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foreverspirit
27-02-2007, 04:59 AM
ETs and Ancient Astronauts are Illuminati Propaganda

article extracted from Truth Campaign issue 25 with additional material

Foreword by Ivan Fraser


Over the last 30 years or so there has been increasing interest in the 'ancient astronaut' thesis. Although this fascination with 'real' alien visitors essentially hit mainstream consciousness with the works of Erik Von Daniken and Zecharia Sitchin, the population has been mentally prepared for the aliens since the beginning of the 20th century by science-fiction in books, comics, movies and tv shows. It is so innate to our collective psyche today that there are very few who do not relate the idea of UFOs to extra-terrestrial beings, and have an immediate mental image of the 'greys' and the similar spindly beings of Spielberg's Close Encounters, or Whitley Streiber's Communion, as their archetypal representation of these same off-world entities.

Today there are numerous TV documentaries asking the questions about whether or not we are being visited by extra-terrestrial beings, and countless books and websites promoting 'the truth' about our alien co-inhabitees of the universe. Furthermore, any amount of New Age psychics and channellers are also preaching 'the word' as 'given to them' by ET cousins.

Given that the universe is such a massive place, and given that there is so much material and evidence for ETs and their activities, isn't it verging on insanity to suggest that there may actually be another reason entirely for such things? How can all of these experiences, books, scholars, and even currently a growing number of scientists and government 'insiders' be mistaken?

Well, one could summarize that briefly, and one would make no impact on a mind that has already taken the view expressed above. But I would sincerely hope that as it takes an open mind to accept such conventionally outlandish ideas as alien visitation, the reader would try and remain equally open-minded, in assessing the contents of what follows.

'But we've read a thousand books on the subject. There is no doubt. Even if they aren't all entirely accurate, one thing's for sure - the common element - and that is ETs exist and they are visiting this planet, have been for centuries, and probably have an agenda for our future.'

To suggest otherwise is heresy. Right?

At least it is increasingly so these days. Ever wondered about that; how something so suppressed and 'true' should be so increasingly accepted by the mainstream, when all along we have been told that 'they' don't want us to know this?

What if such a mindset has been engineered? What if it is being designed in such a way that the entire alien visitor scenario is what the powers-that-be WANT us to replace our religions and belief systems with?

But why? Surely there's a history of government and Intel suppression of this information? They wouldn't hide and suppress what they want us to believe would they?

Well, yes. Firstly, they aren't hiding it! They are steadily creating an air of mystery and allowing us to come to the very conclusions that we are. It's reverse psychology really. And the Illuminati know all about how to control mass mentality.

If all this was so secret, do you really think that all these 'insiders' would still be free and on talk shows, in magazines, and books spreading this top-secret material, having signed national security agreements? Would there be so much availability of this supposedly 'secret' subject in mainstream media? The same media that clearly manages to heavily suppress and distort most of the other material that concerns those in the 'conspiracy' area.

Why, if history shows us that the first UFO organisations that were accusing the CIA and governments of covering up the truth of alien visitors, were actually CIA and government agents, should we believe that suddenly, today, everything they told us was true?

The earliest pro-ET lobbyists were organisations such as NICAP (the National Investigations Committee on Aerial Phenomena), which were riddled with former military and Intelligence personnel, such as Donald Keyhoe, a former Pentagon Major involved in investigating the German UFO technology during WW2, Roscoe Hillenkoetter a former CIA director, and several CIA Psychological Warfare Division personnel, such as Joseph Bryan etc. These are the people who, from the outset of the ET myth, were actively creating it!

And why should the CIA and governments have been so interested in ploughing energy into creating UFO groups and cults, if what they say is true? Clearly there's something big belying this agenda, and it certainly is not what those agents told us was going on. The one thing we can be damned sure of is that it isn't alien visitation.

