Flight 93 Passengers

[gotcats7]

After watching "Loose Change" I am wondering why more of an effort to locate relatives of those passengers and verify those deaths has not been made.
Was there 200 or 43 passengers? If the flight did land in Cleveland at 10:15, was evacuated at 11:15 to Nasa Glen Research Center........then what happened? Did they go home? Were they murdered? Are they in witness protection?
If anyone can offer links to other theories on Flight 93, I'd like to see them.

[kha zarr]

I second this.

[masonic3]

:confused: After watching "Loose Change" I am wondering why more of an effort to locate relatives of those passengers and verify those deaths has not been made.
Was there 200 or 43 passengers? If the flight did land in Cleveland at 10:15, was evacuated at 11:15 to Nasa Glen Research Center........then what happened? Did they go home? Were they murdered? Are they in witness protection?
If anyone can offer links to other theories on Flight 93, I'd like to see them.

Ive seen "Loose Change" I got it from Limewire, I wonder the same?

[janeway]

exactly, that was my interest too and this was what I found a year ago.

http://www.wingtv.net/thornarticles/911passengerlist.html

an extract from the info on that site:

The Social Security Death Index (SSDI) (Social Security Death Index) is a privately-owned website that is not affiliated with Social Security. It boasts an accuracy rate of about 83% (e-mail them any questions you may have). Anyway, to check its reliability, I inputted the names of people I knew that had died in my family, along with friends and neighbors. Being a true skeptic, I had no way of knowing whether they were telling the truth or not. With the exception of a cousin, I found everyone I was looking for. (Be sure you have the person's true first name - they may not be listed by the state they last lived in, but can be found in the state where their social security number was issued.) By all means try it yourself.

Which brings us to the 9-11 Victims Compensation Fund (also known as the Shut Up and Take the Money Fund), which most of you have heard about.

9-11 Victims Compensation Fund

This is where our government opened up the Treasury and gave family members of those who lost their lives that day lots of money. In return, these families were basically told to shut up about anything else concerning 9-11. (Considering all the lies surrounding this horrific event, you can see why.)

At this point there is one thing we should never forget, and that is how powerful the notion of human greed is. Remember this concept as you read the number of victims whose family members sought compensation.

The names of the victims can be found on the CNN website.

Here are the results:

Flight 11: of the 92 people who are listed as dying on this flight, only 20 are listed in the SSDI (22%)

Of these 20 people, only three are on the 9-11 Compensation Fund list:

Judy Larocque
Laurie Neira
Candace Lee Williams

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Flight 77: of the 64 people who are listed as dying on this flight, only 14 are listed in the SSDI (22%)

Of these 64 people, only five on the 9-11 Compensation Fund list:

William Caswell
Eddie Dillard
Ian Gray
John Sammartino
Leonard Taylor

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Flight 175: of the 65 people who are listed as dying on this flight, only 18 are listed in the SSDI (28%)

Of these 65 people, only three are on the 9-11 Compensation Fund list:

Michael C. Tarrou
Gloria Debarrera
Timothy Ward

=======================================

Flight 93: of the 45 people who are listed as dying on this flight, only 6 are listed in the SSDI (13%)

Of these 45 people, none are on the 9-11 Compensation Fund list:

No one

=======================================

Have you noticed anything strange yet? Of the passengers and crew of Flight 11, 77, 175 & 93, only 22%, 22%, 28%, 13% respectively are in the SSDI.

Remember human greed? Of the 266 people that we were told died on these jets, only 11 relatives applied for compensation. Can you believe that not a single relative from Flight 93 applied for compensation? I can't. Were all the relatives of the victims so rich that they weren't eligible to receive compensation? No, that's not it. (The minimum federal award was $250,000, and the average pay-out was about $1.8 million. The recipients only had to make agreement: they couldn’t sue the airlines.)

[xstevey_bx]

I know this is an old thread but I found it while searching for information on the same topic. Does anyone have any comparisons with other plane crashes that were not on 9/11... possibly around 2001 to preserve accuracy?

[pureheart]

When I was reading about Todd Beamer, I thought it was interesting that a few other employees of Oracle Inc were also named as lost on 911. There was a mention of Larry Ellison having 'special contacts in government' at the time and seeming to have a lot of information about Flight 93.
http://www.dba-oracle.com/t_hero_todd_beamer.htm


I looked him up...

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Larry_Ellison

and he had links to the CIA.

It also seems strange that the Beamers' mortgage was paid off two weeks before 911 despite the fact that they had only had their home for around a year.

There is also some doubt about the finances of the Foundation that she set up in her husband's memory...

