bible code

[paganus]

has anyone else read the 'bible code' 1 and 2 by michael drosnin? whats your take on it?

[368jrn]

Yes i read the 1st about 10 years ago, but that was as an agnostic. The problem i see with these books is that they claim to show Hitler, WW1 and 2, (/11, Osama Bin Laden, etc etc. But what ive come to understand is that "history" and its events are orchestrated by TPB. So if the codes are hidden in the Torah, it is either TPB acting out the hidden codes, or "whoever" wrote the torah new that TPB would do all that they have done, and will do.

Another spin on this could be that as time is an illusion, and the past present and future is all happening simaltaneously, far more advanced beings ( the good guys )observed what happened in our "history" or our part in the time loop, and went back and inserted the information but hid it in the codes.

Perhaps the religion that the Jesuits ( Vatican ) are using as a front ( Judaism ) to implement their NWO via Zionism really does contain hidden info, infact, its right under their nose that they cant see it.

From what i remember the codes are only found after something happens, not much good as a prophetic tool. We`ll just have to wait and see, peace out.:)

[paganus]

Yes i read the 1st about 10 years ago, but that was as an agnostic. The problem i see with these books is that they claim to show Hitler, WW1 and 2, (/11, Osama Bin Laden, etc etc. But what ive come to understand is that "history" and its events are orchestrated by TPB. So if the codes are hidden in the Torah, it is either TPB acting out the hidden codes, or "whoever" wrote the torah new that TPB would do all that they have done, and will do.

Another spin on this could be that as time is an illusion, and the past present and future is all happening simaltaneously, far more advanced beings ( the good guys )observed what happened in our "history" or our part in the time loop, and went back and inserted the information but hid it in the codes.

Perhaps the religion that the Jesuits ( Vatican ) are using as a front ( Judaism ) to implement their NWO via Zionism really does contain hidden info, infact, its right under their nose that they cant see it.

From what i remember the codes are only found after something happens, not much good as a prophetic tool. We`ll just have to wait and see, peace out.:)in the second book a code is found which says extra-terrestrials wrote the whole thing!

[paganus]

a code was found which prevented an assasination.after,a code was found which read'you prevented it'

[octopusrex]

Another spin on this could be that as time is an illusion, and the past present and future is all happening simaltaneously, far more advanced beings ( the good guys )observed what happened in our "history" or our part in the time loop, and went back and inserted the information but hid it in the codes.

Most of my deeper feelings go towards this conclusion.

[paganus]

Another spin on this could be that as time is an illusion, and the past present and future is all happening simaltaneously, far more advanced beings ( the good guys )observed what happened in our "history" or our part in the time loop, and went back and inserted the information but hid it in the codes.

Most of my deeper feelings go towards this conclusion.could well be right i think.

[dmessick]

I'm leaning towards the "inserted info" theory also. And puting the codes in a widely used book like the bible seems believable.

[oiram]

Voynich_manuscript

Did I not hear this before "elaborate hoax" so if you can not read it must be a hoax! Don't they apply the same to the Bible because they can not understand & read it?
So they started very early with making up Hoaxes.
So much for the professionals not that smart after all!
http://wapedia.mobi/en/Voynich_manuscript
The Voynich manuscript is a mysterious illustrated book with incomprehensible contents. It is thought to have been written between approximately 1450 and 1520 by an unknown author in an unidentified script and language.