For decades following WW2, the major aeronautics companies such as Boeing and Lockheed, were engaged in the development of saucer-shaped craft (this really took off, excuse the pun, after 1957) . These craft, and more conventional, though secret, craft were being tested; U2 spyplanes, and others were being mobilized, and the CIA had found a way to confuse the Soviets, and the general populace, by hiding these craft in plain sight. Eye-witnesses' stories were spun into tales of extraterrestrial encounters, the news media and magazines like Time and Life had stories planted by the CIA, wherein 'anonymous' government and intelligence sources were 'spilling the beans' on extraterrestrial visitation in saucer-shaped craft. CIA groups like NICAP (subliminally, this rearranges into PANIC!) were lobbying furiously in public and gathering a pro-ET following, actively accusing the government of covering up ET visitation. On the other side of the equation, the government and military were continually officially denying the entire UFO-ET connection, thereby giving the populace the impression that it was 'hiding the truth' about the extraterrestrial visitors.

Later, solitary eye-witnesses would be sometimes abducted and false memories and crude chip devices implanted, so that they would become star witnesses and prophets in an ever-growing new religion of extraterrestrial close encounter-based cultism. The development of ET-based cults was largely a blowback from the disinformation exercise, wherein those of a religious disposition would find other avenues to receive their saviours and satisfy their need for a 'higher power'. Other cult groups would be actively created and encouraged, such as those following the Council of Nine - a council of 9 gods channelled through 'chosen ones' - chosen ones chosen and tutored under the wing of Andrija Puharich, a psychologist formerly (?) part of the CIA's MK-ULTRA mind-control project, specialising in developing drug, radio and hypnotic methods to implant signals directly into the brain!

Despite the technicalities of Mind Control, advanced engineering etc. this really is a simple swindle - although the simplest swindles are often the most effective. The governments and the Intelligence agencies are operating at a high level in concert - the one side denying the position of the other, but both acting by admission or omission to promote in the minds of the public the 'overwhelming evidence' that ETs are visiting Earth in UFOs. It is a swindle that has been sustained for the last half a century. Why mess with a winning formula?

Why do so many people, even those well-versed in UFO lore, not know that the alien stories ORIGINATED in the Intelligence community, when they are also being told BY THE SAME community that the Intel and Govt. arena is deliberately HIDING these truths?

What kind of mental gymnastics does it take to accept that the government is hiding the truth, whilst relying on their agents FOR the information about ETs and UFOs?

The answer is simple: our minds and opinions are being manipulated AWAY from the truth by simple sleight-of-hand magicians' tricks. Whilst we are all looking at the interesting and enthralling spectacle, we are missing the real action, and failing to notice the simple way the deception is achieved. In doing so, we are continually speculating about all manner of conspiracies and hidden technologies, as well as occult realities that vested interests certainly do not want us delving into.

(LONG and INTRIGUING ARTICLE, FOR THE REST GO TO: http://www.ivanfraser.com/articles/c.../etagenda.html)

jmmk
27-06-2008, 08:14 PM
I think UFOS and ETs are not the ultimate truth but they do exist in this universe as
David explains in his books. People that take it up as a religion are misguided because
religion is an invention of this reality. I personally do not worship anything, I like things,
I love people. I have also personally seen and been visited by ETs at a young age
before I could read or watch a TV. Also, on two occassions, I witnessed craft up very
close and they were not of military intelligence(oxymoron).

duckingdafta
27-06-2008, 08:31 PM
I think anyone who uses people like Zecharia Sitchin as a source is instantly on the wrong path no matter how well the initial intentions were...next time he wants to write about ancient America, how about he get off his arse and ask a few of the tribes they took it from rather than sit watching discovery dvd's from a box set.
There is a definite media explosion with absolutely ANY story being brought out in an obvious conditioning way... makes me think of project bluebeam, but I know little of it.
I personally haven't even witnessed a UFO as such (seen things fly I can't identify, but not alien space ship), my partner says she has seen orbs though, we both are unsure as to alien/earth ownership but go with earth until more known.
We have both at the same time had alien contact as in them talking to us but not abduction so whatever your CIA and secret agents say, unless we were both mind conditioned manipulated with false memory and put back in the same position we started then I would have to believe the alien side of it here.. It's not exactly trigger/keywording, but these 'messages', everyone says they get when abducted tell you straight away if they are truthful or not, I will tell you I have NEVER heard ANYONE say the correct message yet... and only one ever came close.

