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winstonsmith
10-11-2007, 12:22 PM
Anyone use this? Have you noticed positive changes in your life since doing so?

whale
10-11-2007, 12:24 PM
http://www.whale.to/b/orgonite.html

[The name orgonite was first coined by Karl Welz to describe a mixture of non-organic (metal shavings) and organic (fibreglass resin) materials, the combination of which produces (generates) orgone energy (possibly the same or similar to life force energy, chi, or prana), and will also eat DOR; a discovery of Dr. Wilhelm Reich. Don & Carol Croft invented 'tactical' orgonite devices called orgone generators (as well as adding crystals to enhance their effect) named the Holy Hand Grenade (HHG), Towerbuster (TB) and Cloudbuster (CB) to deal with Chemtrails, HAARP, & Death towers among many other applications (Laozu is opening earth energy vortices with TBs), as well as inventing an orgonite zapper, and energy weapons to deal with the dark side attacks. The best introduction is Don's book: The Life Etheric With Carol Croft. Read Don's comments about ingredients here before buying or making any yourself. Recommended vendors are listed below, along with tutorials, forums (Don's forum is Etheric Warriors where you can read his early Adventures), and some articles on how and where to distribute orgonite (called gifting). The power of orgone energy in combating the ruling Nazi parasites, can be gleaned from the way they murdered Dr Reich, and burnt 6 tons of his books, journals and papers (ref). To see how they control information on orgone see the present Wikipedia page, an earlier page was deleted, as was a Don Croft page. See: Wikipedia, Assassinations.]

logic bomb
10-11-2007, 12:44 PM
Yes.. Most well made pieces give off a nice energy. I could tell you some mad stories with my orgonite experiences but you wouldn't believe me.

lb

malvern
10-11-2007, 12:44 PM
nice thread... people need to see as much as poss about how they spend our money on methods of control and greed against us..... this subject needs to get public, they should not be doing this shit for any reason.


freedom is yours :)

winstonsmith
10-11-2007, 12:45 PM
Yes.. Most well made pieces give off a nice energy. I could tell you some mad stories with my orgonite experiences but you wouldn't believe me.

lb

I probably would... Please tell...

i_am
10-11-2007, 12:57 PM
We have two threads here started within minutes of each other, in the same forum.. I have merged the two so as not to detract from each other :)

logic bomb
10-11-2007, 01:02 PM
Phone lines cut and electrical sabotage behind 2 locked doors, government operatives taking photos of the CB in my garden, low flying helicopter spotlighting my back yard at 3 in the morning for over half an hour waking up the whole street, visits from astral entities, attempted astral/etheric abductions, sylphs coming out on mass after/during gifting missions, helicopters following us during gifting missions, people exhibiting weird behaviour in the prescence of orgonite, half my old apartment block moving out within 6 weeks of me starting pouring.. I could go on but I think you get the picture.

Anyone who is sceptical, well thats your perogative and I don't care if you mock me.

lb

stickylolly
10-11-2007, 01:07 PM
Hi Logic Bomb,

help us then .... were did you get your Orgonite or how did you make it ? ... how small/large is it ? .... come on more info ... this is sooo intresting !;)

chris
10-11-2007, 01:11 PM
Anyone use this? Have you noticed positive changes in your life since doing so?

Yes and no.

Over rated in my opinion.

devin
10-11-2007, 01:17 PM
logic bomb where did you buy your orgone and how do you have it all set up?

I have 2 pendants that I've had for about 2 weeks and I notice a change but it's not huge so I'll have to agree with Chris for the time being.

niftygifter
10-11-2007, 01:20 PM
This definitely works and you can do so much to change things around you.

There are several vendors in the UK, it is easy to make and it does work.

Check my Avatar name??

I am also a Reiki Master and utilise this in my healings.
Other Masters are amazed at the energies given off from this and I have several requests to make some for them.

Some excellent visual results can be found here, if you havent already found them via the top Whale site:rolleyes:

http://orgonegifters.aceboard.com/277960-5718-590-0-aura.htm
http://www.orgone-art.com/anglais/visibleeffect.htm

Nifty:D

logic bomb
10-11-2007, 01:28 PM
There is plenty of info on the web..

www.warriormatrix.com
www.loveforgifting.com

John Whale (above) is one of the best sellers in the UK. Don't buy it from ebay.

There is also a big thread on it in the "what can we do" section.. do a search.
Ideally make your own, very easy. For some reason I feel the energy with much greater intensity if I hold it in my hands as opposed to wearing it on my body but that is an individual thing I guess.

TBs are 70p from John at http://www.whale.to/b/orgone1.html.

I don't know him and I don't get any free ones for promoting him.

lb

veritas2007
10-11-2007, 01:49 PM
Here's some links I came across a little while ago which may be of use to some:

Chemtrail Buster
http://mirrors.wordsforgood.org/educate-yourself.org/ct/goodbyects10jan02.shtml

HHg
http://mirrors.wordsforgood.org/educate-yourself.org/dc/HHGconstruction10jan02.shtml

Shop on Educate Yourself
http://mirrors.wordsforgood.org/educate-yourself.org/dc/orgonegenindex.shtml

I keep meaning to buy/make an OG. Must get off my arse and do it!

whale
10-11-2007, 01:54 PM
http://www.whale.to/b/images/cbs/icke.jpg

Icke with a Cloudbuster:)

rossus
10-11-2007, 01:54 PM
Yes and no.

Over rated in my opinion.
me too.
i used orgonite long time ago.

got some effects (it was probably the power of my mind, not of those pieces of orgonite),
soon realized the claimed effects was not what i get from it...
but i still used it for 2 months anyway to give it a chance,

then i got bored with it & threw it away.

didn't want to give it to someone,
because i think they're better of believing in themselves than in some crystals and orgonite.
Icke with a Cloudbuster:)
because he tried it doesn't mean he likes it and because he likes it doesn't mean it really works.
warriormatrix.com
tried to sell my 2 pieces of orgonite there for cheap,
but the owner(s) who already got his business there didn't allow because they don't want competition.

i think many of those orgonite people don't give a f*ck about helping people or making the world a better place,
they just interested in business. and many people fall for it, because their belief in orgonite make them get effects...
but they might as well believe in "the good in themselves" instead of the good in a piece of orgonite.
or simply stop believing in evil entities, then you don't need to protect yourself against it...

you don't fix the problem by fighting one fantasy with another,
but by stopping to fantasize.

my opinion: orgonite is a ripoff designed to make money and to trap people in false-belief system.
make em believe they're actually helping the planet or "fighting the new world order", but all they're doing is creating fantasies.
a classic case of new age-religion.

maybe i'm wrong ;)

whale
10-11-2007, 02:43 PM
maybe i'm wrong ;)

Yes, you are wrong. This is account by a remarkable sensitive on opening up earth vortices wth orgonite http://www.materiaetherica.com/heavenandearth.html

Also evidence of healing black lines http://www.whale.to/y/black_lines.html

and I have lost count of the number of people who can feel the energy

Plus the evidence in water http://www.whale.to/b/gifting_effects.html

Plus I have worked with 2 sensitives who can see and feel energy, POR, and DOR

There isn't anything else that is going to kill the dark side, apart from etheric war

unless you have any other suggestions, and tell us what you are doing to make the world a better place? Trashing orgonite isn't exactly a good calling card, now is it? I have spent 6 years taking apart vaccinationa nd the medical monopoly. Apart from years investigating spiritual matters, so that new age jibe is laughable.

the money angle just doesn't work as Don doesn't make any money from it and you can make it all yourself anyway.

"i think many of those orgonite people don't give a f*ck about helping people or making the world a better place."

LOL. So much for your insight. 6 years work and saved thousands of kids from vaccine damage and death http://www.whale.to/index.html

I'd like to say what I think of you but I don't want to lower myself.

PS, you are doing the work of the dark side, unknowing or not

chris
10-11-2007, 03:05 PM
logic bomb where did you buy your orgone and how do you have it all set up?

I have 2 pendants that I've had for about 2 weeks and I notice a change but it's not huge so I'll have to agree with Chris for the time being.

me too.
i used orgonite long time ago.

got some effects (it was probably the power of my mind, not of those pieces of orgonite),
soon realized the claimed effects was not what i get from it...

Yes, I am not saying they do nothing but I am saying they are over rated. The only effect I got was just about the same as though I bought a crystal of similar size.

When I bought my huge amethyst crystal, I had OBE's for weeks afterwards and I thought I'd get much the same effect from the orgone but hardly anything.

I think the only reason why the conspiracy world likes orgone while classifying other very similar things newage is because there is a conspiracy surrounding Wilhelms Reich's life. Let's face it, he was a very unhealthy man, it's not like you can blindly believe he was assassinated when its far more plausible to believe he died from a heart attack.

devin
10-11-2007, 03:11 PM
Yes, I am not saying they do nothing but I am saying they are over rated. The only effect I got was just about the same as though I bought a crystal of similar size.

