Majic... spoken and sung.

[majicdragon]

God is said to have created all we can touch, taste, see, smell, and hear... with a word. And perhaps it was in song. No matter.

I'm not sure what singing and speaking have to do with creating.... I do not know weather words hold any such creative power... at least by themselves.

In my life, as far as I can recollect, there have been more than a few times when I have spoken the future with no uncertainty. And there are times when I have done the same with song.

My question is, "In these instances, did the words have any power by themselves?"

Most of us have probably seen Characters on TV or on The Big Screen who's lives revolve around magic. Many of them have spells they can say to do or to undo magical spells. "Open Sesame" or "Ah-la-peanut-buter-sandwiches" are two that come to mind.

I wonder if these words hold any power to the uninitiated. I know I have tried both "Open Sesame" and "ah-la-peanut-butter-sandwiches" as a young boy to no avail.

What am I getting at....

Well, I wonder if words are just a side effect of a feeling that does the creating. I wonder if the actual words hold any power at all... And I could go further and argue that the feeling of creating, even with it's proof having been made manifest may just have been a foreshadowing of what would be so, no matter what... This would mean there is no creating, but only seeing. So now that you know where I'm coming from, which seems to be a deep dark pit of un-enlightenment, or some kind of pure sphere of unawareness, I'll try to explain.

I was going to write about spoken and sung magic as if I knew exactly what I was talking about... and I don't.

I guess I thought I did, but in attempting to write about it, I have come to the conclusion that I know nothing of weather words have power.

I'm stuck between a few possibilities:

*Words do not create. They are just meaningless punctuation of a feeling... meaningful for the user and the listener, but otherwise powerless.

*Words help to create. They help to focus the feelings we have onto our prospective creation and they are the punctuation between our would-be fantasy creation and actualization.

*Words create. They are the necessary conduit through which something which does not exist may resonate into actuality.




I'll have to write more on this later. -ice cream float- This topic is more difficult than I first suspected. I was going to post about the few times when I used words to either sing fact into being, or sing about future fact not already existing....

There is so much to write about on this topic and on the topics this will open up. I'm glad I opened a new thread for it.

Anyone feel absolutely free to post within this thread, I'll eventually get this started... I'm looking for answers. I'm searching within myself, If someone has insight, that's what I'm looking for. If someone has questions, please ask. Got an anecdote?... Go for it.

Oh yeah, Ice Cream... I'll be back to propound on what I have found to be quite profound.

[amercury]

"In the beginning was the WORD"
I think 'in the beginning was the intention', then the word brings it into existence.

I have been thinking about 'words' a lot lately, I'm glad you started his thread.

I just read Vygotsky's 'Thought and Language' which really has me trying to figure it all out. (By the way, torturous book until the last couple of paragraphs)

He writes that "A word is a microcosm of human consciousness" He also says that "words play a central part in the historical growth of consciousness as a whole". He basically says that a word without thought (intention) is dead, meaningless, and a thought without words "remains in the shadows".

So I'm thinking that there are infinite possibilities to create reality within consciousness, and thought assisted by words brings out the reality to be percieved. You choose your reality by your beliefs. Thoughts and words.

OK so what about deaf/mute people? Well they still have a language, sign language, but do they have sound? Do they "hear" something in their mind? Where does sound come into it?

I know I am rambling a bit....like I said I am trying to figure it all out.
I'm interested to see other's responses.

[cruise4]

'Vibration' seems relevant. Maybe 'ether'. What is the medium for frequency? What is the medium for Love?

I have No Clue!

[mr_moon]

What a fascinating topic! When we use words, we are basically stringing together a bunch of 'symbols' which are, in themselves, very powerful things. These symbols have been created by thought in the first instance, manifested through intent already, so that intent - with every symbol we recognise - is embedded within that symbol.

Each symbol is a movement or vibration which holds great power and the way we put them together decides upon the outcome.

It varies from culture to culture however and growing up in the West i can only relate this Magic to my native language of English, which of course doesn't make it any less relevant!

English in particular is a 'mental' language and many of the words have hidden symbols within them, which we subconsciously process in our minds. A lot of these symbols are very powerful 'manifestation' symbols, some are symbols to create particular emotions or feelings etc... and if we are to truly unlock the Magic and Power of English, then we must acknowledge that we are NOT taught them as symbols but as LETTERS and NUMBERS... we are however taught that they are SPELLINGS. We learn to SPELL... but what Magic are we casting through doing this? What spells is the education system making us learn?

This needs discussion...

Lots of LOOVE!
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[mcmenek1]

Hi,

Words hold a lot of power, words have the power to effect us consciously and thus they effect our reality, words have vibration frequencies and these vibration frequencies have an effect on our DNA........ our level of conscious awareness depends on the level to which our DNA has been activated.

Our DNA can be programmed by the vibration frequency of words......"The Powers That Be" often attach negativity to words with a certain vibration frequency to program us which is designed to shut down our DNA and thus limit our conscious awareness......

If we can think of the English language as a programming language and this programming language has the power to effect our DNA in a positive way or a negative way depending on how it is used......"The Powers That Be" have control over this programming language through the Oxford English Dictionary they have the power to create words with a certain vibration frequency that will have negative attachments when used in every day situations....... for example the words 'fear' and 'blood'...... both these words have a vibration frequency of 3.......

To understand how we are being programmed daily by "The Powers That Be" and how it can be avoided see this thread:

http://www.davidicke.com/forum/showthread.php?t=1979

Love
&
Peace

[mr_moon]

Hi,

Words hold a lot of power, words have the power to effect us consciously and thus they effect our reality, words have vibration frequencies and these vibration frequencies have an effect on our DNA........ our level of conscious awareness depends on the level to which our DNA has been activated.

