Is Harry Potter satanic?

[blah]

Hi, I am new here. Just thought I would throw the question out. Now sure if I have posted in the right forum. So please correct me if I am wrong.
My question to you all is, with such films as harry potter and programs like bewitched. Is this effecting childrens view on occultism? Making them perhaps more conditioned to accept it?..
I dont have children or know any teenagers so I wouldnt be able to comment first hand on how it influences them. If you think that such kids/teenagers programs and films are satanic, do you therefore believe that its swaying children into the wrong direction, is it abusive?.
Cheers
Kay

[octopusrex]

Hamburger is abusive.

[drael]

No, nor is the occult or magick in general satanic.

Satanic means the worship of satan found in the christian bible.

Magic, and fantasy based on it, is based on religion older than christianity. Magick predates the idea of "satan". The "occult" is as morally founded as christianity, involves many rules and ethics. Black magick, which most people assume is the same as occult and satanist, is the perversion of those moral laws.

Please research the occult before leaping to conclusions thats its all about dark magick etc. Most magick/occult is similar to church and prayer, its about love, healing and worship of god. In fact most christian rituals are in fact based on ancient egyptian magick rituals. (The facing or churches and altars, the use of incense as cleansing etc etc)

Satanism and black magick is as forbidden to occultists as it is to christians. We too have our "devils". In egypt for example the evil god is called set. Given that, its hard to see how beleive in occultism/magick would lead to black arts. Its similar to saying christianity leads to satanism (which is probably more valid, after all satan is a christian concept).

And harry potter/lord of the rings does generally show the rules or ethics of magick also: spells with bad intent always backfire or in the end consume the user.

[seer74]

No, nor is the occult or magick in general satanic.

Satanic means the worship of satan found in the christian bible.

Magic, and fantasy based on it, is based on religion older than christianity. Magick predates the idea of "satan". The "occult" is as morally founded as christianity, involves many rules and ethics. Black magick, which most people assume is the same as occult and satanist, is the perversion of those moral laws.

Please research the occult before leaping to conclusions thats its all about dark magick etc. Most magick/occult is similar to church and prayer, its about love, healing and worship of god. In fact most christian rituals are in fact based on ancient egyptian magick rituals. (The facing or churches and altars, the use of incense as cleansing etc etc)

Satanism and black magick is as forbidden to occultists as it is to christians. We too have our "devils". In egypt for example the evil god is called set. Given that, its hard to see how beleive in occultism/magick would lead to black arts. Its similar to saying christianity leads to satanism (which is probably more valid, after all satan is a christian concept).

And harry potter/lord of the rings does generally show the rules or ethics of magick also: spells with bad intent always backfire or in the end consume the user.

"satan" is derivative of "set"

Satanic means comeing from the "Lord of this World" the Serpent. Which pretty much means everything in this world when you get down to it. This world is a matrix of illusions generated by that "serpent" the anunaki gods.

But I would certainly agree that Harry Potter is no more so than the ground you are standing on anyway.

[blah]

I am of the opinion that the occult is satanic. I am not leaping into a subject. I have a seperate view from you and you from me. Thats how discussion can happen. If you disagree state your reason and why, thats all.

[seer74]

I am of the opinion that the occult is satanic. I am not leaping into a subject. I have a seperate view from you and you from me. Thats how discussion can happen. If you disagree state your reason and why, thats all.

iactually agree with you that the occult is satanic, at least while it remains occult (Occult means HIDDEN)

[seer74]

and yes, I think that even "white magick" CAN BE (isn't neccessarily) a stepping-stone to "Black Magick". I used to practice Magick years ago, the time came in my life when certain events found me quite tempted to use "Black Magick". All it takes is to find yourself in a position that makes you feel you have a reason "cross-over" and you just MIGHT do it. Finding myself so very seriously tempted I deemed it prudent to give up the practice of magick altogether.

[drael]

>I am of the opinion that the occult is satanic. I am not leaping into a >subject. I have a seperate view from you and you from me. Thats how >discussion can happen. If you disagree state your reason and why, thats all.

