The Matrix is not real

[Anders Lindman]

There is no thing as real solid physical matter. Solid matter is very real, but it's not really solid. It only is experienced as solid.

If this reality is a Matrix, then if we would break out of the Matrix, then reality would still not be solid. So breaking out of a Matrix is an illusion. No matter how many Matrices you would break out of you would never come to a world with solid atoms.

[snoopsnuffleopagus]

Cordial Felicitations Anders Lindman:

Long, long ago, when I was a wee & INNOCENT lad, aneed arose for me to go from one room to another in haste.

The quickest route would be through the wall, as the adjacent room was the target of my intention.

I passed through the wall without resistance.

Physics informs us the Honey Bee cannot fly, yet it does because it does not know by the Laws of Physics it cannot fly.

I 'think' Humans are 'Conditioned' to 'believe' in certain limitations.

An interesting 'Story' from the Book of Yahweh informs of Daniyl and three friends being entertained by the King of Babylon, the King got 'pissed off' at Daniyl and had his three friends put in the furnace.

The King had the fire increased to very deadly levels, yet the three friends and a Malak of Yahweh were observed just walking around and chatting amongst flames that were killing others.

Upon release from the furnace, it was noted their clothing was not burnt, singed or smelled of smoke.

Improbable, yet, not impossible.

At this time, we are partially created Beings, not utilising anywheres near our 'True' Potential.

Kind Regards: Snoopsnuffleopagus

[kblood]

I can only agree. Would be nice with some use for these talents though... I guess flying and walking through walls can be usefull, but would also attract alot of attention. It does seem to need proper motivation as well. Usually I do not see the need to do it as great enough to keep breaking the laws of physiques. Maybe its only fear and distrust that keeps us from doing all the things we now think impossible.

[eternal_spirit]

I can only agree. Would be nice with some use for these talents though... I guess flying and walking through walls can be usefull

............

Like escaping from Prison. The stage magician who walked through the wall of China ( not good proof being an illusion and on TV ) regardless of so called eyewitnesses. If he can perform illusions which is what magic is mostly about.
Though some may say the solidity of the wall is an illusion and programmed belief.

[Anders Lindman]

The quickest route would be through the wall, as the adjacent room was the target of my intention.

I passed through the wall without resistance.


:eek: Stuart Wilde described an incident where he was sucked through a wall from one room to another. I find it hard to believe such stories but they are interesting.

The idea that there cannot be a Matrix came to me today. It's so obvious that I wonder how I could have missed that before. This means that the reality we live in today is the real stuff and not a Matrix. I find that very comforting. When we dream, in the waking state and even when we 'die', it's still this same reality.

Reality is solid, but there is no solid 'stuff' such as atoms like tiny billiard/snooker balls. :D

[eternal_spirit]

The quickest route would be through the wall, as the adjacent room was the target of my intention.

I passed through the wall without resistance.
................

This is the same as General Albert Stubblebine ( love the name lol ) In the Book by Jon Ronson The Men Who Stare At Goats.

[snoopsnuffleopagus]

Cordial Felicitations:

'It' is a 'Thing' of 'Beauty', which shall last 'Forever'.

WORDS: Propaganda; Matrix; have meanings both: Conotative & Denotative.

Negative & Positive.

The Matrix=The Construct

Whether Thoughtfully Observing either The Macro or the Micro Manisfestations of The Construct, I am left in: Spellbound Awe

Kind Regards: Snoopsnuffleopagus

[infinitely free]

There is no thing as real solid physical matter. Solid matter is very real, but it's not really solid. It only is experienced as solid.

If this reality is a Matrix, then if we would break out of the Matrix, then reality would still not be solid. So breaking out of a Matrix is an illusion. No matter how many Matrices you would break out of you would never come to a world with solid atoms.

The Matrix is the way 'separate' mindsets communicate, to create The Consensus Reality/Illusion

This is what the actual 'Matrix' is
----------------------------

So, what's the illusion
The Illusion is when you take, any object that is made up of mind waves (a.k.a. 'atoms'), and believe it to be real. Illusion is also to believe that the Time and Space, which you appear to be in, are real; i. e. you are deluding yourself, when you think you exist in the present... !

