reconciling the dimensional being

[verndewd]

ever since my sister had the dream about walking through dimensions I have been on a tangent to explore the multi dimensional being.
i posted some info from myself as well as another poster here whod happened on a good science find in the shift of ages thread.

http://www.davidicke.com/forum/showthread.php?t=124300&page=3

http://www.davidicke.com/forum/showthread.php?t=111209

This dimension we call home seems as if it could be a midway point between all of our dimensional bodies since extremes of both ends of the spectrums can manifest here. What I like to call dimensional bleeding or leaking.

I also theorized on another thread http://www.davidicke.com/forum/showthread.php?t=129971 That solidity is an illusion manifested by repetition.

So I was meditating last night after seeing a bright light very far up in the sky pulse and seem to travel into the corner star of the big dipper and disappear.
I saw hands on a device by being dressed in white and travelled through the device's blue light, travelling continued through many strange visualizations until I arrived at a visualization of all of my dimensional selves where I promptly started connecting the heart chakra of all the selves , by the end I felt as though I was connected to all dimensional selves hearts.

i could see the differences in the planes or dimensions as in the darkest dimension of the self I manifested realization in light and redefined the ideas of the darkness into passive observation , for example, the ability to witness anti light is to assume the bengness of anti light though not being that which seems apparent but only observing the interaction without judgement.

I felt this is a dimensional bleed through that needs the attention in my life as many here can attest :D

I hadnt intended on seeing anything with the meditation I just felt if there were visitors in the sky perhaps theyd like to chat :D

reconciling the dimensional self is seeing the differences, changing the idea of personally investing creation into judgeing it and manifesting the connection of the energy center.

All dimensional selves are required to make you who you are in the god mind and being, it is important that you redefine the darkest self into a passive observer and make whatever changes to each dimensional representation that increase your resonance.

If you have ideas on this please share them, this level of interaction with the self is kinda new. I mean i knew about paralell universes a long time ago just havent had a meditation like this..

Your thoughts are appreciated :D

[verndewd]

http://i185.photobucket.com/albums/x56/verndewd/Theinterdimensionalbeing.jpg

We are connected to each dimensional representation, I think theoretically it only takes one consciousness to bring about convergence and there by ascension. I believe this could be the prerequisite to ascending to god mind that you first realize the multidimensionality of the self and then reconcile the dimensional disharmony.
i wouldnt think that reconciling the disharmony is instantaneous. it could require that after the realization it necessitates travel to a dimension where the lifespan is long enough to accomodate the learning it requires at the intervals of dimensional shifts noted by The Hopi and other indigenous / ancient observations.

[verndewd]

http://www.cyberspaceorbit.com/interdimern.htm
http://www.lightcoloursound.com/spiritual_psychotherapy/

http://selftoself.com/messages/a07_07_05.htm

a short search uncovered some interesting ideas.

[verndewd]

Ok since we have no takers I will venture out on a limb to explain what was inspired in me.

just as a foot note I try drawing diagrams and symbols to wrap my head around this idea and have come up with just fragmnents of relative ideas but here goes.

certain core aspects of our being are relative to the core aspects of our different dimensional selves. we could see this like vortexes or channels to these other dimensions where these core aspects of our being reside, like a myraid of rabbit holes of potential direction for the self.

these go from infinitely slow and dense to infinitely fast and light.

Observing these dimensional vortexes in our core aspects of being and connecting to all of then is the beginning of the act of convergence or reconciliation of the aspects of being to solidify the procession to your individual destination. meaning yes you choose it whatever it is.

In visualizing and connecting to the heart chakras you come to visualize the core aspect of each dimension where by you can manifest direction by reconciling differences in perception to the desired aspect of being , which means You must enlighten the dimensional self to the desired direction and adjust the perception of each dimension to suit it.

Thats where I draw the passive observer idea to the slowest dimension, where you could say that aspect would be similar to the effects of nuclear radiation on organic beings, its a passive destruction, so you need only observe that rather than act on it.
which in this plane would mean a similar idea of non judgement and non low vibrational actions.

[zsymon]

I believe that we are all souls that are billions of years old.. we have already
learned all these things we are seeking in this one incarnation.. I believe that
our purpose here is not to ascend or to become enlightened, because these
concepts have no meaning at all, if you know that the soul is already billions
of years old.

I believe that we come here to remember who we are, to bypass the blocks
that caused our amnesia, so we can be reminded what our purpose is, as to
start working on fulfilling our purpose. This amnesia only occurs when we go
into an incarnation here on Earth, because of global blocks that have been
laid over this planet by the darkness. It was never intended that we lose all
our memories and our connection with our higher selves when we are born.
As we are not here to learn, but to heal, and amnesia does not teach, it only
blocks remembering.

I don't believe that our purpose is to ourselves, but that our purpose is to
others, to humanity and to the planet. I believe that we are all great beings
with amazing healing capacity, and our purpose in this solar system, is to
heal the damage caused by the darkness to what was here before this solar
system.

