alcohol

[paganus]

since joining the forum,i have seen some 'anti' alcohol posts.what are your opinions on it? is it a means of controlling the masses,or harmless/positive?

[extralien]

In my opinion, the use of alcohol, like any other form of drug, should be taught to us to be used moderately.

There is use and there is abuse.

Throughout history, people have used many forms of drug (alcohol is a drug as is tobacco) to reach a higher state of consciousness in order to commune with the spirit world or to gain divine knowledge etc. etc.

This current society bans almost all drugs. But why is the sale of alcohol permitted?
Because it is good for business. A natural drug grows in the ground. Alcohol does not.

Also, if you keep a society drunk, you can fine those who are drunk and disorderly or imprison those who break further laws whilst under the influence of alcohol. Meanwhile, the rest of you are happily merry and sleeping off the legal high you've worked all week for.

But now it seems there is a trend to ban smoking completely and soon I feel the banning of alcohol will come into place. This will be a method to ensure that the governments get the maximum amount of work hours out of you and will also take away the revenue the breweries earn so that the focus of your spending will be marketed towards something more 'governmental'.

[danucrom]

The further down the drain society seems to go the cheaper and more easily available alcohol seems to become, during the contrived fall of the soviet union people had to wait in line for bread, but vodka was easily available and dirt cheap!. Alcohol is a negative, highly addictive, highly destructive substance, that is why it is legal. The PTB count on many people who would otherwise be a problem for them to turn to alcohol and commit slow suicide.
Smoke weed instead, much better for the mind and body.

[nuit]

erm i cannot really comment till i change my avatar :D

[outofdarknesscomeslight]

It's definitely no co-incidence that a legal but destructive drug such as alcohol turns people into incoherent zombies and has no consciousness expanding effects whatsoever, yet relatively harmless but consciousness expanding drugs such as weed, mushrooms, LSD, ketamine and DMT are all illegal. Those at the top realise that the latter provide a means for perceiving beyond the five senses and therefore breaking out of the matrix. It's like David says, if the concern of the PTB was to protect the public, like we're led to believe, then alcohol certainly would not be legal and there'd be no reason to ban drugs such as mushrooms or weed. But as we all know, the agenda of the PTB is control, hence why something as harmless (to people, not the five sense 'egg shell') as mushrooms is made class A!

It's no co-incidence either that so many people are addicted to cocaine these days. What better way to distract people from what's going on than to get them hooked on a highly addictive substance that just so happens to re-enforce the five sense egg shell. The last thing people are going to care about is finding out how the world really works when all they can think about is getting their next fix...

It's been shown that MI5 and the CIA are the biggest cocaine smugglers in the world. If there was a way to legalise cocaine without the threat of mass public outrage, I'm sure they would...

[sensimillia]

It's definitely no co-incidence that a legal but destructive drug such as alcohol turns people into incoherent zombies and has no consciousness expanding effects whatsoever, yet relatively harmless but consciousness expanding drugs such as weed, mushrooms, LSD, ketamine and DMT are all illegal. Those at the top realise that the latter provide a means for perceiving beyond the five senses and therefore breaking out of the matrix. It's like David says, if the concern of the PTB was to protect the public, like we're led to believe, then alcohol certainly would not be legal and there'd be no reason to ban drugs such as mushrooms or weed. But as we all know, the agenda of the PTB is control, hence why something as harmless (to people, not the five sense 'egg shell') as mushrooms is made class A!

It's no co-incidence either that so many people are addicted to cocaine these days. What better way to distract people from what's going on than to get them hooked on a highly addictive substance that just so happens to re-enforce the five sense egg shell. The last thing people are going to care about is finding out how the world really works when all they can think about is getting their next fix...

