We're desperately-seeking Free Energy... Honest!

[hagbard_celine]

http://www.guardian.co.uk/uk_news/story/0,3604,807299,00.html#article_continue

Call me old fashioned, but I kinda think that what fuel I choose to run my car on is my bloody choice! And don't we already pay tax on cooking oil? Could it be that the oil companies are just terrified of the idea catching on and breaking their stranglehold on our lives? Cooking oil is a very low-emission fuel compared to diesel, but do you think they care about pollution? And then you see this hypocritical crap: http://www.bp.com/subsection.do?categoryId=4529&contentId=7014604 Let nobody believe the hype about them "desperately-searching for a practical alternative to fossil fuels, other than dirty, dangerous nuclear fission". When someone actually finds such an alternative they soon show their true colours.

What these folks were doing in Llanelli, south Wales was that they found out that you can run a diesel car on cooking oil. This is perfectly possible and safe, and it's actually very low emission, less than 20% that of diesel (Don't try this is your car has a petrol (gasoline) engine. It will bung it up good and proper!) The oil doesn't even need to be clean. Some of them just went down the local chippie at closing time and asked for the oil they usually just pour down the drain; They took it home, strained the bits out with a sieve and syphoned it into the car's tank. A few people were prosecuted for this. The charge was evading the fuel tax! Not paying tax on a product he hadn't bought! This shows what a panic the authorities were in to stop him! It also shows the true situation we're in. From the moment we receive a driving license or buy our first car, we are legally obliged to use the fuel provided by official sources. If we don't, well... muggers and burglars sometimes get treated more leniantly in court.

If you want me to talk about how many people have been persecuted, ruined or even killed for inventing an energy source that could free humanity from our dependance on fossil fuels, as well as saving the world from the dangers of pollution, then I'll be here all day! Wilhelm Reich, Nikola Tesla, Viktor Schauberger, Frank Searle, Russi Talyarkan... the list is enormous!

Do people honestly think we're all just poised, waiting for some scientific breakthrough that will be embraced by the world and save us from pollution, poverty and slavery? Such breakthroughs have been made a dozen times for over 100 years, at least, and have been supressed with unbelievable vigour. Do people really think we can just go up to Shell or BP and say "Sorry, your services are no longer required"? Illuminati-controlled oil companies will never tolerate that. They make so much money from oil and also have a way or controlling the people. Imagine if you could drive your car for 10,000 miles without stopping for petrol. Imagine you could heat your house all winter without paying a penny.

Yes, I can too, and so can the Illuminati... and it's their worst nightmare!

[limelady]

I wanted to reply to your post, but you've really said everything so well. All I can add here is that I agree with everything you've said, and reiterate your sentiment that we're ALL being held to ransom by the Illuminati. When folks cannot pour strained vat oil into their cars without it being a tax evasion offence, there's no doubting something is HORRIBLY wrong with this planet. Some days you just feel like pulling your hair out with the frustration of it all. :mad:

As for free energy? Yeah right! There's plenty of it and plenty of people have found ways to harness it, but they'll let us have THAT the same day pigs learn to fly!

Good post thanks.

LL

[deca]

http://waterpoweredcar.com/stanmeyer.html

Think how much money spent in iraq how better could it be used!!!

Arabs sell us oil we sell them guns.

[oneofmany]

there's only one problem with running any type of car on cooking oil, and that is it totally roots all engines. Don't do it to a good car, buy a bomb and convert that. My friend Jaysen, who is a mechanic, converted a bus to run on cooking oil. He got around Australia with only 5 engine rebuilds and over $1000 in filters. not too bad i suppose

[tk__]

there's only one problem with running any type of car on cooking oil, and that is it totally roots all engines. Don't do it to a good car, buy a bomb and convert that. My friend Jaysen, who is a mechanic, converted a bus to run on cooking oil. He got around Australia with only 5 engine rebuilds and over $1000 in filters. not too bad i suppose

it would tear up a gasoline engine, yeah. the original diesel was designed to run on cooking oil, though.

[oneofmany]

The bus engine was diesel, forget gasoline engines all together

[friendsinthesky]

Free Clean Energy?

Let's hope that Steorn are the real deal, then soon we can drive a car/ship that will never need re-charging, never need fuel...clean free energy.

..the list is endless; power company's need not burn coal.


http://www.steorn.com/

http://www.steorn.net/forum/?p=3

[hagbard_celine]

I wanted to reply to your post, but you've really said everything so well. All I can add here is that I agree with everything you've said, and reiterate your sentiment that we're ALL being held to ransom by the Illuminati. When folks cannot pour strained vat oil into their cars without it being a tax evasion offence, there's no doubting something is HORRIBLY wrong with this planet. Some days you just feel like pulling your hair out with the frustration of it all. :mad:

As for free energy? Yeah right! There's plenty of it and plenty of people have found ways to harness it, but they'll let us have THAT the same day pigs learn to fly!

Good post thanks.

LL

Cheer, LL

The authorties have a funny attitude; and you can bet todays news over contaminated petrol won't change that.

[hagbard_celine]

http://waterpoweredcar.com/stanmeyer.html

Think how much money spent in iraq how better could it be used!!!

Arabs sell us oil we sell them guns.

I wouldn't want this guy's life insurance premiums! But I admire him for doing something positive which doesn't involve official sanction.

[hagbard_celine]

Free Clean Energy?

Let's hope that Steorn are the real deal, then soon we can drive a car/ship that will never need re-charging, never need fuel...clean free energy.

..the list is endless; power company's need not burn coal.


http://www.steorn.com/

http://www.steorn.net/forum/?p=3

I was just thiking about Steorn when I finished the first post. You subscibe to their mailing list so you'll be the first to know when they get the results.

[seamus]

Here's the REAL DEAL folks. Peter Lindemann explains the manifestation of Zero-point energy as electrical impulse. OUT OF THE ETHER.

http://www.demonoid.com/files/details/1050558/?rel=1173059116

Forget biodiesel, forget hydrogen, forget burning ANYTHING. The only technology that competes with this for elegance and harmlessness is Viktor Schauberger's Repulsin and Heimkraftwerk. The steorn technology is nice, but for obvious reasons is very unwieldy and ill-suited to mobile applications. You could make an EV Gray device that fits in the palm of your hand.


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[hagbard_celine]

Cheers, Seamus. :)

[warrior]

A regular diesel engine will run on chip-pan oil, without any alterations to the engine, adding 3% white spirits helps. Now some mechanics tell me it will cause damage to the engine over time, but I know a few guys running regular diesels on the stuff without any conversions or any problems. In fact everyone I know who got their diesel engine specially converted for vegetable oil had had major engine problems.