I disagree because i study/pratice the occult (taken by most practicioners to be the study of the unseen - do not hide my practices in any way) and do not worship satan, or any evil deity. I worship the only the unnamable is, the mystery, which i beleive is basically the same as your god, yahweh (translates to i am that i am). I also like the bible, quite alot (not all of it, but there is definate gold in there).

I think jesus was the son of god, and i deeply admire his purity and strength of character. I do not "cast spells" for personal gain, only for the good of others. In the bible (cant remember where), it says this is how you can distiguish miracles from the work of satan - if it is for the greater good, it is a miracle, not the work of the devil.

To me, there is very little difference from what goes on in church and what i do. The rituals are both based on egyptian magick rituals, they use the same tools, same format etc. You call it prayer, and mass. I call it magick. They are both forms of worship and self-sacrifice. The striking similarities are clear to anyone who knows both magick ritual and has been to church (which is why i say they are both based on egyptian rituals, this i beleive is clear to anyone who has studied both). The main difference is that anyone can be involved. You dont have to be a preist to lead or participate at any level in a mass of worship in magick. In this sense it is more direct to god, more like prayer.

And after all jesus was not a preist, yet he lead worship all the time, as did his disciples. He practiced rituals not practiced by the church (baptism, communion), taught love instead of countless laws and statutes. I guess they would have thought he was a satanist/heretic. In fact they did, thats one of the reasons he was crucified. One would think this fact would stick in peoples minds, but it doesnt for some reason.

Jesus and the church didnt get along to well back in his day. Im personally beleive hed approve more of what i do, than having middle men and popes etc telling people what god thinks etc and what rules other than love to follow (isnt the holy spirit in all of us? what makes the word of man the word of god?). If fact, i personally think the modern church and all its open prejudice against homosexuality, magick etc, would make jesus mad - forgiveness and love was his main message. Just how can any of that fear and anger be in the spirit of jesus?

Anyway, even if you do decide that magick and the occult is "satanic", remember jesus' main message "love thy neighbour as thyself". That should clear up any fear etc you have.

Remember also the church killed more people than jewish people killed in WW2, in the witch trials.......Hatred and fear is a powerful tool for evil, not good.

Ive talked to several people who call themselves satanists (not that i encourage such practice!).. They where all former christians. I personally beleive this is quite common...

as for you seer :D...

>satan" is derivative of "set"
>Satanic means comeing from the "Lord of this World" the Serpent. Which >pretty much means everything in this world when you get down to it. This >world is a matrix of illusions generated by that "serpent" the anunaki gods.

This is your veiw, and that is fine. However these are not the generally accepted meanings of these terms, which is what i was talking about. I agree that the dark force wishes us to remain bound in illusion. However christianity is probably not the ideal mythology to express this in, as modern christianity thinks quite differently from you (and its quite difficult to read this from the modern bibles). Don juan talks of these creatures (shamanism). In gnosticism, they call this force the demi-urge (the pretender god who wishes to fool us about reality) and the true reality sophia. I think youd enjoy the mythology of gnosticism. Either way, may we find terms we agree apon :D

Perhaps you could say..... (i beleive) satan and set refer to the same entity/entities (after all they are both just names, the entity is whats important). And you could say that the origin of satan in the bible/set is the annuniki/serpent who would bound us in 3d illusion. :) This would make things clearer, and you still hold your position...

Peace and blessings to you both,
drael.

[sunyatta60]

Hi, I am new here. Just thought I would throw the question out. Now sure if I have posted in the right forum. So please correct me if I am wrong.
My question to you all is, with such films as harry potter and programs like bewitched. Is this effecting childrens view on occultism? Making them perhaps more conditioned to accept it?..
I dont have children or know any teenagers so I wouldnt be able to comment first hand on how it influences them. If you think that such kids/teenagers programs and films are satanic, do you therefore believe that its swaying children into the wrong direction, is it abusive?.
Cheers
Kay

No Christ taught the Occult then the Corrupt Priesthood banned people from studying it so they could subjugate people more easily. In effect the Priest were doing what they had forbid everyone else to do.

I Loved Philip Pullmans Dark Triology :)

[octopusrex]

Okay..