Our DNA can be programmed by the vibration frequency of words......"The Powers That Be" often attach negativity to words with a certain vibration frequency to program us which is designed to shut down our DNA and thus limit our conscious awareness......

If we can think of the English language as a programming language and this programming language has the power to effect our DNA in a positive way or a negative way depending on how it is used......"The Powers That Be" have control over this programming language through the Oxford English Dictionary they have the power to create words with a certain vibration frequency that will have negative attachments when used in every day situations....... for example the words 'fear' and 'blood'...... both these words have a vibration frequency of 3.......

To understand how we are being programmed daily by "The Powers That Be" and how it can be avoided see this thread:

http://www.davidicke.com/forum/showthread.php?t=1979

Love
&
Peace

I think you may have just blown my mind with this...


LOVE LIGHT

JAY
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[amercury]

so intention leads to thought/action--this becomes percievable by words
that equal certain numbers
that have vibration frequencies
that affects our DNA

somehow I understand all that, and I am still confused

so our DNA makes reality manifest
if the right words are used during a spell...the vibration would affect our DNA to control the outcome
:confused:

[majicdragon]

I don't know about numbers or breaking words down to numbers.... I don't know about words changing our DNA...

Jake was guilty, his DNA markers were all over the crime-scene... then he said a few words and we checked again on the status of his DNA...

"My god man! His Dna has changed!"
"It's a miracle!"
"Oh, wait, wrong sample... Here it is. It hasn't changed a bit."


I just don't know about changing our DNA through words. However, activating certain dormant traits of our DNA is another thing entirely. That we could awaken something from hibernation seems entirely possible. Weather certain parts of the DNA are active or not shouldn't alter the way the DNA shows up on graphs... I'm open to the possibility of altering the active status of certain DNA traits through words or feelings, but this DNA stuff isn't my forte. Mine is to wonder for now, weather it is the intention, the words spoken, or a combination of intention and the word (spoken or sung) that facilitates creation.

Again, I fail to come to any conclusion.

I should start coming at this with a different attitude, then I can succeed in not come to any conclusions. At least I can be successful.

I have had those times when I have sung a truth not yet unveiled.

I'll try to write about some of them if I can wrap my head around it all enough to tell it.

[i_am]

In the beginning there was the word

The Word is sound

Sound is vibration

Vibration is energy

The Word is a thought.

Thought is vibration

Thought is energy

Love is vibration

God is love

God is Energy

God, The word, Love, Thought, Energy, Vibration

Is all not one?

Creation is turning thought into matter.

Through matter God can experience what in thought is only a concept.

[grover66]

I think the spoken word holds more power than we'll ever know.

I was really interested to get your take on how "sung" magic is more powerful, or if indeed it is more powerful, than the spoken word.

I sing a lot :) I loves me music. I was once told by a "psychic" that I should realise that the love I have of music is basically carrying me through and that when things get too much, I should just SING!!! She said it was more powerful than I realise.

[mr_moon]

I think the spoken word holds more power than we'll ever know.

I was really interested to get your take on how "sung" magic is more powerful, or if indeed it is more powerful, than the spoken word.

I sing a lot :) I loves me music. I was once told by a "psychic" that I should realise that the love I have of music is basically carrying me through and that when things get too much, I should just SING!!! She said it was more powerful than I realise.

You're SO right!!

Singing Magic is the Key to unlocking ALL human potential, all secrets of the Universe and developing abilities such as instant manifestation and even DNA repair...

...i'm working on it... ;)

Lots of Love
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[nuit]

The power of the voice in conjunction with magick dates back to the earliest records on the subject and before. The most prominent place historically linked with the use of words in magick is, of course, ancient Egypt. It is here that we have many texts on the subject that have now been translated from hieroglyphics, and there was a system of magick specifically relating to the use of words. This system was called heka, which was derived from the god Hekau, the author of spells, incantations, and words of bewitchment.Egypt is considered the cradle of the Hermetic Tradition of the Western Mystery Tradition, and has influenced many other ancient traditions like the Kabbalah and some of the Greek Traditions, as well as, a number of the modern traditions.

In nearly every book on ceremonial magick, as well as in a couple of the primary works in Wicca, the vibratory formulae are mentioned. That's correct, formulae. There are really more that just one way to use this potent tool. There are at least three different way to use the art of vibrating the proper words of power. As a rule, the Vibratory Formula can be defined as flows:

Vibratory Formula: A method by which divine names and words are intoned forcefully and with authority in a "vibration." Properly performed, the vibration should be felt throughout the entire body and imagined to be vibrated throughout the universe.


http://www.jwmt.org/v1n5/vibratoryform.html

[amercury]

Nice post Nuit, a 'how to' on creating vibration for magical words.

Yes let's revive this thread! Where's Paganus too!

Mcmenek1..the vibration of words that you write about is different than the vibration of words that Nuit is writing about for the use of magic. Isn't it? I think I am confused on that.

[mcmenek1]

Nice post Nuit, a 'how to' on creating vibration for magical words.

Yes let's revive this thread! Where's Paganus too!

Mcmenek1..the vibration of words that you write about is different than the vibration of words that Nuit is writing about for the use of magic. Isn't it? I think I am confused on that.

Hi amercury

No its the same, the vibration of words can be used for positive purposes or negative......"The Powers That Be" are using magic against us by attaching certain vibrations to negative events......

You may be interested to know the word 'magic' has a vibration of 33.......the female vibration!!!

Love
&
Peace

[amercury]

Ok thanks for clearing that up.
You are talking about the vibration of words used 'normally' (sorry can't think of a better word) and Nuit's post is about creating a vibration for a magical word.
(i think) :D

Very interesting