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cybersurf
23-12-2010, 05:18 AM
Death Camps were, are and will be built to process not only homosexuals, insane and inferior races, in today death camps you are a wanted inmate. They are called psychiatric clinics. Psychiatric Clinics in Germany killed inmates in gass chambers (a truck adapted to kill them with carbon monoxide). In other "Clinics" patients were just thrown down the ladderes.

In today psychiatric Institutions (Today's Death Camps) you can be zeised without authorization, jut by the accusation of your ex-wife that you're insane. Electoshoked, lobotomized and many more.

Psychiatry, euthanasia, and Hitler's holocaust

Psychiatrists admit they created the euthanasia program and ideology that fueled Hitler's holocaust

It is cold, hard documented fact that German psychiatrists devised the "scientific" justification for euthanasia before World War II, before even Hitler came to power. It is also a documented fact that they established the gas chambers and killing centers in the concentration camps and trained and apprenticed others on how to kill. This is documented from psychiatry's own words and documents.

In 1920, Alfred Hoche, a professor of psychiatry, and Karl Binding, a jurist [an scholar in the science or philosophy of law], published Permission to Destroy Life Unworthy of Life, equating killing as a "healing treatment."[i] They advocated the outright killing of mental defectives, stating that, "For the idiots… the continuation of life for society as well as for the person himself has no value."[ii]

The first psychiatric "killing test" (gassing experiment) was conducted at Brandenburg psychiatric institution in 1940, where 18 patients were murdered while psychiatrists and staff watched. Following the experiment's "success," the euthanasia program began in earnest.

Few are aware of psychiatry's role because, as the German Society of Psychiatrists finally confessed in 1999, information has been paralyzed and suppressed. Indeed, in 1990, Johannes Meyer-Lindenburg, ex-president of the Germany Society of Psychiatrists, addressed the annual meeting of the American Psychiatric Association and, while acknowledging the "failure of psychiatrists" to "insist on basic ethics" to "prevent the Holocaust of so many of their patients," asked his colleagues to reconsider German psychiatry in light of its wartime heroes and laudable achievements instead. Australian psychiatrist Ernest Hunter said that Meyer-Lindenburg, "constructs an image that denies the active role of the profession at every level."[iii]

Yet, as A. Mitscherlich and F. Mielke, chronicled during the Nuremberg Medical Trials in 1947, "Their atrocities were so unrestrained and at the same time organized with such technical bureaucratic coldness, malice and bloodthirstiness, that no one can read about it without feeling the deepest shame."[iv]

In 1995, after 20 years of in-depth research, CCHR helped write and publish the book Psychiatrists: The Men Behind Hitler, a book that prompted the President of the then German Society of Psychiatrists to write to the Minister of Interior asking for his help to silence CCHR. CCHR increased its efforts and in August 1999, the German Society of Psychiatrists publicly admitted psychiatrists had been "active in and primarily responsible for the different euthanasia organizations."[v] In its publication called "In Memorium," written for an exhibit on psychiatry's role in the Holocaust, and shown at the annual congress of the World Psychiatric Association in Hamburg, the following admissions were made:

During the National Socialist regime, "…psychiatrists killed their patients."[vi] �
Michael von Cranach, director of Kaufbeuren Clinic

"The responsibility of doctors and the profession of medicine, in which psychiatry must be seen to figure prominently, may be examined on several levels:
as providers and refiners of the ideological and intellectual foundations for race theory and medical killing;
as influential supporters lending legitimacy to an immoral regime, both silence and complicity;
as planners and administrators within the bureaucracy of state sanctioned killing;
as designers and refiners of systems for expeditious killing;
as executioners;
as beneficiaries of the suffering and deaths of their victims (through payment for processing euthanasia evaluations of psychiatric patients, power within the state medical system, and advancement through 'research'); and as survivors, who have frequently fared far better in the aftermath of the War and the Holocaust than other supporters of the murderous regime."[viii] —
Dr. Ernest Hunter, M.D.

"During the 1930s the German public were prepared for the killing of psychiatric patients by sophisticated propaganda, including emotional films in which degraded psychiatric patients were used to present an argument for their own ultimate annihilation." —
Dr. Ernest Hunter

"Ultimately, over a quarter-of-a-million sterilizations were performed. The major force in this program being Dr. Ernst R�din, a Swiss psychiatrist who became professor in Munich and who had been a student of Emil Kraepelin (German psychiatrist)." —
Dr. Ernest Hunter

"Medical observers from the United States and Germany at the Nuremberg Trials, concluded that the Holocaust might not have taken place without psychiatry."[ix] —
Peter Breggin, M.D., psychiatrist, "Psychiatry's role in the Holocaust," International Journal of Risk and Safety in Medicine, 1993

"German psychiatrists proposed the killing of mental patients before Hitler came to power. Then in Nazi Germany, organized psychiatry implemented involuntary eugenical sterilization and euthanasia, ultimately killing up to 100,000 German mental patients. The six psychiatric euthanasia centers utilized medical professionals, fake death certificates, gas chambers disguised as showers, and the mass burning of corpses…. Eventually, 250,000 to 300,000 patients were murdered throughout Europe according to the Allied estimate at the Nuremberg Doctors' Trial."[x] —
Peter Breggin, M.D.

"…It should be realized that this program was merely the entering wedge for exterminations of far greater scope in the political program for genocide of conquered nations and the racially unwanted. The methods used and personnel trained in the killing centers for the chronically sick became the nucleus of the much larger centers in the East, where the plan was kill all Jews and Poles and to cut down the Russian population by 30,000,000."[xi] �
Leo T. Alexander, psychiatrist, U.S. Army Representative at the Nuremberg Trials

"The tragedy is that psychiatrists did not have to have an order. They acted on their own. They were not carrying out a death sentence pronounced by someone else. They were the legislators who laid down the rules for deciding who was to die; they were the administrators who worked out the procedures, provided the patients and places, and decided the methods of killing; they pronounced a sentence of death in every individual case; they were the executioners who carried it out—without being coerced to do so—surrendered their patients to be killed in other institutions; they supervised and watched the slow deaths."[xii] —
Frederic Wertham, psychiatrist, quoted in A Sign for Cane

"The euthanasia centers played a central role in developments leading to the larger holocaust…. When the giant extermination centers were set up in the east, a psychiatrist from the euthanasia program was…one of the first commandants. Consultants from the euthanasia program helped set up these extermination camps and personnel from the program initially staffed them. …Furthermore, the first systematic murders of concentration camp inmates took place in the euthanasia centers under the direction of teams of psychiatrists led by Werner Heyde."[xiii] —
Peter Breggin, M.D.

"…something like 40 percent of German psychiatrists had joined the SS by 1933. They weren't forced into the SS. They just joined it naturally because the beliefs were very, very similar…. Hitler was promoting the idea that white people were top of the tree in some way, and so were the psychiatrists…." —
Craig Newnes, Consultant Clinical Psychologist, UK, quoted in CCHR's documentary: "Psychiatry: An Industry of Death"

"Academic medicine in Germany on the whole stood waist-deep in the Nazi sewer, and bears heavy responsibility for the disaster that followed. After 1933, degeneration [racial purity] became an official part of Nazi ideology." Subsequently, "the notions of degeneration and heredibility became identical" and "synonymous with Nazi evil."[xiv] —
Edward Shorter, A History of Psychiatry: From the Era of the Asylums to the Age of Prozac, 1997

"The significance of racial hygiene did not become evident to all aware Germans until the political activity of Adolf Hitler and only through his work has our 30-year-long dream of translating racial hygiene into action finally become a reality." —
Ernst Rüdin, German psychiatrist, circa 1930s

Find out for yourself about what led to the Holocaust and how psychiatry's genocidal ideology spawned other crimes against humanity. Watch CCHR's documentary, "Psychiatry: An Industry of Death."