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Lisa_Beamer

http://www.entrepreneur.com/tradejournals/article/159181429.html

[matrix911]

When I was reading about Todd Beamer, I thought it was interesting that a few other employees of Oracle Inc were also named as lost on 911. There was a mention of Larry Ellison having 'special contacts in government' at the time and seeming to have a lot of information about Flight 93.
http://www.dba-oracle.com/t_hero_todd_beamer.htm


I looked him up...

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Larry_Ellison

and he had links to the CIA.

It also seems strange that the Beamers' mortgage was paid off two weeks before 911 despite the fact that they had only had their home for around a year.

There is also some doubt about the finances of the Foundation that she set up in her husband's memory...

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Lisa_Beamer

http://www.entrepreneur.com/tradejournals/article/159181429.html


The only thing I need to know about Ellison that confirms he's probably involved with the PERPS is that he's JEWISH and one of his projects was a database for the CIA, which he named "Oracle".

Was Todd Beamer a real person?

Only a few possibilities... He was either murdered after reading his script, an actor given witness protection, or a fictional character created by the sick Government Perps... Either way, imo theres enough evidence to suggest 93 was nothing more than a phantom flight.

But then there's already mountains of other evidence supporting the theory that the entire flight 93 story is nothing but a LIE like the rest of the 9/11 fairy tale.

No REAL planes were involved in 9/11. Certainly not any real flights 11, 175, 77 and 93. Not at the WTC, not at the pentagon and certainly not in shanksville.

If anything, they were drones/missles.

EOS

[allen982]

Is there anywhere you can get the number of passengers on board flights on days running up to 911 to compare with the sparse plane of flight 93 and others?

[pureheart]

No REAL planes were involved in 9/11. Certainly not any real flights 11, 175, 77 and 93. Not at the WTC, not at the pentagon and certainly not in shanksville.

If anything, they were drones/missles.

EOS

I can certainly see where you are coming from as there seems to be little evidence of the real planes hitting the targets. However, I can't help but wonder what happened to the original flights/passengers. Or are the passengers all fictional as well? It's very confusing.

[coco]

I wonder the same as OP. I also wonder why more family members and survivors of the twin towers and the pentagon have not come forward in interviews or even written books.

Perhaps they have done more than I realize.

[rodin]

When I was reading about Todd Beamer, I thought it was interesting that a few other employees of Oracle Inc were also named as lost on 911. There was a mention of Larry Ellison having 'special contacts in government' at the time and seeming to have a lot of information about Flight 93.
http://www.dba-oracle.com/t_hero_todd_beamer.htm


I looked him up...

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Larry_Ellison

and he had links to the CIA.

It also seems strange that the Beamers' mortgage was paid off two weeks before 911 despite the fact that they had only had their home for around a year.

There is also some doubt about the finances of the Foundation that she set up in her husband's memory...

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Lisa_Beamer

http://www.entrepreneur.com/tradejournals/article/159181429.html

Yep Hoaxes R Us at work here. Even managed to push the gay hero meme what a crock

[coco]

http://helpdesk.rootsweb.com/ssdi/index.html#reasons

The SSDI does not include death records for everyone who has been issued a Social Security Number (card). Common reasons for exclusion include the following:

* The death was not reported to the Social Security Administration (SSA).
* The death occurred before the Death Master File was maintained in a computer database. About 98 percent of the deaths in this database occurred between 1962 and the present.
* The person did not participate in the Social Security program.
* Survivor death benefits were (are) being paid to dependents or spouse.
* A recent death may not be indexed yet.
* Human error. (Before you give up, read the section titled "Missing Entries in the SSDI.")

If you do not find a listing in the SSDI, it does not mean the person is still living, or that the Social Security Administration (SSA) has no records on the deceased. See "Contacting the SSA for Information" for instructions on requesting information on individuals not in the SSDI.

The whole thing is very confusing. Dead Arabs that were supposed to be on the planes show up overseas after 9-11 allegedly. There were a number of passengers who were supposed to be on the planes but there is speculation they really were not yet there are widows and orphans.

I confess it IS very confusing. We will probably never know the truth but that doesn't mean to stop investigating.

[phildee3]

I can't help but wonder what happened to the original flights/passengers.



They were sent to colonise another dimension.

[dude111]

This is where our government opened up the Treasury and gave family members of those who lost their lives that day lots of money. In return, these families were basically told to shut up about anything else concerning 9-11. (Considering all the lies surrounding this horrific event, you can see why.)It truly is sad so many people JUST CALMLY GAVE IN instead of lashing out and trying to expose what really happend!