A novel idea: instead of throwing random accusations of this or that being "satanic" why don't you who so judge Harry Potter, Disney and all the other media try to STUDY what Satan means?

The truth really sets you free..

From ridiculous prejudgments.

[sunyatta60]

A novel idea: instead of throwing random accusations of this or that being "satanic" why don't you who so judge Harry Potter, Disney and all the other media try to STUDY what Satan means?

Let us not confuse things Disney was a member of the Illuminatie maybe JK Rowling is too. The point I am making is that Christ spoke of the Occult and then the church made it into a taboo and with good reason from their perspective.
Knowledge is Power Francis Bacon a FreeMason

[seer74]

A novel idea: instead of throwing random accusations of this or that being "satanic" why don't you who so judge Harry Potter, Disney and all the other media try to STUDY what Satan means?

Let us not confuse things Disney was a member of the Illuminatie maybe JK Rowling is too. The point I am making is that Christ spoke of the Occult and then the church made it into a taboo and with good reason from their perspective.
Knowledge is Power Francis Bacon a FreeMason

good idea. good advice for both sides IN FACT

[seer74]

>I am of the opinion that the occult is satanic. I am not leaping into a >subject. I have a seperate view from you and you from me. Thats how >discussion can happen. If you disagree state your reason and why, thats all.

I disagree because i study/pratice the occult (taken by most practicioners to be the study of the unseen - do not hide my practices in any way) and do not worship satan, or any evil deity. I worship the only the unnamable is, the mystery, which i beleive is basically the same as your god, yahweh (translates to i am that i am). I also like the bible, quite alot (not all of it, but there is definate gold in there).

I think jesus was the son of god, and i deeply admire his purity and strength of character. I do not "cast spells" for personal gain, only for the good of others. In the bible (cant remember where), it says this is how you can distiguish miracles from the work of satan - if it is for the greater good, it is a miracle, not the work of the devil.

To me, there is very little difference from what goes on in church and what i do. The rituals are both based on egyptian magick rituals, they use the same tools, same format etc. You call it prayer, and mass. I call it magick. They are both forms of worship and self-sacrifice. The striking similarities are clear to anyone who knows both magick ritual and has been to church (which is why i say they are both based on egyptian rituals, this i beleive is clear to anyone who has studied both). The main difference is that anyone can be involved. You dont have to be a preist to lead or participate at any level in a mass of worship in magick. In this sense it is more direct to god, more like prayer.

And after all jesus was not a preist, yet he lead worship all the time, as did his disciples. He practiced rituals not practiced by the church (baptism, communion), taught love instead of countless laws and statutes. I guess they would have thought he was a satanist/heretic. In fact they did, thats one of the reasons he was crucified. One would think this fact would stick in peoples minds, but it doesnt for some reason.

Jesus and the church didnt get along to well back in his day. Im personally beleive hed approve more of what i do, than having middle men and popes etc telling people what god thinks etc and what rules other than love to follow (isnt the holy spirit in all of us? what makes the word of man the word of god?). If fact, i personally think the modern church and all its open prejudice against homosexuality, magick etc, would make jesus mad - forgiveness and love was his main message. Just how can any of that fear and anger be in the spirit of jesus?

Anyway, even if you do decide that magick and the occult is "satanic", remember jesus' main message "love thy neighbour as thyself". That should clear up any fear etc you have.

Remember also the church killed more people than jewish people killed in WW2, in the witch trials.......Hatred and fear is a powerful tool for evil, not good.

Ive talked to several people who call themselves satanists (not that i encourage such practice!).. They where all former christians. I personally beleive this is quite common...

as for you seer :D...

>satan" is derivative of "set"
>Satanic means comeing from the "Lord of this World" the Serpent. Which >pretty much means everything in this world when you get down to it. This >world is a matrix of illusions generated by that "serpent" the anunaki gods.