[i] Ernest Hunter, M.D., "The Snake on the Caduceus: Dimensions of Medical
and Psychiatric Responsibility in the Third Reich," Australian & NZ
Journal of Psychiatry, 9 Apr., 1993, 27:149-156.
[ii] Lenny Lapon, Mass Murderers in White Coats, (Springfield, MA,
Psychiatric Genocide Research Institute, 1986), p. 78.
[iii] Ernest Hunter, M.D., Op. Cit., 27:149-156.
[iv] In Memorium, (German Society of Psychiatrists), Aug. 1999, p. 9.
[v] Ibid., p. 43.
[vi] Ibid., p. 9.
[vii] Ibid., p. 43.
[viii] Ernest Hunter, M.D., Op. Cit., p. 154.
[ix] Peter Breggin, M.D., "Psychiatry's role in the Holocaust,"
International Journal of Risk and Safety in Medicine, Vol. 4 (1993), pp.
133-148.
[x] Ibid., pp. 133-148.
[xi] Ibid.
[xii] Ibid.
[xiii] Ibid.
[xiv] Edward Shorter, A History of Psychiatry: From the Era of the Asylums
to the Age of Prozac, (John Wiley & Sons, Inc., New York, 1997), p. 99.

cybersurf
23-12-2010, 05:29 AM
Any ideas for a poll?

bss731
23-12-2010, 05:32 AM
the elite want people to be homo...its part of eugenics...no poll needed

I would say proof being same sex marriage and the religious leaders that rule the world are men that fuck boys.

torus
23-12-2010, 05:40 AM
Black Sabbath - Under the Sun/Every Day Comes and Goes - YouTube

bss731
23-12-2010, 06:02 AM
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=yj4b24Yiej0

A friend once told me music is the word of "god" speaking to us. Truth is in music right?

mikethepunk
23-12-2010, 11:30 AM
thank u!

and mostly jews were killed, not just jews, but more jews than most other parties.

research into all the different badges the nazis made up for all the different parties put into the camps.

tinyint
23-12-2010, 11:33 AM
Any ideas for a poll?

Yes.

"Does cybersurf believes the gas wagon hoax?"

"Woodchips in your head?" Is another option.

http://vimeo.com/17829972

Page not found on Vimeo

tinyint
23-12-2010, 11:36 AM
PS: What the source for this zionist piece of lies you posted?

Show us the documents please. The original ones, in German of course. I can translate them for myself.

Have you ever heard of Raul Hilberg, Jan Robert van Pelt and Jean C. Pressac OP?

99 percent of the Auschwitz-witness accounts cannot be proven criminologically/scientifically-forensically

The jewish Jan Robert van Pelt

This study already demonstrates the complete bankruptcy of the traditional (Holocaust) history ... a history based for the most part on testimonies, assembled according to the need of the moment, truncated to ft an arbitrary truth and sprinkled with a few German documents of uneven value and without any connection with one another.

J.C. Pressac



Oh noes not another Holocaust Poll (http://www.davidicke.com/forum/showthread.php?t=146992)

Is it "its all proven day , but I can't show you" again?

rodin
23-12-2010, 11:48 AM
thank u!

and mostly jews were killed, not just jews, but more jews than most other parties.

research into all the different badges the nazis made up for all the different parties put into the camps.

Not according to this poll

http://www.davidicke.com/forum/showthread.php?t=146992

There is not a shred of indisputable forensic evidence for the Holocaust

There is a mountain of proven forgeries and fakes

There is a mountain of indisputable forensic evidence disproving the claims

And there is a smaller pile where truth has not yet been firmly established one way or the other

tinyint
23-12-2010, 11:55 AM
In 1961 the Jew Raul Hilberg, orthodox historian of the Holocaust cult, published the first edition of his major work, The Destruction of the European Jews, and it was in 1985 that he brought out the second edition, a profoundly revised and corrected version.

In the first edition the Hilberg had brazenly affirmed that “the destruction of the Jews of Europe” had been set off following two consecutive orders given by Hitler. Hilberg neither specified the dates nor reproduced the wording of the alleged Hitler orders. Hilberg professed to explain in detail the political, administrative and bureaucratic process of that destruction. He went so far as to write that at Auschwitz the extermination of the Jews was organized by an office that was in charge of both the disinfection of clothing and the extermination of human beings (The Destruction of the European Jews, 1961, republished in 1979 by Quadrangle Books, Chicago, p. 177, 570).

However, in 1983, Hilberg suddenly changed his tune. He proceeded to state that the business of “the destruction of the European Jews” had, after all, gone on without a plan, without any organization, centralization, project or budget, but altogether thanks to “an incredible meeting of minds, a consensus-mind reading by a far-flung bureaucracy” (Newsday, New York, February 23, 1983, p. II/3).

In October 2006, Hilberg told Le Monde: “There was no pre-established guiding plan. As for the question of the decision, it is in part unsolvable: no order signed by Hitler has ever been found, doubtless because no such document ever existed. I am persuaded that the bureaucracies moved through a sort of latent structure: each decision brings on another, then another, and so forth, even if it isn’t possible to foresee exactly the next step” (Le Monde des livres, October 20, 2006, p. 12).

Hilberg disowned his first version and to explain a gigantic undertaking of collective murder as if it had all been carried out through something like the workings of the Tooth Fairy. The alleged mass extermination of the Jews si supposed to have taken place without intent and without a plan. It is alleged to has happened all by itself, spontaneously and through improvisation. Yes, Germans are famous for their spontaneity. German soldiers never need orders.


Who are Raul Hilberg, J.R. van Pelt and J.C. Pressac?
"Deniers"?"Belittlers"?

YouTube - Broadcast Yourself.

bukowski
23-12-2010, 12:39 PM
the elite want people to be homo...its part of eugenics...no poll needed

i would say proof being same sex marriage and the religious leaders that rule the world are men that fuck boys.

true

cybersurf
24-12-2010, 12:31 AM
thank u!

and mostly jews were killed, not just jews, but more jews than most other parties.

research into all the different badges the nazis made up for all the different parties put into the camps.

