Asthma

[vienna]

Hi guys any advice regarding treating/ curing asthma?

I've tried the garlic diet, giving up wheat/dairy, liquorice root , green clay, salt pipes, even wore a zapper for a month strapped to my arm

I haven't however tried the Butenko(spelling?) method because I lack knowledge of the technique

I'm still optimistic there is a natural solution out there and i'm still keen to try out any more options I haven't heard of

[lavista4u]

I had asthama but when i become like 25 years old..it went away..more excersise and cardio workouts could help

[truegroup]

Hi guys any advice regarding treating/ curing asthma?

I've tried the garlic diet, giving up wheat/dairy, liquorice root , green clay, salt pipes, even wore a zapper for a month strapped to my arm

I haven't however tried the Butenko(spelling?) method because I lack knowledge of the technique

I'm still optimistic there is a natural solution out there and i'm still keen to try out any more options I haven't heard of

Magnesium sulfate. If you augment it with MSM (sulphur replacement) it will definitely help.

[alisa2]

I am a big fan of Ayurveda natural remedies.

http://www.matchless-gifts.com/store/products/Divya-Swasari-Ras-%28for-Lung-Problems%2C-Bronchitis-and-Asthma%29%3B-40-grams.html


You can read about Ayurveda here:

http://www.holisticonline.com/ayurveda/ayv_home.htm

[margaretr]

Avoid all petrochemical products like the plague.
Some helpful stuff here -
http://www.lesstoxicguide.ca/index.asp?

I have breathing problems and use himalayan salt lamps and a salt inhaler, but the best buy I made recently was -
http://www.breathingspace.co.uk/more_info.php?department=9&product=144

Pricey - but it is making a difference

[screamingeagle]

..more excersise and cardio workouts could help

I have astma for 25 years, workout certainly helps....to some degree
in my opinion it si by far the most important and first thing you shoud do
for improveing your health


Now that i found this topic,will try some of your advices....

[kappy0405]

..more excersise and cardio workouts could help

This^^

But even more importantly, the use of proper breathing technique while doing that exercise. Take in as much air as possible on each breathe and let out as much as possible on each exhale, always using very slow & steady breathes.

Strenuous repetition exercises also help as long as you are breathing in/out properly.

[screamingeagle]

This^^

But even more importantly, the use of proper breathing technique properly.


yes agree with you 100%,i manage to do this with inhale trough nose
and exshale trough mouth(no matter how hard the exercise was)

Its difficult at first....

[mikelambert]

Hi guys any advice regarding treating/ curing asthma?

I've tried the garlic diet, giving up wheat/dairy, liquorice root , green clay, salt pipes, even wore a zapper for a month strapped to my arm

I haven't however tried the Butenko(spelling?) method because I lack knowledge of the technique

I'm still optimistic there is a natural solution out there and i'm still keen to try out any more options I haven't heard of


Inflammation is an essential part of the functioning of a normal lung. Tiny areas of inflammation occur thousands of times a day in order to combat the viruses, bacteria and pollutants to which we are exposed. These hostile factors when inhaled into your lungs stick to the surface of the airways. The body uses the inflammatory response of IgE to break down and remove them. Normally, none of this activity produces any obvious symptoms. However, asthmatics hyper-react to some factors, aggravating inflammation throughout the small and medium airways. It is thought that asthmatics, over-produce unique IgE antibodies in response to these factors.
You inhale something for the first time, say pollen for example. Your body's immune system decides that the pollen is a danger to your safety and creates a specific IgE antibody to the pollen (now called an allergen). Each time you inhale the allergen the IgE antibody is made in huge numbers to defend the body from this perceived danger. As part of the defense process, inflammation occurs.

The IgE antibodies are attached to a part of the immune system called the mast cells. When these IgE antibodies attach onto an allergen, they trigger the mast cells to release a host of chemicals called inflammatory mediators.

The inflammatory mediators released by the mast cells include histamine and leukotrienes. These substances irritate the sensitive linings of your airways, just as continuously scratching an insect bite aggravates your skin. The release of histamine and leukotriene causes the spasming of smooth muscle and the airways to swell and produce increased amounts of mucus.