2013
27-06-2008, 08:55 PM
I think anyone who uses people like Zecharia Sitchin as a source is instantly on the wrong path no matter how well the initial intentions were...next time he wants to write about ancient America, how about he get off his arse and ask a few of the tribes they took it from rather than sit watching discovery dvd's from a box set.
There is a definite media explosion with absolutely ANY story being brought out in an obvious conditioning way... makes me think of project bluebeam, but I know little of it.
I personally haven't even witnessed a UFO as such (seen things fly I can't identify, but not alien space ship), my partner says she has seen orbs though, we both are unsure as to alien/earth ownership but go with earth until more known.
We have both at the same time had alien contact as in them talking to us but not abduction so whatever your CIA and secret agents say, unless we were both mind conditioned manipulated with false memory and put back in the same position we started then I would have to believe the alien side of it here.. It's not exactly trigger/keywording, but these 'messages', everyone says they get when abducted tell you straight away if they are truthful or not, I will tell you I have NEVER heard ANYONE say the correct message yet... and only one ever came close.

Can you elaborate on this please .Its always interesting to hear of people experiences .:D

duckingdafta
27-06-2008, 09:23 PM
Can you elaborate on this please .Its always interesting to hear of people experiences .:D

It's also can be very dangerous as far as I see. I will leave out some detail.

November 1990, Bradford, My partner was expecting our 2nd child due in end Dec. the first child was 11 months old and asleep. We where both sat watching evening T.V. .. a program called 'Bruce's Generation Game'.
Half way through the program it went as usual to adverts and a particular advert i liked at the time came on and I wanted my partner to notice it more so I said to her something to the effect of "This is Peugeot ad I was on about", it was an advert for one of the Peugeot cars in which the music was Berlin's Take My Breath Away and the car was just setting fields afire driving past them..nothing special these days, I just liked it.
As we were watching the advert, it suddenly skipped off onto a weird look screen with scrambled coloured imagery on the screen and also a weird sound that didn't talk at you like a TV does but into you like you can just tell what's being said... whilst this was happening you had the feeling that you could look away if you wanted just didn't want to and ask anything you wanted just didn't seem to want to either... just listen for almost two hours... it felt no longer than the advert would have done except when it finished my partner and I just turned our heads and looked at each other just to verify we had both witnessed the same thing then went checking neighbours to see if anyone else experienced it.. and noticed it wasn't Bruce on TV and 1hr. 45mins later. We where soon questioned/ridiculed and then became silent over it... not by force, by choice.

I know it's not a brilliant story...but it is true. I have deliberately left out certain details... this is because I'm just not ready...and my partner doesn't like me writing this much.

who elsie
27-06-2008, 10:56 PM
I know it's not a brilliant story...but it is true.

Your wrong. It is a brilliant story. Not experienced anything like this myself, but met a woman once who experienced something similar while listening to the radio - Tony Blackburn, no less! Her and her sister didn't experience missing time, but both experienced some kind of time distortion, where suddenly Tony Blackburn's voice slowed, almost to a stop and their movements slowed up in the same way. This lasted just a few minutes and then they popped back to a normal state. Thought she was nuts at the time (quite a few years ago), when she told me, but perhaps it did happen. Always knew there was something odd about Tony Blackburn!

marpat
28-06-2008, 12:17 AM
I recently watched a documentary about this sort of thing and one guy was stating that the ET's created humans to do mining for them. My thinking was that if the can cross space then surely they would some machine that could mine for them a lot more productively than a caveman with an antler pick, unless early man had power drills and explosives or something. :D

What about all the early monuments attributed to spacemen? if humans have made these monuments then are we not selling our creative power short by saying such things are beyond human capability and have to be built by some alien?

Don't know about such things being propoganda but I do feel that some people need to believe in something beyond ourselves, even if it is ET's, gods, angels, whatever.

