DMT naturally in the brain?

[gods sun]

DMT naturally occurs in the brain then how do you trigger it in the human body instead of eating a shroom or any other natural source?

[angeldust]

Hey there GS

Don't quote me on this but i think it's only released when your born or when you die, and sometimes with near death experiences.
I think srooms only enhance the effects that's naturally there?

Maybe ??

Never taken srooms myself so not too sure really

[gods sun]

i heard about the shrooms but afraid off taking them due to side effects and how long it wil stay in your system till it flushs out. or are theses lies?

[dmt head]

Hey im not sure if DMT is released when your born and die, its a bit of a grey area and im not sure. Like what if you got shot in the head with a tank?? Would the DMT be released? Doubt it, if it does happen that is. It has been linked to lots of near death experiences and abduction experiences, kind of makes sense, but I personally dont think people being abducted by aliens is because some DMT got released in their brains, could imagine it happening but I also could imagine aliens literally abducting people!

Mushrooms are very simliar to DMT, Id reccomend them not sure how long they stay in your system though. To experience DMT you could smoke it or take ayahuasca, heres some good links to a good dmt site and ayahuasca forums www.dmt-nexus.com , http://forums.ayahuasca.com/phpbb/

[fergz]

www.erowid.org

DMT to be taken orally like an ayahuasca brew needs MAOI (Monoamine Oxidase Inhibitor)

MAOIs inhibit naturally occurring enzymes in the human body. This inhibition leads to more levels of chemicals such as the neurotransmitters serotonin and dopamine. By slowing their metabolism, MAOIs also allow chemicals such as N,N-DMT, to become active when taken orally.

you can smoke it but like salvia divinorum its short lived and very intense..........
BUT EXTREMLY PLEASANT

[gods sun]

so what sort of plants hav dmt? that i could find in my garden lol

[paganus]

so what sort of plants hav dmt? that i could find in my garden lol
take the 'stringy' bits from about a pound of bananas.dry (microwaves good) then smoke!

[kennethb]

that's bananadine, not dmt

here's a published question by me concerning hallucinatory bananas:

http://www.straightdope.com/columns/020426.html

[dmt head]

Mimosa hostillis purple pink inner root bark has the most dmt in it im sure, chacruna has it as well but for exctraction purposes mimosa is the stuff to get

[paganus]

that's bananadine, not dmt

here's a published question by me concerning hallucinatory bananas:

http://www.straightdope.com/columns/020426.htmlstill good?

[angeldust]

Hey there me again,

DMT released when your born and when you die. this is a book review from the book spirit molecule by Dr Rick strassman


From 1990 to 1995 Dr. Rick Strassman conducted U.S. Government-approved and funded clinical research at the University of New Mexico in which he injected sixty volunteers with DMT, one of the most powerful psychedelics known. His detailed account of those sessions is an extraordinarily riveting inquiry into the nature of the human mind and the therapeutic potential of psychedelics. DMT, a plant-derived chemical found in the psychedelic Amazon brew, ayahuasca, is also manufactured by the human brain. In Strassman's volunteers, it consistently produced near-death and mystical experiences. Many reported convincing encounters with intelligent nonhuman presences, aliens, angels, and spirits. Nearly all felt that the sessions were among the most profound experiences of their lives.

Strassman's research connects DMT with the pineal gland, considered by Hindus to be the site of the seventh chakra and by Rene Descartes to be the seat of the soul. DMT: The Spirit Molecule makes the bold case that DMT, naturally released by the pineal gland, facilitates the soul's movement in and out of the body and is an integral part of the birth and death experiences, as well as the highest states of meditation and even sexual transcendence. Strassman also believes that "alien abduction experiences" are brought on by accidental releases of DMT. If used wisely, DMT could trigger a period of remarkable progress in the scientific exploration of the most mystical regions of the human mind and soul.


and this is his introduction to the book

In 1990, I began the first new human research with psychedelic, or hallucinogenic, drugs in the United States in over 20 years. These studies investigated the effects of N,N-dimethyltryptamine, or DMT, an extremely short-acting and powerful psychedelic. During the project's five years, I administered approximately 400 doses of DMT to 60 human volunteers. This research took place at the University of New Mexico's School of Medicine in Albuquerque, where I was tenured Associate Professor of Psychiatry.