[getmeout]

Hi guys any advice regarding treating/ curing asthma?

I've tried the garlic diet, giving up wheat/dairy, liquorice root , green clay, salt pipes, even wore a zapper for a month strapped to my arm

I haven't however tried the Butenko(spelling?) method because I lack knowledge of the technique

I'm still optimistic there is a natural solution out there and i'm still keen to try out any more options I haven't heard of

I used to have bad asthma and allergies but i'm almost free from it now. I just really have to watch what i eat or it will start coming back.

It's definately all about inflammation, and it starts in the intestine so i try to keep my stomach in shape and eat alot of foods that are supposedly anti-inflammatory.

Try to become sensitive and feel how certain foods affect you, it helped me alot. And just by quitting the prescription inhalers i would say it improved 50%... they seem to do more harm than good in the long run.

Also make sure to keep yourself well hydrated, i found this to be a big one.

I don't know what foods have worked the best for me as i pretty much tried them all at once, but i'm really fond of organic apple cider vinegar and turmeric. Pro-biotics seems to work well, too.

http://www.naturalnews.com/028540_inflammation_superfoods.html
http://www.naturalnews.com/028597_superfoods_inflammation.html

Just avoid processed foods and additives..

[armoured_amazon]

Hi guys any advice regarding treating/ curing asthma?

I've tried the garlic diet, giving up wheat/dairy, liquorice root , green clay, salt pipes, even wore a zapper for a month strapped to my arm

I haven't however tried the Butenko(spelling?) method because I lack knowledge of the technique

I'm still optimistic there is a natural solution out there and i'm still keen to try out any more options I haven't heard of

Whatever you do is not going to get rid of it, if you live in a heavily-aerosol sprayed area, unfortunately. Singing exercises are good for respiratory strengthening. :)

[tarant8l]

Asthma and cancer are cured with O5 RTRRT, days, minutes.

[elpressiedente]

asthma is the highest occurring side affect of vaccinations up to 60% of recipients suffer to some degree after a vaccination. it can last a lifetime or you can be the type of person who generates enough life force energy to detox bioelecticaly

I suggest a detox diet

the addition of mecury in vaccines upsets the electrical balance of the body impairing the energy transfer happening between the air and the lungs..... its an energy transfer not an oxygen transfer...

naturally dust and pollen exasperates the problem but its not the cause

[mikelambert]

I used to have bad asthma and allergies but i'm almost free from it now. I just really have to watch what i eat or it will start coming back.

It's definately all about inflammation, and it starts in the intestine so i try to keep my stomach in shape and eat alot of foods that are supposedly anti-inflammatory.

Try to become sensitive and feel how certain foods affect you, it helped me alot. And just by quitting the prescription inhalers i would say it improved 50%... they seem to do more harm than good in the long run.

Also make sure to keep yourself well hydrated, i found this to be a big one.

I don't know what foods have worked the best for me as i pretty much tried them all at once, but i'm really fond of organic apple cider vinegar and turmeric. Pro-biotics seems to work well, too.

http://www.naturalnews.com/028540_inflammation_superfoods.html
http://www.naturalnews.com/028597_superfoods_inflammation.html

Just avoid processed foods and additives..

A lot of interest has developed in naturopharma digestive health formulas by health researchers. Digestive health is where everything appears to start to go wrong.

[vienna]

lots of great replies here, thanks folks

[winegums]

asthma is the highest occurring side affect of vaccinations up to 60% of recipients suffer to some degree after a vaccination. it can last a lifetime or you can be the type of person who generates enough life force energy to detox bioelecticaly

I suggest a detox diet

the addition of mecury in vaccines upsets the electrical balance of the body impairing the energy transfer happening between the air and the lungs..... its an energy transfer not an oxygen transfer...

naturally dust and pollen exasperates the problem but its not the cause

Just don't tell your cells that, those silly sods are still trying to use oxygen to produce energy so they don't die!

[reality bytes]

Hi guys any advice regarding treating/ curing asthma?

I've tried the garlic diet, giving up wheat/dairy, liquorice root , green clay, salt pipes, even wore a zapper for a month strapped to my arm

I haven't however tried the Butenko(spelling?) method because I lack knowledge of the technique

I'm still optimistic there is a natural solution out there and I'm still keen to try out any more options I haven't heard of

I have Asthma which is triggered by allergies.