Here is a site studying free energy that maybe of interest

http://www.ahealedplanet.net/home.htm

[seamus]

burning soya oil will harm your engine as it polymerizes when the burn is incomplete (i.e. all the time in a diesel).

This is why the biodiesel standard in europe mandates the use of rape oil.

there are many kits available to convert your car for use on straight vege oil, but it is advisable to run a propane line to your air intake and run some propane through it every so often, depending on how your burn is, to decoke the valves and piston crown. Adding a WEE bit of mineral spirits is perhaps a preferable alternative to this treatment.

I've been studying the process for about a year and a half now. Haven't built anything yet, but I hope to soon! I have some of the main parts already.

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[hagbard_celine]

http://www.herald-review.com/articles/2007/03/01/news/local_news/1021491.txt

Well speak of the devil! Talk about synchronicity!

[seamus]

What I want to know is how do you pay tax on something you DIDNT BUY?!

I would tell em to KMA.

That's why I'm dropping out ASAP.

Like Uncle Sam here:

http://homepage.mac.com/leperous/.Pictures/iquit.jpg


Yeap. Headin for the hills. I've had enough of this crap. Of course I'm doing it gradually. It will take a few years.

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[eternal_spirit]

Don't know if this story is an urban myth but here goes lol.

Nikola Tessla was sent to prison for not paying his electricity bill, he had invented a device to create pollutant free energy to power electric with and refused to pay the electricity bill.

Tesla was believed to have invented many hidden technologies and was used by the military and the illuminati he probably had no choice.

[hagbard_celine]

What I want to know is how do you pay tax on something you DIDNT BUY?!


Precisely! That's how crazy the law is over this issue. Common sense is the first casualty in their desperation to stop people abandoning fossil fuels.

[dinachick]

Check out the site to get instructions and build a Joe Cell Water Fuel Cell here http://www.nutech2000.com/category2_1.htm

I want to try this in the near future and see if this really works.;)

[seamus]

http://video.google.com/videosearch?q=alex%20schiffer&ie=UTF-8&oe=UTF-8&aq=t&rls=org.mozilla:en-US:official&client=firefox-a&um=1&sa=N&tab=wv

Here are some videos by alex schiffer, arguably the most successful Joe cell builder who wishes so far to remain accessible to the public.

Enjoy!

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[myeika]

Don't know if this story is an urban myth but here goes lol.

Nikola Tessla was sent to prison for not paying his electricity bill, he had invented a device to create pollutant free energy to power electric with and refused to pay the electricity bill.

Tesla was believed to have invented many hidden technologies and was used by the military and the illuminati he probably had no choice.


didn't he invent something with magnets??????

[seamus]

didn't he invent something with magnets??????

He invented most of the basic technology you are most familiar with. Fluorescent Lights, Radio, the Alternating Current motor, Alternating current itself, CRTs, all owe their existence either directly or indirectly to Nikola Tesla. He was arguably the greatest mind of the past millenium. He had the ability to render any invention in 3D in his imagination so vividly and completely, that he could do most of the troubleshooting on an invention before ever making a drawing.

On the down side, he was a terrible businessman (which isn't evil, just unfortunate for him) and a bit of an egotist, to put it mildly. He died, as they say, penniless and "insane".

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[hagbard_celine]

He invented most of the basic technology you are most familiar with. Fluorescent Lights, Radio, the Alternating Current motor, Alternating current itself, CRTs, all owe their existence either directly or indirectly to Nikola Tesla. He was arguably the greatest mind of the past millenium. He had the ability to render any invention in 3D in his imagination so vividly and completely, that he could do most of the troubleshooting on an invention before ever making a drawing.

On the down side, he was a terrible businessman (which isn't evil, just unfortunate for him) and a bit of an egotist, to put it mildly. He died, as they say, penniless and "insane".

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And much of his work is still classified, in some cases after more than a hundred years. There's a very interesting experiment he did in 1899 on a mountain in California. He raised a metal pole up into the air and didn't it hjave some amazing effects? I can't recall the details, but I think the wires ina nearby town overloaded, or something similar.

[oneofmany]

Some people believe that all of Nikola Tesla's work was redesigned to fit the uses they were needed for because the real inventions he came up with were all related to his big dream of manufacturing his patented (missing) flying car.
Supposedly even his tower to transmit free energy was only a biproduct of his flying car dream. The man was a true genius in every sense of the word.
It really makes you wonder if he succeded with millions of reported UFO's flitting about.

There's a very interesting experiment he did in 1899 on a mountain in California. He raised a metal pole up into the air and didn't it hjave some amazing effects? I can't recall the details, but I think the wires ina nearby town overloaded, or something similarHe actually blew up the neighbouring towns power generator because of the amount of electricity he was drawing from it to fire up his electricity transmitter tower. he also made the ground shake in his own town and caused a few spot fires :D:D:D

As for Mr Tesla not paying for electricity and gaoled, I've never heard of this and I have heard most of his backstories. Where did this come from?

[seamus]

And much of his work is still classified, in some cases after more than a hundred years. There's a very interesting experiment he did in 1899 on a mountain in California. He raised a metal pole up into the air and didn't it hjave some amazing effects? I can't recall the details, but I think the wires ina nearby town overloaded, or something similar.

It was Colorado Springs where he overloaded the generator. He had been getting the leccy for a low rate up till then, but then he had to bring in his own generating equipment.

Most people don't know this, but Tesla coils (what he was working with in that particular experiment) were NEVER meant to be run on AC voltage. No. That merely turns them into radio transmitters, and toy spark-throwers. If you read his patents, he is very clear that there must be NO reversal of current. They were designed for pulsed, increasing voltage, instant-cutoff DC. This is extremely hard to do, since capacitance in any conductor will tend to cause an oscillation. Spark gaps were the solution. Peter Lindemann in the torrent mentioned above explains it exquisitely, while giving insight into a much smaller device working on the same principle. A device perhaps small enough to fit in a desk drawer, yet powerful enough to run a car. One sized for home power could be held in the hands. One sized for an apartment could perhaps fit in one hand.

Gawd, I wanna build one so bad! I'll tell you all when I do.

s

[whitenight639]

Stan worked for NASA untill he quit and died eating in a restraunt under suspecious curcumstances, another guy that was into free energy ''fell'' off a moving train and his autopsy said he was drunk, a friend said he didnt drink!


http://video.google.co.uk/videoplay?docid=-8346441546420435391


http://tech.groups.yahoo.com/group/watercar/

[seamus]

Are you saying Daniel Dingel is dead? Please don't tell me that.