This is your veiw, and that is fine. However these are not the generally accepted meanings of these terms, which is what i was talking about. I agree that the dark force wishes us to remain bound in illusion. However christianity is probably not the ideal mythology to express this in, as modern christianity thinks quite differently from you (and its quite difficult to read this from the modern bibles). Don juan talks of these creatures (shamanism). In gnosticism, they call this force the demi-urge (the pretender god who wishes to fool us about reality) and the true reality sophia. I think youd enjoy the mythology of gnosticism. Either way, may we find terms we agree apon :D

Perhaps you could say..... (i beleive) satan and set refer to the same entity/entities (after all they are both just names, the entity is whats important). And you could say that the origin of satan in the bible/set is the annuniki/serpent who would bound us in 3d illusion. :) This would make things clearer, and you still hold your position...
Peace and blessings to you both,
drael.

we speak different languages, but are on the same side.:)
and I explain my somantics quite frequently I think. You know, Drael, I'm glad you and I are both on this forum, together we bring greater clarity to what each other are trying to say.

[octopusrex]

See here..

When you realize "Satan" is nothing more than Satcitananda and...

He kinda works for God as...

Judge of Mankind.

[sunyatta60]

There is no Satan in Judaism the early church created it to terrify the simple minded down trodden class and subjugate them for the Roman Empire. Anything that oppose the One Mind is the Ego that is all it is :eek:

[seer74]

There is no Satan in Judaism the early church created it to terrify the simple minded down trodden class and subjugate them for the Roman Empire. Anything that oppose the One Mind is the Ego that is all it is :eek:

and in a sense "satan" could be seen as representing the super-ego

[sunyatta60]

and in a sense "satan" could be seen as representing the super-ego

In Freud's system the Superego was that part of the mind that acted like the policeman where as the Id which we today call Ego was governed by the pleasure principle and was and is totally selfish.

[delamo1999]

A novel idea: instead of throwing random accusations of this or that being "satanic" why don't you who so judge Harry Potter, Disney and all the other media try to STUDY what Satan means?

Let us not confuse things Disney was a member of the Illuminatie maybe JK Rowling is too. The point I am making is that Christ spoke of the Occult and then the church made it into a taboo and with good reason from their perspective.
Knowledge is Power Francis Bacon a FreeMason

I was wondering the same thing. I mean how did she get to know so much of the illuminati symbolism (snakes for slytheryn, whose common room is under the black lake in the dungeons of Hogwarts). How about Voldemort being trapped in another dimension without a body and has to work through others until he is given one of his own. And what about the eugenics (the elimination of muggles from the magic world). Also do the names Draco and Lucius mean anything?

I by no means am trying to put down Harry Potter, as I am a huge fan of him myself. But to me there are no coincidences. J.K. Rawling was a struggling unemployed single mom when she started to pen the first Harry Potter book. I wonder if she had help with all of this.

:)

[drael]

The point I am making is that Christ spoke of the Occult and then the church made it into a taboo and with good reason from their perspective

Please illuminate me. I am aware of no direct statements from jesus that refer to the occult, and would be facinated to find if there is such statements. As for what the church does or doesnt do... well who cares, they are powermongers....

[beldazar]

I find this topic VERY interesting! As a huge fan of Harry Potter myself, I have wondered that maybe J.K. Rowling follows some of the films made to help our minds to open, such as The Matrix and They Live amongst many others, I did also see somewhere that Harry Potter is mentioned in the Bible codes, along with Bush and Bono! Wow! This life is AMAZING!
Love to All xxxx

[smoking oceanus]

Ive read all the books. The way i see it, the books are about rebellion, fighting against evil, oppression and conspiracy.

You should question authority and not assume that the establishment or the press tells you the truth - Jk Rowling

[times7]

Harry potter promotes witchcraft to fight evil,rise of the occult
(forbidden secrets)

Its the whole point and it WORKS

As for the Harry Potter books,i find them a bore


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[sunyatta60]

[QUOTE=delamo1999;231438]I was wondering the same thing. I mean how did she get to know so much of the illuminati symbolism (snakes for slytheryn, whose common room is under the black lake in the dungeons of Hogwarts).

In his book Gods of Eden William Bramley devotes a whole chapter to the Brotherhood of the snakes. The whole book basically argues that we were created to be nothing more than Robotic Slaves. I find it interesting that Bramley wrote this book in 1989 which was about the same time Icke was waking up.
Now JK Rowling claims that the Harry Potter Story just appeared into her head out of the blue while she was sitting in a cafe wondering how she was going to pay the rent. If Icke is right and we are nothing more than computer robots then that makes sense. Something can be downloaded into the mind via the brain which is capable of transmission.

