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clint_giles

16-10-2010, 02:20 AM

I lost a little bit of respect for Watt when he went out of his way to diss Icke.

i thought that way too awhile back,but the more i see it,i think Watt could be right.

although i respect icke alot still,but that reptilian thing has me wondering more and more,and i personally think its nothing more the dis-info.
i am aware of the artifacts in the world that could back these claims up,from not only icke but many others with this theory,but those artifacts and other things co7uld have been neetly placed for this exact time.
if you have noticed yourself mr icke has not really gone that reptilian route in quite some time he is more about the global tyranny and the de-population also

until i personally see out right prove myself of this,i will keep it tucked away as just that dis-info,but i will remain open minded to the theory.

mr watt clearly sticks with facts,facts that we all can ingest,because its there for us to ingest,if one would take the time to research it themselves.

bottom line is,there are some powerful families out there,with the worlds banks behind them,also the goverments and the un.
and it is clear that they want humanity downsized and dumbed down,so they can enjoy what they think is ultimately their's when infact it is everyone's !

pound

16-10-2010, 02:41 AM

i thought that way too awhile back,but the more i see it,i think Watt could be right.

although i respect icke alot still,but that reptilian thing has me wondering more and more,and i personally think its nothing more the dis-info.
i am aware of the artifacts in the world that could back these claims up,from not only icke but many others with this theory,but those artifacts and other things co7uld have been neetly placed for this exact time.
if you have noticed yourself mr icke has not really gone that reptilian route in quite some time he is more about the global tyranny and the de-population also

until i personally see out right prove myself of this,i will keep it tucked away as just that dis-info,but i will remain open minded to the theory.

mr watt clearly sticks with facts,facts that we all can ingest,because its there for us to ingest,if one would take the time to research it themselves.

bottom line is,there are some powerful families out there,with the worlds banks behind them,also the goverments and the un.
and it is clear that they want humanity downsized and dumbed down,so they can enjoy what they think is ultimately their's when infact it is everyone's !

I kindly disagree. I think the Reptilian (including the UFO/ET question) component in the equation is quite possibly one of the biggest pieces in the puzzle and certainly one that is supported by massive amounts of evidence far exceeding just a few mere artifacts. You can see (for example) the immense and pervasive influence of the serpent/sun cult (the Reptilian race) on practically every religion the world has ever seen since the rise of the post-diluvian civilizations. This fact in and of itself warrants further inquiry, and thank god Icke has taken up that mantle. I think researchers who are able to discern and assess the basic conspiracies yet deliberately neglect to investigate the very prison religion belief systems (including the Abrahamic religions) that are the icing on the conspiratorial cake are shorting themselves in regards to seeing past the veil and understanding just how extensive this global coverup really is when they take this route in their approach.

"Proof" doesn't always adhere to the Materialist definition. You must understand that.

I've noticed that many of the most vehement and vocal opponents to Icke and his Reptilian research are those that are dyed in the wool matrix Christians afraid of their own beliefs being held under the microscope of scrutiny (that they themselves apply to everything else) and exposed for being the Illuminati creation that that religion really is....Mark Dice, Bill Cooper (RIP), and AJ (to a certain extent, although he's much more open to Icke now) come to mind.

I've always admired Icke for refusing to bow down to the fear of ridicule. His fearlessness is so admirable, and his dedication to go wherever the evidence takes him is what distinguishes him from the rest of the crowd. Many researchers get stuck in a rut and refuse to look at anything beyond five sense perception and basic conspiracies, Icke on the other hand is able to understand, analyze and communicate the entire picture, the bigger picture. Another redeeming quality IMO that puts him a cut above the rest.

clint_giles

16-10-2010, 03:28 AM

I kindly disagree. I think the Reptilian (including the UFO/ET question) component in the equation is quite possibly one of the biggest pieces in the puzzle and certainly one that is supported by massive amounts of evidence far exceeding just a few mere artifacts. You can see (for example) the immense and pervasive influence of the serpent/sun cult on practically every religion the world has ever seen since the rise of the post-diluvian civilizations. This fact in and of itself warrants further inquiry, and thank god Icke has taken up that mantle. I think researchers who are able to discern and assess the basic conspiracies yet deliberately neglect to investigate the very prison religion belief systems (including the Abrahamic religions) that are the icing on the conspiratorial cake are shorting themselves in regards to seeing past the veil and understanding just how extensive this global coverup really is when they take this route in their approach.

"Proof" doesn't always adhere to the Materialist definition. You must understand that.

I've noticed that many of the most vehement and vocal opponents to Icke and his Reptilian research are those that are dyed in the wool matrix Christians afraid of their own beliefs being held under the microscope of scrutiny (that they themselves apply to everything else) and exposed for being the Illuminati creation that that religion really is....Mark Dice, Bill Cooper (RIP), and AJ (to a certain extent, although he's much more open to Icke now) come to mind.

