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jagalman
11-03-2007, 01:34 PM
Explore the Tomb and Bones of Jesus!! ex...
That's another clue tells us that jesus was a normal men with a myth!!

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tinmenace
11-03-2007, 05:16 PM
There's no proof Jesus existed.

jagalman
11-03-2007, 06:57 PM
There's no proof Jesus existed.


I know, but what Discovery channel talk about that they found the bones, it could be a normal men with a myth, who knows?

shenoma
11-03-2007, 08:18 PM
How can you say for sure he didn't live? Where is your prove showing all of those people where lying all of this time, even that roman dude that wrote about history? It shouldn't really matter in the end anyways, if you clean strip the bible there are many things that helps people to live a much much better life. Way blame the writers for what the readers did much later? The readers where stupid and dumb people that didn't follow the parts of the book they didn't like, so in a way the bible is totally innocent.

eternal_spirit
11-03-2007, 08:32 PM
How can you say for sure he didn't live? Where is your prove showing all of those people where lying all of this time, even that roman dude that wrote about history? It shouldn't really matter in the end anyways, if you clean strip the bible there are many things that helps people to live a much much better life. Way blame the writers for what the readers did much later? The readers where stupid and dumb people that didn't follow the parts of the book they didn't like, so in a way the bible is totally innocent.

Read the book of revelations(the last part of the Bible) that's not innocent. It's about an angry evil sounding God that comes to earth with his angels(demons) to kill and destroy most of the Earth's population and the antichrist who was also one of God's angels. It's sick sick sick i tell you.

It goes on to say the only way to avoid the wrath of God is to worship him(it) Wake up! if you believe this stuff remove your head firmly from up your backside and see the light of day REALITY The god of the Bible is not a good God.

eternal_spirit
11-03-2007, 08:36 PM
God created Satan there would be no satanists if it wasn't for the Bible.

tinmenace
12-03-2007, 04:14 AM
How can you say for sure he didn't live? Where is your prove .....




How can you say for sure he did live? :)

i am all i am
12-03-2007, 06:15 AM
How can you say for sure he didn't live? Where is your prove showing all of those people where lying all of this time, even that roman dude that wrote about history? It shouldn't really matter in the end anyways, if you clean strip the bible there are many things that helps people to live a much much better life. Way blame the writers for what the readers did much later? The readers where stupid and dumb people that didn't follow the parts of the book they didn't like, so in a way the bible is totally innocent.

"How well we know what a profitible superstition this fable of Christ has been for us and our predecessors."
- Pope Leo X.

THE BIBLE FRAUD - Tony Bushby.

Documented evidence from the church records. The individual that is called Jesus Christ is not who you think. Please read it to enlighten yourself.


With LOVE.
_____________________________

WHEN PAIRED OPPOSITES DEFINE YOUR BELIEFS, YOUR BELIEFS WILL IMPRISON YOU.

shenoma
12-03-2007, 08:18 AM
[QUOTE=i am all i am;15060]"How well we know what a profitible superstition this fable of Christ has been for us and our predecessors."
- Pope Leo X.

THE BIBLE FRAUD - Tony Bushby.

Documented evidence from the church records. The individual that is called Jesus Christ is not who you think. Please read it to enlighten yourself.


With LOVE.
_____________________________

There is much one can learn from the preaching he did, it doesn't really matter to me if he ever lived. It's dumb to simply ignore the bible because so many have misuse the words written in it for their own profit. Read it, learn what will make you a better person, and ignore the rest, I say.

emma royds
12-03-2007, 10:06 AM
There's no proof Jesus existed.

He certainly did exist if we are to believe the geneology, but what or who he was is up for interpretation. Of course he wasn't called Jesus as that comes from the greek meaning "He who saves" The real name of the man who it is claimed performed great miracles is Joshua Ben Miriam.

i am all i am
12-03-2007, 10:14 AM
There is much one can learn from the preaching he did, it doesn't really matter to me if he ever lived. It's dumb to simply ignore the bible because so many have misuse the words written in it for their own profit. Read it, learn what will make you a better person, and ignore the rest, I say.

I have read both the Old and New Testaments.

The 'message of life' is within everything. Much like the hologram, that is, every part being contained within each part.

The bibles in circulation today contain over 14,800 differences and discrepancies. So while I can find the message within the bible, I would prefer to go within and not have to deal with the convoluted rantings of a few people that never even knew 'Jesus'. Isn't it reported that 'Jesus' said, "the knigdom of heaven is within".

The other fact is that it is really astrotheology, sun worship. 'Jesus' (the 'son of God') and the twelve disciples = the sun and the twelve astrological houses (or twelve star signs). It is the same for the 16 dying and resurrecting saviour gods (Krishna, Horus, Mithras, etc.), who were all born on December 25th from a virgin mother. It is the propaganda tool of the cult of the sun.

Reading the bible does not make one a 'better person', otherwise we wouldn't have war in the western (christian) world. Self determination governs your ability to be a 'better person', that is, choice.

However, I respect the fact the you have the freedom to express yourself any way that you so choose. I merely offered you the opportunity to access some knowledge that I perceived to beneficial. You are in no way obliged to accept my offer and I wish you well on your journey.


With LOVE.
__________________________________________

WHEN PAIRED OPPOSITES DEFINE YOUR BELIEFS, YOUR BELIEFS WILL IMPRISON YOU.

emma royds
12-03-2007, 10:16 AM
Read the book of revelations(the last part of the Bible) that's not innocent. It's about an angry evil sounding God that comes to earth with his angels(demons) to kill and destroy most of the Earth's population and the antichrist who was also one of God's angels. It's sick sick sick i tell you.

It goes on to say the only way to avoid the wrath of God is to worship him(it) Wake up! if you believe this stuff remove your head firmly from up your backside and see the light of day REALITY The god of the Bible is not a good God.

Always keep an open mind. I would say how do you know your not being decieved? To you the bible is a nonsense, but to a true christian it is the gospel. How can you be sure you are right and the christians are wrong? Me personally, I like to sit on the fence for now, a lot of what the bible predicts is coming into fruition and there are also some very wise words to be found. Better not to take sides lest you find yourself between J.C's foot and the Devils mouth.

john white
12-03-2007, 10:47 AM
Some of God's greatest hits from Bahai scripture:

Veiled in My immemorial being and in the ancient eternity of My essence, I knew My love for thee; therefore I created thee, have engraved on thee mine image and revealed to thee My beauty

Love Me, that I may love thee. If thou lovest Me not, My love can in no wise reach thee. Know this, my creation

If thou lovest Me, turn away from thyself; and if thou seekest My pleasure, regard not thine own; that thou mayest die in me and I eternally live in thee

And a personal fave:

O SON OF SPIRIT!

I created thee rich, why doest thou bring thyself down to poverty? Noble I made thee, wherewith dost thou abase thyself? Out of the essence of knowledge I gave thee being, why seekest thou enlightenment from anyone beside Me? Out of the clay of Love I moulded thee, how dost thou busy thyself with another? Turn thy sight unto thyself, that thou mayest find Me standing within thee, mighty, powerful and self-subsisting

Read the book of revelations(the last part of the Bible) that's not innocent. It's about an angry evil sounding God that comes to earth with his angels(demons) to kill and destroy most of the Earth's population and the antichrist who was also one of God's angels. It's sick sick sick i tell you.