When I bought my huge amethyst crystal, I had OBE's for weeks afterwards and I thought I'd get much the same effect from the orgone but hardly anything.

I think the only reason why the conspiracy world likes orgone while classifying other very similar things newage is because there is a conspiracy surrounding Wilhelms Reich's life. Let's face it, he was a very unhealthy man, it's not like you can blindly believe he was assassinated when its far more plausible to believe he died from a heart attack.

tell me more about the amethyst crystal. how big is it? where do you put it? do you still have OBEs?

I bought myself three amethyst crystals a few months a go. 2 I put in my own orgonite and one I put under my pillow... I only had a short lucid dream from it though.

chris
10-11-2007, 03:22 PM
tell me more about the amethyst crystal. how big is it? where do you put it? do you still have OBEs?

I bought myself three amethyst crystals a few months a go. 2 I put in my own orgonite and one I put under my pillow... I only had a short lucid dream from it though.

Mine is shaped like this, except mine looks deeper (about half a foot deep) and is about 1 1/2 to 2 feet tall. Cost me like £350, I saw it the day before and I had a dream about it to buy it so I did (pretty good advertisement).

http://www.bellasoulgifts.com/Connect%20With%20Spirit_files/amethystcathedral.jpg

They seem to absorb and store sunlight, in the Summer I try and put it in the sun and it really powers it up, however it's extremely heavy and too fragile to move often.

If I were you, just try putting your one's in the sun and then close to where you sleep at night.

Traditionally made mineral alchemical elixirs are the best and most long term solution if you can get your hands on them.

devin
10-11-2007, 03:34 PM
Mine is shaped like this, except mine looks deeper (about half a foot deep) and is about 1 1/2 to 2 feet tall. Cost me like £350, I saw it the day before and I had a dream about it to buy it so I did (pretty good advertisement).

They seem to absorb and store sunlight, in the Summer I try and put it in the sun and it really powers it up, however it's extremely heavy and too fragile to move often.

If I were you, just try putting your one's in the sun and then close to where you sleep at night.

Traditionally made mineral alchemical elixirs are the best and most long term solution if you can get your hands on them.


The person I bought one of my orgonite pendants from told me to put my crystal in the sun when I am not using it as well.

Where can I get more information on mineral alchemical elixirs?

Also have you (or anyone reading this) known of anyone who has built a personal pyramid?

whale
10-11-2007, 03:47 PM
"Let's face it, he was a very unhealthy man, it's not like you can blindly believe he was assassinated when its far more plausible to believe he died from a heart attack."

Plausable to whome? It would have been more plausable if they hadn't hauled him off to jail and burnt 6 ton of his books. And given the well documented assassination or attempted killing of numerous other medical people, it would be unlikely they wouldn't kill him. Although the motive was more likely what he uncovered regarding mind control

And I haven't ever seen any mention of orgonite being recommnded for spiritual work, just better sleep and dreams.

Orgonite is for eating DOR mainly which it does better than anything I can find. And DOR is the main control tool of the reptoids, death towers etc, and they hate POR.

rossus
10-11-2007, 03:59 PM
"i think many of those orgonite people don't give a f*ck about helping people or making the world a better place."

LOL. So much for your insight. 6 years work and saved thousands of kids from vaccine damage and death http://www.whale.to/index.html
i did say many, not all.

danielg
10-11-2007, 04:29 PM
Best book I've read on accumulating orgone...
The Orgone Accumulator Handbook: Construction Plans, Experimental Use and Protection Against Toxic Energy: Amazon.co.uk: James DeMeo: 9780962185502: Books@@AMEPARAM@@http://ecx.images-amazon.com/images/I/51P1G0TJ65L.@@AMEPARAM@@51P1G0TJ65L

The orgone pyramids made of resin and metal don't work from what I've experienced... not really suprised though as they aren't built in alternating layers of metalic and organic layers as Reich taught.

logic bomb
10-11-2007, 04:33 PM
Lets keep this thread on topic and out of the rant room.

I'm energy-sensitive, clair-sentient call it what you will... and the majority of Orgonite expands my "auric egg" when I pick it up, it also energises certain chakra depending on the additives used, if no additives are used, IE just the xtal core then it "enlivens" the interaction between my third and fourth chakras.

Quite amazing that something so simple could produce such an effect, I wouldn't believe it myself if I didn't have my own experiences and observations. Crystals do something similar, energy wise, but they can't transform DOR like orgonite can and besides orgonite is much stronger.

Just because someone can't feel it doesn't mean its not working. Not everyone is energy sensitive (yet)

lb

chris
10-11-2007, 05:25 PM
"Let's face it, he was a very unhealthy man, it's not like you can blindly believe he was assassinated when its far more plausible to believe he died from a heart attack."

Plausable to whome? It would have been more plausable if they hadn't hauled him off to jail and burnt 6 ton of his books. And given the well documented assassination or attempted killing of numerous other medical people, it would be unlikely they wouldn't kill him. Although the motive was more likely what he uncovered regarding mind control

All I am saying is that if your targeted by TPTB you should stay on top of your health or else only cranks will martyr you.

And I haven't ever seen any mention of orgonite being recommnded for spiritual work, just better sleep and dreams.

Well I sleep like a baby and dream like a child so that might be where I'm slipping up.

Orgonite is for eating DOR mainly which it does better than anything I can find. And DOR is the main control tool of the reptoids, death towers etc, and they hate POR.

Guns, disease and lies are the main control tools of the reptoids.

dinachick
10-11-2007, 05:27 PM
I just downloaded this book and highly recommend it to anyone who is interested in this subject. This book has alot of focus on the African continent gifting expeditions which are fascinating to read. One of the website offering this is here. http://http://www.lulu.com/content/1145986

If you can't access Lulu then just go to Georg's website http://http://www.orgonise-africa.net/

whale
10-11-2007, 06:52 PM
Best book I've read on accumulating orgone...
http://www.amazon.co.uk/Orgone-Accumulator-Handbook-Construction-Experimental/dp/0962185507/ref=sr_1_1/203-8523445-6344748?ie=UTF8&s=books&qid=1194711886&sr=8-1

The orgone pyramids made of resin and metal don't work from what I've experienced... not really suprised though as they aren't built in alternating layers of metalic and organic layers as Reich taught.

Nonsense, those HHGs work a treat, 3 around a cell phone tower remove all DOR. You are saying orgonite doesn't work, basically, as resin metal mix is orgonite. What exactly were you trying to get them to do? Don't work at what?

whale
10-11-2007, 07:00 PM
"Guns, disease and lies are the main control tools of the reptoids."

I have done a bit on disease as control http://www.whale.to/a/fear_dis.html
and lies http://www.whale.to/vaccines/ploy5.html
Fear is the main control tool http://www.whale.to/vaccines/ploy6.html

However DOR is the main one, and if it wasn't for orgonite we would all be fried or controlled by the death towers http://www.whale.to/a/electrical_h.html

Guns owned by the people in the USA are the only thing that has stopped martial law and a complete takeover.

and Big Brother, the Master Tyrant, is a reptilian at core, and they are allergic to POR.

If anyone has any evidence I am wrong them please produce it. ;)

chris
10-11-2007, 08:33 PM
"Guns, disease and lies are the main control tools of the reptoids."

I have done a bit on disease as control http://www.whale.to/a/fear_dis.html
and lies http://www.whale.to/vaccines/ploy5.html
Fear is the main control tool http://www.whale.to/vaccines/ploy6.html

However DOR is the main one, and if it wasn't for orgonite we would all be fried or controlled by the death towers http://www.whale.to/a/electrical_h.html

Guns owned by the people in the USA are the only thing that has stopped martial law and a complete takeover.

and Big Brother, the Master Tyrant, is a reptilian at core, and they are allergic to POR.

If anyone has any evidence I am wrong them please produce it. ;)

One of my orgone generators said it stops chemtrails, it doesn't. You are saying they are good, I am saying they aren't and especially not at the front of the fight against the nwo when there are truth DVD's being handed out for free, people supporting Ron Paul and the general spreading of the truth.

I love guns by the way...

whale
11-11-2007, 08:28 AM
"One of my orgone generators said it stops chemtrails, it doesn't. You are saying they are good, I am saying they aren't and especially not at the front of the fight against the nwo when there are truth DVD's being handed out for free, people supporting Ron Paul and the general spreading of the truth."

They can speak?

DVDs never did didly squat, you watch them and go back to sleep. If Paul was going to do anything he would be assassinated http://www.whale.to/b/killings_h.html Now wouldn't he.