Homos:
http://x94.xanga.com/b90f5b6656132249024574/z197540658.jpg

The fucking nazi leaders were homos themselves:

Göring was known as Fraulein Hana:

http://blog.starwreck.com/wp-content/uploads/2008/06/goering.jpg

Star of David, for non influential jews:

http://www.truthdig.com/images/eartothegrounduploads/jewish_star_350.jpg

Influential jews in fact financed Hitler.

http://www.mehr-freiheit.de/pix/rockefeller.jpg

These identified you as the homo herrenfolk:
Sieg Hail!

http://aryanwear.com/images/ss_nazi_armband.jpg

The fucking elite mass murderers (many of them psychiatrists):

http://www.diggerhistory.info/images/medals-german/ss-pin.jpg

Not shure but the mother fuckers wearing this think had to do with ETs:

http://farm3.static.flickr.com/2021/1806041521_b1f2b09a40.jpg

The following is an electronic badge that were to be put on every scientologist governmental record in Germany by ex-Fürer Helmuth Kohl in the late 80's.

http://laurietemple.com/images/scientology_symbol_sm.jpg

The electronic "Star of David" for german scientologists was not implemented because a worldwide campaign depossed the democratically elected fucking Fürer Helmuth Kohl.

http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/6/6b/Helmut_Kohl.jpg

ach76
24-12-2010, 01:13 AM
Don't tell me ..... no, don't tell me ..... I'll get it in a minute .....


Oh ! I think I have it !


It must be a major Christian religious festival ? Is that it ?


Christmas ? Easter ?


Now you know jews can't stand anything that takes the focus off them

You know they can't bear it that Christmas is bigger than they

It drives them crazy !

Quick, they say .... let's take the focus off Christmas ! Let's put that focus back on us !

Let's throw another war ! Murder some more Palestinians ! That always puts the focus back on us ! Can't let a week go by without forcing the world to turn it's eyes to us !


So guess that's what this fake of a thread is about, huh ?

What is it --- a prelude to another Israeli slaughter in Gaza ?

Just more evidence of jews' insatiable appetite for attention ? Just another furious attempt to wrest people's minds from Christmas ?

It's narcissism, you know

collective narcissism

Hope someone deals with it very soon

In the meantime ........ blah

cybersurf
24-12-2010, 01:33 AM
Yes.

"Does cybersurf believes the gas wagon hoax?"

"Woodchips in your head?" Is another option.

http://vimeo.com/17829972

http://vimeo.com/17829972

Ok, for the folks to understand. The movie depicts a person debunking an explanation of an statement of an SS officer withnessing killing of people in a gas van. The person explains how this is not posible because diesel engines do not produce carbon monoxide, and so they could not be dead at 30 minutes, as claimed by the SS officer.

It goes on to explain how there were much more efective methods to kill with carbon monoxide, gasoline engines are much more efficients for that. And then talks of I.G. Farben's Ziklon B gass, that (he claims) saves lives instead.

Ok. To start with.

What is docummented here is the Third Reich psychiatrists killing psychiatric inmates with methods that go from pushing them from the stairs to ussing a vehicle exaust to gass them. All this is previous to Nazis ussing those methods. And those psychs were ussing Hitler's race legislation to piouslly end the lives of the "people unworthy of living". None of that is being debunked here.

On the issue of carbon monoxide and diesel engines. The debunker claims that diesel engines not producing carbon monoxide means the gassed people would not die or will take them 5 hours to die.

As far a I know. Carbon Monoxide substitutes oxigen in the blood, so by breathing it, you notice nothing, go to sleap and you die just as if you were asleep and it does so very fast. But carbon bioxide also kills and by suffocation, so there's twitches and agony in there. And the physics indicates that if the lungs are deprived of oxygen by some 5 minutes, you shure get brain damagem, no need of carbon monoxide or carbon bioxide. So, if the gass van was diesel, then it burned the oxigen in the engine and that exaust was pumped into the ban, so the people inside the ban being gassed would be deprived of oxygen. What I don't know is if there remains any ammount of oxygen in the exaust, but in the cas of the oxygen present in the ban, it would be displaced by the exaust.

How much would it take for the people to die in the ban? It's a function (it depends) of the ammount of oxygent remaining inside the ban. Ok, Tinyin, why don't you make a test? go inside a diesel van, put the exaust into it, start the engine and ask somebody ouside the van to tell us how long it takes for you to stop breathing? If you spend 2 hours breathing normally, no problem, it would be good news. Deal!

In resume: Third Reich psychiatrists ussing engine exausts to gass inmates was a very stupid method to kill, SS Doktas had a more efficient one, but the psychiatrists van suited the psychiatrist mentality to kill. Why use expensive I.G. Farben's Ziklon B to kill people "unworthy of live" in the racially legislated Nazi Deutschland?

diamondgeezer
24-12-2010, 01:39 AM
Hitler was part-jewish anyway.

http://wiki.answers.com/Q/Was_Hitler_part_Jewish

^Talk about self-loathing..:rolleyes:

cybersurf
24-12-2010, 01:44 AM
PS: What the source for this zionist piece of lies you posted?

Show us the documents please. The original ones, in German of course. I can translate them for myself.

Have you ever heard of Raul Hilberg, Jan Robert van Pelt and Jean C. Pressac OP?

Quote:
99 percent of the Auschwitz-witness accounts cannot be proven criminologically/scientifically-forensically

The jewish Jan Robert van Pelt

Quote:
This study already demonstrates the complete bankruptcy of the traditional (Holocaust) history ... a history based for the most part on testimonies, assembled according to the need of the moment, truncated to ft an arbitrary truth and sprinkled with a few German documents of uneven value and without any connection with one another.

J.C. Pressac


Oh noes not another Holocaust Poll (http://www.davidicke.com/forum/showthread.php?t=146992)

Is it "its all proven day , but I can't show you" again?

What is being doccumented here, (The referenced books are in the post, this is not the library) are not of Nazis, but of Third Reich psychiatrists.

99 percent of the Auschwitz-witness accounts cannot be proven criminologically/scientifically-forensically

The jewish Jan Robert van Pelt

The references provided here are those of psychiatrists, not Death Camp inmates. And the Third Reich psychiatrists accounts confirm the Death Camp stories. This in spite of scumbag jews inventing deaths at Death Camps.

This study already demonstrates the complete bankruptcy of the traditional (Holocaust) history ... a history based for the most part on testimonies, assembled according to the need of the moment, truncated to ft an arbitrary truth and sprinkled with a few German documents of uneven value and without any connection with one another.

J.C. Pressac

Is this quote referencing any Third Reich psychiatric records?

cybersurf
24-12-2010, 02:02 AM
Don't tell me ..... no, don't tell me ..... I'll get it in a minute .....


Oh ! I think I have it !


It must be a major Christian religious festival ? Is that it ?


Christmas ? Easter ?


Now you know jews can't stand anything that takes the focus off them

You know they can't bear it that Christmas is bigger than they

It drives them crazy !

Quick, they say .... let's take the focus off Christmas ! Let's put that focus back on us !

Let's throw another war ! Murder some more Palestinians ! That always puts the focus back on us ! Can't let a week go by without forcing the world to turn it's eyes to us !


So guess that's what this fake of a thread is about, huh ?

What is it --- a prelude to another Israeli slaughter in Gaza ?

Just more evidence of jews' insatiable appetite for attention ? Just another furious attempt to wrest people's minds from Christmas ?

It's narcissism, you know

collective narcissism

Hope someone deals with it very soon

In the meantime ........ blah

This is a response to Tinyin in another thread:

Tinyin: War criminals? Define please.

Cybersurf: Rounding up populations (jews) to intern them into concentration camps and death camps. Just as George Bush and Obama are now ready to do in the Land of the Free.