[drakul]

Look at how the (Illuminati) who control the publishing world promoted JK Rowlings/Harry Potter. $$$$$$ MILLIONS in publicity. Whether Rowling dreamed the story up all by herself or not, she serves the Lumie agenda - to promote the OCCULT/WITCHCRAFT thereby luring the young away from Christianity. :(

[sunyatta60]

The illuminatie are behind Christianity you idiot it is the richest institution in the world and makes Rowling and everyone else look like a pauper. Drakul you really are a mind controlled robot how you have been allowed to post your Christian propaganda on this site for so long is a mystery.


Christianity is the morality of paltry people as the measure of all things.
Nietzsche

[drakul]

The illuminatie are behind Christianity you idiot it is the richest institution in the world and makes Rowling and everyone else look like a pauper. Drakul you really are a mind controlled robot how you have been allowed to post your Christian propaganda on this site for so long is a mystery.


Christianity is the morality of paltry people as the measure of all things.
Nietzsche



No - Christianity is not the richest institution in the world - that nest of vipers called the VATICAN is the richest institution in the world. Those are your beloved pagan priests who didn't even change their old Dagon fish hats.

[thetonic]

Yes well , religion has been totally copped and used as a tool to water down the masses .. Take a look at the catholic churches in your town.. Look at the vatican, it is adorned in enough silver and gold to make Solomon blush...

I am not a christian or a bible banger and i dont promote christianity in the slightest other than i think the bible may be a good read for reading/knowledge sake... But the truth of the matter is that a subversive movement / force , whatever you want to call it, is definately undermining the massess of america at least, i cant attest for the rest of the world... If you dont see it , then you are dumbfuck blind and already indoctrinated into a way of thinking , and you are pretty well screwed

In essence i would recommend unplugging your t.v. , stop giving hollywood your money to brainwash you, stop going to all churches and just read your holy books and worship on your own, you dont need to congregate in mass, jesus never endorsed that idea i know that...

Just live life and be fruitful and stop accepting the twisted reality that is and make a new one

[thetonic]

oh yeah here is a vid from the forums own __neo2__

enjoy!:)

Harry Potter and the Order of the Illuminati - YouTube

[marpat]

Look at how the (Illuminati) who control the publishing world promoted JK Rowlings/Harry Potter. $$$$$$ MILLIONS in publicity. Whether Rowling dreamed the story up all by herself or not, she serves the Lumie agenda - to promote the OCCULT/WITCHCRAFT thereby luring the young away from Christianity. :(


Christianity is a dead religion now anyway. It's time for new earth and a new heaven, with a new message, one that people can experience directly not one that for most people is just a bigotted dogma.

[marpat]

"satan" is derivative of "set"

Satanic means comeing from the "Lord of this World" the Serpent. Which pretty much means everything in this world when you get down to it. This world is a matrix of illusions generated by that "serpent" the anunaki gods.

But I would certainly agree that Harry Potter is no more so than the ground you are standing on anyway.

Satan mean adversary. The serpent is something different. I have never, eve heard of satan as being a serpent but if you read the book of Job you will find he hangs out with the sons of God and is actually given Gods consent to torment Job.

[armoured_amazon]

Yes well , religion has been totally copped and used as a tool to water down the masses .. Take a look at the catholic churches in your town.. Look at the vatican, it is adorned in enough silver and gold to make Solomon blush...

I am not a christian or a bible banger and i dont promote christianity in the slightest other than i think the bible may be a good read for reading/knowledge sake... But the truth of the matter is that a subversive movement / force , whatever you want to call it, is definately undermining the massess of america at least, i cant attest for the rest of the world... If you dont see it , then you are dumbfuck blind and already indoctrinated into a way of thinking , and you are pretty well screwed

In essence i would recommend unplugging your t.v. , stop giving hollywood your money to brainwash you, stop going to all churches and just read your holy books and worship on your own, you dont need to congregate in mass, jesus never endorsed that idea i know that...

Just live life and be fruitful and stop accepting the twisted reality that is and make a new one

Yes He did. All church is is a place where praise, fellowship and study can take place. In Jesus' day, the churches met at people's homes (including Jesus and his followers).

Many of us still meet in people's homes. Can you imagine us living in your world without one another? We'd be under constant attack. "Do not give what is sacred to dogs, else they will tear you to pieces." For people love to attack what they are unable to accept. The behaviour here from some of the more...animated members is no different to that which I experienced as a child for having darker skin than the rest of my community.

Harry potter promotes witchcraft to fight evil,rise of the occult
(forbidden secrets)

One cannot beat an enemy with his own tactics and weapons. I think the films are very well put together and I appreciate children will love them. I was mildly entertained by them. As for the books, I have a different opinion.

[vorador]

blah wrote: Is Harry Potter satanic?

short answer: no

long answer: most likely

[armoured_amazon]

blah wrote:

short answer: no

long answer: most likely

That's my favourite answer I've read lol

[paganus]

No - Christianity is not the richest institution in the world - that nest of vipers called the VATICAN is the richest institution in the world. Those are your beloved pagan priests who didn't even change their old Dagon fish hats.Dagon was never a fish-God.he's an agricultural God like Baal.the misunderstanding arises from a passage in the bible where an idol of Dagon falls breaking off the arms and legs leaving just the head and torso,which is then described as 'like a fish'.(could just as easily said snake,worm etc) Gods of field and grain are not represented as fish for obvious reasons!

[paganus]

[edit] Etymology
In Ugaritic, the root dgn also means grain: in Hebrew dāgān, Samaritan dīgan, is an archaic word for grain, perhaps related to the Middle Hebrew and Jewish Aramaic word dgnʾ 'be cut open' or to Arabic dagn 'rain-(cloud). The Phoenician author Sanchuniathon also says Dagon means siton, that being the Greek word for grain. Sanchuniathon further explains: "And Dagon, after he discovered grain and the plough, was called Zeus Arotrios." The word arotrios means "ploughman", "pertaining to agriculture".

The theory relating the name to Hebrew dāg/dâg, fish, based solely upon a reading of 1 Samuel 5:2–7

[mariag]

is a fiction boy , made up by a fiction writer. He represent more a "jesus" figure in the "magical" world then satanic. Seems to me he is more good then most of them in the books and films .

ahh but yes , he practise witchcraft and magic, he goes to a magical school and all that , but as I have said before, there is not the symbol that is the danger , it is barely the intention of the one using the "tool" that could be "satanic".
Firstly , "satan" is a made up figure , he does not exist more then as head person in religious books as the Bible and the Quaran , maybe more.
Satan is as much fiction as HP .
Love and peace to all of you.
PS I have no intention of offending noone on this forum

[drakul]

oh yeah here is a vid from the forums own __neo2__

enjoy!:)

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=q09hkr7N5-w

Thanks for the video - it was well done.

One of the most repulsive aspects of Harry Potter was the part about tearing the young mandrake `plants' out of the soil and chopping them up to be used as forumulas. The young mandrakes screamed as they were torn out of the `soil' and the young witches had to wear earmuffs so they wouldn't hear the screaming. Clearly a promotion of lateterm abortion and use of foetuses for stem cells.

[sunyatta60]

No - Christianity is not the richest institution in the world - that nest of vipers called the VATICAN is the richest institution in the world. Those are your beloved pagan priests who didn't even change their old Dagon fish hats.

They are your Christian priest you stupid prat, they are more you than me because I have nothing to do with Christendom, you do. Read the True Chrsitians they were the Jewish Gnostics LOL I know you hate it but then you are a Hater of the Truth.

[beldazar]

How does harry potter turn kids away from christianity??? Dracul, the mandrakes were rumoured to be used that way many years ago and I for one dont see any links to forced abortions, but then Im a potter fan so I would be biased. I read a very good book by Lyall Watson called Supernature, where he tests plants for emotions, they DO have emotions apparently and since his research he cant bear to mow the lawn now :) So it is very cruel for the baby mandrakes I agree but if we all realise that plants have feelings too we would starve to death!!!