I've always admired Icke for refusing to bow down to the fear of ridicule. His fearlessness is so admirable, and his dedication to go wherever the evidence takes him is what distinguishes him from the rest of the crowd. Many researchers get stuck in a rut and refuse to look at anything beyond five sense perception and basic conspiracies, Icke on the other hand is able to understand, analyze and communicate the entire picture, the bigger picture. Another redeeming quality IMO that puts him a cut above the rest.

i used to be heavy on the ufo thing but not anymore,i see it for what it is,BS
did you notice also how when aj and david were talking bluebeam and stuff
there was not a mention at all from mr icke about the reptilians or infact his moon theory.

the elite have re-written history for ages now,and this alien thing has been apart of things from the start.
if indeed their is aliens,then eventually it will come out,either when we are alive or dead.

until then ,im going to deal with whats on the dinner plate now.
and worry about that stuff later.

for the record,i do not think your right or wrong !

lizzy

16-10-2010, 03:38 AM

Alan is one of 3 (things do come in three's) greats who speak truth
G Edward Griffin and the late great Eustace Mullins are the final pieces to the group of three.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FmXl4UDp2a8

hello clint-giles.......on this I think we are in complete agreement; all 3 are at the top of this game, completlely authentic, a rare thing.
I have found others here,most long past ....http://www.iamthewitness.com/ but might differ again:),
perhaps not:cool:

edit, PS , I don't be-lie-ve in reppies or alien flying sourcers. BUT I once did......and that took me to Machu Picchu in 1972 to find von Danikens' ufo landing strips,..

clint_giles

16-10-2010, 03:43 AM

hello clint-giles.......on this I think we are in complete agreement; all 3 are at the top of this game, completlely authentic, a rare thing.
I have found others here,most long past ....http://www.iamthewitness.com/ but might differ again:),
perhaps not:cool:

please forgive me the other day,i will not dwell into it,as im sure you do not want to aswell.
im also certain you understand where i was coming from when i said what i did to you. you caught me at a bad time.
sorry for my comment to you !

im at a point now where facts need to be facts or else its all just hear say.

and yes we are in the same boat ,when it comes to Mr Watt

pound

16-10-2010, 04:20 AM

i used to be heavy on the ufo thing but not anymore,i see it for what it is,BS

Bullshit? Hardly. Your quick to write the entire phenomena off because your obviously coming from the uninformed perspective that UFO's and ET visitation weren't ever an issue before Roswell and the hype that subsequently followed after that event. Ancient alien visitation (from which all the world religions derive from) and global ancient UFO sightings go back thousands of years and from every corner of the globe. This is essential to acknowledge and understand to realize that there is far more to this phenomena than 'little green men' and staged government alien invasions.

did you notice also how when aj and david were talking bluebeam and stuff
there was not a mention at all from mr icke about the reptilians or infact his moon theory.

Did you tune into the show prior to the last one that aired last night? Icke was all over those issues with AJ. Thats beside the point though and largely irrelevant as Icke is still speaking to these issues full steam ahead in his presentations and books and various other interviews, he has not abandoned these issues like you are making it sound.

the elite have re-written history for ages now,and this alien thing has been apart of things from the start.
if indeed their is aliens,then eventually it will come out,either when we are alive or dead.

An impartial look at any of Icke's writings or a basic perusal through the mounds of evidence throughout history should tell anyone with two eyes and a thinking brain that the global elite are the flippin' 'aliens' and always have been. This is Icke 101 and well supported in and of itself by the plethora of evidence suggesting just that.
Bluebeam is simply diversion to draw attention away from the elite and to plant the false impression amongst the sheep that the 'aliens' are out there, and not here, on Earth. They've been here for thousands if not millions of years. Everything else is simply a cover story to hide this fact.

aura

16-10-2010, 05:07 AM

G Edward Griffin and the late great Eustace Mullins are the final pieces to the group of three.

G Edward Griffin's research holds little to-no credibility with the amount of information which he stole from Eustace Mullins on the Federal Reserve System, aside from being a member of the JBS which was funded by the Rockefellers.

Eustace Mullins' on FED, Ron Paul, Rockefeller & G. Edward Griffin - YouTube

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FiUGrlLccDcp

lizzy

16-10-2010, 05:28 AM

Bullshit? Hardly. Your quick to write the entire phenomena off because your obviously coming from the uninformed perspective that UFO's and ET visitation weren't ever an issue before Roswell and the hype that subsequently followed after that event. Ancient alien visitation (from which all the world religions derive from) and global ancient UFO sightings go back thousands of years and from every corner of the globe. This is essential to acknowledge and understand to realize that there is far more to this phenomena than 'little green men' and staged government alien invasions.

But if they are for real pound , they would'nt need Project Bluebeam . I'm not convinced they have ever landed. I think the power elite have done a masterful job of interpretation but nothing i have read about ancient civilization leads me to believe now that it's not of this planet , we have been around a v longtime.

Did you tune into the show prior to the last one that aired last night? Icke was all over those issues with AJ. Thats beside the point though and largely irrelevant as Icke is still speaking to these issues full steam ahead in his presentations and books and various other interviews, he has not abandoned these issues like you are making it sound.

I have seen icke refer to the elephant in the room as more zionist than annunki or nephlim recently.....I do think there are dark forces at work and as inhuman as they appear to be , I still think of them as earthly phemonena......

An impartial look at any of Icke's writings or a basic perusal through the mounds of evidence throughout history should tell anyone with two eyes and a thinking brain that the global elite are the flippin' 'aliens' and always have been. This is Icke 101 and well supported in and of itself by the plethora of evidence suggesting just that.
Bluebeam is simply diversion to draw attention away from the elite and to plant the false impression amongst the sheep that the 'aliens' are out there, and not here, on Earth. They've been here for thousands if not millions of years. Everything else is simply a cover story to hide this fact.

I will keep this in mind , but their control of us will be a scientific one....chipped, chemically controlled ect.

ps but I like your style:D.......(my answer in purple)

lizzy

16-10-2010, 05:32 AM

G Edward Griffin's research holds little to-no credibility with the amount of information which he stole from Eustace Mullins on the Federal Reserve System, aside from being a member of the JBS which was funded by the Rockefellers.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FiUGrlLccDc

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FiUGrlLccDcp

this may be true aura......but Griffin got to write the book and get it published that Eustace could not........the good ones biuld on past work , that's why it's RE-search.

exford

16-10-2010, 05:38 AM

this may be true aura......but Griffin got to write the book and get it published that Eustace could not........the good ones biuld on past work , that's why it's RE-search.

More like plaigiarsism!! rather than research.

pound

16-10-2010, 05:47 AM

But if they are for real pound , they would'nt need Project Bluebeam . I'm not convinced they have ever landed. I think the power elite have done a masterful job of interpretation but nothing i have read about ancient civilization leads me to believe now that it's not of this planet , we have been around a v longtime.

I guess we can agree to disagree.

One look at the numerous cave paintings and a basic perusal through the massive amount of historical accounts and unexplainable (by materialist history or science) occurences involving UFO's and the possible meddling into human affairs recorded throughout the ages, and the fact that everything spoken of in the Sumerian texts (just to name one major source) has proven to be balls on accurate (the ruins recently found in south africa dating back to 200,000 years ago just like the tablets described, also genetic modification done to humans) and identical to dozens of other texts that managed to escape deliberate destruction by the on Earth minions of the Annunaki/Elohim RE: the global elite has me 100% convinced that we are dealing with an on Earth and off Earth force here, with the hybrid elites functioning as middlemen while working in collusion with non-human entities at the top of the pyramid. Every culture throughout the ancient world states in one way or another that these sky 'gods' descended from the heavens and bestowed civilization upon mankind and instituted worldwide rule.

Straight from the horses mouth over and over again. We have these peoples own words, yet so many are willing to just outright ignore these records. This doesn't make sense to me as the picture illustrated by the ancients themselves couldn't be any more clearer as to what actually happened.

The demi-gods and god-kings (hybrids) of yesteryear never went away. They are today's global elite. Their die hard belief right up to this day in the 'divine right to rule' doctrine is a dead give away and an absolute proclamation hidden in plain sight of them being of non-human origin.

If one isn't humbled by peering into space and observing the massive spread of endless planets and stars that are potentially teeming with life and other parallel universes just as active and alive as our own, I don't know what to say to these people. The this-world-is-all-there-is materialist outlook is just so glaringly ass backwards to me. :)

I have seen icke refer to the elephant in the room as more zionist than annunki or nephlim recently.....I do think there are dark forces at work and as inhuman as they appear to be , I still think of them as earthly phemonena......

Well the truth is, is that they are all inter-connected. Just strands in the same web/network. One team/tribe of interbreeding ruling elites posing as polar opposites when they are in fact all controlled by the same puppet masters. After all the Zionists consider themselves the 'chosen ones', no? The chosen ones of whom? The Annunaki/Elohim. Its all inter-related one way or another. All these factions are the elephant in the room.

These globalists (interbreeding tribe of ruling elites that go back thousands of years) roughly make up atleast 6% of the population and number in the few thousands. This ruling class (13 bloodlines) is totally indifferent and brutal to the rest of humanity, the real 'humans'. All just coincidence contrary to the fact that hundreds of ancient documents lay out for all to see just exactly what these cretons really are (a serpent worshipping, black occult, human sacrificing, shape shifting race of serpentine beings whom have the ability to take on human form) sometimes even in their own words? I stopped believing in coincidences long ago!!

lizzy

16-10-2010, 05:55 AM

More like plaigiarsism!! rather than research.
hi expford.......
Does it matter ???.......it;s the Truth that matters, they BOTH told us that...which is far more then most "researchers" do today......some of the best stuff / books were written 80 +yrs ago.......
much of it found here..
http://www.iamthewitness.com/

aura

16-10-2010, 06:11 AM

this may be true aura......but Griffin got to write the book and get it published that Eustace could not........the good ones biuld on past work , that's why it's RE-search.

Eustace Mullins published his book on the Federal Reserve in 1952, which was later burned in Germany under American influence; The Secrets of the Federal Reserve was the first publication on the Federal Reserve, based on validated sources from the Library of Congress. Washington DC.

G. Edward Griffin like many have used his source material, and unlike the original, they've often included their own side opinion on top. Griffins was to promote the Gold Standard which in return is controlled by the Rothschilds (same people, connections as the current monetary system). This was made possible through his lifelong membership to the John Birch Society (JBS) which was funded by the Rockefellers; and one reason why his book is allowed mainstream promotion via TV/Radio and similar outlets.

lizzy

16-10-2010, 06:35 AM

I guess we can agree to disagree.

One look at the numerous cave paintings and a basic perusal through the massive amount of historical accounts and unexplainable (by materialist history or science) occurences involving UFO's and the possible meddling into human affairs recorded throughout the ages, and the fact that everything spoken of in the Sumerian texts (just to name one major source) has proven to be balls on accurate (the ruins recently found in south africa dating back to 200,000 years ago just like the tablets described, also genetic modification done to humans) and identical to dozens of other texts that managed to escape deliberate destruction by the on Earth minions of the Annunaki/Elohim RE: the global elite has me 100% convinced that we are dealing with an on Earth and off Earth force here, with the hybrid elites functioning as middlemen while working in collusion with non-human entities at the top of the pyramid. Every culture throughout the ancient world states in one way or another that these sky 'gods' descended from the skies and bestowed civilization upon mankind.

Straight from the horses mouth over and over again. We have these peoples own words, yet so many are willing to just outright ignore these records. This doesn't make sense to me as the picture illustrated by the ancients themselves couldn't be any more clearer as to what actually happened.

The demi-gods and god-kings (hybrids) of yesteryear never went away. They are today's global elite. Their die hard belief in 'divine right to rule' is a dead give away and an absolute proclamation hidden in plain sight of them being of non-human origin.

If one isn't humbled by peering into space and observing the massive spread of endless planets and stars that are potentially teeming with life and other parallel universes just as active and alive as our own, I don't know what to say to these people. The this-world-is-all-there-is materialist outlook is just so glaringly ass backwards to me. :)

Well the truth is, is that they are all inter-connected. Just strands in the same web/network. One team/tribe of interbreeding ruling elites posing as polar opposites when they are in fact all controlled by the same puppet masters. After all the Zionists consider themselves the 'chosen ones', no? The chosen ones of whom? The Annunaki/Elohim. Its all inter-related one way or another. All these factions are the elephant in the room.

hi pound.....I can see your well read and elequent, no doubt I have only scratched the surface of what you have taken on -board.....but as logical , if not exactly scientifically provable......( I don't hold with the blood typing "evidence' either..as we both agree man has been around many thousands of yrs, this cycle may be 6-13,000 yrs. and several waves emerged from Africa over half a million yrs.........not surprising that one group survived the last ice -age in caves throughout Caspian and N. Indian ect. Trogledytes emerged ready to prey on the 'new-comers' and Ur and Sumar evolved with .......other tribes became the Kharzars and that is where 'modern' slavery has it's roots.......it's a huge picture, not one I profess in detail....but no matter how inhuman the power elite are, of this planet i see them as.......otherwise , we lost before we started (and a case can be nade for that).....but to hand them a get out of jail free card on the basis their not human , I will not accept.........
That's not to say I don;t believe in spirit world, that is entirely possible , and if we ever have an euthentic visitation , I'll be the first to say 'the war of the worlds ' is still going on........;)

lizzy

16-10-2010, 06:41 AM

Eustace Mullins published his book on the Federal Reserve in 1952, which was later burned in Germany under American influence; The Secrets of the Federal Reserve was the first publication on the Federal Reserve, based on validated sources from the Library of Congress. Washington DC.

G. Edward Griffin like many have used his source material, and unlike the original, they've often included their own side opinion on top. Griffins was to promote the Gold Standard which in return is controlled by the Rothschilds (same people, connections as the current monetary system). This was made possible through his lifelong membership to the John Birch Society (JBS) which was funded by the Rockefellers; and one reason why his book is allowed mainstream promotion via TV/Radio and similar outlets.

hi aura, (

now that is a new twist:eek: thankyou. ;) ....I love Mullins , what they did to him was pure evil, seemed chipper to the last , it was lovely to see a good soul take him out of the nursing home and into his at the last.......
...........what you say makes sense to me and no doubt factual.They plan longterm.

pound

16-10-2010, 06:59 AM

hi pound.....I can see your well read and elequent, no doubt I have only scratched the surface of what you have taken on -board.....but as logical , if not exactly scientifically provable......( I don't hold with the blood typing "evidence' either..as we both agree man has been around many thousands of yrs, this cycle may be 6-13,000 yrs. and several waves emerged from Africa over half a million yrs.........not surprising that one group survived the last ice -age in caves throughout Caspian and N. Indian ect. Trogledytes emerged ready to prey on the 'new-comers' and Ur and Sumar evolved with .......other tribes became the Kharzars and that is where 'modern' slavery has it's roots.......it's a huge picture, not one I profess in detail....but no matter how inhuman the power elite are, of this planet i see them as.......otherwise , we lost before we started (and a case can be nade for that).....but to hand them a get out of jail free card on the basis their not human , I will not accept.........
That's not to say I don;t believe in spirit world, that is entirely possible , and if we ever have an euthentic visitation , I'll be the first to say 'the war of the worlds ' is still going on........;)

Interesting. Regarding the official timeline of human evolution, I'm not at all convinced though. I think we've been lied to just like everything else we've ever been told by the mainstream establishment.

I'm not sure if your familiar with Lloyd pye and the Starchild skull (which up to this point appears to be legitimately of off Earth origin and very similar to the skull shape of many Egyptian Pharoahs) or the work of Michael Cremo or Ed Conrad that showcases anomalous and out of place artifacts and signs of humanity in the form of footprints and skeletons being found amongst the remains of Dinosaurs existing far in advance and in contradiction of what officialdom (Darwinists/Humanists/Evolutionists) has been telling us.

http://www.edconrad.com/

http://www.mcremo.com/

http://www.lloydpye.com/

The very fact that humanity has recieved enormous biological upgrades in a series of a few thousand years (which defies logic) indicating an intelligent interjection (re: genetic modification as described very concisely in the Sumerian tablets and various other texts) that morphed the human species into what we are now (homo sapien-sapiens) convinces me that we aren't being told the full story. A large percentage of our brain capacity was shut down, our left brains became dominant and our right brain was suppressed, and the Reptilian brain became more prominent and our range of sight was downsized to the 1% of the visible light spectrum (making us virtually blind!). The Human body was morphed into a virtual reciever-transmitter, a complete bio-computer.

Dr. Sam chang of the Human genome project has also unveiled recently his announcement that much of human DNA is of what he terms 'off Earth origin', his statements are incredible and shine a light even more on the accuracy of the Sumerian tablets which had stated that the Human race was genetically modified by ET's (Annunaki-those who from Heaven to Earth came) to be a worker slave race. In fact the ancient Sumerian word for Human was 'lu lu' which meant 'worker' or 'servant'.

Dr. Changs findings and an article detailing his conclusions:

http://www.agoracosmopolitan.com/home/Frontpage/2007/01/08/01288.html

So much has been lost to destruction and massive Earth cataclyms (spurred by ancient weather modification?) thats its hard to form a definitive chronology in regards to anything pre-diluvian. Sumer was likely comprised of Atlantean and Lemurian survivors that came down from the hills of Scythia and the Caucuses as Icke and others have proposed many times to rebuild what had been lost before during the cataclysms under the guidance of those they referred to as the 'Watchers' RE:Annunaki/Elohim/Nephilim...'Reptilians'.

exford

16-10-2010, 12:06 PM

hi expford.......
Does it matter ???.......it;s the Truth that matters, they BOTH told us that...which is far more then most "researchers" do today......some of the best stuff / books were written 80 +yrs ago.......
much of it found here..
http://www.iamthewitness.com/

It matters when you pass it off as your own!!

clint_giles

16-10-2010, 02:14 PM

[QUOTE=pound;1059330155]Bullshit? Hardly. Your quick to write the entire phenomena off because your obviously coming from the uninformed perspective that UFO's and ET visitation weren't ever an issue before Roswell and the hype that subsequently followed after that event. Ancient alien visitation (from which all the world religions derive from) and global ancient UFO sightings go back thousands of years and from every corner of the globe. This is essential to acknowledge and understand to realize that there is far more to this phenomena than 'little green men' and staged government alien invasions.

show me some evidence of this please..

clint_giles

16-10-2010, 02:19 PM

G Edward Griffin's research holds little to-no credibility with the amount of information which he stole from Eustace Mullins on the Federal Reserve System, aside from being a member of the JBS which was funded by the Rockefellers.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FiUGrlLccDc

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FiUGrlLccDcp

i have that book on my shelf thank you,as for plagiarizing as you speak of
everyone today has literally done that from Mullins,icke included.

my favorite of Mullins is the curse of canaan.
now there is a book that makes sense.

lizzy

16-10-2010, 04:58 PM

please forgive me the other day,i will not dwell into it,as im sure you do not want to aswell.
im also certain you understand where i was coming from when i said what i did to you. you caught me at a bad time.
sorry for my comment to you !

im at a point now where facts need to be facts or else its all just hear say.

and yes we are in the same boat ,when it comes to Mr Watt

that's cool.:cool:

lizzy

16-10-2010, 05:05 PM

pound

16-10-2010, 06:33 PM

show me some evidence of this please..

Specifically what kind of evidence are you looking for? The area of study is massive and encompasses a large scope of history both past and present.

*Just a question. Did you by any chance happen to peruse through my other posts? I raised some important questions and posted a bit of compelling evidence in regards to past visitation and interjection into human affairs that shouldn't be ignored.

clint_giles

16-10-2010, 08:47 PM

specifically what kind of evidence are you looking for? The area of study is massive and encompasses a large scope of history both past and present.

*just a question. Did you by any chance happen to peruse through my other posts? I raised some important questions and posted a bit of compelling evidence in regards to past visitation and interjection into human affairs that shouldn't be ignored.

just post me all of your own research,as to why the aliens are real

keep in mind have have research the subject myself for years
so i have seen all the cave drawings ,read some books
day after roswell(philip corso),erich von daniken followed the disclosure project.
PHIL SCHNEIDER,BILL COOPER(BEFOR HE FOUND OUT THE TRUTH HIMSELF,WHICH LED HIM TO THE BOTTLE)

Area 51,cheyene mountain,fastwalkers
the whole lot.

Dis-info -co-intel.

If they were real they would make themselves aware to us.

Sure i have heard the theories,why would they e are so ignorant and we smell like meat.
Among other reasons.

Its apart of the game (in my opinion)
keeping society away from the real truth(s)

but please show me evidence that you have and i will go over it

pound

17-10-2010, 01:30 AM

just post me all of your own research,as to why the aliens are real

Do you want me to write an entire dissertation for you or something lol? Come on. You can lead a horse to the water but you can't make him drink. Thats fine by me. :)

keep in mind have have research the subject myself for years
so i have seen all the cave drawings ,read some books
day after roswell(philip corso),erich von daniken followed the disclosure project.

Corso's revelations sound like disinfo to me personally. There is plenty of evidence to suggest that the global elite and the hidden forces of the world (including those off world) were colluding with one another and sharing technology way before Roswell. I don't deny that another phase of reverse engineering may of took place with Corso and his team during this period dealing with technology recovered from the Roswell crash, but it's hardly the first time something like this has occured.

Von Daniken in my eyes is some what legit and usually accurate in his analysis. I like his work, particularly his latest presentations with Giorgio Tsoukalos on the History channel on the very well put together 'Ancient alien' series.

PHIL SCHNEIDER,BILL COOPER(BEFOR HE FOUND OUT THE TRUTH HIMSELF,WHICH LED HIM TO THE BOTTLE)

Phil Schneider along with Thomas Costello and Christa Tilton (and Paul Bennowitz) are icons of courage and truth, when all is revealed they will be vindicated. Cooper I have lots of respect for as I myself initially started on my journey of awakening by reading his 'Behold a pale horse'. I was however dissapointed and some what suspicious of his malicious attack on Icke and his later recanting of the UFO/alien information he had presented earlier (which despite his proffessed new found disbelief still had a bit of truth to it). I think ultimately his refusal to take it one step further by thoroughly examining how his own religion is being used as an enslavement tool eventually led me away from and more into the broader and encompassing works of Icke.

Costellos infamous 'Dulce papers':

http://www.bibliotecapleyades.net/offlimits/esp_offlimits_2.htm

The Christa Tilton Dulce abduction story:

http://www.ufocasebook.com/christatilton.html

Area 51,cheyene mountain,fastwalkers
the whole lot.

Black op's and underground bases. What a fascinating area. I'm not familiar with 'fastwalkers' though. Do you mean 'skinwalkers'?

If they were real they would make themselves aware to us.

Comments like this make me think that you aren't familiar with the thousands of accounts going back to time immemorial describing contact and sightings again and again. Like I previously pointed out this is how we got the world's major religions. Aliens posed as gods and mankind has been worshipping these beings ever since. It's totally hidden in plain sight and clear as day to see if one suspends judgement and employs a bit of critical thinking. Just because they don't show up on the white house lawn doesn't mean that their not here, and haven't been here. Why is that? Because their in the flippin' White house! In the words of British Astrophycist Fred Hoyle paraphrased by Icke:

Fred Hoyle, told a London press conference as long ago as 1971 that the world was controlled by a force which could manifest in many forms. “They are everywhere,” he told astonished journalists, “in the sky, in the sea and on the Earth...” He said that ‘they ’ controlled humanity through the mind. I know this sounds utterly bizarre, but you need to read the whole of The Biggest Secret to see the wealth of evidence to support this. If you pull out now or after a couple of chapters because your belief system is in overload, that’s your choice, but you will miss the opportunity to see that the almost hysterically unbelievable is actually true.

http://www.bibliotecapleyades.net/biggestsecret/biggestsecretbook/biggestsecret02.htm

Sure i have heard the theories,why would they e are so ignorant and we smell like meat.

At this point I wouldn't call them mere theories.

clint_giles

17-10-2010, 01:59 AM

[QUOTE=pound;1059332742]Do you want me to write an entire dissertation for you or something lol? Come on. You can lead a horse to the water but you can't make him drink. Thats fine by me. :)

you offered ,and i asked.

clint_giles

17-10-2010, 02:01 AM

as for sightings
its all military
top-secret.

nothing more and nothing less.

pound

17-10-2010, 02:28 AM

as for sightings
its all military
top-secret.

nothing more and nothing less.

This would be a plausible assertion in regards to more modern day sightings, but doesnt do anything whatsoever in addressing the plethora of sightings that have occurred before this period and that were all attributed to ET's by those who witnessed these things over and over again. You are dismissing accounts straight from the horses mouth in exchange for prosaic and very unrealistic arguments and I think that is incredibly foolish.

pound

17-10-2010, 02:29 AM

you offered ,and i asked.

I'll pass. We'll just agree to disagree.

clint_giles

17-10-2010, 03:05 AM

This would be a plausible assertion in regards to more modern day sightings, but doesnt do anything whatsoever in addressing the plethora of sightings that have occurred before this period and that were all attributed to ET's by those who witnessed these things over and over again. You are dismissing accounts straight from the horses mouth in exchange for prosaic and very unrealistic arguments and I think that is incredibly foolish.

show me the evidence of sightings befor history was changed ,say since 1611 when king james re-wrote the bible.

anything after this time is most likely bullshit.
in my opinion

pound

17-10-2010, 03:09 AM

show me the evidence of sightings befor history was changed ,say since 1611 when king james re-wrote the bible.

anything after this time is most likely bullshit.
in my opinion

I hope you have some extra time on your hands. :):)

pound

17-10-2010, 03:20 AM

Let me first pose a few questions to you though.

What explanation do you attribute to the fact that no matter wherever one goes in the ancient world there are always serpent/sun cults in place often worshipping the same gods under different names? Most if not all of these serpent/sun cults indulged in human sacrifice, black occult practices (the Illuminati religion in its purest form) and pyramid building with most if not all of the buildings they constructed pointing toward the same star systems (most notably Draco and Sirius). What do you make of all of this? Keep in mind each one of these cultures share remarkably similar creation stories and folklore in regards to a 'golden age', a 'fall of man', a 'tower of babel', and extra-terrestial beings coming from the skies, the seas and the underground to bestow civilization and institute rule over mankind.

I don't belive in coincidences BTW.

So we have Serpent cults all over the world in ancient times, and ironically enough the worldwide symbol for aristocracy has always been that of a Dragon or Serpent denoting a 'divine right to rule'. What do you make of this? Even those in the most abject of denial will have a hard time downplaying these major connections.

Join this very informative on going thread if you want as it pertains to what we're discussing here:

http://www.davidicke.com/forum/showthread.php?t=138599&page=9

*P.S. please read through my entire posts before you respond. Thank you :)

aura

17-10-2010, 04:15 AM

i have that book on my shelf thank you, as for plagiarizing as you speak of everyone today has literally done that from Mullins, icke included.
my favorite of Mullins is the curse of canaan. now there is a book that makes sense.

Eustace Mullins never had to plagiarize anyone's research, as his main source material was from the Library of Congress - which he was a staff member, and to-date the only person ever fired from there for "political reasons", largely influenced by then FBI Director, J. Edgar Hoover (as documented in A Writ for Martyrs).

This statement is untrue. Eustace dedicated 62-years of his life exposing the world system and history, and never once was questioned upon his sources; a protégé of the 20th century intellectual poet and political prisioner, Ezra Pound' left Mullins with his own 30 years research to further build on.

clint_giles

17-10-2010, 01:29 PM

Eustace Mullins never had to plagiarize anyone's research, as his main source material was from the Library of Congress - which he was a staff member, and to-date the only person ever fired from there for "political reasons", largely influenced by then FBI Director, J. Edgar Hoover (as documented in A Writ for Martyrs).

This statement is untrue. Eustace dedicated 62-years of his life exposing the world system and history, and never once was questioned upon his sources; a protégé of the 20th century intellectual poet and political prisioner, Ezra Pound' left Mullins with his own 30 years research to further build on.

you totally misread my statement about mr mullins

aura

18-10-2010, 06:00 AM

you totally misread my statement about mr mullins

I assumed this had been the case, once my reply was posted.

The comment which you made was open to interpretation, and I wanted to make the point that Eustace always did his own original research; unlike many which have abused his work over the past 50 years and credited it as their own.

lizzy

18-10-2010, 06:27 AM

lizzy

18-10-2010, 06:35 AM

All manifestations of a society that has lost the ability to think critically!!

Do any of these researchers stress the importance of critical thought,learning HOW to think and not WHAT to think?

Watt mentions it here........
http://www.cuttingthroughthematrix.com/transcripts/Alan_Watt_CTTM_LIVEonRBN_545_The_Purpose_of_Being_ Human__Bankers_Dont_Fret__They_Get_Fat_Off_Debt__H eres_the_Facts__You_Pay_Off_Through_Tax_Mar312010. html

As I say, we are TAUGHT to think linearly. It’s very, very good. You get people thinking in a linear direction like a computer. I’ve mentioned this analogy many times before, a computer has a language, a computer language, it has a logic designed into it, and it has a program. It also has a programmer who designs this kind of stuff. The programmer technically can be fed a question and if he understands that computer perfectly, he will know the answer, by the logic of the computer that it must arrive at. We are the same way. We are taught to think linearly. A = etc, etc, etc and we come to a conclusion that’s predetermined for us, by the way it’s presented. The bits of information, the bits and bytes of information you might say, is presented to us and leads us in a step by step format where we don’t have to do any thinking at all to a predesigned conclusion.

That’s what makes it possible for those who don’t think linearly to fool you. You know, the ones at the top who know all these arts. We go into a sort of clicking phase where our brains don’t function properly when we’re trying to follow the scams of bankers, for instance, and how they can see something that you would never have thought of and how they literally will come from an opposite direction of thinking, using a different kind of logic to get what they want. That’s non-linear thinking. As I say, that only works for a long time with a society who are taught LINEAR thinking only.

Logic used to be taught school; logic and reasoning. They were arts. They were taught in school how to take any particular topic and analyze it and use your reason to come to conclusions. But that isn’t taught anymore. Much of the thinking that we are taught today is really SOCIAL ENGINEERING for a particular type of society, under a particular type of rulership. Much of it is used by using EMOTION. I’ve mentioned articles and read them recently about how they use emotion to really imprint ideas or agendas into our minds so we’ll go along with them. It’s very, very effective.

clint_giles

18-10-2010, 10:27 PM

I assumed this had been the case, once my reply was posted.

The comment which you made was open to interpretation, and I wanted to make the point that Eustace always did his own original research; unlike many which have abused his work over the past 50 years and credited it as their own.

All good my friend, cheers to Mr Mullins.

clint_giles

18-10-2010, 10:29 PM

aura

19-10-2010, 01:22 AM

Eustace Mullins - THE WORLD ORDER - A Study in the Hegemony of Parasitism
LISTEN Chapter 1-1/1-2
LISTEN Chapter 1-3/1-4
LISTEN Chapter 2-1/2-2
LISTEN Chapters 3/4-1/4-2
LISTEN Chapters 5-1/5-2
LISTEN Chapters 5-3/5-4
LISTEN Chapters 6
http://www.iamthewitness.com/

I would love to find a copy of THE WORLD ORDER.......

and to d/l the book
Eustace Mullins
The Secrets of the Federal Reserve

You can locate some here to download;

PDF Books:

Eustace Mullins - Secrets of the Federal Reserve; The London Connection (1984)
http://www.archive.org/details/EustaceMullins-SecretsOfTheFederalReserveTheLondonConnection1984

Eustace Mullins - The World Order, A Study in the Hegemony of Parasitism (1985)
http://www.archive.org/details/EustaceMullins-TheWorldOrderAStudyInTheHegemonyOfParasitism1985

Eustace Mullins - Murder by Injection; The Story of the Medical Conspiracy Against America (1988)
http://www.archive.org/details/EustaceMullins-MurderByInjectionTheStoryOfTheMedicalConspiracy

Videos:

Eustace Mullins - Murder by Injection (Bobby Lee Show)
http://www.archive.org/details/Video-EustaceMullins-MurderByInjectionbobbyLeeShow

Eustace Mullins - The Magical Money Machine (Bobby Lee Show)
http://www.archive.org/details/EustaceMullins-TheMagicalMoneyMachinebobbyLeeShow

There will be an MP3 Archives released next month to download; which features all the known available radio interviews with Eustace Mullins, that I've been working on over the past 9 months.

The best source for buying his books are from his family relation on ebay. They're the lowest priced found online, and all in hardcover for extra value.
http://shop.ebay.com/matt17930/m.html?_nkw=&_armrs=1&_from=&_ipg=