Lucifer Project

[ho8day]

Ive been reading davids books and researching on his web site for quite a while now and have seen no reference to Project Lucifer (maybe I just missed it) there seems to be a fair amount of research covered on the subject within the web and am wondering if this theory has been proven as bad information or not possible.

It seems there is not much time until this will happen (if successful) and should be a little alarmed!

The best piece of information I have found was on RNIF.com that is a fairly new site I have stumbled upon.

http://www.rinf.com/news/nov05/lucifer-project.html

The information is very in depth and without being a nuclear physicist is hard to tell if it stands up.

What does everyone else think?

[hagbard_celine]

There are a couple of threads about this.

I'm not sure if it's for real, to tell you the truth. But it wouldn't surprise me if they did it. The Loomies are getting pretty desperate. They say the impact next year is postponed, but this could be because they're holding off to see how things go. 9/11 failed and if the fake alien invasion does too, Lucifer could be the last resort

[gorana]

Why did 9/11 fail? They managed to get many laws they wanted, they have established office of homeland security (USA) and home office (UK), also simmilar organisations in other "important" countries. They are allowed to monitor and record every call and track every connection on internet (in Germany "Daten Vorratspeicherung", in UK and USA different names).

How did they fail with 9/11?

In my opinion, 9/11 was just a step in grand march to ... NWO.

Edit: and they do not care if one or other step is mis-stepped a bit, they correct it at later time with alternative.

G.

[hagbard_celine]

Arthur C Clarke wrote a trilogy of novels called the Space Odyssey. The first one, 2001, was made into the famous film by Stanley Kubrik. The second book tells to story of a second expedition to Jupiter where the astronauts encounter the same alien intelligence that the first book and film, but this time it’s a lot more powerful. It converts all the hydrogen in Jupiter into heavier elements until a fusion reaction kicks off and Jupiter becomes a star, a second sun for the solar system. This new sun is called Lucifer- the light-bearer. The third book, 2061, is about how the new sun comes to affect the solar system and all the moons of Jupiter. I wonder how much Clarke knew about what’s really going on. He may well have been hinting at something because he worked very closely with NASA in the years preceding these books; he invented satellite technology that allows the global communication we take for granted nowadays. It’s possible that the Illuminati are trying to do this for real. Yes, create a second sun in our solar system!

It’s a little known fact that modern unmanned spacecraft are partly nuclear powered. They are driven by rockets for propulsion, but the onboard electrical system is run by the energy from decaying radioactive metals, in this case plutonium, the same material used in nuclear bombs. This has caused a lot of controversy and fears over public safety. What would happen if the launch failed and the craft came down in a populated area? But, as you’ll see, this is the least of our worries. In 2003 NASA’s Galileo craft ended its mission by crashing into Jupiter at top speed. 28 days later a strange black spot appeared on the surface of the planet (This is exactly what happened in the book!) What could have happened is that Galileo triggered a nuclear explosion because its 48 pounds of plutonium fuel cells reached critical mass on entry. Question: If this is what happened, was it accidental or deliberate?

If it was deliberate, and the NASA scientists, some of them anyway, were trying to turn Jupiter into a second sun, then it seems to have failed. But they could be planning to try again with Saturn. The much publicized Cassini-Huygens mission has been in the news a lot lately, having discovered much about Saturn and its moon Titan. This craft is also nuclear powered. It is driven by 72 pounds of plutonium cells, much more than Galileo. The plan is to end Cassini’s mission in the same way that they ended Galileo’s. NASA plan to crash the probe on Saturn, or at least this is the official position:

After its primary mission ends in 2008, Cassini is already scheduled to receive one two-year mission extension, with a second one possible. NASA is targeting decommissioning of Cassini in 2012. Unlike the Galileo spacecraft, which was plunged into Jupiter to disintegrate in a fiery atmospheric entry, there are complications for a similar fate for Cassini; namely the fact that it may impact a large object within the rings and become uncontrollable. NASA is also looking into a possible high-altitude parking orbit or impact on a smaller moon where RTG contamination will not present a problem. Specifically, scientists do not want to contaminate Enceladus or Titan, which both have the possibility of organic materials, with the RTG's radioactive waste. (Source: Wikipedia)

We’ll soon see how keen they are to crash the craft. This was origianally going to happen next year, but the fact that it’s being delayed until the “Real Millenium” year of 2012 is telling. 2012 is the year predicted by the ancient Mayans as being the transition to a new phase of existance.