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The Matrix is the way 'separate' mindsets communicate, to create The Consensus Reality/IllusionThis is what the actual 'Matrix' is
----------------------------

So, what's the illusion
The Illusion is when you take, any object that is made up of mind waves (a.k.a. 'atoms'), and believe it to be real. Illusion is also to believe that the Time and Space, which you appear to be in, are real; i. e. you are deluding yourself, when you think you exist in the present... !

YES!!!! And..nicely said!!!

I........i agree with you, infinitely free! infinitely free! Thank you !!!!!

There.. ,in simplicity ,complexity...eg-s-is-Ts/ex-i-s-ts .

:cool:

[infinitely free]

YES!!!! And..nicely said!!!

I........i agree with you, infinitely free! infinitely free! Thank you !!!!!

There.. ,in simplicity ,complexity...eg-s-is-Ts/ex-i-s-ts .

:cool:

Ah,
i'm very glad you've understood my point! Others would have gone - 'What the hell is he on about?'
My 'skills' in getting thoughts across, to people, are a bit poor :)

[popeye11]

It certainly does seem to be nothing more than mindstuff and beliefs, but how do we drop these beliefs?
I would really honest to goodness like to know.
I mean we drop so many beliefs about the nature of reality and the things we've been lied to about............................. but we're still here. :eek:

[infinitely free]

It certainly does seem to be nothing more than mindstuff and beliefs, but how do we drop these beliefs?
I would really honest to goodness like to know.
I mean we drop so many beliefs about the nature of reality and the things we've been lied to about............................. but we're still here. :eek:

Yesterday I got an idea passing throgh my mind

This may or may not be the case -
but it is possible that any form of belief, passing through our mind at any split second, actually defines what happens next in our 'reality'. I remember these trees, which we had to draw in Maths. I can't remember the exact term, but they were to do with different outcomes and possibilities.

For example, say we are about to cross a busy road. There are fast cars passing. We loose patience and attept to cross...

Either:
We 'know' that nothing's going to happen to us, and we cross with no difficulties,

or:
At the fraction, of a second, we are about to cross the road, we get the notion of being hit by a car..., and "really" get hit!

If/When we get hit by a car,

Either:
We 'know' that we totally fine, and get up and walk away,

or:
At that very fraction, of a second, we have a mental visualisation about the 'damage' that the car can do to us, and we get nasty injuries.

[Anders Lindman]

The Matrix is the way 'separate' mindsets communicate, to create The Consensus Reality/Illusion

This is what the actual 'Matrix' is
----------------------------

So, what's the illusion
The Illusion is when you take, any object that is made up of mind waves (a.k.a. 'atoms'), and believe it to be real. Illusion is also to believe that the Time and Space, which you appear to be in, are real; i. e. you are deluding yourself, when you think you exist in the present... !

It's a weird idea that the whole universe is just a projection in 'my'/'our' consciousness, but maybe that's true! :eek:

[80nowhere08]

The only thing we are trapped by is our idea that we can be trapped. Everything else are just details built upon that.

[cruise4]

"Mind waves" (???) or Light?

[edit]

"Mind waves" (???) or Light?

Astonishing post that was hacked, RIGHT HERE ON GLP (http://www.godlikeproductions.com/forum1/message463124/pg1)...
A:
You are confused for you have accepted the other versions of the "truth" and you think you have a sight of the big picture, but what I say dismisses huge parts of it.

There is a misconception about bloodlines....obviously, the questions that are being asked here prove that.
But there is a reason for that, and it serves an important purpose.

We manipulate this world only as far as we are allowed to by the Divine Law.
We provide you with tools and then it us up to you to determine how you use it.
Tools can be used in a maliscious way but noone is forcing you to use them that way....you are choosing yourself.
So despising the ones who provide you with the tool that you voluntarily chose to "sin" with is about you trying to camouflage your tracks.

You get what you deserve, that is how this universe works.
We do our duty, so do yours.


Q:
There is a very old saying...unrecorded in open history--"the devil doesn´t know he´s the devil...he thinks he´s God."

[cruise4]

Hi edit... I'm missing something here. Whats the relevance to that insider? post got to do with anything?