I was drawn to DMT because of its presence in all of our bodies. Perhaps excessive DMT production, coming from the mysterious pineal gland, was involved in naturally occurring "psychedelic" states. These might include birth, death and near-death, psychosis, and mystical experiences. Only later, while the study was well under way, did I also begin considering DMT's role in the "alien abduction" experience.

The DMT project was founded on cutting edge brain science, especially the psychopharmacology of serotonin. However, my own background powerfully affected how we prepared people for, and supervised, their drug sessions. One of these was a decades-long relationship with a Zen Buddhist training monastery.

The Spirit Molecule reviews what we know about psychedelic drugs in general, and DMT in particular. It then traces the DMT research project from its earliest intimations through the maze of committees and review boards to its actual performance.

Our research subjects were healthy volunteers. The studies were not intended to be therapeutic, although all of us believed in the potentially beneficial properties of psychedelic drugs. The project generated a wealth of biological and psychological data, much of which I have already published in the scientific literature. On the other hand, I have written nearly nothing about volunteers' stories. I hope these many excerpts from over 1000 pages of my bedside notes provide a sense of the remarkable emotional, psychological, and spiritual effects of this chemical.

Problems inside and outside of the research environment led to the end of these studies in 1995. Despite the difficulties we encountered, I am optimistic about the possible benefits of the controlled use of these drugs. Based upon what we learned in the New Mexico research, I offer a wide-ranging vision for DMT's role in our lives, and conclude by proposing a research agenda and optimal setting for future work with DMT and related drugs.

The late Willis Harman possessed one of the most discerning minds to apply himself to the field of psychedelic research. Willis, earlier in his career, had published the first and only scientific study using psychedelics to enhance the creative process. When I met him 30 years later in 1994, he was president of Institute of Noetic Sciences, an organization founded by the sixth man to walk on the moon, Edgar Mitchell. Mitchell's mystical experience, stimulated by viewing the Earth on his return home, inspired him to study phenomenon outside the range of traditional science, which nevertheless might yield to a broader application of the scientific method.

During a long walk together along the central California coastal range one day, he said firmly, "At the very least, we must enlarge the discussion about psychedelics." It is in response to his request that I include highly speculative ideas and my own personal motivations for performing this research. This approach will satisfy no-one in every respect. There is intense friction between what we know intellectually or even intuitively, and what we experience with the aid of DMT. As one of our volunteers exclaimed after his first high dose session, "Wow! I never expected that!" Or, as Dogen, a thirteenth century Japanese Buddhist teacher said, "We must always be disturbed by the truth." Enthusiasts of the psychedelic drug culture may dislike the conclusion that DMT has no beneficial effects in and of itself; rather, the context in which people take them is at least as important. Proponents of drug control may condemn what they read as encouragement to take psychedelic drugs and a glorification of the DMT experience. Practitioners and spokespersons of traditional religions may reject the suggestion that spiritual states can be accessed, and mystical information gained, through drugs. Those who have undergone "alien abduction," and their advocates, may interpret as a challenge to the "reality" of their experiences my suggestion that DMT is intimately involved in these events. Opponents and supporters of abortion rights may find fault with my proposal that pineal DMT release at 49 days after conception marks the entrance of the spirit into the fetus.

Brain researchers may object to the suggestion that DMT affects the brain's ability to receive information, rather than generating those perceptions themselves. They also may dismiss the proposal that DMT can allow our brains to perceive dark matter or parallel universes, realms of existence inhabited by conscious entities.

However, if I did not describe all the ideas behind the DMT studies, and the entire range of our volunteers' experiences, I would not be telling the entire tale. At best, The Spirit Molecule would have little effect on the scope of discussion about psychedelics; at worst, the book would reduce the field. Nor would I be honest if I did not share my own speculations and theories based upon decades of study, and listening to hundreds of DMT sessions. This is why I did it. This is what happened. This is what I think about it.

It is so important for us to understand consciousness. It is just as important to place psychedelic drugs in general, and DMT in particular, into a personal and cultural matrix where we do the most good, and the least harm. In such a wide open area of inquiry, it is best that we reject no ideas until we actually disprove them. It is in the interest of enlarging the discussion about psychedelic drugs that I've written The Spirit Molecule.


If you want to know more try to torrent the book ,
my hubby has read it and it makes for an interesting read.