Why would the Illuminati want to create a second sun? I don’t know and can only guess. It could be to change the enviroment of Earth towards one that is more congenial for their power schemes; the “Eschaton” or final push for complete world domination. It could be that the suns vibes are helping to set the people free and the Illuminati want to create a second energy source of their own to counter it. Maybe the perpetrastors of this in the sapce programme are not the high Illuminati, but are doing this in secret for what they think is a different reason while the high Illuminati know the real motive for the action (a common story). It could be just one of those “because we can” scenarioes. They want to be clever and just do something for the hell of it, to show everyone what geniuses they are. We built the Channel Tunnel for this reason and all these other useless and destructive architectural projects that we just do to flex ouir muscles and pat ourselves on the back for being so clever (When they’re not done for ritual purposes).

A friend of mine at work is really taking this seriously. She and her husband have packed up and left Oxford for the remote highlands of Scotland to try to avoid the outcome of the Lucifer Project. She says that we’ll know when it’s happened because the sky will turn red. I’m going to miss her actually; she’s the only person I know in my daily life whom I can talk to about the “crazy stuff”. However I think she’s climbing up the mast on a sinking ship. If the Lucifer Project happens then there’ll be nowhere on the Earth, or even the solar system, where you can hide. The only solution is for us to free ourselves by taking decisions back into our own lives rather than letting our “leaders” make them for us. If we can see through the veil of secrecy covering space agencies then we can stop the Lucifer Project.

[ashyr]

this is some intense medicine. i think its time to wakeup.

could this possibly be true?
what does david icke say?

how long have u known of lucifer project. and is it very publicly aviable or did u go to great lenghts to find it?

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btw... "It was like night and day."
http://66.240.198.75/albums/spirit/aha.jpg
The path of Spirit along the floor Gusev Crater to Columbia
Hills as seen by the navigation camera
Credit: NASA/JPL
Lucky Spirit (http://www.astrobio.net/news/article1605.html)

[ashyr]

is that mars. or saturn?

[ashyr]

i think this needs to be posted to everyone on DI forums. this outlines the keypoints of what we've been thinking TIMESCALE and KEY DATES area ll mentioned here. who ever put this together new some really inside info or follows the forums here because there all co in siding with what we know here. jus more indeph on filling the blanks. am i right?

make a thread and try get it sticky on GENERAL?

[edit]

is that mars. or saturn?mars

and.. i think that.. see like that.. that our moon got up here because of that rock there..

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Reality420
Mars & Moon: 23-24Dec.
http://www.***********************/forum1/message467919/pg1


Lucifer Project- How Many Need to Know?
http://www.davidicke.com/forum/showthread.php?t=1694&highlight=Lucifer



Lucian Ilea : The local star has exploded.What a beautifull sight!
http://www.***********************/forum1/message479172/pg1





The Complete Lucifer Project
http://www.davidicke.com/forum/showthread.php?t=14326&highlight=Lucifer

The moon and mars were AWESOME last night
http://www.***********************/forum1/message479315/pg1

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: )Originally Posted by (http://www.davidicke.com/forum/showthread.php?t=1694&highlight=Lucifer&page=4) tru3 (http://www.davidicke.com/forum/member.php?u=269)
tru said....


Rectified!