If orgonite works, as it does, then they would make every effort to suppress that fact, which was why Don ended up with an invitation only forum http://www.ethericwarriors.com Now wouldn't they ;);)

I have proven it works just with the water photos. And I know 2 sensitives, plus 2 psychics personally. One has just finished his China trip opening vortices with TBs http://materiaetherica.com/heavenandearth/China%20(October%20of%202007).html#Index

Read it and see a real Truth Warrior at work. Not one of your couch DVD watchers. I did watch the Wilder DVD, but only to get targets for orgonite raids

cheers

dinachick
11-11-2007, 09:04 AM
I'm jumping in here in defense of whale. I wrote about this in the "How specifically will we win" thread here.

According to the Agenda we should already have had a third world war started, and the masses are already supposed to have been rounded up, and many many hundreds of thousands were supposed to have died off from phase 2 of the chemtrail program. Phase 1 was weakening of the liver, spleen and lungs and general immune system by chemtrails. ie SARS, Chronic Fatigue Syndrome etc. Do you see this happening now, or anytime in the near future? No, and it will never be carried out regardless of what Alex Jones' Endgame movie stated.

Suitcase nukes and so called cell towers, underground base shenanigans and negative energy portals all require DOR energy ( deadly orgone energy ). Many many people have turned the DOR into POR (Positive Orgone Energy) by simple organic tactical field pieces known as orgonite. A dollar a piece towerbuster busts the millions of dollars cell tower, and this works on the etheric level, in the 4th dimension, not the third. Unless you can see the energy fields, you may not notice how this works. An earthpipe shuts down an underground base, as do HHG's ( holy hand grenades) correct a negative spinning vortex/portal. Portals allow off-world entry and these can be shut with orgonite.
The dolphins and whales are carrying the orgonite thrown offshore to the undersea haarp arrays to bust them and are consciously cooperating with us to do this.

It's all about changing the energy field as these parasites and their equipement all require the dead negative energy to operate, and because they have been unsuccessful so far, they are not going to win, and they know it. They are losing and we will still see some shit hit the fan so to speak before they are finished. Watch out for Hillary. We can't avoid Reptoids just because they seem so foreign to us. I don't have proof and have never seen one in his/her true suit but I do believe they exist because those beings running the show have no empathy or conscience. It is beyond their understanding to know about oneness and love of all and all that jazz, even though they are brilliant. The darkness doesn't eat the little candle flame in a room, the little candle lights up the dark room, so that to me is love ALWAYS will win, eventually.

I believe we have some off world help in the fact that the orgonite information was made available in the first place, and that the people ( besides Wilhelm Reich ) who helped to get this grassroots etheric fight in motion are still alive despite numerous attempts.

Why is it that doom and gloom people will believe but not believe that there is actually something here that is working!

In Marciniak's book Bringers of the Dawn the Pleidians spoke about this grassroots movement, and they meant orgonite!

winstonsmith
11-11-2007, 09:44 AM
In Marciniak's book Bringers of the Dawn the Pleidians spoke about this grassroots movement, and they meant orgonite!

Agreed!

niftygifter
11-11-2007, 10:13 AM
People
This stuff does work, please believe me.
Quite frankly, there is no one on the planet making a serious living out of orgonite, in fact, most vendors actively encourage you to start making it yourself or generally use any profits they may make, to buy more resin to make more orgonite, the main goal is to combat the NWO not rip people off.
Put that into the perspective please.

It works on an "etheric level" not always seen or felt by persons "non-sensitive" to energies. The more you handle it or work with it the more you begin to "feel" it.

Luckily there are lots of people worldwide and the UK who are already distributing orgonite and we do in fact have a "positive energy canopy" over the UK partly because of this.

You will be amazed at how many people, working quietly, have neutralised loads of towers throughout this country and the planet.
Look at the energy ORB from a single pipe Cloudbster here:
http://www.warriormatrix.com/about3630.html

There is an article here about the "strange happenings at Lake Geneva". Scientists are baffled at the sudden quality of the lake water, it has never been so clear for decades, why? Read the report.
http://www.warriormatrix.com/about3804.html


Placed around the home it "protects", worn personally it "protects".
Everyone I have given it to (most total disbelievers) have come back to me, not believing the results. Incredible dreaming and wonderful sleep.OK if you are getting that already, thats fine.
Sometimes it can get too powerful and you just need to move it away from you a bit.
Check the earlier links and look at the visual effects on water and on plants, look at how Reich cured people of Cancers by enclosing them in a Orgone chamber, and most importantly, look at how the Governments destroyed Reich and all his research. Just like the scientist that discovered Laetrile, destroyed physically and internationally. That to me is a very positive indication that this stuff is a threat to the NWO.
That and the fact that the Etheric Warriors Website has been attacked more times than I can remember.



Nifty:D

monkfish
11-11-2007, 10:21 AM
Can someone please quickly and simpley how orgonite works,what it does and where i can get one.
Thanks

winstonsmith
11-11-2007, 10:30 AM
Can someone please quickly and simpley how orgonite works,what it does and where i can get one.
Thanks

What is Orgonite?
http://www.orgonite.info/what-is-orgonite.html

niftygifter
11-11-2007, 10:39 AM
Quartz when compressed pulses (you probably have a piece in your watch right now).

Mix up resin with metal shavings and place in a mould (fairy cake tin for example)
Put the crystal into the mix (in the middle)
As the resin cures it contracts, contraction places pressure on the crystal and makes it pulse.
Read about Reich for the effects of Orgone energy on Whale.

Can be bought from here:
http://www.whale.to/b/orgone1.html

and here
http://www.orgonitemoksha.co.uk/productsmain.htm

And loads of others.

Videos on how to make it here:

http://www.orgoniteinfo.com/


Nifty:D

chris
11-11-2007, 11:51 AM
DVDs never did didly squat, you watch them and go back to sleep.

Bollocks. They've woken most of the people up, have the orgone gnomes done better?


If Paul was going to do anything he would be assassinated http://www.whale.to/b/killings_h.html Now wouldn't he.

BOLLOCKS. If they assassinate him, that would be the best thing they could ever do for the truth movement (not that I want it to happen). Anyway it's not even about him being president, it's the fact that all his new supporters are being educated to the banking cartel very quickly.

veritas2007
11-11-2007, 12:26 PM
Quartz when compressed pulses (you probably have a piece in your watch right now).

Mix up resin with metal shavings and place in a mould (fairy cake tin for example)
Put the crystal into the mix (in the middle)
As the resin cures it contracts, contraction places pressure on the crystal and makes it pulse.
Read about Reich for the effects of Orgone energy on Whale.

Can be bought from here:
http://www.whale.to/b/orgone1.html

and here
http://www.orgonitemoksha.co.uk/productsmain.htm

And loads of others.

Videos on how to make it here:

http://www.orgoniteinfo.com/


Nifty:D

Some excellent links, thanks.

whale
11-11-2007, 01:02 PM
Orgonite sure sorts the wheat from the chaff ;)

Places like rumormill news and rense and hoagland are ALL GOVERNMENT OPERATIONS. FACT. All of them. ALL. ANd they are all liars. None of their predictions or so-called expose's have ever come up with the real play or realities. None of them. not a one. None. http://www.whale.to/b/dor83.htm

When anyone calls into Alex Jones' radio talkshow and mentions Croft or orgonite he savages them, cuts them off and changes the subject. Typical conspiracy sites won't allow discussion of solutions and anyone can see that the info we offer simply sweetens anyone's work and doesn't threaten anyone but the bad guys and the insincere."--Don Croft

This is funny: when Jeff Rense started vigorously attacking orgonite cloudbusters on his popular, syndicated radio talk show for a couple of months almost three years ago, the number of cloudbusters jumped dramatically, then he abruptly stopped mentioning it. I bet those shows are expunged from his archives. Orgonite cloudbusters are entirely harmless, of course, as many thousands of people know, firsthand. http://www.whale.to/b/croft45.html

devin
11-11-2007, 01:14 PM
The darkness doesn't eat the little candle flame in a room, the little candle lights up the dark room, so that to me is love ALWAYS will win, eventually.

What about black holes that suck in all the light? I'm not trying to be gloom and doom but my experience with playing games like basketball (and this life is certainly a game) is that overconfidence is the worst thing ever.

I am not one to dismiss things so easily. I still have faith in orgone but it saddens me that I cannot see the energy fields you people talk about. Until I can see them I will not go around gifting.

Whale, the DVDs have certainly played a part in waking people up. Taking a stand for one thing (in this case orgonite) does not require you to put down everything else. Is there a DVD on orgonite by the way?

Infinite I
11-11-2007, 03:47 PM
Ive been convinced of orgonite and I make it and gift my area, the first few pours I done there were things trying to intimidate me like entitys in my room I swear was crazy. I mentioned this on an orgonite site and people said thats what theyll do when its first curing to put you off, try and intimidate you but once its cured theyll go away cos they cant handle the POR. Also now this is the most ridiculous thing ive ever seen, the day after I done a big gifting run the amount of chemtrails all over my area was ridiculous, criss-crossing all day until the sky was covered. I asked on an orgonite site and was told, yes thats what theyll do after a big run hit you with the chemtrails. Someone said also that they have the technology to pick up the energy sigs of the orgonite so thats how they knew to spray extra that day. Also when I was gifting and the day afetr there were sylphs everywhere!! Im not energy sensitive really but that was prooof for me that something was going on and certain things didnt like it. And to say that its a money making scam is a joke people on orgonite sites do encourage you to make it, and as someone said the money they do make they put back into making orgonite and gifting.

danielg
11-11-2007, 04:14 PM
Originally Posted by danielg View Post
Best book I've read on accumulating orgone...
http://www.amazon.co.uk/Orgone-Accum...4711886&sr=8-1

The orgone pyramids made of resin and metal don't work from what I've experienced... not really suprised though as they aren't built in alternating layers of metalic and organic layers as Reich taught.
Nonsense, those HHGs work a treat, 3 around a cell phone tower remove all DOR. You are saying orgonite doesn't work, basically, as resin metal mix is orgonite. What exactly were you trying to get them to do? Don't work at what?
Orgone accumulators work as they are capacitors of alternating layers metal and organic material which create a charge. HHGs? wheres the scientific method, or principle? I have a self built accumulator and two HHGs from Global Tribe so I know the contrast, accumulators work, HHGs are placebos/ pseudo science.

logic bomb
11-11-2007, 04:38 PM
HHGs are placebos/ pseudo science.

No they are not, they work just fine.

lb

logic bomb
11-11-2007, 04:45 PM
http://www.davidicke.com/forum/showthread.php?t=451

pleasuredome
11-11-2007, 05:24 PM
i made some HHG and TBs in the summer. they do give off an energy for sure, imo. i placed a HHG under my bed, and i just couldnt get to sleep. felt a little strange because of it. when i removed it, i got off to sleep just fine.

TBs are useful in that if there are areas of your house that you dont feel comfortable about (ie ghosts etc), place one in those locations and you will definately notice the difference.

whale
11-11-2007, 09:20 PM
I still have faith in orgone but it saddens me that I cannot see the energy fields you people talk about. Until I can see them I will not go around gifting.

I can't see them. Pretty feeble excuse not to gift.

Icke obvioulsy isn't taken with Orgonite, here is a recent newsletter on Chemtrails and elctrosmog with no mention of Orgonite at all, 1 year or so after being given a coudbuster http://www.whale.to/b/newsletter.html

Work that out, gifters.

devin
11-11-2007, 10:11 PM
I can't see them. Pretty feeble excuse not to gift.

Pretty feeble way of fighting the NWO.

whale
11-11-2007, 10:25 PM
the day after I done a big gifting run the amount of chemtrails all over my area was ridiculous, criss-crossing all day until the sky was covered. I asked on an orgonite site and was told, yes thats what theyll do after a big run hit you with the chemtrails.

After I gifted an underground base they did 2 traintracks right over my house (and I am not in a designated flight path) and the whole sky was covered with them http://www.whale.to/b/scammonden_dam_underground_base.html

Pretty feeble way of fighting the NWO.

Yeah, you just sit back and watch DVDs :D:D and let us get on with it :D

HHGs are placebos/ pseudo science.

Typical term of the Elite http://www.whale.to/a/pseudoscience_h.html

TBs are useful in that if there are areas of your house that you dont feel comfortable about (ie ghosts etc), place one in those locations and you will definately notice the difference.

Yes, done that a few times and had reported back plenty of times a marked improvement, also for improving balck ley lines which seem to attract negative entities.

devin
11-11-2007, 10:44 PM
After I gifted an underground base they did 2 traintracks right over my house (and I am not in a designated flight path) and the whole sky was covered with them http://www.whale.to/b/scammonden_dam_underground_base.html

Pretty feeble way of fighting the NWO.

Yeah, you just sit back and watch DVDs :D:D and let us get on with it :D

HHGs are placebos/ pseudo science.

Typical term of the Elite http://www.whale.to/a/pseudoscience_h.html

TBs are useful in that if there are areas of your house that you dont feel comfortable about (ie ghosts etc), place one in those locations and you will definately notice the difference.

Yes, done that a few times and had reported back plenty of times a marked improvement, also for improving balck ley lines which seem to attract negative entities.

I have seen so many people talking on the internet, for all the world to see, how they are day by day defeating the "darkside" by certain things they do (placing orgonite) and yet all the darkside does to them is fly airplanes and helicopters over their houses, taps their phones, deletes files from their harddrives,etc... lol! Is it really that simple? To defeat an organization that has supposedly ruled this planet for eons and here we come armed with our orgonite (forget the inner work) and we defeat the ALMIGHTY NWO! Yay!

rossus
11-11-2007, 11:26 PM
I have seen so many people talking on the internet, for all the world to see, how they are day by day defeating the "darkside" by certain things they do (placing orgonite) and yet all the darkside does to them is fly airplanes and helicopters over their houses, taps their phones, deletes files from their harddrives,etc... lol! Is it really that simple? To defeat an organization that has supposedly ruled this planet for eons and here we come armed with our orgonite (forget the inner work) and we defeat the ALMIGHTY NWO! Yay!
exactly.

there are many people who claim to have paranormal experiences with "evil entities" or "bad energy"...
i used to feel i was surrounded by "bad energy" myself, that's why i bought orgonite one (or two?) years ago.

but soon i realized, that i'm not surrounded by negative energy.. therefor i don't need to protect myself from it.
the belief, that i was surrounded by negative energy... made me feel like i was.

i know, that by believing "orgonite works against the bad energy"... it can seem like it really works,
but it's better to simply stop believing in bad energy... then there's no need for any orgonite at all.

i think to simply stop believing in "evil" surrounding you,
is less of a mindfuck than fighting a war that only exist in your imagination.

devin
12-11-2007, 02:57 AM
exactly.

there are many people who claim to have paranormal experiences with "evil entities" or "bad energy"...
i used to feel i was surrounded by "bad energy" myself, that's why i bought orgonite one (or two?) years ago.

but soon i realized, that i'm not surrounded by negative energy.. therefor i don't need to protect myself from it.
the belief, that i was surrounded by negative energy... made me feel like i was.

i know, that by believing "orgonite works against the bad energy"... it can seem like it really works,
but it's better to simply stop believing in bad energy... then there's no need for any orgonite at all.

i think to simply stop believing in "evil" surrounding you,
is less of a mindfuck than fighting a war that only exist in your imagination.

I see a lot of the orgonite gang put down new age teachings. I would take new age teachings any day over orgonite for new age teachings teach about the power of the mind whereas the orgonite folks believe in the power of resin, metal, and crystals. I'm going to start a thread defending certain New Age teachings because this shit is getting out of hand. Maybe orgonite does help with energy to a degree but I have a hard time believing that the NWO really gives a fuck about people planting orgonite all over the place. are they just going to leave their highly advanced weaponry on the shelves during all of this?

woghd
12-11-2007, 04:17 AM
Recipe for a tower buster:

1. Cut a hole in the fence.
2. Use torches to cut the structure and weaken it.
3. Wrap a tow chain around one of the legs
4. Attach the other end to a strong vehicle and pull it over.

Your Tower has been busted.

Archangel

P.S. Folks are welcome to convince me otherwise, but I've seen HHGs, Towerbusters, and cloud busters, and none of it seems to do jacksquat. It's a way for people to feel like they are carrying on a war when they aren't actually doing anything. I actually followed behind a bunch of "orgone warriors" once and dug up their "tower busters" and laughed to myself for months as they crowed on about how they could feel a shift in the energy etc., etc. Puh-leeez.

dinachick
12-11-2007, 08:33 AM
I actually followed behind a bunch of "orgone warriors" once and dug up their "tower busters" and laughed to myself for months as they crowed on about how they could feel a shift in the energy etc.

Now THAT is naughty woghd!!

Alot of gifters may not be energy sensitive and so they would not notice whether a towerbuster was taken out. As an example, whether the tower once busted is always busted or does it resume its original function maybe someone could answer, but I would assume it would go back to it's original function as the NWO freaks try to dig up around the towers to try to find these things.

woghd
12-11-2007, 10:32 AM
Now THAT is naughty woghd!!

Alot of gifters may not be energy sensitive and so they would not notice whether a towerbuster was taken out. As an example, whether the tower once busted is always busted or does it resume its original function maybe someone could answer, but I would assume it would go back to it's original function as the NWO freaks try to dig up around the towers to try to find these things.

Naughty. Yes.
Evil Even? Yes. Because I know deep in my heart that these people, most of whom are my freinds, are trying to fight the same forces that I am.

But Damn.

I need to know the TRUTH. And maybe they did it wrong, or maybe the towerbusters were made wrong, or maybe something else, but in my shoes, as it stands, orgone does nothing at all, and I have to say it like I see it. sorry. I seek the truth.