[whitenight639]

nah i ment stan, and another bloke i heard about on a video. as far as i know hes all good.

[tru3]

It was Colorado Springs where he overloaded the generator. He had been getting the leccy for a low rate up till then, but then he had to bring in his own generating equipment.

Most people don't know this, but Tesla coils (what he was working with in that particular experiment) were NEVER meant to be run on AC voltage. No. That merely turns them into radio transmitters, and toy spark-throwers. If you read his patents, he is very clear that there must be NO reversal of current. They were designed for pulsed, increasing voltage, instant-cutoff DC. This is extremely hard to do, since capacitance in any conductor will tend to cause an oscillation. Spark gaps were the solution. Peter Lindemann in the torrent mentioned above explains it exquisitely, while giving insight into a much smaller device working on the same principle. A device perhaps small enough to fit in a desk drawer, yet powerful enough to run a car. One sized for home power could be held in the hands. One sized for an apartment could perhaps fit in one hand.

Gawd, I wanna build one so bad! I'll tell you all when I do.

s

when you get a chance, rent "the prestige". great acting and plot twists. our friend david bowie plays tesla-- talk about typecasting lol :D

Every great magic trick consists of three acts. The first act is called "The Pledge"; The magician shows you something ordinary, but of course... it probably isn't. The second act is called "The Turn"; The magician makes his ordinary some thing do something extraordinary. Now if you're looking for the secret... you won't find it, that's why there's a third act called, "The Prestige"; this is the part with the twists and turns, where lives hang in the balance, and you see something shocking you've never seen before.

problem-reaction-solution?

[dondaz]

Some really great info here. Thanks everyone!

[irak]

Nikola Tesla is the greatest practical scientist that ever lived! he was offered to be paid for every watt of power 1 cent in the entire world, and he refused it!
He knew that energy should be free, butt didn't know that was impossible while loomis are in power :) ..think of it if he had been allowed to construct his energy collectors fossil fuel would never be a matter of interest ..and we can't allow that, can we :)
Born in Smiljan, Croatia, Military Frontier, he was an ethnic Serb subject of the Austrian Empire and later became an American citizen.

I guess we should be grateful for all the other things he did..
"the man who invented the twentieth century"

[irak]

..oh and that experiment you mentioned earlier, well the hush is that he planed to invent a weapon so powerful that wagging wars would be obsolete and useless, abbout the same time he conducted his experiment the tungusk explosion occured.. later his towers were demolished under excuse that the soviets might be able to spy usa through them! yea right..
well all speculation, but! ..there's always a butt! ;)

[cruise4]

"Nikola Tessla was sent to prison for not paying his electricity bill" :D

He also had a way to do without wires I heard. All that tangle coming out the back of our kit, telgraph poles, overhead wires could all be gone. The story I heard was he'd nearly built this mushroom headed thing and then they stopped him working on it. Eventually it got taken down.

Just their continued opposition says there's something in all this.

[hagbard_celine]

Yeah, someone with brains and a conscience is a dangerous thing for the Loomies.

One day there will be a statue of Nikola Tesla in the centre of London that is taller than Nelson's Column.

[kblood]

I know that one of the things halting cars running on hydrogen fuel tablets, is the fact that one of the tests had the car explode. I only heard that as a reason for it not going to happen soon, but I the possibility of sabotage is always there :( I hope to check up on the project next time I get the chance. I think I was once visiting one of the places where they are developing it. That is why I heard of the project quite early. I read about it in a newspaper later.

I havent read anything new about it in a while. I do hope they find a way to make it run. I do have a nagging feeling that there are too many greedy people that do not want it to succeed, but it could just be the fact that the pills might not be able to "flow" through the fuel system without having causing too much friction and heat around them.

Would be nice to hunt down a UFO or some high tect spying bots of some kind. They would probably have the best kind of fuel source a government have been able to find for them.

[cruise4]

If we can have cars converted to run on natural Gas why not hydrogen? Its not that big a step. I was hoping to try this for real but I haven't got the right equipment just now to do it safely. I reckon Browns gas is a workable 'stop gap' solution.

[revolutionary_jam]

http://www.guardian.co.uk/uk_news/story/0,3604,807299,00.html#article_continue What these folks were doing in Llanelli, south Wales was that they found out that you can run a diesel car on cooking oil. This is perfectly possible and safe, and it's actually very low emission, less than 20% that of diesel

I've taken a ride in such a car ;)

Some of them just went down the local chippie at closing time and asked for the oil they usually just pour down the drain; They took it home, strained the bits out with a sieve and syphoned it into the car's tank. A few people were prosecuted for this. The charge was evading the fuel tax! Not paying tax on a product he hadn't bought! This shows what a panic the authorities were in to stop him!

This is rediculous! Cooking fat is a waste product that many restraunts have to pay to dispose of (as it doesn't mix with water, it's not legal to pour it down the drains) a lot of people with these cars just go to restraunts and get it free then put it through a filter (which costs about a grand but pays off in the long run especially if you have friends with cars you can sell it to)

[kblood]

I've taken a ride in such a car ;)

This is rediculous! Cooking fat is a waste product that many restraunts have to pay to dispose of (as it doesn't mix with water, it's not legal to pour it down the drains) a lot of people with these cars just go to restraunts and get it free then put it through a filter (which costs about a grand but pays off in the long run especially if you have friends with cars you can sell it to)

Problem is that there is more tax on fuel, when used as fuel :( So whenever something that was not sold as or aquired as fuel, there will have to be paid the tax that usually is put on fuel. The taxation on fuel is something set by the govenment I think.

Yup, they could at least lower the taxes on fuel that pollutes less, but no. Most countries only want to seem like they care about the enviroment instead of risking money on the cause as well :(

[whitenight639]

I know that one of the things halting cars running on hydrogen fuel tablets, is the fact that one of the tests had the car explode. I only heard that as a reason for it not going to happen soon, but I the possibility of sabotage is always there :( I hope to check up on the project next time I get the chance. I think I was once visiting one of the places where they are developing it. That is why I heard of the project quite early. I read about it in a newspaper later.

I havent read anything new about it in a while. I do hope they find a way to make it run. I do have a nagging feeling that there are too many greedy people that do not want it to succeed, but it could just be the fact that the pills might not be able to "flow" through the fuel system without having causing too much friction and heat around them.

Would be nice to hunt down a UFO or some high tect spying bots of some kind. They would probably have the best kind of fuel source a government have been able to find for them.


This is my forte' im not sure what pills you mean but there are many many chemical reactions that produce hydrogen that could power a car (so the pills wont be fuel but will produce the fuel) you should all be familiar with the PH scale (acid/ alcali) well that PH is short for potential hydrogen and you can make hydrogen and oxygen (in the perfect ratio to burn) by splitting water H2O into hydrogen and oxygen, it simple to do (some stainless steel plates and a car battery charger) there have been a couple of blokes that have created these devices that are over unity devices and can run a car! but the problem is that internal combustion engines use a massive amount of air so creating enough gas volume can be a problem, also ICE are only 40-60 percent efficient and when using hydrogen as a fuel most will need the ignition retarding (to stop the gasses ignighting to early, before Top dead centre) however rotary engines dont have this problem, also there have even been cells on ebay that will convert such things as aluminuim to hydrogen so you could run your car on used tin cans!! the byproduct is aluminuim oxide, but there are many other reaction that make hydrogen (without oxygen, but thats in the air anyway). As for biodiesel it is about 1.5% less powerfull than regular diesel but lubricates and cleans carbon deposits better. also untreated veg oil can be used (filtered first) and added as a supplement to regular diesel (20-50% veg oil) however it will ruin some of the natural rubber gaskets etc found in older diesel engines over time.
Browns gas is very interesting and when used for welding it has strange properties, it will change its own flame temperature to weld different materials and can weld / cut thick submarine steel! browns gas is said to be rearanged hydrogen and oxygen HHO but it is still essentially hydrogen and oxygen, I know browns gas is produced by electrolisys but not sure what else is dont to make it HHO.

[whitenight639]

Problem is that there is more tax on fuel, when used as fuel :( So whenever something that was not sold as or aquired as fuel, there will have to be paid the tax that usually is put on fuel. The taxation on fuel is something set by the govenment I think.

Yup, they could at least lower the taxes on fuel that pollutes less, but no. Most countries only want to seem like they care about the enviroment instead of risking money on the cause as well :(

HM revenue and customs have stopped taxing home brew biodiesel makers, i dont know the ins and outs of it but it was on the radio the other day.

[hagbard_celine]

I've taken a ride in such a car ;)



This is rediculous! Cooking fat is a waste product that many restraunts have to pay to dispose of (as it doesn't mix with water, it's not legal to pour it down the drains) a lot of people with these cars just go to restraunts and get it free then put it through a filter (which costs about a grand but pays off in the long run especially if you have friends with cars you can sell it to)


I was using "pour down the drain" figuratively. The point is that why go to such effort to stop the practice of fueling diesel engines with it?

[hagbard_celine]

Problem is that there is more tax on fuel, when used as fuel :( So whenever something that was not sold as or aquired as fuel, there will have to be paid the tax that usually is put on fuel. The taxation on fuel is something set by the govenment I think.

Yup, they could at least lower the taxes on fuel that pollutes less, but no. Most countries only want to seem like they care about the enviroment instead of risking money on the cause as well :(

But whoever purchsed the cooking oil has already paid VAT on it. If you prosecute someone for not paying tax on it again as fuel then it means that this product is being taxed twice!

I still say that this is just an excuse to cover their ulterior motive. They're desperate to stomp on this hard and make an example out of the "offender" in case the idea catches on. Nothing is more powerful than an idea whose time is come!

[seamus]

But whoever purchsed the cooking oil has already paid VAT on it. If you prosecute someone for not paying tax on it again as fuel then it means that this product is being taxed twice!

I still say that this is just an excuse to cover their ulterior motive. They're desperate to stomp on this hard and make an example out of the "offender" in case the idea catches on. Nothing is more powerful than an idea whose time is come!

Or how about the very real scenario in which one uses a device like John Bedini's SG battery charger to charge/run an electric car? Nothing is bought... how is the gub gonna get their cut? HUH?!? That's a friggin free energy machine, and very much verified. Or Edwin V. Gray's system, or Stanley Meyers'? There are DOZENS of free energy machines that could be adapted for vehicular use. They have all been suppressed from the market, but that doesn't keep you from building your own. I might get around to it one day ;) But don't expect me to talk publicly about it.

The inventors of the past have failed humanity in that they all wanted to get rich off their inventions instead of making the plans a matter of public record. It's really sad. Nikola tesla was the only one who was different, he and Nathan Stubblefield. But Tesla was a mite too grandiose, and Stubblefield didn't publish enough. Not that he was greedy or anything, he just perhaps missed the significance of his heating mirrors, or whatever he called them (even that is unknown).

Peaceout,
s

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[seamus]

But whoever purchsed the cooking oil has already paid VAT on it. If you prosecute someone for not paying tax on it again as fuel then it means that this product is being taxed twice!

I still say that this is just an excuse to cover their ulterior motive. They're desperate to stomp on this hard and make an example out of the "offender" in case the idea catches on. Nothing is more powerful than an idea whose time is come!

Problem is that there is more tax on fuel, when used as fuel :( So whenever something that was not sold as or aquired as fuel, there will have to be paid the tax that usually is put on fuel. The taxation on fuel is something set by the govenment I think.

Yup, they could at least lower the taxes on fuel that pollutes less, but no. Most countries only want to seem like they care about the enviroment instead of risking money on the cause as well :(

They have no desire to allow an energy economy in which they do not control the supply. It's that simple. That's why bush baby wants Hydrogen... You know what kind of infrastructure that requires? Only mega-corporations will be able to play. It's not about the environment any more than it's about the color of Donald Trump's hair. They give a DAMN.

Don't believe the hype!

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[hagbard_celine]

The inventors of the past have failed humanity in that they all wanted to get rich off their inventions instead of making the plans a matter of public record. It's really sad. Nikola tesla was the only one who was different, he and Nathan Stubblefield. But Tesla was a mite too grandiose, and Stubblefield didn't publish enough. Not that he was greedy or anything, he just perhaps missed the significance of his heating mirrors, or whatever he called them (even that is unknown).


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Stephen Greer makes this point. He shows how too many inventors are bought out by the govt with hefty technology rites with secrecy clauses. Many know that if they don't accpet the deal they'll get threatened anyway, so they say "What the hell; if I'm going to lose my life's work I might as well make a few quid off it!" One of the purposes of SEAS, Greer's company, is to act as a solidarity union for these inventers, giving them protection and mutual support.

[steevo]

If we can have cars converted to run on natural Gas why not hydrogen? Its not that big a step. I was hoping to try this for real but I haven't got the right equipment just now to do it safely. I reckon Browns gas is a workable 'stop gap' solution.

There are buses in Perth Western Australia which run on hydrogen, maybe it's only part run on hydrogen I dont know.

[hagbard_celine]

There are buses in Perth Western Australia which run on hydrogen, maybe it's only part run on hydrogen I dont know.