Thankyou for your response


luv ya, girl! :)

hope you join us; we could use some feminine wisdom, lest this result again...:D


http://www.delta.dfg.ca.gov/gallery/bighorn.jpg:cool:

[edit]

why can't people be nice all the time and want to be nice altogether at the same time?

that looks like a tricky and subliminal site. if you take it seriously, then take this seriously too. the "story" would be ok for a tv series and i managed to only read just half of it because i couldn't turn the crappy music off.

too much drama, it makes you cry, if you believe it is true.:rolleyes:

[ashyr]

relevance?

[hagbard_celine]

Reality420
Mars & Moon: 23-24Dec.
http://www.***********************/forum1/message467919/pg1


Lucifer Project- How Many Need to Know?
http://www.davidicke.com/forum/showthread.php?t=1694&highlight=Lucifer



Lucian Ilea : The local star has exploded.What a beautifull sight!
http://www.***********************/forum1/message479172/pg1





The Complete Lucifer Project
http://www.davidicke.com/forum/showthread.php?t=14326&highlight=Lucifer

The moon and mars were AWESOME last night
http://www.***********************/forum1/message479315/pg1


http://www.davidicke.com/forum/showthread.php?t=6459&highlight=lucifer+project

[beldazar]

eeeerrrrmmmm, just lost my head a minute....has all this happened before??? I watched thunderbolts of the gods and references point to the sky being very different years ago, with there being a central sun, much larger too, am i going mad or are we really stuck in a time loop, with slight variations each time???

[gordysmit]

What with global warming! what the hell are they want another sun for? "ah they want make the planet warmer for the reptillans as they like warmer weather !"

[beldazar]

global warming, not sure about that! I bet they are covering their backs in case they are chucked off this planet. Couldnt help laughing when I heard they are building massive prisons in England called...wait for it....Titan! lol, no coincidence there eh?? Im sure that this is aimed at us, if we worry that Titan the moon/planet whatever is gonna be the next prison then our thoughts become reality right? Hey you, Gordon Brown! It aint gonna happen! lol

[hagbard_celine]

eeeerrrrmmmm, just lost my head a minute....has all this happened before??? I watched thunderbolts of the gods and references point to the sky being very different years ago, with there being a central sun, much larger too, am i going mad or are we really stuck in a time loop, with slight variations each time???


Someone told me, it was the lady I refer to who moved to Scotland, that the sky will turn red and that will be the sign that Saturn has ignited.

[edit]

eeeerrrrmmmm, just lost my head a minute....has all this happened before??? I watched thunderbolts of the gods and references point to the sky being very different years ago, with there being a central sun, much larger too, am i going mad or are we really stuck in a time loop, with slight variations each time???
different times are mixed in this one loop now, yes! universetoday (http://www.universetoday.com/category/neptune/)...for noeh arks? http://www.***********************/sm/1dunno1.gif
I question this..[B]C[/i][B]an GOD be contacted during REM?[/i]
(http://www.***********************/forum1/message498043/pg1)

[beldazar]

Dont we live in fascinating times eh? Ive been thinking...do you think that perhaps the planet Marduk was ignited to create the sun we have now???

[hagbard_celine]

Dont we live in fascinating times eh? Ive been thinking...do you think that perhaps the planet Marduk was ignited to create the sun we have now???

Could be. That's not something I've looked into. I would ask though: what was ignited to make Marduk's sun?

BTW "May you live in interesting times!" is a curse!

[beldazar]

hehehe yeah I know! I never said that tho...chinese saying I think, not that Ive ever used it :D

[father ted]

http://hubblesite.org/newscenter/archive/releases/2007/25/

http://www.physorg.com/news102338851.html

http://www.sciencecodex.com/graphics/jupiter%20changing.jpg

[serendipityinlife]

Hi Everyone

I'm new here. I too have been reading about the Lucifer Project and it's truely horrendous. I think we have a great opportunity to actually stop what is going on and to quite literally take back control of Cassini. Yes, think about it. I suggest forum members who want to take part send out thought/love waves to the Cassini probe every hour on the hour for the next 3 months. Lets see if we can capture it in the the vibrations of love and wrestle control from NASA. We can then send it on its merry way to some safe area in deep space.