[drakul]

How does harry potter turn kids away from christianity??? Dracul, the mandrakes were rumoured to be used that way many years ago and I for one dont see any links to forced abortions, but then Im a potter fan so I would be biased. I read a very good book by Lyall Watson called Supernature, where he tests plants for emotions, they DO have emotions apparently and since his research he cant bear to mow the lawn now :) So it is very cruel for the baby mandrakes I agree but if we all realise that plants have feelings too we would starve to death!!!


Beldazar - The mandrake `plants' were clearly pictured in Harry Potter as human BABIES with plant leaves sprouting from the top of their heads. The message was clear...

I think we have ALL the Harry Potter books in this house. My daughter enjoys them. I have read the first 3.

[drakul]

They are your Christian priest you stupid prat, they are more you than me because I have nothing to do with Christendom, you do. Read the True Chrsitians they were the Jewish Gnostics LOL I know you hate it but then you are a Hater of the Truth.


Vatican priests are not mine. I am not Catholic. I do not attend church but am from an Eastern Orthodox background. The Vatican HATES Orthodoxy and has tried for 1,000 years to destroy it.

Freemasons claim to be Gnostics. What do you think of that? Masonic authors are always pushing Gnosticism or haven't you noticed? 33rd degree Masons like Albert Pike, Godfrey Higgins, James Churchward, claim that Gnosticism IS MASONIC.

Gnosticism seems to be on the Illuminati agenda.

[sunyatta60]

Vatican priests are not mine. I am not Catholic. I do not attend church but am from an Eastern Orthodox background. The Vatican HATES Orthodoxy and has tried for 1,000 years to destroy it.

I don't care what branch of Christendom you come from or align yourself with, you are closer to the Popes than I am for I am not a Christian and besides it was all one religion before the schism that split east and west.

Freemasons claim to be Gnostics. What do you think of that? Masonic authors are always pushing Gnosticism or haven't you noticed? 33rd degree Masons like Albert Pike, Godfrey Higgins, James Churchward, claim that Gnosticism IS MASONIC.

Not all Masons are Gnostics and not all Gnostics are Masons. Logic is obviously not your strong point so your Strawman is easily knocked down again.

[mr_flibble]

Satanic?
Maybe in the complicated roundabout way that everything is.See Abdullah Hashem for details.;)

Its definately shit and predictable though.
Its yet another triumph of marketing over art.

[thetonic]

Yes He did. All church is is a place where praise, fellowship and study can take place. In Jesus' day, the churches met at people's homes (including Jesus and his followers).

Many of us still meet in people's homes. Can you imagine us living in your world without one another? We'd be under constant attack. "Do not give what is sacred to dogs, else they will tear you to pieces." For people love to attack what they are unable to accept. The behaviour here from some of the more...animated members is no different to that which I experienced as a child for having darker skin than the rest of my community.



One cannot beat an enemy with his own tactics and weapons. I think the films are very well put together and I appreciate children will love them. I was mildly entertained by them. As for the books, I have a different opinion.

No he didnt Jesus never said for people to congregate and worship in mass.. Show me the scripture? And i never said for people to go through life alone.. Stop putting words in my mouth


By the way did you know that eyeliner you are wearing was made in a chemichal factory and likely contains dead seal fats and all other sorts of shit i wouldnt get near with rubber gloves on...Are you familiar with Leviticus?...

[paganus]

Thanks for the video - it was well done.

One of the most repulsive aspects of Harry Potter was the part about tearing the young mandrake `plants' out of the soil and chopping them up to be used as forumulas. The young mandrakes screamed as they were torn out of the `soil' and the young witches had to wear earmuffs so they wouldn't hear the screaming. Clearly a promotion of lateterm abortion and use of foetuses for stem cells.the Mandrake looks like a little human figure,hence the Myth of them screaming.in days gone by they would tie string to the plant and the other end to a dogs collar to pull-up the plant safely(the 'scream' being damaging)

[paganus]