Brown's gas is an amazing substance.

The thing is that a car run on hydrogen is only environmentally friendly if the hydrogen has been generated by an environmentally friendly power source. Having a city full of cars run on hydrogen made by power from a nuclear or coal-fired power station only moves the pollution to another place; it doesn't solve it. Perth would have cleaner air, but ther air around the power station would be more dirty as a result.

[steevo]

Brown's gas is an amazing substance.

The thing is that a car run on hydrogen is only environmentally friendly if the hydrogen has been generated by an environmentally friendly power source. Having a city full of cars run on hydrogen made by power from a nuclear or coal-fired power station only moves the pollution to another place; it doesn't solve it. Perth would have cleaner air, but ther air around the power station would be more dirty as a result.


Yeah youre right there celine. Totally obvious. I got caught up in thinking that there WAS hope and I took my eye off the ball for a moment :o

Zinc/Air fuel cells are are good alternative, with a very interesting bi-product, see the part on 2mins 12secs :-
http://www.liveleak.com/view?i=679_1190750472

[hagbard_celine]

Yeah youre right there celine. Totally obvious. I got caught up in thinking that there WAS hope and I took my eye off the ball for a moment :o

Zinc/Air fuel cells are are good alternative, with a very interesting bi-product, see the part on 2mins 12secs :-
http://www.liveleak.com/view?i=679_1190750472

Looks like an interesting vid, thanks. It's on my list.

There IS hope though, Steevo. As I said, there are ways and means of creating Free Energy that are developed and waiting for Disclosure to succed. It will... soon!

[hagbard_celine]

Great vid! I've seen it before on TV. Robert Newman is so funny and very satirical. I love the sketch with Archduke Ferdinand!:D:D

[ezbar]

Here is a link to the perth busses (it is my home town I've seen them around)

http://www.dpi.wa.gov.au/ecobus/1206.asp

[hagbard_celine]

Here is a link to the perth busses (it is my home town I've seen them around)

http://www.dpi.wa.gov.au/ecobus/1206.asp

It's a good idea. Now all we need is a way to charge the fuel cells in an ecofriendly way. It won't be long now and we will. Then again if it's practical, why not just put the generator in the bus itself and do away with the hydrogen middle-man.

[seamus]

It's a good idea. Now all we need is a way to charge the fuel cells in an ecofriendly way. It won't be long now and we will. Then again if it's practical, why not just put the generator in the bus itself and do away with the hydrogen middle-man.
There are several proven systems by which to extract zero-point energy from the vacuum of space. The fact that these are not used, and hydrogen is being favored, is just more proof of what I said before, the elite don't care about the energy source, they only care about control, and the fool cell, er, i mean, fuel cell, is just another way to dupe the masses.

Do these buses use the pulse motor called "the wheel"? these buses do:
http://www.e-traction.com/the_whisper.htm the e-traction company has developed a system which eliminates the drivetrain completely by turning the wheels into motors!

Now, that's a real improvement!

of course, drive it with a bedini motor/generator, or the EV gray device, or Stan Meyer's hydrogen splitting technology coupled with a fool cell or even a hybrid IC setup, and you start talking COP!

s

[hagbard_celine]

There are several proven systems by which to extract zero-point energy from the vacuum of space. The fact that these are not used, and hydrogen is being favored, is just more proof of what I said before, the elite don't care about the energy source, they only care about control, and the fool cell, er, i mean, fuel cell, is just another way to dupe the masses.

Do these buses use the pulse motor called "the wheel"? these buses do:
http://www.e-traction.com/the_whisper.htm the e-traction company has developed a system which eliminates the drivetrain completely by turning the wheels into motors!

Now, that's a real improvement!

of course, drive it with a bedini motor/generator, or the EV gray device, or Stan Meyer's hydrogen splitting technology coupled with a fool cell or even a hybrid IC setup, and you start talking COP!

s

You're right. The elite only care about control.

There are several schemes in place to make ordinary fossil fuel-powered engines more efficient. I read, in Nexus I think, about someone who's got a working prototype of a motor that doubles the normal power to fuel consumption ratio, and he's being harrased by the oil companies... and he's not even into Free Energy! He's only suggesting we use less fossil fuels! See how desperate they are!?

[kblood]

About the tax on fuel issue, I just know that there is tax on fuels here in Denmark, and they are higher than normal tax. So when you take a product that is meant to be food and use it as fuel, it becomes another product and they tax it. I think farmers could use some fuel for work that they did not have to pay tax for, and back in that time, they could probably make this fuel themselves. Because of this they had their cars tested when used in non-work related driving to see which of the types of gas they were running on.

I believe that in the end became a law or tax on fuel as a product on its own. As far as I know, it doesnt even matter if what you use for fuel has already been taxed, but hopelly they are changing these stupid rules. Also our cars have 180% tax on them :(

[steevo]

:DHere is a link to the perth busses (it is my home town I've seen them around)

http://www.dpi.wa.gov.au/ecobus/1206.asp

Thanks ezbar for the link to that site. Here is a quote that I found on there :-
"Fuel cells will power cars with little or no waste at all. We happen to believe that fuel cells are the wave of the future; that fuel cells offer incredible opportunity".
US President George W. Bush Feb 25, 2002

It's a good idea. Now all we need is a way to charge the fuel cells in an ecofriendly way. It won't be long now and we will. Then again if it's practical, why not just put the generator in the bus itself and do away with the hydrogen middle-man.

The above quote from Bush *spit* is why we can't cut out the middle man, cos the little inbred bastard is involved in it.

But the good news is that, if we continue to research the Free Energy thing, the knowledge we gain is power :) no pun intended :D

[hagbard_celine]

About the tax on fuel issue, I just know that there is tax on fuels here in Denmark, and they are higher than normal tax. So when you take a product that is meant to be food and use it as fuel, it becomes another product and they tax it. I think farmers could use some fuel for work that they did not have to pay tax for, and back in that time, they could probably make this fuel themselves. Because of this they had their cars tested when used in non-work related driving to see which of the types of gas they were running on.

I believe that in the end became a law or tax on fuel as a product on its own. As far as I know, it doesnt even matter if what you use for fuel has already been taxed, but hopelly they are changing these stupid rules. Also our cars have 180% tax on them :(

It's not as if they don't take much money from us already!:(

In the Llanelli case though fuel tax evasion was not the real motive of the prosecution. The real motive was to stop people using alternative fuel sources to the official ones: petrol and diesel from your local Taxaco station. They can't come out and reveal their agenda openly though, so they do the guy for tax evasion as an excuse.