Tinyin: There were no death camps as well as no extermination plan.
But the soviets had gulags, indeed death camps.
Stop spewing BS or prove it, if you are that enlightened.
I await you on one of the "holocaust" threads.

http://www.davidicke.com/forum/showthread.php?t=149018&page=3

Any other question?

cybersurf
24-12-2010, 02:05 AM
A source that seem to confirm Death Camps indicates that a named Carol Woitila sold kill gass to Germans. Let me find the link. The named Carol Woitila eventually became Pope.

cybersurf
24-12-2010, 05:40 AM
One of the psychiatric clinics (death camps):

CURTIS WHITEWAY

Curtis Whiteway is an internationally recognized expert on the Holocaust, a U.S. soldier with the liberating forces at Hadamar, Germany, and the "psychiatric clinic" that was used for euthanasia killing of children and adults with disabilities. Hadamar was one of the first Nazi killing centers — with a gas chamber used for "euthanasia" killings. In a 1939 decree, Hitler personally enlarged "the authority of certain physicians to designate and direct that persons [judged] incurable can, upon a most careful diagnosis of their condition of sickness, be accorded a mercy death." The SS used the technical knowledge and experience gained there to construct huge killing centers at Auschwitz, Treblinka and other concentration camps. Mr. Whiteway has spent many years researching the euthanasia murders, human experimentation, military psychiatry, and the resettlement and rehabilitation of Nazi doctors into the American medical community.

http://www.narpa.org/webdoc1.htm


"...and the resettlement and rehabilitation of Nazi doctors into the American medical community."

You have the mass murderers in free America!

In October of 1939 amid the turmoil of the outbreak of war Hitler ordered widespread "mercy killing" of the sick and disabled.

...

The Nazi euthanasia program quickly expanded to include older disabled children and adults. Hitler's decree of October, 1939, typed on his personal stationary, enlarged "the authority of certain physicians to be designated by name in such manner that persons who, according to human judgment, are incurable can, upon a most careful diagnosis of their condition of sickness, be accorded a mercy death."

Questionnaires were then distributed to mental institutions, hospitals and other institutions caring for the chronically ill.

Patients had to be reported if they suffered from schizophrenia, epilepsy, senile disorders, therapy resistant paralysis and syphilitic diseases, retardation, encephalitis, Huntington's chorea and other neurological conditions, also those who had been continuously in institutions for at least 5 years, or were criminally insane, or did not posses German citizenship or were not of German or related blood, including Jews, Negroes, and Gypsies.

http://www.historyplace.com/worldwar2/ww2-pix/hadamar.jpg

A total of six killing centers were established including the well known psychiatric clinic at Hadamar. The euthanasia program was eventually headed by an SS man named Christian Wirth, a notorious brute with the nickname 'the savage Christian.'

http://www.holocaustresearchproject.org/ar/Jewish%20Kommando/images/wirth.gif

...

On August 3, 1941, a Catholic Bishop, Clemens von Galen, delivered a sermon in Münster Cathedral attacking the Nazi euthanasia program calling it "plain murder." The sermon sent a shockwave through the Nazi leadership by publicly condemning the program and urged German Catholics to "withdraw ourselves and our faithful from their (Nazi) influence so that we may not be contaminated by their thinking and their ungodly behavior."

http://joedresch.files.wordpress.com/2010/05/galen01.jpg

As a result, on August 23, Hitler suspended Aktion T4, which had accounted for nearly a hundred thousand deaths by this time.

The Nazis retaliated against the Bishop by beheading three parish priests who had distributed his sermon, but left the Bishop unharmed to avoid making him into a martyr.

However, the Nazi euthanasia program quietly continued, but without the widespread gassings. Drugs and starvation were used instead and doctors were encouraged to decide in favor of death whenever euthanasia was being considered.

http://www.historyplace.com/worldwar2/holocaust/h-euthanasia.htm

On June 25, the three Catholic martyrs of Lubeck — Fathers Johannes Prassek, Eduard Muller and Hermann Lange — will be beatified in the historic city’s Sacred Heart Church, a stone’s throw away from the Lubeck Cathedral, the ministerial home of the Rev. Karl Friedrich Stellbrink, their Lutheran counterpart. Rev. Stellbrink will be honored in a special way that day as well.

The four were executed in Hamburg Nov. 10, 1943. All had been found guilty of disseminating anti-Nazi material — such as the homilies of Cardinal Clemens von Galen of Munster — and other “treasonous” activities.

http://www.ncregister.com/daily-news/beacons-of-courage-and-faith-the-catholic-martyrs-of-lubeck/

http://www.ncregister.com/images/uploads/cache/martyrs-255x255.jpg
MARTYRS. Three Catholic priests and a Lutheran pastor from the northern German city of Lubeck were executed by the Nazis in Hamburg Nov. 10, 1943. The three Catholic martyrs, pictured clockwise from bottom left, Fathers Eduard Mueller, Johannes Prassek and Hermann Lange, are to be beatified in June. The Rev. Karl Friedrich Stellbrink is pictured at bottom, right.

cybersurf
24-12-2010, 05:43 AM
Hey Tinyint, passed the test? the diesel engine test?

cybersurf
24-12-2010, 05:56 AM
Not according to this poll

http://www.davidicke.com/forum/showthread.php?t=146992

There is not a shred of indisputable forensic evidence for the Holocaust

There is a mountain of proven forgeries and fakes

There is a mountain of indisputable forensic evidence disproving the claims

And there is a smaller pile where truth has not yet been firmly established one way or the other

The Third Reich psychiatrists evidence, stated by themselves, not the victims, confirm that they started the Death Camps at their "Clinics" (Death Camps).

The "Merci Killing" in this "psychiatric Clihics" was denounced as Plain Murder by a Bishop. As a result the legislated Mass Murder of Germans and inferior races was stoped in the oppen, but not in the shadows.

On August 3, 1941, a Catholic Bishop, Clemens von Galen, delivered a sermon in Münster Cathedral attacking the Nazi euthanasia program calling it "plain murder." The sermon sent a shockwave through the Nazi leadership by publicly condemning the program and urged German Catholics to "withdraw ourselves and our faithful from their (Nazi) influence so that we may not be contaminated by their thinking and their ungodly behavior."

As a result, on August 23, Hitler suspended Aktion T4, which had accounted for nearly a hundred thousand deaths by this time.

The Nazis retaliated against the Bishop by beheading three parish priests who had distributed his sermon, but left the Bishop unharmed to avoid making him into a martyr.

However, the Nazi euthanasia program quietly continued, but without the widespread gassings. Drugs and starvation were used instead and doctors were encouraged to decide in favor of death whenever euthanasia was being considered.

http://www.historyplace.com/worldwar2/holocaust/h-euthanasia.htm

The psychiatric evidence, provided by the Third Reich psychiatrists and the Bishop evidence in his sermon confirm Acton T-4, Nazi Death Camps.

Do you know if Tinyirl passed the diesel engine test?

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cybersurf
25-12-2010, 06:16 AM
In 1961 the Jew Raul Hilberg, orthodox historian of the Holocaust cult, published the first edition of his major work, The Destruction of the European Jews, and it was in 1985 that he brought out the second edition, a profoundly revised and corrected version.

