What attracts Masons to the DI forum?

[marpat]

If you looked at what I said I didn't say you can mix good, and evil. I don't know you personally but I know that freemasonry is not about God of the Bible. I don't know why you are in there it could be because you think its good. The egyptian symbolism associated with it that has been talked alot about on this forum for starters is about worshipping many Gods. Who I believe are actually demons. Former angels who went with Satan.

Yet even the Egyptian did have monotheism at one point in their history. Even in the old testament God has a male and female side, but Im sure you already knew that :rolleyes: People may talk about symbolism in here but a lot of those people can't tell their arse from their elbow, so it's hardly a compelling arguement.

Freemasonry accepts all religions as long as they acknowledge a belief in a supreeme being. Many of them are christians and you have to acknowledge a belief in the christian tritinty to get into many of the side orders. All the works of freemasonry are directed to this supreme being, the true light behind ALL religions. Im sure you will tell me that they are not real christians but if that's what you think go and tell them, not me. I was never baptised or raised as one so to bore me with such excuses is pointless.

Your arguements are nothing but petty, vague and shallow attacks based on ignorace and strengthened by reading the works of conspiracy writers who lie and deceive.

[purplepebble]

Well this is another lie by you!! it seems you are making a bad habit of being a total liar.

I am sure I never took an oath to lie for people. Its a waste of tiume telling you that because you live in a world of fantasy. You are going to avoid talking to people like me because we put you straight, question your lies, and show you for what you are. Far easier for you to just talk to those who believe anything you say and ask no questions.

You speak of real peoples experiences. Have you any, or do you just blindly go along with what others have said. How do you know that people who make all sorts of claims were actually members, or that they were telling the truth and not just making destructive statements up to attack a group they may have been thrown out of?



Well, you mock my real experiences, and I think that the evidence that unfolded from that speaks for itself. What more do you need? You are obviously aware of the left hand path, black arts and the effects of such works etc... what do you find so hard to beleive?

[marpat]

Well, you mock my real experiences, and I think that the evidence that unfolded from that speaks for itself. What more do you need? You are obviously aware of the left hand path, black arts and the effects of such works etc... what do you find so hard to beleive?

Evidence of what?

I am sure that most people who have walked the inner path are aware of the left hand path, although its definition differs with different groups. Being aware of it does not mean practicing it, if this is what you are trying to say. I mention left hadn path as general to life, not with regard to any particluar group

Maybe I did mock you a little but you were a bit rude too. Not only that but some of the claims you made about your friend just sounded really odd. While you may have accurately stated what he told you it could be that he is just full of crap.

[1776]

Freemasons do not kill people who break their obligations. The punishment that these men face is: becoming a person not fit to be received into any society that values honour above wealth and advantage. It is written in Proverbs A good name is to be more desired than great riches, Favor is better than silver and gold (22:1).

regards
Gerard

They don't?

Are you a Freemason?


They have killed in the past, and they'll kill again today if one breaks the Oath and he's found out.


Where do you get this bullshit, anyways? It's in the freakin Oath!! You swear to punishment of DEATH if you break em!


Mason apologetics are the worse.... :rolleyes:


Peace&Love
God bless

[stopthemadness]

Feminism (started by two communist, Jewish women, Gloria Steinem & Betty Friedan) and women's suffrage (the right to vote started in ernest by the Jewish daughter of a Rabbi, Ernestine Rose) were absolutely crucial in destroying western civilisation.

Women tend to be more reactionary/emotional compared to men. This was exploited in the 20th century to immasculate western men and make political elections easier to manipulate. The power/voter base shifted from patriarchal households to feminist-run households. The western male was politically castrated. This came in conjunction with WWII and economically forcing both spouses into the workforce (because of manipulations of the Zionist Federal Reserve). The end result is the perceived mess that humans are in right now. Rest assured it is unfolding exactly to the letter as described in the Protocols.

Since Freemasonry is a smokescreen cover for Talmudic Judaism, it is not surprising they forbid women membership. After all, they want to subvert others, not themselves.

I should add that it also fuses Luciferianism, astrology, and Kabbalism, and Alice Bailey/Blavatsky stuff into the mix.

[1776]

Most christians aren't even christians

While I agree with you, you are still deflecting and diverting away from the thread URL I brought up. You cannot post a reply there, because it would a be a lie or you'd be admitting your worship of Lucifer in the Lodges. One or the other.

Here's the thread one more time, marpat: http://www.davidicke.com/forum/showthread.php?t=124918

Maybe you can join humason's side and help him out a bit ;)

As I've already said, most Freemasons are indeed Christians. This has always been the case.

No, you are lying again.

Most "Christian's" aren't even Christian's. No Freemasons are Christian's. Period.


Peace&Love
God bless

[marpat]

While I agree with you, you are still deflecting and diverting away from the thread URL I brought up. You cannot post a reply there, because it would a be a lie or you'd be admitting your worship of Lucifer in the Lodges. One or the other.

Maybe you can join humason's side and help him out a bit ;)



No, you are lying again.

Most "Christian's" aren't even Christian's. No Freemasons are Christian's. Period.


Peace&Love
God bless

You mean they are not YOUR sort of christians. Funny how they still go to church and do all the other stuff christians do, such as symbolic cannibalism, etc.

Lucifer worship in lodges? I doubt it. Cant say I ever heard that name mentioned. Perhaps you can state clearly in what lodges lucifer is worshipped and how you know this.

[marpat]

I should add that it also fuses Luciferianism, astrology, and Kabbalism, and Alice Bailey/Blavatsky stuff into the mix.

lol, so anything that diuscusses the mysteries then. So what is your background?

[1776]

You mean they are not YOUR sort of christians. Funny how they still go to church and do all the other stuff christians do, such as symbolic cannibalism, etc.