2013
28-06-2008, 12:32 AM
Interesting story i,ve had a few episodes of time shifting slowing down or showing me the past in slow motion but never missing time like that .Hopefully you can add more if you ever feel ready , i know what you mean its very personal baring your soul like this :DI used to get into a state where i was sat around 5.40 each evening i wasnt asleep but the tv would be on and i was always aware fo anyone else coming into and out of the room hear them talk or dialogue on tv .I would forget about it unti ljust before it started again and then wait for it ,out of interest no fear of it .I would see pictures on a tv screen but where my third eye is ,although my eyes where closed it felt like it was outside my head a few feet away .I could never accurately pinpoint what i was seeing .But since then several years later i fee lconvinced i was seeing future episodes of my life as it unfolded , as if implanting the info so i would recognise what path to follow

duckingdafta
28-06-2008, 01:00 AM
what is written by 'foreverspirit' still stands as truth in my eyes, I have to take in the possibility that although I am a nobody, I still maybe someone's experiment in mind control. remember I wrote my story of 'contact' not visitation... I would be surprised if was chosen for anything as I have nothing, so a 'Lab Rat' might be more credible to some as an alien contact memory implant... I HAVE to consider all possibilities if truth is to be found.
If 'foreverspirit' is the man I suspect he is, I feel guilty for writing so much on his thread as respect is due to the man in more ways than one.

marpat
28-06-2008, 01:02 AM
what is written by 'foreverspirit' still stands as truth in my eyes, I have to take in the possibility that although I am a nobody, I still maybe someone's experiment in mind control. remember i wrote my story of 'contact' not visitation... If 'foreverspirit' is the man I suspect he is, I feel guilty for writing so much on his thread as respect is due to the man in more ways than one.


It's an extract, he didn't write it.

duckingdafta
28-06-2008, 01:18 AM
It's an extract, he didn't write it.

I know that, I read it...He wrote it here I mean, but as a lazy speaker with crap Yorkshire I find I write as I speak.. nothing changes, what I say I mean.

jmmk
30-06-2008, 06:25 PM
I somehow think we can learn alot from animals,because they are not fooled by images
or projections. They can also sense things we cannot. Possibly, they are spiritual like
us. I feel very connected to animals, and I have an easiness with people's pets,even
sometimes wild ones. I feel very strongly we are being forced as a whole into an ever
maddening spiral of industry, technology and the interdimensional(draconian)way of
living.

Technological Progress is like an axe in the hands of a Pathological Criminal.-
Albert Einstein

marpat
30-06-2008, 07:02 PM
I know that, I read it...He wrote it here I mean, but as a lazy speaker with crap Yorkshire I find I write as I speak.. nothing changes, what I say I mean.

Yorkshire accents aren't bad. Lots of my family are Yorkies.

duckingdafta
30-06-2008, 08:48 PM
Yorkshire accents aren't bad. Lots of my family are Yorkies.

see... there is GOOD in the world!..lol

noewhan
01-07-2008, 01:56 PM
Over the last 30 years or so there has been increasing interest in the 'ancient astronaut' thesis...
essentially hit mainstream consciousness with the works of Erik Von Daniken and Zecharia Sitchin, the population has been mentally prepared for the aliens since the beginning of the 20th century by science-fiction in books, comics, movies and tv shows.

The answer is simple: our minds and opinions are being manipulated AWAY from the truth by simple sleight-of-hand magicians' tricks. Whilst we are all looking at the interesting and enthralling spectacle, we are missing the real action, and failing to notice the simple way the deception is achieved. In doing so, we are continually speculating about all manner of conspiracies and hidden technologies, as well as occult realities that vested interests certainly do not want us delving into.

(LONG and INTRIGUING ARTICLE, FOR THE REST GO TO: http://www.ivanfraser.com/articles/c.../etagenda.html)

Um, okay...

I might be off kilter.. But, 30 years is not much time really. It's beyond a thesis. The author missed out the cave drawings.
And the whole point of keeping this UFO/Alien/Free energy information a secret, is because if everyone knew or found out of how to leave Earth, well then the globalists have lost control over you.

By all means, I agree that there may be a few cases of the government creating a false alien op, to divert attention from certain events. But that doesn't mean you should ignore it.

