The Soul

[llogun]

One of the things i cant get my head round about the soul is. Why would we want to come and incarnate on to this Earth only to live in say a war torn part of the world and live a life of misary and hard ship.
As souls dont we view a place like the Earth before we come.or are we forced here or do we try out every part of the universe.It seems to me sometimes the soul will enter anything human even if it as lots of defects and problems WHY.
When we go for a job as a person we make sure the job is the right one for us within reason before we get it. Ive herd things like we have come here to learn lessons Why would we want to learns from hardship when we are great souls and know of better places. Im not just talking about now but even say 300 years ago. I know the picture is big one to answer but would love to here your comments.

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Who (is) I am. (?)
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I am a self replicating holographic entity that projects my existence to others through an incredibly complex energetic web of DNA inside individual cells to comprise a "Human Being." My origins are the universe, of which all origins lie. My life is governed by subtle mathematics, from my hair to my teeth to my fingernails and finger prints. Same with flowers and snowflakes and ferns and seashells and music and, well, everything.

I was given a choice before my creation to take place in this life, to live in a material world where I could learn the full spectrum of emotion in order to develop a full appreciation for everything existence has to offer in hopes to one day return back to my original source. I am neither dead, nor alive, I am and have always existed and will always exist in one form or another. I am an imagination inside of the mind of God, an incredible experiment given a limitless amounts of possibilities to manifest for myself through will alone. I am one universe, inside of which all other universes exist.

I am you, and I hope that you will remember that someday and understand what this means to the fullness that one can ever understand what this means in this lifetime. And the next :)

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11/24/2007 7:06 AM
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Cool.
The highest level of wisdom one attains in life, is awareness of nuances in ones ignorance & existence. A Shaman is someone who has seen the beginning and seen the end. Not a Buddha, but a Buddhist scientist and explorer.

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[cruise4]

It could be down to unselfishness maybe? A job needs doing and we volunteer knowing the hardships. Up there our lives would be viewed in its entirety, perhaps, and is a very different viewpoint to being 'in here'.

Or Gods a spin doctor too!

[llogun]

It could be down to unselfishness maybe? A job needs doing and we volunteer knowing the hardships. Up there our lives would be viewed in its entirety, perhaps, and is a very different viewpoint to being 'in here'.

Or Gods a spin doctor too!

I no what you mean. You can look at the big picture before we come. but that still dont ring true to me when you look into some of the most darkest parts of the Earth ie kids being murderd in the most evil way. 1000s of kids go missing every year to be raped killed and taken from there parents. The parents then have a nightmares because there child as gone. This as gone on for 1000s of years surley the soul must know what going on on this planet with the illuninati.The soul must know about a greater meaning or it dont give a shit where it goes.?
When you hypnotise a person propley you can get them to do all sorts of things and trick it to do things because it does not no whats real or not. Look what mind controll victims will do. They will kill you if they are told to. So whats the point of them coming to the Earth only to have your mind takern over used then your controller kills you because you have serverd your purpose. Reincarnate again to be born into a 3rd world country and die at six months old from aids and was battered in that six months to come back again just to have another go and see if you can get it right. could we be conned here, get your ticket to the Earth then we have got you so we can do to you what we have allways done

[drael]

I can think of a few reasons. One, infinate power/knowledge and eternal bliss could be boring after a few thousand years. Two we might be really benevolent, and came to help out.

[rossus]

i don't know the big answers to:
"why are we here"
"why does the soul also incarnate in handicapped bodies"

but my suspicion is there is no individual soul that incarnates into a new body.

a man and a woman come together and have a baby,
new flesh is born... but no new soul.

there is only 1 soul.. and the whole universe shares that same soul... which is god.
through the eyes of the body we may seem different, but in reality we are "one".

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nature has a solution for handicapped creatures.
when an abnormal kitty gets born in a nest of cats... the mother doesn't take care of it.
it's left to die, so if the abnormal kitty has bad genes which it would pass to it's own children...
they won't get passed on.

i'm not sure if this is the case with cats per se,
but it is the case with many species.