That's not Christianity. Not according to me, oh boy no. They don't follow the teachings of Jesus Christ, otherwise known as the Gospel of the New Testament (the Bible.) They're part of the Mystery Schools, the outer-front or rung known as the "veiled" degree. They're just there for looks, so Christianity can be controlled and manipulated just as easily as can... let's say... Freemasonry or the Bureau of Investigations. You know this as well as I, but you'll still use it to defend your side to the death I can imagine.

Lucifer worship in lodges? I doubt it. Cant say I ever heard that name mentioned. Perhaps you can state clearly in what lodges lucifer is worshipped and how you know this.

Have you read Mackey, Hall, or Pike?

And yes, at the top degree(s), the worship is given to Lucifer (aka Hiram Abiff), the Light-bearer, the Architect or Builder god (note: this god cannot create like the true God of the Bible.) Lucifer is worshiped in all the Grand Lodges behind the scenes. I know this because it's been admitted in their own works and materials, and others have come out and admitted it who have been taken through the degrees of initiation and all of its rituals and Oaths.

To reveal their names would be dangerous to their well-being. The Oaths you take are very serious, are they not? Or it this just some big joke to you? Which is it, marpat?


Peace&Love
God bless

[purplepebble]

Evidence of what?

I am sure that most people who have walked the inner path are aware of the left hand path, although its definition differs with different groups. Being aware of it does not mean practicing it, if this is what you are trying to say. I mention left hadn path as general to life, not with regard to any particluar group

Maybe I did mock you a little but you were a bit rude too. Not only that but some of the claims you made about your friend just sounded really odd. While you may have accurately stated what he told you it could be that he is just full of crap.



What claims did I make that were odd? That there is a sect of masons that are initiated into the higher levels of the black arts by a sect of left hand path that are well versed in them? How is that so hard to beleive? Do you know every mason on the planet then?

Really I was not rude to you at all, you have attacked me out of left field, insinuated that this person "pumped and dumped" me amongst several other things. You apparantley try to aim for below the belt in your attacks, which leads me to beleive that you are quite possibly possessed. You claim to be on a spiritual path but your responses and tactics are like that of someone on the LHP?

[scorpio]

Evil always hides behind good works. Wolves in sheeps clothing. Throw christians into it just to make it look bad, and hide your actions. A true christian would have nothing to do with this. Enjoy the company of other men?:confused: As in screwing each other you mean.

These are vile allegations. Also, Christians do not bear false withess against people.:)
Gerard

[scorpio]

They don't?

Are you a Freemason?


They have killed in the past, and they'll kill again today if one breaks the Oath and he's found out.


Where do you get this bullshit, anyways? It's in the freakin Oath!! You swear to punishment of DEATH if you break em!


Mason apologetics are the worse.... :rolleyes:


Peace&Love
God bless

I am a Scottish Freemason who has been in the chair of many masonic orders.
We do not swear obligations on pain of death period.
Gerard

[stopthemadness]

lol, so anything that diuscusses the mysteries then. So what is your background?

I am a soul created by the All of Creation, as is every other entity.

[1776]

I am a Scottish Freemason who has been in the chair of many masonic orders.
We do not swear obligations on pain of death period.
Gerard

What degree are you of the Scottish Rite?

What Lodge?



Thanks

Peace&Love
God bless

[scorpio]

What degree are you of the Scottish Rite?

What Lodge?



Thanks

Peace&Love
God bless

The Scottish rite is only one part of Freemasonry I am a member of what is known as the 'York rite'. I am not a member of the SR
My Masonic CV is

Lodge Dundedin Caritas PM 1316
Lodge Solomon MM 1209
Journeyman Masons Royal Arch Chapter 417 PZ
JM Lodge and Council PWCN& MEC 417
JM Cryptic Council PTHIM 417
St John Canongate Kilwinning Preceptory No.20 PP
St Giles Conclave Red Cross of Constantine Knight
KTP Knight in Edinburgh
all the above are Scottish Constitution

OSM Heart of Glendale Conclave in Morpeth PSR
English Constitution

[1776]

The Scottish rite is only one part of Freemasonry I am a member of what is known as the 'York rite'. I am not a member of the SR
My Masonic CV is

Lodge Dundedin Caritas PM 1316
Lodge Solomon MM 1209
Journeyman Masons Royal Arch Chapter 417 PZ
JM Lodge and Council PWCN& MEC 417
JM Cryptic Council PTHIM 417
St John Canongate Kilwinning Preceptory No.20 PP
St Giles Conclave Red Cross of Constantine Knight
KTP Knight in Edinburgh
all the above are Scottish Constitution

OSM Heart of Glendale Conclave in Morpeth PSR
English Constitution

I apologize, I misread your earlier post. I thought you said you were of the Scottish Rite, you said you were merely Scottish. I am not unfamiliar with the Lodge or it's Rites.


So what degree of the York Rite have you attained? You haven't gone through any of the Scottish Rites or any others, have you?


Thanks


Peace&Love
God bless

[scorpio]

I apologize, I misread your earlier post. I thought you said you were of the Scottish Rite, you said you were merely Scottish. I am not unfamiliar with the Lodge or it's Rites.


So what degree of the York Rite have you attained? You haven't gone through any of the Scottish Rites or any others, have you?


Thanks


Peace&Love
God bless

The YR does not have the same number system as the SR but you join Freemasonry in the Lodge and to progress further you join the Royal Arch. You can then decide to join the two councils the cryptic and lodge and council that are a part of the RA.

The Preceptory aka Knight Templar and the RCC are Christian in nature.
In order to join the Knight Templar Priest You must be an installed Master in the lodge and a Companion in the RA and a Knight in the KT.

The OSM is an order that is open to all Freemasons.

I have not been invited to join the SR .

Gerard

[1776]

The YR does not have the same number system as the SR but you join Freemasonry in the Lodge and to progress further you join the Royal Arch. You can then decide to join the two councils the cryptic and lodge and council that are a part of the RA.