[ezbar]

Here is a story by Catalyst from the ABC (Australian Broadcasting Corporation) that examines the trials for the Perth busses (which highlighted some difficulties in hydrogen powered vehicles) and examines clean ways to produces hydrogen via algae.

Very interesting

http://www.abc.net.au/catalyst/stories/s2050132.htm

[heart]

But whoever purchsed the cooking oil has already paid VAT on it. If you prosecute someone for not paying tax on it again as fuel then it means that this product is being taxed twice!


In the UK vegetable oil sold as food is zero rated for VAT so no you dont have to pay twice and to answer the question in your first post no we dont already pay tax on cooking oil. Only when you use cooking oil for fuel is VAT charged on it. Even then its charged at a reduced rate.

Click here (http://customs.hmrc.gov.uk/channelsPortalWebApp/channelsPortalWebApp.portal?_nfpb=true&_pageLabel=pageVAT_ShowContent&id=HMCE_PROD1_024771&propertyType=document)

They charge a reduced rate of VAT on cooking oil used for fuel so in my book thats encouraging people to do it.

Biodiesel that can be shown to meet the full definition will attract a duty rate of 20 pence per litre lower than the sulphur-free diesel rate.


Sure doesn't look like they are trying to stomp on this to me. It looks like a case of someone not knowing what they are posting about.

[heart]

http://waterpoweredcar.com/stanmeyer.html

Think how much money spent in iraq how better could it be used!!!

Arabs sell us oil we sell them guns.

Stan Meyer's was convicted of fraud unfortunately hes a lying stinking religious freak con man. He robbed friends relatives and investors of the money they had invested in his worthless "invention" he sold "dealerships" for up to $100,000 offering investors the "right to do business'' in Water Fuel Cell technology. Meyer refused to allow anyone else to measure his device. Something that was only done when disgruntled investors took him to court.

There was nothing revolutionary about Stan Meyer's "invention" it was simply using conventional electrolysis.

Dennis Lee was in on the scam they actually used to use churches to recrut investors.

[whitenight639]

Stan Meyer's was convicted of fraud unfortunately hes a lying stinking religious freak con man. He robbed friends relatives and investors of the money they had invested in his worthless "invention" he sold "dealerships" for up to $100,000 offering investors the "right to do business'' in Water Fuel Cell technology. Meyer refused to allow anyone else to measure his device. Something that was only done when disgruntled investors took him to court.

There was nothing revolutionary about Stan Meyer's "invention" it was simply using conventional electrolysis.

Dennis Lee was in on the scam they actually used to use churches to recrut investors.


He worked for NASA, i doubt if he was a scam artist he would get a job there, ofcourse if you have something that works there going to tar your name, dont forget that after he died all his inventions were mysteriously stolen, including the beach buggy that ran on water i believe.

[heart]

He worked for NASA, i doubt if he was a scam artist he would get a job there, ofcourse if you have something that works there going to tar your name, dont forget that after he died all his inventions were mysteriously stolen, including the beach buggy that ran on water i believe.


His own investors (including members of his family) took him to court. Then and only then were his claims put to the test. Unfortunately they were proved to be bullshit.


Meyer refused to allow anyone else to measure his device

I wonder why?

He probably used his X NASA line in the scam to fool people (im not suggesting he didn\'t work for NASA by the way). You can just see it now people handing over $100,000 to $300,000 saying \"he must be telling the truth he used to work for NASA\".

[whitenight639]

His own investors (including members of his family) took him to court. Then and only then were his claims put to the test. Unfortunately they were proved to be bullshit.


family members can still be pressured by the elite!

[2013]

http://www.mondovista.com/meyers/
100 years ago free energy patent :D

[lucky884]

There's an interesting article here:

http://www.mayanmajix.com/art3279.html

it certainly inspired me to take free energy more seriously!

[heart]

family members can still be pressured by the elite!

There are two sorts of people who make free energy claims. Those that make genuine mistakes in testing and those who con people.

I surpose some would say people who pump hundreds of thousands into an intention they are not allowed to test, touch or in a lot of cases even see deserved to get turned over.

Meyer and his side kick promised investors they would get a proper demo of his \"invention\" many times over many years. This demo of cause never happened because Meyer knew he would be rumbled. Same went for Steorn big publicity and then no go on the demo. The storys always the same.

Here\'s a page anyone interested in free energy or who is thinking of investing in a free energy project should read.

http://www.phact.org/e/con_man.htm

[heart]

I wouldn\'t want this guy\'s life insurance premiums! But I admire him for doing something positive which doesn\'t involve official sanction.

He\'s dead and he left a lot of people dead broke in his wake.

[kblood]

Whenever some free energy source is becomming patented, I get skeptic about it. I also do doubt that it is actually free, just very harmonised. If it runs on actual vacuum energy, then it might have a limit of use in one area still. Therefore energy consumption overall is needed to be lowered as much as possible anyway I think.

To make free energy work, the machines electronics or whatever needs to consume less energy. I guess the work on nanotechnology should lessen energy consumption considerably.

[hagbard_celine]

Whenever some free energy source is becomming patented, I get skeptic about it. I also do doubt that it is actually free, just very harmonised. If it runs on actual vacuum energy, then it might have a limit of use in one area still. Therefore energy consumption overall is needed to be lowered as much as possible anyway I think.

To make free energy work, the machines electronics or whatever needs to consume less energy. I guess the work on nanotechnology should lessen energy consumption considerably.

The only Free Energy techology officially sanctioned are things like solar and wind power. These work only in small scale syatems and are unreliable. They're dependant on the weather and impractical. They're a technological cul-de-sac. It is because they don't work that the Illuminati are permitting them to be developed.

The same goes for nuclear fusion power that is being worked on near my home at Harwell in Oxfordshire. Despite a budget of billions all they've managed to generate is a few kilowatts for a second or two. The tokamak fusion reactor there needs to be heated up to temperatures similar to the centre of the sun, 10 million degrees. What kind of heat-exchanger could cope with that? Again, it's being allowed because it doesn't work.

[bicycle]

Just get a bicycle and let the fat lazy motorists pay for the roads.

[john white]

If you want another twist on this tail Hagbard, its OK for chanel 4 to do it:

Their roving foodies on "wild Gourmets" have fragrently and heedlessly broken the law as shown on the tiles of every show by filling their deisal 4x4 with cooking Oil to be "environmental"

Guess it plays well with the Sloanes in the city watching TV, but not when the Proles in the countryside give the taxman the finger

[castle]

If you want another twist on this tail Hagbard, its OK for chanel 4 to do it:

Their roving foodies on "wild Gourmets" have fragrently and heedlessly broken the law as shown on the tiles of every show by filling their deisal 4x4 with cooking Oil to be "environmental"

Guess it plays well with the Sloanes in the city watching TV, but not when the Proles in the countryside give the taxman the finger

Hi John.