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like i said before, when a new body is born...
i don't think there is really a new life.

it seem like there is a new life,
because it changes shape... it feeds it cells...
in more advanced forms, it can even walk around...
chew on plants, or animals... or sometimes create thoughts.

but every "life"-form on planet earth, is a program...
which passes on it's code to it's offspring.

a "life"-form behaves the way it is programmed...
avoid pain, have pleasure & survive.

it experiences the illusion of being born, living and dying.
but that which is the real life (the soul) never dies...

- the soul is present in that which is seemingly alive (like us humanoids)
- the soul is present in that which is seemingly dead (like rocks and dirt)

or perhaps it would be more correct to say.... that everything that is seemingly alive or dead...
is present in the soul...

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why the universe is the way it is... why there is "living creatures" like here on planet earth... i don't know.
i know "the universe was bored" is a popular idea (as is reincarnation)...
but perhaps the real answer is a lot more complex... or a lot more simple.

how do you even know "the universe" can feel bored ?
you would have to assume it has the same characteristics like us humanoids do.

[kblood]

Rossus, what you call the soul, I would call the spirit. I believe there is a difference between a soul and a or the spirit. The soul being on a journey, while the spirit is eternal and not within the timestream, therefore not changing. We are all connected, yes, but I do believe that we are still individuals as well.

Also, if we are here to learn and evolve, then I do believe a life of hardship is one with more important teachings than a life without hardship. Since there seem to be stages of the souls evolution, then some souls must then also be new. Another thing to consider is, how many souls could there be? Is the number not very likely to be infinite? Is it then as much a choice wether or not to incarnte into a body, as it is an oppertunity? To souls, life might seem very valuable no matter how it is lived, and will probably teach the soul alot wether the life is full of hardship or not. Will probably learn more from a life of hardship.

[llogun]

Rossus, what you call the soul, I would call the spirit. I believe there is a difference between a soul and a or the spirit. The soul being on a journey, while the spirit is eternal and not within the timestream, therefore not changing. We are all connected, yes, but I do believe that we are still individuals as well.

Also, if we are here to learn and evolve, then I do believe a life of hardship is one with more important teachings than a life without hardship. Since there seem to be stages of the souls evolution, then some souls must then also be new. Another thing to consider is, how many souls could there be? Is the number not very likely to be infinite? Is it then as much a choice wether or not to incarnte into a body, as it is an oppertunity? To souls, life might seem very valuable no matter how it is lived, and will probably teach the soul alot wether the life is full of hardship or not. Will probably learn more from a life of hardship. I understand that we can learn by hard ships, but out right cruelty in the most evil way, for a soul to go through that does not compute with me. Would we go into a lion den to be torn to bits by lions we wouldnt.What learning would we get by being torn apart. If we did the only thing to benifit would be the lions and all they do is lay around with there fat bellys waiting for there next meal. The thing is with this subject the more answers you get you have 20 more questions to ask im sure time will tell and one day we can all sit round with smiles on are faces with the answers.
Thanks for your answers so far hope some more come.

[kblood]

I understand that we can learn by hard ships, but out right cruelty in the most evil way, for a soul to go through that does not compute with me. Would we go into a lion den to be torn to bits by lions we wouldnt.What learning would we get by being torn apart. If we did the only thing to benifit would be the lions and all they do is lay around with there fat bellys waiting for there next meal. The thing is with this subject the more answers you get you have 20 more questions to ask im sure time will tell and one day we can all sit round with smiles on are faces with the answers.
Thanks for your answers so far hope some more come.

Maybe the soul that tries living a life of cruelty, afterwards finds and makes itself a life trying to avoid that kind of cruelty to come to others. Maybe that soul fails its test and spreads more cruelty, but it still has its chance to evolve.

[hutanic]

I got some memory's from my last life time and entering in this body, and i did not wanna be born again yet i was dumped in this body. I believe we are simply "doomed" to this until we clear out all karma and achieve what we can.

[llogun]

I got some memory's from my last life time and entering in this body, and i did not wanna be born again yet i was dumped in this body. I believe we are simply "doomed" to this until we clear out all karma and achieve what we can.

I remember reading a story about a person who had died. Know sooner they had they got on the otherside they were sent straight back to the earth against there will.
Well lets say this story is true who would they be? Is the other place controlled like this one and who as the right to send you back.