Haha, I like the term 'simple answer' that's a good one.

jmmk
03-07-2008, 09:02 PM
The History Channel in the last couple of years has had many accounts of
pilots and seamen from all countries, as far back as WW II, of viewing UFOs
up close and even interacting with them. Also there is the Phenomenon of
USOs (Unidentified Submerged Objects) that have been chased by whole
Navies and fleets of ships only to disappear or make their torpedoes dis-
appear when fired upon. A fascinating book to read is 'The Complete Guide
To Mysterious Beings', author John Keel (The Mothman Prophecies).

noobcybot
06-07-2008, 06:37 PM
I think they probably exist in real and extradimensional states, people used to think even the idea of basic alien life on other planets was crazy and now most people accept that there is a good chance if the universe is indeed infinite.
The US government probably did use the UFO thing in the 50s to scare people into thinking that they needed the government more than they did.
The article does not really go anywhere in regards to proving the ancient astronauts thing to be untrue. I think the Old Testament does describe alien interaction on earth and the genetic manipulation to create humans as a race.
I definately think as others have posted, that aliens are not the whole truth and should not be worshipped.
Interestingly though me and a few other witnesses have seen an egg shaped ufo after I said a prayer that 'Prophet Yahweh' uses to summon spacecraft... make of that what you will.

romas
06-07-2008, 07:22 PM
ETs and Ancient Astronauts are Illuminati Propaganda

article extracted from Truth Campaign issue 25 with additional material

Foreword by Ivan Fraser


Over the last 30 years or so there has been increasing interest in the 'ancient astronaut' thesis. Although this fascination with 'real' alien visitors essentially hit mainstream consciousness with the works of Erik Von Daniken and Zecharia Sitchin, the population has been mentally prepared for the aliens since the beginning of the 20th century by science-fiction in books, comics, movies and tv shows. It is so innate to our collective psyche today that there are very few who do not relate the idea of UFOs to extra-terrestrial beings, and have an immediate mental image of the 'greys' and the similar spindly beings of Spielberg's Close Encounters, or Whitley Streiber's Communion, as their archetypal representation of these same off-world entities.

Today there are numerous TV documentaries asking the questions about whether or not we are being visited by extra-terrestrial beings, and countless books and websites promoting 'the truth' about our alien co-inhabitees of the universe. Furthermore, any amount of New Age psychics and channellers are also preaching 'the word' as 'given to them' by ET cousins.

Given that the universe is such a massive place, and given that there is so much material and evidence for ETs and their activities, isn't it verging on insanity to suggest that there may actually be another reason entirely for such things? How can all of these experiences, books, scholars, and even currently a growing number of scientists and government 'insiders' be mistaken?

Well, one could summarize that briefly, and one would make no impact on a mind that has already taken the view expressed above. But I would sincerely hope that as it takes an open mind to accept such conventionally outlandish ideas as alien visitation, the reader would try and remain equally open-minded, in assessing the contents of what follows.

'But we've read a thousand books on the subject. There is no doubt. Even if they aren't all entirely accurate, one thing's for sure - the common element - and that is ETs exist and they are visiting this planet, have been for centuries, and probably have an agenda for our future.'

To suggest otherwise is heresy. Right?

At least it is increasingly so these days. Ever wondered about that; how something so suppressed and 'true' should be so increasingly accepted by the mainstream, when all along we have been told that 'they' don't want us to know this?

What if such a mindset has been engineered? What if it is being designed in such a way that the entire alien visitor scenario is what the powers-that-be WANT us to replace our religions and belief systems with?

But why? Surely there's a history of government and Intel suppression of this information? They wouldn't hide and suppress what they want us to believe would they?

Well, yes. Firstly, they aren't hiding it! They are steadily creating an air of mystery and allowing us to come to the very conclusions that we are. It's reverse psychology really. And the Illuminati know all about how to control mass mentality.

If all this was so secret, do you really think that all these 'insiders' would still be free and on talk shows, in magazines, and books spreading this top-secret material, having signed national security agreements? Would there be so much availability of this supposedly 'secret' subject in mainstream media? The same media that clearly manages to heavily suppress and distort most of the other material that concerns those in the 'conspiracy' area.

Why, if history shows us that the first UFO organisations that were accusing the CIA and governments of covering up the truth of alien visitors, were actually CIA and government agents, should we believe that suddenly, today, everything they told us was true?