Ascension and enlightenment are all service to self concepts, they are status
ego concepts and we are not here to serve ourselves. We are here to serve
those around us with the energy of unconditional love. So this planet may be
restored to the paradise it was always meant to be. Negativity is not part of
life on Earth, negativity came from outside of this solar system in an invasion,
long ago.

[verndewd]

well belief is just belief :D

I believe we are part of a massive mechanism that recreates itself, that we are new additions to a process whos age is inconcievable and that in order to fulfill the billions of years old form that was created for each of us to grow into, we are to learn as much as we can from the trail of ancient and current knowledge that exists.

I believe there is a god persona created for every creative intellect to grow into and to do that we need to adjust our sight to see reality as our god self does which in this place means coming to bhudda or christ mind.

I believe the process means drawing as much from our divine dimension into ourselves as is possible in one life to sway the other dimensional selves into one accord and then we may ascend to higher dimensions of consciousness to continue the great work, most likely without much remembrance of the dimension we exited.

This giving the illusion of past lives when its one singular progression through dimensions.

[zsymon]

It's an interesting belief for sure.. but it seems to be entirely based on
service to self, on learning to become stronger and better yourself, on
ascending as an individual into a higher consciousness or dimension, in
which we become wiser and stronger and in which we gain more power
and knowledge..

All this is in service to ourselves..

My very being cries out to help others, this has always been like that,
so I cannot believe we exist just to serve ourselves, just to improve
ourselves, just to become more knowledgable or powerful ourselves.

That is why I said enlightenment and ascension are status concepts,
because they place us above others. I believe we are all equal in value,
so status means ego, and ego only exists to serve to self.

Anyway, that is just my perspective.

[verndewd]

It's an interesting belief for sure.. but it seems to be entirely based on
service to self, on learning to become stronger and better yourself, on
ascending as an individual into a higher consciousness or dimension, in
which we become wiser and stronger and in which we gain more power
and knowledge..

But all this is in serve to ourselves..

My very being cries out to help others, this has always been like that,
so I cannot believe we exist just to serve ourselves, just to improve
ourselves, just to become more knowledgable or powerful ourselves.

Anyway, that is just my perspective.

youre looking at it in reverse. It has nothing to do with service to the self as the process is entirely self less.

[zsymon]

I don't understand, how is living and existing for the sole reason of improving yourself, selfless?
By existing and living to improve yourself, you are serving no one but yourself, no one is in any
way benefiting from your work, except yourself.

You see what I mean?

[verndewd]

I don't understand, how is living and existing for the sole reason of improving yourself, selfless?

persevere in your life and doctrine and you will save yourself as well as others. it means the closer you get the closer thos around you get.

[zsymon]

Hmm, sorry I don't understand that, I don't understand how you are helping
others by saving yourself, could you explain it more clearly to me, please? I
feel that I am not really getting what you are trying to say.

[verndewd]

Hmm, sorry I don't understand that, I don't understand how you are helping
others by saving yourself, by living and existing only to improve yourself..
could you explain it more clearly to me, please?

its not a good sign that you cant see it zsymon.

were all vessals of information, we exchange this information on a daily basis through spoken written and physical language. As we evolve our understanding evolves and hence our languages follow, generally the people we are closest to pick up on that , the people that see and witness these things pick up on that, in order to maintain a dilaogue they have to implement what they see or they reject it and dialogue stops.

its completyely synergistic, now I have illuminated everything about how I understand my path to any willing to make use of it and done so free of charge.

i would say thats pretty selfless. I realize not everyone will use the same descriptors and that has immense purpose in the greater design, again being selfless.

Its the saving of the self while sharing all the information as you go, again selfless.

its the unkowing of the end state of being and non judgement as to the pinnacle state that again is selfless.

do I need to continue?

[zsymon]

Sharing information by itself is not selfless, it could be selfless if your intent
is truly to help others, and not just sharing it out of boredom, but it could
also be done for malicious reasons. Not saying you belong to either groups,
just as an example.

With serving others I mean sacrificing yourself for them, I don't mean you
should sacrifice your life for someone, although that would be one of the most
intense ways of serving others, but I mean sacrificing your energy and your
time for others.

Such as growing vegetables and giving them to the poor, or serving in a
hospital a few hours a week without asking for payment, or helping your
old mother get through the day, or spending time with old people in their
homes to battle their loneliness, or using your innate spiritual healing gifts
to heal the sick and the troubled.

I'm talking about real service to others..

I believe that this is why we are born onto this planet, to actually serve
others instead of spending all our time working on ourselves. I agree that
an extent of work on the self must be done to remember the healing gifts
that are necessary to spiritually help others, but most service to others
does not require any work on the self at all.