It's been shown that MI5 and the CIA are the biggest cocaine smugglers in the world. If there was a way to legalise cocaine without the threat of mass public outrage, I'm sure they would...

very well put, i agree 100%.:)

[pri01]

It's definitely no co-incidence that a legal but destructive drug such as alcohol turns people into incoherent zombies and has no consciousness expanding effects whatsoever, yet relatively harmless but consciousness expanding drugs such as weed, mushrooms, LSD, ketamine and DMT are all illegal. Those at the top realise that the latter provide a means for perceiving beyond the five senses and therefore breaking out of the matrix. It's like David says, if the concern of the PTB was to protect the public, like we're led to believe, then alcohol certainly would not be legal and there'd be no reason to ban drugs such as mushrooms or weed. But as we all know, the agenda of the PTB is control, hence why something as harmless (to people, not the five sense 'egg shell') as mushrooms is made class A!

It's no co-incidence either that so many people are addicted to cocaine these days. What better way to distract people from what's going on than to get them hooked on a highly addictive substance that just so happens to re-enforce the five sense egg shell. The last thing people are going to care about is finding out how the world really works when all they can think about is getting their next fix...

It's been shown that MI5 and the CIA are the biggest cocaine smugglers in the world. If there was a way to legalise cocaine without the threat of mass public outrage, I'm sure they would...


Absolutely, I often have thinking sessions where topics such as this invade my mind and cause me to question. Why would any government allow a substance so distructive to human health mental and physical to be freely available? It wrecks lives, kills people and is the cause of most of the social violent outbursts domestically and socially today. It drains resources such as medical, police in addition to working days lost from hangovers etc. It doesn't make sense does it. Also, what is the history of alcohol? Who were the pioneers who invented it? Or were we taught? It makes sense though that whilst the majority of the adult population are unwittingly devoted to their well deserved, hard earned treat, they have little focus or desire to learn about what is going on around them.

[outofdarknesscomeslight]

Absolutely, I often have thinking sessions where topics such as this invade my mind and cause me to question. Why would any government allow a substance so distructive to human health mental and physical to be freely available? It wrecks lives, kills people and is the cause of most of the social violent outbursts domestically and socially today. It drains resources such as medical, police in addition to working days lost from hangovers etc. It doesn't make sense does it. Also, what is the history of alcohol? Who were the pioneers who invented it? Or were we taught? It makes sense though that whilst the majority of the adult population are unwittingly devoted to their well deserved, hard earned treat, they have little focus or desire to learn about what is going on around them.

You're right. If the adult population was stripped of their 'hard earned weekend treat', they would inevitably start to look for the causes of their economic slavery. But as it stands, people are encouraged to indulge in drunken escapism as a way to justify and block out the fact that they ultimately sell five out of every seven days of their lives away to the elite.

If people stopped indulging in mindless escapism they would realise that the economic system is set up for them to lose. It's like a casino - although there is a small chance of 'winning' or 'making it' for the average punter, the whole system is set up so that the odds are stacked greatly against them. In other words, the rich get richer and the poor get more in debt.

In the standard debate about which economic system is the most effective, people boast about how capitalism works better than all other systems, and they're right. It definitely works, it just doesn't doesn't work in the favour of anybody who isn't already at the top of the food chain.

I think that's one of the main purposes of alcohol. It provides people with a temporary escape from the fact that they are economic slaves and spend their whole lives working to make the rich richer... Without alcohol, or any other form of escapism for that matter, whether it's reality TV, celebrity culture, comfort food, professional sport or 'retail therapy', people would start to look for the real causes of their misery and subordination, and they would revolt. This is how the elite justify keeping it legal...

[outofdarknesscomeslight]

Also, given the notoriety of the problem with 'booze culture' we'd had in the UK for the last decade or so, you'd think that extending opening hours of pubs would be the worst thing to do. Well, you'd think that if you mistakingly believed that the government represented the best interests of the people, but as we are all well aware, that simply is not the case.

Is it a co-incidence that there is an obvious correlation between 'the awakening' and how readily encouraged alcohol is becoming? I think not...

[picha]

It probably should be banned IMO.

I dont know of any other drug that makes you feel as terrible the next day as alchohol does.

[sensimillia]

no bans needed. a personal choice is good enough for me...

[pedsi]

It probably should be banned IMO.

I dont know of any other drug that makes you feel as terrible the next day as alchohol does.

