Help/Advice

[bradc]

Last night my Fiancé and I got into it about our unborn children in regards to what religion they will be.

I am an atheist. I never believed in any god or subscribed to any religion. She’s known this since day one.
Apparently there is some stigma with that and that if you have kids the world will cave in on you!

So the conversation started as:
Me: “ you can take the kids to what ever church you want, I support what ever choice you make”
Her: “why don’t we try some churchs out, there all different, yada yada yada”

After some frustration we dropped the subject.

I don’t know what to think of our relationship now. I’m not looking for god so why would I run around to find a church?
I don’t have a void to fill nor am I looking for a blueprint for my life.

Bottom line is that the last place you get morals from is in a church. I guess the rest of the world disagree's...

Has anyone else had to deal with this?

[kblood]

I havent been in the same situation but have thought about it. I have thought to have my children baptised when I have children, but only for the sake of tradition. Then they will get to choose for themselves when they get older. Another choice for me is wether or not to get married in a church... I think I will let that be up to her wether to be married or not, or in a church or not.

What does she mean that the church is important... does she mean different religions? other I guess just go for one with enough room, and some nice architecture ;)

The choice of church is about where to get the child babtised, or...?

[bradc]

I havent been in the same situation but have thought about it. I have thought to have my children baptised when I have children, but only for the sake of tradition. Then they will get to choose for themselves when they get older. Another choice for me is wether or not to get married in a church... I think I will let that be up to her wether to be married or not, or in a church or not.

What does she mean that the church is important... does she mean different religions? other I guess just go for one with enough room, and some nice architecture ;)

The choice of church is about where to get the child babtised, or...?



I think she meant diff types of religions, but said church's.

Actually how this all started was a co-worker of hers was appalled that we weren't getting married by a pastor/preist in a church and was giving he shit.

[cruise4]

I cannot see why anyone would want to indoctrinate their child, once they are aware of what it is.

[octopusrex]

Athesim is a philosophy and thus, can be considered "religious" because it requires faith in the beleif that there is "no God".

It's like folks who have one muslim and one hindu parent. They gotta make up their own minds at some point, but certainly, being "afraid" that they send your kid to some temple or church is not wise.

Let your wife take him where she will..

Then you give him your side of the story...

And let him make up his own mind.

[kblood]

Yup, I agree with Octo.

[bradc]

Athesim is a philosophy and thus, can be considered "religious" because it requires faith in the beleif that there is "no God".

It's like folks who have one muslim and one hindu parent. They gotta make up their own minds at some point, but certainly, being "afraid" that they send your kid to some temple or church is not wise.

Let your wife take him where she will..

Then you give him your side of the story...

And let him make up his own mind.

right on octo.
I guess used the term atheist to loosly.

[octopusrex]

And if you REALLY want to help the lad.. Give him some Peyote! HA!

[joejam]

I really believe that our children come through us and not For us. I was pretty much raised Christian....didn't necessarily attend church every Sunday....but I was raised believing the Truths of Christianity.....My oldest was baptised, that was before I was where I am now. I don't regret doing it...but my last 2.....no thought there. We pray, ...My kids know Jesus. That is what we were raised to know. I believe in a " Christ " consciousness.....Love, unconditionally. It does exist. But I try my damnest to teach my kids that homosexuality, race, smoking, dancing, cussing.....does not come in to play with Religion. Find your truth on the inside. What feels right to you? If it feels wrong, don't do it. And if you do, Forgive yourself. Experience here with the 5 physical senses are what it is all about. I believe this is not our reality. When I leave this life,,,,am I gonna care about crap that doesn't matter?

The only thing I do wonder about is children, when they are hurt and abused. Is it their soul's purpose...some kind of karma??? That is where my confusion lies. I do believe that is the truth. Esp, if this here isn't my reality.

[tinmenace]

Expose your children to it all, and let them choose for themselves.

[drael]

If your fiance is concerned about morals there are many philosophies that are non-religious that cover morality. Humanists are a good example of non-religious moralists.

If your fiance wants your children to beleive in god, thats a little trickier. Children should be taught that god is possible, that the concept exists but not forced to beleive. Better they beleive in the mystery of life IMO. If you fiance wants them specifically to beleive in christianity, well i dont know what id say to that, its pretty messed up.

Sure children are better with a good moral and philosophical foundation, but this has nothing to do with religion :/ After all few churchs even follow the kind, loving, non-judgemental example of jesus.

[seer74]

Athesim is a philosophy and thus, can be considered "religious" because it requires faith in the beleif that there is "no God".

It's like folks who have one muslim and one hindu parent. They gotta make up their own minds at some point, but certainly, being "afraid" that they send your kid to some temple or church is not wise.

Let your wife take him where she will..

Then you give him your side of the story...

And let him make up his own mind.

my thoughts exactly

[loxalol]

I think she meant diff types of religions, but said church's.

I am curious what religious beliefs your fiance has?