I believe that this is why we are born, to make the planet into a better
place through service to others and sacrifice of the self for others. Many
of us live good lives, but the vast majority of people on Earth live miserable
lives, and they deserve our help.. they can't do anything with what we
share on forums free of charge, they need our money, our commitment,
our effort, our energy and our time.. not our metaphysical ponderings.

With all the posts we make in our lives, we won't help a single child in
Pakistan, we won't help a single person in our family, we won't help a single
person even in our closest neighbourhood..

Our forum posts and our spiritual sharing of beliefs may give people some ideas
about how the metaphysical world works, but it doesn't actually help anyone
at all with their lives.

If we are honest, it just serves our own need to be recognized and respected
by a community. The only way I am actually helping people on this forum, is
not by feeding them the knowledge I learned from my experiences, but by
giving them access to a healer that works for free and from any distance. That
is my only actual contribution to the world when I sit behind my computer and
write my posts.. I'm not even doing the healing myself.. so how much am I really
helping the world, personally?

That is why I try to teach people how to spiritually awaken and remember who
they really are, so they too, like I am trying, can remember their healing gifts
and use them in the service of the sick, the depressed and the troubled. As this
is a very efficient way to improve people's lives, without having to do physical
labour, which not all of us are capable of.

[verndewd]

Sharing information by itself is not selfless, it could be selfless if your intent
is truly to help others, and not just sharing it out of boredom, but it could
also be done for malicious reasons. Not saying you belong to either groups,
just as an example.

With serving others I mean sacrificing yourself for them, I don't mean you
should sacrifice your life for someone, although that would be one of the most
intense ways of serving others, but I mean sacrificing your energy and your
time for others.

Such as growing vegetables and giving them to the poor, or serving in a
hospital a few hours a week without asking for payment, or helping your
old mother get through the day, or spending time with old people in their
homes to battle their loneliness, or using your innate spiritual healing gifts
to heal the sick and the troubled.

I'm talking about real service to others..

I believe that this is why we are born onto this planet, to actually serve
others instead of spending all our time working on ourselves. I agree that
an extent of work on the self must be done to remember the healing gifts
that are necessary to spiritually help others, but most service to others
does not require any work on the self at all.

I believe that this is why we are born, to make the planet into a better
place through service to others and sacrifice of the self for others. Many
of us live good lives, but the vast majority of people on Earth live miserable
lives, and they deserve our help.. they can't do anything with what we
share on forums free of charge, they need our money, our commitment,
our effort, our energy and our time.. not our metaphysical ponderings.

With all the posts we make in our lives, we won't help a single child in
Pakistan, we won't help a single person in our family, we won't help a single
person even in our closest neighbourhood..

Our forum posts and our spiritual sharing of beliefs may give people some ideas
about how the metaphysical world works, but it doesn't actually help anyone
at all with their lives.

are you making comparative judgements?

I am really questioning motive here.

I have a pretty good track record in my life, not perfect but still pretty damn good. what you seem to be implying is so erroneous i seriously need to caution you to look at your life and dont compare it to what you think of mine but do not know. i cant believe you typed that.

[zsymon]

I am not comparing my life to yours, and I am not comparing your life
to anything at all. I am not attempting to make judgements about your
life, I apologize if it came across like that.

I was not talking about your personal life. :)

I was questioning a life in service to our own improvement, without ever
taking the time to actually help someone, such as many people seem to
act like, who claim to be on a path of enlightenment or ascension. I was
responding to your metaphysical beliefs and not making comments on
your personal achievements.

My only point was, that making metaphysical posts and working on our
own ascension or enlightenment, will not actually help anyone at all. I
then continued and used myself as an example for this perspective. I'm
not sure why you think I was attacking you personally.. you should know
by now I never attack people, and I do my best to never judge them either.

[verndewd]

I am not comparing my life to yours, and I am not comparing your life
to anything at all. I am not attempting to make judgements about your
life, I apologize if it came across like that.

My only point was, that making metaphysical posts and working on our
own ascension or enlightenment, will not actually help anyone at all.

i can prove that wrong hand over fist. And you did judge me and what information I was tasked to explain, not only in the bolded statement but in the statement above.

i want to lay one simple principal down for you, darkness cannot be where light is, where ever you bring light you unburden the path for others and reduce stumbling, and were all working on various levels of that affecting the various levels of minds persuing it, you at your level and me at mine, and not out of boredom as you accused, for me its out of desperation to make sense of a gift i was given , because I know that If i can illuminate it well enough others will take it from there and expand on it.

Your posts have been disappointing and pointed in this thread, I attribute that to where youre at in your persuit and the level of sight you have so far. i wouldnt continue to make these implications If I were you, I think it could slow you to do so.

[verndewd]

i want to add that I am everyone and everyone is me. In the infinite collective information is instantaneously available regardless of what seems to be distance, growth from manifested realization is instantaneous. The same applies here, the increase of your own light unburdens the world and increases the worlds light.

all of the statements you have made so far are completely material based. You cant save anyone but you and if you "save " you others can learn by your methods and gauin immensely. the preservation of the many lies in the preservation of the one, and if you can honor one life and nurture it to fruition you have unburdened the whole.

