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phoenix1

12-03-2007, 01:17 PM

THIS IS A GLOBAL EVENT............
The Story
The Problem
The Plan and
The preperation

http://www.firethegrid.com/eng/eng-home-fr.htm

Cheers for looking

Phoenix1

tru3

12-03-2007, 01:43 PM

THIS IS A GLOBAL EVENT............
The Story
The Problem
The Plan and
The preperation

http://www.firethegrid.com/eng/eng-home-fr.htm

Cheers for looking

Phoenix1

thanks for sharing this, phoenix. this resonates for me. it's my personal feeling that the reason churches are built on ley lines and vortex points is to deliberately clog the grid with psychic goo. so, by intending to assist gaia in firing up the grid, we are assisting with "energetic angioplasty" :D

there is a major grid point in subsaharan africa that has a radioactive waste processing plant build right on top of it. there is another major point in alberta, canada, with a rather large antenna of some sort planted smack dab in the middle of it. i have found this is quite common worldwide.

tip o' the crown chakra! :)

p.s. love your sig line! lol

john white

12-03-2007, 01:44 PM

Dowsing Rods and Rainsticks at the ready lads! :)

limelady

12-03-2007, 01:51 PM

tru3

12-03-2007, 04:09 PM

Thanks for this post. I read all about this last year and I cried. I just read it again and I cried again. This story really touched my heart.
I feel this may make another wonderful project for this forum to get involved in. The date for 'firing up the grid' with our love and healing seems very significant to me also - July 17, 2007 at 11:11 Greenwich Mean. Perhaps this is why so many people are being captivated by 11.11? Are they being called to service for our planet on this date.

Again, thanks for the post phoenix1.
I will most certainly be participating in this.

Lime :) (still wiping up the tears!)

thanks for the share, limelady. i plan on participating as well. in the famous words of doc holliday, "i'm your huckleberry." :)

i too have had similar feelings well up when i think of all the suffering stuffed into the earth. i was in sedona, arizona 7-8 years ago. i lot of people were moving into the area, and a lot of development going on. it seemed that the land was in pain, greatly irritated, about being scratched and scraped. i was certainly irritated by it! gaia, according to some, acts as, among other things, a feedback mechanism for our consciousness as a whole. i agree with this.

so take comfort, dear one! :) as we heal our own hearts, we heal our world, and no heart is ever healed alone. it all starts within.

limelady

13-03-2007, 02:09 PM

Thanks for that tru.

So much to bend one's mind round these days. In the past 24 hours I have felt some extremes of emotions. Last night I was sad (and happy) and in tears as I read the 'fire up the grid' post, and today I was in tears of laughter after your 'flagellation' post on the oprah/the secret thread. Took me a while to settle after that one!

Life sure is a rollercoaster ride huh? :)

mynameis

13-03-2007, 03:15 PM

He doesn't say AM or PM wth?

mcmenek1

14-03-2007, 01:43 AM

Hi,

That was a touching story, sounds like a great event to take part in, the time of the event 11:11 I think is really significant, to me 11:11 represents balance and harmony, that’s the state the earth needs to be in before the higher cosmic energies can flood in through the main gateways.

The colour white has a vibrational frequency of 11 and the colour black has a vibration frequency of 11 together these opposites balance each other out to create harmony, that’s why we see black and white squares in freemasonic halls, the freemasons use them to create harmony and balance so they can tap into the higher energies during ritual, while outside of their halls they create unbalance for the rest of us by suppressing the female energies while promoting the male energies, thus cutting us off from the higher cosmic energies, what nice guys eh!!.

This event will help to rebalance the male and female energies and get us reconnected great!!! I’m in.:)

Thanks for the link phoenix1

Hi mynameis,

I would think it’s 11:11am

Love
&
Peace

lookfar

14-03-2007, 01:45 AM

Thanks for sharing phoenix1 :)

It's so very touching, talk about a life changing experience, bless :)

I'm definitely up for participating in this. I think it will be an awesome thing to be involved in. The date & time is certainly meaningful too (17.07.2007, 11.11). Let's all get connected to the grid again to help heal the earth and ourselves!!!!

Loving the music too - great stuff :) Sky sent indeed.

phoenix1

14-03-2007, 02:21 AM

He doesn't say AM or PM wth?

Click on the 24 hour World Clock...times are there on the site click nearer to the day on the am/pm button.;)

Yep the music is coool...skysent indeed....space is the place. Lookfar ditto that

Phoenix1

By the way....Thanks all of the above....and below to come ...who are gonna get into this: cool indeed.:)

phoenix1

14-05-2007, 01:24 PM

tru3

14-05-2007, 02:27 PM

phoenix1

14-05-2007, 03:50 PM

Cheers Tru3 yeah I PMd a brand new member on this stuff, and I'm sure it will get her working it out. Believe me,,, she KNOWS the stuff, with prediction.

I just want to see if anyone can do a DEEP SCAN on the dates, and what they think this means to them. I have it from (someone here) that there maybe way way more to come attatched too this on September 18th 2007.

That date and fire the Grid date, the date in this box is gana be a MASSIVE one maybe... still we'll wait to see how the both dates are connected. I woll mean change in a BIG wayfrom what i understand , though the "New" ols hand forum member will maybe post on this thread aboir it, i'll let it ride with her as and when he picks it up, she came here to see me, and if she feels she can find a slot in here she will share an awfull lot of stuff.

Bit the person to whom i'm talking of is way deep in other arenas too.

OK nice one pepes.

All the Love

Pnoenix

lightbeing

14-05-2007, 04:32 PM

Thanks for that Phoenix, a very touching & moving site, obviously anything to do with light beings has my attention fully:) It's reminded me of a mediation I did a few months back, I saw the earth covered in a gold coloured grid pattern with golden orbs around it................................:)

avatar

14-05-2007, 04:53 PM

ho1ogram

14-05-2007, 06:40 PM

I agree with avatar.

lookfar

14-05-2007, 06:47 PM

Shit guys!! I was wondering about this from the start with the numerology etc, but thought as it was only attached to the earth (& not some guru etc) & doing something positive, it was ok... I suppose anything that creates that much energy is gonna be used for another purpose eh :(

OMFG I'm back to the drawing board on this one... I do still like the music though... it's very calming, LOL!!

Please someone tell me how we can all do something positive that won't have any negative effects???? I thought this event was gonna be a biggy in a good way, not in a bad one!!

avatar

14-05-2007, 06:53 PM

Please someone tell me how we can all do something positive that won't have any negative effects????

We don't need special days, we can be positive and loving every day ;)

lookfar

14-05-2007, 06:56 PM

We don't need special days, we should be positive and loving every day ;)

Very true, thanks Avatar... sort of just came to that conclusion too after my rant there :) I'm gonna connect with the earth grid myself, totally alone & in my own way... lots better I reckon & they won't be able to steal my energy!!! :) :p

phoenix1

14-05-2007, 07:36 PM

avatar

14-05-2007, 08:16 PM

Also people here are seeing solar connectivity as negative, as they see Luna connectivity as negative.

some here scream fuck its balck mackic !!!

I'm not quite sure where you're coming from or what it is you are defending here but I don't see duality as the issue.

Just because I point out that there is more to this than meets the eye doesn't mean I am "painting it black".

They say firing the grid will accomplish two things. First, it will pulse healing energy into the center of the earth and regenerate the core, or the heart of the planet. Just as we poured our energy into my dying son, we will individually give the gift of our true intention, the gift of our individuality and the gift of our healing energy. As they explained, my son’s energy field was badly deteriorated, as is the Earths. We must pour some of our living energy into the Earth, and the accumulation of our combined energy will regenerate the Earth. They told me humans are like little lightening rods, channelling God's energy to the planet. Because we have separated ourselves from our complete connection to The Source, by not having a fully functioning human grid, God's energy has not been able to easily flow into the Earth

Its a nice story but "our combined energy" will be used for something else and by participating you will be giving your permission.

i am all i am

14-05-2007, 08:20 PM

OK i'm asking IAAIA and any one elst that sees significance in the dates up there to add what they see, and feel on them and also on the date below.

IAAIA Mate, i know you posted it on one thread, I just cant remember what it was, it was about infinite loce ans the date there dude I think.

All the Love

Pnoenix

"September 18th 2007."

18/9/2007 - 27 - 9.

Nine is the threefold number, the number representing idealism, responsibility and ambition.

17/7/2007 - 24 = 6.......6 is the creative number. Add 11:11 = 4.....6 + 4 = 10......one creator.......first impression....4 and 6...practical creation.

Unity of Creation.

So.....11:11, 17/7/2007....five 1's......five representing unconditional love....so, love is one or oneness....two 7's.....7 representing the temple - two 7's being male and female......one 2......choice.......two 0's.......two creators - microcos and macrocosm........one 7........the temple..........THE UNCONDITIONAL LOVE OF THE ONENESS WITHIN THE MALE AND FEMALE CHOOSING TO BE CREATORS WITHIN THE PHYSICAL.

"Reading" these numbers and thinking that this is somehow pre-determining the events of the day is a misconception. The numbers have inherent qualities that that are reflected within our choices. For example, the 6 is the creative number. When lived positively, very creative, when lived negatively, very destructive. To be "lived" is to be expressed, and we express from mind, soul, body through thought, word, action. So, .....

THOUGHT / WORD / ACTION

Creates The Choice Of.....

LIES <----- 6 ---> TRUTH

FEAR <--- 6 ---> LOVE

PAIN <--- 6 ---> JOY

Whether You Express
Negative, Destructive, or, Poitive, Creative

Reading this part from the site below.....well, it's humanity that is on the edge of extinction. This planet has been here for 500, 000, 000 years and will continue to exist without our help. This does not in any way imply that the event is a negative thing. You connecting to the earth and sending love is a beatiful gift of great benefit, but it is not necessary to restrict it to one 'special' day to make it appear so important. Earth energy, or Chi/Qi/Ki, is an opportunity for you to connect with every moment, not merely one hour.

Another point from this quote is, "our direct communication with The Source more difficult".....bulshit.....we are "The Source".

Personally, this event is something that I have been doing for eight years now. This is something that is of benefit for whomever connects with the earth. It is not something that I will be restricting to only one hour.

Human beings chose many thousands of years ago to disconnect themselves from a collective grid, so that they could have free will. This severance has allowed us to make our own decisions and be independent. But it has also allowed us to make many mistakes which have adversely affected this planet. And it has made our direct communication with The Source more difficult. We are now at a turning point when our disconnection could mean the end of the earth as it now exists.

This event does not define WHO I AM. The thoughts, words and actions that I choose merely create an outline, even they do not fully define WHO I AM.

WHO I AM is INFINITE

http://www.firethegrid.com/eng/index-eng/fire-sl.jpg

http://www.firethegrid.com/eng/index-eng/prob-sl_f2.jpg _ http://www.firethegrid.com/eng/index-eng/stor-sl_f2.jpg _ http://www.firethegrid.com/eng/index-eng/plan-sl_f2.jpg

P - R - S

THE UNCONDITIONAL LOVE OF THE ONENESS WITHIN THE MALE AND FEMALE CHOOSING TO BE CREATORS WITHIN THE PHYSICAL.

So, does is this "reading" really mean anything ???......yes, this opportunity is available to you every moment.

Maybe it is something that we can have a thread for, to express the ways in which we have given to the earth each day, where we combine with gratitude for the earth and share ideas and experiences.

With LOVE. http://www.lifeshore.com/smiley/data/media/3/3D_emoticon_S36.gif

tru3

14-05-2007, 09:05 PM

Ritual is ritual whether its used for good intent or bad, it is still ritual. Dates are also significant in ritual. It's how you empower the ritual and the timing with the intent.

People are dogmatically controlled to see ANY ritual as negative. Empowerment of ritual has been since man could embue and instill power into ritual and symbol.

Many minds are still seeing symbol in this way too. As ALL negative.

Also people here are seeing solar connectivity as negative, as they see Luna connectivity as negative.

So in a past time we have all just been negative have we, has anyone hare REALLY studied Symbol.??

It took RA Swhwaller de Lubictz many years just to work out what a Heiroglyph actually was and meant. A Sybmol for instance is in higher D than 3D. And also its dealing with the cerebral at 2 levels.

To quote De Lubictz :

Ther is in Man a cerebral intelligenge and also an innate intelligence called intelligence of the heart. The latter comes into bieng through a fusion of the cosmic Cause which is contained in its materialization with the same Cause which is within us. This is possible because the nature of BOTH causes are identical.

Im not going to into it more, as I would be demonized for revealing REAL TRUTH from De Lubictz work.

If you need to SEE then get a copy of ESOTERISM AND SYMBOL by Him

Symbol ans numbers ans ritual and Majick have been with us from the off. And before we were here too.

Thats all I have to say on Symbol... some here scream fuck its balck mackic !!! Well magjick is two sides of one coin.

i agree phoenix. there are a few things i would never post publicly on this forum, because they're just too weird for most.

if you think it's all bullshit, fine. thanks for sharing your opinion; now lead, follow, or get the hell out of the way.

personally, av, your opinion and two-fifty might get me a latte at starbucks. same with my opinion and your morning swill.

i happen to be passionate about this project, and have been involved in gridwork for some years. if at any point i thought for one instant this was harmful, i would cease and desist immediately. i didn't think the rosie experiment was such a hot idea, but you didn't see me going around bashing it, either.

how about this testimonial from our founding skeptic, father ted?

It rained in adelaide on the 23rd as well, here in the dryest state in the dryest continent on earth. It doesn't often rain in adelaide at all, and I think this might have had something to do with it since there's a few guys from adelaide on this forum. I can't be bothered to read through the 36 pages on this thread so are there gonna be any more? How well did it go in wagga? Is there gonna be room for requests? It can be done, especially if it's on different dates.

whatever. judge by results.

personally, i think it's HI-larious that we are supposed to be freethinkers here, yet we continue to judge one another's pet theories. and that's all any of this is: theories, until the results show up. we're five blind men touching an elephant, imo.

The way to become human is to learn to recognize the lineaments of God in all of the wonderful modulations of the face of man.

With this we come to the final hint of what the specific orientation of the modern hero-task must be, and discover the real cause for the disintegration of all of our inherited religious formulae. The center of gravity, ie., of the realm of mystery and danger has definitely shifted. For the primitive hunting peoples of those remotest human millenniums when the sabertooth tiger, the mammoth, and the lesser presences of the animal kingdom were the primary manifestations of what was alien -- the source at once of danger, and of sustenance -- the great human problem was to become linked psychologically to the task of sharing the wilderness with these beings. An unconscious identification took place, and this was finally rendered conscious in the half-human, half-animal, figures of the mythological totem-ancestors...

...Not the animal world, nor the plant world, not the miracle of the spheres, but man himself is now the crucial mystery. Man is that alien presence with whom the forces of egoism must come to terms, through whom the ego is to be crucified and resurrected, and in whose image society is to be reformed. Man, understood however not as "I" but as "Thou": for the ideals and temporal institutions of no tribe, race, continent, social class, or century, can be the measure of the inexhaustible and multifariously wonderful divine existence that is the life in all of us.

The modern hero, the modern individual who dares to heed the call and seek the mansion of that presence with whom it is our whole destiny to be atoned, cannot, indeed must not, wait for his community [OR HIS FORUM] to cast off its slough of pride, fear, rationalized avarice, and sanctified misunderstanding. "Live," Nietzsche says, "as though the day were here." It is not society that is to guide and save the creative hero, but precisely the reverse. And so, every one of us shares the supreme ordeal -- carries the cross of the redeemer -- not in the bright moments of his tribe's great victories, but in the silences of his personal despair.

-joseph campbell, hero with a thousand faces.
http://mythsdreamssymbols.com/metaphorandtranscendence.html

cleft_asunder

14-05-2007, 11:47 PM

phoenix1

15-05-2007, 12:58 AM

Hmm very interesting comments, TY IAAIA cool crunching. I gotta say the global warming issue looks suspect. However keeping the Earthgrid alive is a good thing, and those who dont see that, well I guess you have a barrier in place.

I conect to the innate daily like IAAIA and go direct to the ALL THAT IS.

In times of crises, I ask for the "Tools" I need and I get them, If I have reached high enough for them.

I need to look at it in more detail, (btw everone thanks for your posts) Tru3 Im glad you are into this, its cool with me.. why you say lead or follow or get the fuck out the way I can only guess at.

Any way I have my work cut out, and I'm doing what I do best throw stuff up for people to see.

I'm still waiting for one person to post here, as this peson has keys most of us here know knothing of... at all

Well I'll let it ride, lots of other stuff i'm involved in so I'll check it out later.

I just said This Is A Global Event. And one thing I do know working in unity adds ADDS MASSIVE POWER,,,, ASK John Dee Elizardberth the 1sts Scorcerer.

He worked with others in Europe to cut a deal with The Macros. Higher D, he need to do this to connect to them.

The price though was blood and death.

More discernment needed maybe, but allways the Grid must be in maintainance and constance.

Phoenix

lookfar

15-05-2007, 01:14 AM

Hey Phoenix honey :)

I have been really looking forward to this event, but I've now come to the conclusion that we should all be doing this on a regular basis, not just on a specific date at a specific time for only one hour. I'm still learning about how the PTB harness & use our energy and even though we'd be doing this with good intent, I reckon the massive amount of energy that would be created at that specific (symbolic) time would be used for other means. At least if lots of us are doing this regularly, it'd be doing good all round & not freely giving them the energy they so desire at their designated time.

Maybe it is something that we can have a thread for, to express the ways in which we have given to the earth each day, where we combine with gratitude for the earth and share ideas and experiences.

I reckon that's a brilliant idea IAAIA, that'd be something really positive & rewarding, great stuff!!:) :D

I'm also looking forward to your friend posting... reckon we're all in for some great learning there, nice one:) Keep shining those lights for us A:) :cool:

Much love

mcmenek1

15-05-2007, 02:20 AM

Oh goody another channeled non-event to harvest the energies of all those gullible enough to participate. Really I must come across as rather negative and disparaging quite often at this particular forum but the naivety of many here is quite amazing. I'm all for the love vibe, really I am check out my blog if you don't believe me, but the willingness of many to jump on this just because its all lovey is quite scary.

There has been a planned new age energy event for this date since at least last year to follow on exactly 9 months to the day of the Cosmic Trigger Event of 2006 - http://educate-yourself.org/ww/oct2006cosmictriggerevent25sep06.shtml

which was another energy stealing sham that disappointed many who were believing everything they were being told about that date.

Hi avatar,

O.K. lets take a look at what this event is really going to involve:

This is the plan which will allow us to more fully connect to the earth grid and begin the healing of this planet. Together we will reset Mother Earth with a bio-electric "SURGE OF LOVE" from humanity. When we do sit in meditation simultaneously and fire the Grid for one hour, we will unite the globe and connect all the regions of the earth simultaneously. In the process, we will unite our souls in love, peace, harmony and collective cooperation for a better world for our people, today and in the future.

The people taking part in this event will have these Positive thoughts upper most in their minds and therefore will be sending out this Positive energy..........Do you really think "The Powers That Be" want to harvest this sort of Positive energy........I don’t think so!........in fact I would expect “The Powers That Be” to be fearful of such an event and do their best to try and debunk an event like this by trying to label the event with what is now fast becoming a blanket negative term “New Age” this term is fast becoming like the term “Anti Semitic”.......and we all know how that is thrown around to discredit people and events that are a threat to “The Powers That Be”.

9 months, Conception to Birth.

The 11:11 start time should set enough bells ringing.

Without going into endless spiraling numerology this is a 33 date which ties it straight in to a solar ritual.

July 17th? Of the top of my head the establishment murdered at least 2 recent truthsayers on this date - David Kelley and Joe Vialls.

I'm sure a few won't like what I've got to say and accuse me of being negative, etc. all I'm saying is do some research and at least realize what these "cosmic events" are really about before you go jumping in flying the peace and love flag.

You seem to be implying that these Power number vibrations are negative........this is not the case....... numbers are neutral the can be attached to negative events or positive events and as such will effect our subconscious minds accordingly.......as this event is clearly a positive energy event.....(i.e. uniting our souls in love, peace, harmony and collective cooperation for a better world for our people, today and in the future) these number vibrations will have a positive effect on our subconscious minds.

“The Powers That Be” harvest negative energy..........not positive energy......this event is a positive energy event.

Love
&
Peace

neutron flux

15-05-2007, 02:40 AM

So all we have to do is sit and meditate and the world will magically right itself - phew! for a moment I thought we might actually have to DO something!