Its also a historical fact that the book of revelation very very nearly didnt make it in to the bible at the Council of Nicea: shame, it nearly got something right! How different the world would be if it had not. Moral of the story is: dont write down your hallucinations after a bad trip, you never know what some looney is going to make out of them! I say read the bible, sure, but also read the gnostic gospels and the nag hammadi texts and at least put the entire body of work back into one context

tinmenace
12-03-2007, 10:55 AM
[QUOTE=i am all i am;15060]

Documented evidence from the church records...Please read it to enlighten yourself.[/COLOR]



Well considering your source for evidence, I'd have to say it's you that needs the enlightenment.

Each to their own, I suppose.



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emma royds
12-03-2007, 11:48 AM
Its also a historical fact that the book of revelation very very nearly didnt make it in to the bible at the Council of Nicea: shame, it nearly got something right! How different the world would be if it had not. Moral of the story is: dont write down your hallucinations after a bad trip, you never know what some looney is going to make out of them! I say read the bible, sure, but also read the gnostic gospels and the nag hammadi texts and at least put the entire body of work back into one context


I agree good advice, one should read the gnostic gospels. I find it odd how conspiracy theorists and followers in general tend to jump on the "Jesus is the sun god allegory" It's true that there are some interesting symbolic comparisons to be made but that does not make it a fact. Lets not forget there is probably a big difference between what the disciples started teaching after the death of Jesus as opposed to the latter day christianity that has been passed down and interpreted by men who made decisions on what should and should not be put into the bible. For me the Gospel of Thomas sounds more like how I imagine Jesus words to have been.

jimijams
12-03-2007, 12:12 PM
I find it odd how conspiracy theorists and followers in general tend to jump on the "Jesus is the sun god allegory" It's true that there are some interesting symbolic comparisons to be made but that does not make it a fact.
It was Constantine that incorporated pagan sun worship with Christianity. So in one respect Christianity is based on sun worship, but this does not proove that that Christ didn't exist. What do exist though is his teachings and like you mentioned the gnostic gospel of Thomas is probably the most faithful.
http://www.allaboutjesuschrist.org/emperor-constantine-faq.htm

masonic3
12-03-2007, 12:15 PM
I agree good advice, one should read the gnostic gospels. I find it odd how conspiracy theorists and followers in general tend to jump on the "Jesus is the sun god allegory" It's true that there are some interesting symbolic comparisons to be made but that does not make it a fact. Lets not forget there is probably a big difference between what the disciples started teaching after the death of Jesus as opposed to the latter day christianity that has been passed down and interpreted by men who made decisions on what should and should not be put into the bible. For me the Gospel of Thomas sounds more like how I imagine Jesus words to have been.

Can I just add,that when my Gran died :( the church helped mygrandad so much he now thinks that my or know that my Gran is in hevan and he will join her one day, if I could tell him its wrong should I? Well I couldn't even if I found out that its all lies and could prove it I wouldn't tell him.
Brings tears to my eyes just typing this:(

I think it gives some people hope

john white
12-03-2007, 12:35 PM
Hand on heart I'd have to say, no its not harmless, theres a great deal of dishonesty within the Jehovah's witnesses about their own history (they wont tell your david about the repeated apocalypses they proclaimed as nigh throught the 20th century, for example: if they know themselves: the eldars will keep stumm, be assured of that), and of course Charles Taze russell was bloodline through and through, ever seen his grave?

http://www.freeminds.org/history/pyr_2.jpg


http://www.freeminds.org/history/pyr_3.jpg

http://www.freeminds.org/history/pyr_4.jpg

The cross and crown emblem began as a Masonic symbol, these pictures will stun any Jehovah's Witness, who dares to have an open mind.

That cemetary that C T Russel is buried in is actually Masonic ground

and...



The Russell Bloodline

THE WATCHTOWER & THE ILLUMINATI

Last year in the Jan. ’93 newsletter I wrote an artide about the Illuminati and the Watchtower Society. Recently, on Dec. 10, ’93, Texe Marrs interviewed me over international short wave radio about the 1990 book "The Watchtower and the Masons." Having got a good response from the short wave radio interview, it is only appropriate that this newsletter starts off the new year with another article on the Watchtower Society and the Illuminati. Because of numerous problems within the congregations of Jehovah’s Witnesses with Satanic Ritual Abuse, the Watchtower Society put out an article in the Oct. 8, 1991 issue of the magazine. Lee Waters of Bethel Headquarters kept a file on his computer of Jehovah’s Witnesses who were reported to be victims of SKA. It is possible headquarters has told him to delete the file. Another man who was at headquarters who is now believed out of the Society was also well informed of SRA among the congregations of Jehovah’s Witnesses. In fact, two J.W.s who had actually been in the Illuminati while J.W.s but had broken free, confronted the Governing Body and headquarters with their evidence of the Illuminati operating within the membership of the Jehovah’s Witnesses.

What was the response of the WF leaders? To simply ignore and coverup the evidence. The actions of the Governing Body in squelching any serious action against the high level Satanism secretly operating within the Jehovah’s Witnesses shows what my Be Wise A Serpents book revealed, which is that very secret high level Satanism has long been controlling the Watchtower Society. One of these 2 eyewitnesses to Illuminati activities within the higher levels of the Watchtower Society realized that something is seriously wrong at the top, when the WF leaders do not really care for those people in the congregations who are becoming the victims of SRA. One elder in good standing lost his position because be warned the WT Society of satanic infiltration. It is obvious that the Watchtower organization is more interested in public relations than it is in having a clean organization. In examining the families that are involved with the Illuminati who use the Watchtower Society as a cover, we find a continuation of the same pattern as I noticed before: there is a large contingent of Scottish and a large Jewish bloodlines. For instance, one J.W. Illuminati family was the Udell family (Scottish name) who married Picketson Milliken (English maiden name with Jewish first husband).

This type of combination typifies so many of the elite who I have researched. In the Be Wise As Serpents book, chapter 1.11 discusses how the Satanism within the Illuminati and the Watchtower Society could be tracked by an understanding of Enochian magic. Readers may want to refer back to that chapter after reading this paragraph. The Illuminati operating within the Watchtower Society use the Enochian Language which has its own language and its own Enochian alphabet (letters in boxes). According to eyewitnesses who have left the J.W. part of the Illuminati, the Enochian alphabet is known and used as the cult language by those Illuminati operating in the high levels of the Watchtower Society. In other words, their ceremonies are done in this ritual Enochian language. Sir William Sinclair in the 16th century was one of those who introduced Enochian Magic to Scotland. The Scottish connection in the Watchtower Society is overpowering. Both the Russell and the Rutherford families came from Scotland as well as MacMillan and many other key eariy Watchtower leaders. From this it appears that the Scottish type of Illuminatism that created the early Watchtower Society has always practiced Enochian magic. Remember from the Be Wise As Serpents book that knowing the Watchtowers is the key to Enochian magic. The same type of winged-sun-disk that C.T. Russell used was also used on the ......... Magic. Two phrases that were popular among satanists who practiced Enochian Magic in Rumli's day were ‘Millennial Dawn and ‘Golden Age.’ The following are some of the Illuminati operating within the Watchtower Society today (names may be spelled incorrectly in some cases):

Chris family - Domelie family-Irish bloodline

Karrls - JW Overseer in Miami, FL Prince George McKee-Monroeville, AL Melers, or Myer-Jewish Satanic bloodline.

Sharon Russell - left the Illuminati, still a JW, worked with police showing ritual sites.

Princess Proud Swift - lived in Delaware, with the travel industry Jim Tifton-important WT official and elder in So. Calif. A secret Satanic serial murderer.

Walt family - Woomer family- The areas which have been identified as strong Satanic stronghold within the Watchtower religious empire are:

Southern California (cap. San Bernadino Valley), Florida, the Carribean, Scotland, Bethel Headquarters in Brooklyn, and various places in New York. I expect that this list of strongholds is very incomplete. According to an eye witness of the Illuminati within the Watchtower Society the following items can be ascertained:

Some type of trauma based mind control is being used to create MPD and control children born into the Illuminati within the WF Society.

The rank and file JWs have no awareness that the WT Society has a secret upper level of involvement. (Note, I identified this upper level in my chart explaining how religions are controlled by Satanism.)

The Illuminati within the Jehovah’s Witnesses have a hidden agenda that is separate from the published goals of the WT Society, although they also support many of the goals of the Society.

RITUAL SITES.

Beside rituals taking place in the above mentioned stronghold areas, it is of value to point out that one of the rituals that I have found out about took place when a boat load of generational satanic JWs went to the Bahamas (believed to be Andros Is.) and had a ritual at a high place. This was in 1958.

Related items.

There are three items which relate to what has been described above.

There is a particular man who is well informed about the WT Society who is able to explain bow the WE Society is interlocked with a lot of major corporations.

As a consequence of how connected the WT Society is with politics, big business, etc. the WE Society has been closely watched by the FBI which has over 12,000 pages in its files on the WT Society alone. This figure does not include its extensive files on individuals, of which everyone of the WE Society Presidents has had a file.

The WT Society performs a secret ritual every year which is their primary ritual. This ritual is actually the ancient gnostic (satanic) ritual of saying no to the body of Christ. This ancient satanic ritual is now secretly practiced under the disguise of the Memorial Supper - where the elements of communion are passed and no one partakes of the elements. (When I say ‘no one’ I mean that in a qualified sense-only a small group are allowed to partake. The actual figures of how many partake of the elements is a totally fictitious figure according to my sources, which is created at Bethel headquarters in Brooklyn.

Canadian citizens who have tried to

find out why the Watchtower Society in Canada is allowed to evade taxes, have been stonewalled by government officials. MacGregor Ministries newsletter News & Views, Oct. 1993, p. 10 discusses how various people have tried to expose the Watchtower’s avoidance of the GST and how the Minister of Finance, the Minister of National Revenue and many other government groups have simply stonewalled people. The fax no. of one of the most powerful committees of the Watchtower Society is the WT Service Dept. whose fax no. is 718-6244030. This newsletter will continue to bring articles on the various branches of Satan’s One World Religion which includes the Mormon authority structure, the Catholic authority structure, the Pentecostal and the Jehovah’s Witnesses authority structures just to name a few.

One of the strangest things for this Author was to continue running into evidence that seems to indicate Charles Taze Russell, the man who started the Jehovah’s Witnesses’ Watchtower Society, was secretly an important Satanist. Lest the reader devalue the evidence, permit this author to state that the evidence came in first before I came up with my theory that Russell was an important Satanist, and not vice-versa. Some of the outstanding clues are:

a.) C.T. Russell was definitely a Mason, yet he puts up some great smokescreens in his writing concerning his membership.

b.) C.T. Russell’s Bethel staff became concerned about his occultic activities and required him to take an oath forswearing any further occultic activities.

c.) In my previous book The Watchtower and the Masons, I study 35 parallel beliefs that Russell had with Masonry. I spent a page per parallel. These 35 are not in any way inclusive, Russell had many other identical ideas to what the Masonic lodges propogate.

d.) Various items from magic were part of Russell’s religious beliefs including healing handkerchiefs, phrenology, the Winged-Sun-Disk, Enochian Magical planes, etc.

e.) Russell’s family’s possible Illuminati links, and his wife’s possible connections with a family line of Satanists.

f.) Russell’s apparent secret Rosicrucian membership with the Quakertown, PA group of Rosicrucians, as revealed by the pyramid he ordered erected, his use of the Winged-Sun-Disk. and his cremation three days after his death.

g.) Russell owned a cemetary in Pittsburgh. Leading Satanists try to own cemetaries for several reasons. First, it facilitates the disposal of human sacrifices which are buried in pieces below the fresh holes dug for someone else’s burial. When the casket is placed in the hole, it would be rare for anyone to dig below the casket level ever again. Second, magic power is associated with cemetaries. The spiritual power of the dead is pulled up by making a circle of light over them then within the circle a naked Satanist lays. Third, specific bones are sought such as the skulls and left hands. Left hands are preserved in order to hold candles for certain ceremonies.

h.) Contacts from various places today indicate that the modern Watchtower Society is working with the New World Order. This implies that at some point the Society began cooperating with the New World Order. Russell seems to be the likeliest starting point.

UNDERSTANDING CHARLES T. RUSSELL

As with all occult organizations a veil of secrecy is maintained by requiring initiates to take secrecy oaths on penalty of death. As in Witchcraft, Masonry repeatedly demands secrecy oaths at every new level. Charles T. Russell began participating in this secrecy when he took the Entered Apprentice (first Masonic degree) oath on penalty of mayhem and violent death, "I ... do hereby and hereon most solemnly and sincerely promise and swear that I will always hail, ever conceal and never reveal any of the arts, parts or points of the secret arts and mysteries of ancient Freemasonry which I received, am about to receive, or may hereafter be instructed in ..."



NOTES

1. Confidential interviews with ex-Satanists.

2. Interview by Dr. Al Carlisle with a Black Prince recorded in Stratford, L. Satan’s

Underground. p. 144.

Should the reader allow, I will quote from the Power’s own statements plus other proof to show that this god, the god of the world, is Lucifer (aka Satan, Sanat, Venus, etc.) For thousands of years, The Plan for world domination has been passed down from occult generation to occult generation. Spaced every 28 is a Feast of the Beast, a year-long holiday during which Satanists receive new instructions from Satan on how to carry out The Plan.’ We read of the great holiday and its Great Councils in Externalization of the Hierarchy, when Satan’s instrument Alice Bailey writes, "The past year... has, however, been the year in which the greatest spiritual Approach of all time has shown itself to be possible - an Approach for which the initiates and Masters have for centuries been preparing, and for which all the Wesak Festivals since the meeting of the Great Council in 1925 have been preparatory. I have, in past instructions, referred to the great meetings held at intervals by Those to Whom is entrusted the spiritual guidance of the planet and particularly of man." (Externalisation of the Hierarchy, p. 389.)