The path begins and ends in you . once you are light people will see by you, And i am one of the very few who cast self profit off decades ago in lieu of mass profit knowing that as many define their unique paths and own them we all become less burdened and more like what we were designed to be.

i dont create followers and co dependants i show people their equality and make them brothers. were all men like this there would be no gaza issue nor the ego to weigh comparatives in the face of sincerity and concern for the world.

[firstlook]

Function and formula is the discipline I see predominately discussed when talking about service to self and service to others.

It seems that the function we choose to raise emotional frequency is often misconceived as personal formula. This is judged from both sides of the argument. That is it only happens when the argument or conflict is realized between two identities.

But i think its often like I said, a loss of trust in another's free will to experiment with their formula, for a more effective function.

I must also point out that service to others is a mirror concept. And so if your observation of another's interest in service to self concept is indeed your own perception of how to include new formula. While still keeping core function.

So it seems that real service to others in this Earth reality are not debaters of the subject itself. Disagreement falls second to adaption and reflection.

Change is requisite, and so service to self is a way of holographic creativity.

Again its a mirror concept so, its all relative I guess anyways.

[verndewd]

Function and formula is the discipline I see predominately discussed when talking about service to self and service to others.

It seems that the function we choose to raise emotional frequency is often misconceived as personal formula. This is judged from both sides of the argument. That is it only happens when the argument or conflict is realized between two identities.

But i think its often like I said, a loss of trust in another's free will to experiment with their formula, for a more effective function.

I must also point out that service to others is a mirror concept. And so if your observation of another's interest in service to self concept is indeed your own perception of how to include new formula. While still keeping core function.

So it seems that real service to others in this Earth reality are not debaters of the subject itself. Disagreement falls second to adaption and reflection.

Change is requisite, and so service to self is a way of holographic creativity.

Again its a mirror concept so, its all relative I guess anyways.

I think that is appropriate if however complex for some. It suits how I see it. There isnt alot of discussion on my threads and I dont beg others to change that, I share the immensely complicated vision I was given in hopes that even a strand of it can be useful to others.

[firstlook]

I think that is appropriate if however complex for some. It suits how I see it.

I think also their is a......."high singularity potential" in the idea of focus on self to benefit others. That is indeed a heavy topic.

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[verndewd]

i spent 14 years getting to the point of even understanding any of it myself, the least I can hope for is that someone reflects on it even once in their considerations of their path. Its such a massive thing to try to explain I let it go from even trying to explain it to people for 14 years, I had to learn about quantum physics and Mtheory and a bit on materials sciences as well as a whole range of other scientific ideas because thats the only terminology that fits the vision , which I in turn speak out entirely in spiritual terms compared to the sciences i borrowed terminology from.

Maybe its a head full of absolutely nothing but as the collective as my witness my whole life has been travelling this one immensely massive picture of the nature of existence and spirit.

have you ever looked at a seemingly impossible task and just stared , stupified by what you see not knowing if you can do the task but you cant stop the information from coming so ypou wind up doing it anyway, and the more you do the more impossible it seems?

[firstlook]

I think that is appropriate if however complex for some. It suits how I see it. There isnt alot of discussion on my threads and I dont beg others to change that, I share the immensely complicated vision I was given in hopes that even a strand of it can be useful to others.

Right, the formula of your threads exude their own force. Opening up potential understandings for improving others functions.

Rotational service, you could call it.

:)

[verndewd]

Right, the formula of your threads exude their own force. Opening up potential understandings for improving others functions.

Rotational service, you could call it.

:)

exactly I need feedback to understand it more fully. I can see it work but I cant define it all, theres too much to it.

[verndewd]

What I need is a phd in the following
physics
quantum mechanics
materials sciences
astrophysics
ancient lingusitics
botony
biology
theology
and mathematics

that would be a great place to start and then Id have to utterly desecrate all of that knowledge and come up with completely original ideas based on the vision.

[verndewd]

The next phase of this thread or post as you prefer is stalled on trying to explain how this dimension is the pivot point to reconciling all the dimensional selves and I think I have it boiled down to the symbol of the enlightened mind or what the jews would pretend is the star of david.

Interestingly the heart chakra is symbolized by the very same star which is important becuase true enlightenment is the heart mind prevailing over the head mind and the head mind serving as the conduit to rationalizing input from the infinite consciousness or crown chakra.

The heart chakra represents the reconciliation of the dimensional beings and as its the key to building the temple of the self so is it the key to the convergence of the dimensional and the key to ascending to godmind.

all energies of the self must be ruled by the heart mind in order to reconcile all differences and ascend.

[firstlook]

What I need is a phd in the following
physics
quantum mechanics
materials sciences
astrophysics
ancient lingusitics
botony
biology
theology
and mathematics

that would be a great place to start and then Id have to utterly desecrate all of that knowledge and come up with completely original ideas based on the vision.