This would be a great expriment. If you want to take part please let as many of your friends who are interested know. Maybe we can reach a critical mass to actually do it.

Many thanks

[pduffy4]

Sounds like the kind of stupid, putrid shit the Illuminated ones would do. Illuminated ones, you know, the people who think we are to stupid to run our own lives! Give me a fooking brake! They are carzier than a shit house rat!:mad:

serendipityinlife I don't think sending our thoughts to the prob would work, but give it a go just in case. What we really need to do is find some ETs with a space ship thingy and ask them to blow the crap:eek: out of Cassini for us and send the pieces back to NASA marked 'Return to sender', just a thought.

Peter
:p;):D:cool::eek:

[hagbard_celine]

Sounds like the kind of stupid, putrid shit the Illuminated ones would do. Illuminated ones, you know, the people who think we are to stupid to run our own lives! Give me a fooking brake! They are carzier than a shit house rat!:mad:

serendipityinlife I don't think sending our thoughts to the prob would work, but give it a go just in case. What we really need to do is find some ETs with a space ship thingy and ask them to blow the crap:eek: out of Cassini for us and send the pieces back to NASA marked 'Return to sender', just a thought.

Peter
:p;):D:cool::eek:

I'm hoping that any passing ET's who want to help us will. I'm a great believer in the idea that we're makers of our own destiny and not waiting for saviours or messiahs, but if the Earth was about to be destroyed and a friendly alien offered to stop it I'd happily swallow my pride and accept!:)

I don't know if Serendipityinlife's experiment will work, but what do have to lose in trying?:cool:

[pduffy4]

I'm hoping that any passing ET's who want to help us will. I'm a great believer in the idea that we're makers of our own destiny and not waiting for saviours or messiahs, but if the Earth was about to be destroyed and a friendly alien offered to stop it I'd happily swallow my pride and accept!:)

I don't know if Serendipityinlife's experiment will work, but what do have to lose in trying?:cool:

Dr Steven Greer of the Disclosure Project says that no ETs are going to help us. I do think however that if the NWO launch their fake alien invasion, which will involve real anti gravity craft they have, and start destroying cities with their electromagnetic scalar weapons then the ETs will likely not stand by. I would give the ETs a bad reputation if they don't do anything and leave us to thing ETs attack us. The next few years will be ugly but not dull.:(

[logic bomb]

I don't know if Serendipityinlife's experiment will work, but what do have to lose in trying?:cool:

I suggest forum members who want to take part send out thought/love waves to the Cassini probe every hour on the hour for the next 3 months

Err.. sleep for starters.

[hagbard_celine]

The next few years will be ugly but not dull.:(


"May you live in interesting times!" A curse indeed.

[thirdwave]

Dr Steven Greer of the Disclosure Project says that no ETs are going to help us. I do think however that if the NWO launch their fake alien invasion, which will involve real anti gravity craft they have, and start destroying cities with their electromagnetic scalar weapons then the ETs will likely not stand by. I would give the ETs a bad reputation if they don't do anything and leave us to thing ETs attack us. The next few years will be ugly but not dull.:(

would be quite a tricky situation for them....

i think the only thing that could do is wipe out the elite... take over and then announce who they are and why they are there.... and im not sure they would do that...

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http://www.davidicke.com/forum/showthread.php?p=389245#post389245
Lucifer Project- How Many Need to Know?

[marpat]

Isn't Lucifer supposed to be the light bringer? Lucifuge is supposed to be the baddy.

[jmmk]

The reptilians may not all be bad. There is good and bad in all races. The
Illuminati are the manipulators/exploiters/enslavers of their kind. Has anybody
talked about the Emerald Tablets of Thoth and the magic needed to expose
them(the Illuminati) or the sound(waves) to drive them back underground?
Or are the Ancient Ones returning to do the job?

