Pine Gap

[grover66]

Pine Gap is a secret U.S. base about 11km from Alice Springs, Australia. Having grown up in Alice Springs, I'm particularly interested in what exactly Pine Gap does. I can say from personal experience that it's extremely secret squirrel. I've had friends that have worked there in positions ranging from electrician to secretary to kitchen hand and all have been sworn to secrecy. They won't tell you anything about the place! But as an example, the friend who was employed as a kitchen hand there was on something like AU$40,000 a year (for being a fucking kitchen hand!!) and she got a free return airfaire per year to a capital city of her choice for each member of her family and paid $50 a week rent for a Pine Gap owned house. Plus, a bus collected her each morning to take her out to work from her front door and dropped her off at night.

I've read recently some very interesting stuff about the place. Some of it might sound bizarre, but I think there's way more to Pine Gap than meets the eye. I posted on here a few months back about how my ex used to work at the Alice Springs Prison, which is located only a few kilometres from Pine Gap and how one night there was some weird shit that went on at the prison involving aliens. Anyway, I came across a website and thought I'd post the content of it on here in case anyone is interested.

http://i2.photobucket.com/albums/y40/collwilson/pinegap.jpg

"What exactly is Pine Gap? As strange as it may seem, even
Australian Federal Parliament members do not know. Among the
Cabinet members, only a small number of 'initiates' have a vague
idea of what this is all about. The only information source available
to the public is the cross-checking done by private researchers such
as Jimmy Guieu, following statements made by the United States or
Australian magazines (always very short and terse paragraphs), and
anything the locals may notice.

"It is said that under Pine Gap is the deepest drilling hole in
Australia - about 5 miles (more than 8,000 meters). Such a hole is
likely used as an underground antenna able to recharge the batteries
of submarines in the Pacific and Indian Ocean through ELF
broadcasts. Such a gigantic antenna could be used to generate the
gigantic stationary wave around the Earth.

"Some say that Pine Gap has an enormous nuclear generator to
supply energy to a new type of transceiver. It seems too that there is
a high-powered, high-voltage plasma accelerator which may be put
to use to transmit electric current, or even to produce a 'death-ray',
or quite simply to feed a plasma gun. All this is not as incredible as
it sounds: it is now known that the US base of West Cape, near
Exmouth Gulf in Western Australia (Harold E. Holt USN
Communication Station), has an older type of the transceiver used
at Pine Gap which is used to send electric current to submerged US
submarines who trail a wire antenna. It is known that electric
currents transmitted in this way are referred to as plasmo-dynamic
cells.

"Several times, locals have seen WHITE DISKS about 30' in
diameter in the process of being unloaded from large US cargo
planes at the airports serving Pine Gap. Those disks had the USAF
emblem on them. It seems likely that disks are assembled and based
at Pine Gap. The number of disks seen at night leaves no doubt in
anyones mind. An amazing quantity of furniture has been delivered
by plane from the United States. The locals also say that an
enormous amount of food is stocked in warehouses of what could
well be a true multi-leveled underground city.

"On the other hand, Pine Gap is well known as one of the most
important control centers for spy satellites which circle the globe.
An article published in late 1973 claimed that the Pine Gap
installation, along with its sister installation in Guam, were used to
control the photographic missions of the large American satellites
in orbit above the Earth.

"Pine Gap has enormous computers which are connected to their
American and Australian central counterparts, which collect all the
information secured in these countries, not only about finance and
technology, but on every aspect of the life of the average citizen.
Those computers at Pine Gap are also evidently connected to
similar mainframes in Guam, in Krugersdorp South Africa, and at
the Amundsen-Scott US base at the South Pole.

"Let us say, incidently, that the employees (more than 1200) of the
US base in South Africa all claim to be members of the US
consular mission in that country. It may be worthy of note that the
Amundsen-Scott base at the South Pole is located on a sensitive
magnetic spot of our planet, that it holds exactly the same assets as
Pine Gap, and that all the information about most of the average
citizens of Western Europe is stored there in memory banks tens of
meters under the icepack.

"A statement made by the Australian premier about 1987, assuring
that 'France must disappear from the Pacific, from the Kerguelen
Ridge, and from Antarctica' sheds light on the importance of this
polar base for the Anglo-Saxon world.

"The most disquieting fact about Pine Gap may be that the
employees working on the base, and especially those earmarked for
duty on electromagnetic propulsion projects, have undergone
brainwashing and even implantation of intracranial devices. Those
employees have turned into unconditional slaves of their master,
whoever he is. Rather scary, isn't it?

"The true point of the brainwashing of those individuals, along with
the ruthless attempts to implement the coverup of really advanced
military technology, will become clear at the end of this article.