In the first edition the Hilberg had brazenly affirmed that “the destruction of the Jews of Europe” had been set off following two consecutive orders given by Hitler. Hilberg neither specified the dates nor reproduced the wording of the alleged Hitler orders. Hilberg professed to explain in detail the political, administrative and bureaucratic process of that destruction. He went so far as to write that at Auschwitz the extermination of the Jews was organized by an office that was in charge of both the disinfection of clothing and the extermination of human beings (The Destruction of the European Jews, 1961, republished in 1979 by Quadrangle Books, Chicago, p. 177, 570).

However, in 1983, Hilberg suddenly changed his tune. He proceeded to state that the business of “the destruction of the European Jews” had, after all, gone on without a plan, without any organization, centralization, project or budget, but altogether thanks to “an incredible meeting of minds, a consensus-mind reading by a far-flung bureaucracy” (Newsday, New York, February 23, 1983, p. II/3).

In October 2006, Hilberg told Le Monde: “There was no pre-established guiding plan. As for the question of the decision, it is in part unsolvable: no order signed by Hitler has ever been found, doubtless because no such document ever existed. I am persuaded that the bureaucracies moved through a sort of latent structure: each decision brings on another, then another, and so forth, even if it isn’t possible to foresee exactly the next step” (Le Monde des livres, October 20, 2006, p. 12).

Hilberg disowned his first version and to explain a gigantic undertaking of collective murder as if it had all been carried out through something like the workings of the Tooth Fairy. The alleged mass extermination of the Jews si supposed to have taken place without intent and without a plan. It is alleged to has happened all by itself, spontaneously and through improvisation. Yes, Germans are famous for their spontaneity. German soldiers never need orders.


Who are Raul Hilberg, J.R. van Pelt and J.C. Pressac?
"Deniers"?"Belittlers"?

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tLDwHrsZlTU

We're talking of Hitler's stationary authorizing Death Camps:

http://www.holocaustresearchproject.org/euthan/images/Hitlers%20order%20to%20Bouhler%20authorizing%20the %20T4%20program.jpg
Hitler order authorizing the T4 program

Action T4 (German: Aktion T4) was the name used after WWII[1] for the Euthanasia Program in Nazi Germany officially spanning October 1939 until August 1941 but continued unofficially until the demise of the Nazi regime in 1945 and even beyond,[2] during which physicians killed thousands of people specified in Hitler's secret memo of September 1, 1939, as suffering patients "judged incurably sick, by critical medical examination",.[3]

...

Although Hitler had a fixed policy of not issuing written instructions for policies relating to what would later be classed as crimes against humanity, he made an exception when he provided Bouhler and Brack with written authority for the T4 program in his confidential October 1939 letter. This was apparently to overcome opposition within the German state bureaucracy – the Justice Minister, Franz Gürtner, needed to be shown Hitler's letter in August 1940 to gain his cooperation.[36]

Action T4 - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

cybersurf
25-12-2010, 06:36 AM
All started by Psychs! Psychiatry Kills!

Killing of children

In the summer of 1939, the parents of a severely deformed child (recently identified as Gerhard Kretschmar),[22] born near Leipzig, wrote to Hitler seeking his permission for their child to be put to death.[23] Hitler approved this, and authorized the creation of the Reich Committee for the Scientific Registering of Serious Hereditary and Congenital Illnesses (Reichsausschuss zur wissenschaftlichen Erfassung erb- und anlagebedingter schwerer Leiden), headed by Karl Brandt, his personal physician, and administered by Herbert Linden of the Interior Ministry and an SS officer, Viktor Brack. Brandt and Bouhler were authorized to approve applications to put children in similar circumstances to death.[24]

This precedent was used to establish a program of killing children with severe disabilities from which the 'guardian' consent element soon disappeared. From August, the Interior Ministry required doctors and midwives to report all cases of newborns with severe disabilities. Those to be killed were "all children under three years of age in whom any of the following 'serious hereditary diseases' were 'suspected': idiocy and Down syndrome (especially when associated with blindness and deafness); microcephaly; hydrocephaly; malformations of all kinds, especially of limbs, head, and spinal column; and paralysis, including spastic conditions".[25] The reports were assessed by a panel of medical experts, of whom three were required to give their approval before a child could be killed.[26]

Various methods of deception were used to gain consent – particularly in Catholic areas, where parents were generally uncooperative. Parents were told that their children were being sent to "Special Sections" for children where they would receive improved care.[27] The children sent to these centres were kept for "assessment" for a few weeks and then killed by lethal injection, their deaths recorded as "pneumonia". Autopsies were usually performed, and brain samples were taken to be used for medical research. This apparently helped to ease the consciences of many of those involved, since it gave them the feeling that the children had not died in vain, and that the whole programme had a genuine medical purpose.[28]

Once war broke out in September 1939, the program became less rigorous in its process of assessment and approval. It expanded to include older children and adolescents. The conditions covered also expanded and came to include "various borderline or limited impairments in children of different ages, culminating in the killing of those designated as juvenile delinquents. Jewish children could be placed in the net primarily because they were Jewish; and at one of the institutions, a special department was set up for 'minor Jewish-Aryan half-breeds'".[29] At the same time, increased pressure was placed on parents to agree to their children being sent away. Many parents suspected what was really happening, especially when it became apparent that institutions for children with disabilities were being systematically cleared out, and refused consent. They were threatened that they would lose custody of all their children, and if that did not suffice, the parents themselves could be threatened with call-up for "labour duty".[30] By 1941, over 5,000 children had been killed.[31]

Action T4 - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

(26) ^ These were Professor Werner Catel (a Leipzig psychiatrist), Professor Hans Heinze, head of a state institution for children with intellectual disabilities at Görden near Brandenburg, Ernst Wentzler a Berlin pediatric psychiatrist, the author Dr Helmut Unger. (Lifton, 52)

Dokta Katel:
http://www.chgs.umn.edu/histories/documentary/hadamar/images/catel.jpg

cybersurf
25-12-2010, 06:41 AM
Looks like Tinyil didn't pass the Diesel test!

tenzingnorgay
25-12-2010, 07:15 AM
Not according to this poll

http://www.davidicke.com/forum/showthread.php?t=146992

There is not a shred of indisputable forensic evidence for the Holocaust

There is a mountain of proven forgeries and fakes

There is a mountain of indisputable forensic evidence disproving the claims

And there is a smaller pile where truth has not yet been firmly established one way or the other

Ditto

tenzingnorgay
25-12-2010, 07:16 AM
All started by Psychs! Psychiatry Kills!



http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Action_T4

(26) ^ These were Professor Werner Catel (a Leipzig psychiatrist), Professor Hans Heinze, head of a state institution for children with intellectual disabilities at Görden near Brandenburg, Ernst Wentzler a Berlin pediatric psychiatrist, the author Dr Helmut Unger. (Lifton, 52)

Dokta Katel:
http://www.chgs.umn.edu/histories/documentary/hadamar/images/catel.jpg

Wikipedia?

ROTFLOL

dawnbreak
25-12-2010, 07:29 AM
why does the thread title ask about nazi deathcamps.........but the poll you've put up asks 'who is trying to make you homo' are you mental ?

merry christmas xx

http://t3.gstatic.com/images?q=tbn:ANd9GcRl8We5TZL0Dpgkx1GIgYIavhFGTVFK3 mG8dhyy9b_fwfvmjDQ5

tinyint
25-12-2010, 11:28 AM
Looks like Tinyil didn't pass the Diesel test!