[beldazar]

I read the tablets the other day Jimmi, I was fascinated! I meant to save the page so I can write them down.
I was interested where it says 'look to the curves' not the angles', it reminded me of sacred geometry where a man doing the presentation said that the curves were the feminine aspect.
I have a theory that crop circles are to help re-balance the energies.
Although some of the esoteric illuminati symbols do have curves, most of them are pentagon, pentagram and pyramid, angles. I wondered if Thoth was Luminari?

[jmmk]

Could be the different factions of reptilians that are trying to control the
world or their parts of it are tired of this game and want to create a new
system by detonating Saturn. Whatever's left will be easier for them to
manage/re-brainwash and possibly introduce new religions and governments
and militaries. Time to escape to the next level like the naguals of Mexico
did in the past.

[themime]

Ok I'll be honest I'd not heard much about this before reading this thread but after reading up on it here's my opinion for what it's worth.

The only reason I could see to carry out this scheme would be the following:

To create a new star in the sky would make them Gods in their own eyes and in all likely hood also in the eyes of millions around the globe.

"And God said, "Let there be light," and there was light. 4 God saw that the light was good, and He separated the light from the darkness. 5 God called the light "day," and the darkness he called "night." And there was evening, and there was morning—the first day."

What better act of rebellion than to undo Gods work?

I strongly believe these people to be Satanists and that their war on Christianity is going to plan.

Now for the cover story, well they could say that two suns would mean the Earth's trees would capture twice as much carbon-dioxide. They could say that it was an accident or even to allow travel within our solar system who knows with these people they always seem to be 3 steps ahead.


However that being said I still fail to see how Saturn would provide enough mass to form a star. Jupiter I'm not sure about.

[hagbard_celine]

Now for the cover story, well they could say that two suns would mean the Earth's trees would capture twice as much carbon-dioxide.

:D I can seriously see them putting that excuse forward! It's noly a tiny bit more extreme than the ones they're on about at the moment!:eek:

[antiem]

I've heard that the project should finish around now... Seen a second sun already, anyone? ;)

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=l4k_3cINkXg
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=aG9vMvOnBJY&feature=related
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YuvObad8_XE&feature=related

[hagbard_celine]

I've heard that the project should finish around now... Seen a second sun already, anyone? ;)

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=l4k_3cINkXg
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=aG9vMvOnBJY&feature=related
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YuvObad8_XE&feature=related


It was originally meant to do the big dive by now, but NASA has got the option of extending its life for another few years.

[jayelowell]

jupiter is starting to show extreme hot spot at the poles! lets bring this thread back from the dead

[hagbard_celine]

jupiter is starting to show extreme hot spot at the poles! lets bring this thread back from the dead


Maybe the Gallileo impact had an effect after all.:(:eek:

Or is it just part of the solar system "global warming"?

[jayelowell]

maybe gallileo did have a effect but it didnt hit a the poles it hit somewhere in the the southern part of the planet "which caused a dark spot in the planet" that is highly ignored

[hagbard_celine]

maybe gallileo did have a effect but it didnt hit a the poles it hit somewhere in the the southern part of the planet "which caused a dark spot in the planet" that is highly ignored


The location of the crash might not bear on the first place it has an effect. It could be that the plutonium has been cooking away in the core of the planet for a few years.

[jayelowell]

it probably hasnt hit the right temperture the ignite

[hagbard_celine]

it probably hasnt hit the right temperture the ignite

What if it sunk deep into the planet's interior? In the depths of the metalic hydrogen layer could it achieve critical mass?

[antiem]

How long does it take if something happens there until we can see it?

[hagbard_celine]

How long does it take if something happens there until we can see it?


I don't know:confused:. It may need a loit of time because the fuel components might need to sink 1000's of miles before the pressure is great enough to start a reaction.