The earliest pro-ET lobbyists were organisations such as NICAP (the National Investigations Committee on Aerial Phenomena), which were riddled with former military and Intelligence personnel, such as Donald Keyhoe, a former Pentagon Major involved in investigating the German UFO technology during WW2, Roscoe Hillenkoetter a former CIA director, and several CIA Psychological Warfare Division personnel, such as Joseph Bryan etc. These are the people who, from the outset of the ET myth, were actively creating it!

And why should the CIA and governments have been so interested in ploughing energy into creating UFO groups and cults, if what they say is true? Clearly there's something big belying this agenda, and it certainly is not what those agents told us was going on. The one thing we can be damned sure of is that it isn't alien visitation.

For decades following WW2, the major aeronautics companies such as Boeing and Lockheed, were engaged in the development of saucer-shaped craft (this really took off, excuse the pun, after 1957) . These craft, and more conventional, though secret, craft were being tested; U2 spyplanes, and others were being mobilized, and the CIA had found a way to confuse the Soviets, and the general populace, by hiding these craft in plain sight. Eye-witnesses' stories were spun into tales of extraterrestrial encounters, the news media and magazines like Time and Life had stories planted by the CIA, wherein 'anonymous' government and intelligence sources were 'spilling the beans' on extraterrestrial visitation in saucer-shaped craft. CIA groups like NICAP (subliminally, this rearranges into PANIC!) were lobbying furiously in public and gathering a pro-ET following, actively accusing the government of covering up ET visitation. On the other side of the equation, the government and military were continually officially denying the entire UFO-ET connection, thereby giving the populace the impression that it was 'hiding the truth' about the extraterrestrial visitors.

Later, solitary eye-witnesses would be sometimes abducted and false memories and crude chip devices implanted, so that they would become star witnesses and prophets in an ever-growing new religion of extraterrestrial close encounter-based cultism. The development of ET-based cults was largely a blowback from the disinformation exercise, wherein those of a religious disposition would find other avenues to receive their saviours and satisfy their need for a 'higher power'. Other cult groups would be actively created and encouraged, such as those following the Council of Nine - a council of 9 gods channelled through 'chosen ones' - chosen ones chosen and tutored under the wing of Andrija Puharich, a psychologist formerly (?) part of the CIA's MK-ULTRA mind-control project, specialising in developing drug, radio and hypnotic methods to implant signals directly into the brain!

Despite the technicalities of Mind Control, advanced engineering etc. this really is a simple swindle - although the simplest swindles are often the most effective. The governments and the Intelligence agencies are operating at a high level in concert - the one side denying the position of the other, but both acting by admission or omission to promote in the minds of the public the 'overwhelming evidence' that ETs are visiting Earth in UFOs. It is a swindle that has been sustained for the last half a century. Why mess with a winning formula?

Why do so many people, even those well-versed in UFO lore, not know that the alien stories ORIGINATED in the Intelligence community, when they are also being told BY THE SAME community that the Intel and Govt. arena is deliberately HIDING these truths?

What kind of mental gymnastics does it take to accept that the government is hiding the truth, whilst relying on their agents FOR the information about ETs and UFOs?

The answer is simple: our minds and opinions are being manipulated AWAY from the truth by simple sleight-of-hand magicians' tricks. Whilst we are all looking at the interesting and enthralling spectacle, we are missing the real action, and failing to notice the simple way the deception is achieved. In doing so, we are continually speculating about all manner of conspiracies and hidden technologies, as well as occult realities that vested interests certainly do not want us delving into.

(LONG and INTRIGUING ARTICLE, FOR THE REST GO TO: http://www.ivanfraser.com/articles/c.../etagenda.html)




Actually this theory is even less likely than that of ETs because you just empower 'illuminati' to such extent, whatever be the truth this is just another "what if" theory on a distant shelf.
I'm sure they hide what they know of this phenomenon, try hacking your way into vatican library :D

jmmk
08-07-2008, 05:53 PM
What I find hilarious is the shows on TV where the scientists are looking for
life on other planets that are dumber than we are(bacteria,fungus,micro-
organisms). Yet, the same ones have a program called SETI (Search for
Extraterrestrial Intelligence) hoping for radio signals from other planets in
neighboring solar systems(possibly on the same mental level as us?). But
they are too proud and arrogant to think there might be a civilization that
could be smarter than them. This is the demise of our leaders right now.