Do you think Ashtar Command will show up? :rolleyes:

tru3

15-05-2007, 02:43 AM

I need to look at it in more detail, (btw everone thanks for your posts) Tru3 Im glad you are into this, its cool with me.. why you say lead or follow or get the fuck out the way I can only guess at.

let's go back to what i said about the rosie experiment. i didn't agree with the intention of the experiment or the way it was executed (why is not important for our purposes right here).

and, because i TRUST you guys, i didn't make a big stink about it either.

so, i got the hell (not the fuck) out of the way. :)

i apologize for coming on a bit too strong, everyone. i feel like there are some new members out there, and those of us who have been here a while need to lead by example: we can fight like brothers, and brothers do fight amongst themselves, but woe unto the troll who attacks my brother. :)

including you, av. :) sorry.

that being said, i don't agree you either. if they can sabotage positve energy work, why can't we nuetralize negative? what's so special about them?

here's how we are going to subvert the divine order:

They said to listen and feel the music and allow the soul to connect and remember. Then they can do mini frequency elevations. This is how the light beings put it:

Collect a series of wonderful happy moments from your life, for example your most loving kiss, the joyous happiness of eating ice-cream or the sun on your face after a long cold winter. They were very explicit with their details. The smile you have when you see a kindness of a child or the sheer pleasure you feel while washing your hands under warm water with fragranced soap. It went on and on. however the basis of it was that there were thousands of happy uplifting moments in our lives that we miss because we are so busy with the business of being unhappy. They said even those in poverty have moments of tremendous joy if they would choose to feel them. when a lover touches your flesh or when your child smiles. If we as a group of humans would take time out everyday and I don't mean huge amounts of time I mean moments to remember a happy moment then we collectively raise the planets frequency a little every day with little effort. It will also raise the level of the humans who participate. Simply close your eyes and remember a thought or feeling that has given you earthly pleasure then be thankful for it. If you only have a few that is alright because as you practice this little exercise you will find yourself finding more and more to feel happy about.

http://www.firethegrid.com/eng/home-fr-eng.htm

wow. now i've changed my mind. i see only evil here where i once saw empowerment.

are these impulses and energies foolish to you? or weak? delusional?

or scary, perhaps? :confused:

and let me tell you something; if you don't think a 'bounceback' can't be rigged for anyone providing anything else other than specifically and solely this type of energy described above, i am here to tell you it can. and it will.

as an afterthought, while my computer was hung up, i went to mtsar's forum. check it out av, if you haven't, it's cool. let me quote:

skeletoncrew

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Sara wrote:
Alice Bailey's message is frightening to me, and that IS a subjective, visceral response. Above all, I wish to be well informed..."a good scholar is conversant with all of it, and tries to be as objective as possible" is what I needed to hear. Thank you.

i think you answered your own question on this one actually, don't be afraid to trust your instincts and take pride in your own abilities...there IS a reason why you have slogged through the material picking it up and coming back to it again and again...trust that instinct and gain strength through the experience...you do not need michael or anyone else's "answer" or ego reaffirmation to know the correct path...if you are truelly a seeker of knowledge you know that knowledge is knowledge and one should ALWAYS know thy enemy...to look away is to censor, is to weaken the self and the spirit, to ignore the dark guardians that both tell you what is wrong and strengthen you to that conviction... to look is to have the strength to take it ALL in good or bad...

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that is right. when one reads someone's work, one is in a kind of relationship, a personal relationship, with that author. the voice of others does not mean anything, and can just get in the way of that relationship. to really know what an author is about, one has to enter into that relationship and keep it clean of external influences, especially in the beginning. we must endeavor to discover that author for ourselves, without the comments or ideas of others. many writers are important enough to deserve that kind of attention anyway, and particularly those who have had a bad rap from society.

http://www.redicecreations.com/mtsarforum/viewtopic.php?p=1571#1571

if they can do it there, why can't we do it here?

bigus_dickus

15-05-2007, 03:48 AM

why can't people be nice all the time and want to be nice altogether at the same time?

that looks like a tricky and subliminal site. if you take it seriously, then take this seriously too. the "story" would be ok for a tv series and i managed to only read just half of it because i couldn't turn the crappy music off.

too much drama, it makes you cry, if you believe it is true.

ah42

15-05-2007, 04:12 AM

As much as I would like to think this kind of thing will work, I find myself thinking that putting all of our energy into a specific date and time only serves to reinforce the notion in our consciousness that dates and times are real things. They are not, and time is an illusion. 17th of July is now, if you know what I mean. Same with all other dates and times. The reason that we are encouraged by those that wish to control us to use dates and times is to make us think in a defined manner, therefore control our thought patterns. Whether the energy produced goes down the plughole or is converted to a form that can be used by them is of no consequence. A trap is set and, knowing when this outpouring of positive energy is going to be produced is a great way of ensuring that the effort can be diverted and wasted. Thats why they use dates and rituals...dinner time! Random and/or constant expression of love/ healing/ positive intent, whatever you want to call it is surely the best way to go about these things, so the energy cannot be hijacked so easily. Saying that though, there may be some benefit to it. All I am saying is look inside yourself and ask if you feel it is the right thing to do. If so, then go for it.

tru3

15-05-2007, 04:16 AM

why can't people be nice all the time and want to be nice altogether at the same time?

i don't know about 'nice'; if you met me on the street, you might think i was big and scary. i can be a little impatient and irritable, in person. :o

what i'm talking about is respect and support.

that looks like a tricky and subliminal site. if you take it seriously, then take this seriously too. the "story" would be ok for a tv series and i managed to only read just half of it because i couldn't turn the crappy music off.

i think it's pretty well designed, myself. and i don't pay too much attention to 'light beings', either. what i believe in is the living Consciousness of gaia, expressed through its life force. i believe in the power of positive intention. i believe in the energetic power of Bliss, which we are All right now in this very moment.

too much drama, it makes you cry, if you believe it is true.

spoken like a true prodigy.

healing is letting go of the notion of ever having a better or different past.

bigus_dickus

15-05-2007, 04:40 AM

i don't know about 'nice'; if you met me on the street, you might think i was big and scary. i can be a little impatient and irritable, in person. :o

haha, no i don't think so. i would look you straight in the eyes ;)

i think it's pretty well designed, myself. and i don't pay too much attention to 'light beings', either. what i believe in is the living Consciousness of gaia, expressed through its life force. i believe in the power of positive intention. i believe in the energetic power of Bliss, which we are All right now in this very moment.

the living consciousness of people is a subset of the living consciousness of gaia. she contains millions of forms of consciousness, all life that we know of, including us.

this consciousness is expressed through its life force, which is us. even water.. no matter how we shit ourselves concentrating, water is going to be life and it is going to be one. and we, a part of it.

we can't heal gaia. all we have to do is stop hurting her. and ourselves and all the living consciousness on it. gaia is going to die too one day.

healing is letting go of the notion of ever having a better or different past.

you lost me here.. :)

limelady

15-05-2007, 05:12 AM

tru3

15-05-2007, 05:34 AM

haha, no i don't think so. i would look you straight in the eyes

well, like i said, you're a prodigy, b.d. all i meant was i'm, lets see, 177 cm tall and about 130 kg (6'5"/290 lbs.)

the living consciousness of people is a subset of the living consciousness of gaia. she contains millions of forms of consciousness, all life that we know of, including us.

so, are you suggesting that she is merely the sum of her parts? i don't think so. i don't think we are either, b.d.

and if you believe in some version of evolution, do you believe that gaia evolves as well?

is she a fixed system, like a machine, or is she a garden, that grows and deepens in the richness of diversity?

we can't heal gaia. all we have to do is stop hurting her. and ourselves and all the living consciousness on it.

i agree. we have to learn to absorb our own toxins instead of dumping them into her, or rather reign them back into the acceptable rate of absorption.

people have been dumping their toxic energy into the earth for centuries. why do you think cathedrals and ancient 'neolithic' sites are built on grid points? for the resale value? ;)

you lost me here..

you said "too much drama, it makes you cry, if you believe it is true."

the drama is as real as the water. or unreal.

i say i have given up the hope of explaining away the tears.

acceptance of what is liberates one from worrying about truth or illusion.

without acceptance, one struggles against what is not, which is really silly, isn't it?

the tears, the anger, the joy, all of it, a whisper on the wind. i don't avoid it anymore, nor do i go looking for it.

tru3

15-05-2007, 05:57 AM

We better be darn careful what we 'fire up the grid' with. Do we even understand REAL love....the kind that bi-passes the digital program?

The only love most will ever experience here is chemical induced virtual love the program has provided, and its just energy like all else in this false reality. I do believe the matrix can use ALL energy, so we may only be feeding it something it can utilise for its own purpose.

IMO the grid is part of the solution, but what we may need to fire into it is something that changes the programming rather than something that feeds the programming.

There is a key to find here, and our beliefs have prevented us from finding it......yet!

See my other post here (http://www.davidicke.com/forum/showpost.php?p=43766&postcount=28)

outstanding, limelady. great minds think alike; i believe i said something to the same effect during 'wagga wagga time'. :)

you left one movie off your list; "the island".

imv, the god program would have liked to create big ol' batteries, with no sentience at all.

unfortunately for 'das ich', i don't believe it can. it has to use Consciousness to create, because that's all there is.

so, inevitably, the architect can never balance the equation. sorry to mix my movie metaphors, but there you have it. ;-)

all we simply have to do is dis-identify with any type of experience altogether, and rest as Being. dis-engage from the old games, the old dramas, the old contracts, the old hooks and triggers, and watch the fun really start.

how? ime, it's called own it, then let it go. no more guilt, no more shame, no more blame.

and if you choose to strike, strike not in anger, but in clarity and fearlessness.

[Lt. Speirs explains to Pvt. Blithe how to cope with fear]
Ronald Speirs: We're all scared. You hid in that ditch because you think there's still hope. But Blithe, the only hope you have is to accept the fact that you're already dead.- Band of Brothers

sounds crazy? like i'm out of my mind? you bet! lol

enough of us do this, and watch baron rothschild, the black pope and henry kissinger all start to shit gold bricks.

i believe that fire the grid is an opportunity to quicken that ultimate recognition.

i am not participating in 'fire the grid' because of the result, i am participating in fire the grid to demonstrate what i believe. i have no frikkin clue what's going to happen, to be honest, but i didn't just fall off the turnip truck, either. i have an understanding of the preparation and precautions necessary to facilitate a positive outcome for the highest good of all concerned.

limelady

15-05-2007, 06:13 AM

tru said....
you left one movie off your list; "the island".

Rectified!

Thankyou for your response ;)

tru3

15-05-2007, 07:02 AM

tru said....

Rectified!

Thankyou for your response ;)

luv ya, girl! :)

hope you join us; we could use some feminine wisdom, lest this result again...:D

http://www.delta.dfg.ca.gov/gallery/bighorn.jpg

bigus_dickus

15-05-2007, 07:27 AM

well, like i said, you're a prodigy, b.d. all i meant was i'm, lets see, 177 cm tall and about 130 kg (6'5"/290 lbs.)

lets say add 30 more kgs at least and you are describing my best friend. lol

he used to be a bodybuilder, but then had serious health problems and put on a lot of weight. he now outruns every machine in the gym.

so, are you suggesting that she is merely the sum of her parts? i don't think so. i don't think we are either, b.d.

and if you believe in some version of evolution, do you believe that gaia evolves as well?

is she a fixed system, like a machine, or is she a garden, that grows and deepens in the richness of diversity?

evidence is that she grows. that's why i said that she will die too. even the sun will die. i said "she" because we imagine her as a 'mother' in our myths, also a virgin and we imagine the sun, the "male", as our father.

you think this is so?

i agree. we have to learn to absorb our own toxins instead of dumping them into her, or rather reign them back into the acceptable rate of absorption.

people have been dumping their toxic energy into the earth for centuries. why do you think cathedrals and ancient 'neolithic' sites are built on grid points? for the resale value? ;)

well, she has always been taking our shit, but she always recycled it properly, maybe she does the same again.

our dump, that affects earth, affect us too directly. if we leave it up to earth to do something about our shit, we are going to make more shit to have to deal with and to nag about to her.

who knows what happens if we unbalance the grid and set motion to a cleansing? i am making this up of course, but this is by the terms of those guys anyway.

you said "too much drama, it makes you cry, if you believe it is true."

the drama is as real as the water. or unreal.

i say i have given up the hope of explaining away the tears.

acceptance of what is liberates one from worrying about truth or illusion.

without acceptance, one struggles against what is not, which is really silly, isn't it?

the tears, the anger, the joy, all of it, a whisper on the wind. i don't avoid it anymore, nor do i go looking for it.

well, i didn't mean it like that..

i mean that, if that thing had happened to me and i wanted to describe it and after all this thing turned out well and i now know that i have friendly ET beings on my side... would i describe it so dramatically to "capture" the "reptilians" in you ;).. the "resonance" that you personally have with your own personal attachments? accompanied with "divine" music (ET music probably) designed to break my heart into pieces while reading it.

sorry pal, i am not falling in your psycho trap there.

phoenix1

15-05-2007, 03:12 PM

I give up with most of you, you either get it or you do not.

And whoever said Ashtar command, ffsake, i'm in well deeper than that. And i'm getting info out to the worls unlike most of you lot. I dont have time to piss about with bullshit. Or for anyone who sees nothing.

avatar

15-05-2007, 03:13 PM

You seem to be implying that these Power number vibrations are negative........this is not the case....... numbers are neutral the can be attached to negative events or positive events and as such will effect our subconscious minds accordingly.......as this event is clearly a positive energy event.....(i.e. uniting our souls in love, peace, harmony and collective cooperation for a better world for our people, today and in the future) these number vibrations will have a positive effect on our subconscious minds.

“The Powers That Be” harvest negative energy..........not positive energy......this event is a positive energy event.

No, I don't believe the numbers to be "negative" and nor am I implying so.

TPTB have nothing to do with this IMO.

Energy is energy, the orientation of the energy isn't always relevant, if you think high positive love frequency vibe/energy is incorruptible and pure then thats your choice.

personally, av, your opinion and two-fifty might get me a latte at starbucks. same with my opinion and your morning swill.

I didn't expect anyone to agree with me at all but I also didn't expect to get attacked for my statement. I have experienced the darker side of the New Age movement and came out half-dead but I guess it was naive of me to expect anyone to take me seriously. At least I tried and can leave with rested conscience.

I happen to be passionate about this project, and have been involved in gridwork for some years.

I hope it works out for you.

I might as well make this my final post on this forum. I didn't come here to learn, I came here to help but it keeps getting thrown back in my face so I guess I'm wasting my time and energy. So back to http://forum.noblerealms.org/ it is.

Thanks to the friends I've made here.. don't forget the ORGONITE ;)

bigus_dickus

15-05-2007, 03:32 PM

JUST SAY NO TO DRUGS… AND INTERNET PREACHERS OF DOOM

This was one of the clearest dreams I've ever had about the "Internet Messiah" phenomenon — including tracing it back to its roots, where it originates in a person who has allowed themselves to dwell in toxic thoughtforms, and possibly in some form of chemical dependency. Since they are destroying their OWN lives with these maladaptive behaviors, it is easy to generalize this into the entire world — and conclude that we are 'doomed'.

Their subconscious mind is well aware that they are damaging themselves, at least in their physical incarnation, if they keep on indulging in these toxic behaviors… after all, chemical dependency is a slow form of suicide. Then, rather than give up those thoughtforms, they project this whole drama out into the world, and conclude that we're doomed. This game they play is an addiction, and they prefer the highs of these big emotional peaks and valleys to the far greater happiness of a balanced, peaceful, confident life with a positive attitude.

In an attempt to heal themselves WITHOUT ever addressing the core issues, they then take on the role of a "savior figure" for others. However, all they're really doing is perpetuating the problem, and putting themselves in a position of authority where they can spread fear, as a chemical addiction that is very real, and profit from it… just like bootleggers profited from selling alcohol during Prohibition.

IF YOU WANT TO HELP THE PLANET, LOSE THE FEAR

Now, as I explain in The Science of Peace, we have the PROOF of how intensely our own thoughtforms affect the planet. We get stuck in this insane loop of fear, and become addicted to the morphine response that kicks in when we move through a big surge of panic. This is actually leading to the creation of those very same thoughtforms that INSURE that we will continue to have Earth Changes, war, terrorism and economic problems.

People who profit from inciting fear — even if they believe they are "resisting the Illuminati" and "fighting for truth" — are actually perpetuating the problem. Thus you see what an epidemic we have, not only in the mainstream media but in the alternative media as well.

Let's now take a bit of a detour and recap some material about how this "tension-resolution cycle" occurs in relationships — a different but equally toxic form of what this dream is discussing.

THE VICTIM / PERPETRATOR GAME

In our relationships with others, particularly the romantic ones, we often end up creating drama out of nothing, threatening the safety of the whole relationship, causing a huge flare-up of stress hormones, and then having "make-up sex" once the morphine response kicks in — at least in the earlier stages. In later stages the intimacy collapses completely, thanks to the cumulative weight of hurt that has built up.

If you are in a relationship like this, then you've probably played both roles. You've been the perpetrator and you've been the victim. If you are not honest enough with yourself in what you're about to read, you'll probably only see yourself in one of these two roles.

THE PERPETRATOR

As the perpetrator, you take your own fear and anxiety and project it onto your partner. In truth, you are shattered and broken inside. Your self-esteem is very fragile at best — and you bristle at the slightest sign of an insult. Since you feel very little control over your own life, and over your own ability to feel any happiness, you begin seeking to control others, so you don't feel completely lost.

You haven't seen your own core issue for what it is — i.e. something triggered you into feeling abandoned, alone and threatened — so suddenly you find yourself feeling great anger and rage towards your partner for some minor little thing they 'did', which you take as a personal attack. Before long you explode, and you are clever enough that they end up having to apologize to you and trying to make you feel better.

This creates the "tension-resolution cycle" I have been speaking of, which concludes with your 'reward' — the morphine response. This is why I say that codependency is an addiction that is every bit as dangerous as any other type of drug use. You never can wait the three days for your body to fully heal from the stress hormones you created — and in order to not feel totally 'dead' inside, you create another drama to get more adrenaline and more morphine response. Otherwise you literally feel as if you are "dying" and the abyss is far too threatening to face.

Since you never really deal with your core issue — this deep, dark depression that emanates from a profound lack of self-worth — your high from attacking your partner only lasts a short time. The faceless anxiety returns, and you never take enough time to go into the fear and discover its true source. So, you again attack your partner over minor things they did, which you take as personal attacks.

In your mind it is so easy to blame them, almost entirely, for how you are feeling that it is truly a marvelous breakthrough when you can realize that you have been projecting and they are really not at fault.

THE VICTIM

As the victim, your own brooding anxiety comes in the fact that you KNOW your partner is going to keep lashing out at you. In truth, you are shattered and broken inside. You feel abandoned and alone, as if God has turned his/her back on you. Your partner becomes the projection of that issue.

Your self-esteem is very fragile at best — but in your case you insist you are a "good person" and would never attack others as your partner keeps insisting on doing. You are "taking the high road" by trying to do the right thing, trying to "heal the relationship" by doing what your partner wants, and never really standing up for yourself until AFTER you get attacked.

You expect to earn love from your partner by doing all the things they ask, and are perpetually frustrated when they again blame you for stupid, trivial things you 'did' that are really not your fault. Inside you feel like a child who is constantly trying to do "good," only to again be told that you are "bad" — and you cry and cry, wondering why Mommy/Daddy/God doesn't 'love' you.

[Hint: you have to start by loving yourself, and that may lead to walking away from the other person if they can't heal WITH you… once you start developing healthy boundaries, learn to say no, and take no as an answer, without being offended.]

Thus, ultimately, as the Victim you feel abandoned, alone and threatened — and your partner becomes the source of your sudden panic attacks, releasing your stress hormones, followed by the morphine response. You're just as addicted as the perpetrator — hence the two of you are dependent upon each other, hence "co-dependent" — and the vicious cycle continues.

This is why many women do not feel attracted to a man who treats them with great kindness and respect. It is in the drama… the "what's going to happen next, am I okay, does this person still love me"… that you find your morphine response.