ONE SAMPLE OF THEIR PLANS

As example of how ingenius these plans are to create a One-World-Government consider the following part of it. The Drug War is not what it seems. It is a very ingenious scheme to enslave the American people, and destroy all their civil rights. The first rumblings of the Drug War part of The Plan seem to stir from the occult, so it is highly possible the Drug War originally was first developed by Satanists, perhaps even given during one of the Feasts of the Beast. The Drug War seems like the perfect plan, with no way for the Power to lose. First, the Power creates a drug culture in America. The Drug Culture would and did give many their first step into the Aquarian (New Age) conspiracy.6 The Power would make billions of dollars by running drugs, to further finance other nefarious schemes, and could use their world-wide power to crush all their competitors. When the Power crushed and arrested their competitors in drug running, they would be hailed as heros by the majority of people. (And they have.) The introduction of drugs into society does several things. It taxes the Christian church’s ability to oppose immorality. It gets the public indignent about drugs, and the public’s moral outcry allows the Power to pass "drug" laws that remove the last vestiges of legal civil rights. In fact, the beguiled public demands the laws which abolish their rights, and applauds these laws in ignorance unknowing what the laws actually say and mean. If the public somehow gets a complete picture that their government has been smuggling drugs to create a drug war in spite of the controlled media, or perhaps through the media at the right time, then they can create a scandal involving several U. S. Presidents to eliminate the U . S. government and switch the public’s alligience to a world government. (See chapter 3.9 for more details and a chronology of the secretly planned escalation of today’s designed Drug War.) As an ex-Mason, who is very aware of their plans, said to this author, "These people are in it for the long-term."

THE BLOODLINE OF THE RUSSELLS

The purpose of this next subsection may be misunderstood, unless I make myself clear at this point. This author has not established any link between the various famous Russells. (Although I have been doing genealogy work, I have not had the chance to do the long term geneology work required to clarify the issue, if the reader is dissatisfied with the extent of this information, he is encouraged that rather than criticize to research it himself.) The reader will observe by the time he finishes this book, that this author has done extensive research into many groups. One item that has popped up consistently is that people with the surname Russell repeatedly appear as important figures in the various elements of the World Order as it has developed. Before becoming aware of the One World Order, this Author had no inkling how important blood lines have been for the elite that controls the world. Friendships have also played a role, for instance, Eleanor Roosevelt (who was involved in numerous communist organizations’ and was an actual card carrying member of the American communist party) was a close friend and confidant to Ronald Reagon’s mother. This seems trivial, but the reoccurance of blood lines and the reoccurant discovery of connections of friendships between what have been thought of as unrelated personages, compels one to believe the elite is more compact than appears. (More on that later) The mysterious Watchtower Society and its founder Charles Taze Russell will serve as perhaps the most used example in this book of an organization that is secretly serving the New World Order. (The reader will be presented with the history of all this throughout the book, especially in chapters 5-17 of the first section.) Chapter 1 .8 will go into more details on what circumstantial evidence there is that might lead one to believe that Charles T. Russell was a Satanist. The author is aware that there are Jehovah’s Witnesses that are covert Satanists.8 The Russell family appears to have moved from Germany to Scotland and from Scotland to northern Ireland. In the 1820’s Alexander G. Russell went to New York City and then onto Orange Co., NY. He could write firsthand how good it was. When the Potato famine hit during the 1820s, the Russells did not have the roots to Ireland that the original Irish had, and the rest of the family moved to America, except for Fannie’s husband Alexander Harper, who stayed behind in Donegal estranged from his wife. The family tree looked like this:



Let’s comment about the type of Russells that keep appearing throughout the course of the history of the New World Order as this author went about his research. To summarize, these various Russells (who until the genealogy work is done to show the connections should be viewed as individuals -- not a group) have been prominent members of the Illuminati, the Masons, the Fabians, the Mormons, the Jehovah’s Witnesses, the Jesuits, the Royal Society, and the Media controlled by those of the New World Order, and a deputy chairman of the Federal Reserve. Typically they have been merchants and lawyers, with a fair share of them also as Christian heretics. It will be easier perhaps to illustrate how the Russells keep popping up in the New World Order story line by listing a good sampling of them.

SAMPLE OF RUSSELLS OF INTEREST

RUSSELLS WHO FOUNDED FRATERNAL SOCIETIES

William Huntington Russell - founder of what is believed to be an american chapter of the Illuminati (Skull & Bones Order).9 More on this in chapter 2.3. It’s legal name is Russell Trust.

John Russell - founder of the fraternity of Daughters of Isabella (DOI) in May, 1897 in New Haven, Conn.10

RUSSELLS CONNECTED TO FRATERNAL ORGANIZATIONS

Charles Taze Russell - Knights Templar Mason of York Rite, in Allegheny Pa. and founder of the WT Society.

Harvey D. Russell - KT Mason leader of Pittsburgh, PA Beaver Valley Lodge No. 8412

John Russell - Pastor C . T. Russell’s step-mother was executor of his will. His mother was the one chosen to dance with famous Mason and Illuminatus Lafayette when he was in Philadelphia.’13

William H. Russell - Mason and part owner of the Pony Express, which was a firm made up mainly of Masons."14

George William Russell (1869-1935) - leading member of the Dublin Theosophist lodge, wrote art. for the theosophic periodical The Irish Theosophist. Initiated into the Lodge of Isis (with it sexual rites). The keynote of his work is from the Bhagavadgita. He was a good friend of Golden Dawn leader William Butler Yeats who wrote some of the Satanic Masonic Rituals for the Golden Dawn.’15

James Russell- President of the Royal Society of Edinburgh which was associated with esoteric groups like the Masons.16

Archibald D. Russell (1811-1871) - A Presbyterian Mason who graduated from the Univ. of Edinburgh, Scot. He studied at the Univ. of Bonn, Ger. and was active in setting up various organizations in the United States. 17

Benjamin Russell (1761-1845)- Mason and early American Journalist.18

Charles H. Russell - Governor of Nevada, 1950-58, and 32 Mason, also in the York Rite, and a Shriner. 19

J. Stuart Russell - Mason and newspaper editor and deputy chairman of the Fed. Reserve Bank in Chicago.20

Lee M. Russell (1875-1943) - Mason and Lt. Gov. of Miss. 1916-20. (21)

Louis A. Russell (1854-1925) - Mason, organist for South Park Presbyterian Church, Newark, N.J.22

Richard B. Russell (1861-1938) - Mason, judge, editor & business exec.22

Richard B. Russell, Jr. - Mason and Gov. of Georgia, 1931-33 and Sen. from Georgia since 1933. 24

Before going to our next section would be worthwhile to cover the family that Bertrand Russell came from. They hold the title of Dukes of Bedford. Ordo W. Russell served in Lord Palmerston’s office from 1850-52. He served as unofficial ambassador for Great Britian to the Vatican from 1857-70. His son Baron Ampthill was Grand Master of the English Masons 1908-1935. He joined the English equivalent of the Knights of Malta - that is the Order of St. John of Jerusalem, and served as the Grand Master of the lodge formed at the Bank of England! He was appointed head of the Indian Masons of Madras, India (home of the Theosophical Society). Ordo Russell’s son also served in some high political positions.