I'm somewhat confused by you're post. I run my 1 of my vehicles on cooking oil and im not doing anything illegal in any way. Why exacly is it that you belive the people from the TV show are breaking the law?

[kblood]

Just get a bicycle and let the fat lazy motorists pay for the roads.

Hehe :) That is what I am doing so far :D

[joss classey]

"It's a serious offence," said Bill O'Leary, spokesman for customs and excise, which levies tax on motor oil but not on the version used in saucepans. "By law, all cars on public roads must pay a tax on the fuel they use. Evasion carries a maximum seven-year jail term."

you ever find yourself shaking with rage?

[hagbard_celine]

If you want another twist on this tail Hagbard, its OK for chanel 4 to do it:

Their roving foodies on "wild Gourmets" have fragrently and heedlessly broken the law as shown on the tiles of every show by filling their deisal 4x4 with cooking Oil to be "environmental"

Guess it plays well with the Sloanes in the city watching TV, but not when the Proles in the countryside give the taxman the finger

Yeah, how come they don't get nicked!?
:rolleyes:

[hagbard_celine]

Hi John.

I'm somewhat confused by you're post. I run my 1 of my vehicles on cooking oil and im not doing anything illegal in any way. Why exacly is it that you belive the people from the TV show are breaking the law?

If that bloke in Llanelli could be prosecuted then why doesn't this apply to the TV guys?

[hagbard_celine]

Chrck this out!:eek: http://video.google.com/videoplay?docid=-8788077276845628384&q=heavy+watergate&total=16&start=0&num=10&so=0&type=search&plindex=0

Remember all that fuss over Cold Fusion? Strangely I never seriously thought that there was any more to this story. This is the untold side of the "debacle". The only fault in this programme is it sees the whole cover-up as merely scientific gang warfare, rather than looking at the bigger picture: the politics of energy itself.

Here's a very dodgy doc from the masters of establishment reaction, Horizon: http://www.mininova.org/tor/265817 They're so desperate to persuade us that sonluminescence is not caused by nuclear fusion that they neglect to tell us what else it's meant to be! Do they think we're stupid?:mad: I guess they do. The last line is a classic! That narrator has a sexy voice, but she sounds so smug when she says: "Just that: a dream!"

[castle]

"It's a serious offence," said Bill O'Leary, spokesman for customs and excise, which levies tax on motor oil but not on the version used in saucepans. "By law, all cars on public roads must pay a tax on the fuel they use. Evasion carries a maximum seven-year jail term."

you ever find yourself shaking with rage?

Its a serious offence if you dont pay the tax on it. Its not illegal to do its illegal to doge the tax.

[castle]

If that bloke in Llanelli could be prosecuted then why doesn't this apply to the TV guys?


The guy in Llanelli was prosecuted for tax evasion.

Theres a tax for using cooking oil (which you dont pay tax on) if you use it as a fuel. This Guy in Llanelli was prosecuted for not paying the tax not for running his vehicle on cooking oil as i do.

[castle]

"It's a serious offence," said Bill O'Leary, spokesman for customs and excise, which levies tax on motor oil but not on the version used in saucepans. "By law, all cars on public roads must pay a tax on the fuel they use. Evasion carries a maximum seven-year jail term."

you ever find yourself shaking with rage?


Joss may i ask if its a serious offence to run you're car on cooking oil why does the tax office have a site informing you how to do it legally?

Ive been doing it for years and paying the tax its not illegal at all. Only not paying the tax will get you in trouble.

[castle]

Some people seem confused about running a vehicle on cooking oil. Running your car on cooking oil is not illegal in any way. So long as the people on the TV programme pay the tax its fine there is nothing illegal in what they are doing.

http://customs.hmrc.gov.uk/channelsP...yType=document

I hope this post has cleared up any confusion.

Running your car on cooking oil is not illegal and the peole on the TV are not breaking the law

[lookfar]

Some people seem confused about running a vehicle on cooking oil. Running your car on cooking oil is not illegal in any way. So long as the people on the TV programme pay the tax its fine there is nothing illegal in what they are doing.

http://customs.hmrc.gov.uk/channelsP...yType=document

I hope this post has cleared up any confusion.

Running your car on cooking oil is not illegal and the peole on the TV are not breaking the law

Thanks castle, but that link doesn't work. Can you please repost it.

[castle]

Might i just add as my dear wife just reminded me (she does all the paperwork type stuff). You have to use more than 2500 litres per year before any tax is due when using the oil as fuel. The law changed in July, previously all oil used as fuel was liable for tax at a reduced rate. Now you only pay tax on anything after 2500 liters at the standard fuel tax rate.

Here's that link again

http://customs.hmrc.gov.uk/channelsPortalWebApp/channelsPortalWebApp.portal?_nfpb=true&_pageLabel=pageVAT_ShowContent&id=HMCE_PROD1_024771&propertyType=document

The links tested and working :-)

[castle]

Each month he tells the authorities how much vegetable oil he has used and estimates it costs him about 73p a litre - which is cheaper than diesel and perfectly legal.

Last year (2002) Dyfed-Powys Police officers impounded a number of cars in the Llanelli area for using vegetable oil as the drivers had not paid duty on it.

He said the arrests in Llanelli last year had detracted from the positive case for vegetable oil as a fuel and most people now thought it was illegal.

http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/wales/south_west/3104763.stm

[castle]

Yeah, how come they don't get nicked!?
:rolleyes:

Could it be the fact that they are doing nothing illegal, do you think?

:rolleyes:

I read something you posted about the government tying to stamp this out. Thats laughable when you think in July they changed the law so you dont have to pay tax on any cooking oil you use as fuel untill you go over 2500 liters a year. Before that you had to pay tax on every drop. That dosent seem like a government suppression tactic to me. BTW dont go thinking it was illegal before July that was not the case.

Get away from the idea that running your car on cooking oil is illegal cos its just flat wrong. You saw the cases in Wales and got the wrong end of the stick. Those guys were not paying the tax that they owed thats what got them a fine. Funny thing is nowadays they would even get done for tax evasion unless the went over the 2500 liter limit and still didn't cough up.