You play the game, "walk on eggshells," try not to set off "landmines", but the game is rigged. No matter how careful you are, you're still going to get 'in trouble' for something you 'did,' which is really not your fault. You already know you can defend yourself, and you really have done nothing wrong, but when your partner explodes at you, it still creates a problem you have to deal with and treat as if it were real.

Again, in the 'victim' role, you have a built-in source of anxiety, which you already KNOW is going to explode unpredictably. You also know you will always end up having to apologize and tell the other person they were right, even if they were not. Only once you do this will they calm down and allow you to have your morphine response. You already know the whole miserable drama will repeat again very shortly.

The longer this has gone on, the more damage there is to work through, and it becomes increasingly likely that when you finally get the point, you will walk away from that person. It is quite rare for both people to grow at the same rate.

LEVELS OF PROGRESS

Spiritually speaking, the "victim" is usually closer to having an open heart than the perpetrator. Oftentimes the victim is a person who feels love deep inside, and is really struggling to love themselves. It is more likely that a reader of this article will play the 'victim' role than the 'perpetrator' role, though we all do both roles.

The key to loving yourself, if you keep playing the victim, is to realize that you have projected yourself into your partner. You are totally attached to your partner — body, mind and spirit — and you struggle to love and forgive them regardless of what new evils they unleash upon you.

In truth, you are far better off withdrawing that projection of yourself from your partner, and realizing that YOU are the one who needs your love and forgiveness.

If you DID love and forgive yourself, then you would ALSO be able to walk away from someone who clearly did NOT love you. Yet, you become addicted to the morphine response they create for you, day after day… and you don't know there is any other way. You have FORGOTTEN that there is another way.

JUST SAY NO… TO THE INTERNET MESSIAH

Thanks to my unique position as a public figure, I have had many people come to me and confide in me about the horrific problems they have endured in trying to get close to any number of well-known channelers, conspiracy writers or other fear-mongering "Internet Messiah" figures.

Time and again we see the same issues emerging — how fractured these 'leaders' are inside themselves. Yet, they get so wrapped up in what they are doing, so consumed in seeking the adulation of their followers, that there often is no way out. Eventually they fall into karmic ruin of one sort or another, their Higher Self having no other choice in terms of how they would be balanced. Their body is damaged, accidentally or through illness, or they experience career and financial ruin, fading into obscurity… or sometimes both categories of damage occur at once.

I often tell my friends and acquaintances that I have enough "dirt" on many public figures out there to start my own tree farm — but I will never air this dirt publicly, in any detail, because each person has to sort this out for themselves. Going on the attack always makes you look worse than if you are the one being attacked, and ultimately there is no need to point these things out. We learn from these oppressors until we eventually are strong enough to walk away from them, and their messages of fear and doom.

http://www.divinecosmos.com/index.php?option=com_content&task=view&id=306&Itemid=70

phoenix1

15-05-2007, 03:35 PM

ho1ogram

15-05-2007, 03:50 PM

I didn't expect anyone to agree with me at all but I also didn't expect to get attacked for my statement.
I didn't expect such a strong reaction to your post either. I reckon people invest a lot of time and energy into events and beliefs, thereby identifing themselves with the event or belief. Then if someone disagrees they take it personally.

Any ritual or event freezes a part of the time-space continuum, thus placing limits on that which is infinite. This is how the matrix works and is held together imo. Of course, because this is all a virtual reality game, firing the grid won't do any harm but can help to bind a person to the matrix if taken too seriously. IMO anyway.

Life is a paradox... deadly serious (babies, war, friendship etc.) but absolute nonsense (it's all a freakin' illusion).

lookfar

15-05-2007, 03:50 PM

Hey Avatar & Phoenix, what's going on here guys?

You can't let other peoples perspectives effect you this way, we're all here for our own reasons & without you guys helping to shed light on all this stuff, we're gonna be left in the dark & I personally don't like that idea :( These are confusing times & we all have to help eachother reach a level of understanding, everyone has their own thing to offer, its all relevant & important.

Please stay & continue the good work you two :)

I won't be forgetting about the orgonite Av, it's a majorly important thing to be into, big time & I'm enjoying learning about it!!:D

ho1ogram

15-05-2007, 04:00 PM

Hang on! avatar and pheonix1 you both had different opinions on the same topic and now your both leaving (well ph1 half leaving) because you both feel you are being attacked?

Who's doing the attacking? The fence sitters? What's going on?

Hey, tru3, you're still hanging around aren't ya?

Or am I missing something... are you guys pissed cos your not understood? That happens to all of us. Some of my best posts imo don't even get responses.

lottie

15-05-2007, 04:15 PM

hey guys- dont be disheartened- its ok if people dont share your perspective or knowledge- they have that right too- the main thing is that you continue as you never know- it may well be relevant and you may be able to help here- i agree and disagree with certain comments but i take it ALL into consideration and do as i please with it- form opinions etc etc.... i feel at the moment- there's so much info out there and different points to be put across that i get lost in it all sometimes- we're even beginningg to argue amongst ourselves- and thats not what we are about is it? there's so much info being distorted and so many view points- positive and negative being thrown around- i dont know where i am anymore- i thought this fire the earth grid was a good thing untill i read the stuff that matthew delooze wrote about festivals and the harvesting of energy- now i feel like we're fu**ed from all angles- we cant be positive and we cant be negative- what do we do? well my advice is stop asking the question and start knowing the answers- its all within us and we all have to trust our higher-selves- our intuition- maybe thats all distorted to? maybe thats not truth- i dont know anymore but all i do know is that i have to stop looking to others for the answers- its ace to share opinions and theories and ideas but im going to concentrate on 'knowing' the answer instead of looking to others for confirmation! All we can do is do our best- with whats left of our manipulated and restricted genetics/brain! Be a good person- do right by everyone- do your best- thats all you can do!! :)

ah42

15-05-2007, 04:18 PM

I might as well make this my final post on this forum. I didn't come here to learn, I came here to help but it keeps getting thrown back in my face so I guess I'm wasting my time and energy. So back to http://forum.noblerealms.org/ it is.

Thanks to the friends I've made here.. don't forget the ORGONITE ;)

I ve just PMd A mod here I feel exactly the same way, ididnt come to learn either. And Iget misconstued every fucking where. Im in the Old school to, before David had written a thing.

OK This may well be my last post too, most of you I just cannot rach , its tome for me to take the show to town. I will only is i post at all, post on the nature of reality thread, of which many here know what they think they know ... especially on Egytian issues up there above.

JUST REMEMBER ONE THING.... The text books and the Internet are lying to you aswell!![/QUOTE]
None of us can profess to know everything, so we all have new things to learn all the time. If we are open minded then we are receptive to new ideas and we can grow and, maybe find answers that completely sweep away previous conceptions in favour of new and more progressive ideas. Thats what life is all about...?
This forum was intended as a means for discussion of ideas. No one should expect that everyone else agree with them. In fact, the argument should clarify your overall understanding of the subjects under discussion, helping us all to make conclusions which better illustrate what is truth and what is not, therefore strengthening the concensus of oppinion and enabling progress toward a real change in attitude among human consciousness.
Please understand that your oppinions and ideas on this forum are valued as much as anybody else's. In fact, they are crucial to helping us all gain a greater understanding.

tru3

15-05-2007, 04:38 PM

i mean that, if that thing had happened to me and i wanted to describe it and after all this thing turned out well and i now know that i have friendly ET beings on my side... would i describe it so dramatically to "capture" the "reptilians" in you ;).. the "resonance" that you personally have with your own personal attachments? accompanied with "divine" music (ET music probably) designed to break my heart into pieces while reading it.

sorry pal, i am not falling in your psycho trap there.

lol. now, it's my turn to be clueless.

i mentioned earlier i don't pay much attention to 'light beings'. my feeling is that any "resonance" is not coming from without, it comes from within. it takes two to tango. no trap, if one doesn't dance.

evidence is that she grows. that's why i said that she will die too. even the sun will die. i said "she" because we imagine her as a 'mother' in our myths, also a virgin and we imagine the sun, the "male", as our father.

for me, the goddess is my lover, not my mother.

I might as well make this my final post on this forum. I didn't come here to learn, I came here to help but it keeps getting thrown back in my face so I guess I'm wasting my time and energy. So back to http://forum.noblerealms.org/ it is.

Thanks to the friends I've made here.. don't forget the ORGONITE

I ve just PMd A mod here I feel exactly the same way, ididnt come to learn either. And Iget misconstued every fucking where. Im in the Old school to, before David had written a thing.

OK This may well be my last post too, most of you I just cannot rach , its tome for me to take the show to town. I will only is i post at all, post on the nature of reality thread, of which many here know what they think they know ... especially on Egytian issues up there above.

JUST REMEMBER ONE THING.... The text books and the Internet are lying to you aswell!!

oh, c'mon phoenix, stick around. not everyone has to agree with us. i love these guys, including you, not because you're clones, but precisely because we all have the courage to stand up and speak our truth, come what may.

i think it's so interesting when we're sitting in our easy chair with a cup of hot cocoa reading one of david's books, the concept of "we're all infinite love" is pretty easy to grasp.

when we're in the shit, facing the 'other', it begins to get a little slippery, doesn't it? ;) that goes for me, for all of us.

ime, our greatest growth comes in relationship.

but, if you would prefer to take your project to the other forum, i'll poke my head in and see what you're up to.

"be well, john spartan"

bigus_dickus

15-05-2007, 05:20 PM

lol. now, it's my turn to be clueless.

i mentioned earlier i don't pay much attention to 'light beings'. my feeling is that any "resonance" is not coming from without, it comes from within. it takes two to tango. no trap, if one doesn't dance.

yes you are right.. that's what i was talking about. if you have 'felt' for this man about his adventure, is because you have put yourself in his place and experienced his said feelings as instructed by the script. it works in all movies and such, that's why i said that it would "make a nice tv series".

to "resonate" with the article, is simply to have your brain 'oscillate' as compelled by the medium. that's because it does not take a critical approach to the subject, to make you think clearly about it and draw your own conclusions, but strikes right where your most inner feelings (attachments) dwell, the unconscious part of you. combined with images and music, the effect gets reinforced and once you are in it, then you have feelings that you did not intend to experience. it was not your choice to experience that at that moment, everything derives from the text, the visuals and the music, just like in a movie, in which you identify with the character and feel his fear, pain and love. most times, we don't want to be mere observers to movies, we watch movies, because we want to identify with the characters, we want to live the movies, experience the emotions and the change ups, think the thoughts that they think. and then we call it a 'great movie' which is a success.

the difference is, that we don't believe the film. we know that it is all a game and we take part to the game to have us some fun, like we play games on our computers. we don't take anything too seriously, imagine what would happen if we took all movies and all games seriously.

so there you have it, you forcefully get all emotional (and it feels great i must say), then you get face to face with a 'problem', that it is possible that you were not aware of and then comes up the 'perfect solution', the one that would make the most sense after all the emotional roller coaster.

it's a very well known mind control technique and it works miracles.

i am not saying that it is 'bad' or 'good', or that the person who made it is an 'evil' individual whose purpose is to manipulate us. if i judge others, i am judging myself, but i am not a judge and i am not "god".

imagine that if these "light beings" (i wonder... what are we? dark beings?) do exist, they have all the power and capability to do this 'grid lighting' themselves without our help. if they can't, then what kind of loving light beings are they? i don't wanna be told what to do, i have my own choice.

maybe it would be much better to create a day, when we all fart together at the same time. can you imagine the laughter? that would be the best 'healing' experience ever attempted :D

for me, the goddess is my lover, not my mother.

maybe she is both. maybe you are her... which is also the case for your biological parents. they delivered you as part of themselves..

limelady

15-05-2007, 05:50 PM

ho1ogram

15-05-2007, 06:09 PM

maybe it would be much better to create a day, when we all fart together at the same time. can you imagine the laughter? that would be the best 'healing' experience ever attempted
I'm in b d, pm me with the day and time! :D

avatar

15-05-2007, 06:26 PM

ididnt come to learn either. And Iget misconstued every fucking where. Im in the Old school to, before David had written a thing.

Same boat here. Years of research can take its toll sometimes and we tend to become slightly arrogant. So we both didn't come here to learn? Maybe we should change that. No reason why we can't come to a better understanding of these type of events. I'm interested in what your friend has to say.

This forum was intended as a means for discussion of ideas. No one should expect that everyone else agree with them. In fact, the argument should clarify your overall understanding of the subjects under discussion, helping us all to make conclusions which better illustrate what is truth and what is not

Lets be honest we are all heading for the same finish line so whats the point of tripping each other up half way?

I didn't expect such a strong reaction to your post either. I reckon people invest a lot of time and energy into events and beliefs, thereby identifing themselves with the event or belief. Then if someone disagrees they take it personally.

Any ritual or event freezes a part of the time-space continuum, thus placing limits on that which is infinite. This is how the matrix works and is held together imo. Of course, because this is all a virtual reality game, firing the grid won't do any harm but can help to bind a person to the matrix if taken too seriously. IMO anyway

Ritual is a loaded word. We are Humans, The Royal Species for the Collier fans, ritual is unnecesarry for us as a species because we have a direct connection to the creator, they don't. Its below us. We don't need it, it adds heaviness to the matrix re-inforcing it like you said

My original point, just to be clear, was not intended to paint either black or white but these cosmic events are rarely what they seem and this is not widely discussed.

i thought this fire the earth grid was a good thing untill i read the stuff that matthew delooze wrote about festivals and the harvesting of energy- now i feel like we're fu**ed from all angles

I'm aware of Delooze but haven't gone over much of his stuff yet but he seems to be aware to some degree

Please try to grasp that the Serpent Cult (Reptilian forces) have been covertly ruling over us for thousands of years. They knew long ago that they would require the use of massive amounts of spiritual energies at certain times and in certain locations around the world in the future.
I now know that The Serpent requires the masses to give it ‘spiritual permission’ for it to control both the spiritual and the physical future of the human race. They do not need our five sense permission to rule over us but they go to great lengths to receive ‘spiritual’ permission from us. They know that we would not ‘willingly’ give our permission to them to spiritually rule over us.
They have to deceive us in to giving it, and they do just that, through deceiving us into feeling ‘positive emotions’ for their ‘agents’, or in the case of music festivals the crowd’ is deceived into giving away spiritual energy simply by giving emotional respect to the ‘celebrity bands’ or ‘singers’, their heroes if you like, performing at the festivals.
The bands act as a medium so we give respect through proxy, if you like.
Obviously this subject goes very deep and it is not easy to explain it all in one article.

Deep indeed.

Don't despair lottie we are connected to the creator internally and externally, we are part of his mind, we only have to stop a moment and say "Hello". Ask and it shall be given.

my feeling is that any "resonance" is not coming from without, it comes from within

are you guys pissed cos your not understood?

Maybe a wee bit tired and jaded. I've been considering a break from the Internet recently. All research and no play :(

phoenix1

15-05-2007, 06:43 PM

OK I miss quoted I got the qouoting wron when quoting Av OK Av.... I cant say who this poster is this is stuff I have OK so far... from this poster, I'll be honest, and tell you this, Astologically I'm goung through a thing called the Uranus Opposition--Since I have Sun AND Moon in Aquarius the Opposition has been tough on me and if ya all will let me post thes PMs one under the other you will see why ok,
-------------------------------Phoenix1,

++++++told me that you were here, so I became a member, mainly to just say hi again. I've thought of you many times since the last time we talked at The Forum, and I've hoped you were doing well.

The Energies (the ongoing Ascension process I mean) have been intense and it all just keeps getting more so with fewer days/weeks inbetween to adjust and recover! I have good days with lots of hard or painful days but honestly I don't think that going to change for me for a bit. Life as a Lightworker......

How's you Mum doing? Have you been good to yourself during your Uranus Opposition Initiations? I sure hope you're through the worst of it by now.

I may post a bit here but not like I used to at TF. I'll see how kind or unkind it is here and go from there!

I'm sooooo glad to be talking with you again. Big Hugs my old friend and talk again soon.

phoenix1

15-05-2007, 06:52 PM

WOW **** I sure am honoure to hace you cantact me WOW oh boy have I missed talking too you, Yeah ******* Spotted me here after the ols place went down the pan. WOW...We grew much in the wisdom there.

Allways you are in me and my mums focusses energy, and the connection to the innate is stronger by the day. I'm sure gad you have come to say hello, I had no idea I'd even get to speak with you again boy am I glad. Its funny yeah, Uranus was not cool with me I became alcohol addicted in the process, ended up in re-hab but remembered what you said. THE CRUCIAL PART WAS to see it as aTEST thet the Lesson of the Alcahol entity and addiction entity, was presenting me a test... for me to recognise and pass.

That test was confoundes by the inability to maintain the flow, and it hindered and distracted me massivly, but I took on the challenge,when I was lucid enough through prayer to the ALL ONE, and the wise words of Thoth in my mind, and yours too.

Well right there...was the test, I had run into a dam, my fluidity was hindered by it. So i consulted the entity and asked it what it wanted with me ? Mentally I was seeing this demon/teacher as real thing, which it is. In another plane to test me in this dimension. SO I consulted the ALL to ask for the tools ans the pople I needed to face it direct and do battle, in a psycic war.

Well I failed a test of his before, ans its because I didn't realise he was even presenting the test to me.

This time I did , and the ALL gace me what I asked for, and I thanked and kept connected, I then booked into a rehab, and rode the storm out in there, with much solirtary contemplation.

I have not touched a drop of his wares since 7 months ecaxty this monday. Firstly I worked in "hours" the "days" then "weeks" the months and I am on my way now to a concept I will call my second soulday here in this flesh.An earthbound year where I will have beaten him. He was a tough tutor, missleading, and manipulative. But thankfully he is now confined and quarantined (I now consider the entity as ally, a tutor in the game who was very strict with people who were not seeing through his myst)

SO i have him mentally consigned to lessons ive learned and teachers I have learned from, I even thanked the Alcohol for revealing itself aster the myst had cleared. Its has afforged me right off passage... to move on ahead in a fresh wind. SO I thank THE ALL ONE, and the teachers an people I needed to maintain the flow. Seeing how it works now ****, contacted me outta the blue, I asked her to pass you my main addy. And i thank you deepy.

Also out of this came direction too,never really knew what it was I was here for. I know that now, and my puspose is to shine lights in dark places, also I am a mental gardner, and a sewer of seeds, Its funny I have allways loved the garden . The one in my head is the Big Tree.. around which the clouds pass by swiftly, yet the tree loses no leaves. It is always in constance , and in the flower of life patterns when viewed from above.

The Flower Of Life is the most awsome thing, simply it is the desighn blueprint.

I see where you are coming from with lightworking , I ask every night If my light spirit body can assist in any way to any one for good intent , then to ley me go, it results in tiredness , but sometimes I wake and think, that thats exactly what has been happening.
I wish you the stegth with all my essence******, you work great intent, with the positive.

I'm seeing a rough ride but a good outcome. The original wisdom is with I feel still in the good hands, still they hold the keys to the mysteries of the hidden places

After Altantis, to you remember The Panthers ? Pantheras, The original Pristhood in Egypt ??

****** there is a book you may want to read its very good... it called The Secret In The Bible, and deals witn a fourth Black Pyramid at Gizeh, which is visile forom the air, trashed and now the stones are in a palace somewhere in Cairo

Book is here , loads of drawings of the undergroung temples at Giza taken from Masonic and Rossicrissian
maps
http://www.amazon.com/Secret-Bible-H...8968994&sr=8-1

Yes******some Law is immutable, and you are a lightworker proper. You are here to shine lights.

Honey i'm soo sooooo gald that out paths have criss crossed once again. And I feel,this will be an ongong thing. I sure hope so.

ALL THE LOVE *********

email again
******************

Id love yours, if you give it me. best to poat it here as will miss it in spam.

Anyway you have made my compere year!!! Know it.

Massive Gigantic Hugs from my and my Ma ans BIG squeezes and definement.

