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revelations
19-11-2007, 06:50 PM
Today I counted 4 phone mast's all of which were only a 10 min walk apart from each other!
Why are they putting these things up ...EVERYWHERE!?
They say that we need them for our mobile phones (yeah right!).
I remember about 10 years ago these things were few and far between, and mobiles worked perfectly allright! So why do we need so many now? Why are these things being put up on every few blocks in the city?

1280

theninja
19-11-2007, 06:57 PM
You can find how many are in your area here: http://www.sitefinder.ofcom.org.uk/

revelations
19-11-2007, 06:58 PM
Thanks for that ninja ;)
You can find how many are in your area here: http://www.sitefinder.ofcom.org.uk/

Mo0n5tar
19-11-2007, 06:59 PM
They ran a story last week about Israel and Taiwan beginning to demolish a great deal of the masts, a large percentage in the country will be decommissioned after years of protest and riot over these cancer causing frequencies.

The Independent on sunday ran an article today on this story, Israel and Taiwan have both decided that cell phone transmitters/recievers have negative health effects and have begun dismantling them around the country.



Mobile Phone/Mast Radiation
Eileen O´Connor
http://www.mast-victims.org/forum/index.php?action=vthread&forum=3&topic=278

I attended the first meeting for the EMF Discussion Group at the Health Protection Agency for Radiation Protection (HPA - RPD) on 2nd March 2006; the meeting was chaired by Sir William Stewart and included key people from the HPA, Department of Health, Mobile Operators Association (MOA) and representatives from campaign groups. It was a positive meeting and hopefully the first of many. Sir William has invited the EMF Discussion Group to provide a forum to consider health concerns related to exposure to EMFs and provide an input to EMF advice from the HPA.

Discussion needs to be followed up with action and I along with fellow members of the group are committed on behalf of EHS people, cancer patients and the many other people suffering with problems related to emfs to see this through to the end. I would like to take this opportunity to thank Sir William Stewart for opening up an important and urgent debate.

You will be pleased to know that the record note of the March 2nd meeting is now posted on the HPA web site. The second meeting is due to take place in October 2006.
The address is given below:
http://www.hpa.org.uk/radiation/understand/radiation_topics/emf/emfdg/ index.htm

ICNIRP (International Commission on Non-Ionising Radiation Protection) is reviewing its safety Guidelines for exposure to EMR - April 2006.

“The U.S. Federal Communications Commission, (FCC’s) exposure guidelines are considered protective of effects arising from a thermal mechanism but not from all possible mechanisms. Therefore, the generalisation by many that the guidelines protect human beings from harm by any or all mechanisms is not justified” Norbert Hankin, Key EPA (Environmental Protection Agency)scientist USA.

Dr.George. ‘Carlo Carroll &Graff 2001’. Safe levels of exposure to all forms of radiation have been lowered continuously since the 1920s. They seem to get it wrong every time! From; Cell Phones Invisible Hazards in the Wireless Age.

The UK has allowed the highest output of radiation in the world. The UK recently adopted lower levels of radiation by accepting guidelines set by the International Commission on Non-Ionising Radiation Protection ‘ICNIRP’ {M5=COuld this be related Britain having some of the highest rates of depression?**. However, the ICNIRP standard does not offer any form of protection other than from the heating effects of microwave radiation. In other words ICNIRP only protects your body from properties of high levels of elevated temperatures. A very substantial body of peer reviewed science clearly shows many biological changes have already happened.

The Government and Health Protection Agency Radiation Protection (HPA RPD) -formerly known as the NRPB now admit that magnetic fields at the power levels of 0.4 microtesla doubles the risk of contracting leukaemia, whilst other European Countries have brought down their power levels to 1 or 2 microtesla, the UK remain 100 times higher.

See Telegraph news report: Pylon cancer fears put £7bn blight on house prices.
http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/main.jhtml;jsessionid=KICYAAGPSMXEHQFI QMFSFFOAVCBQ0IV0?xml=/news/2006/04/29/npylons29.xml&sSheet=/portal/200 6/04/29/ixportaltop.html

Other countries such as Taiwan and Vietnam are now taking measures to protect the public from EMF exposures.