Everything we need is available to create original ideas. Its effectively introducing them to outside forces that is so hard. IMO.

I actually am interested in learning about advertising. The deeper meanings in the topic.

anyways, I always enjoy your threads. At least one person lets your formulas in.;)

Its all very much about trust, I'm finding.

Trust and advertising will now be stuck in my head. lol.

:)

[firstlook]

The next phase of this thread or post as you prefer is stalled on trying to explain how this dimension is the pivot point to reconciling all the dimensional selves and I think I have it boiled down to the symbol of the enlightened mind or what the jews would pretend is the star of david.

Interestingly the heart chakra is symbolized by the very same star which is important becuase true enlightenment is the heart mind prevailing over the head mind and the head mind serving as the conduit to rationalizing input from the infinite consciousness or crown chakra.

The heart chakra represents the reconciliation of the dimensional beings and as its the key to building the temple of the self so is it the key to the convergence of the dimensional and the key to ascending to godmind.

all energies of the self must be ruled by the heart mind in order to reconcile all differences and ascend.

Have you heard of the MCEO teachings and Keylontic Science? I think you'd be fascinated by the complexity of the material.

[verndewd]

Everything we need is available to create original ideas. Its effectively introducing them to outside forces that is so hard. IMO.

I actually am interested in learning about advertising. The deeper meanings in the topic.

anyways, I always enjoy your threads. At least one person lets your formulas in.;)

Its all very much about trust, I'm finding.

Trust and advertising will now be stuck in my head. lol.

:)

it is about trust and I trust zsymon does as well as he can along his path for the same reason I go about mine, increasing the light in the world, even lyght kyng is doing the same by different mechanisms. were onsessed with a driving inner force to understand what keeps begging us to explore and define.

I do fault those that create religious like followings but not those who are zooming along their path dropping all the knowledge out for others to use freely and totally redefine if they need to .

[verndewd]

Have you heard of the MCEO teachings and Keylontic Science? I think you'd be fascinated by the complexity of the material.

I happened across something keylontic this week or last, didnt pay it much mind at the time, MCEO is completely unfamiliar.

[firstlook]

I happened across something keylontic this week or last, didnt pay it much mind at the time, MCEO is completely unfamiliar.

Google: Keylontic Dictionary

Stimulating to say the least.:D

[verndewd]

Google: Keylontic Dictionary

Stimulating to say the least.:D

shes wrong about the dna manifesting the higher states

http://www.keylonticdictionary.org/online/index.php?page=identity0

its pretty close to being right on though.

she also says of material beings that there are 5 3d dimensions , I believe there are more, and there are 18 deminsional selves which I dont think she can validate. "ashayana deane" has a few good points but she over steps her actual knowledge.

the multi dimensional being is a representation of the original god mind that is the proverbial carrot infront of the cart called intelligent being, the variables of dimensional self are a puzzle that when figured out becomes the union or ascension of the being. The heart is the key to that puzzle, once a person establishes the entire firmament of light in the heart he adds to the momentum of the puzzle being solved the ascension becoming tangible.

I an my sister believe Deane has sold out her credibility and effectiveness to that end but she does have some truths. Other than that shes a charlatain confusing people and charging them alot to confuse them like so many others. icke is more credible than she is due to his draw your own conclusions disclaimer and not making it a school for a fledgling dogmatist.

at least she admits hers is a dogma but I dont buy into all of it, shes way over the top.

[firstlook]

shes wrong about the dna manifesting the higher states

http://www.keylonticdictionary.org/online/index.php?page=identity0

its pretty close to being right on though.

she also says of material beings that there are 5 3d dimensions , I believe there are more, and there are 18 deminsional selves which I dont think she can validate. "ashayana deane" has a few good points but she over steps her actual knowledge.

I like the stuff on bardo process she delves into. Her explaining the Death process is familiar to think about.

I dont know anything about the DNA particulars or dimensions. I just let that stuff fall under "to be discussed later" file.

Just another source to reflect. That dictionary is frequency raising.

[verndewd]

I like the stuff on bardo process she delves into. Her explaining the Death process is familiar to think about.

I dont know anything about the DNA particulars or dimensions. I just let that stuff fall under "to be discussed later" file.

Just another source to reflect. That dictionary is frequency raising.

exactly its confirmation for me. I am after all working from one vision back in the late 90's which has taken me 14 years to learn the scientific descriptors.

I almost bailed on ever trying to describe this to anyone, its my personal experience and I cant save anyone but me, and I am so much less than perfect its not funny; but the fuckin shit just wont go away its there all the time every day and when I see a descriptor its like building 7 on 9/11 , all of these levels of understanding just flood into my head, symbols and all of this stuff, i feel like I have to get this out of my head or I wont understand it and it wont change into something more tangible.