Over its recorded existence, the Voynich manuscript has been the object of intense study by many professional and amateur cryptographers, including some top American and British codebreakers of World War II fame (all of whom failed to decrypt a single word). This string of failures has turned the Voynich manuscript into a famous subject of historical cryptology, but it has also given weight to the theory that the book is simply an elaborate hoax — a meaningless sequence of arbitrary symbols.
Smart Guys to know about the Governments Elite manipulation Games
http://wapedia.mobi/en/History_of_cryptography
Cryptography has a long tradition in religious writing likely to offend the dominant culture or political authorities. Perhaps the most famous is the 'Number of the Beast' from the Book of Revelations in the Christian New Testament. '666' might be a cryptographic (i.e., encrypted) way of concealing a dangerous reference; many scholars believe it's a concealed reference to the Roman Empire, or more likely to the Emperor Nero himself, (and so to Roman persecution policies) that would have been understood by the initiated (who 'had the key to understanding'), and yet be safe or at least deniable (and so 'less' dangerous) if it came to the attention of the authorities. At least for orthodox Christian writing, most of the need for such concealment ended with Constantine's conversion and the adoption of Christianity as the official religion of the Empire.
SYMBOLS BIBLE
http://www.pacinst.com/efh/chapter11/666.html
Thus, the official title of the pope is Vicarius Filii Dei, Vicar of the Son of God. (A vicar is a substitute in office.) A person’s number was obtained by adding the numerical values of the letters in his name, that is, the values of the letters in the Roman numeral numbering system. If the letter had no value, the value of zero was assigned. For example, the value of I is one; the value of V is five; and the value of X is ten. There was no “U” in the Latin alphabet; the letter “V” is the correct letter. (This is the reason why sometimes inscriptions on older public buildings use a “V” instead of “U” — for instance, PVBLIC LIBRARY.) The values of the letters of this name, Vicarius Filii Dei, add up to 666, exactly as predicted in Revelation 13:18!
http://www.pacinst.com/efh/chapter11/666.jpg
No other power which has ever existed has precisely fulfilled every one of these fourteen points of identity as does the papacy. No other power has ever existed that even comes close to fulfilling these fourteen points of identity from the pages of the Bible. There have been many attempts made to throw the onus of this prophecy away from the pope and the Catholic Church, such as fitting the nations of empire into a different sequence than history shows. Many ingenious schemes have been devised to show that this number, 666, applies to other men, but these schemes are an obvious attempt to sidestep prophecy.
V = 5
O = 1
Y = 0
N = 0
I = 1
C =100
H = 0
107
Voynich (http://wapedia.mobi/en/Voynich_manuscript) = using the top system resolds is No. 107

I'm just playing around! Don't know if this is just stupid ore got anything to do with this?
http://www.usccb.org/nab/bible/psalms/psalm107.htm
1 [Psalm 107 A hymn inviting those who have been rescued by God to give praise (Psalm 107:1-3). Four archetypal divine rescues are described, each ending in thanksgiving: from the sterile desert (Psalm 107:4-9), from imprisonment in gloom (Psalm 107:10-16), from mortal illness (Psalm 107:17-22), and from the angry sea (Psalm 107:23-32). The number four connotes totality, all the possible varieties of rescue. The same saving activity of God is shown in Israel's history (Psalm 107:33-41); whenever the people were endangered God rescued them. The last verses invite people to ponder the persistent saving acts of God (Psalm 107:42-43).

2 [33-41] God destroyed Sodom and Gomorrah in Genesis 18-19, which the psalm sees as the destruction of the wicked inhabitants of Canaan to prepare the way for Israel (Psalm 107:33-34). God then led Israel through the desert to give them a fertile land (Psalm 107:35-38) and protected them from every danger (Psalm 107:39-41).
Psalm 107
King James Bible
http://onlineparallelbible.com/psalms/107.htm

http://www.pacinst.com/efh/chapter10/symbols.html
On the other hand, Revelation 17:5 describes a harlot, who represents a false church and is the mother of numerous false churches. “And upon her forehead was a name written, MYSTERY, BABYLON THE GREAT, THE MOTHER OF HARLOTS AND ABOMINATIONS OF THE EARTH.”

Thus we see that a woman in Bible prophecy represents a church.

The chart below summarizes the basic keys to understanding Bible prophecy.
http://www.pacinst.com/efh/chapter10/profsymbols.jpg

[2013]

apparently one of the predictions was of an assasination of saddat maybe ? i think and the person who cracked it attempted to show the politicain concerned the proof he had access to high up political figures but was ignored and they where killed anyway .( how much is necessary manipultion here anyhow ?After the fact they discovered that by looking up and down from the page rather than left to right with this info it had the name of the assasin ! The whole code was cracked by mosad and american military computers and while it says a computer would be used to crack the code! it is a bit suss that it was the american isreali computers that did the work .Another thing it is supposedly accesable as a 3 dimensional code as well but we dont have the technology yet to interpret it that way .Interesting concept either way , i havent read the second book as i leant it to someone who wouldnt read it and wouldnt give it back to me "in case " they needed it in future ?wtf lol :D