[edit]

hmm..not so much..just colors (of the rainbow, of course, cruise4)

[the_watcher]

This dude explains it beautifully.

http://video.google.co.uk/videoplay?docid=-8583321771218053615&q=itzhak+bentov&total=3&start=0&num=10&so=0&type=search&plindex=0

[cruise4]

Very cryptic, very NWO suppression type tactic. Don't photons power our cells. Why could a hologram not be made from Light as oppose to Mind waves? (watching vid).

[edit]

This dude explains it beautifully.

http://video.google.co.uk/videoplay?docid=-8583321771218053615&q=itzhak+bentov&total=3&start=0&num=10&so=0&type=search&plindex=0
http://www.cs.cmu.edu/People/fgandon/miscellaneous/japan/Image2.gif
Romaji: Nana korobi, ya oki
Literally: Seven falls, eight getting up

[cruise4]

The way of the Fool needs Application, as well as Dedication and no lack of Talent. I'm blessed.

I'm exploring the idea that matter (the hologram) is composed of a) Neutral Light, b) North Electro-Magnetic vortex force, c) South Electro-Magnetic vortex force and this equals an 'atom'.

a=nucleus, b and c = electron would be analogous, but innacurate

As the network of electromagnetic forces is increased/intertwined, complexity arises. This gives rise to the 'Sacred Geometry', and I'm thinking 'oneness' via electromagnetic force exchange throughout all 'so called atomic' structure.

No Gravity... just magnetic interaction.

Vibration or Vortex. How could you tell apart? Both would appear to oscillate wouldn't they? Maybe vibration leads to vortex. Maybe vortex is a natural result of North and south forces meeting.

What is the Soul/conciousness made of? If Light then this explains how everything has a piece of conciousness within it. And how everything could be given 'direction' to form 'shape'

As Above so below... do we not see behaviour in the heavens mirroring this? Ley Lines... holding the planet in shape? Universe expanding due to latent vortex force which 'moves' and so requires 'time'? Vortex and Black Holes? Trapping Light?

There is a certain elegance to this 'Coral Castle code broken' scenario that feels fairly compelling to my simplistic outlook. On how the hologram/illusion part works anyway.

Doubt it will last long!

Elements of that video go along with some of this. But then it goes further and breaks Light/conciousness down into factions.
Good Video...have to watch it again. Has some compelling links.

And what is the Void?

[infinitely free]

"Mind waves" (???) or Light?


Yes! There is some definite connection here!
I believe that the Bible, which refers to 'The Light was first', is/was spot on!
All light, I think is nothing more/less than Consciesness! !

[infinitely free]

It's a weird idea that the whole universe is just a projection in 'my'/'our' consciousness, but maybe that's true! :eek:

The whole of our environment is really a reflection (mirror image) of the conscious state that we are in!
Thats how i see it :)

[infinitely free]

This dude explains it beautifully.

http://video.google.co.uk/videoplay?docid=-8583321771218053615&q=itzhak+bentov&total=3&start=0&num=10&so=0&type=search&plindex=0

hi watcher,
it seems that I '... need to upgrade... Flash Player2' (or at least this is what I'm getting)!

What is the video about :)?

[Anders Lindman]

The whole of our environment is really a reflection (mirror image) of the conscious state that we are in!
Thats how i see it :)

That's a very interesting idea. The best approach is perhaps to keep the ordinary mainstream view that physical reality is a correct view BUT at the same time that it is actually consciousness which projects this whole reality into being moment by moment. That's a kind of integral approach a la Ken Wilber.

[infinitely free]

... it is actually consciousness which projects this whole reality into being moment by moment.

that sounds along the right lines :rolleyes::)

[Anders Lindman]

This dude explains it beautifully.

http://video.google.co.uk/videoplay?docid=-8583321771218053615&q=itzhak+bentov&total=3&start=0&num=10&so=0&type=search&plindex=0

I have heard about the book Stalking the Wild Pendulum before, but I haven't read it. In the video Itzhak Bentov draws a diagram of physical reality reaching up to the soul level, and then reaching up even further up to almost infinity where all consciousness becomes one. That was a brilliant explanation.

[infinitely free]

Also check this out - You may be out of a box, but are you out of all 'boxes'? (http://video.google.com/videoplay?docid=4657468305200204382&q=ansary+127&total=1&start=0&num=10&so=0&type=search&plindex=0)

At about 22:00 David talks about the awakening. It actually struck me, like an energy jolt - and I could feel this 'ball' of consciousness, shooting toward this surface...