OH yake a look at this too see what you think 65 days to go to fire the earth grid honey

http://www.firethegrid.com/

lottie

15-05-2007, 06:56 PM

cheers avatar, im still despairing though- it seems as though we are going through a stage now (possibly its the PTB that are on a new crusade to confuse the conspiracy theorists now they realise we are a threat??) where we are receiving information that relates to what we are studying/researching and no-one seems to know whether its a hoax anymore or if its credible- everyone and everything has become suspicious- i know you cant believe everything you read but i have been disappointed with the likes of james casbolt and other things that have swayed towards being disinfo etc, i mean i take everything into consideration- i cant tell you if ufo's are real- ive never seen one for myself but im open minded enough to accept the possibility, and the evidence seems to be pointing in the favour of believable when you consider the maniplation we have been subjected to- but then thats another subject- a lot of people are open to the idea of reptiles manipulating our race on this forum but then the majority will mock those who present information about 'good aliens' here to help us, because they believe it to be disinfo- which is fair enough and may well be disinfo or just a story made up but im so confused, how can we ever prove any of this? i cant say the moon is real- all i have to go by is what ive been conditioned to believe and what NASA have told us, but ive never been there so i can never really truly prove its real or its there, do you get me? Seems with all this truthseeking- we've become almost paranoid (with the greatest respect) and with advancements in technologies and agenda's to confuse and distract, who knows what's truth and what's fiction or manipulation anymore???

phoenix1

15-05-2007, 07:00 PM

reat hearing from you
Phoenix1

What an Initiation, what a bunch of Initiations you've been through! When I last talked to you about your astrological transits (god, was it a year ago?) I knew you were up against a huge change. I knew it would be hard and dangerous. I'm SO glad to hear that you've passed the worst of the Uranus opposition transit and still have your brain and soul intact!

Let me add though, and not to make it worse or burden you in any way, but this transit will be totally over for you by Feb. 2008, so you still need to stay grounded, strong, and focused on what YOU WANT FOR YOU.

I swear Phoenix1, that the transits we're going through now (and have been and will be) are more intense, more potent than normal. They have to be to give us the tools (the Initiations) to literally transform/transmute ourselves enough to survive all the outer changes as well!

I need to go read up again about what all the "Fire the Grids" business is all about. A couple years ago now I think it was, I found some womans site (its probably the same link you gave me!!!) who talked about the summer of 2007 being a really big deal. I take it the new Earth grids all connect and get turned on so to speak at that time?

I just read something else by a man (channelled) saying that the whole thing may, may change come Sept. 18, 2007. Way beyond just the grids firing up.....a total change into a new way of being. Hard to describe. Not much would surprise me at this point!

I was bitching just the other day at my Mom about how I just can't comphrend how we can continue like this....so much linear pressure spirialing out. There's days I don't think I can take anymore Energy increases, somethings got to reach that magical point where we (solar system, Earth, much of humanity) simply go poof and enter another level or state of being. (poof was the best I could come up with at the moment! ) Aaahhh its great talking shop with you again my friend.

I need to get more familiar with the forum here and burn through some threads to get caught up with what's on peoples minds here. If I find someplace where I fit in and have something to add, I'll post.

Talk again soon and it's great being connected with you once again. Be very very well Dear One.

Hugs,
******

OK this is no fool here speaking too me, but an OLD SOUL OK should the poster decide too post, and I hope so , much will be learned.

When I missquoted Av....I didnt say i'm not here to learn . lol we all are. OK

Im staying anyway...seeing out this Uranus Opposition

I was warned too keep grounded and coming fron this scouce GOOD ADVICE IT WAS LAST YEAR if it were not for this persons pretictive brilliance, today I would be bodily dead OK.

So theres also why i'm feeling weired.

Phoenix 1

OK sorry for the conflict, twas not the intent.

i am all i am

15-05-2007, 07:00 PM

At this stage in the game we need ALL input out on the table.
Its not about "teaching" anybody anything, its about SHARING
what we have gleamed with others. What they do with what
we share is NOT our business, and we should have no attachment
to an expectation of an outcome.

Maybe there is another way we can contribute to the raising of the
vibrations on this planet on that day. Instead of giving our personal
energy to the project, can we perhaps embue the grid with sound frequencies or maybe pound massive orgone generators into the energy points? I dunno....still looking at all the possibilities here, but PLEASE can
we keep discussing this without all the male ego energy and hissy fits getting
in the way? Isn't this what we're attempting to do here anyway....find
a way to over-write the over abundance of 'male' energy that's
making this planet shite and so out of balance?
Love you all :p

RED: Here, I agree with you Limelady. http://www.lifeshore.com/smiley/data/media/2/3D_emoticon_185.gif http://www.lifeshore.com/smiley/data/media/2/3D_emoticon_231.gif

I am ALL THAT IS, so who is going to "teach" me ???

There is nothing to teach because we are, each and everyone of us, ALL THAT IS.

So, if there is nothing to teach or learn, we merely "remember" who we truly are through our self-expression, to be an example of "how to" BE an individuated aspect of ALL THAT IS. One of the ways to do this directly is to share.

Firstly, you are sharing yourself (focus/energy) and who you have chosen to BE as an individuated aspect of ALL THAT IS.

Secondly, you are sharing experiences of the oneness of ALL THAT IS that we call life. Your perspective, or description is as valid as everyones, and contributes to the "sum totality" of ALL THAT IS.

Thridly, you are sharing a willingness to come together to express and experience ALL THAT IS as a SHARED moment of infinity.

FOR LOVE IS YOUR SOUL,

AND HAS NO COMPARE,

TO MAKE YOURSELF WHOLE,

IT'S WHAT YOU SHARE.

http://img82.imageshack.us/img82/342/a1iloveyoumt0.gif

BLUE: As to this statement.....well, if you think that both male and female haven't danced together to the tune of the matrix, then you would obviously think this way. This idea I suggest to you Limelady, is a self-projection of not remembering who you truly are.

The planet is perfect. The genus/family/group called humanity, contains many individuals that are imbalanced. This may make individuals appear to be shite, but not the planet. This state of imbalance is an individual issue that is neither male nor female. It is an issue of self-created seperation, a lack of awareness to what is true, and that is, that we are all individuated aspects of ALL THAT IS, and are therefore ONE.

The labelling of this as a male or female issue is an avoidance of, or denial of, the fact that you are neither male or female. Who you are is INFINITE LOVE. This is an avoidance or denial of the Source Of Universal Life, S - O - U - L, soul, or Source Of Unconditional Love.

Remember, you are ALL THAT IS !!!

http://img47.imageshack.us/img47/7622/love3blowingkissji2.gif

http://www.lifeshore.com/smiley/data/media/3/3D_emoticon_S34.gif

With LOVE. http://www.lifeshore.com/smiley/data/media/3/3D_emoticon_S36.gif

phoenix1

15-05-2007, 07:12 PM

take a look at the thread above now...why this may be inportant, and why life is weired with me lol

All the love

Phoenix;)

bigus_dickus

15-05-2007, 10:29 PM

i am posting this, because i think you will enjoy it as i did :)

http://www.consciousmedianetwork.com/members/dbrinkley.htm

phoenix1

16-05-2007, 01:44 AM

i am posting this, because i think you will enjoy it as i did :)

http://www.consciousmedianetwork.com/members/dbrinkley.htm

Dude thanks very much for the link there B/Mkd for later , there is no death, everthing that moves lives... so that is everthing because all atoms move, at any atomic level..there nice and simple lol like it should be.

One the Ball Thanks for sharing that. Will watch it.

Respect Dude

Phoenix:) :) :)

limelady

16-05-2007, 02:24 AM

Hi IAAIA, thanks for your post!!

The beauty of this forum is that nobody has to agree with anybody else!!

Regarding the state of 'unbalance' I mentioned which I described as an abundance of male energy (or a lack of female energy), its really just a way of expressing how energy (yin/yang) is being made manifest on a greater scale in this 3D world, therefore I stand by my statement.

Here (http://www.dhushara.com/paradoxhtm/warrior.htm) is a cultural example of this unbalanced energy expressed in an extreme way - where one half of a society has for thousands of years been lorded over by the other, creating an imbalance that prevents progressional evolution or the 'remembering' of who they really are on a soul level. Unless there is a connection of the male/female energies (to create wholeness or oneness in this 3D form) such a society can never be anymore than it ever was - such a society can never experience love.....in fact this particular cultural group have no concept of connectedness and love, therefore have no name for what we understand as love. This makes them very different to large primate groups such as gorilla's for instance, who have a very strong sense of family, love, empathy, and connectedness.

These tribes people existence has always been about domination, killing, revenge, bloodshed, war, jealousy, aggression, hatred, infanticide, survival of the fittest. These people lack empathy, compassion, and all the other energies we describe as 'female' qualities, therefore they have never known peace. There can never be peace in any culture when there is no balance in their polarized (yin/yang) energies they live out.

To a less extreme degree, there goes us!

king

16-05-2007, 08:44 AM

those words again, they stick out like nails!
sorry, but there are so many red flags here:

We are now in a time when natural disasters like hurricanes, earthquakes, and tidal waves are dramatically affecting our planet, and our lives on it. We now have the power to destroy this beautiful Earth quickly, with atomic power, or more slowly, with pollution and devastation of our resources, and overpopulation.

who was that again that was saying that earth is overpopulated??
Masonic cunts who worship Lucifer?

I will also refer to God as mother earth, Gaia, which I came to learn through this journey is the female piece of God.

where did we hear that before? who worships gaia? Same people?

As in everything that is in our universe, you must balance darkness with light, peace with war, and recognize the two faces of God, the female and the male. We are all pieces of this Prime Creator. We are a part of God.

darn, who believes that one?
Same people, again?!

The guidance and direction from my spiritual light beings had proved to me beyond a shadow of a doubt that he would be fine; after all, my "friend" in the lake had told me so.
channeling?
has someone sold out his soul in order to save her child, or is the story bogus?

This global project of loving intention is completely possible. Your intention to make it happen can change the outcome of this planet. I will discuss the details of the plan in phase three of this website. I will give you the directions to follow, and you will see how little it will take for you to become an ambassador of light to our home, planet Earth. I beseech you to join me when we fire the Earth grid on July 17, 2007 at 11:11 Greenwich Mean Time — 04:11 (4:11 AM) in your time zone — , and add your energy to this project. I promise you, just one hour of your time and you can help heal this planet, and help create peace among all people. My son and I are examples of the power of positive energy, and what humans are truly capable of when they unite with the intention of love. Love is the universal language of our world, and the world beyond.

hmmmm.
isn't that Al Gore sponsored Gaia even scheduled for 7/7/2007 ?

The light beings use the term "fire the grid" when they speak of the energizing of humanity with divine power, on July 17, 2007. They say firing the grid will accomplish two things. First, it will pulse healing energy into the center of the earth and regenerate the core, or the heart of the planet.

sorry, I do not need this -- I am already connected with the divine, but you are too.

They told me humans are like little lightening rods, channelling God's energy to the planet. Because we have separated ourselves from our complete connection to The Source, by not having a fully functioning human grid, God's energy has not been able to easily flow into the Earth.

I thought that HAARP, chemtrails and ELF waves from cell towers were
targetted at us to prevent us to connect with one another.
don't those light beings know that?

Loving humans with one intention - to heal our planet and awaken our souls to our true purpose… to become one with our Source of Light.
and who are the worshipers of light again?

There are three types of humans today that will bring power to this project. First, we have those of you already practicing in an organized religion. I am not asking you to change any of your faiths or truths, just know that if the God of your understanding is truly omnipotent, then all things are possible - so why not this. What better use of our human energy and prayer than to heal the earth and unite mankind with God's grace and goodness.

Then we have those who have been searching outside the organized religions to find a different, more individual way in which to believe and live in the light of our creator. We each search for a more individual way in which to know God. These people I refer to as the new age light workers. These light workers will feel the truth of these words and will simply know deep inside that the plan of which I speak is indeed a truth, a clear direction in which you can be of assistance to the Earth.

The fence sitters make up the third type. I call you fence sitters because you truly wish you had faith but the state of the world has beaten any faith out of you. You long for the loving touch of faith; however you feel that God has abandoned us. Two and a half years ago this was me. I had become hardened to the reality of the world and had no faith that God would ever intervene and save us. I was angry at God for letting us down and delivering us such chaos. However I have seen that God has only provided us with that which we desired. We believed we were sinners and not worthy of Gods love. We were lost to the fact that we are a piece of God and therefore able to participate in our lives with the Creator. Now to all of you who were like me, I issue a challenge. Suspend your scepticism for just one hour of your life, and just sit, alone or with others, to think about the beauty of this planet, to appreciate all that you have and all that you are, and to give hope for an improved future for us all.
are we recruiting here? or trying to convert some people to gaia worshipers?

now, on 7/7/2007 (7 is number of Cain, here we got 3 x 7 = 21, 2 + 1 =3, as in trinity) we will have Al (blood and) Gore sponsored "gaia events in seven (yes, 7) countries.

will we be just empowering an occult ritual that is going to help Al Gore's New Age Gaia Worship Religion that is planned for us?
Is "fire the grid" event related to launching of gaia religion on 7/7/07?

Al Gore attends a news conference for the 'Live Earth' concerts in Los Angeles, California February 15, 2007. The planned July 7, 2007 concerts will take place in Sydney, Johannesburg, London and other cities to mobilize action to stop global warming. REUTERS/Fred

Former U.S. vice-president Al Gore gestures during a news conference in Rio de Janeiro May 12, 2007, on the upcoming series of concerts known as Live Earth, to be held on July 7 in seven cities on different continents, including Rio de Janeiro, to promote ecology and awareness of global warming. REUTERS/Marcelo Carnaval

Anyone who has studied the global environmental movement has no doubt heard the term "Gaia". Gaia is a revival of Paganism that rejects Christianity, considers Christianity its biggest enemy, and views the Christian faith as its only obstacle to a global religion centered on Gaia worship and the uniting of all life forms around the goddess of "Mother Earth". A cunning mixture of science, paganism, eastern mysticism, and feminism have made this pagan cult a growing threat to the Christian Church. Gaia worship is at the very heart of today's environmental policy. The Endangered Species Act, The United Nation's Biodiversity Treaty and the Presidents Council on Sustainable Development are all offspring of the Gaia hypothesis of saving "Mother Earth". This religious movement, with cult-like qualities, is being promoted by leading figures and organizations such as former Vice President Albert Gore, broadcaster Ted Turner, and the United Nations and it's various NGO's. Al Gore's book "Earth in the Balance" is just one of many books that unabashedly proclaims the deity of Earth and blames the falling away from this Pagan God on the environmentally unfriendly followers of Jesus Christ. The United Nations has been extremely successful in infusing the "Green Religion" into an international governmental body that has an increasing affect and control over all of our lives.

So, what is this new cult of Gaia? It is basically a rehashed, modernized version of the paganism condemned by God in the Bible. Science, evolution theory, and a space age mentality have given it a new face, and made it sound more credible to a modern world, but it is the same paganism in all of its evils. There have been other religious movements that have presented similar revelations about the deity of a living earth, but Gaia has succeeded in uniting the environmental movement, the new age movement, Eastern religions, and even the leaders of many Christian denominations behind a bastardized version of paganism where the others weren't able to.

The Gaia hypothesis can be credited to James Lovelock. Lovelock worked for NASA during the 1960's as a consultant to the "life on Mars" Viking spacecraft project. Lovelock's theory claims that the earth's "biota", tightly coupled with its environment, act as a single, self regulating living system in such a way as to maintain the conditions that are suitable for life. This living system, he believed, was the result of a meta-life form that occupied our planet billions of years ago and began a process of transforming this planet into its own substance. All of the lifeforms on this planet, according to Lovelock, are a part of Gaia - a part of one spirit goddess that sustains life on earth. Since this transformation into a living system, he theorizes, the interventions of Gaia have brought about the evolving diversity of living creatures on planet Earth. From Lovelock's perspective in space he saw not a planet, but a self-evolving and self-regulating living system. His theory presents earth not as the rock that it is, but as a living being. He named this being Gaia, after the Greek goddess that was once believed to have drawn the living world forth from Chaos.

The idea of Earth as a living, divine spirit is not a new one. Plato said "We shall affirm that the cosmos, more than anything else, resembles most closely that living Creature of which all other living creatures, severally or genetically, are portion; a living creature which is fairest of all and in ways most perfect." As today's version of paganism, Gaia is eagerly accepted by the new age movement and fits neatly into eastern mysticism, but science was needed to gather in the evolutionists and science-minded humanists. For these people, Gaia was made palatable by Lovelock's Daisyworld model, a mathematical and scientific theory designed to refute the criticisms of Darwin's groupies. Just as evolution eliminates the need for a divine creator, the Daisyworld model provided a theory of evolving life on earth that incorporates natural selection with a world that is interconnected. It eliminates a personal yet separate God, and makes humans a part of the divine spirit that is Gaia.

More appealing to the New Agers and the interfaith movement is the mystical side of Gaia. They can easily relate to the belief that humans can have mystical experiences or a spiritual relationship with Gaia. A connectedness to nature and the belief that humans are a part of this collective consciousness called Gaia appeals to them. Gaia teaches that an "Earth spirit", goddess, or planetary brain must be protected. It is this belief that fuels the environmental movement, sustainable development, and a global push for the return of industrialized nations to a more primitive way of life. Just as with the evolutionists, the humanists, and the other pagan religions of the world, Gaia has named Christianity as the obstacle to human evolution and our spiritual destiny. A document mandated by the U.N.-sponsored Convention on Biological Diversity, the Global Biodiversity Assessment, explicitly refers to Christianity as a faith that has set humans apart from nature and stripped nature of its sacred qualities. The document states:

Conversion to Christianity has therefore meant an abandonment of an affinity with the natural world for many forest dwellers, peasants, fishers all over the world ...The northeastern hilly states of India bordering China and Myanmar supported small scale, largely autonomous shifting cultivator societies until the 1950's. These people followed their own religious traditions that included setting apart between 10% and 30% of the landscape as sacred groves and ponds.1

While condemning Christianity as the root of all ecological evil, the document goes on to praise Buddhism and Hinduism as they "did not depart as drastically from the perspective of humans as members of a community of beings including other living and non-living elements". Non-Christian religions are definitely favored by the global government as good stewards of Mother Earth.

Members of this "Green Religion" will all agree that the Earth is in a crisis state and this ecological emergency is the result of Christian traditions. They believe that the Judeo Christian belief that God assigned man to rule over the earth has caused us to exploit and abuse it. Monotheism, they assert, has separated humans from their ancient connection to the earth, and to reverse this trend governments, the media, our education system, artists, and other areas of influence must revive earth-centered myth and reconnect us to Earth's spirit. Al Gore, in his book Earth in the Balance, expounds on this view:

"The richness and diversity of our religious tradition throughout history is a spiritual resource long ignored by people of faith, who are often afraid to open their minds to teachings first offered outside their own systems of belief. But the emergence of a civilization in which knowledge moves freely and almost instantaneously through the world has spurred a renewed investigation of the wisdom distilled by all faiths. This panreligious perspective may prove especially important where our global civilization's responsibility for the earth is concerned." (pp. 258-259)

Gore praises the Eastern religions and new age spiritualism, while blaming Christianity for the elimination of the ancient goddess religion, and calls for a new spiritual relationship between man and earth.

"The spiritual sense of our place in nature predates Native American cultures; increasingly it can be traced to the origins of human civilization. A growing number of anthropologists and archaeomythologists, such as Marija Gimbutas and Riane Esler argue that the prevailing ideology of belief in prehistoric Europe and much of the world was based on the worship of a single earth goddess, who was assumed to be the fount of all life and who radiated harmony among all living things. Much of the evidence for the existence of this primitive religion comes from the many thousands of artifacts uncovered in ceremonial sites. These sites are so widespread that they seem to confirm the notion that a goddess religion was ubiquitous through much of the world until the antecedents of today's religions, most of which still have a distinctly masculine orientation...swept out of India and the Near East, almost obliterating belief in the goddess. The last vestige of organized goddess worship was eliminated by Christianity as late as the fifteenth century in Lithuania."

If Gore had read the Bible he would know exactly why Christians will not open their mind to these other beliefs as he suggests. The Bible very clearly warns us not to.

"So then, just as you received Christ Jesus as Lord, continue to live in him, rooted and built up in him, strengthened in the faith as you were taught, and overflowing with thankfulness. See to it that no one takes you captive through hollow and deceptive philosophy, which depends on human tradition and the basic principles of this world rather than on Christ. For in Christ all the fullness of the Deity lives in bodily form, and you have been given fullness in Christ, who is the head over every power and authority." Colossians 2:6-10

Gore also might want to read Romans 1:18 - 25:

"The wrath of God is being revealed from heaven against all the godlessness and wickedness of men who suppress the truth by their wickedness, since what may be known about God is plain to them, because God has made it plain to them. For since the creation of the world God's invisible qualities - his eternal power and divine nature - have been clearly seen, being understood from what has been made, so that men are without excuse. For although they knew God, they neither glorified him as God nor gave thanks to him, but their thinking became futile and their foolish hearts were darkened. Although they claimed to be wise, they became fools and exchanged the glory of the immortal God for images made to look like mortal man and birds and animals and reptiles. Therefore God gave them over in the sinful desires of their hearts to sexual impurity for the degrading of their bodies with one another. They exchanged the truth of God for a lie, and worshiped and served created things rather than the creator - who is forever praised. Amen.