Don't hate me, ok?
(I'd prefer if you show me where I'm wrong about Orgonite)

Archangel

whale
12-11-2007, 11:46 AM
I log pharma trolls http://www.whale.to/a/newsgroups_h.html

they sound so convincing don't they?

Best to use a fairly troll free Orgonite forum http://www.warriormatrix.com/

;);)

We even had one impersonate a parent asking form advice on vaccines, on a vax forum I am on.

whale
12-11-2007, 09:55 PM
"I'd prefer if you show me where I'm wrong about Orgonite"

You can play--I'll pretend to be asleep and you try and wake me, but count me out. :)

If you can't get the truth from all the evidence such as this http://www.whale.to/b/orgonite.html

then why would anyone want to be an unpaid coach to someone who has absolutely no Discernement, or is a troll? I'd prefer to spend my time gifting or collecting Truth.

rossus
12-11-2007, 11:04 PM
I'd prefer if you show me where I'm wrong about Orgonite
why don't you show us where you're right?

you claim orgonite helps fight "evil"...
you claim 2 little pieces of orgonite, make a otherwise very damaging celltower harmless...

there's no proof on your site or any other site that it really works is there?

woghd
13-11-2007, 02:30 AM
My evidence (I don't like the word proof) that orgonite does not (appear) to work, is that the towers are perfectly functional after the "tower-busters" are planted. For a long time I lived right next door to a group of "orgone warriors", and even went with them on "attack raids". Now these are good people, but they have been duped, and as far as I could ever tell, lulled into thinking that they are fighting some kind of war.

Think about how much fun it is to play war like this. You get to make weapons out of common materials that you can't get into trouble for. Any police raid would result in a claim that you are making pretty paperweights. The damage these "weapons" cause is non-existant...it's pretend damage. Nobody ever gets killed or detained because it's all play acting, using metal shavings and resin.

These people made THREE chem-trail busters. Anyone who ever lived in Las Vegas knows that the sky is criss-crossed DAILY with the damn things (the main reason I left) and those three devices, and all the other chem-trail busters in Las Vegas (it's a fad there) don't do a damn thing. The trails still paint the sky every day, sadly.

Chem-trails are real. These towers are real. Reptilians are real. The NWO is real. All these things are real, in my humble opinion, and playing war-games with globs of resin and glitter may give some people a good feeling like they are doing something, but in reality it does nothing.

If you want to carry on a war with the NWO, you have to get your hands dirty and stop play acting, that means physically destroying targets, you know, so they don't work anymore. It means identifying enemies and KILLING them. It means raising an army.

Now I am not advocating these things, at least not yet, but I'm trying to make a point that REAL war is ugly. It's not running around in the dead of night burying lumps of epoxy and pretending you are some kind of warrior. Fighting a risk-free war may be a lot of fun, but it accomplishes nothing.

I used to dig up the towerbusters and then listen to the war stories.
"I can feel the positive energy around that tower now"
"black helicopters have been following me around all day"
"the chemtrails are dissipating a lot quicker now."

It's all psychosomatic, and what's sad is that the NWO seems to have found yet another way to get good people to spin their wheels and waste time, and divide us. If you don't think orgone divides truthers, watch the reactions to this post!

To all orgone warriors. Don't get all hostile. Accept the fact that some of us just don't see these devices doing anything. Focus instead on what we have in common, a loathing of the NWO. Keep planting your towerbusters, I'm not saying don't do it. It makes you feel good, that's reason enough. All I ask is that you open your minds to the idea that these things MAY not be quite as effective as you had hoped.

I have an open mind too. Maybe a lot of people make them wrong. Maybe there's something I'm missing. If there is a piece of information about orgonite that you think I may have missed, by all means point me in the right direction, because as it stands now, I think orgone devices make pretty paper weights and nothing more.

Archangel

Infinite I
13-11-2007, 03:11 AM
Ive not been into orgonite that long and I understand what your saying. Sure you said earlier that your looking for the truth and I think I might have just jumped on the bandwagon to an extent, but I think it does make sense and its the only thing Ive found where you feel like your physically doing something. Not like raising armies is going to happen and thatd be a bit defeatist anyway, as is that sentence lol

I read about it somwhere and was shocked at the amount of people that were out doing it and done some research about it, mainly the positive stuff tbh and felt it was the only thing I could physically do. Im not that energy sensitive and maybe it is the placebo efect but i always have some on me now and it does give me comfort that ive buried tb's next to towers, also the positive intent and thought can only be a good thing. I do beleive that crystals do give off different energys even though Im not very energy sensitive. But then this is my beleif so it isnt provable, well depends how you look at proof. But my intuition is saying to do it and ill do it cos it certainly isnt a scam by new agers or whatever to make money. I understand that some people will not see it working, I got slagged off big time on another forum when I mentioned it. But I dont think the NWO have found another way to waste peoples time by inventing the idea of orgonite.

I have started thinking about, maybe it isnt as powerful as I first thought but im still going to do it, I still think theres something to it and im actually going to be making a lot more and putting them everywhere I can, like im not going to join an army or anything to fight evil lizards, ill boost them with my love, another thing I discovered due to orgonite. :)

woghd
13-11-2007, 03:36 AM
Ive not been into orgonite that long and I understand what your saying. Sure you said earlier that your looking for the truth and I think I might have just jumped on the bandwagon to an extent, but I think it does make sense and its the only thing Ive found where you feel like your physically doing something. Not like raising armies is going to happen and thatd be a bit defeatist anyway, as is that sentence lol

I read about it somwhere and was shocked at the amount of people that were out doing it and done some research about it, mainly the positive stuff tbh and felt it was the only thing I could physically do. Im not that energy sensitive and maybe it is the placebo efect but i always have some on me now and it does give me comfort that ive buried tb's next to towers, also the positive intent and thought can only be a good thing. I do beleive that crystals do give off different energys even though Im not very energy sensitive. But then this is my beleif so it isnt provable, well depends how you look at proof. But my intuition is saying to do it and ill do it cos it certainly isnt a scam by new agers or whatever to make money. I understand that some people will not see it working, I got slagged off big time on another forum when I mentioned it. But I dont think the NWO have found another way to waste peoples time by inventing the idea of orgonite.

I have started thinking about, maybe it isnt as powerful as I first thought but im still going to do it, I still think theres something to it and im actually going to be making a lot more and putting them everywhere I can, like im not going to join an army or anything to fight evil lizards, ill boost them with my love, another thing I discovered due to orgonite. :)

If it makes you feel good, you should do it. The positive feeling alone is reason enough to make these devices and bury them! In THAT way Orgone DOES work! Do not underestimate the power of the mind. The placebo effect is often mistakenly touted as placebo=fake, this is not true. The power of the mind is incredible, devout christians can experience stigmata, all with the power of just their minds! I won't even go into what a yoga master can achieve with his mind, or what a martial artist is capable of, simply by meditating and focusing energy!

So you keep making those things and burying them, but you might also want to save some of the money you spend on materials for a bus ticket to attend a anti-NWO demonstration, or to pay a fee or two while doing research.
;)

Archangel

Infinite I
13-11-2007, 03:46 AM
or to pay a fee or two while doing research.


What do you mean, become a premium subscriber to this forum like yourself? lol I know its hardly anything but icke must be rich, I know he lives in a 4 in a block an stuff and it would help but compared to the likes of me hes rich lol

And I will keep making orgonite for the towers, ive actually started making my first holy hand grenades, more powerful orgone generators ;) and im going to place them in one of the biggest masonic sites on the planet apparantly just a mile from my house! http://www.outlawjournalism.com/news/?p=5572

orgo knight
13-11-2007, 04:13 AM
I can't see wind, but I can see the effect it has on the leaves in the trees and grass in the fields.
Same with orgonite. I am not energy sensitive but I have seen the effect it has on chem crap in the sky:)
Early last year I noticed spraying in my town. Internet searches led me to orgonite.Initially I was hesitant but I thought I'd make a couple of HHG's anyway.
I put two HHG's in my backyard but it did'nt do shit to the chemmies:mad:
After a few months of coughing and wheezing I decided to build a CB and gift the towers in my immediate area.
The CB and gifting worked a treat and those chemtrails had their bottoms smacked.:D
Now there's plenty of blue skies and fluffy clouds:)
http://blog.politicalnonsense.com/images/posts/clouds_320.jpg

Infinite I
13-11-2007, 04:19 AM
I want a cb I live in a block so even just to point out my window :D Forgot to say, actually think I said earlier in the thread, after a day of heavy gifting there was loads of spraying, could be coincidence but I dont really beleive in them any more, also after my second batch there was definately some entity presence trying to intimidate me in my bedroom at night, after the orgonite cured that stopped though. ;)

somewarez
13-11-2007, 06:21 AM
I cant answer wether it works or it doesnt as I dont have a device to measure it. What I can say is its better to get out there and die trying. Words are good so is action.