[paganus]

apparently one of the predictions was of an assasination of saddat maybe ? i think and the person who cracked it attempted to show the politicain concerned the proof he had access to high up political figures but was ignored and they where killed anyway .( how much is necessary manipultion here anyhow ?After the fact they discovered that by looking up and down from the page rather than left to right with this info it had the name of the assasin ! The whole code was cracked by mosad and american military computers and while it says a computer would be used to crack the code! it is a bit suss that it was the american isreali computers that did the work .Another thing it is supposedly accesable as a 3 dimensional code as well but we dont have the technology yet to interpret it that way .Interesting concept either way , i havent read the second book as i leant it to someone who wouldnt read it and wouldnt give it back to me "in case " they needed it in future ?wtf lol :Dha! ha! sounds ominous! what if you need it 'in future'?

[hagbard_celine]

Here's a sceptical vid about the Bible Code:

http://video.google.co.uk/videoplay?docid=-1470737180201704456&q=bbc+horizon+bible+code&total=1&start=0&num=10&so=0&type=search&plindex=0

I've not made up my mind about this yet.:confused:

[2013]

ha! ha! sounds ominous! what if you need it 'in future'?

Well according to the blurb that went with it the books code when deciphered correctly when we have the technology to do so contasins everything about everyone , but if this was the case then the same u.s and isreali computers that cracked it in the first place would then be able to provide the nwo with all the info they needed and wouldnt need those new legislations /security measures in place with the pretext of safeguarding us would they .Then again the code also stated having knowledge of an event before hand could prevent it by our avoiding the course of action that lead to it , so maybe they have cracked it but dont liek the future it gives them so therefore they have to keep changing things and re reading :eek:

[paganus]

Well according to the blurb that went with it the books code when deciphered correctly when we have the technology to do so contasins everything about everyone , but if this was the case then the same u.s and isreali computers that cracked it in the first place would then be able to provide the nwo with all the info they needed and wouldnt need those new legislations /security measures in place with the pretext of safeguarding us would they .Then again the code also stated having knowledge of an event before hand could prevent it by our avoiding the course of action that lead to it , so maybe they have cracked it but dont liek the future it gives them so therefore they have to keep changing things and re reading :eek:wow! never thought of that!:eek:

[dedicate]

The original Hebrew Torah is a wonderful code book. It is the Kabbala, and all knowledge. After learning this, one has not much interest in the King James Bible with it's "giants" for Nephelim, or "darkness and light" for tohu bohu. Except as a reference for English speakers.


Those predictive BibleCode books are the warp and woof of mankind. There is some truth there only. And the computer application of Equel Letter Distance have made many things evident for those with doubt. iF anything, these new additions (editions?) should lead one to take up the study of original Herbrew Torah, numerology, and kabbala. Not to predicting future specific events.

[the_mole]

a code was found which prevented an assasination. After, a code was found which read 'you prevented it'

Well if I were God, I'd play the following joke:
What you do is encode everything and yet nothing. So an event happens and now you know what to look for so you find something predicting it. If you prevented something happening, then you find a code saying 'you prevented it', yet had you failed, that code would never have existed to find. So if you are more open than most, you are more open in your searches. So if we are allowed and open to being warned, maybe we can be. If we don't want to be warned and don't care, maybe we cannot find it. Finally, it's time locked. Ie when the time is right we discover a way to read layer 1, ie a computer. Then later layer 2, ie super computer (currently size of a street say) etc...

If we have the freewill (to be manipulated) choices can be made. Therefore in my opinion fate is not written until it has happened.

[paganus]

apparently,the same thing can be done with a copy of 'Moby Dick'

[the_mole]

has anyone else read the 'bible code' 1 and 2 by michael drosnin? whats your take on it?

I'm reading book 2 now - I were looking on play.com for something and was reminded of it by mistake. I have a program somewhere that does that, I might get it out.

If I were a God I would encode What do you get if you multiply six by nine with forty two and sorry for the inconvenience. That would be funny. Still sure there were more to Douglas Adams.

If David Icke is useful to whatever intelligence exists, then he must be encoded in it somewhere. I might have a look later today. Unfortunately I only have English to rely on.

It's a shame you cannot contact the author. He'd probably get swamped though.

[paganus]

I'm reading book 2 now - I were looking on play.com for something and was reminded of it by mistake. I have a program somewhere that does that, I might get it out.