When men began to worship the creation instead of the Creator, the wrath of God was revealed. As societies begin again to turn from the truth of the creation and worship nature, "Mother Earth", or any other deceiving spirit, the evil and deception in their new religion will be made evident by God's response.

Romans 1:26 - 32

Because of this, God gave them over to shameful lusts. Even their women exchanged natural relations for unnatural ones. In the same way the men also abandoned natural relations with women and were inflamed with lust for one another. Men committed indecent acts with other men, and received in themselves the due penalty for their perversion. Furthermore, since they did not think it worthwhile to retain the knowledge of God, he gave them over to a depraved mind, to do what ought not to be done. They have become filled with every kind of wickedness, evil, greed and depravity. They are full of envy, murder, strife, deceit and malice. They are gossips, slanderers, God-haters, insolent, arrogant and boastful; they invent ways of doing evil; they disobey their parents; they are senseless, faithless, heartless, ruthless. Although they know God's righteous decree that those who do such things deserve death, they not only continue to do these very things but also approve of those who practice them.

Our societies today are becoming a picture of this wickedness, evil, greed and depravity. As the Christian church is brought into the fold by organizations such as the National Council of Churches and the National Religious Partnership for the Environment, we can be sure the results will be a further decline into immorality and chaos. There is a drive by these organizations and others to meld Earth worship with Christianity in the name of tolerance, biodiversity, sustainability, and the preservation of Mother Earth. It is a battle for Christianity and an attack on biblical truth. When this pagan agenda reaches your church or your community, how will you respond? Will you speak up for the truth of God or will you exchanged the glory of the immortal God for a global compromise that is leading countless people into spiritual darkness? As followers of Jesus Christ we know the truth and must boldly proclaim it. The opposition is fierce and to those who don't know the joy of a relationship with God, it is an appealing proposition. It is accepting of everything, intolerant of nothing, it deifies the environmentalist, worships the feminist, eliminates all responsibility for sin, and frees you to embrace your sinful nature. The truth of the Bible must first be taught in our churches, and then shared with the world. As churches begin to fall away from the faith and corrupt the Word of God, it is left to Bible-believing Christians to stand up for the truth, contend for our faith, and offer to the world an alternative to God's wrath. If we are ashamed of our faith, if we compromise our beliefs, and if we hide in our churches and ignore what is going on outside of them, we are aiding in our own destruction and countless souls will be lost because of our complacency, selfishness, and inaction.

"For this reason I remind you to fan into flame the gift of god, which is in you through the laying on of my hands. For God did not give us a spirit of timidity, but a spirit of power, of love and of self-discipline. So do not be ashamed to testify about our Lord, or ashamed of me his prisoner. But join with me in suffering for the gospel, but the power of god, who has saved us and called us to a holy life - not because of anything we have done but because of his own purpose and grace." II Timothy 1:6-8

king

16-05-2007, 09:15 AM

and... in last 2 weeks of July -- there is "Cremation of Care" ritual in Bohemian Grove.

I do not know if this matters, but July is suppose to very occult month and it puzzles me why this 7/17/2007 event is scheduled for that hight time.

why cant we make every day special by giving one minute of love to all other
people on earth?

sorry, but even though 7/17 event sounds very cool - i got problem doing something that i do not quite understand, why on that time (11:11) and that date?
BTW, i do have very funny feeling about those typical luciferian terms that were used while pushing gaia worship.

it sure seems that we, regular humans are to blame for all of it, but there is not a single word on those big masonic owned corporations that are destroying the earth for pennies of extra profit, not a word on chemtrails that are poisoning the planet, not a word on HAARP, GM food and rest that is destroying the earth thousand times more than cow farts.

c-mon people, there are massive global droughts now, like never before, ever since weather manipulation started. this kind of crazy weather was never on global scale! this is man made.

yes, i know that earth is in dire situation, i am not denying it, nor am i deniying that we are partialy to blame.
but, if you look at major illuminati corporations -- you will see who is really doing most of the damage.
who is destroying the rainforests, who is destroying furtile lands, who is putting people in poverty -- for extra buck and control.

if those light beings are unable to see that -- how can we believe their message?
it is funny how it is always we, ordinary people that are mentioned as culprits.

limelady

16-05-2007, 09:31 AM

neutron flux

16-05-2007, 01:57 PM

It's becoming more obvious that this is complete shite the more you dissect and start "thinking with a hammer" and notice the red flags that you discover that these "light beings" are very ill informed - thus it reeks of disinformation.

You could really break it down even more than King has, but I think it is unnecessary.

If people want to do something I can suggest that you gather and share knowledge - and reminds me of this:

To love you must know. And to know is to have light. And to have light is to love. And to have knowledge is to love.

lemonique

16-05-2007, 03:08 PM

Hi all, Suggestion......... instead of participating in Fire the Grid, could we all perhaps spend a bit more time with our Families and friends, and show them lots of Love and kindness. Sort of make it a priority on a daily basis to be more attentive to all who come within our spheres, and to raise their vibration, so they can do the same with others. It could spread like wild fire!!! and in my mind is the best tool we have to beat out and conquer the bad bastards who would have us all cowering and slaves to the Matrix.
Worth a try???
Just a thought.............have fun with the thinking caps on:D
Cheers

bicycle

16-05-2007, 03:20 PM

lookfar

16-05-2007, 06:07 PM

king

19-05-2007, 09:30 AM

Hi King, I couldn't agree more. I'm doing a bit of a back peddle on this whole thing myself at the moment. My intuition is saying "no" while my heart still wants to help. I'm currently looking for other ways to do some good rather than participating in a energy-giving ritual that may be harnessed or directed and used some other way by the PTB.

Its so frustrating that these days we can take nothing at face value anymore.....and for good reason... we have been the victims of the great deceivers for far to long!

hi limelady
i hear you, because i feel the same way.
I would love for this to be true like everyone else here would, i am sure.

lemonique suggested that we need to give more love to friends and families -- and what a great idea is this!

this will be a great start.

lets spread the virus of love around!!!
thank you lemonique for this brilliant, yet obvious idea!
i will do as you suggested

:) :)

tru3

19-05-2007, 07:47 PM

hello, All

i just wanted to say what an excellent exercise in discernment this thread had been, and respond to a few well-expressed pov's.

let's start close to home...

I didn't expect such a strong reaction to your post either. I reckon people invest a lot of time and energy into events and beliefs, thereby identifing themselves with the event or belief. Then if someone disagrees they take it personally.

yes, i'll own this one. i did have a strong reaction to all this at first. i have been looking forward to an event like this for 10 years. in that time, i have overlayed all sorts of expectations about what it would look like. it has been very instructive to me to read all your reactions and opinions about this event, simply with respect to what you have shown me about my own illusions about what this event is and how to participate.

i thank all of you. :)

At this stage in the game we need ALL input out on the table.
Its not about "teaching" anybody anything, its about SHARING
what we have gleamed with others. What they do with what
we share is NOT our business, and we should have no attachment
to an expectation of an outcome.

the rest of this post is simply intended to share my own personal experience and investigations into what this event signifies-- to me. that's all i can do. if you find something that resonates, please take it and leave the rest.

i got problem doing something that i do not quite understand

i understand exactly how you feel, king. i'm pretty much fearless when it comes to investigating the 'unknown', but there is one thing i will not go near: qabbalah. why is not important to the purposes of this post. suffice to say if everyone on the planet testified that q. was the greatest thing since sliced bread, i would still not touch it.

but that's just me. i have to honor that, and each of us needs to honor that small, still voice with respect to fire the grid.

for me, this event is about cleaning out, not putting anything in. the loomies built their cathedrals and conduct their blood sacrifces on grid points because they know exactly what is coming: as humans evolve physically, emotionally mentally spiritually, so is gaia.

it's not about worshipping her, it's about loving ourselves as expressions of her.

to me.

cheers avatar, im still despairing though- it seems as though we are going through a stage now (possibly its the PTB that are on a new crusade to confuse the conspiracy theorists now they realise we are a threat??) where we are receiving information that relates to what we are studying/researching and no-one seems to know whether its a hoax anymore or if its credible- everyone and everything has become suspicious- i know you cant believe everything you read but i have been disappointed with the likes of james casbolt and other things that have swayed towards being disinfo etc, i mean i take everything into consideration- i cant tell you if ufo's are real- ive never seen one for myself but im open minded enough to accept the possibility, and the evidence seems to be pointing in the favour of believable when you consider the maniplation we have been subjected to- but then thats another subject- a lot of people are open to the idea of reptiles manipulating our race on this forum but then the majority will mock those who present information about 'good aliens' here to help us, because they believe it to be disinfo- which is fair enough and may well be disinfo or just a story made up but im so confused, how can we ever prove any of this? i cant say the moon is real- all i have to go by is what ive been conditioned to believe and what NASA have told us, but ive never been there so i can never really truly prove its real or its there, do you get me? Seems with all this truthseeking- we've become almost paranoid (with the greatest respect) and with advancements in technologies and agenda's to confuse and distract, who knows what's truth and what's fiction or manipulation anymore???

i can say with authority that the deeper down the rabbit hole goes, the more everything unravels.

for a long time, i have contemplated whether 'extinction' (nirvana) might not be the only authentic choice to stop feeding the god program. i mean, if what limelady says is true, then we're all fucked. :( actually i believe what she says is true, but there's more to it.

since we're all fans of d.i., ponder this: "if it vibrates, it ain't real". don't remember the book, but it's in his corpus somewhere.

i have come out the other side of that despair. i approach my own healing practise (and, to me, everything is a healing opportunity, including this thread ;) with three simple 'rules':

1) emanate complete harmlessness and nonattachment to my intention.
2) realize the bodymind is a communication device.
3) rest as Conscious Being as everything unfolds.

I'm currently looking for other ways to do some good rather than participating in a energy-giving ritual that may be harnessed or directed and used some other way by the PTB.

lets spread the virus of love around!!!
thank you lemonique for this brilliant, yet obvious idea!
i will do as you suggested

if we got anything of value from this thread, i feel this would be it. and let's not forget ourselves in this giving! charity starts at home.

i was beating myself up not long ago with a stream of unloving thoughts. i've always tended to put the gun to my own head, rather than lashing out at others.

i saw a dog walking along, limping, hair matted, one eye dimmed with glaucoma, and i immediately shifted to thoughts of love and compassion.

and i cried, because i realized that i wouldn't treat a dog the way i treat myself.

it's time we started to send some love energy to our own bodymind.

because really, in a holographic universe, each 'piece' contains the 'whole'.

imho, there really is nothing out there, folks. it all starts at home.

i can build a case to show anyone that every aspect of sacred geometry, every number in the fibonacci sequence, rests in the human bodymind. and we are not that geometry, and we are not those numbers; We Are That which experiences the numbers. we are not the movie playing on the screen, we are the screen the movie plays on (and the projector and the film and the seats in the theater and the audience).

zero- the trunk cavity
one- the sinoatrial node, on the right side of the chest
two- energy circulation between the abdomen and chest
three- lower/mid/upper tantien
five- five organs of the tao
eight- pakua, 8 energy channels in the body
thirteen- actual number of chakras people have in their energy body
twenty one- points in the taoist microcosmic orbit

speaking of numbers

now, on 7/7/2007 (7 is number of Cain, here we got 3 x 7 = 21, 2 + 1 =3, as in trinity) we will have Al (blood and) Gore sponsored "gaia events in seven (yes, 7) countries.

sorry king, but its 7+7+2+7= 23; 2+3= 5. 5 is a power number. imo, it's an empowerment gate. what we do with that is up to us.

Regarding the state of 'unbalance' I mentioned which I described as an abundance of male energy (or a lack of female energy), its really just a way of expressing how energy (yin/yang) is being made manifest on a greater scale in this 3D world, therefore I stand by my statement.

the challenge of our times is to carry the yin/yang balance within each of us. no more relying on the 'opposite sex' to carry the shadow of dis-ease.

where do you think the phrase "my better half" comes from? ;)

women open the throat chakra and speak forth the truth of Being.
men open the heart chakra in compassion and support.

Here is a cultural example of this unbalanced energy expressed in an extreme way - where one half of a society has for thousands of years been lorded over by the other, creating an imbalance that prevents progressional evolution or the 'remembering' of who they really are on a soul level. Unless there is a connection of the male/female energies (to create wholeness or oneness in this 3D form) such a society can never be anymore than it ever was - such a society can never experience love.....in fact this particular cultural group have no concept of connectedness and love, therefore have no name for what we understand as love. This makes them very different to large primate groups such as gorilla's for instance, who have a very strong sense of family, love, empathy, and connectedness.

similarly, this to me is a matter of inclusion and transcendance. we include the connection to matter as sacred, and transcend the dysfunctional expression of it. that's certainly the lesson, imo, for the shias and sunnis of the world as well. anybody that can't see that struggle as one of tribal and power issues, not religious dogma, isn't seeing the big picture, imv.

so, anyway, this is the last i'll speak of this. thanks in advance for letting my speak my peace. :)

ho1ogram

19-05-2007, 09:19 PM

Heh, heh, awesome... I love you all!
IMO life is an experience and nothing else. It doesn't matter what anybody thinks of any event or who or why people do or don't participate in one... cos we're making up reality as we go. An endless experience, that's what infinity is and we are all infinite. Parts of the whole as tru3 just said. Parts that contain the whole that contain the parts that contain the whole that contain the parts that contain the whole... INFINITY...and infinity is NOW.... no beginnings or endings... life is like a journey but not one of learning... just experiencing... and all experience comes from within. Cos we're individuals.

I can choose what ever I like because it's my experience and if I don't like the experience I can let it go by making another choice... nothing is absolute.... and the only absolute is nothing... and it's all nothing... heh, heh.... ??? :D (it's a paradox ;))

:cool: The Fire the Forum thread... :) ...do what ever you want. ;)

i am all i am

19-05-2007, 09:34 PM

ho1ogram

19-05-2007, 10:55 PM

Although I disagree that there is no absolute. ALL THAT IS is the absolute of everything.

Hmmm, I typed out a few replys to that but couldn't quite get my theories to work. They went somethhing like this; If ALL THAT IS is infinite how can it be absolute?
My absolute was a play on words. Nothing is absolute, eg; there are no absolutes in life. But Nothing IS an absolute, eg; nothingness itself is an absolute. It's zero.

See, I heard somewhere that the answer to 'life' is a paradox and something about that resonates with me... but to sum up for now...

http://www.lifeshore.com/smiley/data/media/3/3D_emoticon_S104.gif I've ben wanting to use that little fella for a while :D

ho1ogram

19-05-2007, 10:59 PM

woops, I didn't finish my post, I hit submit instead of preview... It's six am and I've got a feeling tomorrow I'll go "What the fuck was I on about" or later today as the case may be. <insert that little fella here>

i am all i am

19-05-2007, 11:12 PM

Hmmm, I typed out a few replys to that but couldn't quite get my theories to work. They went somethhing like this; If ALL THAT IS is infinite how can it be absolute?
My absolute was a play on words. Nothing is absolute, eg; there are no absolutes in life. But Nothing IS an absolute, eg; nothingness itself is an absolute. It's zero.

See, I heard somewhere that the answer to 'life' is a paradox and something about that resonates with me... but to sum up for now...

http://www.lifeshore.com/smiley/data/media/3/3D_emoticon_S104.gif I've ben wanting to use that little fella for a while :D

G'day Ho1ogram.

Maybe we have merely defined absolute differently from each others understanding.

ABSOLUTE adj. complete, perfect; not limited, pure.

http://www.lifeshore.com/smiley/data/media/3/3D_emoticon_S34.gif With LOVE. http://www.lifeshore.com/smiley/data/media/3/3D_emoticon_S36.gif

bigus_dickus

20-05-2007, 09:21 AM

avatar

20-05-2007, 06:40 PM

hello, All

i just wanted to say what an excellent exercise in discernment this thread had been, and respond to a few well-expressed pov's.

Excellent post Tru3

tru3

20-05-2007, 07:24 PM

thanks for the feedback. :)

i am all i am

20-05-2007, 09:07 PM

lol, nice wordplay

its like saying "the only constant is change"

but doesn't "changing" change too? it's a paradox.

basically, the only "thing" you have experienced so far in your life, is your self. do you think you're ever going to experience anything else than that? if yes, then you don't exist. lol.. if no, then you are the constant and you are becoming the change.

G'day Bigus Dickus.

Yeah, I looked for where I said the only constant is change and realised that I must have written that on another thread and that you picked up on the 'originating' thought.

All is one so you can only experience yourself, and yes we are becoming the change.

THE CONSTANT

THERE IS ONLY ONE CONSTANT,
FLOWING THROUGHOUT THE AGES,
AND IT HAPPENS IN AN INSTANT,
IT'S WHEN EVERYTHING CHANGES.

CHANGE IS ALL AROUND,
IT HAPPENS EVERYDAY,
AND MUSIC IS THE SOUND,
TO CONSTANTLY CHANGE YOUR WAY.

WANTING TO STAY THE SAME,
IS LIVING IN THE PAST,
CHANGING MORE THAN THE NAME,
THE CONSTANT HAPPENS FAST.

NATURE IS FOREVER NEW,
AND CHANGES EVERY INSTANT,
THE CHANGE HAPPENS INSIDE OF YOU,
AND CREATES THE CONSTANT.

This is a poem that I wrote, obviously about this subject, although it requires a bit of a touch-up or tweak. I had to search for a copy because it isn't on the 'list' that I have on computer. Thank you for reminding about it through your post Bigus Dickus.

http://www.lifeshore.com/smiley/data/media/3/3D_emoticon_S34.gif With LOVE. http://www.lifeshore.com/smiley/data/media/3/3D_emoticon_S36.gif

edelweiss pirate

20-05-2007, 10:10 PM

I continued to hear the voices and be directed with both visions and seeing auras. Needless to say, I was more than a little freaked out. As time passed I would ask "What do you want of me?" They would speak of the love for the universe and how things have gone terribly wrong. Humanity has spiralled out of control, and has lost its true connection to God and to this Earth. They want desperately for me to give the humans of this world a message from "beyond," that we have inside of us the power to unite this planet as one race with peace and prosperity for all. This power lies inside us all, and when combined with the loving energy of other humans, we can do for this planet what we did for my son. We can revive this Earth and catapult it into healing. With this healing will come a new phase of humanity. We will have a time of peace and harmony. All it will take is our intention, as a united group, and one hour of our time.

Thanks for posting this Phoenix.....

I think it might not hurt to imagine that perhaps there might just be some good guy alien beings out there.... Do you think there are?

This message really spoke to me because it is literally true that we all, individually have the power to save the world... We can all be Jesus, or Superman, or whoever... be your own superhero... create your own matrix fantasy... This world is just a particular fantasy of one group of people...

I will investigate this further... What she is suggesting is similar to our Forum experiment really isn't it...

Thanks for something positive at last... we need more like this....
This and Ron Paul should keep me ticking along nicely....

'course it could all be an evil trap and a plot.. but then, surely not EVERYTHING is a plot....

edelweiss pirate

21-05-2007, 07:49 PM

http://www.firethegrid.com/eng/eng-home-fr.htm

Phoenix, do you know roughly how many people might be getting involved in this?

aznality

24-05-2007, 03:00 PM

Reckon we should sticky list this thread?

aznality

24-05-2007, 03:50 PM

I just realised something.

July 17 2007

07/17/2007

0+7 / 1+7 / 2+0+0+7

7 / 8 / 9

789? What could that represent?

phoenix1

30-05-2007, 10:20 AM

OK People are making there deductions on this...I've been asked....since this date is coming close... to ask for a sticky on it..

Untill the day anyway....

View it how you want...A sticky has been asked for ...up to the Date....Or is it just the Aussies on this ENTIRE board that Get a sticky....Wheels within wheels in the Mods Forum ??

Been some straight out.. Bullshit in the house I believe.. but then thats my belief...

No room for ..family mods on here I dont think...!!!!!!

A sticky has been asked for .... to the Jury of the Mods Lawcourts.

Phoenix

limelady

30-05-2007, 11:55 AM

O.K. I will sticky this thread for the time being......we 'Aussie mods' can't be seen to be playing favorites, can we?

Knock yourselves out guys.........you are now STUCK!

teslafire

30-05-2007, 12:35 PM

I just realised something.

July 17 2007

07/17/2007

0+7 / 1+7 / 2+0+0+7

7 / 8 / 9

789? What could that represent?

Movement from the crown to the higher chakras outside the body?

btw, does this happen to be sponsored by Al Gore? Or is that the other one in July?

What does the front page say?

Looks like Problem, Reaction, Solution in the form of Epsilon.

phoenix1

31-05-2007, 12:03 AM

O.K. I will sticky this thread for the time being......we 'Aussie mods' can't be seen to be playing favorites, can we?

Knock yourselves out guys.........you are now STUCK!

Thank you Limelady.. it was a request... and not from me ...I see the wording just fine... no need to expand.........or is there??

STUCK? Erm No.Simply put..

phoenix1

31-05-2007, 12:12 AM

Movement from the crown to the higher chakras outside the body?

btw, does this happen to be sponsored by Al Gore? Or is that the other one in July?

What does the front page say?

Looks like Problem, Reaction, Solution in the form of Epsilon.

Well I guess it need a little study Tesla .... The numbers looked good initailly to IAAIA... I'm running with the Sacred Geometric Crunching that IAAIA did with me one day on MSN... A good chat too.

I'm rinning with what "feels" ok for me... Sometimes there can be to much paraioia.. But is our game to be suspect eh.

So is someone sees BIG holes in this... Be brilliant if someone could pin down a MAJOR or minor flaw.

If its used for the Imbalance.. then we dont want it,, Its still good even if the event is prooved disinfo empowerment of negativity... Right now I dont see it as that at all.

Discernent again is KEY , me thinks .

:)

fuknut

01-06-2007, 04:41 PM

http://www.firethegrid.com/eng/eng-home-fr.htm

Phoenix, do you know roughly how many people might be getting involved in this?

Here's more to that. Not on the same day but these people are creating vortexes to repair the grid.

Interesting read. from here http://www.templeofsakkara.com/engineering.htm

Dunno if they are on the same page as the Fire the Grid Org.

:D

aznality

02-06-2007, 12:44 PM

http://www.firethegrid.com/eng/eng-home-fr.htm

Phoenix, do you know roughly how many people might be getting involved in this?

Well the FIRE THE GRID myspace has 1000+ members.

www.myspace.com/fire_the_grid

markhowie

02-06-2007, 10:39 PM

Aloha all
just passing by planet earth, thought i would drop in....
im up for the 'fire the grid' on the 17/07/2007 as
a collective excersise
(perso: doing a bit everyday feels good)
ive put it on the hunatrainer site:http://www.bbs.jeditrainer.com/viewtopic.php?p=20460#20460
looks like there could be alot of people doing it
spread the word

se ya all down the road
love to all that is
mark

http://a673.ac-images.myspacecdn.com/images01/41/m_db08ef307b2e84f7a375ca0617c632e8.jpg

ps brainfood:

beware your thoughts. they become your words.

beware your words. they become your actions.

beware your actions. they become your habits.

beware your habits. they become your personality.

beware your personality. she/he becomes your destiny.

markhowie

03-06-2007, 10:40 PM

Aloha all
mark here (the thread killer)
Here is a mail i just got on the "fire the earth grid"
just thought id share it wid-ya
se U den
mark
madinfrance

From: FTG Forum
Sent: Sunday, June 03, 2007 7:16 PM
Subject: FIRE the GRID - Latest NEWS - June 3rd

We hope this letter finds all of you in tremendous spirits and
bountiful joy.
I am grateful for this opportunity to share our latest news and
developments.

The time now at hand is unlike any other in history as we prepare to
build a new, wondrous
world, one that will guide humanity toward our true destiny. We are
six brief weeks away
from July 17, 2007 @ 11:11 GMT and things have been accelerating at
an amazing pace.

Some of you may know that Shelley has been travelling from town to
town sharing her story.
Her itinerary can be found on the site under the new "APPEARANCES"
section.
[ http://www.firethegrid.org/eng/home-fr-eng.htm ]
Today, as I write this, Shelley is living some powerful moments on
Vancouver Island in
beautiful British Columbia, Canada and will shortly make her way down
the coast to
Washington and California in late June. That will be followed by a
European journey through
France and adjacent countries in the beginning of July.

We are thrilled to tell you that many wonderful and well connected
people have joined us
of late, bringing a fantastic surge of vital new and contagious
energy that is spreading to more
impassioned souls with each fleeting minute.

Shelley's websites [ http://www.FIRETHEGRID.org ] & [ http://
www.FIRETHEGRID.com ]
are now translated into 12 languages (with more to come) and
frequented by over
ten thousand (10,000) individual people daily, rising to an average
of 13,000 visitors per day
in the past week. The actual hits on the site are over 100,000 every
24 hours.

The "UPDATES" page has several new texts, including a vital one entitled
"FOUR WAYS TO FIRE THE GRID"; news about a CD collaboration conceived
and
sequenced by Shelley's Light Beings entitled "LIGHT & LOVE"; along
with the actual Letter
to Oprah Winfrey which Shelley was directed to place in the Chicago
Tribune.
(The Tribune refused to print it, telling her their readers would not
be interested).
[ http://www.firethegrid.org/eng/home-fr-eng.htm ]

For those who have not visited the site recently, the "DOWNLOADS"
area now contains fun
and useful "Countdown widgets" for your PC, a selection of printable
color posters in several
sizes for announcing your local events and publicizing the day itself,
[ http://www.firethegrid.org/eng/home-fr-eng.htm ] as well as
completely redesigned
T-Shirts and other "Billboards for the Cause" material to spread the
word visually.

This coming Tuesday the 5th of June, you can listen to an hour long
special interview
with Shelley hosted by the dynamic Maureen Moss on the World Puja
network. (6pm PST/9pm EST)
http://www.worldpuja.org/power-of-life.php
In this interview, Shelley will speak for the first time on radio
about the next step after we
FIRE the GRID, (Project CAUSE) and should not be missed. (see
attached Word file for details)

On Friday June 15th, also on the World Puja network, Grammy award
winning
Barry Goldstein will do an hour long interview with musical artists
Anael and myself,
discussing our roles in the creation of FIRE the GRID along with
insights into our Source
affirming creative process. http://www.worldpuja.org/now-vibrations.php

Other physical appearances and radio shows are forthcoming so keep
checking back
on the "APPEARANCES" page for the latest information. The California
and European
dates will be coming over the next few days.

Our worldwide group of Team Leaders has grown to over fourteen
hundred (1400) of you
who are guiding groups in your regions and countries, many in the
hundreds and some in the
thousands. (One group in Japan has 2,300 people alone) Two hundred of
you have
joined in the last week alone (!), a clear indication of the growing
masses who wish to
define themselves to the Universe on July 17.

Please continue to share and send us your individual plans and
details for July 17th.
[ team@firethegrid.com ] Many of you are curious what others will be
doing during this
unprecedented event so we encourage you to spread the word in
whatever way you
are so inclined.

In closing, know that each of us is living a unique and incomparable
experience on
this earth. There is only one planet in the universe like it, lest we
forget this most precious
gift to humanity. Shelley says that the line up just to get here is
staggering, that many of
us do not even realize how blessed and fortunate we truly are. Upon
awakening to this
magnificent truth, our frequency will rise, never to return to the
old, lower vibration.

In but six weeks, on July 17 at 11:11 GMT, we will amass a group of
humans the likes
of which history has never seen, united in Spirit, alike in energy,
joined in a collective fusion
of transformative thoughts: to FIRE the GRID and heal the earth.

With Light & Love in abundance for each of you,
Bradfield
for Shelley, Annie and the FTG support team

aznality

04-06-2007, 12:19 AM

^What is the forum url by the way?

Thanks for the updates. It's nice to know things are looking great. I have realised this FTG has been in planning for at least 2 yrs already.

enoughforusall

04-06-2007, 12:21 AM

this is my first time hearing anything about this project, and it's so great! Thanks markhowie for the update; I'll be with everyone on 7.17.7 :)

celtic isis

04-06-2007, 02:29 PM

aznality

05-06-2007, 01:51 PM

Their myspace has 2000+ members now. Great, it is constantly growing. =)

phoenix1

06-06-2007, 03:40 AM

Their myspace has 2000+ members now. Great, it is constantly growing. =) Thank aznality and the above pepes

Nice one everybody.. it all looks cool to me.. rather it just "feels the right thing" Yes there are lightbiengs.. they are there .

Question for someone who dont believe this is so:

OK this is the Question to someone who is skeptical: NOT directed at anyone :

(for someone who doesnt believe in light biengs or stepdowns or starseeds..(or anything else for that matter)

OK Q : Do you know everything ??

A : Well no

Q : Ok do you know half of everything ??

A ; Ermmmm No

Q: Ok .. let's assume you know half of everything ok ??

A; Ok we'll assume I know half of everything ... go on....

Q: OK assuming now you know half of everything...is it possible that these things exist in the other half of everything you don't know ?? Since you don't know that half ??

A; ????????????????????????????????????????????????er m!!!????????????crash+2?<<**Burn lol

Fire the Grid..... ??? Deffinately.;):D:D

Thanks pepes for the info and updates there. I'll be going for it too.!!! Deffo

All the Love

PhoenixFired

edelweiss pirate

07-06-2007, 09:41 PM

Here's more to that. Not on the same day but these people are creating vortexes to repair the grid.

Interesting read. from here http://www.templeofsakkara.com/engineering.htm

Dunno if they are on the same page as the Fire the Grid Org.

:D

I've checked out that site.... Some of what I read was quite synchronous with what I've been thinking, particularly re Brighton where I will soon be living.. I'm leaving The City of the Sun (On) in Egypt soon and it will be good to arrive at the city of Bright-On...

BUT..... why does this site seem to think the masons and templars are good guys... It talks about an evil government conspiracy but strangely fails to mention that it is the Templars and Masons who are behind it... And as for churches being built to balance the earth grid.. well I don't know about that... seems to be a bit naive and fluffy to me.... Far as I can see the churches were built to scare the people into submission and scares the living souls out of them with fear and terror.... And they're friends of Lawrence Gardener.

The order of the Knights Templar was founded in 1118 when the Ark of the Covenant and much of the Essene wisdom was uncovered in Jerusalem. The order then became the protectors of this wisdom and wished to use this knowledge to be broadcasted through the grid and resonated into the main cathedrals of Europe, so that the common man could become sovereign. They devised a process to finance the building of these huge cathedrals, thus, the development of the Masonic order. These Masons, who were really common workmen, were taught to form unions. They learned to become sovereign by having a purpose in life rather than just experiencing the drudges of life. One might say that this was the first formation of unions. It was important to teach the common man how to govern himself, and the development of unions and the laws of Freemasonry established this.

Only the elite of the Knights Templar totally understood the true purpose of the Templars. The order that was above them, the Priory of Zion, were developed to protect the lineage of Jesus and Mary Magdalene. Mary Magdalene had three children with Jesus and fled to France after the crucifixion. Here, the three children married into the royalty of Europe. A good book to read about this lineage is "The Hiram Key," by Christopher Knight and Robert Lomas. When the Crusaders captured Jerusalem, nine men were chosen to seek out the secret archives of the Essenes which were buried when the Essenes had to flee Jerusalem around 67 AD. These nine men dug for many years, and in 1118, discovered the secret hiding place of the archives. With this wisdom of how to develope Christed beings, the Priory wished to control humanity. However, the Templars became more powerful and developed a truer mission because of the understanding of Mother Earth's grid and the power of the cathedrals. In other words, the Templars were transformed. In 1307 they were destroyed because they were actually taking humanity back to the light. Today, this war still continues. We can see evidence of this by the Priory, AKA the Illuminati, trying to take control of the grid and vaccinating us with chips so that our sovereignty can be stolen.

bigus_dickus

08-06-2007, 05:13 PM

Q: OK assuming now you know half of everything...is it possible that these things exist in the other half of everything you don't know ?? Since you don't know that half ??

A; ????????????????????????????????????????????????er m!!!????????????crash+2?<<**Burn lol

Fire the Grid..... ??? Deffinately.;):D:D

how can there be a half of everything? :rolleyes:

neutron flux

08-06-2007, 06:28 PM

Q: OK assuming now you know half of everything...is it possible that these things exist in the other half of everything you don't know ?? Since you don't know that half ??

A; ????????????????????????????????????????????????er m!!!????????????crash+2?<<**Burn lol

Fire the Grid..... ??? Deffinately.

How can you quantify half of everything when you have no indication of the whole anyway?:confused:

phoenix1

12-06-2007, 10:24 PM

sorry double post:o

phoenix1

12-06-2007, 10:28 PM

How can you quantify half of everything when you have no indication of the whole anyway?:confused:

Hi Neutron..I was trying to convey precisley that. There is no quantitative whole, at least not within "normal linear math.." It cannot be quantified in "science" But so much for "science" Todays "science" is far lacking to the ancient Hermetic Mysteries...

That science... is the REAL science .. they dont tell us about... its too much for "scientists" in the conventional sense to defend(if indeed they have any concept beyond dogma .)... or they defy it, knock it down or totally ignore it... standard procedure for most of the scientific community... who only work to rationallity at the cerebral level.
The cerebral is important sure... the next step is innate...and vital.

There is only the Etherical ALL, the infinite everything ,,the metaphysical ALL.

I was just trying to point out .. that none of us know ALL of it.

It was just my rather clumsy, illusratated attempt at how much we think we know. Feeble as that may be.

When we dont immediatly identify with something,, I was just saying it may be ouside our experience. Thats as simply as I can put it really.

Just because its ouside our experience...its not to say its existance is not so.

Sorry ... Best I could explain what i said really.

ALL is ALL allways has been allways will be... no start.. no end..just isness of what is.

Hope I got that over the way it was meant to sound lol.

All the love Dude

Phoenix:):)

alexph777

25-06-2007, 07:06 AM

I think the best way to heal the earth is simply to send love to her in whatever way feels best for you. I would suggest to try to avoid ETs, asshole(sorry ashtar) command, ascended masters, so called new age "angels/archangels" and other off planet agendas. Simply send love to the earth as if you were holding a baby or your wedding day or when you first made true love, etc.

I think the following article is worth posting:-

Tampering with Earth's Energies

In a world where frontiers are closing everywhere in the Western world against dark peoples fleeing from famines, torture and wars - most of this as a result of the globalisation of poverty imposed and sanctioned by this same Western world - white New Agers jetset freely, speaking of themselves as global citizens, the world their oyster.

New Agers travel the world to sacred places where they attempt to manipulate Earth's sacred energies, planting crystals at standing stones and in similar places. Their plan is to facilitate the entry into this realm of extraterrestrials by changing the energy patterns of the Earth, and this, not Earth healing, was also the purpose of the so-called "Harmonic Convergence" in August 1987.

I was recently at a New Age festival in North Cornwall and heard one such New Age jetsetter, the Australian channeler Sandy Stevenson (see note 5) speak of her journeys around the world. She also boasted that she spent most of her time already in the fifth dimension and is personally tapped into the Masters!

Sandy announces in the final section of her book "The Awakener" that Earth is now functioning on the New Higher Vibrational Leyline system and at midnight on 25th November 1996 the Earth "slipped free" of the "denser" energy leyline system that Earth has used since the days of Atlantis. She told us how on that night she had been on the Cornish coast near St Austell carrying an "Atlantean laser crystal" and had cut the last of the four corner cords that held the old leyline. Earth was now getting ready for the final stages of her "ascension", to be completed by 2012. It seems the so-called "light force" have been focusing light into sacred sites and leyline points throughout the world, creating a grid/leyline system to replace the old one. This is apparently part of "The Divine Plan for Earth".

As a lover of the Earth and her ancient sacred sites, I felt very close to evil when I heard her speaking and I could see clearly how New Agers using occult powers, taught by the likes of Alice Bailey, are attempting to tamper with Goddess Earth and Her ancient sacred powers.

Things will get even crazier as the Millenium approaches and even more so with 2012, the end of the Mayan calendar and according to some New Agers the end of time.

I too would like to see the transformation of the Earth - but in ways totally other than what New Agers are anticipating. My dream would be for oppressed peoples to rise up. Earth's women to throw off our chains, and patriarchy finally come to an end. So may it be...

Blessed Be
Monica Sjoo
Jan 1998.

Source: http://www.monicasjoo.org/books/naessay/newageessay1.htm

barbitone

25-06-2007, 01:39 PM

tru3

25-06-2007, 03:54 PM

I too would like to see the transformation of the Earth - but in ways totally other than what New Agers are anticipating. My dream would be for oppressed peoples to rise up. Earth's women to throw off our chains, and patriarchy finally come to an end. So may it be...

i couldn't agree more.

I think the best way to heal the earth is simply to send love to her in whatever way feels best for you. I would suggest to try to avoid ETs, asshole(sorry ashtar) command, ascended masters, so called new age "angels/archangels" and other off planet agendas. Simply send love to the earth as if you were holding a baby or your wedding day or when you first made true love, etc.

oh, wait, i guess i could agree more!! :D

So....the Illuminati plan to steal our love energy on this day? Good! They need love more than anyone.

I didn't realize they fed on fear energy AND love energy! What chance do we have? (sarcasm)

Seriously folks......

the only way for love to grow, is to share it. the only way "they" win is if we keep the love we are bottled up out of fear.

mada88

25-06-2007, 05:48 PM

speaking of trasformation, the new transformers film is out soon maybe theres a link.

ninpo

12-07-2007, 08:09 PM

There is a nutjob born every minute....

celtic isis

12-07-2007, 08:41 PM

So....the Illuminati plan to steal our love energy on this day? Good! They need love more than anyone. :D

I didn't realize they fed on fear energy AND love energy! What chance do we have?:rolleyes: (sarcasm)

Seriously folks......

hehe they've no chance of stealing my love energy that day, it's my fiancé's bday! therefore i plan to be making lots of love :D fuck you "Dilluminati" arseholes :D

phoenix1

14-07-2007, 01:41 PM

Yep im still up for it .

Phoenix1:D:D:D

lapis

15-07-2007, 01:33 AM

Well, well, well......it has been the shits for a few weeks now hasn't it? All I know is since around the Solstice (June 21st) many of us (myself included) have been suddenly dealing with lots of crap in one form or another! My crap, his crap, her crap, their crap......it dosen't matter really, just learn/discern/transmute it and move on to the next phase. This is what the Solstice's do for us all; dredge up deeper level crap so we can learn and transmute "it" whatever "it" may be for each of us.

Personally I don't know much about the Fire the Grids woman (sorry I don't remember her name) so I can't say one way or the other about what all she's doing. What I do know is that we all must learn to discern everything or we'll just keep getting knocked around by all the wild n' wooly crazy intensity and chaos that is our world and reality now.

There's certain reasons why all of these dates (7-7-07 and 7-17-07 and even some more in Aug and Sept) are the big buzz right now and IMO, all of these planned physical "events" are related to the current cosmic energies earth/humanity is being affected by. This happens every year at this time because things move, things orbit and certain stellar energies suddenly flood the planet/humanity at certain times each year because of this. These planned "events" reflect the cosmic cycles or transits of certain stars and planets......they are not the sole ways and means that these changes are brought about IMO. They are physical reflections, reactions to larger unseen cosmic triggers IMO. Important? Yes, but they are not directly what's causing the changes that will soon follow - my opinion however, discern for yourselves. ;)

On the "Fire the Grid" day, 7-17-07, Pluto will make another exact conjunction to the degree and minute with the center of the Milky Way galaxy (Galactic Center = GC). A coincidence? I doubt it seriously. What I do believe is that this cosmic event alone will drastically help humanity to cast off the old "crap" as I called it earlier, and move forward as expanded and changed beings. Am I saying that this change will show instantly in assholes around the planet? Sadly no. This one orbit of Pluto and the GC has been on-going from 2006-2007 and slightly into 2008! It's a process and these different planned events happening at the same time are aspects of it showing up already.

tinmenace

15-07-2007, 02:11 AM

Thank you Lapis :)

edit

15-07-2007, 03:33 AM

Fire the grid ..or not ?

What of the changes will be... if any?

******************- DON’T Fire the Grid (http://www.***********************/bbs/message.php?messageid=411851&mpage=1&showdate=7/14/07&forum=1)

Anonymous Coward
User ID: 266454DON’T Fire the Grid
7/14/2007 7:41 PM

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Let me tell you why. The fire the grid campaign is another agenda by the dark forces and there is ample evidence of this. In general, global meditations of all kinds are created with good intentions and people participate with a desire for positive change on the planet. However, most people are unaware of the workings of energy, even the energy of their own bodies, let alone the energies of group consciousness, the energies of the earth, and yes the energy manipulation abilities of the dark forces of planet earth. The average Joe participant in a global meditation ASSUMES that the energy he has offered into the meditation has gone to the greater good, to love and light, to peace and higher vibration, but the truth of the matter is, this energy more often than not is abducted, so to speak and used for a much different agenda. You see when we join energies, we are indeed very powerful. The problem is there are so few people on the planet knowledgeable enough to wield this group power we create to be used for the intended purpose. Unfortunately most of the beings with this knowledge are dark beings.
The reason? They have been controlling the world for a long time and controlling what we learn and believe. Only a few people tread the inner path far enough to gain the same level of knowledge on working with large amounts of energy as the masters of dark forces who carefully pass the information along among them selves to select initiates that are trained from childhood.
In essence we meditate and turn this power over, not knowing or caring who it is being turned over to. Many people believe the Ascended Masters are handling it. But it is power of earthly beings with form and we must handle our own power, Ascended Beings in spirit do not have permission to interfere in the affairs of man. There are Ascended beings on earth with form, some of us are aware of this, some are not, they are called Dharljas, (less than 200 of them) but they also cannot interfere and simply take this power to apply our intent. We would, as a whole, have to ask them to take the power from a particular meditation and they would have to AGREE to do so, as they cannot be responsible for all the people of the earth. This is universal law. The problem is the beings of love respect and work within universal law and the beings of darkness do whatever they want and do not abide by universal laws. The end result is every time the powers of darkness need an infusion of our energy to continue to maintain their veil of ignorance over us. They “inspire” some good intentioned but open and unprotected person to bring up the next big global meditation and we freely give them out power.
What a great con they have going and we keep participating because we are desperate for change, for love, for peace, for the world to make sense to our hearts.
This particular meditation fire the grid is an especially slick production. The open person to “inspire”, is a woman people relate to, a woman whose life sucked so immensely that any improvement would be momentous to her, leading her to have great passion for the cause that would change her life. Her story is an emotional one and she is real in her sharing of the story, her life has been changed. The agenda however is clearly available upon scrutiny, although this is one of the better presentations I’ve seen in a long time.
The way in which the dark energies work their agendas is consistent, they take things that are truth and that are important to us and they make them the center point of the particular “project” and they weave them together in ways that we are used to, and relate to. Then they insert small aspects of their real plan, right in the middle of two really big emotional core positive truthful issues so that we go from the emotion of the one positive point to the next point ignoring the part in the middle we should be scrutinizing. The metaphysical movement of the early century was infiltrated and used in this way becoming the New Age movement. At the beginning it was about 90 percent basic metaphysical principals and 10 percent their agenda, but as time has gone by, almost nothing in the current New Age movement can be trusted.
Some uses of this technique are so badly done that they are hilarious to read by people who are aware. Others are quite well woven. In the early 90’s the Ashtar Command had some well written propaganda that many people integrated into their belief system and still hold onto today. The Ashtar Command are in fact, a group of dark entities. They have no ships and are a complete fabrication of the illusion put upon us. They created the fear agenda of the earth changes, which are simply a natural process of the planet and started the promises of being saved in ships and the ET contact that the dark forces planned to use to force us through the fear of space invaders into a global government. These techniques have been used with lies to convince even the most die hard conspiracy buffs to believe we are in imminent ET danger. Here is a news flash, the reptilians and the greys are not ETs. They were in fact created right here on earth and share earth human DNA and animal DNA from, animals currently alive and extinct. True ETs work with the universal law of non interference and would in fact not have the knowledge to leave their own planets if they were not in harmony with the universal.
The reason the reptilians and greys can screw with humans and this world we live in is because they are earthlings! During the times of earth changes past, when we have lost our technological knowledge they retained theirs and used it against us. They aligned them selves with the dark forces and it has been earth civil spiritual war every since. The truth of the matter is, they hate themselves and want to be fully human as they are not in an image the Creator brought forth, but an image brought forth by the ignorance of human interference, thinking we had mastery over the Creation process, this is why they hate humans, this time it was them that believed they had mastery over the Creation process. But like the earth all things seek homeostasis and Divine Principle of life will give all things rebirth.
The concept of ascension was also high jacked early on by the dark forces, using these same techniques. They used the popularity of channeling to accomplish this. There are people who are actually channeling (communicating) with spirit beings of light, but most channelers are just people who were open to receive information input into their mind. Some of this is accomplished through spiritual techniques some of it is accomplished through the use of technology. A key to this manipulation is that these people all channel the same entities and offer the same message, at times almost word for word. St. Germaine, & Archangel Michael are two of the favorites. The reality is there is no reason for everyone to talk to the same entities, we each have our own guide and angel, if you are talking to spirit those two beings and your own higher self is who you should be talking to. No one else should have contact without the permission of your life guide. Now the disinformation spread by these fake channels (who completely believe in what they are doing) is considered common truth thus strengthening the veil, that keeps us in ignorance.
What this current group of dark entities has done with Shelly Yates of fire the grid, is one of the better uses of this technique. She believes it all, so on the conscious level you hear truth from her, she is compelling and you want to believe her, it is altruistic, it speaks to the part of the heart that believes in the inherent good in people, but pay attention to some of the details.
First there is no definition of the grid, or what firing the grid means, and exactly what grid as there are in fact thousands. As a person who’s whole life purpose is working with grids this is an over sight beyond measure. The one description in the nine part video on youtube.com is that the earth’s field is made of little hexagons, smaller versions of the personal field of each individual. This was one WAKE UP moment while watching the video! This is absolutely false. The closest thing we could come to that description is the human group consciousness and while it affects those of us here on earth, it is a human grid not an earth grid. That group consciousness grid is the one that is veiled by the dark forces so that we humans have a difficult time tapping into truth, and moving our personal consciousness beyond the limited belief of the whole as instilled by the mind programming from birth by the powers in control. That is not now, nor has it ever been an earth grid.
There are several earth grids and they do play a significant role in group meditations because we use our bodies to give and receive energies and we use the earth and her leylines to do so from body to body and the group consciousness transfers energies from soul to the whole. When we are together in group we often join hands to transfer the energies to one another when we cannot be in the same place we use the body of our earth mother to join with us. It is like she has millions of hands that reach out where there is a gap between us that needs to be bridged. Humans have always connected their own personal grids with the earth grids in various ways. This is in fact the number one battlefield between the workers of the creator and the dark forces. The dark forces knowing the general public has lost this knowledge set up grids within sections of the earth grid they use to control us. They did so with permanent physical expressions at key power spots, one such example is the Washington Memorial obelisk. This holds a point of a power grid that was formed with the early government of the United States. I have spent years tearing apart these grids that do not belong here, or in the case of ones anchored in a permanent structure we find ways to transform the energy then take the grid and integrate it into love and it becomes one of our grids to empower the whole instead of one of their ways to disempower the whole. I am going to get back to grids in a little bit but I want to go back to some detail on the fire the grid event.
Here are a couple examples of the technique discussed as used in the fire the grid video of Shelly.
Example one
Emotional core positive truthful issue:
Shelly being enveloped in great love in the car on the way to Montreal and having to pull over weeping (very emotional)
Disinformation packaged in the middle
You can use the energy to heal a dying boy, you can use the same energy to heal a dying planet. This one phrase hooks us into one great fear that our planet is dying, or that we are killing her, and it ties into our overall knowing that the situation on the planet seems to be hopeless (ie dying) You have to stop and back off from the emotions this evokes and bring forth critical thinking. Our planet is not now nor was she ever dying! We do not need to save her the way the little boy was saved. Many of us have long had inside us this desperate feeling of needing to save the planet. But that is multifaceted; one part is the mind control programming, one part is many of us were incarnating on the planet that was destroyed, where the asteroid belt is now and have unresolved feeling about that, and one part is knowing that we currently have the same technology to destroy this planet in the same way. But this planet is not sick or dying! What we humans have put upon her is capable of killing humans and animals, it’s not good we have to stop, but it doesn’t even compare to a good case of the flu to her. She will go on with or without us as long as we don’t implode her.
Emotional core positive truthful issue:
Getting validation finally through the event that leads to meeting Dr. Steven Greer (also very emotional to get validation of something you want to believe but fear)
Example Two
Emotional core positive truthful issue:
Food, water and shelter for every person on the earth no matter what, not based on economics ( a huge emotional plea for any of us with a heart)
Disinformation packaged in the middle
We will have a global council ruling and controlling the money that will no longer go to little charities but will come to the one big charity to feed and house everyone.
HELLO!
Are you paying attention yet? Global council of who? Who do you trust with the trillions that would be required to do this work. Sounds like global government to me, same old agenda different face. After all, can this one altruistic charitable organization be expected to wade through the red tape of almost 200 individual governments to do its important work. I know lots of people that I trust and love and respect, but give the group of them trillions of dollars to help the needy in any way they want, and then add in the influence of the dark forces that would then be exerted upon them even in the best of scenarios no mortal could hold that power with integrity, in the current world model.
Emotional core positive truthful issue:
The concept that the indigo children will take over in 2012 and do all the real work ( in other words just meditate now, and that all that is required of you, whew what a relief, we can have that over with by next week)
This second example has a trick in the second emotional core, because it includes truth and disinformation so if you question at all, you may disregard this statement but keep the global rule part presented above it. This second core says there are indigo children, which is true, and plays on our knowledge that 2012 is an important time which we also know to be true. The lie is that the indigo children will just take over and all we have to do is get through this fire the grid meditation and then dump the responsibility on them. She then further goes on to say that there are billions of 15 year old indigos who will be able to vote in 2012.
SAY WHAT?
Even if she misspoke and meant to say millions, vote? Where? The U.S.? Are we the key to the world domination plan here in the U.S.? Not every country lets 18 year olds vote, nor does it makes sense that she tells us the indigos think differently than we do, but they are just going to change everything by voting in the same system. Ummm. I think changing by vote, would require candidates to vote for, that are not part of the dark agenda, and a voting system not controlled by the dark agenda’s cash.
Its also absurd to anyone who is aware of the higher vibration people being born on the planet for the time of transition, that they are all miraculously 15. The indigos as they have been called have been coming for quite some time, some are around 50 and they were a core of the anti Vietnam war movement.
2012 is important because it is a rebirth point for the earth, the beginning a new cycle. All things have rebirth points; humans have the obvious rebirth point of reincarnation, getting a new body. But within this life we have the rebirth point of the body every seven years. As we move closer to ascension and activate various energies our rebirth point increases in frequency. This is often referred to as the quickening or the awakening. As the earth nears her rebirth point it creates a vibrational influence that affects all life and makes activating higher vibrational frequencies within us easier, another fact the dark forces want to keep from us.
The desperation to maintain control and keep the veil intact through the 2012 rebirth is the obsession of the dark forces. It is a war they have long since lost, but they are determined to continue on in the attempt to take their stranglehold of soul slavery into the next millennia. All their efforts are being thwarted day by day and they are at their wits end, so to speak. This is an excerpt from a previous blog entry that then ties into the fire the grid manipulation.
July 7, 2007 - Every year in July the power elite do ceremony at the Bohemian Grove in northern California, these ceremonies have included human sacrifice and are attended by well known people from around the world. This is a boy’s only club, making it clear that even when women are in power in the world their power only goes so far, and the big boys are calling the shots, or… were calling the shots!The day after the summer solstice this year a group of grid workers were able to dismantle the grids of the grove, which would prevent the energy of their ceremony from being spread around the world. We knew this would lead them to take some desperate measures, as they believe the grove ceremonies are what allow them to remain in power here in the United States. We waited, watched, and prepared for all contingencies as July drew near and they would have to take some sort of action before the ceremonies began.Today was the day they unveiled their new plan to spread the energies, they tapped the 7-7-7 ceremonies and music celebrations for climate change (an illuminati created issue unto itself) creating person to person grids instead of planetary grids. They put key spiritually powerful people into these locations. Some consciously knew what they were doing others were people who are unaware they were open to manipulation. They intended to use this unified focus on the planet to send an energy line to the key people who would then connect it to others open in the moment to the cause and they would be sending energy to family and friends in their prayers and it would continue on that way. This plan however has been thwarted and stopped the energy lines to the key people preempted and there is no avenue for the grove ceremony energies to be spread in the world.Note : When I say the climate change thing is an illuminati issue, it is because the whole global warming hype is their attempt to convince us we need one global government to save the planet. Global warming is NOT human created! We are in a natural cycle of the earth and sun in that respect, and in fact a universal cycle is in play at this time as well. That does not mean we have not done awful things to the earth and need to stop, but global climate change would be here even if we were still tribal nomads with no technology whatsoever.Incidentally this is not 7-7-7 at all ,because numerology doesn’t work that way, you have to add the 2 of 2007 and it is 7-7-9. 7-7-7 was two years ago ,the same was true when people did all the 3-3-3 and 4-4-4 crap, discernment is the biggest key of any spiritual path
On the 8th of July these same grid workers were able to pull from the earth ancient conglomerate entities that were embedded into the earth, like a dark entity will take over a human body and embed into the heart chamber, making it difficult for healers who know how to do entity detachment to remove, (as most entity attachment is just that, attachment to the outer grids of the human). These conglomerate entities have been in the earth for thousands of years and the dark forces used them to anchor the veil and hold key points in the grids they control. This one aspect of the veil was released with these unnatural entities being returned to light source. The first result of this work occurred on July 9th when I found the protection grid that surrounds my residence surrounded by earthbound spirits.
When these conglomerate entities were no longer holding the invisible dimension of the earth in their control, masses of earthbound entities realized they were not where they belonged, and were naturally drawn to grids created in love seeking a way to return to their higher selves. The grid workers quickly created tunnels of light for them to return to spirit. Thousands returned home. This was to the dismay of the dark forces, who regularly use the earthbound to do their dirty work. It serves their agenda to keep as many as possible earthbound because a higher self cannot ascend in spirit without the return of all parts of it’s being to the whole. Nor can any part of their whole ascend on the earth to become a Dharlja if one part is trapped earthbound. This changes the whole game, and they know it.
The Bohemian Grove ceremony is a 17 day ceremony, so while they are still there plotting and planning in desperation, things continue to look more and more bleak for them, due to the hard work of a small group of people who have dedicated their lives to defeating the dark agenda, by learning the ancient knowledge and taking control of the grids and retuning them to Divine Principal.
Their next plan while they are still at the grove … To use FIRE THE GRID on 7-17 to send out their negative ceremonial energies to control the planet. Is this where you want your light, love, and peace energies to go? 7-17-2007 was chosen for specific reasons. For one, the dark forces knew they would be in the grove ceremony, and would be able to use the energies as they chose to further their agenda. They also love to manipulate the numbers. In this case it is the 17th and they have a 17 day ceremony. 17 is an 8 in numerology, which is infinity, the symbol that Shelly was told to tattoo onto her body. 8 is the number of abundant prosperity which is the dark force obsession, controlling the world’s money to keep us in slavery. And the mathematical equations of all of Creation are equations that go on infinitely, and they want to be in control for eternity.
They chose the 11:11 time, as always, because 11 is a numerology master number the number of ascended beings, whose energy and power they would like to have, but that cannot manifest in darkness. All the 11:11 events have been dark force orchestrated. If someone decided that 5:26 was a sacred time and got it into the group consciousness you would find yourself looking at the clock all the time when it was 5:26! Pure manipulation. The total number for the date is a 6 this is a key number to grid workers. Because it represents the Enochian star (aka star of David). This is the sacred symbol of the Order of Enoch, who are the universal grid workers. This symbol has been high jacked like so many others, over the thousands of years of dark energy abuse. It represents the concept of “as above so below” It is how they create the veil of control over us. They created the grid of control above and anchored it to the earth and we below act within this limited view of our world, and don’t see our Divine inheritance and true power.
The pentacle is the symbol of the Dharljas, the humans the dark forces despise the most, which is why they turned it upside down and made it their symbol of evil. We can destroy the veil, but we must stop empowering it first, by turning our power over. The key to global change is changing ourselves as individuals. We don’t have the power to change other people. We may inspire them, but we cannot change them. We must each raise our own vibration to uplift the whole. What would happen if we instantly and massively raised the vibration of the collective consciousness? Many of us would experience amazing bliss and joy, but the lowest vibration people on the planet would be unable to handle it gracefully and would likely act out, creating even more horrible atrocities in the world. If the Dharljas step out into public and show the true Divine Inheritance that is the birthright of us all this could also be an unfortunate side effect, because the group consciousness would be significantly heightened immediately. We must unravel the veil and remove the power of the dark forces permanently and we have all the elements in hand to do so in the next five months.
The time to step up with this work is now, because with all the energetic and grid avenues to remain in power thwarted, the powers of darkness are planning to turn to technology that will create earthquakes and volcanic eruptions. The purpose is to create worldwide destruction before the 2012 rebirth. This will give them the global government they want. They will then claim it was all natural, and they are just trying to save the poor suffering people with their slavery.
Responses to quotes off the reverse speech site (linked below) discussing fire the grid, are included here to add clarity on the nature of grids. [link to www.evpreversespeaking.com]
“The grid that the grid workers are talking about firing up is in fact what has been put in place to blast the harmful net out of existence” Sandi
There is no grid that has the purpose of blasting the harmful net (veil) out of existence. It is not possible to blast it out of existence with a grid. It is in fact, a grid unto itself that does not belong around the earth. To remove grids they have to be unraveled and disassembled and like the proverbial giant roll of string you have to find the end of the string to even begin to unravel the ball. Individuals have found this and done the unraveling personally but they cannot do it for everyone. It is the hundredth monkey principle. For the veil to fall a large enough number of us must each individually unravel the ball until the group consciousness is imbued with the knowledge of how to do it readily. At that point, it cannot be maintained for anyone any longer, and the whole is freed.
“But the net is the net and our prison” Peggy
The veil keeps our perceptions limited and keeps us from knowing that we are divine and empowered, which is how the dark ones want it. But the term net used in reversed speech can be used for any grid, because the correct sounds for the word grid, in reversals are not there, net is the common term. Because the work done by most doing reverse speech is to root out the negative agendas of the dark ones, they are often reversed speaking about various aspects of the veil a form of a grid to limit us. As well as discussing various aspects of the grids that we are attempting to take from them to use for love or the grids they are attempting to take from us. However within each and every one of us is the power to pierce the veil, that is what they don’t want us to know. If enough of us understood that, the veil would fall and be gone forever! It requires our participation to continue, these global meditations are the very thing they use to keep the veil strong.
“A grid is time/space. Light is not; we have no real common language apart from mathematics to describe light” Spooky
A grid can have time space elements but there are in fact no human words to explain all the aspects that grids are. All physical matter is made up of grids as well as the things we consider non physical, Grids are in fact made of light, divine love, (which is an aspect of God and is not what we understand as human love) thought, and intent. The light that is used is not the visible light that we perceive and quantify in the world. It emits a brightness of a sort to the soul/spirit and the visual light that we get in our minds that is not of the physical eyes. Mathematics in fact is the language of grids but the specific mathematics have not been applied by mortals. If humans had this particular set of mathematical principals (and the understanding therein), what we consider physical laws like gravity and aspects of physics could be obscured at will, which is one of the many things a Dharlja can do.
“There is no positive/light energy grid nor negative energy grid, just the net. No one at this time gets out of here dead or alive for that matter” atomic240
The grids are made and have intent, but the positive or negative aspect of them depends on who is in control of any given grid. If the dark forces have control of a grid, they use it to send negative energy out to all it affects. In fact people do get out both dead an alive. The veil is difficult and painful to pierce but it is done by those who ascend with their last potential/aspect returning to spirit in completion and ascending, and with those who stand forth which is ascending on the earth, becoming a Dharlja. Dharljas can also become Avatars which means they can disassemble the atoms of their bodies and return to spirit and reassemble them and return to the planet at any time. The term Avatar has come to have an incorrect meaning over the centuries in the east and is currently applied to respected teachers that are not in fact Avatars.
Ascension on the earth (becoming a Dharlja) is not leaving the planet. No ships, no ETs or changing dimensions, the 3D, 4D, 5D stuff is just more new age dark energy terminology that is meaningless. The Dharljas are right here with us. If they want they can adjust their vibration not to be seen but they are in the same dimension as us. If you live in a crowded city, you may have walked right past one in the street and never known it.
“Can a being of such darkness create the feeling of being a being of light? And how do you know?” Deann
Yes, and here is why. First of all original source and the nature of all beings is Divine Principle, no matter how far an entity has strayed, that is still within them and they can use it. Secondly, there is the perspective aspect. They consciously chose a woman who had known no real love and attention in her life and chose her for a task. Given this other worldly attention in itself was an overwhelming feeling she had never experienced. In essence she was being told “you matter to us” a message she never received in life. The other aspect of perception is that this entity could still have been a higher vibration than her at that moment, considering that he has an conscious knowledge of how to heal the child, he is one of the more sophisticated dark entities. Many of these beings went very far on a spiritual path and then consciously chose to align with darkness. His vibration being still higher than hers and embracing her would have been a feeling of love and bliss to her.
She readily admits to being on Prozac depressed for 20 years. These kind of mind altering substances are used to dumb us down and keep us tied to the veil. They lower our vibration the longer they are used. This is true of all mind altering substances, including alcohol. This is why the dark forces love these substances and they love us to indulge in them. If they can make the world so stressful that we want more and more of them all the better for their agenda. Anyone wanting to ascend and pierce the veil will at some point have to cease all use of mind altering substances. Being on a mind altering substance makes you open to dark manipulation through you, as you are unable to tend your own energies and protection while under the influence. This further complicates global meditations if participants are in any way under the influence.
“if you are looking for negative then that is what you will find” Deann
This statement is right out of the dark energy handbook, classic new age propaganda, it is one of the ways they keep us in line by saying we don’t have the right to question and to scrutinize. That if we question we are being negative and judgmental, when in fact, we are attempting to discern, which is our responsibility as creator beings, who are fully responsible for all we create and co create in this world.
“She never said anything about focusing the energy of the grid anyway. What she said was to do something that makes you happy, mediate or pray for one hour on that day at that hour for the healing of the planet. That’s all” Deann
Exactly the point she never said anything about focusing the energy!!!!!! Why the hell not? If she is planning a global meditation she has the responsibility to know where the energy is going, how it is going there and why. She is essentially asking millions of people to trust her and she has no idea what will happen to the energy. That’s because the dark being didn’t tell her they already have a dark plan for the energy she will bring them through her “project”. That plan, continued global slavery. This is a simple 1+1 equation.
Think about this:
1 global slavery agenda
+ 1 focus on what makes you happy
= global slavery makes us happy!
That’s what we are giving them by FIRING THE GRID
DON’T DO IT!
Engtovo Bhodsvatan - July 12, 2007
[link to www.spiritnexus.com]
[link to engtovo.wordpress.com]