Liek I just need to throw iit out there for a few thinkers to consider and rebuff in their own minds or approve of and its not like I need any feedback directly because it comes down the pipeline of consciousness as I progress, all the information is there and evolving its like headspace email 24/7.

I couldnt be like deane, its too important that others find flaws if and when they happen. On the dimensions above this and into the god mind were all working at a very naturally rapid pace on all of this and all of that information is written on the energy that passes through everything.

i just have to do my part to pour out all I come to be inspired with and see how it changes and redefine myself with it. Theres a massive energy happening through us, I dont hqave to be completely understood because on higher dimensions they are sharing ideas beyond my capacity to fully understand its like an ocean made of radio waves of higher light always coming in and going out and forever changing shapes.

[verndewd]

Tibetan: bar-do thos-grol Pronounced: Bardo Thötröl

The Bardo Thödol (incorrectly translated in the West as The Tibetan Book of the Dead) can be understood at two levels:

1. as advanced practice for trained meditators, and,

2. as support for beings experiencing the bardo without specific meditative training,

experience or empowerment.




The Bardo Thödol is a text based on oral teachings by Padmasambhava (Guru Rinpoche) and recorded in written form

around 760 AD. Through early misrepresentation to the West by the incomplete translation of Evans-Wentz (1878-1957),

practitioners in the West have come to know this text as The Tibetan Book of the Dead, a title that has misguided many.

A much better translation is The Great Liberation Through Hearing in the Intermediate State.



Serious meditative practitioners, who have received the proper empowerments (initiations) meditative training and

sustained meditative experience, have an opportunity at death to recognize the Clear Light of the Absolute True Nature

of Reality and achieve Ultimate Enlightenment at that time. Much of an advanced practitioner's meditative training

involves meeting this transformative moment.



To help the dying achieve the goal of auspicious re-birth or even Enlightenment, a spiritual master (lama) traditionally

whispers guiding instructions through the bardo into the person's ear. Traditionally, these instructions are read from

The Bardo Thödol, designed to help guide the deceased's consciousness through the intermediate realm between

lives (bardo). Thus the meaning of the Bardo Thödol: The Great Liberation Through Hearing in the Intermediate State.



The bardo state is recognized as an opportunity for change; a starting point of transformation. It is understood as a gap

between familiar boundaries through which beings can glimpse the Absolute True Nature of Reality. By fully recognizing

this ultimate nature, the deceased is capable of breaking the afflictive cycle of rebirth (samsara) and achieving final

liberation: Enlightenment for the sake of all sentient Beings.



Buddhism recognizes the fact that human beings tend to avoid thinking about or dealing with the fact of death.

The refusal to acknowledge the imminence of death and impermanence is regarded in Buddhism as a fundamental cause

of the confusion and ignorance that prevents spiritual progress (Four Noble Truths of Buddhism). Spiritual growth is

achieved not by avoiding ‘unpleasant’ facts, but by facing and accepting them with calmness, wisdom and compassion.



Specific meditations enable Buddhist practitioners to seriously consider the truth of impermanence and to comprehend

the true nature of human existence. The goal of skillful meditation study and practice is experience and actualization

of the Absolute True Nature of Reality (Enlightenment).



Tibetan Buddhism and the Bardo Thödol teach that the first moment of death is marked by a gradual process of

disintegration, in which both the mental and physical components of the dying individual begin to collapse.

Corresponding to the gradual deterioration of consciousness during death, the dying patient experiences a variety of

distinctive visions, each marking a stage in the dying process.



Serious meditators study these stages in order to gain intimate knowledge of them, since a person familiar with the

death experience is less likely to be frightened when death finally arrives. But more importantly, a detailed knowledge

of the dying process enables advanced practitioners to simulate the experience during meditation. Through cultivation

and experience of these subtle visionary states of consciousness the meditator can achieve complete

Liberation (Enlightenment) during life or at the moment of death.



But in the case of ordinary individuals without empowerment, training and advanced meditative experience, the

deceased is dependent upon the assistance of the lama (or other religious practitioner), to recite the guiding instructions

from the Bardo Thödol in order to bring Reality into clear focus for the deceased in the bardo.



The words of the lama communicate the essential truth of the postdeath experience, giving the deceased a point of

reference to make sense of the often confusing and terrifying visions with which non-trained and ordinary individuals

are confronted during the bardo period. Also, recitation of the texts within a ceremonial setting offers practical wisdom

to the participants.



Before the ordinary dying process is complete, relatives and friends are advised to quietly bid the dying person farewell,

without creating excessive drama. Tibetan Buddhists believe that it is crucial for both the dying person and those around

him/her to avoid causing excessive regret, grief or longing in the patient; and to have a mindful, calm and compassionate

state of mind. The state of mind at the time of death is believed to influence directly the experiences of the departing

consciousness.