The Preceptory aka Knight Templar and the RCC are Christian in nature.
In order to join the Knight Templar Priest You must be an installed Master in the lodge and a Companion in the RA and a Knight in the KT.

The OSM is an order that is open to all Freemasons.

I have not been invited to join the SR .

Gerard

Ha ha ha

Okay... I rest my case.


I know all about both the York and the Scottish Rite (and many others,) probably more so than you do.


You have no idea what's at the top, do you? Do you even read the Masonic literature in your Temples? Is there any of it? I don't understand how you 'unwitting' Masons stumble through a few degrees of your Lodge without knowing the Truth about the God you swear Oaths to and the "Great Work" you aspire towards as a Brother in the Craft.

Unreal.


Peace&Love
God bless

[scorpio]

Ha ha ha

Okay... I rest my case.


I know all about both the York and the Scottish Rite (and many others,) probably more so than you do.


You have no idea what's at the top, do you? Do you even read the Masonic literature in your Temples? Is there any of it? I don't understand how you 'unwitting' Masons stumble through a few degrees of your Lodge without knowing the Truth about the God you swear Oaths to and the "Great Work" you aspire towards as a Brother in the Craft.

Unreal.


Peace&Love
God bless

I have only been a Freemason for almost 21 years. I have a knowledge of the society that I belong to and continue to add to this knowledge of the fraternity that I am proud to belong to. I have an extensive masonic collection of books which I use as reference material.

As you are a non mason how can you know what Freemasonry is about? All you know is the gossip that you read about Freemasonry on websites that are run by people who are not Freemasons.

Freemasonry is about service to your members and the non masonic World. It is not about seeking senior position in Freemasonry. If in time I am elected to senior office I will do my best to serve my members to the best of my ability.

Gerard the friendly and humble Freemason

[1776]

I have only been a Freemason for almost 21 years. I have a knowledge of the society that I belong to and continue to add to this knowledge of the fraternity that I am proud to belong to. I have an extensive masonic collection of books which I use as reference material.

As you are a non mason how can you know what Freemasonry is about? All you know is the gossip that you read about Freemasonry on websites that are run by people who are not Freemasons.

Freemasonry is about service to your members and the non masonic World. It is not about seeking senior position in Freemasonry. If in time I am elected to senior office I will do my best to serve my members to the best of my ability.

Gerard the friendly and humble Freemason

Do you know where the York Rite of Freemasonry comes from?

Are you sure you know what you're worshipping in your Lodge? How many degrees of the York Rite have you been ritually taken through?

I think you're just another bullshit artist. You don't even know what's going on in the Scottish Rite of Freemasonry, eh?

Peace&Love
God bless

[luciferhorus]

I am a Scottish Freemason who has been in the chair of many masonic orders.
We do not swear obligations on pain of death period.
Gerard

http://www.luciferia.tv/Law66666/masonic%20execution.jpg

Ritual Murder and Masonic Oaths.

"For example, in the very first degree oath of Freemasonry, the candidate declares:

...binding myself under no less penalty than that of having my throat cut across, my tongue torn out by its roots, and my body buried in the rough sands of the sea, at low-water mark, where the tide ebbs and flows twice in twenty-four hours, should I ever knowingly violate this my Entered Apprentice obligation.

Second degree Masons recite the following heinous oath:

...binding myself under no less penalty than that of having my breast torn open, my heart plucked out, and placed on the highest pinnacle of the temple there to be devoured by the vultures of the air, should I ever knowingly violate the Fellow Craft obligation.

The third degree oath proclaims:

...binding myself under no less penalty than that of having my body severed in two, my bowels taken from thence and burned to ashes, the ashes scattered before the four winds of heaven, that no more remembrance might be had of so vile and wicked a wretch as I would be, should I ever, knowingly, violate this my Master Mason's obligation.

That's not all.



In the 4th degree, Mark Master of the York Rite, the candidate performs a ritual which symbolizes having his "ear smitten off" if he reveals the order's secrets.



And for the 5th degree, Past Master, the hapless candidate agrees as follows:

...binding myself under no less penalty than (in addition to all my former penalties) to have my tongue split from tip to root, that I might thereafter be unable to pronounce the word.

The sixth degree (Most Excellent Master) of the York Rite continues with the horrific penalties:

...binding myself under no less penalty than to have my breast torn open, and my heart and vitals taken from thence, and exposed to rot on the dunghill. "http://www.bibliotecapleyades.net/sociopolitica/codex_magica/codex_magica14.htm

http://magus71.files.wordpress.com/2008/03/marine-throat-cut.jpg?w=655

It seems to me that cutting a person's throat, dismboweling them and burying them "would" result in the death of the victim.

Just by "contradicting" this and stating that you do not have oaths which involve ritual murder is insufficient. Perhaps you could provide some kind of medical evidence regarding how a person can physicall survive throat cutting, disembowelment, the tearing out of the heart and burial or the burning of the body to ash.

It has also been argued that the Masonic oaths have nothing to do with "ritual murder" but are rather suicide oaths. However I think it would be impossible for a person to kill themselves in such a way and then bury themselves.

Perhaps one of the Masons here could offer to demonstrate surviving after their they have cut their own throats, disembowelled themselves, torn out their own heart, severed their body in two and buried themselves under the sands of the ocean or burned their remains and scattered the ashes to the four winds.

Lux

[torus]

I've read those "Masonic oaths" before pertaining to slicing and dicing. Can anyone authenticate their validity and if so which branch still repeats them? Or, is it merely pretentious shock-talk?

It's really worthy of some Pythonesque treatment...

"and yea, may my penis be inserted with a thin glass tube and smashed to a 1000 points of pain. may I be skinned alive with my testicles in a vice and then doused with kerosene and set ablaze."

[luciferhorus]

It's really worthy of some Pythonesque treatment...