[dmt head]

Yes it is an interesting book, some really far out storys, theres one and a woman flys out of everything and is brought to this place by these huge benevolant beings who assure her that they love her and she is part of them also, she also says the place doesnt vibrate like here, very similiar to what icke goes on about while on the ayahuasca. A lot of what strassman says though is just his theorys, that the pineal gland releases dmt, and also that it floods your brain at birth and death, as I said before, what if you got shot in the head with a tank?? would there be time for the dmt to be released?? I doubt it

[angeldust]

what if you got shot in the head with a tank?? would there be time for the dmt to be released?? I doubt it


Very true statement as i think that if you did have the unfortunate luck to have your head blown off then it only make sense that the pineal glad is not going to have time to release any DMT in to the system

[gods sun]

ayahuasca is it legal in england where can i get this stuff if it is? holland and barret lol

[gods sun]

but surley if dmt is in the brain wuldnt meditation release it? if you tried to tell your body to do so?

[dmt head]

Yes it makes sense, ive been thinking bout that maybe your spirit knows in that split second that its going to get its head blown off and dmt is released, cos when you smoke it its really instant and your spirit leaves your body quite quickly, you suddenly can find yourself in a strange place wondering how you got there totally forgetting that you smoked DMT, ive also read reports of people dying and just before they die they jump out of there body cos they know whats coming as theyve done it before. So maybe it could be released, anythings possible I think!

[dmt head]

Yes ayahuasca is legal, but illegal to brew up im sure check www.maya-ethnobotanicals.com heard there the best, got some cappi off them before but went elswhere as it was less expensive. Ive read a lot of reports of people meditating and they think it could be dmt thats being released when they reach certain states, makes sense!

[marmadukehussy]

i think dmt is with us all the time not just when you are born or when you die, i think dmt is responsible for dreams, and to gods son dont be afraid of the mushroom! dont be afraid ever, the mushroom is a good friend of mine and is a great teacher just like all the other sacred plants, treat them with respect and they will do the same to you.
peace love and harmony to you

[dmt head]

Yes marmaduk I think DMT is responsible for your dreams as well, it makes sense. The mushroom is a good ally of mines too, tho i read someone saying they think the mushroom was just getting him prepared for DMT cos they are very similiar but DMT seems a bit more I dunno like taking it up a notch from mushrooms, I think its very serious and I treat it with the upmost respect as should everyone, do your research dont jump into things cos you could do yourself harm and end up in some scary places! take care !

[catfood]

How can I get sum DMT?:)
http://static.scribd.com/docs/ehlu7tdq03hvv.swf?INITIAL_VIEW=width

[dmt head]

You could extract it yourself catfood, probably the easiest way to get it check out www.dmt-nexus.com theres loads of easy teks there im not sure the one i use sure its marsofold, or similar to it, I was shown by a friend and it really is easy!

[stikmata]

There is a way to naturally release DMT in your brain w/ out years of meditation... though it is quite a commitment, and I'd guess you could go crazy before it even happens.

the method is Light Deprivation.

http://www.universal-tao.com/dark_room/DarkRoom.pdf

here's a fanTASTIC .pdf I found that discusses it... although I couldn't find the main website where a lot of this information was first published. I think it might have been taken down but I recognize some quotes from it in this PDF. I found it by searching "seeing in infrared", because that's one of the things i remember happening from prolonged Light Deprivation .

Apparently, the brain juices 5-Meo-DMT around day 6 or 8 of total light deprivation and then straight up DMT around day 9-12. (No wonder people go nuckin futz when put in "The Hole" when in prison, eh?)

check the .pdf... it goes into great detail... hopefully someone here will have the balls (and means) to give it a go and report back.

[catfood]