David Icke has one, and alot of other wise people who are far wiser than me have one. Thats good enough for me! :)

And well I may be very low on cash but week by week I am buying the components to gift my area. Even if it only helps my mind well thats still better than feeling like shit everyday cos your doing nothing to help.

Yes there seems a few people are selling this stuff for profit and taking advantage of people who might be an easy target. I wont say your wrong or right.

I just feel since I don't have the mental capacity to help, but I can help by making things. If I had a great mind such as the likes of Icke etc then I would use it but I don't.

I want to do my bit to help out. Nothing wrong with it? So let me continue please without derogatory pull downs. Also feel free to tell me what you did last week to help, other than rant at people with good intentions?

I'M TRYING in my own way (possibly deluded) but I want to help!

niftygifter
13-11-2007, 09:06 AM
My evidence (I don't like the word proof) that orgonite does not (appear) to work, is that the towers are perfectly functional after the "tower-busters" are planted. For a long time I lived right next door to a group of "orgone warriors", and even went with them on "attack raids". Now these are good people, but they have been duped, and as far as I could ever tell, lulled into thinking that they are fighting some kind of war.

Think about how much fun it is to play war like this. You get to make weapons out of common materials that you can't get into trouble for. Any police raid would result in a claim that you are making pretty paperweights. The damage these "weapons" cause is non-existant...it's pretend damage. Nobody ever gets killed or detained because it's all play acting, using metal shavings and resin.

These people made THREE chem-trail busters. Anyone who ever lived in Las Vegas knows that the sky is criss-crossed DAILY with the damn things (the main reason I left) and those three devices, and all the other chem-trail busters in Las Vegas (it's a fad there) don't do a damn thing. The trails still paint the sky every day, sadly.

Chem-trails are real. These towers are real. Reptilians are real. The NWO is real. All these things are real, in my humble opinion, and playing war-games with globs of resin and glitter may give some people a good feeling like they are doing something, but in reality it does nothing.

If you want to carry on a war with the NWO, you have to get your hands dirty and stop play acting, that means physically destroying targets, you know, so they don't work anymore. It means identifying enemies and KILLING them. It means raising an army.

Now I am not advocating these things, at least not yet, but I'm trying to make a point that REAL war is ugly. It's not running around in the dead of night burying lumps of epoxy and pretending you are some kind of warrior. Fighting a risk-free war may be a lot of fun, but it accomplishes nothing.

I used to dig up the towerbusters and then listen to the war stories.
"I can feel the positive energy around that tower now"
"black helicopters have been following me around all day"
"the chemtrails are dissipating a lot quicker now."

It's all psychosomatic, and what's sad is that the NWO seems to have found yet another way to get good people to spin their wheels and waste time, and divide us. If you don't think orgone divides truthers, watch the reactions to this post!

To all orgone warriors. Don't get all hostile. Accept the fact that some of us just don't see these devices doing anything. Focus instead on what we have in common, a loathing of the NWO. Keep planting your towerbusters, I'm not saying don't do it. It makes you feel good, that's reason enough. All I ask is that you open your minds to the idea that these things MAY not be quite as effective as you had hoped.

I have an open mind too. Maybe a lot of people make them wrong. Maybe there's something I'm missing. If there is a piece of information about orgonite that you think I may have missed, by all means point me in the right direction, because as it stands now, I think orgone devices make pretty paper weights and nothing more.

Archangel

OK you state that Reptilians are real, prove it and dont point me to that pile of crap link at the bottom of your reply. You cannot prove anything about Reptilians.
See the point?

Nifty:rolleyes:

rossus
13-11-2007, 11:24 AM
...
nice post :)


there's several people in this thread now (incl. myself) who have experiences with orgonite and we say it doesn't work for us.
---------------------------
orgoniter's claim orgonite does work. but them don't seem to have any proof other than their own experiences, which you can't take a picture off and put online. personal experiences aren't always very objective. there's people who see nothing, other people see this and other people see that. i just accidentally bumped in to this thread (http://www.rigorousintuition.ca/board/viewtopic.php?t=10153&postdays=0&postorder=asc&start=0&sid=d6c45a0c7ea6acc1072e6e5e02c0fc3a) and the author of that thread is a guy there who was very active in the "orgonite war" together with his brother...
and he he suspects himself and his brother to be a victim of some kind of government Mind Control experiment. maybe they programmed him to lead people off track?
----------------------------
orgoniter's claim to fight "evil"... but the "evil" people never fight back?
they only follow the orgoniters around with black helicopters all the time...
why wouldn't they just kill you orgoniters? or at least, the pioneers of the "orgo-movement".
they could easily do so, without making much suspicion.

somewarez
14-11-2007, 05:15 AM
there's several people in this thread now (incl. myself) who have experiences with orgonite and we say it doesn't work for us.

Open up more and perhaps not take the first batch you either make or receive.

orgoniter's claim to fight "evil"... but the "evil" people never fight back?
they only follow the orgoniters around with black helicopters all the time...

Haven't had this yet guess I may when I make more.

Feel free to tell us what you did last week to help the freedom movement.

This isn't meant to be offensive, its just defensive, I am sick of people who come here and try hurt me and others for trying!
I DONT SAY IT WORKS! but its far f*king better than posting on a forum your rants!
Your just a Rantard!

whale
14-11-2007, 08:08 AM
This isn't meant to be offensive, its just defensive, I am sick of people who come here and try hurt me and others for trying!
I DONT SAY IT WORKS! but its far f*king better than posting on a forum your rants!Your just a Rantard!

Just disinfo merchants, if they can spend a few billion $$ a day trying to kill us with chemtrails and death towers, they can sure arrange to fill forums with agents.

There were 2 forums actually run my agents or MkKids, not including Don's last one. His is invite only for that reason.

All this prove it crap.

OK you state that Reptilians are real, prove it and dont point me to that pile of crap link at the bottom of your reply. You cannot prove anything about Reptilians. See the point?

Prove they don't exist or orgonite doesn't work. They can't. End of story. I spent 3 years proving orgonite doesn't work, and still proving reptilians don't exists. And anyway, if what they claim to say is true (yeah, right) , basic spiritual psychology 101:

"In the province of the mind, what one believes to be true is true or becomes true, within certain limits to be found experientially and experimentally. These limits are further beliefs to be transcended. In the mind there are no limits."--John Lilly

People see what they believe first, and then believe what they see. Basic pyjama folk.

and you can't talk anyone through a veil, only show them the door http://www.whale.to/b/sl.html

woghd
14-11-2007, 10:13 AM
You know you can attack the messenger all you like. Say what you like about reptilian videos. Attempting to tear down one belief will not make orgonite any more viable. If you want to talk about reptilian videos, start a thread in the reptilian forum, I'll be happy to discuss it.

But right now we are talking about orgonite.
It's just a lump of epoxy and metal shavings.

Now I think I've been reasonable about this. I've acknowledged the positive feeling that people get when burying these things. And I've even said that maybe I'm wrong, perhaps there's something I missed, maybe someone can explain it to me.

For my trouble, I get personal attacks. Off-topic strikes at the idea of reptilians, etc etc. Why the negativity? I would think that with all those positive-energy devices that you folks would be in a better mood. I certainly have not reduced myself to personally attacking anyone, in contrary, I'm inviting someone to teach me about orgonite, and show me something substantial that I may have missed.

Otherwise, I am forced to go back to my original mindset that "orgone warrriors" are simply "playing" war with "weapons" that do no damage, and enemies that don't fight back, and with absolutely no fear of death, injury, or imprisonment.

I could go onto an airforce base and throw a few daisies at some fighter planes and then go home and tell my freinds how my positive energy destroyed the base...

...but it would be play-acting.

Archangel

sunyatta60
14-11-2007, 10:20 AM
[QUOTE=dmt head;186647]Ive been convinced of orgonite and I make it and gift my area, the first few pours

Hi I have long been fascinated by Reich and believe they the dark forces did him in. Now can you explain How we make these Orgone devices. First of all what is Resin and where do i get it? Then what do I do? Imagine your trying to explain this to a 6 year old I want step by step guidence then I too will become a gifter :) Talking of Entities I saw one in my bedroom one night, it was bending over me while I was dozing in and out of consciousness. I opened my eyes and flew out of bed, the entity was as shocked as I was, it jumped back and evaporated. No one can tell me that the experience was a dream or did not happen. By the way Life is a dream and there is Only The Dreamer we are just figaments of its imagination :)

woghd
14-11-2007, 10:43 AM
[QUOTE=dmt head;186647]Ive been convinced of orgonite and I make it and gift my area, the first few pours

Hi I have long been fascinated by Reich and believe they the dark forces did him in. Now can you explain How we make these Orgone devices. First of all what is Resin and where do i get it? Then what do I do? Imagine your trying to explain this to a 6 year old I want step by step guidence then I too will become a gifter :) Talking of Entities I saw one in my bedroom one night, it was bending over me while I was dozing in and out of consciousness. I opened my eyes and flew out of bed, the entity was as shocked as I was, it jumped back and evaporated. No one can tell me that the experience was a dream or did not happen. By the way Life is a dream and there is Only The Dreamer we are just figaments of its imagination :)

Resin is a kind of glue that us used mainly to repair boats. Get it at any hardware store. It is a nasty toxic substance (nothing organic about it). You have to wear gloves to work with it. Mix it with some metal shavings and pour it into a mold, say, a cupcake mold. Some people stick a crystal in there too. let it harden. That's it! You now supposedly have a wonder device that can destroy towers, dissolve chemtrails, repell reptilians, and cast "positive" energy all over the place.