"For me, it all began with the construction of the new Parliament
building in Canberra, which cost billions of dollars. Australia has
only 18 million inhabitants, yet it apparently treated itself to a
building far beyond its means...supposedly to accommodate its
government even if the old Parliament building was perfectly fine.

"This new building, enormous, immense and magnificent would
easily fit the needs of the USSR or of the United States, which both
have hundreds of millions of citizens to rule. That building puzzled
me, and I started to talk about it until the day I bumped into an
Englishman who told me that the Australian premier, Bob Hawk,
was a Rhodes scholar, and as such he worked toward the setting up
of a One World Government, and that this new Parliament building
likely had something to do with it.

"Sometime after, I stumbled on a pamphlet published by the Human
Rights Organization, which talked about a group of about a
hundred people well-placed in high finance, politics, the judiciary
branch and big business. This group was called the 'Club of
ROME'. According to this pamphlet, the CLUB OF ROME was
pledged to a consortium which controls all international finance. A
number of other groups similar to the CLUB OF ROME are
equally pledged to that finance consortium, AND ARE
INFILTRATING THE VARIOUS POLITICAL AND RELIGIOUS
GROUPS WITH THE INTENTION TO MAKE PROGRESS
TOWARD THE INSTITUTION OF A WORLD DICTATORSHIP.

"The whole thing looked a little bit too preposterous to be true, it
seemed to me. Nevertheless, a friend of mine gave me an audio
cassette taped at a lecture given by Peter Sawyer, a former high-
ranking Australian civil servant, which exposed a certain number of
facts he had noticed while in office. He talked, in particular, of a
telephone exchange in Canberra called 'Deacon Center'. This
exchange, built in concrete with 4 (ft. ? - Branton) thick walls, cost
hundreds of millions of dollars. It is outfitted with numerous
computers, arrayed on four levels. When he tried to find out why
such equipment was needed in a country of only 18 million, he
discovered that those computers were connected to all the banks, to
every post office, to all telephones, and to all of the police stations
and customs houses; to every arrival and departure desk for air or
sea travellers; and also and above all, to the other data centers
collecting data on private citizens... in the United States as well as
in Europe.

"That facility on Deacon street is therefore a Center where all the
data pertaining to every citizen of the Western World end up being
stored. All financial, economic, political and military information,
as well as the information on every inhabitant of those countries.
As a matter of course, all people living in Australia are put on file,
kept up with and labelled.

"Peter Sawyer discovered also that the president of the
ROCKEFELLER FOUNDATION came for a lengthy stay in
Australia to supervise in person the construction of 20 luxury
residences in Canberra (the Australian government footed the bill),
in the wonderful setting of a National Park, where, legally, nobody
is allowed to build.

"The investigations lead by Sawyer exposed, first, that the new
Parliament building is meant to accommodate the world
government-to-be; and, second, that the 20 luxury residences will
be allocated to the different foreign members of that government...
Why choose Canberra as the headquarters of the new world
government? Simply because Australia is a peaceful country, with
very few natives likely to turn rebellious, and, above all, it's an
English speaking country.

No other English speaking country can
offer the safety Australia will provide at the time of the taking over
by the World Government. In America and Europe, uprisings are
more than likely, and South America not only is not English-
speaking, but its fondness for revolutions and social disturbances is
well known.

"Australia is thus the ideal place for such an undertaking. How is
the advent of a World Government possible in the near future? It is
relatively easy, as we will explain.

"First, who are those 'internationalists' who want to take over the
planet? THE ONES WHO WANT TO SET UP A WORLD GOVERNMENT ARE 15 FAMILIES OR SO,
WHO ALREADY GOVERN ALL OF INTERNATIONAL FINANCE AND KEEP A TIGHT LEASH ON
MOST GOVERNMENTS THROUGH THE ABSOLUTE CONTROL OF THEIR FINANCES AND THEIR
DOMESTIC ECONOMY. These finance moguls devised their plan after World War I,
and have been working since on an insidious undermining process aimed at
economic destabilization all over the West.

"If those financiers are obviously labeled 'capitalists', it is a very
deceptive label, though, for, in fact, they never stopped to pull the
strings of the progressive parties, as well as those of the
conservative parties. Their idea is logical, and lay, quite simply, in
the destabilization of the countries of the West on the political,
economic and religious levels. IT MAY BE SURPRISING TO
SOME THAT THESE 'INNOVATORS' HAD INFILTRATED THE
TOP LEVELS OF THE MAIN RELIGIOUS ESTABLISHMENTS,
ONLY A SMALL NUMBER OF YEARS WAS NEEDED TO
MAKE THEM VIRTUALLY POWERLESS... (Were these
establishments 'bought out' through financial contributions? -
Branton)

"Economic destabilization is implemented through a slower but
most efficient process. This process (already under way) will cause
the entire financial system of the West to collapse. The people
involved are the same people who cause the price of oil to go up
and then, after convincing European neighbors to agree to these
price rises, provide that the yield coming from the price rises will
be paid to the 'International Reserve Bank', which is entirely at their
command. The Reserve Bank hands the money over to a 'holding
bank' who lavishly loans the money to Third World countries for
usurious rates of interest.