I take it you haven't tried speed then:)

[nuit]

I take it you haven't tried speed then:)

take it you have :D

[pedsi]

Aye regrettably:o

[nuit]

oh well just think of the knowledge (although narcotic based) you have gained by doing so

[kblood]

Wine and beer can be good for your health, but only if it is 1 glas (and no, not a 5 gallon glas), a day, then it can be healthy. I have heard about pot being able to be good medicine against some kinds of illness as well. Especially some mental illnesses, but then in other cases, it has a bad effect of course.

[nuit]

damn there goes my 10 gal glass in the bin

[extralien]

In the last three years, I've had two bottles of JD, three pints of guinness and a hip flask size bottle of vodka.

Apart from the guinness, the rest doesn't get consumed in on sitting.

I haven't had a TV for 7 years. I don't miss either of them.

The booze culture in the UK was just one part of the problem that I observed that made me choose to leave the UK.

The French love a good drop of wine. Red wine is supposed to be very good for you too. As is whiskey and guinness.

It does appear that the availability of alcohol and the lack of care and control given to it is a major factor in the dumbing down of more and more people.

There has been a major increase in youngsters drinking since the introduction of alco pops. This, without doubt, leads to obtaining further beverages.

As far as the government is concerened, well, I feel it does not bother them in the slightest. Or, perhaps I should say, the bankers who control the government. Especially as the house of commons has a heavily subsidised bar and the house of lords has its own brand of whiskey.

The bankers feed the politicians who pass laws. The politicians feed the emergency services and the citizens. The citizens keep the country running for the bankers. The people go out and get drunk on a weekend, who get 'involved' in a dispute, the police and ambulance are called, the people get fined/imprisoned, then eventually go back to work to pay their taxes so the emergency services can be paid for their work who get taxed themselves to pay the governments wages and the government keep doing their secret deals and handshakes with the bankers.

Then through anger or frustration, the people go out and get druk again to relieve themselves of the extreme stresses placed upon them by such an extreme form of control.

The funniest thing is, money is not worth the paper it's printed on yet we all continue to use it.
The whole banking system is about keeping you all in debt as a slave.
And yet, it's the money we work for to buy the booze to forget the problems this debt gives us!!!!

[nuit]

well i am setting myself up for a persecution here but please here me out before judging
i have allowed my son (12) to have the occasional alcopop, glass of wine (with 7up) but the reasoning behind this is...that if he knows it is ok with him to have a drink if wanted(and moderation) at home, i will not be getting a call of the police saying they have picked him up drunk on a corner with friends or worse than that he is in hospital beaten or something else because alcohol will not be as bigger draw to him like it would if it was taboo(no not the vodka based drink :rolleyes:)

[extralien]

The French do a similar thing with their children.

At the main family meal in the evenings, the parents will allow the kids to have some watered down wine.

This does the same thing as you are trying to do with your kid and it also helps the kids eat their meals and stay healthy.

Red wine gets the taste buds working an a good meal is gone in moments with shared with a glass of wine.:D

[nuit]

red wine gives me a headache as soon as i sniff it

[bennett211085]

I drink most evenings, but never to excess. Nowadays I get a hangover after drinking 2-3 pints. In the past I used to overdo it every night and then work the next morning still feeling pissed. :o

[clipwip]

Fine in moderation.

Consider: there are highly credible stories of adepts being given high doses of LSD and other hallucinogens for the first time and their only comment is, "you don't need this; it's all inside you." If you've taken these substances, that should give you an indication of the weight you should put on these issues.

I've never had a problem with a serious addiction, so it is not really my place to comment on that aspect.

Basically: Truth is a pathless course; it is up to each individual to find their own way. Teachers are useful up to a point; after that it is up to you alone.

[paganus]

i remember seeing an interview with david were he supped from a can of tennents super(whitch i love!)so i was just wondering!

[dmt head]

i remember seeing an interview with david were he supped from a can of tennents super(whitch i love!)so i was just wondering!