I started eating local honey with cinnamon on my toast in the morning and I have not had an attack in two years.

I am very allergic to pollen, the belief is that local bees make honey from local pollen. By ingesting the honey your body becomes immune to the allergic reactions of the pollen.

[elpressiedente]

Just don't tell your cells that, those silly sods are still trying to use oxygen to produce energy so they don't die!

the whole atomic theory of protons electrons and neutrons might just be a crock of shite....

which means oxygen might be another word for 'elevated energy levels'

as it takes "oxygewn" to release energy in the form of fire...


so winenits

maybe cells arent trying to produce oxygen...

and this is the davif icke site complete with alternative views, thesis's and facts to challenge every "human created belief"

just look in the alternate and hidden science forum.... Tesla didnt bounce electrons off the ionisphere to power lights without wires in another county...


maybe biology and chemistry might just be something else

checkout thunderbolts.org for a completely different view of the entire universe.... I take this theory a step further and apply it to the energy transfer in the lungs...

you need to grow a brain and stop knocking....

[screamingeagle]

Excellent post elpressiedente :cool:

After all disease is "just" different/wrong/out of optimum flow of energy......

[winegums]

the whole atomic theory of protons electrons and neutrons might just be a crock of shite....

which means oxygen might be another word for 'elevated energy levels'

Could be, or maybe it isn't at all. maybe oxygen is actually the souls of the damned being consumed and reborn as CO2. Are you just a fan of stating vague untestable hypotheses then drawing conclusions from them?

If you're going to play at science you have to at least understand how it works.

[madgoone]

water cure will do it ,told a boardmember on another forum to try it out on his young son now he doesnt need the inhaler but still carries it just incase.

miss winegums i see your still curing people left right and centre with your advice:D

[elpressiedente]

Could be, or maybe it isn't at all. maybe oxygen is actually the souls of the damned being consumed and reborn as CO2. Are you just a fan of stating vague untestable hypotheses then drawing conclusions from them?

If you're going to play at science you have to at least understand how it works.

I own a research and development co.... we invent things based on science..
we also dont patent them so that people can play with them... the company has sold 30 million in product in 10 yrs, 10 companies now copy our designs that defy conventional science.. we dont get royalties....

something that your greed wouldnt undrstand

does the phrase ignorant cunt mean anything?

[tzikin]

I have known some Butenko (i can't spell it either) who have had great results.

The cardio exercise is really important too. It strengthens and opens the lungs. The avoidance of exercise is not at all helpful. often dry air exacerbates asthma. swimming would be great except for the chlorine and surprisingly, a nice sweaty gym really suits some people.

This is why breathing through the nose helps at a mundane level. The purpose of the nose is to warm and humidify the air before it reaches the lungs.

No surprise that local, organic honey works. Related to this propoleo has been advocated.

A lot of asthmatics deteriorate significantly with an URTI Upper Respiratory Tract Infection, commonly known as a cold. I have heard good reports of echinacea (probably mis-spelled again) as a preventive and if you can stand it, a drop of tea tree on the neckline of the clothing and your pillow at night can be helpful.

However, there is also something that you can do at a very personal level. Even in all but the most severe asthma attacks, there is no lack of oxygen in the blood!!!! The oxygen levels are completely normal. It is taking far more effort than it should to breathe and that gives the impression that you can't breath. So you panic and try breathing harder, which is proven by a reduced CO2 level in the blood.
Think of this more as an athlete who is struggling for their breath after a race. Their respiratory muscles are at full plet still and it hurts. They do not worry. They know what is happening.
This is also shown by the inhalers. Chemically, they take at least five minutes to work but relief is usually pretty instantaneous because the patient relaxes.