Monty Python and the Freemasons - The Architect Sketch - YouTube

http://www.freemasonry.bcy.ca/fiction/monty_python/imamasona.jpg

The Freemasons - YouTube

http://www.freemasonry.bcy.ca/fiction/monty_python/handshake.jpg
http://www.freemasonry.bcy.ca/fiction/monty_python/handshake02.jpg
Above: Monty Python: The Masonic Handshake.

[torus]

I love those guys, thanks!

[christ4life]

These are vile allegations. Also, Christians do not bear false withess against people.:)
Gerard

Nothing I said was false, and I was just questioning what the company of men really means. Why all men? The things talked about here hardly sound christian to me. We can tell what people are like by the things they do. You can't judge the persons heart that is up to God.

[christ4life]

Yet even the Egyptian did have monotheism at one point in their history. Even in the old testament God has a male and female side, but Im sure you already knew that :rolleyes: People may talk about symbolism in here but a lot of those people can't tell their arse from their elbow, so it's hardly a compelling arguement.

Freemasonry accepts all religions as long as they acknowledge a belief in a supreeme being. Many of them are christians and you have to acknowledge a belief in the christian tritinty to get into many of the side orders. All the works of freemasonry are directed to this supreme being, the true light behind ALL religions. Im sure you will tell me that they are not real christians but if that's what you think go and tell them, not me. I was never baptised or raised as one so to bore me with such excuses is pointless.

Your arguements are nothing but petty, vague and shallow attacks based on ignorace and strengthened by reading the works of conspiracy writers who lie and deceive.

Egyptians didn't want to worship one God. Ahkenaton was the only ruler who tried to get the egyptians to worship just one God. The same God Horus whos name was changed to Aton, and Ahkenaton himself claimed to be the son of God Aton. Just a way to try to mix christianity in all this. The trinity is false doctrine. Jesus is the son of God not God himself. Jesus is not all three. I wasn't really raised as a christian either or baptised. That doesn't mean I can't be a christian. Its about forgiveness for sin not good works alone. I don't need the approval of others to feel I have to speak to God. God doesn't look at anyone as being better than the other. What I should say is those who claim to be christians but practice false doctrine are not true christians. Its true some may not know what they are doing but instead of praying for answers, and looking to God for the truth they believe what they want to hear. That is why they are lead astray to believe false doctrine.

[marpat]

What claims did I make that were odd? That there is a sect of masons that are initiated into the higher levels of the black arts by a sect of left hand path that are well versed in them? How is that so hard to beleive? Do you know every mason on the planet then?

Really I was not rude to you at all, you have attacked me out of left field, insinuated that this person "pumped and dumped" me amongst several other things. You apparantley try to aim for below the belt in your attacks, which leads me to beleive that you are quite possibly possessed. You claim to be on a spiritual path but your responses and tactics are like that of someone on the LHP?

And what is the left hand path? it is easy to make claims about possession yet such stabs are nothing but weak efforts to try and discriminate against a person who cannot be easily beaten by a real debate. Usually peoppel resort to such attacks, or the even better mind control excuse.

I may not know every mason in the world but this does not mean there is any truth in what you clamied about your 'friend'. My answer would be that if they wanted to get invovled with such things then there is absolutely no need to be invovled with freemasonry. It would be against the principles of it for a start.

If you make a claim about freemasons doing such things then I would like to see some compelling evidence for it, not twisted words and speculations. You claim a friend showed you all sorts of stuff, so lets have it!!

[marpat]

Egyptians didn't want to worship one God. Ahkenaton was the only ruler who tried to get the egyptians to worship just one God. The same God Horus whos name was changed to Aton, and Ahkenaton himself claimed to be the son of God Aton. Just a way to try to mix christianity in all this. The trinity is false doctrine. Jesus is the son of God not God himself. Jesus is not all three. I wasn't really raised as a christian either or baptised. That doesn't mean I can't be a christian. Its about forgiveness for sin not good works alone. I don't need the approval of others to feel I have to speak to God. God doesn't look at anyone as being better than the other. What I should say is those who claim to be christians but practice false doctrine are not true christians. Its true some may not know what they are doing but instead of praying for answers, and looking to God for the truth they believe what they want to hear. That is why they are lead astray to believe false doctrine.

And yet the bible itself has been changed many times over history, many gospels have been ignored, etc. so who is to say what the true teachings are? gospels were often written in honour of a person, not buy them, so the gospels you have may not have even been written by those whose names they bear. Jesus never left an actual written record of his teachings and we only have gospels that were apparently written many years after his death as evidence. Who knows what might have been forgotten or misrepresented in such a set of circumctances.

[marpat]

I am a soul created by the All of Creation, as is every other entity.

Yet ready to condemn the works of other souls!!!

[marpat]

That's not Christianity. Not according to me, oh boy no. They don't follow the teachings of Jesus Christ, otherwise known as the Gospel of the New Testament (the Bible.) They're part of the Mystery Schools, the outer-front or rung known as the "veiled" degree. They're just there for looks, so Christianity can be controlled and manipulated just as easily as can... let's say... Freemasonry or the Bureau of Investigations. You know this as well as I, but you'll still use it to defend your side to the death I can imagine.





You refer to that book that has been altered over 40 times throughout history. Obviously it is a totally accurate teaching then :rolleyes:. There are other gospels that contain many other teachings that contradict the new testament. Can you prove what is right or wrong?

Is it your business to go round condemning and judging or is God the true judge of all things? if you were a true christian you would not be in here casting false accusations at people, making generalised accusations then telling people what they worship, even though you don't know these people personally. You are the very worst sort of christian.

As for those who call upon the name of christ. In the bible there are people who cast out demons in the name of jesus and the disciples ask jesus to tell them to stop. His response it to say that if they are using his name then they are not against him. So even jesus shows that people are doing good by calling upon his name, even if they are not his disciples. Surely the fact that they can effect such miracles is a display of their faith in him so in truth they too must be followers as using a name with no faith is ineffective.