If I were a God I would encode What do you get if you multiply six by nine with forty two and sorry for the inconvenience. That would be funny. Still sure there were more to Douglas Adams.

If David Icke is useful to whatever intelligence exists, then he must be encoded in it somewhere. I might have a look later today. Unfortunately I only have English to rely on.

It's a shame you cannot contact the author. He'd probably get swamped though.supposedly it contains info on everyone who was,is and will be! let us know what you find.should be interesting!

[armoured_amazon]

has anyone else read the 'bible code' 1 and 2 by michael drosnin? whats your take on it?

They were entertaining. :p

[paganus]

They were entertaining. :pi take it your not convinced?

[armoured_amazon]

i take it your not convinced?

I think if there is any truth to the hidden Bible codes, the Holy Spirit is the only one to validate them and in accordance with Yahweh's orders, should only be used to confirm past events. Humans cannot objectively prove or disprove the existence of God. No new teachings have been found in the hidden codes claimed so far, so are they important? Then again, if there's anything hidden worth studying, Messiah codes are certainly the candidates.

Well, Drosnin was not a Christian, so how could he explain his and others' findings correctly and in line with the Holy Spirit? Those that work hard in denying the Bible Code are very clever but theirs is only earthly wisdom.

Certainly they are not clever enough to see that Jesus is their Messiah! :D

(off topic: I really need to find a word to replace 'Christian' for those of us who are Scriptural and not corporate lol)

Anyhoo, I enjoy reading all sorts of theories, even if they conflict with what I know to be true from experience. I weigh up what is relevant to me. I did enjoy the book. :)

[snoopsnuffleopagus]

Cordial Felicitations Paganus.

I think there is a third volume out also, it speaks of a 'Space-Craft' buried in the Desert by the Red Sea. Or is that in the Second Volume? It has been along time since I read them.


At 'First Blush', I was excited, Snoops Heart went: Pitter-Patter, Pitter-Patter, but the FACT the De-Coder ADDs their own Vowels seems; in my opinion, a wee bit dodgy.


I am investigating another angle.

All the Hebrew Consonantal Glyphs have Words & Meanings to themselves.

Example: The Aleph Glyph, first letter of the Alephbet, means: Unity


The Last Letter; Tau, means: Perfection.


So utilise the: Equi-Distant-Lettering-Sequence; and Translate what the Consonants imply. :)


Yet, still an interesting subject, but should not distract from the Core Premis of the Book: Self-Discipline, Self-Responsibility, Self-Accountability, whenever possible. :D



Kind Regards: Snoopsnuffleopagus

[skylark]

It can't be replicated in Moby Dick, War and Peace etc. despite what a number of 'experts' wheeled into MM studios have said. To Armoured Amazon: you'd be doing yourself a HUGE favour if you got yourself 'The Essene Origins of Christianity', by Edmond Bordeaux Szekely, I promise you. Best to all.

[armoured_amazon]

It can't be replicated in Moby Dick, War and Peace etc. despite what a number of 'experts' wheeled into MM studios have said. To Armoured Amazon: you'd be doing yourself a HUGE favour if you got yourself 'The Essene Origins of Christianity', by Edmond Bordeaux Szekely, I promise you. Best to all.

I have it already. People here assume I don't read.

But thankyou anyway.

[paganus]

Cordial Felicitations Paganus.

I think there is a third volume out also, it speaks of a 'Space-Craft' buried in the Desert by the Red Sea. Or is that in the Second Volume? It has been along time since I read them.


At 'First Blush', I was excited, Snoops Heart went: Pitter-Patter, Pitter-Patter, but the FACT the De-Coder ADDs their own Vowels seems; in my opinion, a wee bit dodgy.


I am investigating another angle.

All the Hebrew Consonantal Glyphs have Words & Meanings to themselves.

Example: The Aleph Glyph, first letter of the Alephbet, means: Unity


The Last Letter; Tau, means: Perfection.


So utilise the: Equi-Distant-Lettering-Sequence; and Translate what the Consonants imply. :)


Yet, still an interesting subject, but should not distract from the Core Premis of the Book: Self-Discipline, Self-Responsibility, Self-Accountability, whenever possible. :D



Kind Regards: Snoopsnuffleopagusthere is talk of an extra-terrestrial link in book 2.dont remember reading about a space-ship though.