It was Good :)

[sunyatta60]

Reality is solid, but there is no solid 'stuff' such as atoms like tiny billiard/snooker balls.

The whole point I think is this; Does an independent objective reality exist. The answer from Mystics, Philosophers and Now Physicist is overwhelmingly NO.
We are living in what can best be described as a very clever illusion. If you ask any materalist/athesit to prove the world is real, the only thing they can do is appeal to the senses. So I am usually met with asinine replies like, stick a pin in your eye, or jump of a cliff etc. Yet appealing to the senses falls foul of logical argument. This is the very same false logic Christians engage in when they say they believe in God because it is in the bible, and who wrote the bible, well God did LOL

[Anders Lindman]

Reality is solid, but there is no solid 'stuff' such as atoms like tiny billiard/snooker balls.

The whole point I think is this; Does an independent objective reality exist. The answer from Mystics, Philosophers and Now Physicist is overwhelmingly NO.
We are living in what can best be described as a very clever illusion. If you ask any materalist/athesit to prove the world is real, the only thing they can do is appeal to the senses. So I am usually met with asinine replies like, stick a pin in your eye, or jump of a cliff etc. Yet appealing to the senses falls foul of logical argument. This is the very same false logic Christians engage in when they say they believe in God because it is in the bible, and who wrote the bible, well God did LOL

Reality is interconnected in a wholeness. If I am totally disconnected to the stars in the sky I wouldn't be able to see them. So there is a oneness and in that oneness many separations exist. The separations are as real as the oneness, so there is oneness and separation at the same time. Evolution, it seems, is the moving into more and more integration of wholeness, where things are still separate yet they are all parts within me.

[infinitely free]

Reality is solid, but there is no solid 'stuff' such as atoms like tiny billiard/snooker balls.

The whole point I think is this; Does an independent objective reality exist. The answer from Mystics, Philosophers and Now Physicist is overwhelmingly NO.
We are living in what can best be described as a very clever illusion. If you ask any materalist/athesit to prove the world is real, the only thing they can do is appeal to the senses. So I am usually met with asinine replies like, stick a pin in your eye, or jump of a cliff etc. Yet appealing to the senses falls foul of logical argument. This is the very same false logic Christians engage in when they say they believe in God because it is in the bible, and who wrote the bible, well God did LOL
Hi sunyatta60,

that's an obviously Good point! Thanks for joining in :)
I am at moment listening to the Outside the Box interview - David is talking about the 'mind-altering' experiences!

But yeah, how do we know that the 5 senses are real?

In addition to that I want to mention the fact that so many people have defied solid objects, and in doing so they have escaped from situations, which are considered lethal. Doesn't that prove tha Consciousness rules?

[infinitely free]

Reality is interconnected in a wholeness. If I am totally disconnected to the stars in the sky I wouldn't be able to see them. .

Hi,

I'd like to make a point here - You look at the night sky, and yes you see the stars! You see the light of these 'stars', as they are called. How do you actually know if these stars are not You?
Aren't you looking at your very own consciousness?? :rolleyes:

So, no you're not disconnected from these 'stars'..., but, what are these stars.
Well Anders, I believe they are you, yourself. :)

P. S.
These are very complex points, and I couldn't explain them - not as well as David Icke does!

[the_watcher]

hi watcher,
it seems that I '... need to upgrade... Flash Player2' (or at least this is what I'm getting)!

What is the video about :)?

Hey Mr free.
The video is about Itzhak Bentov, (id never heard of him before) discussing the fact that the human central nervous system is where we get our sense of reality from i.e the senses. So, as we evolve as a speices, (the CNS included) we will be able to percive a greater range of frequencies, and therefore different realities. Well, not "different" realities, but rather more of the infintine reality.
He also talks about the nature of reality being a hologram, just like in Michael Talbots "Holographic Universe".

Its a very interesting watch. Hes one of the most facinating, insightful people i have ever watched. Everything he said seemed to strike a chord.