[scorpio]

http://www.luciferia.tv/Law66666/masonic%20execution.jpg

Ritual Murder and Masonic Oaths.

"For example, in the very first degree oath of Freemasonry, the candidate declares:

...binding myself under no less penalty than that of having my throat cut across, my tongue torn out by its roots, and my body buried in the rough sands of the sea, at low-water mark, where the tide ebbs and flows twice in twenty-four hours, should I ever knowingly violate this my Entered Apprentice obligation.

Second degree Masons recite the following heinous oath:

...binding myself under no less penalty than that of having my breast torn open, my heart plucked out, and placed on the highest pinnacle of the temple there to be devoured by the vultures of the air, should I ever knowingly violate the Fellow Craft obligation.

The third degree oath proclaims:

...binding myself under no less penalty than that of having my body severed in two, my bowels taken from thence and burned to ashes, the ashes scattered before the four winds of heaven, that no more remembrance might be had of so vile and wicked a wretch as I would be, should I ever, knowingly, violate this my Master Mason's obligation.

That's not all.



In the 4th degree, Mark Master of the York Rite, the candidate performs a ritual which symbolizes having his "ear smitten off" if he reveals the order's secrets.



And for the 5th degree, Past Master, the hapless candidate agrees as follows:

...binding myself under no less penalty than (in addition to all my former penalties) to have my tongue split from tip to root, that I might thereafter be unable to pronounce the word.

The sixth degree (Most Excellent Master) of the York Rite continues with the horrific penalties:

...binding myself under no less penalty than to have my breast torn open, and my heart and vitals taken from thence, and exposed to rot on the dunghill. "http://www.bibliotecapleyades.net/sociopolitica/codex_magica/codex_magica14.htm

http://magus71.files.wordpress.com/2008/03/marine-throat-cut.jpg?w=655

It seems to me that cutting a person's throat, dismboweling them and burying them "would" result in the death of the victim.

Just by "contradicting" this and stating that you do not have oaths which involve ritual murder is insufficient. Perhaps you could provide some kind of medical evidence regarding how a person can physicall survive throat cutting, disembowelment, the tearing out of the heart and burial or the burning of the body to ash.

It has also been argued that the Masonic oaths have nothing to do with "ritual murder" but are rather suicide oaths. However I think it would be impossible for a person to kill themselves in such a way and then bury themselves.

Perhaps one of the Masons here could offer to demonstrate surviving after their they have cut their own throats, disembowelled themselves, torn out their own heart, severed their body in two and buried themselves under the sands of the ocean or burned their remains and scattered the ashes to the four winds.

Lux

The penalties listed above are regarded as being the ancient penalties for the breaking of the obligations of these various degrees. The Freemason's modern penalty is becoming a willful perjured individual, void of moral worth and not fit to be received into any societyWhere honour is valued.When these obligations are broken. Freemasons do not kill other freemasons when they break obligations.:cool:
regards
Gerard

[marpat]

The penalties listed above are regarded as being the ancient penalties for the breaking of the obligations of these various degrees. The Freemason's modern penalty is becoming a willful perjured individual, void of moral worth and not fit to be received into any societyWhere honour is valued.When these obligations are broken. Freemasons do not kill other freemasons when they break obligations.:cool:
regards
Gerard

The problem for many people is they see such things and take them literally. They soon change their attitudes when you tell them that christianity condones cannibalism. They then remember that some things are symbolic, although it only appears to refer to their own beliefs and not those other others.

[luciferhorus]

The problem for many people is they see such things and take them literally. They soon change their attitudes when you tell them that christianity condones cannibalism. They then remember that some things are symbolic, although it only appears to refer to their own beliefs and not those other others.

Such secrecy "oaths" are common to almost all ancient and modern mystery cults; even in modern Neowicca and Neopaganism in general. However I don't really find this so objectionable; it is just an ancient tradition. The Jesuit oaths which I have read are even more blood curdling than the Masonic oaths, and in fact the oaths of American allegiance to the US Repiblic which US children recite essentially goes far beyond any such ritual murder oaths since allegiance to the American flag (the disease of nationalism) and the state terrorist / narco-terrorist "rebuplic for which it stands" has genocidal implications.

Masonry is just a competing brand of Capitalist Christianity in the Jesus business market place as far as I am concerned. Their silly oaths and rituals do not really bother me, but they serve a useful purpose in keeping the mutual hostility between the Christians and the Masons going. As to who is the worst of the two groups as far as non Masonic Christian Capitalists and the Masonic Christians are concerned, it is not really a matter of "belief" but of behaviour and as far as the Masonic Christians are concerned I generally concur with David Icke's analysis and judement (apart from rather silly belief that some of them transform into reptiles) that they are very much poart of the Capitalist establishment and at the heart of the general "conspiracy" to establish an International Dictatorship of Capitalism at which the Anglo-American state terrorists are at the forefront.

Lux

[purplepebble]

And what is the left hand path? it is easy to make claims about possession yet such stabs are nothing but weak efforts to try and discriminate against a person who cannot be easily beaten by a real debate. Usually peoppel resort to such attacks, or the even better mind control excuse.

I may not know every mason in the world but this does not mean there is any truth in what you clamied about your 'friend'. My answer would be that if they wanted to get invovled with such things then there is absolutely no need to be invovled with freemasonry. It would be against the principles of it for a start.

If you make a claim about freemasons doing such things then I would like to see some compelling evidence for it, not twisted words and speculations. You claim a friend showed you all sorts of stuff, so lets have it!!


The reason I think you may be possessed is this - no person on a spiritual path, especially one who is a mason and supposed to be on the path to "illumination", and the supposed righteous/charitable/innocent path that is is
said of masonry (which some masons do adhere to, I don't think that is true of you though), would bring a negative sexual connotation into a conversation. By implying that the only reason my friend would divulge certain things to me on a purely sexual basis, and your assumption that he had ulterior motives just shows what level you are at. This was your justification for his reasons, and not the truth, your projection of imaginary events that you conjured up in your mind. That you probably base on your own experiences.

You tried to bring a reasonable debate down to your level.
I know a bit more about his spiritual history than you do, most of our conversations were of an esoteric/spiritual nature.

Again, what twisted words have I used?

What do you want to see? The things that I was shown cannot be portrayed over the internet, they were of a spiritual/etheric/esoteric nature,
and if you are as enlightened as you would like to think you are, you would know that your desire to have me prove such things to you via the net is ridiculous. That would be like asking a shaman to give away all of his spiritual knowledge to people who should not necessarily be privy to it.

[1776]

The problem for many people is they see such things and take them literally. They soon change their attitudes when you tell them that christianity condones cannibalism. They then remember that some things are symbolic, although it only appears to refer to their own beliefs and not those other others.

Symbolic huh?


Tell that to the families of William Morgan (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/William_Morgan_%28anti-Mason%29) or Roberto Calvi - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia, to name just a couple.

Freemasons who break the Oath will meet similar fates, no doubt.

I understand that there's symbolism and esoteric meaning throughout the Bible as well as the Lodges and its literature/books, but the Oaths are very real, and sometimes all too literal.

Peace&Love
God bless

[bowtiedaddy]

Others join becasue they genuinely want to try and put across the truth about what freemasonry is and counteract the sad bigotted nonsense that flies around .


So who is it doing this shit then? I'll give anyone the benefit of the doubt if they'lll be frank and tell me who's taken their organization and turned it into ill, which quite a few of this organization have told me. I know several of the founders of America were masons as well as a number of people I admire.

If they're trying to set things right, they certainly aren't doing much of a job at it. I understand the historical reason for secret societies (circumventing totalitarian regimes and religions for the most part) but, if what they're after is so noble, why continue with it? Certainly, if what they're after is in step with the wills of the founders of America, why the secrecy? We'd be totally for it.

[bowtiedaddy]

You know. . . one thought:

What if those penalties were levied against people who broke their oath to the constitution. They DO take such an oath, after all. Do you think the DC criminals would do half of what they do?

[luciferhorus]

if what they're after is so noble, .....

Yes the word 'noble ("Possessing hereditary rank in a political system or social class derived from a feudalistic stage of a country's development.") sums up their aristocratic cult leader (The Fieldmarshall, the Duke of Kent).

http://www.exetermemories.co.uk/em/21st_century_exeter/dukekent.jpg

It is just a gang of Capitalists who join to advance their careers, businesses and to rise up the Capitalist food chain; that is certainly the case in Scotland and the England anyway, and my general impression.

It is just that some gangs of Capitalists are more powerful than others. Take the Italian mafia for example; they also have rituals, oath swearing and masters; as do the bloods and the crips.

I think that Masonic gang is singled out as they are older, more established and they have lodges associated with financial institution and they essentially seem to dominate the City of London (the financial districts). Essentially every gangster and drugs dealer in the world dreams of infiltrating the police, government, military and especially the "banks." The Masons have just been around a lot longer and are more established, and try to promote an air of respectability.

I recall the story of the head of a Russian mafia gang who got fed up with laundering his money through a certain Russian bank and paying bank charges. So one day he and his crew walked into the office of the director of the bank and give him a simple choice; he and the other directors could choose between the bank or their lives? The bankers simply were not violent and powerful enough to hold on to the ownership of the bank. Wheras in the UK, it is a different matter, since the British Capitalist Mafia (the Masons) have infiltrated the police, the military, the government etc.

It is all about power and money.

The British mafia (the Masons) are just one of many Capitalist gangs in Capitalism; the ultimate problem is not Masonry, but the existence of Capitalism itself.

If it were not the Masons, it would be some other gang of Capitalists with a different name, different rituals, different oaths. The non Masonic Christians here who attack the Christian Masons over their "beleifs" are just part of competing and currently powerless gangs of Christian Capitalists who would merely like to see a Christian Capitalist gang in power who share their own belief systems. It is simply a dispute over belief, not over economics as far as the Christians and anti-Communists are concerned.

Masonry is just another Christian Capitalist brand name; what will be required is nothing less than the eradication of the Christians and all competing Capitalist gangs and the total destruction of the Capitalist system. Otherwise it would just be another palace revolution in Capitalism where one set of nobles replaces another.

Lux

[twilighterheart]

It is all about power and money.

The British mafia (the Masons) are just one of many Capitalist gangs in Capitalism; the ultimate problem is not Masonry, but the existence of Capitalism itself.

If it were not the Masons, it would be some other gang of Capitalists with a different name, different rituals, different oaths. The non Masonic Christians here who attack the Christian Masons over their "beleifs" are just part of competing and currently powerless gangs of Christian Capitalists who would merely like to see a Christian Capitalist gang in power who share their own belief systems. It is simply a dispute over belief, not over economics as far as the Christians and anti-Communists are concerned.

Masonry is just another Christian Capitalist brand name; what will be required is nothing less than the eradication of the Christians and all competing Capitalist gangs and the total destruction of the Capitalist system. Otherwise it would just be another palace revolution in Capitalism where one set of nobles replaces another.

Lux

Scarface (1983): After all, Tony is told that the world is his, so why shouldn't he want it all? Or as he so eloquently puts it: "In this country, you gotta make the money first. Then when you get the money, you get the power. Then when you get the power, then you get the women."

[christ4life]

Christianity does not condone cannibalism, and its not apart of freemasonry. All religions maybe accepted that maybe be true but they will eventually have to let go of their beliefs in order to get further up the ladder. If your refering to this passage here this is what it really means...
http://gracethrufaith.com/ask-a-bible-teacher/did-god-condone-cannibalism/

[humason]

Christianity does not condone cannibalism, and its not apart of freemasonry. All religions maybe accepted that maybe be true but they will eventually have to let go of their beliefs in order to get further up the ladder. If your refering to this passage here this is what it really means...
http://gracethrufaith.com/ask-a-bible-teacher/did-god-condone-cannibalism/

While I'm not sure what he's referring to, what I would refer to is the transubstantiation of bread and wine... :)
You know, the whole "This is my body" thing?


And, my lecture on the use of the English language for today:

"and its not apart of freemasonry"
and
"and its not a part of freemasonry"

are two very different things. You, surely, meant to say "a part of"? (You should be rather embarrassed that a non-native speaker knows the difference, and you don't.)

[theoriginalmurph]

And, my lecture on the use of the English language for today:

"and its not apart of freemasonry"
and
"and its not a part of freemasonry"

are two very different things. You, surely, meant to say "a part of"? (You should be rather embarrassed that a non-native speaker knows the difference, and you don't.)

What attracts Masons to the DI forum? The grammar lessons? Now we know what the letter G stands for...

[humason]

What attracts Masons to the DI forum? The grammar lessons? Now we know what the letter G stands for...

apart:
# aside: placed or kept separate and distinct as for a purpose; "had a feeling of being set apart"; "quality sets it apart"; "a day set aside for relaxing"

a part:
# something determined in relation to something that includes it; "he wanted to feel a part of something bigger than himself"; "I read a portion of the manuscript"; "the smaller component is hard to reach"; "the animal constituent of plankton"


SERIOUS difference in my opinion, wouldn't you say? as in, the complete opposite?

[theoriginalmurph]

apart:
# aside: placed or kept separate and distinct as for a purpose; "had a feeling of being set apart"; "quality sets it apart"; "a day set aside for relaxing"

a part:
# something determined in relation to something that includes it; "he wanted to feel a part of something bigger than himself"; "I read a portion of the manuscript"; "the smaller component is hard to reach"; "the animal constituent of plankton"


SERIOUS difference in my opinion, wouldn't you say? as in, the complete opposite?

Ha! I knew it! The G does stand for "Grammar" :-P

[christ4life]

While I'm not sure what he's referring to, what I would refer to is the transubstantiation of bread and wine... :)
You know, the whole "This is my body" thing?


And, my lecture on the use of the English language for today:

"and its not apart of freemasonry"
and
"and its not a part of freemasonry"

are two very different things. You, surely, meant to say "a part of"? (You should be rather embarrassed that a non-native speaker knows the difference, and you don't.)

Jesus says things that have different meanings than what is actually being said. Just like the parables he told. Bread repesents healing, and blood represents forgiveness of sin. This is a catholic teaching, and doesn't surprise me.

http://www.knollwoodchurch.org/yr2003/d08_transubstantiation.html

As for the grammer people come here to see whats being said not how someone wrote it. Which to me is more important. I see alot of people on here who either do it on purpose, or don't use it so feel free to be the grammer teacher on the forum.

[humason]

Jesus says things that have different meanings than what is actually being said. Just like the parables he told. Bread repesents healing, and blood represents forgiveness of sin. .

WTF is grammer? Doesn't your browser come with a built-in spell checker for Jesuses sake? :D

As for what you actually wrote, you're quite correct. In fact, it's exactly like the masonic penalties that have different meanings than what is actually being said. Just like the parables.

[kenny_bubb]

While I'm not sure what he's referring to, what I would refer to is the transubstantiation of bread and wine... :)
You know, the whole "This is my body" thing?


And, my lecture on the use of the English language for today:

"and its not apart of freemasonry"
and
"and its not a part of freemasonry"

are two very different things. You, surely, meant to say "a part of"? (You should be rather embarrassed that a non-native speaker knows the difference, and you don't.)

Well, if the grammar police have been called in and we're going to be pedantic, it should read: "... and it's not a part of freemasonry."

Come on Humason, don't forget the humble apostrophe!

[humason]

Well, if the grammar police have been called in and we're going to be pedantic, it should read: "... and it's not a part of freemasonry."

Come on Humason, don't forget the humble apostrophe!

I sit corrected, and you're absolutely right :)

[christ4life]

WTF is grammer? Doesn't your browser come with a built-in spell checker for Jesuses sake? :D

As for what you actually wrote, you're quite correct. In fact, it's exactly like the masonic penalties that have different meanings than what is actually being said. Just like the parables.

Your just trying to discredit me. I know these little tactics you pull oviously you think I'm some kind of threat to you because why waste your time on me when there are many people on here who don't have perfect grammer. I said grammer on purpose, and you fell for it. I was trying to point out people care more about whats being said than how it is spelled. Just look in the forum. Look anywere on the internet, and you will see that. If I'm so close to being a mason than were just alike:), but you know just as well as I know that isn't true.

[johnboy2]

Aaahhh, our good ol' friendly cuddly mason brothers... oh wait, I'm just another ignorant profane peasant... so I guess I'm not part of the club... oh well. :rolleyes:

The truth is, that the majority of masons and the lower degrees are not all evil blood drinking pedos... And they do genuinely believe in what they are told when they join, and blindly defend masonry and all it stands for with a passion. There is always a kind of 'How dare the ignorant, profane masses criticise and speak badly of the ancient and noble tradition of masonry!' attitude, whenever anyone even questions freemasonary. As if it is some untouchable, sacred instition that has never done and can never do any wrong. However the higher up the ranks you go, the bigger the secrets... just like in any organisation... but especially one based on secrecy and at the heart of the control of our society.

The truth is, that masonary is used as coverup many unsavoury, dishonest and immoral activities. Which go undetected, unpunished and usually never spoken of.

People who know, know. Those that choose to stay ignorant and refuse to believe what is staring them in the face, simply bury their head deeper in the sand. But I'll just say my 2pence, for people to think about... In my experience, there are many people who do know what goes on. They are aware of freemasonry and the corruption, injustice and lies that go along with it. It's just that most people are too scared to talk about it publicly, or know that there is simply no point, since all major authorities and institutions are run by/infiltrated by masonry. :cool:

As to why they like to post on here, I would think there are several main reasons;
curiousity/information collecting (ie checking out what the tin foil hat brigade are goin on about every week)
propaganda (making sure they spread the word, and tell people the innocent "truth" about freemasonry)
agenda pushing
trolling
boredom....