Any thoughts that occur during this time are extremely important; it is vital for the individual to generate and sustain

a positive mental state throughout all the stages of dying. The quality of mind at the time of death is a critical component

in determining the dying person's experience in the bardo. If disruptive thoughts can be avoided while simultaneously

directing the mind toward pure and virtuous thoughts, even the ordinary person without advanced meditative training

may be capable of positively effecting the outcome of the dying process.

http://www.pcddallas.org/Shitro_(Bardo)_Practice.htm

[zsymon]

i can prove that wrong hand over fist. And you did judge me and what information I was tasked to explain, not only in the bolded statement but in the statement above.

i want to lay one simple principal down for you, darkness cannot be where light is, where ever you bring light you unburden the path for others and reduce stumbling, and were all working on various levels of that affecting the various levels of minds persuing it, you at your level and me at mine, and not out of boredom as you accused, for me its out of desperation to make sense of a gift i was given , because I know that If i can illuminate it well enough others will take it from there and expand on it.

Your posts have been disappointing and pointed in this thread, I attribute that to where youre at in your persuit and the level of sight you have so far. i wouldnt continue to make these implications If I were you, I think it could slow you to do so.

You are right, writing metaphysical posts do help us.. I forgot how much the
knowledge of my mentor and of other people have helped me in my life and
on my path.. I apologize for this, I forgot to think my opinion through.

I am going through a period of intense physical pain at the moment, maybe
that is why I was unable to properly think about my thoughts, before writing
them down on this thread.. it doesn't help anyway. The morphine I'm forced
to take, clouds my mind as well, it's not always easy trying to think complex
concepts through in this state.. I hope you can understand.

The reason I post on this forum isn't just to help others, it also to learn, to
learn how to be completely nonjudgemental and how to be tactful. Sure I
still make mistakes, but that is why I am practicing, so I can learn from my
mistakes and from people's reactions.

[verndewd]

You are right, writing metaphysical posts do help us.. I forgot how much the
knowledge of my mentor and of other people have helped me in my life and
on my path.. I apologize for this, I forgot to think my opinion through.

I am going through a period of intense physical pain at the moment, maybe
that is why I was unable to properly think about my thoughts, before writing
them down on this thread.. it doesn't help anyway. The morphine I'm forced
to take, clouds my mind as well, it's not always easy trying to think complex
concepts through in this state.. I hope you can understand.

The reason I post on this forum isn't just to help others, it also to learn, to
learn how to be completely nonjudgemental and how to be tactful. Sure I
still make mistakes, but that is why I am practicing, so I can learn from my
mistakes and from people's reactions.



I know youre heart is in the right place, so I forgave you as you posted it. This awakening to enlightenment isnt easy and none of us are perfect in it. The reason my trust in your self path didnt break down is that you have the courage to keep doing it and are sincere and persuing it for the greater good as i am .

I cant NOt suppport that.

[zsymon]

I'm glad. :)

[verndewd]

http://i185.photobucket.com/albums/x56/verndewd/convergence2.jpg

[zsymon]

Wrong place!

[verndewd]

redaction reply :D

[zsymon]

Verndewd again you misunderstand me!

I was not talking about you when I mentioned those who insult me, I was
talking about people like Bridgeeteyes and Lightkynge, who attack me with
every post they make in my threads, as well as some others.

I know you never insulted me, I was not talking about you at all. :)

The reason I wrote what I did was just to explain my beliefs on enlightenment
and ascension, continueing on with our previous talk about these concepts.

On second thought, now that I look at this thread I think I have posted on
the wrong thread, I think I intended to post it on an entirely different one, hm.

[truegroup]

http://i185.photobucket.com/albums/x56/verndewd/Theinterdimensionalbeing.jpg

Nice picture.

I don't actually want to 'ascend', I would prefer a lovely life in this world without all the shit. That is my definition of nirvana.

[zsymon]

Verndewd, I actually meant to make this post on my Spiritual Awakening
thread, which is where these people are attacking me, hence the last part
of my post. No wonder it seems out of place, I apologize!

Edit: Alright, I deleted my post here and moved it to my own thread, sorry again. :)

[verndewd]

Verndewd again you misunderstand me!

I was not talking about you when I mentioned those who insult me, I was
talking about people like Bridgeeteyes and Lightkynge, who attack me with
every post they make in my threads, as well as some others.

I know you never insulted me, I was not talking about you at all. :)

The reason I wrote what I did was just to explain my beliefs on enlightenment
and ascension, continueing on with our previous talk about these concepts.

On second thought, now that I look at this thread I think I have posted on
the wrong thread, I think I intended to post it on an entirely different one, hm.

lol its cool man I thought you were addressing me :D no worries.

[verndewd]

Nice picture.

I don't actually want to 'ascend', I would prefer a lovely life in this world without all the shit. That is my definition of nirvana.

honored you liked my collage :D if you want to remain earth bound I strongly suggest learning the indigenous ways, its a great path and appropriate to the earth. We need as many people like you as we can get ;)

[zsymon]

About the original post, are you saying that there are parallel dimensions or
realities on which other parts of ourselves, or copies of ourselves, are leading
a totally different or similar life?