"The holding bank receives the interest paid by the underdeveloped
countries, then puts it into another 'holding bank' which, in turn,
invests the huge quantity of money on behalf of the Arabs.

"Those investments are made into thriving large businesses. In the
meantime, only small interests are sent to Arab countries.

"Those who engineered the plan were perfectly aware that the
leaders of the underdeveloped countries would be tempted to
pocket a good part of the received money.

"I IRB will then tell the Arab countries that the holding bank
investments have turned out badly, all their assets had vanished and
that no interest will be paid any more. The Arab countries will then
have no choice but to put all the securities they own on the market,
as well as quite an amount of property bought by the second
holding bank. A good part of these possessions will then be frozen,
because they will have been bought with the aid of not entirely
repaid loans, and they will be part of the assets of the first holding
bank, gone bankrupt. The incredible quantity of shares put on the
market at the same time will cause a stock market crash of such
magnitude that all the national economies of the West will collapse
at the same time.

"The planet will find itself in a desperate predicament. Cash will
not be worth a damn, and the risks of a global confrontation
(planned!) will be high.

ENTER PINE GAP

"At this point, the usefulness of bases like Pine Gap will become
obvious. If a Global confrontation is going to break out, those
bases will serve as a place of safety for the politicians and their
staff, as well as the international financiers, their family and
friends.

"If no confrontation breaks out, the financiers will adapt a 'saintly'
attitude AND OFFER SUBSTITUTION OF ALL CURRENCIES
BY PLASTIC CARDS, ENSURING 'TRUE EQUALITY' FOR
ALL; THE ABOLITION OF ALL OWNERSHIP RIGHTS; and the
setting up of a World Government that will 'ensure peace'.

"The masses (consciousness as a group) will be convinced that it is
necessary to ensure Peace and Social Justice by any means,
including force. THE POTENTIAL ACHIEVED THROUGH THE
EQUIPMENT OF THE UNDERGROUND BASES WILL MAKE
POSSIBLE THE DISAPPEARANCE WITHOUT A TRACE OF
THOSE WHO DO NOT CONFORM AND THOSE WHO
'HINDER THE HAPPINESS OF THE PEOPLE'. Also, it will
ensure the swift crushing of any possible uprising. IT MAY ALSO
HAPPEN THAT OUR NEW 'MASTERS' WILL END UP
TELLING THE PEOPLE THAT THEY HAVE THE ALIENS'
SUPPORT, AND THAT WE (ARE) AT THE 'EVE OF THE
MILLENNIUM, A GOLDEN AGE'...... IT WILL BE THE WORST
DICTATORSHIP EVER KNOWN TO MANKIND.

"......IT IS QUITE CERTAIN THAT OTHER BASES HAVE BEEN
BUILT IN THE UNITED STATES AND ELSEWHERE IN THE
NORTHERN HEMISPHERE. IT MAY EVEN BE THAT THE US
BASES OCCUPIED BY THE GREYS, IN THE US MAINLAND,
ARE OF THE SAME TYPE. ONE RUMOR HOLDS THAT A
REPRESENTATIVE OF THE GREYS IS FOUND IN EACH OF
THE UNDERGROUND US BASES IN THE SOUTHERN
HEMISPHERE.

"None of the above has anything to do with science fiction. All of
what I said in this text is true, and doesn't give a very rosy picture
of the future."

[grover66]

Another interesting link to Pine Gap:

New World Order Centers:

U.S.A.

Denver Colorado, Western Sector. Atlanta Georgia, Eastern Sector.

Australia

Pine Gap - Alice Springs, Australia. This base is a massive multi-leveled facility run by the "Club of Rome" which, like the 'Bildeberger' organization, is reputedly a cover for the Bavarian Illuminati.


And I've read about a computer system apparently housed at Pine Gap called Beast 666 which holds details of us all:

MAIN FRAMES ALL OVER GATHERING DATA ON CITIZENS


The computer room at Pine Gap, when new, had one of the biggest computer rooms in the world; it has now tripled in size. There are said to be over 1,000 staff. A similar station to Pine Gap is located in South Africa with 1,200 staff. Like Pine Gap, is also linked to another VLF station at the South Pole.



Dr Gille tells us that Pine Gap has enormous computers connected to US, Krugersdorp South Africa, Guam, Canberra, Antarctica US base counterparts, which collects information from these countries, about finance, technology, and everything about the average citizen.


The Amundsen-Scott base at the South Pole is located on a sensitive magnetic spot of our planet, in that it holds exactly the same assets as Pine Gap, and that all the information about most of the average citizens of Western Europe is stored there in memory banks tens of meters under the icepack.


Canberra computers are connected to all banks, every post office, all telephones, all police stations and customs houses, every arrival and departure desk for air or sea travelers and to the other data centers collecting data on private citizens in the United States and Europe.


Peter Sawyer, a former high-ranking Australian civil servant. Also collaborates that all data about every citizen of the Western World ends up being stored. All financial, economic, political and military information. The president of the Rockefeller Foundation supervised, in person, the construction of 20 luxury residences in Canberra, which is meant to accommodate the world government-to-be. The 20 luxury residences will be allocated to the different foreign members of that government.

The Australian premier, Bob Hawk, was a Rhodes scholar, and as such, has worked toward the setting up of a One World Government.

[hagbard_celine]

I once saw Pine Gap, from the road. It's got a creepy energy. It's surrounded by a high fence and bushes. The driver of the coach I was on told me that if you ask anyone who works there what their job is they'll tell you they're only a cleaner.

[grover66]

I once saw Pine Gap, from the road. It's got a creepy energy. It's surrounded by a high fence and bushes. The driver of the coach I was on told me that if you ask anyone who works there what their job is they'll tell you they're only a cleaner.

I must admit that wasn't my experience with people who are employed there. If they were Australian, they usually told me what they did, although the Americans were more inclined to just answer "Contractor" or "IT" :)

I had a boyfriend back in the '80s whose best friend since childhood was going for a job there. My boyfriend's mother got a visit from a couple of American "suits" who were at her house for two hours apparently interrogating her about the best friend; basically wanting to know everything about him from his sexual preferences to drinking habits, any political views he held, colour of undies he wore on a Friday!! Well, not seriously that last one, but might as well have!

[hagbard_celine]

I must admit that wasn't my experience with people who are employed there. If they were Australian, they usually told me what they did, although the Americans were more inclined to just answer "Contractor" or "IT" :)

I had a boyfriend back in the '80s whose best friend since childhood was going for a job there. My boyfriend's mother got a visit from a couple of American "suits" who were at her house for two hours apparently interrogating her about the best friend; basically wanting to know everything about him from his sexual preferences to drinking habits, any political views he held, colour of undies he wore on a Friday!! Well, not seriously that last one, but might as well have!

That reminds me of the Frost Area 51 lawsuit!:eek: Frost and his colleagues got sick and died because they couldn't tell their doctors what they were doing on the Groom Lake base.

[hagbard_celine]

I must admit that wasn't my experience with people who are employed there. If they were Australian, they usually told me what they did, although the Americans were more inclined to just answer "Contractor" or "IT" :)

I had a boyfriend back in the '80s whose best friend since childhood was going for a job there. My boyfriend's mother got a visit from a couple of American "suits" who were at her house for two hours apparently interrogating her about the best friend; basically wanting to know everything about him from his sexual preferences to drinking habits, any political views he held, colour of undies he wore on a Friday!! Well, not seriously that last one, but might as well have!

There are bound to be different levels of secrecy within Pine Gap just like there are at Area 51. Not everyone at Area 51 will be invlived in examining aliens. Some will be simply support staff, or doing secret stuff, yes, but related to new spyplanes and fighter jets etc.

The person who told me that Pine Gap staff say that they're cleaners may have encountered some of the "inner circle". I didn't get the chance to ask him unfortunately.

[oneofmany]

:DWhat a load of bunk Grover!! Where is the evidence? The person who wrote this trash doesn't even know Bob Hawke's real past, let alone spell his name correctly. I didn't know we had a Premier in charge over here, I assumed it was a Prime Minister, but the evidence is what lets this pile of shit down. I happened on a cassette :D someone told me, :D:D It is said....said by who????? :D not to forget this classic..... Some say :rolleyes:


Cmon, show me some evidence and torpedo the heresay please.



A statement made by the Australian premier about 1987, assuring
that 'France must disappear from the Pacific, from the Kerguelen
Ridge, and from Antarctica' sheds light on the importance of this
polar base for the Anglo-Saxon world
:D What the shit are they talking about here? They can't even give us who said it!! let alone where or when....ABSOLUTE DRIVEL

[i_am]

:DWhat a load of bunk Grover!! Where is the evidence? The person who wrote this trash doesn't even know Bob Hawke's real past, let alone spell his name correctly. I didn't know we had a Premier in charge over here, I assumed it was a Prime Minister, but the evidence is what lets this pile of shit down. I happened on a cassette :D someone told me, :D:D It is said....said by who????? :D not to forget this classic..... Some say :rolleyes:


Cmon, show me some evidence and torpedo the heresay please.


:D What the shit are they talking about here? They can't even give us who said it!! let alone where or when....ABSOLUTE DRIVEL

Do you think this could explain the spelling and other errors? I am not sure what you are referrring to about Bob Hawke's past but if it is the Rhodes Scholar bit, that is correct as was Kim Beazley.


From Dr. Jean Francois Gille, who moved to Albuquerque, New Mexico from
France, comes a translation of a French document that exposes the
relationship between several factors in the matrix of world affairs. The
article, titled - 'PINE GAP BASE: WORLD CONTEXT', was written by Lucien
Cometta and later translated into English by Dr. John Gille:

[i_am]

BRANTON'S UNDERGROUND NETWORK DATABASE

The following is a partial list of areas where alleged 'Alien activity'
and/or 'underground installations' are said to exist within the United
States, and other countries. This list is the result of the combined efforts
of several researchers who have shared their information in an attempt to
locate those sites that have been confirmed by more than one source:

LEGEND

A2: Alternative 2 site
HS: Human Storage facilities
AB: Abduction Area
JF: Joint Human-Alien facility
AE: Ancient Excavations
MA: Geomagnetic anomalies
AS: Disk Activity Site
MB: MIB activity area
BF: Bigfoot Area
MN: Mine area
BH: Black Unmarked Helicopters
MU: Mutilation area
BR: Breeding Facilities
ND: Nordic Alien presence
CA: Human Captives
NZ: Bavarian/Nazi/CIA/NWO activity
CR: Crash Site
RE: Reptiloid Alien presence
CV: Natural Cavern Systems
SQ: Alien crew/living quarters
DM: Disk Maintenance areas
SR: Strange Residents
GA: Gravity Anomalies
ST: Storage for human/animal parts
GE: Genetics Lab
TN: Underground Tunnels
GR: Gray Alien presence
UG: Underground Facility



INTERNATIONAL:

AUSTRALIA:

PINE GAP - ALICE SPRINGS (A2,AS,DM,GR,HS,JF, NZ,SR,TN,UG)

[grover66]

:DWhat a load of bunk Grover!! Where is the evidence? The person who wrote this trash doesn't even know Bob Hawke's real past, let alone spell his name correctly. I didn't know we had a Premier in charge over here, I assumed it was a Prime Minister, but the evidence is what lets this pile of shit down. I happened on a cassette :D someone told me, :D:D It is said....said by who????? :D not to forget this classic..... Some say :rolleyes:


Cmon, show me some evidence and torpedo the heresay please.


:D What the shit are they talking about here? They can't even give us who said it!! let alone where or when....ABSOLUTE DRIVEL


How interesting that you decide to re-appear in a fanfare of "eyes rolling" in response to a post about Pine Gap, after having not posted since 11 October. :rolleyes: (thought I'd throw in a roll eyes there for good measure)

So he misspells Bob Hawke's (Rhodes Scholar and Fabian) name. If David Icke misspelled someone's name (which I'm sure he has at some stage), that makes his research any less valid?

There are strange deeds afoot at Pine Gap and I don't care who misspells what. I also read an interesting article recently about an ex Navy guy who has been submitting affidavits to the Supreme Court in Brisbane, if I remember rightly, trying to get a hearing going because he reckons he knows what happened to Harold Holt and that had some association with Pine Gap as well, because apparently Harold Holt was against the idea of letting the U.S. build a "secret" base on Australian soil. I've lost the link unfortunately, but I'll see if I can find it again.

[i_am]

How interesting that you decide to re-appear in a fanfare of "eyes rolling" in response to a post about Pine Gap, after having not posted since 11 October. :rolleyes: (thought I'd throw in a roll eyes there for good measure)

So he misspells Bob Hawke's (Rhodes Scholar and Fabian) name. If David Icke misspelled someone's name (which I'm sure he has at some stage), that makes his research any less valid?

There are strange deeds afoot at Pine Gap and I don't care who misspells what. I also read an interesting article recently about an ex Navy guy who has been submitting affidavits to the Supreme Court in Brisbane, if I remember rightly, trying to get a hearing going because he reckons he knows what happened to Harold Holt and that had some association with Pine Gap as well, because apparently Harold Holt was against the idea of letting the U.S. build a "secret" base on Australian soil. I've lost the link unfortunately, but I'll see if I can find it again.

I read this years ago. Here are some links. Gary Simmons is the Navy diver concerned :)

http://www.itwillpass.com/Gary_Simmons_1_Introduction.shtml

http://members.iimetro.com.au/~hubbca/harold_holt.htm

http://www.harold-holt.net/index.htm

http://www.harold-holt.net/Photopage01.htm

Mispelling - as I pointed out in post 8, it was a translation :)

[the_count]

Wow ! I have never heard of the place to be honest, sure made interesting reading, is there no "official" explanation as to what goes on there ?

[asentinel]

why are you demanding proof of anything?

I have spoken to people who have delivered materials out to the area, say there is virtually an underground city.

I have met many U.S. people, suspicuously military like, who say they are here on contract, or starting up a business, various unlikely stuff, and one knows that the reasons are not right.

There are many reasons why I believe this information and there is probably quite a lot more that we are not going to uncover or be revealed for the moment.

The person who has just demanded proof I suspect is a watcher and a provoker to tease out unguarded info from people on forums such as this.

So beware anyone posting things that may put themselves or others at risk.

We are certainly in the nightmare.

[i_am]

Wow ! I have never heard of the place to be honest, sure made interesting reading, is there no "official" explanation as to what goes on there ?

Nope! You now have more information than the majority of Australians, including politicians :)

But wait there is more :

Pine Gap

Australians Try To Evict Ultra Secret Pine Gap Base
By Jennifer Thompson
1-8-98

Senator Gareth Evans' comments to the Australian-American Association on November 21 leave no doubt about the Labor government's support for the continued presence of joint Australian-US spy bases here. He said, "The threat of superpower nuclear confrontation may have passed, but the need for [US bases, Pine Gap and Nurrungar] unequivocally remains".

There is plenty of other evidence that spells out the government's position in favour of the US bases and a continued military -- including nuclear -- alliance with the US. Speaking after his presentation to the International Court of Justice hearing on the legality of nuclear weapons on October 30, Evans said, "Nothing I have said today should be regarded as impacting on any alliance relationship we have with the US or anyone else".

Evans argues that the bases are particularly important post-Cold War for arms control verification -- in this case the commitments in a Comprehensive Test Ban Treaty which may be signed next year.

Yet Pine Gap's arms treaty verification role is estimated to be as little as 0.3% of its activity. According to bases expert and ANU academic Des Ball, "The undeniable fact is that Pine Gap is concerned with espionage", and the
information gathered "undeniably enhance[s] US strategic nuclear war-fighting capabilities".

Pine Gap, North-West Cape, Nurrungar and around 30 other sites make up the "joint US-Australia" facilities. Pine Gap is the most important installation and one of the largest satellite ground control stations in the world. It controls a small number of geostationary signals intelligence satellites, "the most secret of all US intelligence collection satellites".

“Eavesdropping in space:

In the 1960s, there was much technical expansion of electronic communications in space. Satellites equipped with powerful receivers were strategically positioned to eavesdrop on selected communications. The satellites act as giant microphones, which can accurately pick up even minor transmissions and rebroadcast them to receiving stations (such as Pine Gap) on earth, which then process or redirect the signals.

The first generation of satellites, launched in 1970 the year Pine Gap became operational, were designed to spy on Soviet missile developments and for general espionage in Asia. They were used during the 1971 Indo-Pakistan war, in Vietnam, and later to spy on China.

A second generation was launched in the mid-1970s, especially designed for communications surveillance -- for example, conversations and radio communications between Soviet military commanders.

The development of third generation satellites, launched in 1978, was stepped-up after the 1979 fall of the Shah forced the closure of US eavesdropping bases in Iran.

A fourth generation, Magnum, was launched on the space shuttle Discovery in January 1985. These were huge receivers designed to pick up information on Soviet missile tests, and military and diplomatic communications. From 1983, Pine Gap was expanded to receive the increased volume of signals from these satellites.

Nurrungar was established in 1971 as a US military communications base. Its main role is to monitor nuclear explosions and missile launch activity and convey the information to the US. It is the main overseas station for the US Defence Support Program (DSP).

“New lease:

In 1988 a new 10-year lease for the US facilities was signed by then Prime Minister Bob Hawke, without parliamentary, caucus, cabinet, let alone public discussion. The agreement specified a three-year notification period which required the Australian government to give notice in 1995 to close both Nurrungar and Pine Gap in 1998, when the leases come up for renewal.

When the agreement was renewed in 1988, Australia arranged to have greater access to the information collected by the bases. The notification period was also increased due to the "specific benefits to Australia of long-term access to their capabilities", said Hawke.

Hawke and defence minister Beazley then admitted what they had previously denied -- that the bases are used to collect electronic intelligence not simple "communications". Beazley said the bases "serve Australian interests" by giving Australia access "to information essential to our defence requirements". Part of the rationale for signing the renewal agreements was the ability to collect secret intelligence on countries such as Indonesia (now an Australian co-conspirator to steal oil from the Timor Gap).

Australian personnel was increased and an Australian deputy commander appointed at each base. The significance of these changes was aptly expressed by two November 1988 Financial Review headlines: "Bases now spy for Australia" and "Bases now have spying role in South East Asia".

“Gulf War:

The increased Australian role in the bases did not change their espionage and war-fighting functions. In the Australian Anti-Bases Campaign Coalition (AABCC) submission to the 1991 international Commission of Inquiry into the Gulf War, Hannah Middleton detailed the role the bases had played.

Middleton linked the Australian contribution to the Western-led alliance in the Gulf War to the numerous violations of international conventions governing the conduct of war.

Greater attention was given to Nurrungar, said Middleton, because the DSP operations could be portrayed as defensive by giving early warning of Iraqi SCUD missile launches against Israeli and Saudi/US targets. Nurrungar also played an offensive role by giving data on activities in the Gulf area that allowed the Western alliance to target its massive bombing raids.

The AABCC submission also documents how "North West Cape, as a naval communications base, was locked into the US command and communications structures in the Gulf, relaying signals to surface vessels and submarines", and that operations at Pine Gap helped make the massive US offensive against Iraq possible. Pine Gap intercepted electronic and radio signals from the Iraqi forces and provided information on Iraqi air and ground defences, troop deployments and military infrastructure.

During a May 1992 visit, US defence secretary Dick Cheney confirmed that the US bases in Australia had been used in the Gulf War. US Chief of Staff during the war, Colin Powell, also recently admitted that he ordered detailed planning for a nuclear strike against Iraq.

The bases were also, according to Cheney, to play a role in the Strategic Defence Initiative or "Star Wars". The Keating government agreed last May to collaborate with the US in developing the newer version of Star Wars, developed by the US Pentagon under the Clinton administration. The Theatre Defence Missile project, as it is called, threatens the 1972 Anti-Ballistic Missile Treaty and has sparked concern about a new nuclear arms race.

The federal government's 1994 defence White Paper reaffirms support for both the US nuclear weapons and the joint role of policing Asia and the Pacific to secure Australian and US strategic and economic interests. Despite the Keating government's professed commitment to nuclear disarmament, the White Paper states: "We will continue to support the maintenance by the US of a nuclear capability adequate to ensure that it can deter nuclear threats against allies like Australia".

Walden Bello, in People and Power in the Pacific: The Struggle for the Post-Cold War Order, notes the Australian government's role in steering the South Pacific Forum to set up a nuclear-free zone that doesn't exclude existing US and Australian nuclear involvement in the region. He concludes that Australia has fostered economic dependency and subordinated the interests of the Pacific Island states to its own interests, including its alliance with the US.

His conclusions are reflected in the government's White Paper: "Our alliance with the US helps to sustain the US engagement in [Asia and the Pacific] which supports our interests and those of the region as a whole".

The White Paper says that the government will continue to operate the US bases; Nurrungar and North West Cape may be phased out around the end of the century, but it "expects that Pine Gap will remain a central element of our cooperation with the US well into the next century".

The current agreements entrench Australia in US preparations to fight a nuclear or conventional war, and expand Australian facilities for spying on Asian countries. They reflect the Australian and US governments' mutual interest in a military -- including nuclear -- alliance to defend their imperialist interests, especially in Asia and the Pacific. If the Keating government was serious about peace and human rights in the Asia-Pacific region, not to mention nuclear disarmament, it would order the US bases out now.

[grover66]

Nope! You now have more information than the majority of Australians, including politicians :)

But wait there is more :

I read this years ago. Here are some links. Gary Simmons is the Navy diver concerned :)

http://www.itwillpass.com/Gary_Simmons_1_Introduction.shtml

http://members.iimetro.com.au/~hubbca/harold_holt.htm

http://www.harold-holt.net/index.htm

http://www.harold-holt.net/Photopage01.htm

Mispelling - as I pointed out in post 8, it was a translation :)


Thanks, I am, that's the man I was thinking of. Very interesting, isn't it?

What are your thoughts as to his veracity? He seems very credible to me and it seems stange that he would be going to so much trouble to try and get the thing heard in court, to no avail.

[grover66]

Wow ! I have never heard of the place to be honest, sure made interesting reading, is there no "official" explanation as to what goes on there ?

Hi The Count (another Sesame Street character, I see :))

The official story is that Pine Gap is a satellite tracking station.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Pine_Gap

[grover66]

why are you demanding proof of anything?

I have spoken to people who have delivered materials out to the area, say there is virtually an underground city.

I have met many U.S. people, suspicuously military like, who say they are here on contract, or starting up a business, various unlikely stuff, and one knows that the reasons are not right.

There are many reasons why I believe this information and there is probably quite a lot more that we are not going to uncover or be revealed for the moment.

The person who has just demanded proof I suspect is a watcher and a provoker to tease out unguarded info from people on forums such as this.

So beware anyone posting things that may put themselves or others at risk.

We are certainly in the nightmare.

That's very interesting what you say about an underground city. I've read accounts of that online.

And also a sketchy anecdote of mine in relation to that. Unfortunately at the time I was told this, I was still brain dead and not interested in Pine Gap at all (maybe they put something in the Alice Springs water supply to keep the locals dumbed down). Anyway, I had a Canadian boss at one stage and a friend of hers came to town to visit her (whom I think was Canadian as well).

Anyway, he'd been in the Air Force at one stage and had been stationed in the Philippines back in the 70s or 80s. I was doing the polite conversation thing and asked him what he thought of Alice Springs and he said it was all right, then added that he had actually been here once before although hadn't seen anything of the town.

Then he told me how one night when he'd been in the Philippines his crew were scrambled in the middle of the night for a top secret emergency mission. They weren't allowed to know where they were going. He said they eventually landed at the top secret destination and got off the plane and were led to a huge underground area. When he was there he managed to get out of someone that they were at Pine Gap, Alice Springs in Australia. He said he was bemused at the time and thought, "Hey, at least I can say I've been to Australia now".

[asentinel]

further to someone's comment about Harold Holt, I watched a documentary about Australia's history of Nuclear development. In this they explained that Harold Holt was profoundly affected by his view of WWII, and had wanted to have Australia develop some form of nuclear capability and autonomy, and at that time wanted to be independant of the U.S. alliance. He wanted UK to share some of the nuclear tech with Australia as was promised in a bargain to test on our land, but afterwards they would not allow it. This doco was explaining Holt's stance almost as a side issue, the main subject being the Nuclear research.

Gareth Evans was involved in selling out East Timor, regarding oil reserves and siding with Indonesia, wasn't he??

[i_am]

Thanks, I am, that's the man I was thinking of. Very interesting, isn't it?

What are your thoughts as to his veracity? He seems very credible to me and it seems stange that he would be going to so much trouble to try and get the thing heard in court, to no avail.

Yep from what I read about him some time ago, they were trying to have him committed. Also someone who said they would back him up, suddenly and mysteriously denied everything.

[sloughi]

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NuVvC4Ent6U&feature=related
UFO hit by a beam

[duckandcover]

Another interesting link to Pine Gap:

New World Order Centers:

U.S.A.

Denver Colorado, Western Sector. Atlanta Georgia, Eastern Sector.

Australia

Pine Gap - Alice Springs, Australia. This base is a massive multi-leveled facility run by the "Club of Rome" which, like the 'Bildeberger' organization, is reputedly a cover for the Bavarian Illuminati.


And I've read about a computer system apparently housed at Pine Gap called Beast 666 which holds details of us all:

MAIN FRAMES ALL OVER GATHERING DATA ON CITIZENS


The computer room at Pine Gap, when new, had one of the biggest computer rooms in the world; it has now tripled in size. There are said to be over 1,000 staff. A similar station to Pine Gap is located in South Africa with 1,200 staff. Like Pine Gap, is also linked to another VLF station at the South Pole.



Dr Gille tells us that Pine Gap has enormous computers connected to US, Krugersdorp South Africa, Guam, Canberra, Antarctica US base counterparts, which collects information from these countries, about finance, technology, and everything about the average citizen.


The Amundsen-Scott base at the South Pole is located on a sensitive magnetic spot of our planet, in that it holds exactly the same assets as Pine Gap, and that all the information about most of the average citizens of Western Europe is stored there in memory banks tens of meters under the icepack.


Canberra computers are connected to all banks, every post office, all telephones, all police stations and customs houses, every arrival and departure desk for air or sea travelers and to the other data centers collecting data on private citizens in the United States and Europe.


Peter Sawyer, a former high-ranking Australian civil servant. Also collaborates that all data about every citizen of the Western World ends up being stored. All financial, economic, political and military information. The president of the Rockefeller Foundation supervised, in person, the construction of 20 luxury residences in Canberra, which is meant to accommodate the world government-to-be. The 20 luxury residences will be allocated to the different foreign members of that government.

The Australian premier, Bob Hawk, was a Rhodes scholar, and as such, has worked toward the setting up of a One World Government.

I think you are correct about it being an information gathering mainframe, there is an identical site in yorkshire , uk, run by by the NSA. The `golf balls` or radomes house large communication dishes. Google menwith hill or echalon ;) Very secret sites for many years