Taiwan
http://www.digitimes.com/telecom/a20060316A9052.html

Electromagnetic radiation issues mean large costs for mobile-telecom carriers in Taiwan. Yinxuan Wang, Taipei; Adam Hwang, DigiTimes.com [Thursday 16 March 2006] According to TTIDA statistics, about 2,700 of 49,000 existing base stations around Taiwan were under protest and nearly 900 were finally demolished in 2005. The operators spent a total of more than (US$30.8 million) in dealing with such issues. This year, the total cost incurred is likely to rise to (US$61.7 million), the operators estimate.

Vietnam
http://www.thanhniennews.com/society/?catid=3&newsid=13602

Protective shielding to go up near high-voltage power lines

Some 2,099 households in central Vietnam are to be protected from dangerous electromagnetic fields emanating from a high-voltage power line with shielding technology, said Power Company No 2. The shields are to be set up to protect homes in line with Electromagnetic Compatibility (EMC) practice by end of March through central Vietnam, beginning in Gia Lai province and running north to Quang Binh province.

Leukemia, lymphoma and cancer of the nervous system are diseases that can be caused in children exposed to the powerful electromagnetic waves without protection.

The shield system is considered the most effective measure to combat the waves and effectively protect anyone that spends excessive periods of time near high-voltage power lines. Reported by Quang Thang - Translated by Thanh Tuan

A report on electronic smog by Geoffrey Lean, Environment Editor writing for the UK Independent news paper 7th May 2006. It states the curse of the mobile phone age: around your home there are countless gadgets whose electrical fields, scientists now warn, are linked to depression, miscarriage and cancer. Please go to enclosed website link for more information.
http://news.independent.co.uk/environment/article362557.ece

Reporter Nic Flemings article in the Telegraph 4/11/2005 reported Dr Jill Meara of the UK Health Protection Agency as saying people who think they suffer from electro-sensitivity should consider keeping their distance from electrical appliances. This was the advice from the Health Protection Agency following the Irvine report:
http://www.hpa.org.uk/radiation/publications/hpa_rpd_reports/index.htm

It is not good enough telling the estimated 2 million EHS people suffering to keep their distance from electric devices. What do you do if you have a phone mast next to your home? How do you keep away from that?

What sort of society are we living in when only certain people are allowed to earn a living, consigning the rest to live out their lives in pain, enforced poverty and isolation? By encouraging the proliferation of wireless devices, society has created an invisible under-class who are denied the opportunities available to everyone else. ES victims are often unable to use their talents and capabilities to earn a living through denial of access to transport and places most people take for granted. With other forms of disability, society has taken the view that such a situation is unacceptable and as legislated to ensure equal access and equal opportunity.

It is unacceptable to say “keep your distance from electrical appliances” or “Get over it, take a pain killer” then you could travel to work and be employed in our WiFi office surrounded by cordless and mobile phones”. Why should EHS people in the UK be any different to the recognised EHS people in Sweden?

We want prevention and protection, we need to be treated with respect and honestly represented by the people in power we deserve nothing less.

The UK Government has taken over £22 billion in the selling of the licences to the mobile phone industry. They put £3.5 million back into research along with £3.5 million from the Mobile Phone Industry. Further support was announced on November, 04 for research on three additional studies for the MTHR programme. While we welcome further research, we are concerned that it lacks true independence and would prefer the funding to go to an independent group of scientists.

Other countries medical professions recognise that some people are sensitive to non-ionising radiation. Sweden now has a medical register of 285,000 and California 700,000. We believe these figures are underestimated, since many people are not aware that their symptoms are connected to a condition known as electro-sensitivity or hypersensitivity (EHS) people. However, if the same figures apply to the UK this could indicate over 2.1 million people are knowingly or unknowingly affected to environmental fields (EMF).

Sir William Stewart, head of the UK’s Health Protection Agency (HPA), has called for the precautionary principle to be invoked, especially where children are concerned, as they will absorb a higher dose of radiation and for a longer period of time.

We are now seeing evidence of cancer clusters appearing in radiation from phone masts after long-term exposure, throughout the UK. There appears to be a cancer epidemic across Europe with younger people developing this deadly disease.

The Naila Study, Germany (November 2004) – This study, conducted over 10 years was released by The Federal Agency for Radiation Protection, Germany. Medical doctors compiled case histories since 1994 – 2004, looking at heightened risk of taking ill with malignant tumours. They discovered a threefold increase after five years exposure to microwave radiation from a mobile phone mast transmitter for up to 400 metres distance, compared to those patients living further away.