Yes was going to say that, it was at the end of that channel 5 prgoramme im sure, tennets super lager is what all the alkies in the streets here drink, the purple tin brigde we call them! awe I think its stinking and that should be banned!! Sure its like way over your daily allowance for one can, Told my dad that one, that icke drank it and he had a field day, now hes convinced ickes a loon if he drinks that he hates alcohol, bit of a beer nazi! He said you shouldnt have told me that lol

[dmt head]

Oh and red wine with steak and garlic butter with dijon mustard awe amazing, nice to eat some crackers and cheese and take a sip of red wine too amazing, then get the cheese and wine music on aka jazz funk lol

[extralien]

I'm with you 100% on that one dmt..

[cloudgazer]

Alcohol is one of the few drugs that is actually a depressant. It doesn't get you high at all! Once people drink beyond a buzz then alcohol starts to have a negative depressing effect.

Maybe other drugs that actually get you high or hallucinate are illegal because they are mind opening. I don't see what's mind opening about alcohol though. Except that when people are drunk they do act out their true desires whereas while they are sober they act out the part they're supposed to play.

I think moderate drinking is nice once in a while if you need to relax, but I don't think it's good to be dependent on it. I have a theory that people who always drink are really negative people. I have never met a person who isn't a jerk that drinks all time. I know this is a stereotype. Of course when I say jerk, I mean someone who isn't polite or nice. But maybe it seems like they're negative because they just don't give a damn what you think. Hmmm, so many questions, so few answers.

[cloudgazer]

well i am setting myself up for a persecution here but please here me out before judging
i have allowed my son (12) to have the occasional alcopop, glass of wine (with 7up) but the reasoning behind this is...that if he knows it is ok with him to have a drink if wanted(and moderation) at home, i will not be getting a call of the police saying they have picked him up drunk on a corner with friends or worse than that he is in hospital beaten or something else because alcohol will not be as bigger draw to him like it would if it was taboo(no not the vodka based drink :rolleyes:)


I see nothing wrong with this. I was allowed to drink a little alcohol as a child and you know what? Alcohol is not a big deal to me. In my country people of college age go crazy over alcohol because they were never allowed to drink it before, and when they turn 21 they overconsume alcohol. It's something I can't understand that well because I was always able to drink since I was 10 and before that I was allowed small amounts of alcohol. But these college kids (I'm still in college too haha, tho I'm 23) just can't get enough alcohol and they drink like alcoholics. In America some college kids actually die from drinking too much at parties. I'm pretty sure this doesn't happen very much in Europe tho.

[alrick888]

It does happen occasionally over here in Europe. I remember a while back during a hazing they forced a freshman newbie to drink a whole bottle of genever (Dutch gin, 40%) and he or she died as a consequence. Didn't start a nationwide discussion about "should we ban alcohol?" though like it does when somebody on shrooms think they can fly. ;)

From what I gather Northern Europe and US don't differ so much in their alcohol culture. Lots of culturally-condoned excess. If you go more towards Southern Europe though, even young people drink more for enjoyment, not so much to get drunk.

Alcohol is in fact pure poison. I work as a part-time mystery shopper and last weekend I got paid to drink and spy on the staff in a 5-star hotel. Had to drink all kinds of mixes. I hadn't eaten well before. I wasn't sick but I noticed for a couple of days my excrement was extremely light-colored. This happens when your liver has difficulty digesting fat. Anyone had this before?

[paganus]

It does happen occasionally over here in Europe. I remember a while back during a hazing they forced a freshman newbie to drink a whole bottle of genever (Dutch gin, 40%) and he or she died as a consequence. Didn't start a nationwide discussion about "should we ban alcohol?" though like it does when somebody on shrooms think they can fly. ;)

From what I gather Northern Europe and US don't differ so much in their alcohol culture. Lots of culturally-condoned excess. If you go more towards Southern Europe though, even young people drink more for enjoyment, not so much to get drunk.