Looks like I can't stand Scientology brainwashing merchants.
Lets dig up some L.Ron Hubbard dirt and background!
Lets see what we find.

The electronic "Star of David" for german scientologists was not implemented because a worldwide campaign depossed the democratically elected fucking Fürer Helmuth Kohl.


I got, that you are a brave soldier who is mad at the hard german laws against Scientology rip off club, so that you need to add some hoax stuff to the mix.
Btw, Kohl was neither Führer nor an elected German representative, but he is a big fat corrupt jewish traitor moron.

lizzyking
25-12-2010, 12:00 PM
I can't stand Scientologists, and I can't stand homophobes, and I can't stand NAZIs. Fuck you all. May you all burn in hell together.

dawnbreak
25-12-2010, 12:06 PM
I can't stand Scientologists, and I can't stand homophobes, and I can't stand NAZIs. Fuck you all. May you all burn in hell together.

Scientolgists are three screwdrivers short of toolkit

energi
25-12-2010, 12:45 PM
Someone please explain - how the fuck does that poll relate to the contents of this thread (nazi death camps, holocaust CT)? :confused::confused:



http://img.chan4chan.com/img/2009-07-10/1247201871631.jpg

dan duchaine
25-12-2010, 01:51 PM
Most of the people in the work camps died because the allies bombed Germany into the ground and typhus spread throughout the population.

The 6 million who died has been revised down many times, even mainstream sources suggest it might be as low as a million now. Some historians think the number who died at Auschwitz was perhaps as low as 100,000 or less.

The allies killed 30,000 polish army officers in Katyn and blamed in on the Nazis. All the papers reported it as a Nazis atrocity, despite the efforts of the Germans to allow allied POWs, the red cross and medical experts to view the site forensically.

YouTube - Broadcast Yourself.

Let us not also forget the 40,000 Germans civilians that died in ONE NIGHT from firebombing of civilian areas by the RAF. Let us also not forget the 100,000 Japanese civilians that died in ONE DAY from USAF bombing of Tokyo.

edit
25-12-2010, 01:59 PM
Since the time of The Great Alexander of Macedon when the technology was based on the spears the technology evolved and it really changed a lot but those words still seem too strong


ps.
only... (http://en.wiktionary.org/wiki/only)
.........they are often at first when heard, associated not so rightly as meant as its the usual way usually for their symbolics picking up to act appon ..and its is done every time.. it needs practice ye see to spare yer time..thats like for the english word for it(pl) spears
or the holy
spear ..the german die heilige Stange
spear ( hebrew) adina (http://wiki.answers.com/Q/What_is_the_Hebrew_word_for_SPEAR)
what in macedonian means - the only one(female word.. likea saying - you are my only one - to a girlfriend)
http://babelfish.yahoo.com/translate_txt
.................................................. ..........its not only a doubt

tinyint
25-12-2010, 04:30 PM
Let us not also forget the 40,000 Germans civilians that died in ONE NIGHT from firebombing of civilian areas by the RAF. Let us also not forget the 100,000 Japanese civilians that died in ONE DAY from USAF bombing of Tokyo.

It was 250000 officially identified and recorded by Dresden Police.
Estimation varies from 250000 up to 600000, because nobody knew at that time, how many refugee had been in Dresden.

dragond
25-12-2010, 04:58 PM
Most of the people in the work camps died because the allies bombed Germany into the ground and typhus spread throughout the population.

The 6 million who died has been revised down many times, even mainstream sources suggest it might be as low as a million now. Some historians think the number who died at Auschwitz was perhaps as low as 100,000 or less.

The allies killed 30,000 polish army officers in Katyn and blamed in on the Nazis. All the papers reported it as a Nazis atrocity, despite the efforts of the Germans to allow allied POWs, the red cross and medical experts to view the site forensically.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QBsJTmL6qSg

Let us not also forget the 40,000 Germans civilians that died in ONE NIGHT from firebombing of civilian areas by the RAF. Let us also not forget the 100,000 Japanese civilians that died in ONE DAY from USAF bombing of Tokyo.

Those have been forgotten long long long time ago.. except the magical 6million number.. even though the number have been revised so many, many times, the cheerleaders wont ever let that go!! The 40-50 million people who died during the war, or the millions who died in the hands of the ALLIED forces never gets mentioned, why is that?


D

dan duchaine
25-12-2010, 05:51 PM
It was 250000 officially identified and recorded by Dresden Police.
Estimation varies from 250000 up to 600000, because nobody knew at that time, how many refugee had been in Dresden.

Sorry, you are right, but i was refering to the bombing of hamburg.

cybersurf
25-12-2010, 08:14 PM
I can't stand Scientologists, and I can't stand homophobes, and I can't stand NAZIs. Fuck you all. May you all burn in hell together.

Sorry I didn't put a poll queston for that. The problem here is that respect for homos is one thing, but NWO use of homos to destroy the civilization is a crime against mankind.

cybersurf
25-12-2010, 08:17 PM
why does the thread title ask about nazi deathcamps.........but the poll you've put up asks 'who is trying to make you homo' are you mental ?

merry christmas xx

http://t3.gstatic.com/images?q=tbn:ANd9GcRl8We5TZL0Dpgkx1GIgYIavhFGTVFK3 mG8dhyy9b_fwfvmjDQ5

You're right. The problem is that I asked for ideas on a poll, and I saq the folowing answer:

the elite want people to be homo...its part of eugenics...no poll needed

I would say proof being same sex marriage and the religious leaders that rule the world are men that fuck boys.

According to this, Lady Gaga's turning us all homos would be the best way to exterminate mankind.

Sorry my poll didn't reflect that.

cybersurf
25-12-2010, 08:19 PM
Looks like I can't stand Scientology brainwashing merchants.
Lets dig up some L.Ron Hubbard dirt and background!
Lets see what we find.



I got, that you are a brave soldier who is mad at the hard german laws against Scientology rip off club, so that you need to add some hoax stuff to the mix.
Btw, Kohl was neither Führer nor an elected German representative, but he is a big fat corrupt jewish traitor moron.

Why don't you start expaining how did you survived 1 hour in the diesel engine killer van? Did you understand that the diesel exaust will deplete the space of breathable oxigen even if the Diesel does not create important ammounts of carbon monoxide?

dan duchaine
25-12-2010, 09:28 PM
I wonder what the psychology is of people who for some reason have a massive dislike of the Nazis, but alway fail to mention the communist atrocities in the Sovit Union Gulag system, in Mao's China in the People's Revolution or under the Khmer Rouge established the democratic kampuchea in Cambodia.

Some kind of selective memory syndrome?

Or maybe plain deceit?

Or a hidden agena?

cybersurf
27-12-2010, 05:31 AM
I wonder what the psychology is of people who for some reason have a massive dislike of the Nazis, but alway fail to mention the communist atrocities in the Sovit Union Gulag system, in Mao's China in the People's Revolution or under the Khmer Rouge established the democratic kampuchea in Cambodia.

Some kind of selective memory syndrome?

Or maybe plain deceit?

Or a hidden agena?

It was Tinyil's questioning of Nazi Holocaust and my anwer to that the reason for this thread. Tinyil's questioning was not Mao's murders or Russian Gulags.