A study carried out by Ronni Wolf MD and Danny Wolf MD, Kaplan Medical Centre, Israel (April 2004) discovered a fourfold increase in cancer within 350 metres after long-term exposure to microwave radiation from a mobile phone mast and a tenfold increase specifically among women, compared to patients living away from the masts.

Six other short-term mobile phone mast studies have also found significant health effects such as headaches, dizziness, depressio

http://www.mast-victims.org/index.php?content=news&action=view&type=newsitem&id=2454
Taiwan Created: 7 Nov 2007
The target of dismantling 1500 mobile phone base stations (MPBS) this year will be achieved by the end of the year, National Communications Commission Chairman Su Yeong-chin said yesterday.
Reporting at the Legislative Yuan, Su said the NCC's promise to push the private MPBS operators to dismantle 1500 of the controversy-ridden base stations in 2007 will be delivered without problems.
Su said that as of the end of October, 1472 MPBSs had been dismantled and removed, an achievement that represents 98.13 percent of the execution target. He added that the dismantling of the remaining 28 MPBS can be completed in the last two months of the year.
Su made the remarks in response to questions from opposition Kuomintang Legislator Lai Shyh-bao, who wanted the NCC to ensure that all base stations in the country be established atop buildings of publicly run organizations instead of private buildings, buildings near schools or in residential areas.
The NCC head said his commission has been trying to move developments in this direction.
According to an NCC survey, there were 26000 base stations for 2G mobile phones, 6500 base stations for 3G mobile phones and 16000 base stations for personal handy-phone systems, for a total of about 48000 base stations dotted around the country a year ago.
The NCC had been urged by lawmakers to "strongly intervene" in efforts to cut the number of base stations by at least half, since the coverage rate of existing MPBSs is more than five times the amount that Taiwan actually needs. Residential areas and schools must not be exposed to the risk of radiation emitted by the MPBSs that could cause cancer, miscarriages and diseases of the nervous system, and could even drive people to suicide, the legislators said.

Additions to Release (Origin: Press Release China Post). . Residential neighborhoods and schools must not be exposed to the risk of radiation emitted by the MPBSs that could cause cancer, miscarriages and diseases of the nervous system, and could even drive people to suicide, the legislators said, arguing that existing base stations must be moved out of such areas, as studies show that radiation levels at such facilities in Taipei in the north and in Tainan in the south surpass reasonable levels.

Next-Up analysis:
For the first time in the world Taiwan has decided to apply the Principle of Precaution concerning the potential medical risks associated to mobile phone masts base stations established close to schools and residential areas.
Within a few days and just after Israel, this it is the second worldwide important piece of news concerning the deployment of phone masts base stations.
Next-up demands to Dr. Margaret CHAN, WHO General Director and to Dr. Emilie van Deventer, director of the WHO EMF project, the immediate diffusion of new guidelines directives to governments, intended to cleanse the medical situation generated by the installation of phone masts base stations.
Next-up hereby reiterates its request for a meeting dated October 4, 2006 between WHO and with the major representatives of French NGO’s.
Serge Sargentini, Next-up organisation, Tuesday, Nov 06, 2007

Base station emissions and Health Concerns. pdf (http://www.radiationresearch.org/pdfs/Base%20station%20emissions%20and%20health%20concer ns%203pdf.pdf)
excerpt;
there were reports of riots in Israel 14 March 2000 – residents rioted in Druse town of
Usfiyeh . They claimed clusters of over 200 cancers related to antennas. Residents destroyed all phone
masts by burning them, knocking them down and ripping out cables ICNIRP accused of peddling corrupt
science paid by the mobile phone companies.
Israel- on 27 September 2006 - 200 people from the neighbourhood Neve Horesh, in Dimona,
took their health and the law into their own hands, destroying phone mast equipment. Saying
"It was about our children’s lives.”
This is not unique to Israel the same claims have been made in many other parts of the world and the UK
has also seen a number of phone masts illegally removed.
Taiwan - nearly 900 masts were finally demolished in 2005. The operators spent a total of more than
(US$30.8 million) in dealing with such issues. This year, the total cost incurred is likely to rise to
(US$61.7 million), the operators estimate.

Hopefully we can see this as an impetus, look how much the Taiwanese cost the phone companies haha brilliant, if they don't care about our health then we will have take care of it ourself

related links
http://www.thesun.co.uk/sol/homepage/news/article263251.ece
http://www.dailymail.co.uk/pages/live/articles/health/healthmain.html?in_article_id=473553&in_page_id=1774
http://www.thesun.co.uk/sol/homepage/news/article242110.ece

king
19-11-2007, 07:48 PM
Today I counted 4 phone mast's all of which were only a 10 min walk apart from each other!
Why are they putting these things up ...EVERYWHERE!?
They say that we need them for our mobile phones (yeah right!).
I remember about 10 years ago these things were few and far between, and mobiles worked perfectly allright! So why do we need so many now? Why are these things being put up on every few blocks in the city?

1280

because those cell towers are not really for cell phones, that is not their primary purpose.

i noticed shitload of these masts in southern California, but I have seen them in Nevada and Arizona as well.

a few things i noticed:

A: there is exponential growth of those masts, and their location/placement does not make sense from a point of bringing cell phone or internet connectivity.
because, why would you need 3, 4 or 5 masts within
an area right next to a business complex, a high rise building, a hospital, a neighborhood, a school or any other place where large group of people are working/living/congregating? if you would want better bang for your buck you would place them miles further away, not literally 100 yards away. furthermore, why would you put cameras on top of some of there things, and why would you point the cameras at the base of those things?
what is there to see/protect?

B: why would you place those masts near highway rest stations, gas stations or even in middle of the desert, right next to highways? why not mount those things on top of the hills, like it was originally done as this is the most efficient
method of covering a large area?

C: many of those masts are right next to unmarked buildings and there seem to be redundant power source on many of them. also, there are heavy duty multiple redundant/individual cables going to those masts. Furthermore, masts have groups of 3, 4 or even more antennas pointing in same direction, and multiple arrays of directional antennas are usually forming a triangle. this tells me that they are directing output to be spread on far distances in specific directions.
or, is such setup because antennas are forming mini phase arrays, just like HAARP antennas are doing on large scale?

if they really intended to improve the connectivity for cell phones and internet/data they would put antennas on top of hills or tall building and the antennas would be of omnidirectional type. that way a large area would be covered.

I noticed that in middle of Mojave desert those things were also erected, right next to the main road and even next to ancillary roads. frequently, there was a power generator right next to the masts.
there are those ugly things right along the now deserted route 66 road and we can only imagine that this is in case people decide to use alternate roads to escape some calamity.

I have also noticed directional antennas on a mountain road that can be used as a bypass road, in case of emergency.
So, I am positive that every point where people can get together and either talk and/or possibly organize, or any points that people will likely move through, or places that people can congregate/talk/organise are being covered.


i noticed those things everywhere, and the placement of masts is not a coincidence.

furthermore, i noticed that some of these posts have wireless receiver antennas, and this is probably just another redundant link, in case that main control signal gets cut off.
and, usually those masts are protected with a camera as well.

by using a tri field meter you can measure a slow pulsing of electrical energy around some of those antennas.
scalars? I do not know, but i noticed that certain areas are immersed in strong magnetic fields, for whatever reason.


interestingly, there was movie about people being mind manipulated with cell towers. I forgot the name of the movie, but i am sure someone can recall the title. it is definitely worth seeing.

BTW, I wonder if other people have seen those cell towers in other countries except U.S. and U.K.?

cruise4
19-11-2007, 08:38 PM
I heard they are also going up inside Church Spires and other buildings without anyone knowing about them. These things are definately concerning.

johnstewner
19-11-2007, 10:29 PM
perhaps paint bombing them with fluorescence could cause people to look up and perhaps spot a chemtrail ;)

Infinite I
19-11-2007, 10:33 PM
Ive also heard they put them in church masts and garage signs and mcdonald signs (thatd be bout right) lol

lemonique
20-11-2007, 01:31 AM
Today I counted 4 phone mast's all of which were only a 10 min walk apart from each other!
Why are they putting these things up ...EVERYWHERE!?
They say that we need them for our mobile phones (yeah right!).
I remember about 10 years ago these things were few and far between, and mobiles worked perfectly allright! So why do we need so many now? Why are these things being put up on every few blocks in the city?

1280

There are many of these around where I live as well. (NZ) Are these lollypop looking masts Cell Towers?? I suppose they must be, it's just that they look different from the 'other' cell towers, you know, the ones they hide in trees etc.
Anyone know?

Lemonique

jimijams
20-11-2007, 02:19 AM
Heres a post I just made in this (http://www.davidicke.com/forum/showthread.php?p=193741#post193741) thread, but it's also relevant here so I'll post it again..

I recently sat next to a fellow on a flight to Sydney who worked for ASIO(Australian Security Intelligence Organization) in IT, he said he was setting up the satellite system that will work in conjunction with the Tetra phone masts to track microchips. He said that within 2-3 years everything will contain a chip and will be tracked and monitored by the system he's helping set up.

For him it was the greatest thing going, he was actually bragging about it..

jimi

soglad
20-11-2007, 02:25 AM
Yes, these things are EVERYWHERE in Australia.

Damn...

I wish these guys would just go to the forests and do a copius amount of mushrooms and reconnect with nature and Mother Gaia already, instead of all this satanic shit...

I am sad :(

orgo knight
20-11-2007, 03:51 AM
AT&T microwave transmission towers are being erected. The antennae usually look like four vertical flattened pipes about 2 feet in length located in each corner of the tower, two thirds up from the ground...
It's not an accident that the frequency band chosen for cell phone use (around 430 Mhz) just happens to be the identical frequency range that Wilhelm Reich discovered in the late 1940's to effect thought transmission and allow the mind to be manipulated without the victim realizing it." Read below.

http://hills.ccsf.cc.ca.us/~jinouy01/mindControl-cellPhone-link.html

carlg1212
20-11-2007, 03:54 AM
Heres a post I just made in this thread, but it's also relevant here so I'll post it again..

Quote:
I recently sat next to a fellow on a flight to Sydney who worked for ASIO(Australian Security Intelligence Organization) in IT, he said he was setting up the satellite system that will work in conjunction with the Tetra phone masts to track microchips. He said that within 2-3 years everything will contain a chip and will be tracked and monitored by the system he's helping set up.

For him it was the greatest thing going, he was actually bragging about it..

jimi

Makes sense.

carlg1212
20-11-2007, 04:01 AM
AT&T microwave transmission towers are being erected. The antennae usually look like four vertical flattened pipes about 2 feet in length located in each corner of the tower, two thirds up from the ground...
It's not an accident that the frequency band chosen for cell phone use (around 430 Mhz) just happens to be the identical frequency range that Wilhelm Reich discovered in the late 1940's to effect thought transmission and allow the mind to be manipulated without the victim realizing it." Read below.

http://hills.ccsf.cc.ca.us/~jinouy01/mindControl-cellPhone-link.html

Not only that, but a cell phone operates at roughly the same frequency of a microwave oven, literally cooking your brain.

lemonique
20-11-2007, 04:08 AM
Heres a post I just made in this (http://www.davidicke.com/forum/showthread.php?p=193741#post193741) thread, but it's also relevant here so I'll post it again..


jimi

Thanks Jimijams! Just read the rant thread ! So....those lollypop things are for mind control?

Lem.

i_am
20-11-2007, 04:24 AM
One of the few shows I watch on TV is Judge John Deed. Last Saturday night was a case of a woman who had developed Motor Neurone disease. There was a tetra tower on top of the building and almost everyone had developed some serious illness.

Some of the facts and figures that were given were mind blowing. Damn!! I wish I had taped it as I usually do to watch later.

Now I know it is a TV show but it shows corruption at the highest levels and I thnk they had probably done their research for this episode.

king
20-11-2007, 06:10 AM
Not only that, but a cell phone operates at roughly the same frequency of a microwave oven, literally cooking your brain.

i agree with your observation more than i agree with "cell towers are for tracking" idea.

I think that mind control or "mind entrainment" is main part of the agenda, therefore frequency of towers is working on frequency of the brain. i am not sure that such extensive network of antennas would be needed where such great concentration of people is -- if tracking microchips would be primary intention.

it would make more sense to just erect antennas next to main intersections, main roads and shipping docks. why would you need those antennas near a school, a hospital or a baseball field if you were to track chips?

i got the feeling that the antennas are targeting the people,
not RFID devices.

king
20-11-2007, 06:12 AM
One of the few shows I watch on TV is Judge John Deed. Last Saturday night was a case of a woman who had developed Motor Neurone disease. There was a tetra tower on top of the building and almost everyone had developed some serious illness.

Some of the facts and figures that were given were mind blowing. Damn!! I wish I had taped it as I usually do to watch later.

Now I know it is a TV show but it shows corruption at the highest levels and I thnk they had probably done their research for this episode.

that is interesting!

does anyone know the name of that movie with cell towers that are controlling people?


BTW, here are some of those towers. click the thumbnails for larger image:

http://i14.photobucket.com/albums/a339/misterc00l/th_mount5.jpg (http://i14.photobucket.com/albums/a339/misterc00l/mount5.jpg)
on mountain road
http://i14.photobucket.com/albums/a339/misterc00l/th_mount20.jpg (http://i14.photobucket.com/albums/a339/misterc00l/mount20.jpg)
next to major freeway
http://i14.photobucket.com/albums/a339/misterc00l/th_gwen12.jpg (http://i14.photobucket.com/albums/a339/misterc00l/gwen12.jpg)
next to baseball field
http://i14.photobucket.com/albums/a339/misterc00l/th_gwen9.jpg (http://i14.photobucket.com/albums/a339/misterc00l/gwen9.jpg)
near major freeway
http://i14.photobucket.com/albums/a339/misterc00l/th_gwen7.jpg (http://i14.photobucket.com/albums/a339/misterc00l/gwen7.jpg)
in Mojave desert
http://i14.photobucket.com/albums/a339/misterc00l/th_gwen6.jpg (http://i14.photobucket.com/albums/a339/misterc00l/gwen6.jpg)
hear high school
http://i14.photobucket.com/albums/a339/misterc00l/th_gwen2.jpg (http://i14.photobucket.com/albums/a339/misterc00l/gwen2.jpg)
near office building
http://i14.photobucket.com/albums/a339/misterc00l/th_gwen1.jpg (http://i14.photobucket.com/albums/a339/misterc00l/gwen1.jpg)

jimijams
20-11-2007, 06:27 AM
it would make more sense to just erect antennas next to main intersections, main roads and shipping docks. why would you need those antennas near a school, a hospital or a baseball field if you were to track chips?

i got the feeling that the antennas are targeting the people,
not RFID devices.
Thats an interesting observation, last year I protested the local RSL(Returned serviceman) club which is across the road and up a bit from my daughters school, they erected three huge masts at the front of the club, hid the tetra antennas inside them and put Australian flags on them.

Needless to say the protest was fruitless.

Another interesting one we have here in Melbourne is at the Peter McCallum hospital which specializes in cancer treatment, it has tetra masts mounted to the side of the building.:eek:

Once they have the infrastructure in place I think the towers will be used for many things, some of which have already been mentioned and also for some things we can't yet imagine.

king
20-11-2007, 07:09 AM
Thats an interesting observation, last year I protested the local RSL(Returned serviceman) club which is across the road and up a bit from my daughters school, they erected three huge masts at the front of the club, hid the tetra antennas inside them and put Australian flags on them.

Needless to say the protest was fruitless.

Another interesting one we have here in Melbourne is at the Peter McCallum hospital which specializes in cancer treatment, it has tetra masts mounted to the side of the building.:eek:

Once they have the infrastructure in place I think the towers will be used for many things, some of which have already been mentioned and also for some things we can't yet imagine.

those are good observations.
i have seen masts near hospitals here as well.
i agree that masts could be used for many things.

niftygifter
20-11-2007, 08:38 AM
I see things as two fold here but inextricably linked.

They can and have been able to track mobile phones since early 1999, to an accuracy of 1000ft initially, I suspect that it is much closer now.;)

The smaller network equivalent of HAARP is GWEN and this is used via phone masts, certainly throughout America. Low frequency (not Good).

GWEN
http://educate-yourself.org/dc/gwentowersbybyronweeks.shtml

HAARP
http://educate-yourself.org/cn/weacontrolbychossudovsky2000.shtml

Both of which are assisted by this:mad:

Chemtrails
http://www.bariumblues.com/


Nifty:(