Alcohol is in fact pure poison. I work as a part-time mystery shopper and last weekend I got paid to drink and spy on the staff in a 5-star hotel. Had to drink all kinds of mixes. I hadn't eaten well before. I wasn't sick but I noticed for a couple of days my excrement was extremely light-colored. This happens when your liver has difficulty digesting fat. Anyone had this before?
yeah,it can also give you diarreah!

[maggie]

Alcohol is very good for you.What is bad are the additives they mix in with the grapes or the grain.When I was in Europe one summer I had stayed by the mountains where there was a monastery.The monks made their own wine.I drank a whole bottle by my self with barely any food and I felt great.Barely a buzz.Tobacco is good too but the companies use every chemical they can to addict you.All these products are from the eart and they are here for a reason.The ugly truth is that these companies have hijacked their good uses by adding their junk to them to make you sick and for them to make a fortune.

[paganus]

Alcohol is very good for you.What is bad are the additives they mix in with the grapes or the grain.When I was in Europe one summer I had stayed by the mountains where there was a monastery.The monks made their own wine.I drank a whole bottle by my self with barely any food and I felt great.Barely a buzz.Tobacco is good too but the companies use every chemical they can to addict you.All these products are from the eart and they are here for a reason.The ugly truth is that these companies have hijacked their good uses by adding their junk to them to make you sick and for them to make a fortune.yup,the native americans didnt have a problem.

[maggie]

yup,the native americans didnt have a problem.

That is exactly what I was referring to.

[panic_stricken]

more people use pubs to snort cocaine now rather than drink because of the high prices of alcohol in pubs an low cocaine prices.

[nuit]

more people use pubs to snort cocaine now


straws and rolled up bank notes gone out of fashion :D

[panic_stricken]

less chance of catching Hep C ;)

[nuit]

lol i like it :D

[on the road]

The further down the drain society seems to go the cheaper and more easily available alcohol seems to become, during the contrived fall of the soviet union people had to wait in line for bread, but vodka was easily available and dirt cheap!. Alcohol is a negative, highly addictive, highly destructive substance, that is why it is legal. The PTB count on many people who would otherwise be a problem for them to turn to alcohol and commit slow suicide.
Smoke weed instead, much better for the mind and body.

Blob on !

[milone]

Hey Nuit, that brought back so many memories. I was always raised with wine or beer on the table (Italian family). My parents always gave us a small amount of wine mixed with ginger ale. Looking back that had a huge impact on how I viewed alcohol in my teen years. It was never locked up in a cabinet and treated as taboo so I never felt like I had to get wasted and binge drink. Here in Ontario alcohol is only sold from govt. run "liquor stores"and "beer stores", while one province over in Quebec both can be purchased from convenience stores and gas stations. Why such control?? Are people in quebec all strung out on booze on every street corner as a result? Of course not. It's a modern form of prohibition.

[nuit]

hi thanks for that, it is nice to see that some people view my method as kind of a worthwhile excercise

[gods sun]

your very right too me alcohol is a drink which lets mojos into you, you drink it to invite other spirits to take you over instead of you taking over your own body which is a risk alot of people take to see where they go but it doesnt wake you up to real world like other dmt brews, im guessing jeigermiester is the closest to dopamine? so why do the russian say alcohol contain magical power hay? thats baffeled me a bit.

[2013]

hi thanks for that, it is nice to see that some people view my method as kind of a worthwhile excercise

True i tried to do the same with my brother as i was a right plonker when i started drinking as a teenager .Everything in moderation .If all we consumed was natural as intended we wouldnt have problems either .The nativetribes of america and australian have been decimated by alcohol amongst other things .The people fit to rule are those who wouldnt want the job in the first place the voice of reason is never listened to above the clamour for power and control .Free school wine with meals i say milk is poison anyway .sorry i thought i was in an alternative reality there one in which all is just and fair .Still good to see people slipping thru to this one more and more :D

[cowboy]

It's definitely no co-incidence that a legal but destructive drug such as alcohol turns people into incoherent zombies and has no consciousness expanding effects whatsoever, yet relatively harmless but consciousness expanding drugs such as weed, mushrooms, LSD, ketamine and DMT are all illegal. Those at the top realise that the latter provide a means for perceiving beyond the five senses and therefore breaking out of the matrix. It's like David says, if the concern of the PTB was to protect the public, like we're led to believe, then alcohol certainly would not be legal and there'd be no reason to ban drugs such as mushrooms or weed. But as we all know, the agenda of the PTB is control, hence why something as harmless (to people, not the five sense 'egg shell') as mushrooms is made class A!

It's no co-incidence either that so many people are addicted to cocaine these days. What better way to distract people from what's going on than to get them hooked on a highly addictive substance that just so happens to re-enforce the five sense egg shell. The last thing people are going to care about is finding out how the world really works when all they can think about is getting their next fix...

It's been shown that MI5 and the CIA are the biggest cocaine smugglers in the world. If there was a way to legalise cocaine without the threat of mass public outrage, I'm sure they would...


I disagree with you here. First, they want people on Illegal drugs, solely due to the fact they want to get you into the system. Which is why the CIA ships in the cocaine. Then they advertise seling narocotics to the black community through the pop culture/counter culture, and the use of narocotics through the counter culture.

Cocaine isn't healthy, However, they will put you in prison for 5 years and slap you with a felony for using $5 worth of the stuff. The "War on Drugs" is a war against the people. If cocaine and heroin were LEGAL -- the drugs themselves would cause problems. However, they couldn't literally ruin the lives of normal recreational users. As i stated earlier, if you get caught with a small bag of cocaine now -- your live is ruined. Not only do you go to prison for years, you are a convicted felon which means you can't get a job, plus you will be in the system.

Lastly, we have public schools pushing hardcore psychotropic drugs on 7 year olds. SSRI's, extreme amphetamines, MAOIs, etc...Which all have extreme side effects. All school shooters, mall shooters have been on SSRI's. Literally all of them. Meanwhile they will swat team your house for a bag of marijuana, or cociane they have been caught shipping in time and time again. It's a joke.

They are getting the kids on the really bad psychotropic (legal) drugs at a young age. Meanwhile they are arrest and imprison you for using less-lethal drugs (marijuana,cocaine,mushrooms).


I'm not saying illegal drugs are good. They are certainly not. I personally only use marijuana once every few months, but the side effects of cocaine and other illegal drugs are a walk in the park compared to the punishments. In a free society it's wrong for imprisoning someone from experimenting with their consciousness.

[otto vollov]

I think, Cowboy, that you are a miss about what outofdarkness was saying. The drugs, coke and heroin, are not known to be mind expanding chemicals and are in fact highly addictive as are a greater portion of the stuff put out by BIG PHARMA. You're right about getting people into the system and that's why it is there is a 20 fold increase in the poppy fields of Afghanistan. Ever since the most powerful military took over. Just like in Vietnam. The idea is to destabilize the population, build more prisons, get more laws for confiscation.

Now, I'm going to go drink a little wine. Bye :D

[cowboy]

I think, Cowboy, that you are a miss about what outofdarkness was saying. The drugs, coke and heroin, are not known to be mind expanding chemicals and are in fact highly addictive as are a greater portion of the stuff put out by BIG PHARMA. You're right about getting people into the system and that's why it is there is a 20 fold increase in the poppy fields of Afghanistan. Ever since the most powerful military took over. Just like in Vietnam. The idea is to destabilize the population, build more prisons, get more laws for confiscation.

Now, I'm going to go drink a little wine. Bye :D



Oh, i totally agree they don't expand consciousness at all, and they can lead to destructiveness. However, they certainly don't want them legal. Keepin them illegal they can cut out the competition, jack up the prices, and then enslave people for using them.

The best solution to drug abuse is decriminalize and spread the truth about the drugs and ther uses, IMO. :)

[otto vollov]

Oh, i totally agree they don't expand consciousness at all, and they can lead to destructiveness. However, they certainly don't want them legal. Keepin them illegal they can cut out the competition, jack up the prices, and then enslave people for using them.

The best solution to drug abuse is decriminalize and spread the truth about the drugs and ther uses, IMO. :)

Vote for Freedom, Liberty, and a new American future.
Vote Ron Paul

I'll drink to that

[cowboy]

Vote for Freedom, Liberty, and a new American future.
Vote Ron Paul

I'll drink to that

me too brother. :)

[dmessick]

I do love my black label scotch though. :)

[corivss]

since joining the forum,i have seen some 'anti' alcohol posts.what are your opinions on it? is it a means of controlling the masses,or harmless/positive?

Sticky subject. I drink probably at least 5 days a week. Although, I do not use my alcohol tendencies for wrong doing or negative purposes. Todays youth, especially the college lifestyle in america, seems to use alcohol as a means to simply "get fucked up" or an excuse to "hook up." No, this is not healthy. In my opinion, it is actually completely disgusting and a step in the wrong direction. Allowing such a tendency is is a giant leap backwards in understanding our reality. I understand that the world is a fucked up place, and therefor people want to get fucked up to block out their negative views of reality, but that does not further advance spiritual growth. So.... In my opinion, alcohol can be used for positive purposes. Mostly, with todays sadly misguided youth, it is used with very negative intentions. I guess thats all I can say on the subject. Time for another beer.

[zarah]

Ive been drunk prolly twice in the last year and both times I noticed strange bowel movements a couple of days after, exactly as if Id been eating too much fat.

With regard to banning alcohol, it's a double edge sword. Im completely against an increase in governmental control, there's already far too much centralised power, but a culture where excessive drinking is almost promoted isn't helping the breakdown of society we're currently experiencing.

I watched Eastenders for the first time in ages the other week and it amazed me how much the characters where drinking as part of their every day life. If I drunk the way the blonde sisters do day in day out Id have a pickled liver in a month :eek:

[mountain]

I think that's one of the main purposes of alcohol. It provides people with a temporary escape from the fact that they are economic slaves and spend their whole lives working to make the rich richer... Without alcohol, or any other form of escapism for that matter, whether it's reality TV, celebrity culture, comfort food, professional sport or 'retail therapy', people would start to look for the real causes of their misery and subordination, and they would revolt. This is how the elite justify keeping it legal...

Hmmm.... speaking of which, I would like to express that liquor labels contain more symbols and crest, I think, more than any other physical substance. ;)

[outofdarknesscomeslight]

I disagree with you here. First, they want people on Illegal drugs, solely due to the fact they want to get you into the system. Which is why the CIA ships in the cocaine. Then they advertise seling narocotics to the black community through the pop culture/counter culture, and the use of narocotics through the counter culture.

You missed my point. I'm not saying that the PTB don't want people on illegal drugs because they clearly do. They just don't want you doing drugs that expand your consciousness - Drugs such as LSD, marijuana, ketamine, shrooms and mescaline. That's the main reason that most of these these drugs are illegal in the first place - not because they're harmful or destructive but because they allow you to see things from a higher perspective and therefore break free from all the social conditioning and programming. This is also why these particular drugs are the subject of so much negative propaganda.

Take ketamine for example: Ketamine is one of the safest drugs available, with little if any side effects (Other than 'hallucinations', of course). It's FAR safer than the majority of legal prescription drugs and because of that it's actually used in high doses as an anesthetic in hospitals. Of course, they don't tell you all of this in the media. All you hear is 'Ketamine is a horse tranquilizer', which is also partly true but misleading nonetheless. It is used, in very high doses, to tranquilize horses, but the doses used in recreational use are MUCH lower.

It always amuses me to see people who have never tried ketamine go on about how 'bad' it is. I've had some incredibly profound spiritual experiences whilst under the influence of it, including having the 'veil of separation' completely removed and experiencing 'oneness' in it's purest form. In my experience it's one of the safest drugs available: It's very rarely cut with anything, there's no 'comedown' and an hour or so after using it, you feel exactly the same as you did before. So why is it illegal? Hmm... I wonder...

And why are shrooms and marijuana illegal? They're natural and they're far safer, less destructive and better for you than alcohol and a lot of prescription drugs. They also just so happen to allow you to tap in to higher forms of consciousness...