[xstevey_bx]

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=GVwCKgtiGCg&feature=player_profilepage

7:15 onwards talks about the hight instance of military personnel on board flight 77! It also talks about how the planes were flying at around 30% capacity

[camreeno]

After watching "Loose Change" I am wondering why more of an effort to locate relatives of those passengers and verify those deaths has not been made.
Was there 200 or 43 passengers? If the flight did land in Cleveland at 10:15, was evacuated at 11:15 to Nasa Glen Research Center........then what happened? Did they go home? Were they murdered? Are they in witness protection?
If anyone can offer links to other theories on Flight 93, I'd like to see them.

I'm guessing they were executed and disposed of. After all they haven't shown up since 9/11, so it seems unlikely that they would still be kept alive and kept in prison cells or something. After all we're dealing with the same people who MURDERED 3000 from 9/11, so they can just as easily lack the empathy to kill them too.

It makes you wonder what happened to the other three airplanes. I mean we know that the two that hit the twin towers were military jets, and that the Pentagon wasn't hit by a 757 at all, so yeah I wonder where they went. Secret airports?

[camreeno]

I wonder if they went to Bohemian Grove to be sacrificed lol.

[merlincove]

I'm guessing they were executed and disposed of. After all they haven't shown up since 9/11, so it seems unlikely that they would still be kept alive and kept in prison cells or something. After all we're dealing with the same people who MURDERED 3000 from 9/11, so they can just as easily lack the empathy to kill them too.

It makes you wonder what happened to the other three airplanes. I mean we know that the two that hit the twin towers were military jets, and that the Pentagon wasn't hit by a 757 at all, so yeah I wonder where they went. Secret airports?

i think it was Loose Change that put forth the concept that the plane which landed in Cleveland at 10:15 had 200 passengers aboard, whereas flight 93 had 43, it said (if i recall right) that the total numbe of passengers on board all the planes supposedly involved in the 911 attacks were 200. So by that estimate / statement we can conclude that whatever planes were used, they were not the 3 planes involved in the WTC attacks and 'downed' flight 93.

200 people in a NASA holding facility in Cleveland. My guess is they were executed once they had done what they were told to do, 'talk into the mic, say what we tell you to say, tell your familly that everything will be alright,' then they were either ushered away to execution or else kept in testing labs for whatever heinious accounts the sickos wanted.

i don't for one moment believe that all those passengers were aboard the planes that hit the STC (if indeed planes were used!). Lets face it, if you are on a plane that is of course and flying low, toward two highly distinct landmarks, one of which was already a smoking pyre (in the case of the second wTC plane) what would you do if you were able?

Unless thos passengers were all drugged (highly doubtful) then they would have at least attempted to regain control of the plane. C'mon, upto 100 people were terrified of a few terrorists? Enough to incapacitate? In a death situation, where the inevitable conclussion is that the plane is going to be used in a suicide attack - where the only option is death, any human being would fight for life, even if he thought he would die fighting, he would fight to overthrow the powers in charge of that plane. End of.

Those people, imo, were ushered away in secret and disposed of.


And think, what is the scariest concept: To die at the hands of terrorists, or To die at the hands of the people you trust, the people with FBI jackets on?

[camreeno]

[QUOTE=merlincove;1058290652]i think it was Loose Change that put forth the concept that the plane which landed in Cleveland at 10:15 had 200 passengers aboard, whereas flight 93 had 43, it said (if i recall right) that the total numbe of passengers on board all the planes supposedly involved in the 911 attacks were 200. So by .........QUOTE]

I agree that they could have been used for testing. I mean why waste time gathering people by stealth when all you have to to is take the passengers off the plane you rigged? Although I'm not sure about if they were told to speak in a mic to record the fake cel phone calls. After all in Loose Change and many other sources they talk about how the government acquired some voice warping technology, and some of the "passengers" talked to their own parents with their full names.

[rodin]

I doubt Jews on the planes were killed since I doubt any of the planes were involved in crashes. Maybe diverted and replaced for WTC. Not used @ Shanksville, Pentagon. Untrustworthy witnesses of course eliminated.

There is a published list of Jews who died in WTC. Is there any chance this is a hoax?

[merlincove]

I agree that they could have been used for testing. I mean why waste time gathering people by stealth when all you have to to is take the passengers off the plane you rigged? Although I'm not sure about if they were told to speak in a mic to record the fake cel phone calls. After all in Loose Change and many other sources they talk about how the government acquired some voice warping technology, and some of the "passengers" talked to their own parents with their full names.

yeah, i forgot about that techy bit - good point :D

[phildee3]

Those people, imo, were ushered away in secret and disposed of.



And what about the planes?

I'm telling ya,
they were sent into another dimension - in the airplanes.

9/11 was fifty-eight years since the Philadelpia experiment -
plenty of time to have the technology perfected.