It just seems a bit odd to want to "test drive" a few different religions to see which would be best for your child?!? What I mean by that is it doesnt seem useful to bring your child up on a belief system that you dont believe in yourself.

My personal feeling is rather than subscribing children to one particular religion, they should be taught about as many different religions/belief systems as possible so that once they are old enough, they can choose which (if any) religion they want to follow according to their own outlook on life.

Thats what i plan on doing when i have kids anyway :D

[optimus pigpot]

Athesim is a philosophy and thus, can be considered "religious" because it requires faith in the beleif that there is "no God".

It's like folks who have one muslim and one hindu parent. They gotta make up their own minds at some point, but certainly, being "afraid" that they send your kid to some temple or church is not wise.

Let your wife take him where she will..

Then you give him your side of the story...

And let him make up his own mind.

David Icke has shown us time and again that all religions have no basis upon which to make their claims.....

Jesus never walked the earth.... David Icke, The Matrix.. Religion is a trap. So is aetheism, evoltion and the big bang never happened........

Do not be the next one pulled in. Be free as you are, you need no-one to tell you that you are inadequate and need a superficial God to stand in Judgement of you or anyone else.......

ALL RELIGION IS SHIT.........

[optimus pigpot]

My personal feeling is rather than subscribing children to one particular religion, they should be taught about as many different religions/belief systems as possible so that once they are old enough, they can choose which (if any) religion they want to follow according to their own outlook on life.:D

I am not interested in faith belief or anything other than proof for that matter.

[optimus pigpot]

Sure children are better with a good moral and philosophical foundation, but this has nothing to do with religion :/ After all few churchs even follow the kind, loving, non-judgemental example of jesus.

Let's just add the word, FICTIONAL, example of jesus the cartoon character.......

[belzebob]

I have no duty to convince anybody.

But if you can find no wisdom in the words of Jesus, then this just proves that you are ....an idiot.

BB

[optimus pigpot]

I have no duty to convince anybody.

But if you can find no wisdom in the words of Jesus, then this just proves that you are ....an idiot.

BB

So who is more the fool? The fool who speaks or the fool who listens!!!!!!!!

OP.

[phildee3]

Last night my Fiancé and I got into it about our unborn children in regards to what religion they will be.

Stick around.
You should find out in about twenty years or so...

[optimus pigpot]

Stick around.
You should find out in about twenty years or so...

Where's the proof phildee.. We've done this all before. You obviously don't read much about Icke so what is your real point. Are there not enough Christian sites for you to pray on...

I'll say it again Icke has proved Jesus does not exist, never walked the earth and won't return so why do you stay here. Icke enthusiasts don't come here for a Christian conversion because as Icke HAS pointed out in many books LET'S SAY IT AGAIN, THERE IS NO EVIDENCE TO SUPPORT JESUS, AT ALL, EVER!!! Good... I'm glad we are done!!!

Jesus / Christian / Established religion is incompatible with ICKE's work.. It is not up for your interpretation as to what Icke has said..

Jesus never existed, that's what he said..

[phildee3]

You obviously don't read much about Icke...

I'll say it again Icke has proved Jesus does not exist, never walked the earth and won't return

You're wrong. I have read much of David's work.
But then again, you're right. I haven't read enough to have seen this.

Could you please give us a reference as to where we can find this proof?

[phildee3]

Icke enthusiasts don't come here for a Christian conversion

Good. I don't come here to prosletize.

[optimus pigpot]

You're wrong. I have read much of David's work.
But then again, you're right. I haven't read enough to have seen this.

Could you please give us a reference as to where we can find this proof?

If you turn to the following pages of the Good Book, The Biggest Secret you will find, Quoted from The Biggest Secret, Page 102, line 22 and 23. "There is no credible evidence whatsoever for the existence of Jesus........" From here, Icke continues to speak more to back up his claims..

Go backwards and forwards though you shouldn't have to, having known the book and it's contents and you will dispense with the given religious myth.

Cordial pericombobulations,

Op

[zero1]

OP, do what is necessary to encourage a situation where your children are free to make up their own minds about matters of faith and belief.

Anything less and you are swapping your own indoctrination for that of the Church's.

[optimus pigpot]

OP, do what is necessary to encourage a situation where your children are free to make up their own minds about matters of faith and belief.

Anything less and you are swapping your own indoctrination for that of the Church's.

That's excatly what I want... Not to swap anything for anything... I want total freedom from all indoctrination.....

[phildee3]

If you turn to the following pages of the Good Book, The Biggest Secret you will find, Quoted from The Biggest Secret, Page 102, line 22 and 23. "There is no credible evidence whatsoever for the existence of Jesus........"

This is not "proof that Jesus never existed," as you say.

For the third time you fucing dorfus;
absence of evidence is not evidence of absence!

Icke has not proved that Jesus never existed.
He just says that his existance hasn't been proven.
In other words; - maybe he did, maybe he didn't.

[octopusrex]

Pig:

Absence of programing is another form of programing, dude.