The other myth is that asthma is a problem breathing in. It is not. The vast majority of the problem is in breathing out, particularly because the muscles of the chest do not do anything. Exhaling is dependent on lung elasticity not muscle power and in an asthma attack, that elasticity is reduced and resistance increased.
Try taking a really deep breath and then breathing in without letting the air out. Immediately you are fighting to breathe in.
This is what happens with most asthmatics. They are so worried about not being able to breathe in that they do not breathe out. Their lungs are hyperexpanded and so they do not work properly.
I was an anaesthetist so I know how the lungs work. Normally our breath cycle is that we breathe in for about the same length of time that we breathe in. 2:1 Exhale to inhale is better in general. If a patient gets an asthmatic crisis when they are having surgery, the anaesthetist may push that ratio to 4 to 1.
So the other thing that every asthmatic must remember to do in a crisis is really simple. Breathe out! Empty your lungs before you take the next breath.
And of course, that is exactly what people are told to do with their inhaler and it brings them instant relief.
Do try that taking a big breath and then trying to inhale thing. It will really show you exactly what I mean.

So why didn't your doctor tell you this? They do not teach it at medical school. All that they teach is the drugs. I learned it in anaesthetics where lung function is really understood. And it is common sense if you know the basic sciences but not that many doctors really think about that sort of thing...

[vienna]

great advice folks and interesting points about breathing out and emptying the lungs

not heard of the water cure a bit of googling turned up his which I'm going to give a go

http://www.watercure2.org/asthma.htm

I've currently deteriorated to the point of having to take my blue inhaler every 3 hours and numerous times during the night just to get some sleep. The consequence is I'm getting through 1 inhaler every 3 weeks, previous years an inhaler used to last me as many months. So I'm desperate to try whatever I can to stem the decline. All the advice is very welcome

[cael]

My friend's asthma got cured after 6 months of excessive smoking of weed. I know it sounds silly but it did :)

[klinker]

I've had asthma since I was a kid. I've been lucky in that it has generally never stopped me from doing sports and at 45 I'm still going strong. It's still a battle that I have to overcome though and my asthma for me feels like I don't have full lung capacity. So for every deep breath a healthy lunged person takes I have to take two when trying to get my breath back. Ironically my asthma is the exercise induced type.

I use the salbutamol (Ventolin) inhaler as both a preventer and reliever but when I was a kid I had to use the Intal spinhaler powder as a preventer. I also use the Clenil Modulite (dark brown) inhaler for when my lungs get tight but this stuff is steroidal so it only gets used when really needed. I find that these days my lungs are impacted whenever I get even the slighted of colds.

I'm interested in trying different and more natural remedies to ease this condition.

My karate makes big use of breathing techniques which do help but this karate also places a very heavy emphasis on fitness and being pushed beyond your own levels of endurance where you have nothing left but spirit to keep going with. This is all well and good and I never give up but it can be distressing at times when I simply cannot get my breath.

[madgoone]

great advice folks and interesting points about breathing out and emptying the lungs

not heard of the water cure a bit of googling turned up his which I'm going to give a go

http://www.watercure2.org/asthma.htm

I've currently deteriorated to the point of having to take my blue inhaler every 3 hours and numerous times during the night just to get some sleep. The consequence is I'm getting through 1 inhaler every 3 weeks, previous years an inhaler used to last me as many months. So I'm desperate to try whatever I can to stem the decline. All the advice is very welcome

Dont forget to purchase some unrefined sea salt(i use danival) as this is essential and stay away from tap water ,i would also recomend 3-9gram of spirulina to help heal the lungs from the damage of steroid inhalers:)

[klinker]

Dont forget to purchase some unrefined sea salt(i use danival) as this is essential and stay away from tap water ,i would also recomend 3-9gram of spirulina to help heal the lungs from the damage of steroid inhalers:)

Is taking Spirulina ok when inhaler use is still necessary?

[vienna]

Dont forget to purchase some unrefined sea salt(i use danival) as this is essential and stay away from tap water ,i would also recomend 3-9gram of spirulina to help heal the lungs from the damage of steroid inhalers:)


thats me buggered, I've been using rock salt and tapwater for the past 2 days
(the messageboard for the site had some testimonials from people using table salt http://www.watercure2.org/asthma.htm )


I'll take the advice, cheers

[klinker]

I've been on the water and salt remedy for a week now and I have to say that the persistent tightness in my lungs that seemed to stop me using my full lung capacity has felt at times during the last few days to have eased off. My lungs have started to feel more relaxed at times which as you might appreciate after
so many years of this tightness feels quite excellent.