[young_geecee]

so in a sort of nutshell this "lucifer project" is creating a second sun to potentially create a new planet home capable of supporting life in this solar system. well they are going to crash into saturn in 2012 which is very suspicious, i also know that in 2010 (i think?) is when the "tourist" space flights starts, the ones which only the mega rich will be able to go on.

are the elite going there to slowly move house or just going on "tourist space flight" because lets face it they are the only ones who can afford it bar a couple of lottery winners? if so why? what of us if thats what they are thinking?

[hagbard_celine]

so in a sort of nutshell this "lucifer project" is creating a second sun to potentially create a new planet home capable of supporting life in this solar system. well they are going to crash into saturn in 2012 which is very suspicious, i also know that in 2010 (i think?) is when the "tourist" space flights starts, the ones which only the mega rich will be able to go on.

are the elite going there to slowly move house or just going on "tourist space flight" because lets face it they are the only ones who can afford it bar a couple of lottery winners? if so why? what of us if thats what they are thinking?


You mean they take off, Saturn blows, we all die and they come back? Could be; I wouldn't put it past them!:mad:

Stephen Hawking and the actor Brian Blessed have both bought tickets for the first flight. Will they betold the truth if what you say is the case?:confused:

[tootrue]

Hey, have you seen that- http://www.globalresearch.ca/index.php?context=va&aid=10300

Is it related, or is there a separate thread about it?

[hagbard_celine]

Hey, have you seen that- http://www.globalresearch.ca/index.php?context=va&aid=10300

Is it related, or is there a separate thread about it?

There's a couple of threads about this, but yeah, it's significant regarding this subject.

[guuna]

You mean they take off, Saturn blows, we all die and they come back? Could be; I wouldn't put it past them!:mad:

Stephen Hawking and the actor Brian Blessed have both bought tickets for the first flight. Will they betold the truth if what you say is the case?:confused:

I have an intense distrust of Richard Branson. This whole Virgin Galctic thing. Michael Tsarion did a bit of an expose on him and who his real masters are, Wish I could find that link.

also this is not for removed from the scenario of the old sci-fi film WHEN WORLDS COLLIDE made by George Pal, I'm guessing Pal may have been some kind of illuminati initiate.

[guuna]

Another thing that bothers me about Branson. Ever noticed how his organisation seems to recruit mostly nubile young females?

Could he and his elite friends be planning to start some kind of stud farm with them, and coming back after ground zero of Project Lucifer or maybe relocating to Titan or somewhere once terraformed?

Just thinking some wild stuff out loud here.:confused:

[supersmell]

However that being said I still fail to see how Saturn would provide enough mass to form a star. Jupiter I'm not sure about.

Jupiter has 1/15th the mass of the smallest known star (and there appears to be some debate into if that class of stars are even stars.) 13 Jupiters is supposedly the theoretical minimum mass needed to start a fusion reaction, and even if NASA could somehow use a satellite to start the fusion there wouldn't be enough gravitational force to keep the planet from just blowing up.

[phreedom]

Once the fusion reaction occurs at the planetary core, mass is 'created' from zero point, and flows freely outward.

Watch 'the Earth is Growing' on YouTube for an analogous demonstration of this.

Once the River is tapped, it flows freely outward.

The crashing of the probe was simply a catalyst for a reaction that will boil and boil and boil until the planet shrinks down in size but increases in mass, resulting in an explosion that makes it a star.

[amabus]

The best piece of information I have found was on RNIF.com that is a fairly new site I have stumbled upon.

http://www.rinf.com/news/nov05/lucifer-project.html



What a great thread. Wish I could have read the above...

[phreedom]

I didn't have as much time to elaborate on my previous post as much as I would have liked... furthering those thoughts...

You will find very little, if any, information on the creation of a star and how they begin. The only literature available to you is peppered with jargon that is difficult to read and easily dismissed when it is understood.

At any rate, the solar system is designated as the playground of human beings, and the Earth, our launching pad onto the cosmic stage.

We have never believed ourselved to be Gods, so to speak, as a lot of rhetoric on this board has alluded to. We instead, collectively, can acheive that of which God has within this realm and independent of His will, so some believe.

This is the result of millions of years of progress and the collective result from the snowballing forces that our minds and abilities produce.

In the 3-D reality, as what we are now in has commonly come to be called, though it is not an accurate identifier, we are looking for a way to spawn material from 'nothing.'

Those of you who understand nuclear physics understand how nuclear bombs are able to cause the destruction they do. However, even the brightest nuclear physicists at the time the first nuke was dropped feared that setting off the explosion would initiate a chain reaction that would ignite the entire Earth's atmosphere. I am sure many of you have heard about this, and it was obviously wrong...

I can assure you, the amount of plutonium in any of those crafts, is not enough to create a significant chain reaction that would in-turn ignite the entire planet of Jupiter or Saturn. Both of those planets have more plutonium, as well as uranium, than any of you can imagine to be possible anyway, much more than a measily 80 pounds, anyway.

At any rate, crashing a space probe into either planet is part of a bigger experiment to further prove/disprove theories about the energetics of this particular realm. So far, the greatest minds have yet to be wrong. As stated above the nuke could or couldn't have ignited the entire atmosphere. It did not. The collider in Switizerland could have created a black hole. It did not.

This is just an introduction... I will continue this post at a later time... with more information...

[supersmell]

Those of you who understand nuclear physics understand how nuclear bombs are able to cause the destruction they do. However, even the brightest nuclear physicists at the time the first nuke was dropped feared that setting off the explosion would initiate a chain reaction that would ignite the entire Earth's atmosphere. I am sure many of you have heard about this, and it was obviously wrong...

Isn't that pretty much would have to happen if the Lucifer Project could work?

What you say would happen would violate the laws of conservation of mass/energy, which is not something zero point energy has the ability to do.

[phreedom]

Isn't that pretty much would have to happen if the Lucifer Project could work?

What you say would happen would violate the laws of conservation of mass/energy, which is not something zero point energy has the ability to do.

Broaden your scope a little here.

Perhaps the laws of physics are in place to simply keep mindful and able people from performing the necessary experimentation that would explain the 'creation' or 'spawning' of matter from 'nothing'

The point I am making is that a chain reaction, under the correct material orientations, would result in tapping the underlying energetics that we are unable to empirically capture with conventional methodologies.

[supersmell]

If there was any evidence that the laws are not valid then they would be trashed.

What do you mean by material orientations, and how would they help a chain reaction break the second law of thermodynamics?

[father ted]

http://www.jupitertoday.com/

As you can see, Jupiter is changing rapidly. This might have started with the string of pearl comets, although it might have started earlier.

In his hyperspace vid(the first one), Swerdlow explains that his job at Montauk was to translate hyperspace archetypes. One time he was made to translate archetypes that were being transmitted from one of the comets that was part of that string. He stopped his explanation there, but I wonder what he translated EXACTLY! This could be where he gets some of the info from about Jupiter.

[hagbard_celine]

Those of you who understand nuclear physics understand how nuclear bombs are able to cause the destruction they do. However, even the brightest nuclear physicists at the time the first nuke was dropped feared that setting off the explosion would initiate a chain reaction that would ignite the entire Earth's atmosphere. I am sure many of you have heard about this, and it was obviously wrong...

I can assure you, the amount of plutonium in any of those crafts, is not enough to create a significant chain reaction that would in-turn ignite the entire planet of Jupiter or Saturn. Both of those planets have more plutonium, as well as uranium, than any of you can imagine to be possible anyway, much more than a measily 80 pounds, anyway.
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But then what caused that big black spot where Gallileo crashed into Jupiter?

Oddly enough this is what happened in the book 2010 by Arthur C Clarke from where the term "Lucifer Project" comes from.:confused: