Racist thinking is prominant in truthers.

[danrush]

http://www.dayofthekamikaze.com/images/kamikazegroup.jpg

http://www.nationalexpositor.com/files/19hijax_400.jpg

Why do the truthers show such racism in their arguments? It might surprise many that before Pearl Harbor, the U.S. Naval Acadamy taught it's cadets that the Japanese was an inferior soldier and a bad pilot of both ships and planes. His short stature made effective piloting difficult. His slanted eyes limited his ability to fight at night. To find targets at sea. To accuratly place bombs on targets.

Funny how the Acadamy missed the war in China. Their teachings were to be proven tragically wrong.

It's always been an American weakness to under-estimate adversaries based on some racial concept. Such is now at work in the truther movement who reduce Arabs to mentally defective, retard cave dwelling rock beaters incapable of intelligence, audacity, brilliance or discipline. However the history of Islamic terrorism shows that these people possess no lesser degree of human capability than others in the history of war.

How can one accomplish a search for the truth when they are clogged with such trash?

[whatsinaname]

You'll try anything won't you...

Laughable.

[lobuk]

And yet another Thread Fail from Dan.

Getting boring now Dan. :rolleyes:

[cathar]

Truthers ,IMHO,tend to be realistic ...and they have seen through the programming of TPTB...

Look around the world...the scandinavian countries have the best quality of life...

Haiti,the only black country in the western hemisphere ,has the lowest quality of life in the western hemisphere...

respectfully,cathetar

@ danflush,,,useing the Japanese as an example is a red herring...I think most of us here know the Japanese are a nice bunch of people,,and they make good cars,,,also...:),,i love asian food,,and asian movies,,,

so danny boy,,you might want to come up with some better BS,,,

[ragnarok]

Is that a straw red herring that danrush is waving about?

I'll give him 3 out of 10, because I think he's cute.

[danrush]

danflush,,,useing the Japanese as an example is a red herring...I think most of us here know the Japanese are a nice bunch of people,,and they make good cars,,,also...,,i love asian food,,and asian movies

And yet another Thread Fail from Dan.

Getting boring now Dan.

When you can't match, insult and run away. Typical of truthers.

[cess]

Now that Dan has proven that he's only here to stir things up, let's ignore him and he'll go away.

[pound]

http://www.somecrap.com/downloads/images/boards/fail3.gif

[onourway]

Retard rock beaters.........classic dan...:D

[danrush]

Retard rock beaters.........classic dan...

No....classic truther racism.

[fast eddie]

No....classic truther racism.

That's right, I say in every post that Muslims are rock beaters. I'm busted.

You're really wearing that straw man out, Danster.

[montag]

Such is now at work in the truther movement who reduce Arabs to mentally defective, retard cave dwelling rock beaters incapable of intelligence, audacity, brilliance or discipline. However the history of Islamic terrorism shows that these people possess no lesser degree of human capability than others in the history of war.
Please define truther movement..

Most people on this forum are individuals looking for truth, we're are not a movement. Have a look around this board, you'll be lucky to find any two people agree on anything in particular.:p

Anyway, interesting perspective in your post, you do raise a valid point although I believe their flying experience was very limited according to reports, so skin color is irrelevant even Steve McQueen couldn't have pulled off those maneuvers with that little flight experience IMHO..

[ultima1]

No....classic truther racism.

Classic troll. Post nothing, post no facts and evidence just troll and run.

Good luck with the trolling.

[lobuk]

Classic troll. Post nothing, post no facts and evidence just troll and run.

Good luck with the trolling.

Spot on. ;)

[dave52]

Anyway, interesting perspective in your post

Oh come on Montag, he's just baiting. Remind me to frame comments in an interesting way next time I troll.

[ragnarok]

He might be a troll in meat space, and if that is the case, he's just expressing his beliefs.

Nobody is forced to respond to him, even if some may feel compelled.

The way I see it is, if they are entertaining and also provoke serious discussion - even if it is unintentional on their part - let's keep them. I'll volunteer to feed one, and wipe up its shit.

But, if they are as entertaining as a game of noughts and crosses, and/or try to press people's anger/hate buttons, then they should be chased off the premises with pitchforks... blazing torch optional.

We're coming for you, dan.

[dave52]

Nobody is forced to respond to him, even if some may feel compelled.

This is true, and I haven't responded to him (and have given up on Chicken as well).

[rodin]

http://www.dayofthekamikaze.com/images/kamikazegroup.jpg

http://www.nationalexpositor.com/files/19hijax_400.jpg

Why do the truthers show such racism in their arguments? It might surprise many that before Pearl Harbor, the U.S. Naval Acadamy taught it's cadets that the Japanese was an inferior soldier and a bad pilot of both ships and planes. His short stature made effective piloting difficult. His slanted eyes limited his ability to fight at night. To find targets at sea. To accuratly place bombs on targets.

Funny how the Acadamy missed the war in China. Their teachings were to be proven tragically wrong.

It's always been an American weakness to under-estimate adversaries based on some racial concept. Such is now at work in the truther movement who reduce Arabs to mentally defective, retard cave dwelling rock beaters incapable of intelligence, audacity, brilliance or discipline. However the history of Islamic terrorism shows that these people possess no lesser degree of human capability than others in the history of war.

How can one accomplish a search for the truth when they are clogged with such trash?

So who will follow my example and put this torag on ignore?

[danrush]

Classic troll. Post nothing, post no facts and evidence just troll and run.

Same as the truthers. I post evidence and you run and troll.

So who will follow my example and put this torag on ignore?

Perfect way to avoid debate...run for the hills.

[lobuk]

Same as the truthers. I post evidence and you run and troll.

Perfect way to avoid debate...run for the hills.

You are so wrong Dan.

It is yourself that has ignored almost every bit of evidence that does not fit in with your rigid beliefs and that is because you are only here to disrupt.

This is for you Oh Danny Boy.

Danny Boy Ireland - YouTube

Danny Boy Ireland - YouTube

[ultima1]

Same as the truthers. I post evidence and you run and troll.

What evidence? What evidence have you posted?

Perfect way to avoid debate...run for the hills.

You are the one who keeps repeating about race insted of debating the facts and evidence.

Why can't you debate facts?

[danrush]

Why can't you debate facts?

Fact: The four Arab hijackers had enough training to fly the aircraft.

Fact: The four hijackers had equal the capacity and discipline as WWII Kamikaze to fly and carry out their mission.

Fact: The four hijackers were human beings with equal capability and capacity for carrying out their operation as any human with average and unhindered mental capacity.

Why can't you accept truth?

I've given more than enough visual evidence to prove that airliners are well built aircraft capable of fast low level flights, simple aerobatics and well able to handle the stresses employed on them on September 11th, you chose to ignore that evidence be it for political/idiological motivation, racism or just flat out adherence to being a parrot for people who hide their motivations behind their so called official titles.

[thedefender]

Post supporting evidence dan.

[quetzalcoatl]

So going by the logic of examples offered, surely ya juz mean American truthers?? :rolleyes: - LMFAO! :D

[ultima1]

Fact: The four Arab hijackers had enough training to fly the aircraft.

Debunked from flight traing school instructors. Fact is that at least one only had 100 hours of flight time.

Fact: The four hijackers had equal the capacity and discipline as WWII Kamikaze to fly and carry out their mission.

You should know the difference between a Japanese Zero and Boeing 757/767.

Also the fact that the Zeros hit the ships with the nose that had the strongest part of the plane, the engine.

The 757/767 hit the building with the waekest part of the plane, the composite radome of the nose.

Fact: The four hijackers were human beings with equal capability and capacity for carrying out their operation as any human with average and unhindered mental capacity.

Except for the fact of doing moves in the planes that senior pilots debate.

Why can't you accept truth?

Could ask you the same question.

I've given more than enough visual evidence to prove that airliners are well built aircraft capable of fast low level flights, simple aerobatics and well able to handle the stresses employed on them on September 11th,

You fail when it comes to basic avaition, you know nothing about the basic flight principles such as ground effect and compressiblity.

you chose to ignore that evidence be it for political/idiological motivation, racism or just flat out adherence to being a parrot for people who hide their motivations behind their so called official titles.

You should practice what you preach and not ignore the evidence and being a parrot of what you have been told happened.

[lobuk]

you chose to ignore that evidence be it for political/idiological motivation, racism or just flat out adherence to being a parrot for people who hide their motivations behind their so called official titles.

Well there's a surprise.

Not heard Dan saying that before. :rolleyes: :rolleyes: :rolleyes:

[danrush]

You fail when it comes to basic avaition, you know nothing about the basic flight principles such as ground effect and compressiblity.

You fail to explain the conspiracy of the jewish illuminadi and how they so swiftly placed airplane parts, fabricated films, rigged explosives and knew precisely what floors to send the planes into.

[ultima1]

You fail to explain the conspiracy of the jewish illuminadi and how they so swiftly placed airplane parts, fabricated films, rigged explosives and knew precisely what floors to send the planes into.

I never stated thier was a conspiracy. Since when is looking for the truth a conspiracy?

[thedefender]

The individual is handicapped by coming face-to-face with a conspiracy so monstrous he cannot believe it exists. – J Edgar Hoover

He was a weird character....but what he said is the truth.

[lobuk]

The individual is handicapped by coming face-to-face with a conspiracy so monstrous he cannot believe it exists. – J Edgar Hoover

He was a weird character....but what he said is the truth.

Hear, hear

[ex sheep]

So who will follow my example and put this torag on ignore?
I wish I could, you lot are so lucky, you can just press that ignore button and he slides away from the forum :(

[lobuk]

I wish I could, you lot are so lucky, you can just press that ignore button and he slides away from the forum :(

Yeah but you guys are lucky too because you can hit the Ban Button LoL. :D

[danrush]

Yeah but you guys are lucky too because you can hit the Ban Button LoL.

"Run away! Run away!"

[lobuk]

"Run away! Run away!"

Run Away my arse.

Are you about 10 years old?

You are only here to disrupt and you owe many decent people an apology for your disgusting disrespectful behaviour in every single post you have written.

[ragnarok]

One thing I've not seen explained about the Pentagon incident is, why wasn't there 2(or is it 4?) punch holes? The toughest part of a jet after the black box, is its engines. If the sheer momentum of the jet was what caused the plane to penetrate so far into the building, one would expect parts of the engines to be at the extremeties of this damage. :confused:

It seems the path along the direction where the plane's nose entered the Pentagon, should actually be the least damaged, wouldn't you think?

[ultima1]

one would expect parts of the engines to be at the extremeties of this damage. :confused:

Supposidly one of the engines hit the generator trailer in front of the Pentagon and it was ripped off. But this would also mean there should be wing drag marks leading up to the building from the trailer.

It seems the path along the direction where the plane's nose entered the Pentagon, should actually be the least damaged, wouldn't you think?

As proven the nose would have not survived impacting the building.

It was just the mass of the plane that carried some parts into the building.

Another question is that if the passengers were all forced to the back of the plane then bodies should have been found either outside the buidling or right inside the building and not together in the middle of the building.

[camreeno]

It's always been an American weakness to under-estimate adversaries based on some racial concept. Such is now at work in the truther movement who reduce Arabs to mentally defective, retard cave dwelling rock beaters incapable of intelligence, audacity, brilliance or discipline. However the history of Islamic terrorism shows that these people possess no lesser degree of human capability than others in the history of war.

How can one accomplish a search for the truth when they are clogged with such trash?There are numerous problems here. First of all, by enlarge virtually no one in the 9/11 truth movement belives it was an inside job because of some racial inferiority of Arabs. It has nothing to do with this, and I'm sure you either made that up on the spot (by guessing) or you're drawing that conclusion based on some experience with a few 9/11 truthers.