I notice wile reading the accounts of dmt trips a similarity between them and experiences I used to have when foolishly experimenting with inhaling petrol vapour, not something I would recommend to anyone.
But I will briefly describe sum of them.
I was sat on a quad bike in a old barn with a 3 friends inhaling strait out the tank, after a very short time hyperventilating with the fumes it started. First a loud rumbling noise in the distance like a huge train. And a vibrating throughout my whole body. My friends were talking but just strange noises were coming out their mouths the conversation seamed to form a paten wound in a loop as if time was jumping like a broken record, this feeling of time repeating got more and more intense until it was like I had fallen out of time completely and the loop I was experiencing was the inter universe looping over and over, it felt like I was stuck for eternity experiencing eternity again and again faster and faster until I was out side of it floating in nothingness with this vast spinning shape in front of me, their was a golden cord coming out of my centre and raped around this shape puling me in to it I was terrified. Then I was back in the barn standing bolt upright in front of the quad bike, I felt totally relived to be back I went outside to see my friends but when I got outside the paten started again and I looked up and part of the sky was missing it then a curd to me that I was on the spinning shape that was pulling me in which terrified me. Slowly after that I returned to reality
Another time I got of the bike and sat down when everything I cud see and hear moved away from me into a little dot in front of me. Then a voice started talking to me it was saying ‘you have got it wrong the games fucked you need to reset it and start again’ it was referring to the little dot in front of me ( my entire life!) then the dot flu forward towards me and I felt it get stuck in my one of back teeth. After retuning to reality I cud feel a strange sensation in my tooth for about an hour afterwards.
Looking back I think that I could have easily died during any of these experiences, and I stress that it might sound cool but don’t bother instead get sum dmt, your body is not designed for petrol.

[catfood]

Thanks for the links.

[gods sun]

what ingredients do i need i suppose u just use those coffee filters?
in tea.

[dmt head]

Should check out www.dmt-nexus.com theres loads of teks there, I use t-shirts to filter the mimosa juice, if you want some info on how my mate does it just pm me ill be happy to share, and theres some interesting reports on there, heres one of mines it was fucked up this really happened! :D http://www.dmt-nexus.com/phpBB2/viewtopic.php?t=1651 check it!! lol

Oh and ive heard of that light deprivation before stikmata, it makes sense and ive heard of monks doing it

[catfood]

Should check out www.dmt-nexus.com theres loads of teks there, I use t-shirts to filter the mimosa juice, if you want some info on how my mate does it just pm me ill be happy to share, and theres some interesting reports on there, heres one of mines it was fucked up this really happened! :D http://www.dmt-nexus.com/phpBB2/viewtopic.php?t=1651 check it!! lol

Oh and ive heard of that light deprivation before stikmata, it makes sense and ive heard of monks doing it

That site is fantastic.
Thank you.
:):):)

[dmt head]

Your welcome ;):):D

[drael]

A DMT analogue is released when you dream, this may be what you are talking about. As such, the answer to your question, how to release it, would be go to sleep.

[crazed]

I remember reading on erowid that DMT is released moments before death, whether this is true or not I can't tell you.

[seer74]

A DMT analogue is released when you dream, this may be what you are talking about. As such, the answer to your question, how to release it, would be go to sleep.

the analogue of which you speak is called melatonin. (smoking marijuana triggers a small release of melatonin, and much is used when dreaming) seratonin, which is always active in the brain is another related compound. actual DMT is present in spinal fluid, but not the brain. Most "psychedelic" drugs are variants of the same basic compounds from LSD to Psylocibin. An enzyme called tryptophan found in fish, poultry, and carrots is the precursor from which your brain produces both melatonin and seratonin. It can also be made into almost every psychedelic drug there is. As for "DMT" releaseing in your brain at the point of death, this is urban myth. At the point of death, yes the brain releases all of its stored neurotransmitters, but DMT is not one of them. DMT and other such drugs do not exist in the brain. These drugs work by, being similliar enough in molecular structure to the neurotransmitters to bond to the receptors in the brain, while different enough to produce an altered effect from what the neurotransmitters actually do. And that is you neurochemistry lesson for the day. :D lol

[marcodrum]

here's video clip that I found on DMT...:D

Joe Rogan talks about DMT - YouTube

[seer74]

here's video clip that I found on DMT...:D

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=grcqs9cDuN8

one more person to perpetuate the legend, geez it could become a religion LOL. your neurotransmitters are chemically SIMILIAR TOO but DIFFERENT FROM DMT. Once again melatonin has been confused with DMT. holy crap.

[free_soul]

i heard about the shrooms but afraid off taking them due to side effects and how long it wil stay in your system till it flushs out. or are theses lies?

Im not sure exactly what sideafects you have heard about so i cant tell you weather they are lies or not however from personal expierence i have found them to be safe (aslong as u dont over do it) you only need aout 7 big ones and the efects are unelieveable.
i havnt had them since before the reclasification in the united kingdom however its an expierience like no other and recomend
(but please dont abuse substances like this people :))