RUSSELLS CONNECTED TO GROUPS THAT TIE BACK TO THE ILLUMINATI (see future chapters such as 2.5)

Charles Edward Russell, Jewish Socialist who worked for N. Y. Life controlled by J.P. Morgan, and also for N.Y. Tribune and Herald.25

James E. Russell, Columbia University professor who introduced Wundt’s Hegelian philosophy to his students at Columbia.26

Thomas Russell (1767-1803) - a revolutionist of the Illuminati-stream of Revolution.27

Samuel Russell - represented Baring Bros. Helped open up the Port of Shanghai for the International Financiers.28

Bertrand Russell - famous Fabian socialist, and One-World Order .29

Alys Russell- ex-eccentric Quaker, wife of Bertrand and also a Fabian Socialist.30

Rev. Matthew Russell (1834-1912)- Jesuit writer.31


RUSSELLS CONNECTED IN SOME WAY TO THE IBSA (NOW CALLED JEHOVAH’S WITNESSES)

Charles Taze Russell, Sr. - Pastor RusseU’s uncle, broker and real estate agent.32

Theres free will of course and its a devil's own time convincing anyone not to do anything ('cos the truth is only they can really do that for themselves) but Jehovah's Witnesses are not to be entertained lightly: at best its an egyptian cult masquerading as "christian", and its based around fear and head f*ckery control. Here's how they treat their own when they "spill the beans"

Watchtower Takes Legal Action Against Ex-Members

EX-JWS SUMMONED TO POLICE STATION

In a bold move aimed at suppressing dissident Jehovah’s Witnesses, the Watchtower Society’s New York headquarters has filed charges with the police against ex-members Kent Steinhaug and Jan Haugland of Norway. Steinhaug reported for questioning this morning (March 4, 1997) to the police station in Skein, his home town.

Both men are accused of violating copyright laws by posting copies of a secret elder’s manual on the Internet. The manual "Pay Attention to Yourselves and to All the Flock" tells local elders how to conduct closed-door trials and other actions controlling the personal lives of Jehovah’s Witnesses.

Among the rules enforced through the manual are forced shunning of family members who leave the sect and the requirement that Witnesses refuse blood transfusions regardless of the consequences in loss of life.

The charges filed against Steinhaug and Haugland allege that they have made the secret manual available to rank-and-file members and to the general public, in violation of a copyright held by the Watchtower Bible and Tract Society. Only Witness elders are allowed to read the book, and an elder must surrender his personal copy if he loses his position in the organization.

Although Steinhaug’s "Watchtower Observer" website today features none of the offending material, visitors find links to websites where the secret book is still displayed. Kent Steinhaug can be reached for interviews in Skien, Norway via e-mail at [email protected]

Information is also available at his page devoted to the legal charges filed by the Watchtower Society.

i am all i am
12-03-2007, 02:04 PM
Well considering your source for evidence, I'd have to say it's you that needs the enlightenment.

Each to their own, I suppose.
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INTRODUCTION

Real issues withheld from the people

This book presents an overview of the Christian church's untruthful presentation of the story of Jesus Christ and was initiated by the discovery of ancient scrolls in secret Vatican archives. It states its proofs and demonstrates from historical records, ecclesiastical confessions, archival manuscripts, oldest Bibles, published church admissions and acknowledged academic authorities, that:
1. The New Testament, in the strictest legal and moralsense, is a forgery; every Gospel and booklet it carries is falsified; and significant passages upon which the fabric of the church and its principal dogmas were founded are fictitious narratives.
2. Christianity originated and flourished on dishonesty, false pretence, deception, and feigned piety, and in ensuing centuries its leaders industriously engaged in the cover-up of information that exposed the real nature of clergy and their false doctrine.
3. Church history was knowingly falsified with deliberate fabrication of a whole Christian literature, manipulated to hide the true nature of Christian beginings; the church concealed the essence of the truth of its origins and matters where self-interest of the priesthood were concerned; and for 1700 years perpetrated the frauds herein revealed, and was their chief beneficiary.

- The Crucifiction of Truth, by Tony Bushby, page 22.

I don't have a copy of 'The Bible Fraud' anymore. 'The Secret in the Bible' and 'The Crucifixion of Truth' are the second and third books by Tony Bushby. If you would like to comment on the books that is your choice. Personally, I would either read them first (which I have done), or google it to get some background detail about their contents, prior to dismissing them.

This is not 'my evidence'. I lay no claim to having done the years of research that has gone into any of these books. Although I do recommend them to anyone that is interested in understanding the christian religion, its origins and subsequent spreading throughout the world.

You, of course, can say whatever you want Tinmenace, but considering that I have read the above mentioned books, I would say that I am 'enlightened' upon the subject.


With LOVE.
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WHEN PAIRED OPPOSITES DEFINE YOUR BELIEFS, YOUR BELIEFS WILL IMPRISON YOU.

tinmenace
13-03-2007, 12:52 AM
This book presents an overview of the Christian church's untruthful presentation of the story of Jesus Christ and was initiated by the discovery of ancient scrolls in secret Vatican archives. It states its proofs and demonstrates from historical records, ecclesiastical confessions, archival manuscripts, oldest Bibles, published church admissions and acknowledged academic authorities, that:
1. The New Testament, in the strictest legal and moralsense, is a forgery; every Gospel and booklet it carries is falsified; and significant passages upon which the fabric of the church and its principal dogmas were founded are fictitious narratives.
2. Christianity originated and flourished on dishonesty, false pretence, deception, and feigned piety, and in ensuing centuries its leaders industriously engaged in the cover-up of information that exposed the real nature of clergy and their false doctrine.
3. Church history was knowingly falsified with deliberate fabrication of a whole Christian literature, manipulated to hide the true nature of Christian beginings; the church concealed the essence of the truth of its origins and matters where self-interest of the priesthood were concerned; and for 1700 years perpetrated the frauds herein revealed, and was their chief beneficiary.



I'm in agreement with the above statements. But, I'm confused because we started off debating whether or not we could prove that Christ existed. What you have provided here, albeit very interesting, doesn't prove your original point.

Thanks for the information anyway. I'll see if I can find a copy to read.


;)

narcolepticwatchman
13-03-2007, 01:10 AM
As soon as I saw the 'lost tomb' i knew it was a fraud. the pyramid with the all seeing eye is right above the door ffs. Did jesus worship horas? Why if he was the sun of god? Its all bull.

i am all i am
13-03-2007, 06:07 AM
I'm in agreement with the above statements. But, I'm confused because we started off debating whether or not we could prove that Christ existed. What you have provided here, albeit very interesting, doesn't prove your original point.

Thanks for the information anyway. I'll see if I can find a copy to read.


;)

G'day Tinmenace.

Which Jesus are we talking about ? This is my point. The Jesus that is worshipped is a myth, a made up story. Tony Bushby shows in The Bible Fraud that the story is a composite of two people. "He (Constantine) determined that the names of his two first century descendants Jesu Cunobeline and Judas Krestus be joined as one, Jesu Krestus, and that would be the official name of the new Roman god.", 'The Crucifixion of Truth', page 82. Of course now known as Jesus Christ. So the name Jesus Christ is not of an actual person, it is a composite name of two people.

You're welcome for the information and I hope you get a copy Tinmenace as it is a great book, in fact, all three books are brilliant. Tony Bushby has released a new book which I would love to read. Anyway, happy reading.


With LOVE.
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WHEN PAIRED OPPOSITES DEFINE YOUR BELIEFS, YOUR BELIEFS WILL IMPRISON YOU.

shenoma
13-03-2007, 10:18 PM
G'day Tinmenace.