Dor-is-Day - Que Sera Sera (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FKyjZZ2iZak)

lookfar

15-07-2007, 04:05 AM

Wow, interesting post edit. As well as all the other info, I hadn't actually thought about the Bohemian Grove rituals taking place at the same time... joins some more dots for me now. Thanks for sharing :)

ho1ogram

15-07-2007, 06:05 AM

Thanks a lot edit, that's put a lot of things into perspective for me. It clears up stuff about indigo children, how people see manipulating forces as positive, individual power co-opted by larger agendas, etc... yeah, it struck a chord for me, thanks :)

mcmenek1

15-07-2007, 10:02 PM

Hi,

According to Matthew Ward Fire the Earth grid on the 17th of July will be a positive event for us and the earth:

Matthew Ward Quote:

"Tuesday, July 17th, starting at 11:11 a.m. Greenwich time, an off-planet energy surge will activate the light grid surrounding Earth, and as your collective light mingles with that incoming energy, the unprecedented light intensity not only will “fire the grid” as Earth rotates throughout your day, but it will be anchored within selves and your planet. Each soul participating will spend one hour, starting in the respective time zone, in contemplative BEing. This can be whatever is most comfortable and familiar to you—meditation; prayer; envisioning Earth in golden white light; focusing on peace, harmony and cooperation among all humankind; feeling gratitude for life’s blessings and the natural beauty of your homeland planet; listening to quiet inspirational music; feeling connected with God and all other life throughout the universe; or any combination of those or whatever else fills your heart with light and your mind with peacefulness.

The healing love energy of lighted souls throughout the universe will be with you throughout that time of major importance in the transformation of your world."

Source: http://www.matthewbooks.com/mm/anmviewer.asp?a=78&z=2

Just a thought.......would "The Powers That Be" not be really worried about a positive event like this taking place and do their very best to stop it taking place........the best way for them to stop this event taking place would be to spread disinformation about it to put people off from taking part.......this is a high vibration event.........high vibration and "The Powers That Be" do NOT go together.......do not be put off from taking part in this event by the disinformation being spread about it.......remember love energy is the strongest force in the universe and and will never do anyone any harm........:)

Love
&
Peace

lapis

16-07-2007, 03:34 AM

"....an off-planet energy surge will activate the ...."

That "off planet energy surge" IS Pluto conjuncting/aligning to the exact degree and minute with the GC on Tuesday July 17, 2007! Thanks for sharing that quote from M. Ward mcmenek1.

Like you I feel the "powers-that-be" are frantic at this point for the simple reason that they've always known about these huge cosmic evolutionary energy leaps that humanity and our solar system would be experiencing from 1987-2011. We're the ones just learning about all these things! And this one is a very "high vibration event" as you correctly said; I'm referring to the cosmic alignment between Pluto and the GC!

"One cannot go higher than they are vibrating. Its a simple law of dimensional hierarchies." K. Bishop

It amazes me how so many people at forums like this so easily, so quickly, always hand-over so much power to the very people/groups/elite that they claim to hate! :confused: If you hate them and want to really change things, why do you continuously, automatically assume (lord I'm not talking to you mcmenek1!!!) that the old planetary controllers will continue on to be the "powers-that-be" always? Why do so many of you believe them to be sooooo powerful and that nothing at all will ever change or ever overpower them? That their reign of terror will never cycle down and finish? If you really hate them, stop feeding them yourselves with your own beliefs that they are invincible! Their time is rapidly coming to an end (my opinion and many others) but I'm sure those who believe them to be forever all powerful can continue existing with them.

Again, that last paragraph was NOT directed at you mcmenek1.

bigus_dickus

16-07-2007, 05:19 AM

It amazes me how so many people at forums like this so easily, so quickly, always hand-over so much power to the very people/groups/elite that they claim to hate! :confused: If you hate them and want to really change things, why do you continuously, automatically assume (lord I'm not talking to you mcmenek1!!!) that the old planetary controllers will continue on to be the "powers-that-be" always? Why do so many of you believe them to be sooooo powerful and that nothing at all will ever change or ever overpower them? That their reign of terror will never cycle down and finish? If you really hate them, stop feeding them yourselves with your own beliefs that they are invincible! Their time is rapidly coming to an end (my opinion and many others) but I'm sure those who believe them to be forever all powerful can continue existing with them.

that paragraph makes me ask: then why is "fire the grid" needed?

phoenix1

16-07-2007, 01:02 PM

Why do so many of you believe them to be sooooo powerful and that nothing at all will ever change or ever overpower them? That their reign of terror will never cycle down and finish? If you really hate them, stop feeding them yourselves with your own beliefs that they are invincible! Their time is rapidly coming to an end (my opinion and many others)

Thanks Lapis.. Exactly... all is contained within cycles and all is in movement, all cycles terminate, and others begin.. They know fullwell their time is very rapidly coming to a close.. this Precessional "year" is nearly done ... all will packed away and depleted... Like Lapis says (elsewhere)... this indicates the "True New Age" it relates to cycles of "The Great Year" The precession of the Equinoxes "The precessional year." bieng a 12th part.. this time Aquarius,, last precessional 12th bieng Pisces

All things have their "Time" but co creation is allways at work.. it doesn't have a day off, and is constantly working in the foreground and the background... iff the changes are not immediatly apparrent... they are deffinately happening.;):):)

Love You Lapis:p My True Dear Friend and Life ally...

(staying nicely earthed and not taking bait (from anyone);)

See ya soon as I post here less and less and less. I need a little time to contemplate the Sirius connections.
;)

john white

16-07-2007, 01:11 PM

I see no reason why "I" cannot "be Defined" as "Infinate"

john white

16-07-2007, 01:12 PM

You know I'm in one of those awkward places today where I don't seem to quite see things the same as other people but have to try and express myself anyway

On the one hand we seem to have people inspired and lifted by the Fire the Grid message, some of them New Ager’s who embrace anything, some inspired for the first time.

On the other hand we seem to have people asking various questions and finding what appear to be good reasons to be dubious and doubt "where this is coming from" and conclude its part of some manipulation

I'm not satisfied with either position: because it seems to me that’s its not a simple matter of duality (but then, it seems to me that duality is actually the illusion that controls: is this dit or is this dot? but what about ditot?)

We are coming to a crunch, where we have the info we have, we know what we know, and we have to say: am I going to act, or am I not? Am I going to focus on what we have in common to build a shared future, or focus on what we have apart and not act because everyone else in the world is not the same as me?

Let’s put it this way: are "dark forces" going to be out to manipulate and use an event like "fire the grid"

Well that’s an oxymoron isn’t it? Since when have "dark forces" not been ready to use and manipulate anything genuine that could break their spell and weaken their "power"

Is that an excuse to never come together in anything, ever, because we can always find evidence for "them" playing silly buggers?

Isn't that, in itself, another form of control?I'm not saying what anyone else should say, think or feel, but I've decided that I am me, I am free, and it’s better to have my participation in this event where I can do my part to influence, than not take part and let "the others" influence anyway

And that all the "power" the Dark powers have anyway: the power to influence

Who do we believe in more?

"Them"

Or ourselves

No contest for me, what about you?

Lets make it happen

phoenix1

16-07-2007, 02:34 PM

I see no reason why "I" cannot "be Defined" as "Infinate"

Infinite cannot be defined ..can it ?? Hmm The Infinite Number 1 (In Egyptian Sciences, later Pythagoreanism..it was and is the first unity in which ALL was contained.
Any other number bieng tied to, and aspected to contain the Infinite 1. BUT The infinite 1 was the cause of ALL.

Interesting thread there John.. (Define Infinite) maybe ??

Interesting take on the Fire The Grid deffinition John.

have a cool day dude:cool:

tru3

16-07-2007, 03:39 PM

You know I'm in one of those awkward places today where I don't seem to quite see things the same as other people but have to try and express myself anyway

many thanks for this post, john.

i'm in an awkward place as well: i don't see things the same either, but in my case words fail. :)

On the one hand we seem to have people inspired and lifted by the Fire the Grid message, some of them New Ager’s who embrace anything, some inspired for the first time.

On the other hand we seem to have people asking various questions and finding what appear to be good reasons to be dubious and doubt "where this is coming from" and conclude its part of some manipulation

I'm not satisfied with either position: because it seems to me that’s its not a simple matter of duality (but then, it seems to me that duality is actually the illusion that controls: is this dit or is this dot? but what about ditot?)

Late Lament
Graeme Edge
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Breathe deep the gathering gloom
Watch lights fade from every room
Bedsitter people look back and lament
Another day's useless energy spent

Impassioned lovers wrestle as one
Lonely man cries for love and has none
New mother picks up and suckles her son
Senior citizens wish they were young

Cold hearted orb that rules the night
Removes the colours from our sight
Red is grey and yellow, white
But we decide which is right
And which is an illusion

We are coming to a crunch, where we have the info we have, we know what we know, and we have to say: am I going to act, or am I not? Am I going to focus on what we have in common to build a shared future, or focus on what we have apart and not act because everyone else in the world is not the same as me?

i am a healer by nature, and my guide is "first, do no harm". i have read and processed all the concerns expressed in this thread as best i can.

the only thing i know for sure is that the only way to increase the power of love is to share it. not just tomorrow, but every day, as best we can.

if one does nothing but go about one's business tomorrow with care and kindness, perhaps that's enough.

Let’s put it this way: are "dark forces" going to be out to manipulate and use an event like "fire the grid"

Well that’s an oxymoron isn’t it? Since when have "dark forces" not been ready to use and manipulate anything genuine that could break their spell and weaken their "power"

Is that an excuse to never come together in anything, ever, because we can always find evidence for "them" playing silly buggers?

Isn't that, in itself, another form of control?I'm not saying what anyone else should say, think or feel, but I've decided that I am me, I am free, and it’s better to have my participation in this event where I can do my part to influence, than not take part and let "the others" influence anyway

if one believes the loomies in b.g. can 'take' the love energy that's being sent into the planet and 'use' it for their own ends, then all bets are off. they're more powerful than anyone could imagine.

i advise unplugging your mind and sitting in a dark room for 24 hours.

good luck with that.

And that all the "power" the Dark powers have anyway: the power to influence

Who do we believe in more?

"Them"

Or ourselves

No contest for me, what about you?

Lets make it happen

i agree, john, but what exactly are we making happen?

it has been said that ecology is not about saving the planet, it's about getting people to agree on how to save the planet.
while that's not quite accurate strictly speaking, we have a similar situation on this forum.

we know the patient's 'sick', but no one can agree on the diagnosis.

imho, it's really sad we haven't been able to create a common vision for this energy gate, like we did with wagga wagga. i'm not real big on nostalgia, but that was an exquisite moment for me.

you see, i have been such a lone wolf all my life, and for a brief, shining moment i felt connected to everyone involved with that project. it was one of the most incredible experiences of my life.

it was a gift for me, and thank you to every one that had the courage to stand in that energy with our peers on this forum saying, "you're nutters".

"how do you know you're in love? you just know it, balls to bones."

what i experienced on the 23rd of march was bone deep. look at the results that showed up on this day. coincidence? i think not.

i can tell you that i did experience a backlash from that event. i don't think i was alone. maybe that's a part of the reluctance to come together again (i'm sorry, "rosie" doesn't count ;))

but here we are, 13 weeks later, and we're still standing. :)

it's never too late. what say you "x persons"? :)

Let it start right here, right now, with us--with you and with me--and with our commitment to breathe into infinity until infinity alone is the only statement that the world will recognize. Let a radical realization shine from our faces, and roar from our hearts, and thunder from our brains--this simple fact, this obvious fact: that you, in the very immediateness of your present awareness, are in fact the entire world, in all its frost and fever, in all its glories and its grace, in all its triumphs and its tears. You do not see the sun, you are the sun; you do not hear the rain, you are the rain; you do not feel the earth, you are the earth. And in that simple, clear, unmistakable regard, translation has ceased in all domains, and you have transformed into the very Heart of the Kosmos itself--and there, right there, very simply, very quietly, it is all undone. Wonder and remorse will then be alien to you, and self and others will be alien to you, and outside and inside will have no meaning at all. And in an obvious shock of recognition--where my Master is my Self, and that Self is the Kosmos at large, and the Kosmos is my Soul--you will walk very gently into the fog of this world, and transform it entirely by doing nothing at all.

http://www.sevenraystoday.com/spiritualitythattransforms.htm

lapis

17-07-2007, 12:55 AM

that paragraph makes me ask: then why is "fire the grid" needed?

In my personal opinion, it isn't! :D Ponder that.

This is what I've been trying to hint at, to point out without rocking the boat too much, and also trying to not insult or take away from anyone about this "fire the grid" event and any other events for that matter.

Instead of this being an either/or or black/white only polarized thing, I've been trying to get across the fact (my opinion its a "fact") that there's a 3rd aspect to all of this that's far beyond polarized consciousness. That is what Pluto conjuncting the GC (in Sagittarius) is literally doing to humanity now. I won't bore anyone with an astrological rant but just say that instead of constanly kicking each other back and forth endlessly in the shins with polarized thinking, step back and wonder for yourselves from a place beyond it. Or not.....:)

tinmenace

17-07-2007, 01:06 AM

I won't bore anyone with an astrological rant...

If you have the energy, I'm all ears (eyes....erm.....you know what I mean!:))

raginggran

17-07-2007, 02:35 AM

Lapis.. I would love to read your astrological rant!
Pluto and the GC ..wow times..

On July 17, 2007 the moon will be exactly conjunct Venus and Regulus at
4:40 AM PDT..in the sign of Virgo..
Seems pretty awesome..

what do you make of this information?
http://www.cyberspaceorbit.com/Lion/Lions_Gate_July_17.htm

Is this an opening in the heavens?

love

phoenix1

17-07-2007, 04:02 AM

Lapis darlin you NEVER bore me .. becauseI KNOW from experinence your prowess is this area, and many more areas. In my whole forum life i've never seen anyone with as much astological wisdom as you have.

Bring on the rant baby... you saved the Phoenix from this fleshly death.. when my job was not completed. And you knew it too.(Thank the Primal Scource you did )

Id love to see the angles, You are right , the new inpending and emerging cyclle will kik out the unnessassary..Earth is a far stronger Unity than the unities living in or on her.

She will make he journeys no matte r what we do=, firing the grid or not. With The Aquarian precessional year , and the Sirius Sothic year.... theres gonna be all kinds of stuff happening. HMMMM wander if its worth posting Sirius in here??? Maybe not as intuition lacks in here somewhat.. I'll join the other one soon.... when I get grounded out again ... its been hectic...I got the Email...

Be on TW soon Ive seen it but didnt know it had the other bit:p;):D

Cheers Lapis..You Diamond you (Ty for the email baby);)

lapis

17-07-2007, 11:09 PM

Hugs of Gratitude Tin and Phoenix1. Interesting how raginggran shares a link that mentions, amoungst many other things, the "Lion's Gate"! ;) People feel it coming which is a great sign. Also thomascovenant and I were talking on another thread about Celia Fenn (unrelated to this topic here however) and yet, she talks each year at this time about the coming opening of the "Lion's Gate" and what that energy is all about.....as does Barbara Hand Clow in her "New Moon" article. Connections and activations.

raginggran,

I very briefly skimmed through that link you left. Wow, lots n' lots of info from those guys! In all honesty, I'd have to slow down and read/sense the whole thing better. From what little I did sense from it all, as usual IMO, these sorts of people researching things like this don't have all the information because they can't (yet) think or perceive like the ancients did so they misunderstand huge chunks of what they're trying to interpret. There is however a small handful of people (writers - lectures) who can and do understand the ancient energies and consciousness and the cosmic/stellar connections they all had.

Because it sounds like you'd enjoy some deeper level astrology (current transits), I'll add a link to the astro section at Clow's site. She can do this soooo much better than I can, so I'll direct you interested souls to her latest astrological interpretations because few do it better than she does!

http://www.handclow2012.com/astroflash.htm

tinmenace

18-07-2007, 12:38 AM

Thank you :)

raginggran

18-07-2007, 01:15 AM

Hi Lapis..

Thanks for the link to Barbara Hand Clow..
I have read her Summer Solstice Chart a few times now
and just again. I am getting clearer on what the energies
being protrayed in the sky relate to at this time .
I am enjoying my day today. I did not wake at 4:11 AM PSD,
but was engaged in a wonderful dream.
This morning I gave thanks and spread my love light to all.
All in all its a magickal day...

love

lapis

18-07-2007, 02:00 AM

I did not wake at 4:11 AM PSD, but was engaged in a wonderful dream.

Me too! I had a powerful dream around that time this morning (I'm in the same time zone as you) that was packed full of great symbols that thankfully I understood. I'd bet many people had potent symbolic dreams last night and early today.

cleopatraxxx

18-07-2007, 03:53 AM

Hey John, Good to see u again on Ickes new forum!

my spacesuit is cool, but i am not having fun n ths life,,,yet...
how can we, with such bad stuff enveloping this planet and it's inhabitants?
otherwise, see you around!
CLeoXXX

cleopatraxxx

18-07-2007, 04:43 AM

lapis

18-07-2007, 09:36 PM

cleopatraxxx,

I'm so glad you liked it. Clow is an amazing "new paradigm" writer and her books are really great! You can check them out at her site too. Also she writes a "New Moon" interpretation each month so remember to check back.

alexph777

16-08-2007, 07:53 AM

Ok, so now in theory the grid has been fired. Do you think that this was another new-age cosmic non-event. It all seems to have gone quite. Not heard much lately about fire the grid. However, as I write this I think I've just been hit with another ELF. If not then divine forces are plasting my ears with a high pitch sounds. :D