But shure, Comrade Mao's mass murders are not suprassed by anybody but Israel's God Yahveh.

http://www.texasgunguy.org/mao-tse-tung.jpg
Commrade Mao

http://thebashams.org/images/far002.jpg
Commrade Yahveh

cybersurf
27-12-2010, 05:37 AM
I found the reference of cyanide gass sold to the Nazis. A line for lots of interesting research:

In his lengthy file, "SECRET SOCIETIES AND THE NEW WORLD ORDER", later published as a chapter in his book "BEHOLD A PALE HORSE", former Navy Intelligence worker William Cooper states:

"...In the early 1940s, the I.G. Farben Chemical Company employed a Polish salesman who sold cyanide to the Nazis for use in Auschwitz. The same salesman also worked as a chemist in the manufacture of the poison gas. This same cyanide gas along with Zyklon B and malathion was used to exterminate millions of Jews and other groups. "Their bodies were then burned to ashes in the ovens. After the war the salesman, fearing for his life, joined the Catholic Church and was ordained a priest in 1946. One of his closest friends was Dr. Wolf Szmuness, the mastermind behind the November/78 to October/79 and March/80 to October/81 experi- mental hepatitis B vaccine trials conducted by the Center for Dis- ease Control in New York, San Francisco and four other American cities that loosed the plague of AIDS upon the American people. The salesman was ordained Poland's youngest bishop in 1958. After a 30-day reign his predecessor was assassinated and our ex-cyanide gas salesman assumed the papacy as Pope John Paul II. "1990 is the right time with the right leaders: ex-chief of the Soviet secret police Mikhail Gorbachev, ex-chief of the CIA George Bush, ex-Nazi cyanide gas salesman Pope John Paul II, all bound by an unholy alliance to bring in the New World Order..."

http://web.archive.org/web/20041220204554/www.anomalous-images.com/text/naznwo07.html

http://www.jesus-is-savior.com/Evils%20in%20America/Abortion%20is%20Murder/nazi_victim-oven_hand.gif

cybersurf
27-12-2010, 09:08 PM
Tinyirl has not answered if he made the Diesel engine test. Hey Tinyirl, we could even use a Mercedes diesel engine. They produce mainly H2O, water and carbon bioxide. According to the video, you would'nt even get a head acke after an hour.

So, you close the windows of the Mercedes, I put a hose from the Mercedes Diesel exaust into the cabin where you are and you stay inside for an houer. You start the motor and after it warms up, you push the trhotle. Fair enough?

cybersurf
27-12-2010, 09:34 PM
Protestan anti-semite pastor Martin Niemöller corrected his beliefs and opposed Hitler's Third Reich genocyde. He was sent to nazi camps.

This site presents the diference between holocaust and war crimes.

preserving the past to protect the future...

PROLOGUE
"We Have All Become Orphans" -- Elie Weisel.

"In Germany the Nazis came for the Communists and I didn't speak up because I was not a Communist. Then they came for the Jews, and I didn't speak up because I was not a Jew.
"Then they came for the trade unionists and I didn't speack up because I wasn't a trate unionist. Then they came for the Catholics, and I was Protestant and so I didn't speak up. Then they came for me... and by that time there was no one left to speak anymore".
Pastor Martin Niemoller
Protestan Clergyman.


This statement attributed to Pastor Martin Niemöller, has become a legendary expression of the Holocaust. Ironically, Niemöller had delivered antisemitic sermons early in the Nazi regime. He later opposed Hitler and was sent to Sachsenhausen and Dachau concentration camps. Near the end of the war, he narrowly escaped execution.

http://isurvived.org/Pictures_iSurvived-4/Niemoeller_Martin.GIF
Martin Niemöller
Bavaria-Verlag

After the war, Niemöller emerged from prison to preach the words that began this post, that all of us know... He was instrumental in producing the "Stuttgart Confession of Guilt", in which the German Protestant churches formally accepted guilt for their complicity in allowing the suffering which Hitler's reign caused to occur. In 1961, he was elected as one of the six presidents of the World Council of Churches, the ecumenical body of the Protestant faiths.

Niemöller emerged also as an adamant pacifist and advocate of reconciliation. He actively sought out contacts in Eastern Europe, and traveled to Moscow in 1952 and North Vietnam in 1967. He received the Lenin Peace Prize in 1967, and the West German Grand Cross of Merit in 1971. Martin Niemöller died in Wiesbaden, West Germany on March 6, 1984, at the age of 92. [EB]

INTRODUCTION
The Holocaust: The Ultimate Expression of Inhumanity

The road to Auschwitz was built by hate,
but paved with indifference.
Sir Ian Kershaw
http://isurvived.org/Pictures_iSurvived-5/hitler-cardinal_MINI.GIF
http://www.ushmm.org/lcmedia/photo/wlc/image/08/08024.jpg

World War II (WWII), initiated by Hitler's Nazi Germany in 1939, killed some 67 million people (according to Franklin & Eleanor Roosevelt Institute) out of which some 20 million were Soviet citizens.

Nazi's Holocaust emerged from a Persecutory Campaign initiated by Hitler's Nazi Germany against the ethnically undesirable people with the primary focus on the Jews. That persecutory campaign, during the war years, evolved and transformed into a distinctive genocidal component of WWII whose objective was the total annihilation of Hitler's perceived "undesirables" that were targeted for what they were rather than for what they did or believed in. The so-called "world Jewry," in Nazis' parlance, became Nazis' primary fixation towards total eradication.

http://isurvived.org/home.html

tinyint
27-12-2010, 10:54 PM
http://i602.photobucket.com/albums/tt108/voskhod3/nose.jpg
Holocaust a hoax? (http://www.davidicke.com/forum/showthread.php?t=102754)

Oh noes not another Holocaust Poll (http://www.davidicke.com/forum/showthread.php?t=146992)

http://www.youtube.com/v/tLDwHrsZlTU

Course: Zionist Editing on Wikipedia - YouTube

dantesrevival
27-12-2010, 11:09 PM
I wonder what the psychology is of people who for some reason have a massive dislike of the Nazis, but alway fail to mention the communist atrocities in the Sovit Union Gulag system, in Mao's China in the People's Revolution or under the Khmer Rouge established the democratic kampuchea in Cambodia.

Some kind of selective memory syndrome?

Or maybe plain deceit?

Or a hidden agena?

well partly it may be that you don't get to many people glorifying or minimising those atrocities which yes where just as bad.

dan duchaine
27-12-2010, 11:17 PM
I dont see many thread discussing the Soviet Gulags or Maos economic policy. Just Nazi gas chamber this, nazis gas chamber that.


Brainwashing is what it is. I wonder what the brainwashing is DUE to?

dantesrevival
27-12-2010, 11:23 PM
I dont see many thread discussing the Soviet Gulags or Maos economic policy. Just Nazi gas chamber this, nazis gas chamber that.


Brainwashing is what it is. I wonder what the brainwashing is DUE to?

I meant in general not just here, but there are none here trying to say that the Gulags never existed or that Maos regime didn't kill millions of people.

There are more than a few active posters that will say that the Nazi's did very little wrong, the death-camps never existed and that they never tried to exterminate Jews and undesirables.