I was doing a relentless calisthenic workout yesterday and my breathing overall was much better and I was able to catch my breath quicker due to be able to get more air into my lungs.

It looks promising.

[madgoone]

Is taking Spirulina ok when inhaler use is still necessary?

Taking spirulina is fine with the inhaler or any drug,its an excellent source of natural vitamins/minerals and protein but many people dont like the powdered form because of the taste(i take it with just water :)) and go for tablets instead,it just gives the body what it needs to heal and detox.Glad to hear you are getting results :)

[thelucifer]

Hi guys any advice regarding treating/ curing asthma?

I've tried the garlic diet, giving up wheat/dairy, liquorice root , green clay, salt pipes, even wore a zapper for a month strapped to my arm

I haven't however tried the Butenko(spelling?) method because I lack knowledge of the technique

I'm still optimistic there is a natural solution out there and i'm still keen to try out any more options I haven't heard of

O2xygen Therapies
Page 46 "We have found that it cures children with asthmatic problems. They had been treated for years and years. We can stop an asthematic attack within a few hours."



Page 59
One ounce of 35% peroxide (per gallon of water) in a vaporizer every night in an emphysemics bedroom, and they will breathe freer than they have breathed in years !
I do this for my lung cancer patients.
Patients who could not lie down in bed to sleep can lie down after one night of breathing the vapors of hydrogen peroxide.
It's amazing. One ounce per gallon. It's a very simple thing to do.

Dr Kurt Donsbach




I think everyone should do the vaporizer every now and again even if youre not ill.




Inhaling Hydrogen peroxide with a mist pump.
Bill Munro beat lung cancer in his 70s inhaling hydrogen peroxide.

http://www.earthclinic.com/Remedies/...nhalation.html
Hydrogen Peroxide Inhalation Method
Bill Munro (March 19,1924) from Waterford, Michigan writes, "I have been inhaling 3% peroxide for over 13 years.




http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-chat/2439299/posts

HYDROGEN PEROXIDE INHALATION FOR C.O.P.D. / LUNG ISSUES
www.earthclinic.com ^ | 1/28/2010 | Dave from Sparks, NV

When I think of all the specialists that I have been to in the past 10 years, it is disgusting to think that not a one of them had the answer to my restricted lifestyle. Of course if the General Practitioner, whose office is around the corner had told me to spray H202 into my mouth to solve the problem none of those other specialists would have earned a dime, would they? Quite the sloppy system that we have got going here!

[vienna]

I've been on the water and salt remedy for a week now and I have to say that the persistent tightness in my lungs that seemed to stop me using my full lung capacity has felt at times during the last few days to have eased off. My lungs have started to feel more relaxed at times which as you might appreciate after
so many years of this tightness feels quite excellent.

I was doing a relentless calisthenic workout yesterday and my breathing overall was much better and I was able to catch my breath quicker due to be able to get more air into my lungs.

It looks promising.
well done :)

I'm still doing it , no benefits yet

I'm taking three quarters of a teaspon of course sea salt from holland and barrat and 2-3 litres of tap water per day

[madgoone]

Is your coarse sea salt unrefined Vienna cause i've never seen it in holland and barret, just the refined sodium chloride they label as sea salt!(garbage)also i would not use tap water and 2-3 litres is way to much and you might dehydrate yourself more.Rehydration should be gradual 8 8oz glasses a day with real unrefined salt, bin the coarse sea salt and get the danival salt :)

[screamingeagle]

Is your coarse sea salt unrefined Vienna cause i've never seen it in holland and barret, just the refined sodium chloride they label as sea salt!(garbage)also i would not use tap water and 2-3 litres is way to much and you might dehydrate yourself more.Rehydration should be gradual 8 8oz glasses a day with real unrefined salt, bin the coarse sea salt and get the danival salt :)

I tryed water/salt(actually it was the sea) when i was a kid,it didn`t help me...maybe i shoud try it again

[ptvw]

Hi guys any advice regarding treating/ curing asthma?