[agneau]

The truth is, that masonary is used as coverup many unsavoury, dishonest and immoral activities. Which go undetected, unpunished and usually never spoken of.


And what, exactly, convinced you of this truth?

[humason]

Your just trying to discredit me. I know these little tactics you pull oviously you think I'm some kind of threat to you because why waste your time on me when there are many people on here who don't have perfect grammer. I said grammer on purpose, and you fell for it. I was trying to point out people care more about whats being said than how it is spelled. Just look in the forum. Look anywere on the internet, and you will see that. If I'm so close to being a mason than were just alike:), but you know just as well as I know that isn't true.


Oh, don't worry, you're managing it yourself quite well, without any assistance from me. I assume you said grammer on purpose - twice - again?

But, you're right, moving on from the spelling. Do you want to answer the whole "Christians/Catholics are Cannibals" thing? And please, it's a democracy last I checked - go ahead and think and speak what ever you want! You're not a threat - Masonry has been around for centuries, and it's still kicking :) go ahead a preach the evils of Masonry from the mountain, so to say. :)

[1776]

WTF is grammer? Doesn't your browser come with a built-in spell checker for Jesuses sake? :D

As for what you actually wrote, you're quite correct. In fact, it's exactly like the masonic penalties that have different meanings than what is actually being said. Just like the parables.

It's a lot less symbolic and much more literal when people are actually dying and being murdered, isn't it?

:rolleyes:

The Oaths are real, are they not?

Or are you taking these Oaths as a 'joke', like when children play 'dress-up' or 'house'?


Peace&Love
God bless

[humason]

It's a lot less symbolic and much more literal when people are actually dying and being murdered, isn't it?

:rolleyes:

The Oaths are real, are they not?

Or are you taking these Oaths as a 'joke', like when children play 'dress-up' or 'house'?

William Morgan - IF that was a "Masonic" murder, it was a fluke and totally reprehensible.

Roberto Calvi - P2 was NOT a regular Masonic lodge, or even one like GSes Grand Lodge. They lost their warrant and the majority of their real members, and operated on their own. It's like laying the paedophillia issue in the Ctholic Church at the door of every priest, brother and nun in the world.

The oaths - as it was explained to you dozens of times are SYMBOLIC. Just like eating of Christs flesh and drinking his blood (even more so - the church claims that the host and wine actually change into flesh and blood). They are not "utilized". I do not take them as a joke, but neither do I take them literally. Besides, if my Brothers wanted to do something to me, let's face it, the vast majority of them would have a heart attack if they tried to chase me :)

[grandsecretary]

The Oaths are real, are they not?


No, there are no Oaths in the Moderns system, it is not a joke but certainly an insult to truly religious people.

In order for an Oath to be an Oath you need ALL of those present and taking part to believe in God and the immortality of the soul.

An Oath requires God as witness to the truth, and the ultimate punisher in cases of dishonesty.

To be a Moderns Freemason you do NOT need to believe in God and the immortality of the soul. The symbolic penalties, therefore, are likewise useless nonsense, due to the fact that they illustrate God's punishment for those who take His Name in vain, the loss of the immortal soul.

[theoriginalmurph]

Did I read this thread correctly? Did a silly joke about grammar turn into bickering?

WTF is grammer? Doesn't your browser come with a built-in spell checker for Jesuses sake? :D

That's a good question to ask all of our Jesuses. Well, there's a lot buzz circulating about this "order out of chaos" thing, so, yeah, WTF is grammar?

Someone posted a thread about that FPS video game "Fallout 3", noting some similarities between it's characters and real-world people. (Note to all Smooth-Skins in the know: I do not deal in Ultrajet, nor have I any need for Sugar Bombs.) Thinking about that, it's neat how this forum can be compared to the Capital Wasteland. Some of us are fresh out of the Vault. Some of us are members of Church of Atom. Some of us are Ghouls. And so forth. So, it should come as no surprise to find a few members of the Brotherhood of Steel, and a few Outcasts, too.

As for what you actually wrote, you're quite correct. In fact, it's exactly like the masonic penalties that have different meanings than what is actually being said. Just like the parables.

Now, if you all don't mind, I shall be out hunting Mirelurks today. Cheers.

[humason]

Did I read this thread correctly? Did a silly joke about grammar turn into bickering?



That's a good question to ask all of our Jesuses. Well, there's a lot buzz circulating about this "order out of chaos" thing, so, yeah, WTF is grammar?

Someone posted a thread about that FPS video game "Fallout 3", noting some similarities between it's characters and real-world people. (Note to all Smooth-Skins in the know: I do not deal in Ultrajet, nor have I any need for Sugar Bombs.) Thinking about that, it's neat how this forum can be compared to the Capital Wasteland. Some of us are fresh out of the Vault. Some of us are members of Church of Atom. Some of us are Ghouls. And so forth. So, it should come as no surprise to find a few members of the Brotherhood of Steel, and a few Outcasts, too.



Now, if you all don't mind, I shall be out hunting Mirelurks today. Cheers.

Fallout? Naah, I'm more of the S.T.A.L.K.E.R. variety :)

[piskavac]

Guys, I think Masons are attracted to this forum by ME!



IMHO

[humason]

Guys, I think Masons are attracted to this forum by ME!

IMHO

Grešiš. Ovdje smo zbog ovce u tvom profilu! :D

[piskavac]

Grešiš. Ovdje smo zbog ovce u tvom profilu! :D

Hahahahaha!!! Možda bi vas i ova tema (http://www.davidicke.com/forum/showthread.php?t=95367&highlight=chipped) mogla privući?