It's just a lump of glue and metal shavings and maybe a crystal. It does nothing. It won't cure you of any diseases, or repel evil entities, or get you home safe on a dark and stormy night.

I used to dig these things up right after they were buried by "orgone warriors" and entertain myself for weeks as they traded stories about how effective they were, lol, don't fall for this.

Archangel

lookfar
14-11-2007, 10:49 AM
Hi guys

I just wanted to jump in here & say something. Why are we wasting time bickering about whether this or that can be proven or not, surely that only serves the ego & nothing else? It can also be seen as a diversion tactic sometimes.

I see the orgonite movement as an attempt at fighting back without attaching the negativity of bloodshed & death (as someone previously mentioned here:eek:) Surely we've seen enough evidence to prove that this gets us nowhere and there are peaceful ways of fighting back. As David Icke says "You can't fight for peace, you have to peace for peace", these are very wise words imo.

I personally believe in the power orgonite (from my very limited use with it) & so do many others. It works on an energy level which not everyone can see with the human eye, it's a perception which also requires a strong belief/intent in what you're doing with it. If this intent isn't there when you're making/distributing, then I believe that this could have a negative effect on the results (please correct me if I'm wrong here, but that's my understanding of it:)).

I don't understand why those who don't believe in orgonite have a problem with those that do, each to their own & all that, we do not have to create divisions. Can't we just accept that we all have different beliefs, we are all individuals here experiencing our own uniqueness & don't deserve to be belittled because of it. It's not as if people are out there forcing orgonite down other people's throats is it!? If you don't believe, just walk away & focus on something that you DO believe in, it's quite simple really!!:D

Sorry for the rant, but I just had to get that off my chest, lol!:D:o

Keep up the good work in whatever you're doing guys & gals!!:)

Infinite I
14-11-2007, 12:19 PM
It is the meant to be the intent and the enrergys and loving thoughts you emmit when making the orgonite. I like to listen to nice music when making it and get in a positive frame of mind mentally. Apparantly this is as just as important as getting the mix right.

I was actually talking about we that icke quote, saying we have to peace for peace. I was actually saying how does that make sense, kind of like when he says and others say if you dont beleive it exists it wont, which is a bit contradictory. I was talking about orgonite at the time and I suppose that is a kind of peacing for peace if you know what I mean

woghd
14-11-2007, 06:35 PM
I don't understand why those who don't believe in orgonite have a problem with those that do, each to their own & all that, we do not have to create divisions. Can't we just accept that we all have different beliefs, we are all individuals here experiencing our own uniqueness & don't deserve to be belittled because of it. It's not as if people are out there forcing orgonite down other people's throats is it!? If you don't believe, just walk away & focus on something that you DO believe in, it's quite simple really!!:D



I want to make it clear that I have no problem with people who believe in orgonite, in fact I invite folks to explain it to me in more detail, maybe the "orgone warriors" I knew were making it wrong, I dunno, it's possible. But I've seen a whole array of chembusters do *nothing* about the chemtrails in las vegas, and as far as I can tell, the towers keep working perfectly fine after they've been "busted", insofar as I've staked one out and never seen any repair crews show up to see what's wrong. You'd think a couple of guys would come out with metal detectors and dig them up, right? That's how I used to find them.

Look guys, I know your heart is in the right place, and if it makes you feel good to make these things and bury them around, go for it. Making you feel good is good enough reason to do it.

(here is my only problem with orgone warriors)
Please don't act like you are fighting a war, safe in your cozy homes. You aren't. If you want to fight a war, pull a tower over. You have to get your hands dirty (and bloody), you have to take risks. You have to put yourself into positions where you may be killed, injured, captured or tortured.

Otherwise you are playing right into enemy hands. Pretending to fight them when you are doing nothing at all. More wasted time and money and resources. More shifting of focus away from anything that could harm them. Our enemy is very good at doing that to us.

Still I can see the therapeutic value of creating and burying these things, and I applaud that, just keep it in perspective and remember that there may come a time when you may have to fight a REAL war, or at least lose yourself in some remote location.

Archangel

edelweiss pirate
18-11-2007, 12:15 PM
It's just a lump of glue and metal shavings and maybe a crystal. It does nothing. It won't cure you of any diseases, or repel evil entities, or get you home safe on a dark and stormy night.

I used to dig these things up right after they were buried by "orgone warriors" and entertain myself for weeks as they traded stories about how effective they were, lol, don't fall for this.

Archangel

Since it's you debunking Orgonite there's sure to be something it.

For me Orognite channels the positive intention and orgon energy that is invested into it. Like little psychic relay stations.

If Woghd is really digging them up (though I suspect he's just trying to stir up trouble tbh) then it says an awful lot about his intentions either way.

whale
18-11-2007, 04:35 PM
Some troll info below. The power of orgonite attracts Elite trolls of course, in the hope of putting off the average pyjama person from waking up. One tactic is for you to prove to them its value, a complete timewaster and fills up endless space.


Just some food for thought about the tactics used by either paid trolls or trolls with an agenda.
One thing i have noticed is that trolls will ignore the vast ammounts of hard evidence provided and attack on the little stuff where they think they can gain points or some kind of oneupmanship on a poster.
A small excerpt From http://deconsumption.typepad.com/deconsumption/2006/06/trolling_for_do.html
"The tactics their paid trolls use are easy to recognize once you are sensitized to them, the common thread being that they will be designed to waste the maximum amount their victims' time while requiring the minimum amount of the trolls' time. Hence the trolls will tend to avoid developing a positive viewpoint and instead confine themselves to generic objections to the viewpoints of others that can be recursively applied to subsequent posts. One way of doing this is to simply post insults, but this tends to have the trolls recognized as trolls too quickly, so they tend to adopt a variety of other tactics. A few I've noticed are the following:

1. Active listening objections: The trolls feed back their victim's posts in the form of stupid questions and asinine misunderstandings and simply repeat the process when the victim offers clarification.
2. Demands for (always unspecified) evidence: The troll will say that the victim hasn't offered enough evidence, that his sources are no good etc. and demand more evidence. The demands will always be open ended so that actually satisfying the troll's request for more evidence will be impossible.
3. Relativistic/nihilistic objections: The troll will say something along the lines that no-one knows anything, you canít prove anything, it's all just a matter of opinion, just because something happened in the past doesn't mean it will happen in the future etc. (I suppose this is true at some philosophical level, but not very helpful to the progress of any discussion).
4. Diagnostic objections: The troll will claim that the victim is only advancing his position out of resentment of his own circumstances, some psychological problem etc.

rossus
18-11-2007, 04:47 PM
Some troll info below. The power of orgonite attracts Elite trolls of course, in the hope of putting off the average pyjama person from waking up. One tactic is for you to prove to them its value, a complete timewaster and fills up endless space.


Just some food for thought about the tactics used by either paid trolls or trolls with an agenda.
One thing i have noticed is that trolls will ignore the vast ammounts of hard evidence provided and attack on the little stuff where they think they can gain points or some kind of oneupmanship on a poster.
A small excerpt From http://deconsumption.typepad.com/deconsumption/2006/06/trolling_for_do.html
"The tactics their paid trolls use are easy to recognize once you are sensitized to them, the common thread being that they will be designed to waste the maximum amount their victims' time while requiring the minimum amount of the trolls' time. Hence the trolls will tend to avoid developing a positive viewpoint and instead confine themselves to generic objections to the viewpoints of others that can be recursively applied to subsequent posts. One way of doing this is to simply post insults, but this tends to have the trolls recognized as trolls too quickly, so they tend to adopt a variety of other tactics. A few I've noticed are the following:

1. Active listening objections: The trolls feed back their victim's posts in the form of stupid questions and asinine misunderstandings and simply repeat the process when the victim offers clarification.
2. Demands for (always unspecified) evidence: The troll will say that the victim hasn't offered enough evidence, that his sources are no good etc. and demand more evidence. The demands will always be open ended so that actually satisfying the troll's request for more evidence will be impossible.
3. Relativistic/nihilistic objections: The troll will say something along the lines that no-one knows anything, you can’t prove anything, it's all just a matter of opinion, just because something happened in the past doesn't mean it will happen in the future etc. (I suppose this is true at some philosophical level, but not very helpful to the progress of any discussion).
4. Diagnostic objections: The troll will claim that the victim is only advancing his position out of resentment of his own circumstances, some psychological problem etc.
incredible you claim to have "woken up",
but all you guys seem to do is calling everyone who don't believe the orgonite hype a troll.
:(

i don't know if you know, but your mind seems to be operating like that of cult members. mormons for example.
"orgonite is the only true religion"


ofcourse you experience the effect of "evil spirits"... ofcourse you experience the effect of "orgonite fighting the evil spirits"...
because, when you believe hard enough in something, the mind makes it real.

this is how many cults recruit new members and keep old members.
they have the proof that it is the only true religion,
but they don't know that the proof is the product of their belief.

and i have suspicion that "orgonite" works much the same way.

edelweiss pirate
18-11-2007, 05:00 PM
This guy's on about following gifters around and digging up their orgone stations....