Now that is brainwashing.

cybersurf
28-12-2010, 05:00 AM
I dont see many thread discussing the Soviet Gulags or Maos economic policy. Just Nazi gas chamber this, nazis gas chamber that.


Brainwashing is what it is. I wonder what the brainwashing is DUE to?

It was Tinyirl's claim that Nazi gas chambers didn't exist. I'm just answering and showing that german psychiatrists turned psychiatric institutions into death camps even before Nazis came to power.

cybersurf
28-12-2010, 05:01 AM
I meant in general not just here, but there are none here trying to say that the Gulags never existed or that Maos regime didn't kill millions of people.

There are more than a few active posters that will say that the Nazi's did very little wrong, the death-camps never existed and that they never tried to exterminate Jews and undesirables.

Now that is brainwashing.

Thats appying logic. Thanks.

cybersurf
28-12-2010, 05:05 AM
Tinyirl, you asked for a german document you could translate. Here's one. It is in the Fuhrer's stationary, so I don't think I can provide the original, but shure Merkel will allow you to confirm this: Can you start translating? It gives psychiatrists authorization to kill mental patients.

http://www.centuryofgenocide.com/exhibition/page4/page33/files/page33_2.jpg This document is of extreme importance, firstly because it shows the authorisation of this programme by Hitler; written using his personal writing paper. More importantly, its existence poses the question whether a similar document authorising the ‘Final Solution’ was issued, since it was never discovered.
Even though the euthanasia programme was ‘official’, several measures were taken in order to cover up its operation. The Reich Association of Asylums was formed and operated from a villa on Tiergartenstrasse 4 (from April 1940) which was the reason for the codename ‘Aktion T-4’. The Community Foundation for the Encouragement of Asylums was concerned with operational matters and the Community Patients Transport Service Ltd (Gekrat) provided the transport (Burleigh & Wippermann, 1991, p.148).
Members of the SS modified the chosen killing centres; Grafeneck, Hadamar, Bernburg, Brandenburg, Hartheim and Sonnenstein -which were the answers to the ‘where’ question- with gas chambers and the personnel moved in (Burleigh & Wippermann, 1991, p.148). Exhibit 2 consists of pictures of the six killing centers. In the picture of Hadamar (taken at the time), smoke from the crematoria can be clearly seen.

http://www.google.com.mx/imgres?imgurl=http://www.centuryofgenocide.com/exhibition/page4/page33/files/page33_2.jpg&imgrefurl=http://www.centuryofgenocide.com/exhibition/page4/page33/page33.html&usg=__-Wk5J95w3rBk70ar54yGT56Icms=&h=587&w=417&sz=63&hl=es&start=10&zoom=1&tbnid=iBwQFoRMQGNdJM:&tbnh=135&tbnw=96&prev=/images%3Fq%3Dnazi%2Bdocument%2Bauthorizing%2Bactio n%2Bt%2B4%26hl%3Des%26gbv%3D2%26tbs%3Disch:1&itbs=1

cybersurf
28-12-2010, 05:16 AM
Tinyirl, you don't need to translate this letter of the psychiatrists notifying the death of unfit children:

Note: For those familiar with german psychiatry, this letter reflects the true evil character of german psychs.

The programme became an open secret even though the personnel tried to conceal these actions such as by falsifying death certificates and sending the ‘notification’ letters (Burleigh & Wippermann, 1991, p.150). The local communities near the killing centers soon became aware of what was happening (Burleigh, 2000, p.394). Also, some of the personnel’s macabre mistakes such as sending two urns instead of one, some relatives being notified of the death of their relative whom they had removed from asylums, hairpins found in the ashes of males and so on increased awareness amongst relatives, and society in general about the programme’s existence (Burleigh & Wippermann, 1991, p.150). In addition, a sermon by the Bishop of Münster on 3 August 1941 was condemning these actions and had serious political and social aftermath (Burleigh, 2000, p.402).

It is not certain what brought about the cancellation of the programme on 24 August 1941 but it was probably due to a combination of factors. More importantly, the target number of victims had been reached (Klee, 1987, pp. 33ff). By 1 September 1941, 93,251 patients had been killed, out of which 70,273 had been gassed (Burleigh & Wippermann, 1991, p.153).
As in the case of Jews, propaganda was a priority for the regime. The regime used propaganda to try to influence people’s opinions about ‘euthanasia’ in many ways. Children were not an exception to this, and Exhibit 6 shows the extent of propaganda, even at schools. It was important that it reached everyone and made them (or at least tried) feel burdened and harmed by asylum patients. Other methods intended to influence public opinion were documentaries and films that stigmatized asylum patients and acted in favour of euthanasia (Burleigh & Wippermann, 1991, p.154). These films were seen by millions of people.
Below is an excerpt from a letter sent to the family of a victim, where the attempt to deceive them becomes clear.



‘Today the asylum accounting office received your credit transfer of RM20 intended for flowers for the grave of your little daughter Irmgard…Concerning your little daughter, we can report that Irmgard was still overjoyed with the little coat, and above all with the lovely little dolly, which she had in her arms to the very end’.

http://news.bbc.co.uk/media/images/38342000/jpg/_38342295_redcoat_300.jpg

http://www.google.com.mx/imgres?imgurl=http://www.centuryofgenocide.com/exhibition/page4/page33/files/page33_2.jpg&imgrefurl=http://www.centuryofgenocide.com/exhibition/page4/page33/page33.html&usg=__-Wk5J95w3rBk70ar54yGT56Icms=&h=587&w=417&sz=63&hl=es&start=10&zoom=1&tbnid=iBwQFoRMQGNdJM:&tbnh=135&tbnw=96&prev=/images%3Fq%3Dnazi%2Bdocument%2Bauthorizing%2Bactio n%2Bt%2B4%26hl%3Des%26gbv%3D2%26tbs%3Disch:1&itbs=1

Fucking pack of grotesque mass murderers. After reading this, one can see that the fucking Nazis and the fucking Fuhrer were the victims of the German psychiatrists. Nazis are the victims of psychiatry!

http://www.mensongepsy.com/fr/wp-content/uploads/2006/09/Rudin.jpg

Doka Rudin, father of Hitle's racial legislation.

I'm going to leave this thread for now. This is fact and any fucking ashole trying to deny or minimize the evidence without an original doccument showing the contrary (not even an Abwer will attempt it) can go to hell.

cybersurf
28-12-2010, 05:27 AM
For Tinyirl to translate, please.

http://www.ushmm.org/propaganda/assets/images/500x/poster-neues-volk.jpg

torus
04-01-2011, 02:39 AM
yet, in 1945, The New York Times was speaking of the "hidden factories" that kept the the Reich going. They speak of "the seemingly endless stream of former slaves from all parts of Europe." Apparently and coincidentally, "more than 6 million were liberated."

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cybersurf
07-01-2011, 06:06 AM
yet, in 1945, The New York Times was speaking of the "hidden factories" that kept the the Reich going. They speak of "the seemingly endless stream of former slaves from all parts of Europe." Apparently and coincidentally, "more than 6 million were liberated."

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Thanks for the reference.

Of all the holocausts.

The german psychiatrists holocaust, Aktion T-4

The holocaust of the gipcies,

The holocaust of the homosexuals and others, perhaps the holocaust of the Jews has varying figures.

But Aktion T-4, the foreruner of them all, is a documented fact.