Which Jesus are we talking about ? This is my point. The Jesus that is worshipped is a myth, a made up story. Tony Bushby shows in The Bible Fraud that the story is a composite of two people. "He (Constantine) determined that the names of his two first century descendants Jesu Cunobeline and Judas Krestus be joined as one, Jesu Krestus, and that would be the official name of the new Roman god.", 'The Crucifixion of Truth', page 82. Of course now known as Jesus Christ. So the name Jesus Christ is not of an actual person, it is a composite name of two people.

You're welcome for the information and I hope you get a copy Tinmenace as it is a great book, in fact, all three books are brilliant. Tony Bushby has released a new book which I would love to read. Anyway, happy reading.


With LOVE.
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WHEN PAIRED OPPOSITES DEFINE YOUR BELIEFS, YOUR BELIEFS WILL IMPRISON YOU.

So what if it is all made up story. You shouldn't just toss away the wisdom that is in the bible because of it.

tinmenace
13-03-2007, 10:52 PM
So what if it is all made up story. You shouldn't just toss away the wisdom that is in the bible because of it.



Like which parts, for example?

i am all i am
14-03-2007, 12:18 AM
So what if it is all made up story. You shouldn't just toss away the wisdom that is in the bible because of it.

INTRODUCTION

Real issues withheld from the people

This book presents an overview of the Christian church's untruthful presentation of the story of Jesus Christ and was initiated by the discovery of ancient scrolls in secret Vatican archives. It states its proofs and demonstrates from historical records, ecclesiastical confessions, archival manuscripts, oldest Bibles, published church admissions and acknowledged academic authorities, that:
1. The New Testament, in the strictest legal and moralsense, is a forgery; every Gospel and booklet it carries is falsified; and significant passages upon which the fabric of the church and its principal dogmas were founded are fictitious narratives.
2. Christianity originated and flourished on dishonesty, false pretence, deception, and feigned piety, and in ensuing centuries its leaders industriously engaged in the cover-up of information that exposed the real nature of clergy and their false doctrine.
3. Church history was knowingly falsified with deliberate fabrication of a whole Christian literature, manipulated to hide the true nature of Christian beginings; the church concealed the essence of the truth of its origins and matters where self-interest of the priesthood were concerned; and for 1700 years perpetrated the frauds herein revealed, and was their chief beneficiary.

- The Crucifiction of Truth, by Tony Bushby, page 22.

Here's a cross reference for you from 'The Greatest Spiritual Secret of the Century', by Thom Hartmann, pages 161, 162, 163 and 164. It probably refers to Judas Krestus.

" Joshua raised his left hand. "Two thousand years ago, before toilet paper was invented, people used their left hands to clean themselves. They'd then dip their fingers into a bowl of water to clean them, but their left hands were never really clean and they knew it. You know that?"
"I never thought about it," Paul said, dizzied by the sudden change of topic.
"It's true," Joshua said, putting his hand back on the arm of his chair. "In fact, it's still that way in most of the Third World. Today, this is how about four billion people live, without toilet paper. And in those lands today, as back then in Israel, the most terrible and vicious way you could insult a person would be to touch him with your left hand. Even gesturing with the left hand was banned in most societies. Among the Jewish Essenes, gesturing with the left hand would earn you a week's banishment from the community. And if you wanted to really insult somebody, to totally humiliate him, particularly in public, you would slap him with your left hand. You understand?"
"Yes," Paul said. "Like giving somebody the finger today."
"More like giving them the finger and spitting in their face," Joshua said. "Or throwing urine on them. Remember where that hand was. You'd only do that to a person you knew couldn't retaliate, right?"
"Unless you wanted your butt kicked."
"Right. So slapping somebody with your left hand, in ancient Roman society, was both the ultimate insult,and also something that was only done to the most powerless people. The Jews whose land was occupied by the Romans, for example. There was no recourse for them, unless it was to punch that person, which would mean they'd get the death penalty for hitting a Roman citizen. You understand?"
"Yes," Paul said.
"Unless they could get that Roman to hit them with his right hand, which meant that a fight was engaged. Then they'd be justified to fight back. But the Romans didn't hit slaves with their right hands, they insulted them by slapping them with their left hands and then laughed at the humiliated slave who couldn't slap back."
"Got it."
"So," Joshua said, "which cheek would I strike you on if I wanted to humiliate you by slapping your face with my unclean left hand?"
Paul looked at Joshua's left hand, and then visualised it moving through the air, imagining where Joshua's left palm would fall. "You'd hit my right cheek if you swung your left hand."
"The ultimate vicious and humiliating insult, hitting your right cheek with my left hand,"
"Yes."
"And if you then challenged me to hit you with my right hand, that would be a challenge to my authority if I was a slave holder or a powerful person in your society, right?"
"Absolutely. You'd be saying, 'If you have any courage, you'll start a legal fight with me where I can fight back. You'll hit me with your right hand. I dare you'"
"And yet it would not be hitting back, it would be merely exposing the evil of the left-handed slap for what it was."
"I understand," Paul said.
Joshua said, "Ye have heard that it hath been said, An eye for an eye, a tooth for a tooth: But I say unto you, That resist not evil with evil: but whosoever shall smite the on thy right cheek, turn and offer him the other also." "


Let those that have ears hear, let those that have eyes see.

There are over 14,800 differences and mistakes in the Bibles that are in circulation today compared to the Mount Sinai Bible. Which one has the wisdom in it ?


With LOVE.
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WHEN PAIRED OPPOSITES DEFINE YOUR BELIEFS, YOUR BELIEFS WILL IMPRISON YOU.

shenoma
14-03-2007, 12:33 AM
Like which parts, for example?

Like to love your brother or to forgive freely without end, stuff like that. Also, psalms is a beautiful book.:rolleyes:

jimijams
14-03-2007, 12:34 AM
[QUOTE=i am all i am;15811]INTRODUCTION

Real issues withheld from the people

This book presents an overview of the Christian church's untruthful presentation of the story of Jesus Christ and was initiated by the discovery of ancient scrolls in secret Vatican archives. It states its proofs and demonstrates from historical records, ecclesiastical confessions, archival manuscripts, oldest Bibles, published church admissions and acknowledged academic authorities, that:
1. The New Testament, in the strictest legal and moralsense, is a forgery; every Gospel and booklet it carries is falsified; and significant passages upon which the fabric of the church and its principal dogmas were founded are fictitious narratives.
2. Christianity originated and flourished on dishonesty, false pretence, deception, and feigned piety, and in ensuing centuries its leaders industriously engaged in the cover-up of information that exposed the real nature of clergy and their false doctrine.
3. Church history was knowingly falsified with deliberate fabrication of a whole Christian literature, manipulated to hide the true nature of Christian beginings; the church concealed the essence of the truth of its origins and matters where self-interest of the priesthood were concerned; and for 1700 years perpetrated the frauds herein revealed, and was their chief beneficiary.

- The Crucifiction of Truth, by Tony Bushby, page 22.

Here's a cross reference for you from 'The Greatest Spiritual Secret of the Century', by Thom Hartmann, pages 161, 162, 163 and 164. It probably refers to Judas Krestus.

" Joshua raised his left hand. "Two thousand years ago, before toilet paper was invented, people used their left hands to clean themselves. They'd then dip their fingers into a bowl of water to clean them, but their left hands were never really clean and they knew it. You know that?"
"I never thought about it," Paul said, dizzied by the sudden change of topic.
"It's true," Joshua said, putting his hand back on the arm of his chair. "In fact, it's still that way in most of the Third World. Today, this is how about four billion people live, without toilet paper. And in those lands today, as back then in Israel, the most terrible and vicious way you could insult a person would be to touch him with your left hand. Even gesturing with the left hand was banned in most societies. Among the Jewish Essenes, gesturing with the left hand would earn you a week's banishment from the community. And if you wanted to really insult somebody, to totally humiliate him, particularly in public, you would slap him with your left hand. You understand?"
"Yes," Paul said. "Like giving somebody the finger today."
"More like giving them the finger and spitting in their face," Joshua said. "Or throwing urine on them. Remember where that hand was. You'd only do that to a person you knew couldn't retaliate, right?"
"Unless you wanted your butt kicked."
"Right. So slapping somebody with your left hand, in ancient Roman society, was both the ultimate insult,and also something that was only done to the most powerless people. The Jews whose land was occupied by the Romans, for example. There was no recourse for them, unless it was to punch that person, which would mean they'd get the death penalty for hitting a Roman citizen. You understand?"
"Yes," Paul said.
"Unless they could get that Roman to hit them with his right hand, which meant that a fight was engaged. Then they'd be justified to fight back. But the Romans didn't hit slaves with their right hands, they insulted them by slapping them with their left hands and then laughed at the humiliated slave who couldn't slap back."
"Got it."
"So," Joshua said, "which cheek would I strike you on if I wanted to humiliate you by slapping your face with my unclean left hand?"
Paul looked at Joshua's left hand, and then visualised it moving through the air, imagining where Joshua's left palm would fall. "You'd hit my right cheek if you swung your left hand."
"The ultimate vicious and humiliating insult, hitting your right cheek with my left hand,"
"Yes."
"And if you then challenged me to hit you with my right hand, that would be a challenge to my authority if I was a slave holder or a powerful person in your society, right?"
"Absolutely. You'd be saying, 'If you have any courage, you'll start a legal fight with me where I can fight back. You'll hit me with your right hand. I dare you'"
"And yet it would not be hitting back, it would be merely exposing the evil of the left-handed slap for what it was."
"I understand," Paul said.
Joshua said, "Ye have heard that it hath been said, An eye for an eye, a tooth for a tooth: But I say unto you, That resist not evil with evil: but whosoever shall smite the on thy right cheek, turn and offer him the other also." "


Let those that have ears hear, let those that have eyes see.


With LOVE.[QUOTE/]
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Give not that which is holy unto the dogs, neither cast ye your pearls before swine, lest they trample them under their feet, and turn again and rend you.
- Matthew (ch. VII, v. 6)

i am all i am
14-03-2007, 12:59 AM
Give not that which is holy unto the dogs, neither cast ye your pearls before swine, lest they trample them under their feet, and turn again and rend you.
- Matthew (ch. VII, v. 6)

Give to him who asks you, and from him who wants to borrow from you do not turn away.
- Matthew 5:32.


With LOVE.

tinmenace
14-03-2007, 02:00 AM
I'm just curious....how many of you actually read David's books, and what do you think of them?

jimijams
14-03-2007, 02:08 AM
I'm just curious....how many of you actually read David's books, and what do you think of them?
I've read a couple and I enjoyed them.:)

i am all i am
14-03-2007, 09:36 AM
Like to love your brother or to forgive freely without end, stuff like that. Also, psalms is a beautiful book.:rolleyes:

G'day Shenoma,

"But God shall wound the head of his enemies, and the hairy scalp of such an one as goeth on still in his trespasses. The Lord said, I will bring again from Bashan, I will bring my people again from the depths of the sea: That thy foot may be dipped in blood of thine enemies, and the tongue of thy dog in the same" - Psalms 68:21-23.

I glad that you enjoy Psalms and thought that I would post this quote for you.


With LOVE.
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WHEN PAIRED OPPOSITES DEFINE YOUR BELIEFS, YOUR BELIEFS WILL IMPRISON YOU.

shenoma
14-03-2007, 09:49 AM
G'day Shenoma,

"But God shall wound the head of his enemies, and the hairy scalp of such an one as goeth on still in his trespasses. The Lord said, I will bring again from Bashan, I will bring my people again from the depths of the sea: That thy foot may be dipped in blood of thine enemies, and the tongue of thy dog in the same" - Psalms 68:21-23.

I glad that you enjoy Psalms and thought that I would post this quote for you.


With LOVE.
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WHEN PAIRED OPPOSITES DEFINE YOUR BELIEFS, YOUR BELIEFS WILL IMPRISON YOU.


I ain't no christian, but I do like parts of the bible, and it makes me mad when people just say the whole thing is bad. It isn't, a lot of it is kinda of useless, but some of it can improve yourself if you look for the jems in cave.

i am all i am
14-03-2007, 09:55 AM
I ain't no christian, but I do like parts of the bible, and it makes me mad when people just say the whole thing is bad. It isn't, a lot of it is kinda of useless, but some of it can improve yourself if you look for the jems in cave.

The problem is that you have to go through all the satanic verses to find those few gems.


With LOVE.
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WHEN PAIRED OPPOSITES DEFINE YOUR BELIEFS, YOUR BELIEFS WILL IMPRISON YOU.

jagalman
14-03-2007, 12:28 PM
As soon as I saw the 'lost tomb' i knew it was a fraud. the pyramid with the all seeing eye is right above the door ffs. Did jesus worship horas? Why if he was the sun of god? Its all bull.

I think the story of David icke about Jesus is true!!

http://img139.imageshack.us/img139/1548/jeswasfo8.jpg

This world is illusion!! Jesus as i said before was a myth!! they done it for the control of human's by using fear!!

tinmenace
14-03-2007, 03:47 PM
Yeah, it's all just one deity morphing into another. There have been more wars and more death and suffering in the name of religion than any other cause. The very nature of religion (all of them) is restrictive and controlling.

The biggest hypocrites I've ever met are religious. They're holier than thou at church/shule/temple/mosque/etc, but nasty hateful people when they think nobody is looking.

It's a facade that camouflages the true nature of the person hiding behind it.

Now, don't y'all attack me at one time. I know that there are good people that have done good things in the name of their religion, but I'd like to point out that they are probably the exception and not the rule. Helping out at a meals-on-wheels once a month is a good thing, something everyone should be doing, but it's not necessarily the mark of a truly good and spiritually decent person.

Since David's books wiped the poo from my eyes, I just cannot believe how ritualistic Catholicism is, and why I never noticed it before. They're praying to Semiramis with Horus in her arms, and they're told it's the communication line to God - and they actually believe it! They participate in the drinking of 'Christ's blood', and eating 'Christ's body', and all around them are the most awful symbols of suffering, unhappiness and pain (Christ on the cross for example). I also don't think it's any coincidence that Catholic priests have molested children. It's an epidemic. I think it's all part of their Babylonian ritual (to create suffering and fear), and all under the guise as some sort of Christianity (even though they're clearly not worshiping Christ and I now know who they mean by "God").

I always thought Catholicism was strange and never understood it but also didn't bother to. I was just like ....to each their own. Now I see that it is important to help everyone awaken and understand what they've been doing (often since childhood).

There is no such thing that one religion is better than the other. More true than the next one. That's just programming telling you that you have to believe in something. Ok, so Buddhist monks seem to be pretty peaceful right? Maybe a little bit, but women are still shunned (as in many religions, women can't touch Buddha, other religions tell their followers that women can't go into certain places because they're impure or dirty...and so on), and there continues to be an imbalance between the overly powerful men and the overly oppressed women. There is no way that can be justified to anyone with an open heart and mind.

Someone said earlier that the bible teaches good lessons, like "love your brother". This is not something we learn from the bible. This comes naturally when you're a decent and loving person that has not been taught how to hate. The bible contradicts itself. It talks of destroying enemies, but to also love your brother. It reminds me of the fantastic part in 'The Devil's Advocate' with the amazing Al Pacino. He says, in part "...He gives man instincts. He gives you this extraordinary gift, and then what does he do, I swear for his own amusement, his own private, cosmic gag reel, he sets the rules in opposition. It's the goof of all time. Look but don't touch. Touch, but don't taste. Taste, don't swallow. And while you're jumpin' from one foot to the next..."

Exactly right. We're so busy trying to figure out how to please god, that we forget who we are and where we come from. We're soooo very disconnected, thanks to religion and other controls.

i am all i am
14-03-2007, 05:55 PM
Yeah, it's all just one deity morphing into another. There have been more wars and more death and suffering in the name of religion than any other cause. The very nature of religion (all of them) is restrictive and controlling.

The biggest hypocrites I've ever met are religious. They're holier than thou at church/shule/temple/mosque/etc, but nasty hateful people when they think nobody is looking.

It's a facade that camouflages the true nature of the person hiding behind it.

Now, don't y'all attack me at one time. I know that there are good people that have done good things in the name of their religion, but I'd like to point out that they are probably the exception and not the rule. Helping out at a meals-on-wheels once a month is a good thing, something everyone should be doing, but it's not necessarily the mark of a truly good and spiritually decent person.

Since David's books wiped the poo from my eyes, I just cannot believe how ritualistic Catholicism is, and why I never noticed it before. They're praying to Semiramis with Horus in her arms, and they're told it's the communication line to God - and they actually believe it! They participate in the drinking of 'Christ's blood', and eating 'Christ's body', and all around them are the most awful symbols of suffering, unhappiness and pain (Christ on the cross for example). I also don't think it's any coincidence that Catholic priests have molested children. It's an epidemic. I think it's all part of their Babylonian ritual (to create suffering and fear), and all under the guise as some sort of Christianity (even though they're clearly not worshiping Christ and I now know who they mean by "God").

I always thought Catholicism was strange and never understood it but also didn't bother to. I was just like ....to each their own. Now I see that it is important to help everyone awaken and understand what they've been doing (often since childhood).

There is no such thing that one religion is better than the other. More true than the next one. That's just programming telling you that you have to believe in something. Ok, so Buddhist monks seem to be pretty peaceful right? Maybe a little bit, but women are still shunned (as in many religions, women can't touch Buddha, other religions tell their followers that women can't go into certain places because they're impure or dirty...and so on), and there continues to be an imbalance between the overly powerful men and the overly oppressed women. There is no way that can be justified to anyone with an open heart and mind.

Someone said earlier that the bible teaches good lessons, like "love your brother". This is not something we learn from the bible. This comes naturally when you're a decent and loving person that has not been taught how to hate. The bible contradicts itself. It talks of destroying enemies, but to also love your brother. It reminds me of the fantastic part in 'The Devil's Advocate' with the amazing Al Pacino. He says, in part "...He gives man instincts. He gives you this extraordinary gift, and then what does he do, I swear for his own amusement, his own private, cosmic gag reel, he sets the rules in opposition. It's the goof of all time. Look but don't touch. Touch, but don't taste. Taste, don't swallow. And while you're jumpin' from one foot to the next..."

Exactly right. We're so busy trying to figure out how to please god, that we forget who we are and where we come from. We're soooo very disconnected, thanks to religion and other controls.

G'day Tinmenace,

I've got your back on this one. Here is a little taste of the christian religion.


How about Bishop and Saint Cyril of Alexandria (d.444) who publicly proclaimed, "Thou must hate all heretics". In fact he did follow his own belief. St Cyril personally led a mob of churchmen into the library of Alexandria and dragged Hypatia (a pagan scientist and philosopher) into a church. They then clubbed her to death, scraped the flesh off her bones with oyster shells, beheaded her, cut her corpse into pieces and cast the remnants into a fire.

How about St Dominic (1170-1221), who so ordered by Pope Innocent III, formed the 'Catholic Army'. St Dominic deemed them to be the 'Militia of Jesus Christ'. They were specifically established to 'cut the throats of disbelievers when the priesthood was preaching the Lord's Gospel'. The 'throat-cutters' (as they were known to the general populace) contributed to the total extinction of the Cathari (also known as the Albigensians). St Dominic's followers were formerly called the Dominicans, or the friars of the Order of the Dominicans and, in England, the Black Friars.

Now let us take a journey through the Old Testament shall we.

"Neither let us commit fornication, as some of them commited, and fell in one day three and twenty thousand" - 1 Corinthians 10:8

"And Satan stood up against Israel, and provoked David to number Israel, And David said to Joab and to the rulers of the people, Go, number Israel from Beersheba even to Dan; and bring the number of them to me, that I may know it. . .And God was displeased with this thing; therefore he smote Israel. . .So the Lord sent pestilence upon Israel: and there fell of Israel seventy thousand men" - 1 Corinthians 21:1-14

"But of the cities of these people, which the Lord thy God doth give thee for an inheritence, thou shalt save alive nothing that breatheth" - Deutronomy 20:16

"Now go and smite Amalek, and utterly destroy all that they have, and spare them not; but slay both man and woman, infant and suckling, ox and sheep, camel and ass" - 1 Samuel 15:3

And this is merely a fraction of church history and the Bible.


I WASN'T BORN A SINNER,
YOUR RELIGION IS A SPIEL,
YOU SAY A LOSER NEEDS A WINNER,
YOUR DOGMA DOESN'T HEAL.


With LOVE.
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WHEN PAIRED OPPOSITES DEFINE YOUR BELIEFS, YOUR BELIEFS WILL IMPRISON YOU.

shenoma
14-03-2007, 10:19 PM
They all use religion has a excuse, was it the real cause? No, I don't think it was or is, it is a hell of a lot more it then that.

tinmenace
14-03-2007, 10:48 PM
What do you mean?

shenoma
15-03-2007, 08:47 PM
I was raised in that bullsh*t, finally got out when I was about 20. Thank god I never got baptized, I never truly believe what was being fed to me. I thought it was stupid even has a kid, it never made much sense to me.

They don't want you to think, just suck on their version of the TRUTH. It has a much to teach you, but after you learn it. A person is much better to RUN from the organization. Some of the stuff you learn is: selling things door to door, public speaking, and how to spot an occult once you leave one.