This has nothing to do with race and has everything to do with funding and resources. (The Department of Defence with a budget of tens of billions of dollars each year, vs. miltimillions produced by Islamic fundamentalist groups. Sounds reasonable to think they didn't do it)

Amazing how you even fetched pictures and took the time to write a pretentious and pompous comment when it's based on such a blatant misconception. Who specifically in the 9/11 truth movement holds that view?

Aside from race, funding, and capabilities... Let's just look at the evidence that 9/11 was an inside job:


record put options were placed on American Airlines and United Airlines stock on the days leading to 9/11
pools of molten metal were found at the base of WTC1, 2, and 7, when this is impossible under conditions of office fires and jet fuel
Over 80 security cameras filmed the Pentagon incident but not one of them has been released showing (supposedly) flight 77
thousands of witnesses reported hearing explosives, including many firefighters and policemen, going off in WTC1, 2, and 7, even long before any collapsed
NORAD was ordered to stand down - the only time in its history, even though it scrambles jets over 100 times a year to intersept astray planes

[ultima1]

"Run away! Run away!"

Yes you do run away from the real facts and evidence and keep bringing up race.

Nice dodge.

[merlincove]

Yes you do run away from the real facts and evidence and keep bringing up race.

Nice dodge.

it is a ploy used by many - the ADL are well known to work anti Semitic lines where anti Semiticism was not a prevalent factor in the original argument / discussion - it is a fantastic diversary tactic used to destroy all discussion.

Speak out about the Rothschild’s and you are being anti-Semitic. Speak out against Obama and you are being racist. It doesn't matter that the Rothschild’s and Obhaaama are pushing a Zionist agenda, lying to the people and covertly manipulating a war against not only the Palestinian people, but the Arab peoples in general: it doesn't matter that Obhaaama and the Rothschild dynasties are actually perpetrating a Jihad against the Muslim world, just like both Bush Jnr and Snr did in their times in office, a Jihad war that Regan and Rumsfield helped usher in from the genesis of Israel’s creation – the real roots of which can be traced back to the opening of the first World War! The Holy War has been driving the hand of politics for over a century – at the very least and 911 seemed to be an epoch in a grande scheme to deliver the play of open warfare and overt control of Muslim countries.

But the ADL’s drive that any mention of such is deformation, when what such understanding really is, is the opening the door to a truth that agencies like the ADL would rather be kept closed - because when you study the deeper connotations of what 911 was all about, it blows open up the door to a wide arena of terror that has been bought about by the very administration that claims to have been victim.

I remember when 911 happened, my daughter was seven years old, and when she came over to stay she said to me ‘Daddy, they say that they found a Koran and a letter from one of the men who crashed the plane, in a car parked at the airport… But anyone could have put those there.’

I wasn’t at all into conspiracies at the time, and I can say that it was 911 and David’s book, Alice in Wonderland, that really opened my eyes to the bigger picture – and I still remember my daughters words as being very touching, and from the mouth of an innocent, they really hit home the enormity of the lie they were trying to sell us, and I thought, if a seven year old can get that, then why are people buying this bullshit?

And rather than face the bullshit, people will use whatever they can to turn the light away from facts that clearly say ‘You Were Lied To,’ and divert attention from those points that are uncomfortable.

Just like the ADL don’t want to see that the Zionist agenda is forcing war upon the Palestinian people, not the Israeli people, but the Zionist agenda (big difference) - the use of the arguments discussing the inabilities of the alleged pilots to pilot those planes at the recorded heights and speeds is somehow racist against Arabs?

It wouldn’t matter what race or nationality the pilots were, if they were incapable of flying a single engined plane at less than 100 knots, then it stands to reason that it would be impossible for them to pilot a plane 10 times heavier at 530mph at a height well below the planes operating ceiling (ie in thicker / denser air that it was not designed to fly in at full speed) – it doesn’t matter what their race, if it is impossible, it is impossible.

[kahn2010]

Fact: The four Arab hijackers had enough training to fly the aircraft.

Fact: The four hijackers had equal the capacity and discipline as WWII Kamikaze to fly and carry out their mission.



1) No they didnt. Infact, one of the supposed 'hijackers' had been taking flying lessons inthe USA. The flight instructor came forward and actually said that he couldnt have flown the plane as he couldnt even keep a one engined propeller driver plane in a straight line for more than a few seconds! let alone handle it at such low altitudes and keep the plane from tearing itself apart.

2) The reason the japanese pilots were kamikaze was because they COULDNT fly a plane very well. Why waste time training a pilot when all he's gonna do is kill himself?

3) Go on the pilots for 9/11 truth site. They tell you how the speeds the planes were travelling are impossible for normal Boeing 757/767's. They would, without a shadow of a doubt, torn themselves apart due to air resistance and countless other factors. You cant deny that cos it comes from aviation experts a pilots themselves.

[chickenlittle]

’I wasn’t at all into conspiracies at the time, and I can say that it was 911 and David’s book, Alice in Wonderland, that really opened my eyes to the bigger picture – and I still remember my daughters words as being very touching, and from the mouth of an innocent, they really hit home the enormity of the lie they were trying to sell us, and I thought, if a seven year old can get that, then why are people buying this bullshit?

With all due respect merlincove, and hopefully I can say this without censorship; in my view David Icke's books are not a reliable source of information, nor do they have much to do with true awakening. True awakening goes beyond fear, projection, blame and divisiveness; true awakening does not indulge in hostile, destructive fantasies and magic thinking. I would refer readers to Eckhart Tolle's work to understand the egoic mechanism of blame and projection, and its destructiveness in the world today. There's also A Course In Miracles, Byron Katie, J. Krishnamurti, The Tao Te Ching, Meister Eckhart, Rumi, Advaita Vedanta such as Ramana or Nisargadatta, Zen such as Shunyru Suzuki. And there are many other teachers and traditions, that have excellent pointers to truth and awakening.

[merlincove]

CL, i think the term 'awakening,' used in context is awakening to the lies and the covert control that has been implemented on the masses by those in control rather than a spiritual awakening - such books as you list fall into the later, whereas my use of the term refers to the former :D

i'm not hooked on books that aid one toward spiritual awakening, because i feel that beyond a kick-start (which they embody perfectly) awakening of Self is best applied from Self rather than from an external source - no one can really tell you what your truth is - only self can do that, but those books do form a base from which to begin, for sure.

The exposure of lies, and why those lies are apparent is very much what the 911 sub forum here is about, and i think we do deal with that pretty well, because it is clear to me, and many others, that lies have been perpetrated by the very organisation and its administrations that claim to be liberating the world from tyranny - and indeed much of that liberation is in effect because of those lies. Many of the worlds ill's can be traced back and seen reflected in the agenda to cause destabilisation in the middle east and indeed actually cause and maintain an overt war against the Muslim countries of the world - 911 was 'simply' another facet of that war drive.

It seems more and more probable that the planes were not piloted by the individuals who received blame at the publication of the 911 commissions report, as evidence giving rise to their abilities - or more importantly their inability to fly a plane has been given by their instructors, but also compelling information pertaining to the structural integrity of the planes suggesting that such flights given the speeds and heights delivered were imposable by aviation experts. We also have to look at how well the attacks were orchestrated and how exactly the targets were not only found but hit, and given the huge probabilities of failure on both accounts when weighed with the pilots abilities and suggested structural dissemination of the planes being used at maximum capacity well bellow their safe operating ceilings we can conclude that either the official report is in error, that it is a lie, or that what happened on 911 differed greatly in respect of who is to blame and what machinery was used to eventuate the attacks in Washington and New York.


We really do need to be asking the questions that if the planes were not piloted by inexperienced pilots, or indeed if the planes used were not of the type and model suggested, then somewhere along the line we were lied to.

But more than that, what interests me is why were lied to and the future (what is actually now, the present) ramifications of that and how those ramifications fit into the Zionist controlled war that has been fought in the middle eastern arena for almost a century.

And I think for the most part, that arena, and the structuring that has occurred through applied funding and manipulation over the years since the closure of WW2 is being overlooked in favour of the opening gambits played out in Afghanistan and Iraq – which are just the most recent stages of a massive plan.

Blaming Bin Laden seemed to be the set premise of 911, when I’d certainly question the links to Bin Laden in the attacks, given that the most compelling link are the operatives who were said to have piloted the planes, and the suggestions that their role in the 911 attacks has no plausibility given their experience (but again, their inexperience) to fly planes and the planes own abilities to be flown in the conditions put forward.

As has been said repeatedly, and conveniently ignored, how can a man who by the admission of his own flight instructors, had trouble flying and controlling a single propeller-engined aircraft fly a jet airliner in a wide loop over highly protected airspace to hit the Pentagon in one of the most audacious attacks of 911? And not only that, but do so at a time when the country was clearly under attack, and would have been on high alert for at least half an hour, and more likely for 45 minutes given the attacks in New York?

And bear in mind that the air space above Washington is perhaps the most protected air space in the world, and yet an inexperienced pilot was able to evade all counter measures set in place for his attack and execute a flight at sea level at a speed the plane was designed to fly at a 35000 feet ceiling.

We are asked to believe that inexperienced pilots were able to execute flights over New York and strike the WTC with precision – feats that experienced pilots with 1000’s of hours flight experience evidently say they would have found impossible.

And we are asked to believe these startling facts, so that Bin Laden can be blamed. The only reason Bin Laden can be blamed is actually the Zionists push to alienate the Muslim world in the eyes of the west, so that they could further their alienation and genocide of the Muslim world.

[dave52]

With all due respect

I'm always reminded of my father when I hear this. He always says "I'm not racist but...", and then, more often than not, goes into the sort of tirade that would make Hitler blush.

At the risk of repeating Merlincove, true awakening is a totally personal thing and is impossible to define for anyone other than yourself.

[chickenlittle]

CL, i think the term 'awakening,' used in context is awakening to the lies and the covert control that has been implemented on the masses by those in control rather than a spiritual awakening - such books as you list fall into the later, whereas my use of the term refers to the former :D


OK, I hear you. In reference to David Icke's work that you mentioned, he uses the premise of some type of spiritual awakening, or conscious evolution whatever you want to refer to it as; as a basis for understanding the world of conspiracies as he sees it. That's appears to be the underlying theme for all his work. Now I know there are other truthers that don't share this philosophy.

But my point is that truth is truth, reality is reality, and one must come to grips with what is actually reality, yes it is a personal experience that one must find out for his or herself, but reality is actually non negotiable, it does not change merely because we have a different perception of it, there are many perceptions of the one reality. So my point is that any philosophy that is out of touch with the reality of what truly is, the non negotiable truth of the universe, however one describes that; will not be able to theorize or postulate what is happening in the world without a distorted perception.

[ultima1]

But my point is that truth is truth, reality is reality, and one must come to grips with what is actually reality.

As you state truth is truth. So why is that so many people that believe the official story only go by what the media tells then instead of finding the truth?

The reallity is that the majority of evidence and FBI crime scene reports have not been released, so people stating they know the truth from the official story are being very dishonset to themselves and others.

[merlincove]

And, to get back to topic..... :rolleyes:



And we are asked to believe these startling facts, so that Bin Laden can be blamed. The only reason Bin Laden can be blamed is actually the Zionists push to alienate the Muslim world in the eyes of the west, so that they could further their alienation and genocide of the Muslim world.

And yet in choosing to suggest that Arabs were not responsible for the 911 attacks, in choosing to suggest that the Muslim world is not the aggressor here, the OP actually suggests that truthers are being racist in their view!

In repost to the OP: we are asked to believe that Muslims were responsible for the attacks of 911 by the American Gvt administration and the 911 commissions report detailing the lie that novice pilots were somehow able to fly planes well outside of their safe operating altitude at maximum speed when we have clear and defined testimonies from:


A) the hijackers flight training instructors who tell us that the 'pilots' could not fly even a single engined training aircraft with any degree of safety or control, and


B) testimonies from time served pilots saying that the planes could not fly that low and that fast, even if piloted by experienced pilots.


If anyone wishes to point the finger of racism, then i suggest that their finger be levelly pointed at those who penned the 911 commissions report – for it is that documents authors who have levelled the blame of these attacks against the Arabic and Muslim world, and the American administration that has perpetrated a lie to further its own interests in the Middle East. If you want to find the racists then look at those who play the racist card in the face of arguments and points they can not counter.

Who is being racist here? the truther who isn't convinced that Bin Laden orchestrated these attacks due to the lack of evidence to support the claim, or those who initiate the claim?


The official report blames Arabs for the attacks of 911.


The official report pins the blame for these attacks on Bin Laden.


The American and British administrations launch an attack against Afghanistan, an attack which resulted in the deaths of many hundreds of innocent civilians, and an orchestrated a prolonged initiative against Bin Laden who has seemingly managed to avoid what is arguably the most advanced and technological war machine ever amassed for almost ten years.


Hundreds if not thousands of Afghani civilians have been wrongly targeted and killed by this war machine, I think the catch phrase has been ‘collateral damage’ - apparently.


Is it really racist to suggest that Arabs did not commit the atrocities of 911?

Is it really racist to ask what proof there is that Bin Laden was to blame?

Is it really racist to question the deaths of innocent civilians murdered by the war machine in Afghanistan adn Iraq?

Is it really racist to point the fingers of blame to a hidden elite who manipulate the worlds political agenda's to further a continued Jihad against the Muslim world?

Is it really racist to want to find answers to in some way appease the families who suffered great and unimaginable loss on 911?

And with the continued one sided attack against the Muslim world in retribution for the 911 attacks, which Iran has very publicly said was carried out BY America to preserve American interests and rescue the American economy - with all this the OP suggests that truthers are being some how racist for suggesting that Arabs were not responsible?

[chickenlittle]

merlincove, I'm sorry that 9/11 lead to warfare, it is certainly a tragedy, and the bad CIA intelligence that led to the Iraq war is an abomination that deserves investigation and prosecution.

But none of that changes the fact Al-Qaeda terrorists crashed the planes. And furthermore Al-Qaeda has openly claimed responsibility for this, it is a feather in their ideological cap, so they don't feel wrongly blamed. In fact they are angered by the rumors that deny them credit for it.

As for the race issue, well that seems to be the sad underbelly of many Conspiracy Theories, anti-semitism does surface often; which is just a form of scapegoating. It's not surprising when Iran's leader does it because of the ongoing problems in the Middle East, but it is more shocking when Americans do it, I thought we were beyond such hatreds and suspicions of Zionist plots and puppet governments etc.

And conspiracy theorists, don't kid yourselves, this conspiracy theory talk does not honor the victims of 9/11. Most of the families of the victims I heard from are outraged and saddened by the Conspiracy talk.

But it seems to me that the conspiracy theorists can't help doing what they are doing, many of them are functioning like robots, misinformation in and misinformation out; so in that sense they need forgiveness. As one well known prophet stated, "forgive them for they know not what they do".

OK signing off for the night.
Take Care

[merlincove]

Being anti-Zionist is not the same as anti semetic, CL.

Just like being anti muslim fundamentalist is not the same as being anti muslim.

Muslim fundamentalists are terrorists, simple - and likewise, Zionists are terrorists.

The zionist agenda has perped a war against Palestine sinse the creation of Israel, it furthers a war against Muslims in Afghanistan and Iraq. It has nothing to do with Jews, in fact the zionists are using the attrocities that have been waged against the Jewish peoples to further their own agenda, and many Jewish people stand stoinchly against Zionism.

You really have to define the difference between extremist fundamentalism and generic people of faith who live with love and compassion as many Jewish people and Muslim people do.

Being against extremists of any kind is absolutely not about race, but about being opposed to extremist actions.

:D

**************

Please post the video where Bin Laden claims he orchestrated the 911 attacks.

[ultima1]

merlincove, I'm sorry that 9/11 lead to warfare, it is certainly a tragedy, and the bad CIA intelligence that led to the Iraq war is an abomination that deserves investigation and prosecution.

The US had warnings from several foregn and domestic intell agencies that somethign was going to happen involving hijackings.

But none of that changes the fact Al-Qaeda terrorists crashed the planes. And furthermore Al-Qaeda has openly claimed responsibility for this, it is a feather in their ideological cap, so they don't feel wrongly blamed. In fact they are angered by the rumors that deny them credit for it.

Throughout history groups have claimed responsiblity for things they did not do.

The FBI and DOJ have stated that there is not enough evidence to charge OBL (Al-Qaeda) for being behind 9/11 as proven by 9/11 not being a charge on the list of charges against OBL on the FBI webpage.

Most of the families of the victims I heard from are outraged and saddened by the Conspiracy talk.

Funny most of the families i know also question the official story.


But it seems to me that the conspiracy theorists can't help doing what they are doing, many of them are functioning like robots, misinformation in and misinformation out.

Funny, seems to me the people that believe the official stroy are acting like robots only believeing what someone tells them instead of thinking for themselves.

How can they believe the official story when most of the evidence and FBI crime scene reports have not been released?

[camreeno]

Prominant? You mean prominent?

[skudo]

What evidence? What evidence have you posted?



You are the one who keeps repeating about race insted of debating the facts and evidence.

Why can't you debate facts?

Because he is to busy calling people racist.

[skudo]

Fact: The four hijackers were human beings with equal capability and capacity for carrying out their operation as any human with average and unhindered mental capacity.

I would seriously debate this point.As far as I am concerned they were not HUMAN.

[merlincove]

Fact: The four hijackers were human beings with equal capability and capacity for carrying out their operation as any human with average and unhindered mental capacity.

I would seriously debate this point.As far as I am concerned they were not HUMAN.

Also i feel that, in the case of the 911 hijackers, a group of individuals who were flying to their deaths may very well be considered to be opperating in highly stressfull conditions and as such they weren't flying unhindered at all.

And not only were these hijackers' lack the skill and expertese to fly 757 / 767's, i would say that they could not even be compared to pilots of average ability - and yet we are expected to believe that pilots of below average abilities, with zero hours flying time in large passenger jet airliners, were somehow able to pilot those planes to execute manovres and dynamics well beyond their design flight capabilities, but do so without aparent error. they had only one shot at their targets, and yet despite never having flown the planes before, managed to take over the controls and pilot their aircraft into the twin towers and pentagon perfectly.

And it is these seemingly simple facts that are conviniently put to one side in the discussion, because those potatoes are too hot to handle.

:D

[skudo]

Also i feel that, in the case of the 911 hijackers, a group of individuals who were flying to their deaths may very well be considered to be opperating in highly stressfull conditions and as such they weren't flying unhindered at all.

And not only were these hijackers' lack the skill and expertese to fly 757 / 767's, i would say that they could not even be compared to pilots of average ability - and yet we are expected to believe that pilots of below average abilities, with zero hours flying time in large passenger jet airliners, were somehow able to pilot those planes to execute manovres and dynamics well beyond their design flight capabilities, but do so without aparent error. they had only one shot at their targets, and yet despite never having flown the planes before, managed to take over the controls and pilot their aircraft into the twin towers and pentagon perfectly.

And it is these seemingly simple facts that are conviniently put to one side in the discussion, because those potatoes are too hot to handle.

:D

I couldn't agree with you more.When I say they were not human I should elaborate on this statement by saying they were not human if they were truly resposible for that act.Anyone that would even contemplate such an act could not be cosidered part of the human race.I agree with you that there are far too many things that can't be explained,and I do not believe people such as us will ever be told the truth.