How does harry potter turn kids away from christianity??? Dracul, the mandrakes were rumoured to be used that way many years ago and I for one dont see any links to forced abortions, but then Im a potter fan so I would be biased. I read a very good book by Lyall Watson called Supernature, where he tests plants for emotions, they DO have emotions apparently and since his research he cant bear to mow the lawn now :) So it is very cruel for the baby mandrakes I agree but if we all realise that plants have feelings too we would starve to death!!!the experiment was actually carried out by a CIA polygraph expert.the polygraph measures stress.the plants gave the same readings if he destroyed human skin tissue which was not attached to anything.they also gave a response to live shrimp being boiled but ignored dead ones.he later tried the experiment with human blood and tissue.human blood and tissue also registers a response the same as plants do.

[beldazar]

Thanks for that paganus, I was about to write the same thing about the mandrake. Oh, and the experiment that was done on plants etc...thanks for elaborating more, fascinating eh? :D

[paganus]

Thanks for that paganus, I was about to write the same thing about the mandrake. Oh, and the experiment that was done on plants etc...thanks for elaborating more, fascinating eh? :D
yes.its a pity more research isnt done in that area!

[damagedbrainn]

Too bad Rowling didn't use the idea of ejaculating semen onto the ground in order to create a mandrake. That would've been an interesting twist.

[paganus]

Too bad Rowling didn't use the idea of ejaculating semen onto the ground in order to create a mandrake. That would've been an interesting twist.its in the directors cut...

[craven dark]

"Do not give what is sacred to dogs, else they will tear you to pieces." .
What wrong with dogggies A.A.?:D

[damagedbrainn]

I don't think Rowling is into "Satanism", though I do think that she is likely either into the occult or has certainly done her research.

There are numerous allusions to the occult and "pagan" mythology throughout her books, but to me, the best evidence of all is her use of the name "Phineas Black".

In the Harry Potter books, Phineas Black is the character in the painting in the Headmasters office...Great-Grandfather of Sirius Black, and the only Headmaster of Hogwarts to come from Slytherin. (He was the painting that was always making accusatory remarks about the students behavior and lack of respect, and also served as a messenger and a spy for Dumbledore.)

The occultist Kenneth Grant (former student of Crowley and founder of the Typhonian O.T.O. in Britain) wrote a fictional book titled Against The Light in which one of the main characters is also named "Phineas Black". Kenneth Grant isn't very well known outside of occult circles, so it's doubtful to me that she could have come upon the book casually (I believe it's been out of print for quite awhile). The only people who read his books (or even know his name) are ones who have a direct interest in the occult, either as a practitioner or a researcher.

[thirdwave]

"satan" is derivative of "set"

Satanic means comeing from the "Lord of this World" the Serpent. Which pretty much means everything in this world when you get down to it. This world is a matrix of illusions generated by that "serpent" the anunaki gods.

But I would certainly agree that Harry Potter is no more so than the ground you are standing on anyway.

Not disagreeing and maybe Set has been linked somewhere along the line ... but is Set not the Egyption god of Night?

I was under the impression... Satan came from this Greek god ...who;s name was slightly longer and meant something like "Life and Death forever".... the church basicly took the life part away and used the name as an icon of evil....

thats what I heard.... something along those lines...

[marpat]

Hi, I am new here. Just thought I would throw the question out. Now sure if I have posted in the right forum. So please correct me if I am wrong.
My question to you all is, with such films as harry potter and programs like bewitched. Is this effecting childrens view on occultism? Making them perhaps more conditioned to accept it?..
I dont have children or know any teenagers so I wouldnt be able to comment first hand on how it influences them. If you think that such kids/teenagers programs and films are satanic, do you therefore believe that its swaying children into the wrong direction, is it abusive?.
Cheers
Kay

Can is be any worse than Passion of the Christ of the Ten Commandments?

It might be a problem if you trying to bring your kids up to be christians and you don't want them to have an opinion but personally I think that trying to link the Harry Potter films to some form or negative occultism just smack of smug christian self righteousness.

If you are trying to bring your kids up as christians then you are expecting them to believe in magical powers, spirits, demons, angels, etc. The only difference is that they are 'acceptable' forms of magic, with the name changed to divine miracles.