Is your belief that these dimensions are physical or of other frequencies than
the physical Universe?

Why would we choose to split our soul into different parts, why would we
splinter our energy and our power? Because I assume that at the beginning
we are one single being, one single soul, not splintered into different places
or dimensions. I don't believe this myself but I wonder why you do..

I do believe that we exist on different dimensions, mostly in the physical as
well as in the dimensions that are between the physical and the Light world.
For example, sensitive people may see into a higher dimension, which is not
a different place or parallel reality, but wrapped around the Earth.. like if a
person would imagine his ears to become really long, this sensitive person'd
see the overlapping dimensions and in his vision the person's ears would then
actually elongate.

Depending on past lives, people might look differently to such a sensitive.
For example a person who was a dragon in his past life, and identifies strongly
with this incarnation, might look to a sensitive like a human with the form of
a dragon overlapping his form, kind of like a shadow of light energy over the
physical body of the person.

That is how I feel the dimensions work, the higher our vibrational energy gets,
the more sensitive we become to these other dimensions, and the easier it
gets to see them.

For example twice I was able to see half a dimension higher while I was totally
awake. As you may know the race of elementals on Earth, that care for nature
and who's purpose it is to look after the four elements, live half a dimension
higher than physical Earth. One day I got up in the morning, and I saw a small
Kobold sitting on my chest, trying to shout into my face, but I could not hear
his voice.

The next morning, I woke up again and was shocked to see a group of Faeries
jumping up, flying onto my chest. They were incredibly beautiful, and their voices
were like divine crystal. This time I could hear them and they asked for my help,
appparently some really negative energies and entities were threatening them
and their homes, in the gardens in our area. I was able to help them during the
week after that experience, it was a truly amazing experience!

[verndewd]

About the original post, are you saying that there are parallel dimensions or
realities on which other parts of ourselves, or copies of ourselves, are leading
a totally different or similar life?

Is your belief that these dimensions are physical or of other frequencies than
the physical Universe?

Why would we choose to split our soul into different parts, why would we
splinter our energy and our power? Because I assume that at the beginning
we are one single being, one single soul, not splintered into different places
or dimensions.

the soul or spirit is multi dimensional in order to achieve god mind one needs to see that all of the variables of any given choice or creation are manifesting all at once in the past present and future on every level from destructive to creative.

That is how our godselves know the future . there are many references in antiquity like the seven fold spirit of the bible and the Hopi's saying we will walk between worlds during the shift, and the indicators of dimensional realities through ancient dialogues continue.

Even enochs writings and certain writings of the egyptians seem to ascribe to multi dimensionality and one of the most blatant is hindu.

[zsymon]

Well, I agree that our existence is multidimensional, as I shared in the edited
part of my post above. I have experienced this myself several times, but I
never experienced future or past projections of myself. Somehow I have
always found that physical past doesn't exist anymore, and physical future
doesn't exist yet.. so it would be impossible to physically travel into the
past or into the future.

I agree that the non physical projections into the future are automatically
made, based on the present and the past, and that on some dimensions,
but not physically, the past still exists, and can be traveled to spiritually.
But I don't think it is possible to change the past, to alter the present and
the future. But this does explain why some psychics can see the future,
although most psychics have only seen what the astral world wanted them
to see, which is why there are so many fear based doom predictions around.
It takes an empty mind and a loud heart to see an actual possible future,
and not just a fear based projection from aliens or astral beings.

Personally, I don't believe that we have a destructive side though, as you
know I believe in duality and as Light beings we are flawless and perfect in
Light, perfect and flawless meaning that we have no destructive or negative
parts in our being. Only those on a path of service to self have negativity
and destruction, hatred and anger in them, innately.

Ofcourse because of all the blocks in our beings and on Earth, our current
physical manifestations are not perfect and flawless, as negativity and fear
cannot enter our hearts, but it can enter and corrupt and manipulate our
minds. That is why mind control works, and why both the governments and
the astral aliens work to manipulate and corrupt our thoughts here in the
physical.

But when we learn to have our heart speak louder than our minds, we learn
to ignore the corruption in our minds, and listen only to the purity in our
hearts.. this is when truth is discovered and connected with.

[verndewd]

http://d0server1.fnal.gov/users/gll/public/edpublic.htm

http://particle.physics.ucdavis.edu/Physics/extradim.html

http://www.thecrimson.com/article/2006/1/6/supersymmetry-and-parallel-dimensions-professor-of/

Who lives in the eleventh dimension? - Parallel Universes - BBC science - YouTube

Parallel Universes [1/5] - YouTube

[firstlook]

bump

[seers among us]

Maybe this dimension and world were created to defeat the darkness in a physical realm.

[verndewd]

Maybe this dimension and world were created to defeat the darkness in a physical realm.

or maybe this is the starting point to higher vibrational paralell worlds and lower ones.