Have you managed to watch it yet

[infinitely free]

Have you managed to watch it yet

Nope. I dont think I've got the necessary illusory software, to watch it!:D

[Anders Lindman]

Hi,

I'd like to make a point here - You look at the night sky, and yes you see the stars! You see the light of these 'stars', as they are called. How do you actually know if these stars are not You?
Aren't you looking at your very own consciousness?? :rolleyes:

So, no you're not disconnected from these 'stars'..., but, what are these stars.
Well Anders, I believe they are you, yourself. :)

P. S.
These are very complex points, and I couldn't explain them - not as well as David Icke does!

Yes! The stars are a part of me. Separate from my personality yet not separate from my consciousness.

This is a wonderful short clip explaining the main idea:

YouTube - Broadcast Yourself.

[sunyatta60]

Yes! The stars are a part of me. Separate from my personality yet not separate from my consciousness.

That is the point I was making Everything is connected to everything else we live in a symbiotic Universe. It is Consciousness that is doing the Creating and the experiencing. The point about the senses lying to us is a valid one I feel, Neuroscientist took a wrong turn years ago and now Scientists like Lipton and Sheldrake are back on course. Consciousness doe not arise in the Brain, it comes through the Brain which is why we do not have Free will. No one is home in the brain to make the choices. Further evidence that what we call life/reality is a clever illusion.

[sunyatta60]

So there is a oneness and in that oneness many separations exist. The separations are as real as the oneness,

Separation is dualism and it is False. Einstein called it An Optical Delusion of Consciousness. A number of Philosophers have ably deconstructed the 'Cogitio'

You have always been one with the Buddha, so do not pretend you can ATTAIN to this oneness by various practices.
Huang Po, "Zen Teaching of Huang Po"

[Anders Lindman]

Yes! The stars are a part of me. Separate from my personality yet not separate from my consciousness.

That is the point I was making Everything is connected to everything else we live in a symbiotic Universe. It is Consciousness that is doing the Creating and the experiencing. The point about the senses lying to us is a valid one I feel, Neuroscientist took a wrong turn years ago and now Scientists like Lipton and Sheldrake are back on course. Consciousness doe not arise in the Brain, it comes through the Brain which is why we do not have Free will. No one is home in the brain to make the choices. Further evidence that what we call life/reality is a clever illusion.

I have started to shift my perspective. For example, now when I walk around it feels more like the 'outside world' and my 'physical body' are actually not separate. :eek: I can imagine a similar shift of perspective going from believing that the earth was still to a rotating earth.

My body is so to speak not only the physical human body, but also includes the 'outside world'.

[Anders Lindman]

So there is a oneness and in that oneness many separations exist. The separations are as real as the oneness,

Separation is dualism and it is False. Einstein called it An Optical Delusion of Consciousness. A number of Philosophers have ably deconstructed the 'Cogitio'

You have always been one with the Buddha, so do not pretend you can ATTAIN to this oneness by various practices.
Huang Po, "Zen Teaching of Huang Po"

Like one side of a coin is different from the other side of the coin, my physical human body is different from the outside world, yet there are just different sides of the same thing. :)

[sunyatta60]

Hi Anders
You have got it, everything outside of you is a projection from your Unconscious Mind which Jung called God. I seem to have lost the post about Consciousness being the King which is what the word Christ really alludes to.

[Anders Lindman]

Hi Anders
You have got it, everything outside of you is a projection from your Unconscious Mind which Jung called God. I seem to have lost the post about Consciousness being the King which is what the word Christ really alludes to.

I have come to suspect that in order for me to have harmony within, I need to be in harmony with the whole world. That would explain why it is so difficult to feel at ease with the world, because all of the world's mess is reflected inside me and vice versa that the world is a reflection of me.

[seer74]

There is no thing as real solid physical matter. Solid matter is very real, but it's not really solid. It only is experienced as solid.

If this reality is a Matrix, then if we would break out of the Matrix, then reality would still not be solid. So breaking out of a Matrix is an illusion. No matter how many Matrices you would break out of you would never come to a world with solid atoms.

the world we live in is a Matrix of illusion. For example, the illusion that matter is solid. When one breaks out of the illusion, no there will still be no solid matter, as you say. The difference would be you will not be subject to the illusion. There are indeed ilusions to this state of consciousness, and as such there is a matrix. When one is no longer bound by these illusions one has broken free, this would not be an illusion. You are right though, there still won't be solid particles. NOR the illusion of solid particles.

[seer74]

Breaking out of the matrix means breaking out of illusions ....not into a world of solid matter.