You don't get the impression he's just trying to wind people up?

He and Chris have effectively shut down this thread and made it into the rather unsavoury rant that is has now become..

Textbook definition of trolling.

Can someone come and save this beautiful and well intentioned thread please?

whale
18-11-2007, 05:24 PM
Yeah, textbook troll. One was rubbishing the idea of reptilians, on the Icke forum!

Best place for orgonite discussion is on forums devoted to that, they do keep out the trolls usually. EW is invitation only as Don got fed up with them http://www.ethericwarriors.com

The old CB forum was run by one of them. One proof of its potency.

rossus
18-11-2007, 05:56 PM
Yeah, textbook troll. One was rubbishing the idea of reptilians, on the Icke forum!

Best place for orgonite discussion is on forums devoted to that, they do keep out the trolls usually. EW is invitation only as Don got fed up with them http://www.ethericwarriors.com

The old CB forum was run by one of them. One proof of its potency.
i agree. the best place to be for potential new "believers"
is there where only people with the same kind of belief are allowed.

it makes the brainwashing process easier when there are no "trolls" hanging around.

edelweiss pirate
18-11-2007, 06:05 PM
i agree. the best place to be for potential new "believers"
is there where only people with the same kind of belief are allowed.

it makes the brainwashing process easier when there are no "trolls" hanging around.

Don't you think you're sounding a bit narrow minded.

The positve effects of meditation have been proved (a study some years back showed that active meditations actually decreased the crime-rate)..

If that's possible then why is similar magic with orgonite not possible.

I think brainwashing is a strong term, there's hardly any harm in becoming more self empowered.

rossus
18-11-2007, 06:10 PM
Don't you think you're sounding a bit narrow minded.

The positve effects of meditation have been proved (a study some years back showed that active meditations actually decreased the crime-rate)..

If that's possible then why is similar magic with orgonite not possible.

I think brainwashing is a strong term, there's hardly any harm in becoming more self empowered.
i'm not saying being an orgoniter doesn't produce "special feelings"...
i'm sure it does.

but the power is not in the orgonite,
it's in the mind.

and the orgonite people promote a belief system of "evil" vs "good"...
and how "orgonite helps to fight evil".

they imagine an enemy and fight him with an imaginary solution (orgonite).
maybe, they're a little better off with their solution than without it.

i just think it's far more self-empowering to stop imagining an enemy,
than believe in orgonite being the magic solution to every problem.

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i think it's a bit early to compare "orgonite" to that meditation experiment to reduce crime.
i'm even skepticical about the "scientific results" of that meditation experiment itself...
because it involved "transcendental meditation practitioners"

i don't know much about "transcendental meditation", but i've read some sketchy things about it.
such as: http://www.strippingthegurus.com/stgsamplechapters/maharishi.asp

maybe the experiment was rigged, to promote "transcendental meditation".

edelweiss pirate
18-11-2007, 06:42 PM
Yeah Rossus but belief is a very powerful thing.

For me the energy originates in your mind (just as you say) but can then be channelled, amplified and directed by the orgone whatsit...

If you start debunking it and telling people it's nonsense then it won't work anymore because they won't believe in it.

But the thing is I do believe it DOES work because people believe in it.

woghd
18-11-2007, 07:19 PM
i'm not saying being an orgoniter doesn't produce "special feelings"...
i'm sure it does.

but the power is not in the orgonite,
it's in the mind.

and the orgonite people promote a belief system of "evil" vs "good"...
and how "orgonite helps to fight evil".

they imagine an enemy and fight him with an imaginary solution (orgonite).
maybe, they're a little better off with their solution than without it.

i just think it's far more self-empowering to stop imagining an enemy,
than believe in orgonite being the magic solution to every problem.

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i think it's a bit early to compare "orgonite" to that meditation experiment to reduce crime.
i'm even skepticical about the "scientific results" of that meditation experiment itself...
because it involved "transcendental meditation practitioners"

i don't know much about "transcendental meditation", but i've read some sketchy things about it.
such as: http://www.strippingthegurus.com/stgsamplechapters/maharishi.asp

maybe the experiment was rigged, to promote "transcendental meditation".


Stands and Applauds

Archangel

rossus
18-11-2007, 07:45 PM
can then be channelled, amplified and directed by the orgone
i don't think a piece of orgonite really amplifies,
or is any more special than any other object of which you believe it holds a special power...
such as a piece of dirt or a simple rock.

if we should believe the orgonite-camp...
orgonite converts "DOR" into "POR"
orgonite scares away "evil entities"
orgonite helps to restore balance in the world
etc. etc.

but none of these effects can be proven. :rolleyes:
if it really is so good, i'm sure they could prove it.

and then there's the stuff i talked about in my other post.
http://www.davidicke.com/forum/showpost.php?p=188140&postcount=66



i used to follow the "orgonite scene" for a bit,
and the pioneers such as don croft come up with the wildest stories of how they are being "astrally attacked" by evil entities... that are totally unbelievable.

for example one time he and his wife were being chased by a black car,
and they shot with an astral weapon through the cars...

and when they managed to get away,
his wife saw that she had a "hole in her aura" that look a little bit like the traces of a shotgun.
but luckily she had her orgonite pendant on otherwise she might not have survived. :rolleyes:

if the powers that be could really be stopped by pieces of orgonite (like orgoniters claim)
they could easily kill people like don croft and company who promote it so heavily... but they don't.



i have no problem when people believe in crystals or "orgonite",
you can all believe what you want.

i just can't help but feel it itching when i see people claiming "orgonite is the solution to all problems"...
because i know people fall into that kind of traps... and before they know they are stuck in a new-age-religion.

whale
18-11-2007, 09:19 PM
"wake up from "the matrix", try meditation"

Some way to go with the meditation then. :)

But nice cloak of spirituality like Bush and the flag. Trouble is, real spiritual people can spot you fakers a mile off.

tinfoil hat is classic troll talk. Wont be long now when you reptilians will be long gone, bit behind schedule with your takeover, 2000 planned wasn't it?

http://www.whale.to/b/orgonite.html

rossus
18-11-2007, 10:18 PM
"wake up from "the matrix", try meditation"

Some way to go with the meditation then. :)

But nice cloak of spirituality like Bush and the flag. Trouble is, real spiritual people can spot you fakers a mile off.

tinfoil hat is classic troll talk. Wont be long now when you reptilians will be long gone, bit behind schedule with your takeover, 2000 planned wasn't it?

http://www.whale.to/b/orgonite.html
you are right,
that tinfoil hat was pushing it too far...
so i removed it from the original post.

my apologies :o

de_shit
19-11-2007, 02:17 AM
Personally, Ill go with some old world healing stones such as turquoise. I bought a necklace made of it, and I haven't had a bad day since. Ive had people get pissed at me out of nowhere which is odd, but they were people in power, so maybe they were not human. I don't trust that orgonite bullshit. A stone cannot fix you, but it can reset you, allowing you to fix yourself. That is what turquoise does. I have felt static electricity out of nowhere on cars and shit since I started wearing it. I also cause radio interference more often now.

woghd
19-11-2007, 02:22 AM
Personally, Ill go with some old world healing stones such as turquoise. I bought a necklace made of it, and I haven't had a bad day since. Ive had people get pissed at me out of nowhere which is odd, but they were people in power, so maybe they were not human. I don't trust that orgonite bullshit. A stone cannot fix you, but it can reset you, allowing you to fix yourself. That is what turquoise does. I have felt static electricity out of nowhere on cars and shit since I started wearing it. I also cause radio interference more often now.

Rocks and crystals are proven to channel energy. There are crystal radios, and crystal focused lasers, but I doubt if encasing one in a solid glob of glue and glitter will do anything for it.

Archangel