[edit]

http://www.davidicke.com/forum/image.php?u=9268&dateline=1192458971
http://www.civilization.ca/tresors/immigration/elem/img/im0284b.jpg

[castle]

http://www.davidicke.com/forum/image.php?u=9268&dateline=1192458971
http://www.civilization.ca/tresors/immigration/elem/img/im0284b.jpg


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[edit]

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Panchanga The five limbs of the panchanga are:

1. Vara (solar day) 2. Tithi (lunar day) 3. Nakshatra (lunar asterism) 4. Yoga (conjunction of planets) 5. Karana (half of a lunar day) Vara (solar day), literally means a weekday. This is the time from one sunrise to the next. For official purposes, one day is reckoned from midnight to midnight. The solar day of the Hindus is divided into four parts: divas (day), ratri (night), sandhya (morning twilight), sandhyansha (evening twilight). One solar day is made of 60 ghatikas and also of 15 muhurtas. The Hindus follow a seven-day week system and each day of the week is a vara.

The seven varas of a week are Ravivara (Sunday), Somvara (Monday), Mangalavara (Tuesday), Budhvara (Wednesday), Brihaspativara (Thursday), Shukravara (Friday), and Shanivara (Saturday).

Each vara is special to a particular presiding deity. The seven varas are also associated with the seven planets of the Hindus. Ravivara is sacred to Surya hence sun worship is enjoined on this day.

Somvara is sacred to the moon. As the moon is an adornment of Shiva, it is also sacred to him. Since he is an ascetic, people observe fasts on this day to please him. By performing a vrata for 16 Mondays, it is believed that all wishes are fulfilled.link.. (http://64.233.183.104/search?q=cache:ffPdlIxEoRUJ:www.punditravi.com/belief.htm+somvara+sanskrit+means&hl=nl&ct=clnk&cd=2&gl=nl)

[castle]

samovar... the sem- root that means "same" ..is also in Russian and Saunskrita...>>

Words, words, words… (http://64.233.183.104/search?q=cache:vDqdm-nCuowJ:www.io.com/~dierdorf/ww-41.html+samovar+sanskrit+means&hl=nl&ct=clnk&cd=3&gl=nl)
Digressing slightly, the sem- root that means "same" is also in Russian samovar and samizdat (self-boiler and self-publishing, respectively) and ...

link.. (http://64.233.183.104/search?q=cache:ffPdlIxEoRUJ:www.punditravi.com/belief.htm+somvara+sanskrit+means&hl=nl&ct=clnk&cd=2&gl=nl)

So your having a pop at me then, thanx chum.

Disinformation is not a good thing but hey maybe i shouldn't have spoken up in case you didn't like it.

Get a life edit.

Now do you have anything to say on the subjects in this thread or are you only here to take the piss and make childish comments?

[edit]

im not mixing the tithis there? welll...yorewelcome..
anyways
theres solar-tik and luna-tic moon..de.. no mixing up the tits and bits..like the 2 forums.. see link.. (http://www.davidicke.com/forum/newreply.php?do=newreply&noquote=1&p=161477)& llinnkk.. (http://www.***********************/index.php)

[castle]

http://48facets.files.wordpress.com/2007/03/tired-yawn.jpg

Now if you dont mind have you anything to contribute towards the subjects of the thread?

[lookfar]

So your having a pop at me then, thanx chum.

Disinformation is not a good thing but hey maybe i shouldn't have spoken up in case you didn't like it.

Get a life edit.

Now do you have anything to say on the subjects in this thread or are you only here to take the piss and make childish comments?

Hi castle
I'd try not to let edit's posts offend you if you can, she's rather "unique" in her postings IMO & I do tend to overlook them now:) No offence meant edit, but I find them too hard work, just my opinion of course, we're obviously not on the same level, lol:)
Love to you all x

[castle]

Hi castle
I'd try not to let edit's posts offend you if you can, she's rather "unique" in her postings IMO & I do tend to overlook them now:) No offence meant edit, but I find them too hard work, just my opinion of course, we're obviously not on the same level, lol:)
Love to you all x

No worries.

Empty vessels and all that.

[hagbard_celine]

The guy in Llanelli was prosecuted for tax evasion.

Theres a tax for using cooking oil (which you dont pay tax on) if you use it as a fuel. This Guy in Llanelli was prosecuted for not paying the tax not for running his vehicle on cooking oil as i do.

Didn't he get a warning or a reminder from the Inland Revenue?

[castle]

Didn't he get a warning or a reminder from the Inland Revenue?

It would be trickey for HMRC to send them warnings or reminders as they hadn't told them they were doing it in the first place which at the time was also an offence.

Those guys from Llanelli thought they were on a good screw nipping down to ASDA and buying cooking oil to use as fuel. Actually they didn't think it through properly. They paid for their oil when its available for free and if they had paid the tax which at the time was a lot less than normal diesel tax they could have saved a fortune and not got fined £600. The Asda supermarket in Llanelli actually slapped a ration on cooking oil sales people were buying that much. Hundreds of drivers were up to it in that area. If it had just been a few customs would probably never have found out.

Like i posted earlier the tax is a doddle now. You dont have to register with HMRC and you dont have to pay any tax untill you have used more than 2500 liters in a single year. The government are encouraging the use of cooking oil with things like the new tax break they are not suppressing it.

[hagbard_celine]

It would be trickey for HMRC to send them warnings or reminders as they hadn't told them they were doing it in the first place which at the time was also an offence.

Those guys from Llanelli thought they were on a good screw nipping down to ASDA and buying cooking oil to use as fuel. Actually they didn't think it through properly. They paid for their oil when its available for free and if they had paid the tax which at the time was a lot less than normal diesel tax they could have saved a fortune and not got fined £600. The Asda supermarket in Llanelli actually slapped a ration on cooking oil sales people were buying that much. Hundreds of drivers were up to it in that area. If it had just been a few customs would probably never have found out.

Like i posted earlier the tax is a doddle now. You dont have to register with HMRC and you dont have to pay any tax untill you have used more than 2500 liters in a single year. The government are encouraging the use of cooking oil with things like the new tax break they are not suppressing it.

Hmm... I wonder if they've done a deal. Maybe Shell are taking a cut!

[castle]

I really cant see many if any drivers using over their 2500 liters a year personal allowance and therfore i cant see many if any drivers paying any tax. Shells cuts going to be awfully small.

[hagbard_celine]

Exclusive new interview with Stephen Greer, on Barry Eaton's Radio Out There (top entry):

http://www.radiooutthere.com/blog/

[castle]

I think this thread shows how people can be swept along by things that simply ain't true without even stopping to question them. One person posts that running your car on chip fat is illegal which is and was bullshit and within a few posts a huge conspiracy has evolved around something thats simply not true. People were asking why this person or that person hasn't been done it never occurred to them that the claim its illegal could be wrong.