I've tried the garlic diet, giving up wheat/dairy, liquorice root , green clay, salt pipes, even wore a zapper for a month strapped to my arm

I haven't however tried the Butenko(spelling?) method because I lack knowledge of the technique

I'm still optimistic there is a natural solution out there and i'm still keen to try out any more options I haven't heard of

check your house for mould. If you have mould or mildue it can drive you insane with breathing problems such as asthma.

Especially around windows, in damp places like bathrooms and above windows on the ceiling.

[vienna]

Is your coarse sea salt unrefined Vienna cause i've never seen it in holland and barret, just the refined sodium chloride they label as sea salt!(garbage)also i would not use tap water and 2-3 litres is way to much and you might dehydrate yourself more.Rehydration should be gradual 8 8oz glasses a day with real unrefined salt, bin the coarse sea salt and get the danival salt :)


ditching the holland and barrat stuff, but all I could find was some himalayan unrefined salt whicjh Im going to use instead, none of the health shops stock the danival stuff . Cheers for the advice

[vienna]

still no progress and I'm still unable to sleep, waking to take the inhaler every 2 hours, so I'm getting more severe with the cure

I've reviewed all the previous posts in this thread

haven't eaten anything apart from fresh fruit and veg for 3 days (I could kill for bacon on toast with brown sauce right now!)

still doing the water cure and I'm going to ditch the HImalayan salt in favour of the Danival recommended stuff soon as I order it.

also about to start the spirulina tablets I've ordered

I tried the salt pipe a few years ago to no effect so thats out (along with green clay, liquorice root I also tried back in teh day to no effect)

I used to do cardio and weightlifting 4-6 times a week until around June this year when the asthma meant I couldn't complete my morning jogs so the cardio recommendations are undoable at teh moment until I get my lungs back

I'm also about to start taking ginger, parsley, oregano, apple cider vinegar and tumeric

along with 1 table spoon of aloe vera, 2 table spoons organic black concentrated elderberry juice and 1 pipette of cilantro

its just as well I've cut down on my diet with the cost of the above

also about to try drinking my own urine (first flow of the day) too

drastic measures, but I want my body back, the novelty of having the constant sensation that my lungs are filled with loft insulation is wearing a bit thin with my patience now

[screamingeagle]

What`s your condition trough the day......im experienceing similar condition.
trough day is OK,and some nights are just horible(1-2 in week)

after reading this thread....i come to conclusion that gym/weight is ok to a one level...after that you lose your elasticity in lungs(wasn`t aware of this until i read it in this thread).....after a month of focusing on deep breath(as much as you can) during/after exercise i make some progress....

this will sound odd.....are you suffering from cold,i had /have very bad expirience with this combination astma/cold

[vienna]

What`s your condition trough the day......im experienceing similar condition.
trough day is OK,and some nights are just horible(1-2 in week)

after reading this thread....i come to conclusion that gym/weight is ok to a one level...after that you lose your elasticity in lungs(wasn`t aware of this until i read it in this thread).....after a month of focusing on deep breath(as much as you can) during/after exercise i make some progress....

this will sound odd.....are you suffering from cold,i had /have very bad expirience with this combination astma/cold

Yep I've tried getting back into my old gym routine but its just impossible (breathlessness after squats and cardio is now impossible). During the day I pretty much have to take the inhaler a soon as I feel it wearing off. As if I'm in a constant allergic state. The consequence is my lungs have a constant ache probaly due to the excessive medication doing god knows what to them. No cold, but I've had a bunged up nose and nose drip pretty much constant since my asthma got worse. Again, I'm guessing my immune system's gone awol. I heard the elderberry juice might help but I think it takes about 3 months to kick in. the worse thing about all of this is my concentration is frazzled along with my patience.

[margaretr]

I am not diagnosed with asthma - since I don't use conventional medicine it is unlikely I ever will be.

I do get asthma like symptoms whenever I am in an atmosphere loaded with petrochemical irritants (perfume, air fresheners, exhaust fumes)

I also get breathlessness on exertion.

I have gone the route of saltpipe, salt lamps and home air filtration - helps a little but not much.

I recently bought a book -
Close Your Mouth, Buteyko Breathing Clinic self help manual- Patrick McKeown

According to what I have read so far, deep breathing is the cause of asthma problems:eek:. What you need is a proper ratio of oxygen and carbon dioxide in your lungs. The prescence of CO2 is vital. The way to achieve that is by breathing shallower and less often ie stop hyperventilating.

I have begun practicing the excercises and am noticing some change for the better - maybe worth a try for you.

[vienna]

I am not diagnosed with asthma - since I don't use conventional medicine it is unlikely I ever will be.

I do get asthma like symptoms whenever I am in an atmosphere loaded with petrochemical irritants (perfume, air fresheners, exhaust fumes)

I also get breathlessness on exertion.

I have gone the route of saltpipe, salt lamps and home air filtration - helps a little but not much.

I recently bought a book -
Close Your Mouth, Buteyko Breathing Clinic self help manual- Patrick McKeown

According to what I have read so far, deep breathing is the cause of asthma problems:eek:. What you need is a proper ratio of oxygen and carbon dioxide in your lungs. The prescence of CO2 is vital. The way to achieve that is by breathing shallower and less often ie stop hyperventilating.

I have begun practicing the excercises and am noticing some change for the better - maybe worth a try for you.


i've been looking for a proper description fo teh process could you give a brief outline?

does it involve completely emptying lungs and holding breath for as long as possible? I spoke to my asthma nurse and she said the NHS didn't take it on as it only had partial success and wasn't consistent.(As oppossed to zero success with the inhalers!)

[margaretr]

i've been looking for a proper description fo teh process could you give a brief outline?

does it involve completely emptying lungs and holding breath for as long as possible? I spoke to my asthma nurse and she said the NHS didn't take it on as it only had partial success and wasn't consistent.(As oppossed to zero success with the inhalers!)

There are 6 breathing excercises detailed in 29 pages, and which ones you use depends on the severity of your symptoms so only you can decide.
So it isn't reasonable to reproduce those pages here. Instead I direct you to webpages which explain the method.
http://www.buteykoasthmabooks.com/asthmafree.html#freechapter
ButeykoDVD.com How to stop an asthma attack - YouTube
Patrick McKeown Interview - Buteyko Breathing - Asthma - Barnett J. Weiss - TheBreathingMan.com - YouTube
ButeykoClinic.com - YouTube
Buteyko Steps exercise from ButeykoKids DVD - YouTube

..and I am sure you will find more if you google.

[truegroup]

still no progress and I'm still unable to sleep, waking to take the inhaler every 2 hours, so I'm getting more severe with the cure

I've reviewed all the previous posts in this thread

haven't eaten anything apart from fresh fruit and veg for 3 days (I could kill for bacon on toast with brown sauce right now!)

still doing the water cure and I'm going to ditch the HImalayan salt in favour of the Danival recommended stuff soon as I order it.

also about to start the spirulina tablets I've ordered

I tried the salt pipe a few years ago to no effect so thats out (along with green clay, liquorice root I also tried back in teh day to no effect)

I used to do cardio and weightlifting 4-6 times a week until around June this year when the asthma meant I couldn't complete my morning jogs so the cardio recommendations are undoable at teh moment until I get my lungs back

I'm also about to start taking ginger, parsley, oregano, apple cider vinegar and tumeric

along with 1 table spoon of aloe vera, 2 table spoons organic black concentrated elderberry juice and 1 pipette of cilantro

its just as well I've cut down on my diet with the cost of the above

also about to try drinking my own urine (first flow of the day) too

drastic measures, but I want my body back, the novelty of having the constant sensation that my lungs are filled with loft insulation is wearing a bit thin with my patience now

Hmmm, all of them? I didn't see this one in the list;

http://www.davidicke.com/forum/showpost.php?p=1059354973&postcount=3

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[vienna]

thanks for these:D

[vienna]

Hmmm, all of them? I didn't see this one in the list;

http://www.davidicke.com/forum/showpost.php?p=1059354973&postcount=3

Search results (http://www.google.co.uk/search?source=ig&hl=en&rlz=1G1GGLQ_ENUK267&q=magnesium+cure+asthma)


should of mentioned I usually already take magnesium and vitamins, but because I've been doing this for years already it doesn't seem to be a factor with my asthma when it fluctuates - I've been also drinking ginko biloba/ green and st john wort tea for years which also doesn't seem to make the asthma better or worse either way.

[truegroup]

should of mentioned I usually already take magnesium and vitamins, but because I've been doing this for years already it doesn't seem to be a factor with my asthma when it fluctuates - I've been also drinking ginko biloba/ green and st john wort tea for years which also doesn't seem to make the asthma better or worse either way.

Have you had an x-ray and seen a specialist? There may be an underlying condition, especially with you trying so many things?

Also, the rda of magnesium can be increased to a mega dose. Give it a try - usually 4-5 times rda (until you get a bit loose :D).

[screamingeagle]

. No cold, but I've had a bunged up nose and nose drip pretty much constant since my asthma got worse. Again, I'm guessing my immune system's gone awol. I heard the elderberry juice might help but I think it takes about 3 months to kick in. the worse thing about all of this is my concentration is frazzled along with my patience.

In my expirience that was it just bunged up nose and driping but just for day and night,one day some times two. No headache,temperature or pain in the sinuses. I was thinking "wow that was quick", actually it was the beginning
two to four weeks of very hard breathing. it was like cold was refering to astma and then the astma on me. anyway first i cut the intensit of training,
then was resting for a while and try to cut the use of inhaler.
i understand that is tough....but you can help yourself with the mind.

[curtaincat]

I have known some Butenko (i can't spell it either) who have had great results.

The cardio exercise is really important too. It strengthens and opens the lungs. The avoidance of exercise is not at all helpful. often dry air exacerbates asthma. swimming would be great except for the chlorine and surprisingly, a nice sweaty gym really suits some people.

This is why breathing through the nose helps at a mundane level. The purpose of the nose is to warm and humidify the air before it reaches the lungs.

No surprise that local, organic honey works. Related to this propoleo has been advocated.

A lot of asthmatics deteriorate significantly with an URTI Upper Respiratory Tract Infection, commonly known as a cold. I have heard good reports of echinacea (probably mis-spelled again) as a preventive and if you can stand it, a drop of tea tree on the neckline of the clothing and your pillow at night can be helpful.

However, there is also something that you can do at a very personal level. Even in all but the most severe asthma attacks, there is no lack of oxygen in the blood!!!! The oxygen levels are completely normal. It is taking far more effort than it should to breathe and that gives the impression that you can't breath. So you panic and try breathing harder, which is proven by a reduced CO2 level in the blood.
Think of this more as an athlete who is struggling for their breath after a race. Their respiratory muscles are at full plet still and it hurts. They do not worry. They know what is happening.
This is also shown by the inhalers. Chemically, they take at least five minutes to work but relief is usually pretty instantaneous because the patient relaxes.

The other myth is that asthma is a problem breathing in. It is not. The vast majority of the problem is in breathing out, particularly because the muscles of the chest do not do anything. Exhaling is dependent on lung elasticity not muscle power and in an asthma attack, that elasticity is reduced and resistance increased.
Try taking a really deep breath and then breathing in without letting the air out. Immediately you are fighting to breathe in.
This is what happens with most asthmatics. They are so worried about not being able to breathe in that they do not breathe out. Their lungs are hyperexpanded and so they do not work properly.
I was an anaesthetist so I know how the lungs work. Normally our breath cycle is that we breathe in for about the same length of time that we breathe in. 2:1 Exhale to inhale is better in general. If a patient gets an asthmatic crisis when they are having surgery, the anaesthetist may push that ratio to 4 to 1.
So the other thing that every asthmatic must remember to do in a crisis is really simple. Breathe out! Empty your lungs before you take the next breath.
And of course, that is exactly what people are told to do with their inhaler and it brings them instant relief.
Do try that taking a big breath and then trying to inhale thing. It will really show you exactly what I mean.

So why didn't your doctor tell you this? They do not teach it at medical school. All that they teach is the drugs. I learned it in anaesthetics where lung function is really understood. And it is common sense if you know the basic sciences but not that many doctors really think about that sort of thing...

Everybody should remember to breath out!
( sort of like giving, instead of taking..)

Breath Out :cool: