Lizard people..seriously?

[pally]

Watched few shows from David Icke, seemed very interesting until he began to speak about lizard people mind controlling the ruling class...How do you even come up with this? I was all like lolwtf?! Even Space Elf that lives in my attic finds it hard to believe in...

[merlincove]

Maybe you should read a few of his books and see the reasoning behind the concept :D

[bobbydiva]

Watched few shows from David Icke, seemed very interesting until he began to speak about lizard people mind controlling the ruling class...How do you even come up with this? I was all like lolwtf?! Even Space Elf that lives in my attic finds it hard to believe in...

It is hard indeed. Personally I'm not quite with him on that, but the background research recounting the stories from the ancients and the modern science of the reptilian "r-complex" brain is spot on - it's just whether you make the jump.

I think the idea of left-brain r-complex people is perhaps more accurate, rather than full blown shapeshifters, but that's just me.

I absolutely respect his right to share his beleifs - many which are empowering and inspirational.

[ekim]

It is by far the most common if not only reason people find Icke hard to believe.

From what I have learned and experienced there is some truth in his claims, it goes much deeper than that though.

[pally]

Ok, give me some proof, pictures, videos caught on tape, research, anything?

[ekim]

Ok, give me some proof, pictures, videos caught on tape, research, anything?

Ask about everything you want to know about the subject while waiting for 10 grams of magic mushrooms to become active, come back and tell us all about it.

[edelweiss pirate]

Watched few shows from David Icke, seemed very interesting until he began to speak about lizard people mind controlling the ruling class...How do you even come up with this? I was all like lolwtf?! Even Space Elf that lives in my attic finds it hard to believe in...

Who knows.... I value the rest of his information.

Hey, I don't like swede but that doesn't mean I hate vegetables.

[pally]

Ask about everything you want to know about the subject while waiting for 10 grams of magic mushrooms to become active, come back and tell us all about it.

You you people base this theory entirely on hallucinogenic mushrooms?

[edelweiss pirate]

You you people base this theory entirely on hallucinogenic mushrooms?

Actually you'll find the elite spend most of their lives off their head on adrenochrome.

[lilith light]

Reality is what you allow your mind to see.

It could be possible that our souls are holograms beamed down into rocklife bodies. We all have a reptilian part of our minds. They have recently found that dinosaurs were shapeshifters.

If you believe in quantum physics, then anything is possible.

[pally]

Who knows.... I value the rest of his information.

Hey, I don't like swede but that doesn't mean I hate vegetables.

I dont say that everything he says is nonsense based on this single fact, its just that this fact is at the base most of his stuff...

[freeyourmindfreeyourself]

I personaly belive a lot of what David Icke says not sure about Reptilians and the Moon matrix but I am prepared to keep a open mind. I dont belive David Ickes a bullshiter.

[edelweiss pirate]

I dont say that everything he says is nonsense based on this single fact, its just that this fact is at the base most of his stuff...

Well he MAY have been fed disinfo from Arizona Wilder or maybe she was hypnotised and hallucinatining. Or maybe they really DO exist.

If you have proof one way or another I'd love to hear it.

[merlincove]

Ok, give me some proof, pictures, videos caught on tape, research, anything?

like i say, read the works and make up your own mind, it is not for us to convince you of anything, and like David says, go research it for yourself and make an educated evaluation of the points given :D

"Don't believe anything, just because I said it. Find out for yourself."

David Icke.

I think buddha may have said something similar ;)

[ekim]

You you people base this theory entirely on hallucinogenic mushrooms?

When did I say that?

[pally]

So what did you find out during your own research?

[merlincove]

So what did you find out during your own research?

why ask us our truth, when the truth is there for you to find?

[joeman_0]

I don't know if British educational system taught you how to think. But I guess not. thinking process is not taught in school.

The right thing to do is to suspend judgment, indefinitely if you need to, until you are absolutely certain that we are completely alone in the universe.

The wrong thing to do is to dismiss it and ridicule any you don't understand.

[ekim]

Is there any possible way you would take me seriously? Would you have to experience altered states of consciousness and perception to comprehend the subject matter?

Would you consider entering altered states? Perhaps without drugs? Perhaps with drugs?

Seriously, are you here because you are interested in the subject or just here to call people lunatics?

[pally]

I don't know if British educational system taught you how to think. But I guess not. thinking process is not taught in school.

The right thing to do is to suspend judgment, indefinitely if you need to, until you are absolutely certain that we are completely alone in the universe.

The wrong thing to do is to dismiss it and ridicule any you don't understand.

I'm russian, not british :).

Im not asking to give me your truth, i just want to know what sort of revelation did you come across to make you believe in this?

[freeyourmindfreeyourself]

Is there any possible way you would take me seriously? Would you have to experience altered states of consciousness and perception to comprehend the subject matter?

Would you consider entering altered states? Perhaps without drugs? Perhaps with drugs?

Seriously, are you here because you are interested in the subject or just here to call people lunatics?

Read the books make up your mind. Science tells you theres a black hole in the centre of the universe. Do you belive it? Think it could be a way of describing somthing else like a metaphor, discount it as rubbish, or keep a open mind.

I keep a open mind out of respect of the work he has done. In science they say the validity of a theory is its ability to stand up over time against attack.

David Icke in my personal opinion has stood the test of time.

[alphabet]

Watched few shows from David Icke, seemed very interesting until he began to speak about lizard people mind controlling the ruling class...How do you even come up with this? I was all like lolwtf?! Even Space Elf that lives in my attic finds it hard to believe in...

http://www.davidicke.com/forum/forumdisplay.php?f=18

I guess all green lizardy/reptillian stuff is in that forum.

Lizard people. The words bring an upright crocodile or giant lizard as a picture in my mind. Never seen that in real life....

Big universe? How did the universe/earth get here all the way from the start?
How are we so perfectly 'made' that all the parts fit and work with each other.

How many different species on this planet?

Come back with the answers, and then look at this problem again. Very possible and very likely, though never seen....that type of thing mentioned.

[clint_giles]

Watched few shows from David Icke, seemed very interesting until he began to speak about lizard people mind controlling the ruling class...How do you even come up with this? I was all like lolwtf?! Even Space Elf that lives in my attic finds it hard to believe in...

welcome to the rrabbit hole

[hollo]

Ok, give me some proof, pictures, videos caught on tape, research, anything?

for those that believe - no proof is neccasary
for those that dont believe - no ammount of proof will ever be enough

[grenadene]

Watched few shows from David Icke, seemed very interesting until he began to speak about lizard people mind controlling the ruling class...How do you even come up with this? I was all like lolwtf?! Even Space Elf that lives in my attic finds it hard to believe in...

What do you think about the rest of his material? and the conspiracy genre in general?

Oh and welcome to the forum :)

[noncooperation]

DI claims to have had contact with sacrificial victims (who survived!) and have witnessed full blown shape-shifting ( i believe i am correct in this - i have read more than half of his books).
There are numerous witnesses of partial shifting e.g. changes in the eyes (going completely black or reptile like), DI witnessed Edward Heaths eyes being totally black, EH just stared at him, not saying a word.

[mountain]

To the OP, it does seem to be quite extraordinary.

While coming up as a child, I had this fascination with the unknown and UFOs beginning from the age of six and as a young teen I started to really self-educate, so almost any book that I encountered I at least would give it a thorough glimpse through each page. I have found that there are many references to lizard-like serpent beings in various history and folklore from around the globe like in China, Greece, the Americas and even the Bible. In fact, there are too many references to ignore and write off as metaphor.

Before discovering Icke, I have always felt there were many pieces missing in the grand jigsaw and when I stumbled upon his book Children of the Matrix, the puzzle filled in much more for me. Then there are personal experiences about things that cannot be explained in a simplest terms.

If you must know, I would suggest that you research intently, read into things and then come to your own conclusion. The only answer there is is within yourself.

Good luck and welcome to the forum :)

[mark1963]

In the David Icke Books there is an author Pierre Sabak.

He has spent many years researching the origins of words.

That alone should convince you that many many words have a serpent/reptilian origin.

[pri01]

You you people base this theory entirely on hallucinogenic mushrooms?

Who are you you people? What exactly are hallucinogenic mushrooms?

[madthumbs]

If you believe in quantum physics, then anything is possible.

-The new religion. "if you believe".

http://video.google.com/videoplay?docid=-2912878405399014351#

[freeyourmindfreeyourself]

-The new religion. "if you believe".

http://video.google.com/videoplay?docid=-2912878405399014351#

Thanks havent seen that video in a while! Really good:) I wonder where warwoman is now?

[shake]

http://www.kludoman.com/pictures/rock_art/jim-morrison-08.gif

The lizard KING :)

[lee13]

So what did you find out during your own research?
The reps are here, always have been. I cannot prove it to you as I am always in a hypnagogic state when I have seen them. Cannot use my phone to record them. Sleep paralysis prevents this. Believe me I have tried. I do not care if you think I am 'mad' you will find out yourself eventually.
When or if I get proof this forum will be first to know.

[alphabet]

I am a witch. Ok, I'm not. Back in the day, I was. I had to hide my identity as people kept wanting to burn me and my people to the stake.
I had to hide my cloak, my spell book, my toad and frogs legs. I had to hide everything. I did not want to hide anything.

I am not a lizard person though.

:D

[lee13]

i am a witch. Ok, i'm not. Back in the day, i was. I had to hide my identity as people kept wanting to burn me and my people to the stake.
I had to hide my cloak, my spell book, my toad and frogs legs. I had to hide everything. I did not want to hide anything.

I am not a lizard person though.

:d
cool

[11kushna11]

I'm prepared to accept that there could be an extraterrestrial race of reptillian life-forms; it's entirely conceivable.

But based on the evidence that we have, it's difficult to swallow. David Icke has a propensity to blindly trust people without bothering to verify their claims and seems to revel in making wild accusations against the elite based on conjecture. A lot of the historical evidence he cites is misinterpreted or tenuous and people like Arizona Wilder or Credo Mutwa are utterly disbelievable.

I do think that perhaps we have been manipulated in some way by non-coporeal or non-terrestrial intelligence, but I don't know for sure... all I'd say is that the reptillian thing needs to be taken with a massive pinch of salt.

[merlincove]

I really do love this forum :D

[woah]

They have recently found that dinosaurs were shapeshifters.


I 'have recently found that dinosaurs' don't exist so i wouldn't worry about shapeshifters.

[crystalline]

I think out of the billions of stars and planets out there, to think that the human species is the only advanced race is incredibly naive and arrogant.

[les_paul_robot]

Reptilian alien races are highly likely, in fact it would be crazier if there wasn't.
Where I think DI has it wrong is the shapeshifting. There is, I think, a difference between 3D reptilians and those on the astral.

Reptilian doubters get this through your thick skulls: http://www.truthism.com
:)

[mattzadak]

Ok, give me some proof, pictures, videos caught on tape, research, anything?

op i would suggest trying search engines

[mattzadak]

Ok, give me some proof, pictures, videos caught on tape, research, anything?

references to reptilian entities are redundant in historical records

[sh3lly]

To the OP, it does seem to be quite extraordinary.

While coming up as a child, I had this fascination with the unknown and UFOs beginning from the age of six and as a young teen I started to really self-educate, so almost any book that I encountered I at least would give it a thorough glimpse through each page. I have found that there are many references to lizard-like serpent beings in various history and folklore from around the globe like in China, Greece, the Americas and even the Bible. In fact, there are too many references to ignore and write off as metaphor.

Before discovering Icke, I have always felt there were many pieces missing in the grand jigsaw and when I stumbled upon his book Children of the Matrix, the puzzle filled in much more for me. Then there are personal experiences about things that cannot be explained in a simplest terms.

If you must know, I would suggest that you research intently, read into things and then come to your own conclusion. The only answer there is is within yourself.

Good luck and welcome to the forum :)

Great post! This is largely my view as well.

I admit I am somewhat still unsold on the shape-shifting thing, but the evidence about reptilian "creatures" inhabiting the earth in ancient times is too prolific to ignore. I am pretty much convinced a reptilian species dominated the planet at some point in the past. I am just not sure if they are still dominating it.

One definitely has to do the research for oneself. The main thing is, you can take it or leave it. The message of Icke is still one of hope and inspiration. That's what's most important in our (seems to be mainly to me at least) dark world today.

[ufochick]

Ok, give me some proof, pictures, videos caught on tape, research, anything?

Why? it will be like proving there is a God. We are not there yet technology wise. Eventually we will be. It's a simple fact that you either believe thousands of reports of interactions between humans and a retoid race over thousands of years or you don't... Your choice.. believe or don't... doesn't matter to me either way.

I can say "prove you are who you say you are".. how would you do that? You can't using the internet. Same thing. I could always come up with a reason not to believe you. A person can play "yes but" about almost anything forever. A stupid game.

Your choice, take it or leave it. :)

[loading]

Watched few shows from David Icke, seemed very interesting until he began to speak about lizard people mind controlling the ruling class...How do you even come up with this? I was all like lolwtf?! Even Space Elf that lives in my attic finds it hard to believe in...

Don't believe in it, keep an open mind for it.
And btw nobody can prove the oposite. So why could'nt it be?

I never loved the fact that I had so many questions while I was growing and people just ignored them saying they aint important, that goes for my family, teachers, doctors and so on.

Stop looking at things as people are telling you to.

[ufochick]

I'm russian, not british :).

Im not asking to give me your truth, i just want to know what sort of revelation did you come across to make you believe in this?

I experienced it.. proof? Nope not to you probably. To me? yes it's proof.

http://www.davidicke.com/forum/showthread.php?p=1058642667#post1058642667

[lee13]

Why? it will be like proving there is a God. We are not there yet technology wise. Eventually we will be. It's a simple fact that you either believe thousands of reports of interactions between humans and a retoid race over thousands of years or you don't... Your choice.. believe or don't... doesn't matter to me either way.

I can say "prove you are who you say you are".. how would you do that? You can't using the internet. Same thing. I could always come up with a reason not to believe you. A person can play "yes but" about almost anything forever. A stupid game.

Your choice, take it or leave it. :)
+1

[cooperlee]

Time would be better spent spreading a message of love and showing humans how to reach their limitless potential, rather than proving the existence of a higher dimensional race. If humans reached their true potential then the "higher dimensional race controlling us" would no longer be an issue anyway.

Now let's all give each other a really big HUG.

NOW!

[lee13]

Time would be better spent spreading a message of love and showing humans how to reach their limitless potential, rather than proving the existence of a higher dimensional race. If humans reached their true potential then the "higher dimensional race controlling us" would no longer be an issue anyway.

Now let's all give each other a really big HUG.

NOW!
Your are right, but you have got to admit the rep agenda needs to be explored.

[kratos]

I hate it when he talks about Lizards, it's like he gives loads of good information then he jumps to Lizards and people laugh and think all the rest of his stuff he said is bullshit.

[icke_is_right]

The more problems people have with lizard belief, the more I believe. It's just too much for people to get there heads around. I actually think it's a mental block of sorts. I believe in reptillians as far as I can perceive the concept. Makes total sense to me and explains a lot.

Bloody, dragons and serpants everywhere in sculpture and historical references.

The other thing is, you're never going to be not wrong about something. The rabbit hole is so big, I'm not going to waste time feeling stupid because I eventually prove something I believe is untrue.

I was fooled with huge amounts of BS for years, I've cut through a huge percentage of it and even if I am 30% wrong, I know a whole lot more than I did.

If reptilians are too much to handle, just substitute the term 'psychopath' for reptillian and get on with other stuff. All you need to know is that lunatics of some sort are controlling things and stuffing things up for us all. I think this limits the scope of things but often things that are too much to handle make more sense after threading other bits of info together.

[ronisron]

The Reptilians are a touchy subject around these parts...:)

I don't know what to make of it. There certainly is lots of evidence around us that there is and always has been some sort of reptilian worship, given the dragons of Asian mythology, hieroglyphic depictions, translated Sumerian tablets that speak of different races of Gods being serpents, The serpents on logos of companies, Flags, Coats of arms, Gargoyles that adorn buildings.... not to mention the "reptilian brain", R complex of the triune brain system we all have. Some dinosaurs were shape shifters of sorts, and it's possible that they didn't all die out and somehow evolved along with mammals into a hybrid type of animal -- we see lots of things turning up these days that were believed to be extinct.

Who knows?? Icke says he hasn't seen one, and either have I. I would like to see one myself if they do. If they are running the show, I'd like to know what we're up against. To be honest it sure would go a long way in justifying the actions of our "ruling class".... absolutely bloodthirsty and all they want is "more" of everything -- sex, money, power.... they'lll do anything.

[jackdaw]

The Reptilians are a touchy subject around these parts...:)

I don't know what to make of it. There certainly is lots of evidence around us that there is and always has been some sort of reptilian worship, given the dragons of Asian mythology, hieroglyphic depictions, translated Sumerian tablets that speak of different races of Gods being serpents, The serpents on logos of companies, Flags, Coats of arms, Gargoyles that adorn buildings.... not to mention the "reptilian brain", R complex of the triune brain system we all have. . .

Who knows?? Icke says he hasn't seen one, and either have I. I would like to see one myself if they do. If they are running the show, I'd like to know what we're up against. . .

Problem is, when proof or some tangibility is asked for it falls foul of the believers' mindset. I've yet to see a properly constructed, cohesive set of statements that logically concludes that reptilians are among us. It's clearly too much of a challenge, and that's a prime reason the whole idea gets questioned and ridiculed. Little wonder many think this is all delusional nonsense.

[ufochick]

Problem is, when proof or some tangibility is asked for it falls foul of the believers' mindset. I've yet to see a properly constructed, cohesive set of statements that logically concludes that reptilians are among us. It's clearly too much of a challenge, and that's a prime reason the whole idea gets questioned and ridiculed. Little wonder many think this is all delusional nonsense.

It's kind like telling someone who has never heard of electricity about it. It can kill you BUT it's a good thing....It's like fire but it's not hot and it can gives light and it can make machines work...like the lightening in the sky.....oh never mind.

Eventually science will catch up and the "reality box" will get bigger.

[codie]

It's kind like telling someone who has never heard of electricity about it. It can kill you BUT it's a good thing....It's like fire but it's not hot and it can gives light and it can make machines work...like the lightening in the sky.....oh never mind.

Eventually science will catch up and the "reality box" will get bigger.

I love the way you explain things. You make so much sense.x :)

[wanaknow]

I wonder how many of those who post here dutifully go to church every week and happily accept that there's a God watching over us, or that there's this evil force called the Devil who's out to get us, people seem to have no problem accepting this concept, but mention Reptillians or Entities from another dimension and they just can't accept it - what's the difference?

To accept one is to accept the posibility of the other :o

[rhydra]

There is always the assumption that something or someone who is different is automatically evil or has bad intent. Look at the church and most religions, exclusive and discourage anything other than the permitted belief where reptiles are bad, goats are bad, bats are bad, black cats, old spinsters, anything other than the pastor or priest is there to lead you astray and into hell. Yet David Icke says not all reptilians are bad, indeed only a few are, and bad is, of course, an objective view. Indeed, it could be that one faces more potential harm to yourself in many ways from your own species though malice or unintentional benevolence.

[trappedinameatsuit]

Watched few shows from David Icke, seemed very interesting until he began to speak about lizard people mind controlling the ruling class...How do you even come up with this? I was all like lolwtf?! Even Space Elf that lives in my attic finds it hard to believe in... They're real, go stair at yourself in the mirror for a bit.

[samara]

I don't consider myself to be really far out, and I can't understand why so many people find this reptilian stuff hard to believe.
Maybe it's because I've read a bit about aliens, that I have studied Buddhism which talks of "worlds and their beings", and I have had experiences with ghosts, which also most people do not believe in.
I have heard people say that aliens are not real, and then go on to say that aliens are really demons. This confuses me. Surely if you think aliens are demons, and you believe that demons exist, then .. aliens exist? They are the same thing, only you call them by a different name?
I don't know whether the reptilians come from earth, or other planets, or the other side of the moon, or another dimension. Same with the greys and many other humanoid species. But to dismiss their existence altogether .. well, as Einstein said, "condemnation without investigation is the height of ignorance."

[hmz16]

its the way these people have been indoctrinated and programmed into society that makes them dismiss and ridicule any viable thing out there.

Aliens/entities exist, and some of them happen to be lizard-like, so what? what do you find hard to accept here? the only thing that would be blocking you would be ignorance and what "they" have tought you to be real. and "they" do not want the best for you.

[justin_pushka]

It makes perfect sence to me now. Although when it all came out bout 1997 i had a hard time dealing with it. I just couldnt get my head around it like all the other stuff. Now it just makes perfect sence. The thing that realy does it for me is that the universe should be teeming with life but for some reason it just seems so quiet out there. Then of course it would be if they were already here and trying to keep it quiet to exert control. Ive met a rothschild once and his conversation revolved around money making, ayn rands philosophy and satanism (i let it be known on the grape vine that i was into satanism to see if i could get a reaction and i did, he was very interested in me and talking to me on the subject of satanism) so i now dont have any trouble with the beleiving in the satanism part. ive not seen anyshape shifters but i dont really think its as outrageous as people make out.

[hadaka_jimmy]

I don't believe the lizard stuff either, it's just too 'V'. I can easily see how a cabal of bankers runs the Worlds' finances and have done and continue to manipulate global politics.

A lot of what Icke says makes perfect sense. The reptile agenda, Credo Mutwa and blood drinking shape shifters I seriously doubt.

[jackdaw]

its the way these people have been indoctrinated and programmed into society that makes them dismiss and ridicule any viable thing out there.

What gives you the ass to condescendingly say "these people". Because others don't agree with your ideas of 'viable' doesn't make them indoctrinated and programmed. Perhaps you'd be ok with us dismissing you out of hand as just another retard who can't think straight.

Next.

[2013]

The reps are here, always have been. I cannot prove it to you as I am always in a hypnagogic state when I have seen them. Cannot use my phone to record them. Sleep paralysis prevents this. Believe me I have tried. I do not care if you think I am 'mad' you will find out yourself eventually.
When or if I get proof this forum will be first to know.

Sound activated voice recorder .Very cheap and easy to use small digital type .just leave under the bed .Hopefully you could get some good results with that .good luck :D

[jackdaw]

Sound activated voice recorder .Very cheap and easy to use small digital type .just leave under the bed .Hopefully you could get some good results with that .good luck :D

Get a camera too - just a cheap, indiscrete one connected to a light/movement sensor. The day you wake up with vivid accounts in your head but nothing recorded should tell you something.

[hmz16]

What gives you the ass to condescendingly say "these people". Because others don't agree with your ideas of 'viable' doesn't make them indoctrinated and programmed. Perhaps you'd be ok with us dismissing you out of hand as just another retard who can't think straight.

Next.

put down the sword buddy!

you do realize its the truth, no matter how butthurt/mad you get about it.
people do grow up watching these flying saucers and stereotypical aliens, believing it's all fantasy and cartoons.
a fully grown man, fully enslaved, fully functional for the society, will most likely dismiss aliens/reptilians/entities, based on his mind programming. im not saying everyone is like that, just in case you throw another spear at me and whine about it.

[quetzalcoatl]

Well tis pretty much like the dangers of "be-lie-fs" (f*k sake! :rolleyes:), in general... :p Especially things like; "Religions / Monotheism" & "infinite consciousness", they're rarely solid undeniable truth, they are systems soo diverse in variation they cannot do anything else but cause division & friction (which in some cases has be proven self-evident) lack of consistency & any sort of consensual "knowing" unfortunately often ends-up being a rather destructive force, just as some 'beliefs' in Reptilians do - considering all degrees of severity. Truth on the other-hand & @ the knowing level does not require anyones particular belief in it to exist, a thing either is or it is-not, it far from malleable to anyones particular belief, especially second-hand beliefs (id-est; "well they tell me that's how it is - some of it makes sense - so I'll just believe it" type of thing), instead truth is constant & universal. The sky isn't recognized as blue because a believe level thinks it so...

Further-more, most pre-conceived notions or bias opinions / beliefs are basically counter-productive, especially those "repeating (add infinitum) beliefs" or programming systems; like a persistent virus spreading & converting through repetitious psychological bombardment. So beliefs are simply not quite enough & shouldn't really be settled for, when the path to absolute knowing of truth is open to everyone - yet it is only the self that can walk-it, it must sprout-up naturally / organically, with-in yourself & NO-ONE else! & again truths always been there, waiting for you; totally regardless of any level of personal belief. It even appears @ times genuine, undeniable 'real-time' Reptilian experiencers seem to not always get to know the absolute truth of it. It also seems 'they' (Reptilian Entities / manifestations) either come across as hauntingly "familiar spirits" - in which case I'd suggest searching / checking ones conscience, then re-choose & move beyond whatever it is (to where it all doesn't matter & simultaneously is really does all matter) - or they don't reflect much "unflattering criticisms" @ all, just the welcomed visiting "Truth Dragons" of all matters, if you will (well personally haven't felt or received any major or harsh 'judgments') - maybe even a friendly sub-conscious connection, that perhaps cames along with being open & comfortable with the "Ultimate Truth", primarily about ones-self.

I reckon there's most likely been same sort of ancient cosmic conflict of views / interests, which possibly directly involved the fate of our species & probably still does. Although it wouldn't surprise me in the least if all conflict has long been resolved & 'secretly' they're all relatively on the same side, all watching-in, observing developments & the only real challenge / adversary out there is naught but the self, the individual, the "inner-work" et-cetera, yet with implications on a collective scale. If we, as a whole race, are able to prove to become what is considered a harmonious / peaceful & loving species, in what - like it or not - is a rather vast galactic community, then there just might be some hope. Unfortunately the status-quo @ the moment is predominately adverse to The Law & golden rule, we are truly our own worst nemesis & many are utterly & helplessly in conscious denial of it, it's usually all some external influence or malevolent controller, anything but the self. On some level we all know "the way", yet many choose differently through fear & destructive sub-conscious projection - which is fine for a while, yet sooner or later we must realize that Reptilians or any other advanced race of beings aren't really out to get us - considering that hate / fear & negative intentions ultimately & inevitably are self-destructive & by nature of these proprieties cannot ever evolve or develop to any unrestrained spheres of influence - yet until then it sometimes seems more appropriate to hope we don't get exactly what we deserve. Basically, there's a minority of fake usurpers & charlatans posing as rulers while simultaneously & non-constructively imposing their beliefs on others & the rest are pretty much a mass of complacence &/or brain-washed zombies... :D Seriously tho, it ain't looking too good @ the moment, in general... But hey! I also reckon there's technology 'out there' capable of fully modifying / controlling global weather systems & near rendering obsolete big-oil & much of electricity utilities etc... - yet here we are...

Bout the best anyone can do is earnestly continue seeking the knowing of truth & not so much beliefs. Keep beliefs as substantial as possible & use unbiased logic, also practicality / common sense should also apply. Just don't get caught-up in letting beliefs rule over you or anyone else (where feasible). Make truth your friend & quiet companion, be open & comfortable with all truth as it comes to you, there is always more of it to realize & you'll know when you've got it, because ye shall be set free! :)

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Srsly Srs!

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Watched few shows from David Icke, seemed very interesting until he began to speak about lizard people mind controlling the ruling class...How do you even come up with this? I was all like lolwtf?! Even Space Elf that lives in my attic finds it hard to believe in...

You should atleast make an attempt to inform yourself on the subject before you speak in such conclusive and dismissive terms.

Just a simple rule of thumb. :)

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I don't believe the lizard stuff either, it's just too 'V'. I can easily see how a cabal of bankers runs the Worlds' finances and have done and continue to manipulate global politics.

A lot of what Icke says makes perfect sense. The reptile agenda, Credo Mutwa and blood drinking shape shifters I seriously doubt.

The "V stuff" as you call it is largely based on a plethora of stories that go back thousands of years.

Come on, you've been on the Icke forums for how long? You should know this by now. :)

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At first when i heard icke talk about Reptilians i thought it was crazy too and laughed at it, but the more i started to look into to it the less crazy it seemed.


and now after a couple years of looking into it i believe they do exist

you should also look at stewart swerdlow, alex collier and john rhodes information on Reptilians, its very interesting stuff

[deonamon]

Is it really that unrealistic that a race would evolve reptilian? mammals and reptiles are the two peaks of evolution on our planet.

http://i.imgur.com/wWLnU.jpg

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Ok, give me some proof, pictures, videos caught on tape, research, anything?

Aside from the mounds of evidence that you can see and read going back to time immemorial (run a search on the 'reptilian' archives) the real golden prize possibly lies in testing the DNA of those that consider themselves 'divine' RE: the global elite. Obviously through their incessant interbreeding they are trying to maintain a specific genetic code (the Reptilian traits).
They're 6,000 people strong(likely not even human) at most, making up atleast 1 to 2% of the worlds population. This interbreeding 'bloodline'/tribe of families have ruled over mankind since the earliest days of Sumeria under the titles of demi-gods and god-kings and they have never gone away! The very concept of 'divine right to rule' is a proclamation of admittance to being of extra-terrestial origin. It's only a matter of time before they publicly admit this. :)

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At first when i heard icke talk about Reptilians i thought it was crazy too and laughed at it, but the more i started to look into to it the less crazy it seemed.


and now after a couple years of looking into it i believe they do exist

you should also look at stewart swerdlow, alex collier and john rhodes information on Reptilians, its very interesting stuff


+1....Phil Schneider and Ron Rummell's short lived 'Alien digest' pamphlets are also incredible sources of information:

http://www.philschneider.org/articles/Alien%20Digest%20vol%201%20of%204%20-%20ocr-v-0.11.pdf

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Is it really that unrealistic that a race would evolve reptilian? mammals and reptiles are the two peaks of evolution on our planet.

http://i.imgur.com/wWLnU.jpg


http://members.ozemail.com.au/~laranzu/atxf/troodon-full.jpeg

It's quite possible that these entities are both terrestial and extra-terrestial, as well as inter-dimensional.

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I'm prepared to accept that there could be an extraterrestrial race of reptillian life-forms; it's entirely conceivable.

But based on the evidence that we have, it's difficult to swallow. David Icke has a propensity to blindly trust people without bothering to verify their claims and seems to revel in making wild accusations against the elite based on conjecture. A lot of the historical evidence he cites is misinterpreted or tenuous and people like Arizona Wilder or Credo Mutwa are utterly disbelievable.

I do think that perhaps we have been manipulated in some way by non-coporeal or non-terrestrial intelligence, but I don't know for sure... all I'd say is that the reptillian thing needs to be taken with a massive pinch of salt.


Show me a picture of Satan (symbolic of the Reptilian race). :)

....Is it just a coincidence that royalty (spanning every corner of the globe) throughout the ages has symbolized itself with the same symbol used to represent the archetype of 'Satan'?
I don't think its by simple happenstance at all.

http://www.apocatastasis.net/Devil/devil.jpghttp://beastsofrevelation.com/images/Revelation_12_3_dragon.jpg
http://www.civicheraldry.co.uk/london_city.JPG


Wilder's claims are supported by other people's testimonies (sworn affidavits in some instances). This add's incredibly to the weight of her accusations. 'Tenous'..hardly. In fact the scope and breadth of these stories detailing the existence of Reptilian entities is breathtakingly extensive going back into history as far as the eye can see in such a manner that Wilders claims only served to bolster the already massive database of information having to do with this seemingly bizarre phenomena that has been with man since his inception.

"There are three types of Jinn [Nephilim/Watchers/Reptilians], one which flies in the air all the time. Another that looks like snakes and dogs and the third move about from place to place like men [hybrids?]"-Hadith

http://www.islamawareness.net/Jinn/jinn1.html

"For they changed themselves unto the shape of men"-Testament of Reuben

http://www.piney.com/DocTstReub.html

"They shall mingle with the seed of men [Nephilim/Watchers/Annunaki/Reptilians/Global elite]"-Daniel 2:43

http://bible.cc/daniel/2-43.htm

"Snakes are the forms of the transmutations of the shape of Jinn [Reptilians]"-Sahih Hadith

http://www.zimbio.com/Islam/articles/8Vvn9vsDC3p/Further+Research+on+Jinns

"Satan will be seen on Earth as a red dragon"-Revelation

http://www.bcholmes.org/wicca/satan.html

From the Dead sea scrolls, Testament of Amram:

I saw [U]’Watchers’ [Nephilim/Annunaki/Reptilians] in my vision... Two beings were fighting over me, saying... and holding a great contest over me. I asked them, ’Who are you, that you are thus empowered over me?’ They answered me, ’We have been empowered and rule over all mankind.’
They said to me, ’Which of us do you choose to rule you?’ I raised my eyes and looked. One of them was terrifying in his appearance, like a serpent, his cloak many-colored yet very dark... And I looked again, and... in his appearance, his visage like a viper..."


http://www.bibliotecapleyades.net/scrolls_deadsea/uncovered/uncovered05.htm#30. Testament Of Amram

From the Jewish Haggadah:

Among the animals, the serpent was most notable. Of all of them, he had the most excellent qualities, in some of which he resembled man. Like man, he stood upright on two feet, and in height, he was equal to the camel. ... His superior mental gifts caused him to become an infidel. It likewise explains his envy of man, especially his conjugal visits. ... In punishment for tempting Eve, God said, 'I created you to be king over the animals ... but you were not satisfied. ... I created you of upright posture ... therefore, you shall go upon your belly.

http://www.chabad.org/holidays/passover/pesach_cdo/aid/1735/jewish/The-Haggadah.htm

From chapter 15, the Book of Enoch.......The descriptions are prophetically accurate and concise in regards to the global elite and today's situation:

The giants [Nephilim/Watchers/Annunaki/Reptilians], who are produced from the spirits and flesh, shall be called evil spirits upon the earth...Evil spirits have proceeded from their bodies; because they are born from men and from the holy Watchers is their beginning and primal origin... And the spirits of the giants afflict, oppress, attack, do battle, and work destruction on the earth...And these spirits shall rise up against the children of men and against the women, because they have proceeded from them...thus shall they destroy until the day of the consummation, the great judgment in which the age shall be consummated over the Watchers and the godless, yea, shall be wholly consummated. And now as to the Watchers... say to them therefore: 'Ye have no peace.'"


http://www.bibliotecapleyades.net/bb/enoch03.htm


Here's a great video for those wanting to learn more about this subject:

(RR) The Antichrist Dajjal Will Be The Chief Demon Hybrid PT 1 - YouTube

[deonamon]

+1....Phil Schneider and Ron Rummell's short lived 'Alien digest' pamphlets are also incredible sources of information:

http://www.philschneider.org/articles/Alien%20Digest%20vol%201%20of%204%20-%20ocr-v-0.11.pdf

awesome, ive seen phils lectures, haven't seen this! thanks :)

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awesome, ive seen phils lectures, haven't seen this! thanks :)


Yeah...Rummel and Schneider crammed some amazing information into these pamphlets in which there were 4 total. Heres the link to Schneiders site, on the front page you can also read the other 3 pamphlets:

http://www.philschneider.org/

[deonamon]

Yeah...Rummel and Schneider crammed some amazing information into these pamphlets in which there were 4 total. Heres the link to Schneiders site, on the front page you can also read the other 3 pamphlets:

http://www.philschneider.org/

Thanks! You have a graham hancock quote too! I like you :)

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It's kind like telling someone who has never heard of electricity about it. It can kill you BUT it's a good thing....It's like fire but it's not hot and it can gives light and it can make machines work...like the lightening in the sky.....oh never mind.

Eventually science will catch up and the "reality box" will get bigger.

+1......The way things are speeding along, it's only a matter of time before they publicly reveal themselves for all to see.

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Dragon Court Annunaki Royalty & the Serpent DNA
The Imperial and Royal Dragon Court & Order was one of several occult-inspired secret societies created by the aristocracies of Europe following the formation of the Catholic Priory of Sion and the Knights Templar in the 12th Century.

During a time of turmoil within the Holy Roman Empire that controlled most of Europe, these exclusive inner courts and more accessible outer orders were designed to unify the power of the aristocratic families under the Holy Roman Emperor, against an increasingly influential Vatican.

The Dragon Sovereignty, also known as the "Rex Deus" fraternity, was created by Catholic Holy Roman Emperor Sigismund and occultist Vlad the Impaler - the historical figure behind the Dracula myths. Following alchemical principles, the order sought to attain mystical powers that they believed to be their birthright, as inheritors of the bloodline of the Holy Grail. Vlad the Impaler was a prominent member of the Holy Roman Emperor’s court, and while the occult pursuits of the Dragon Court were not unusual amongst similar aristocratic brotherhoods, it is of relevance today as one of the longest surviving and most visible of these secret societies. Recent publications from within the order such as Sir Laurence Gardner’s "Genesis of the Grail Kings" outline their detailed beliefs about the evolution of Man. These books describe a belief system similar to that of Madame Blavatsky and her Theosophy movement, which was largely responsible for the esoteric ideas that led to the Jewish Holocaust:

"In practical terms the concept of this unique fraternity can be traced back to the original Grand Assembly of the Annunaki in ancient Mesopotamia".
The aristocratic families of the Dragon Court believe their pure blood makes them the "genetically engineered" and chosen rulers of Man. They believe the natural social order of Humankind is Feudalism rather than Democracy as,
"Incompetent self-seeking, middle-class idiots more often find themselves voted into control of vast social systems".

Much of the European Community recognizes the Dragon Court as an ethnic racial group and Sovereign State, similar to the secret society the Knights of Malta, who incidentally have Permanent Observer status at the United Nations. By its own admission, the order has within its ranks Catholic Bishops, Monsignors, and even a Papal Chaplain - Monsignor Laszlo Esterhazy of the Mariaremete Cathedral in Budapest. Extraordinary claims by ex-Jesuit priest and Vatican insider Malachi Martin may finally get the attention they deserve, albeit after his untimely death in 1999. Martin worked in the inner circles of the Vatican for over twenty years, spoke 17 languages, and wrote many respected scholarly books. However, his final book claimed an occult conspiracy was afoot within the Vatican, and that Satanic rituals were conducted within a Secret Church dedicated to "Lucifer".

The Dragon Court is directly linked to the European Council of Princes - the political body of the European Grail families, who participated in the formation of the New World Order think-tank "The Bilderberg Group". Sir Laurence Gardner is both Chancellor of the Dragon Court and Presidential Attache to the Council of Princes. By their own admission, the Council of Princes was supported by the CIA in their fight against global communism. However, the Princes did not fight communism in order to restore democracy, but in order to reclaim their birthright as natural rulers within a feudal system that caused so much suffering to the Russian people prior to their revolution of 1917.

The Dragon Court primarily concerns itself with Witchcraft and alchemical Vampirism, and considers itself the terrestrial incarnation of the pantheon of the Gods.

It’s function is to do "the will of the Gods" as interpreted by the Court’s hierarchy. Gardner bluntly elaborates in his book "Genesis of the Grail Kings":
"The Mesopotamian (Sumerian) accounts indicate a rampant population problem which had to be curtailed. An ancient Akkadian text states that the people had multiplied beyond any control and were so noisy that Enlil (Annunaki God) could not get any sleep... they were still lacking the key elements of wisdom and a properly regulated society. There was no marital institution and there were no rules governing procreational couples. Until 4000 BC, sexual mating was largely a matter of free will, with a freedom of partners... they were apparently not conditioned to municipal laws and organized social government. The tablets reveal that Enlil had tried to reduce the population by means of selective famines and plagues, but without success. And so the Assembly of the Annunaki elected for a drastic solution that could quickly pave the way to a new beginning. They agreed to flood the Sumerian region in its entirety".

The genocidal impulse of the Gods doesn’t find any difficulty expressing itself in modern times. No doubt the recent spread of AIDS in Africa is also the handiwork of the Assembly of the Annunaki Gods.

Presumably so was the naming of the vast mountain range which covers most of South Africa - the "Drakensberg Mountains".

In a naive attempt to put a human face to the mask that the Dragon Court has worn since its inception, Chancellor Gardner and Sovereign Grand Master Prince Nicholas de Vere von Drakenberg reveal much about their Occult philosophy and belief system. Having been appointed Sovereign Grand Master by the House of Habsburg (former head of the European Council of Princes Prince Otto von Habsburg), De Vere von Drakenberg is attempting to make a case with his website "dragoncourt.org", where he openly discussed the values of the Order - namely Vampirism, Witchcraft and Satanism. His book "From Transylvania to Tunbridge Wells" candidly admits that their forefathers the Knight’s Templar were a "deeply Satanic organization".

This would be of little consequence were it not for the fact that the Knights Templar are also the founding fathers of modern Freemasonry, and the role model for the Ivy League secret society "Skull and Bones" of which past President and CIA director George Bush was a member. President George W. Bush admitted in a Time magazine interview (Aug 7, 2000) that he too is an initiate. When asked to elaborate, he responds "Without revealing all the great secrets?", then adds that his father told him "These same secret societies are behind it all".

Earlier in 2000, Yale’s "Skull and Bones" secret society featured Sir Laurence Gardner as a guest speaker.

Gardner’s historical writings have recently been approved and sanctioned by the British Royal Family’s invitation for him to join the House of Windsor’s "Society of Antiquaries", the oldest antiquarian society in the world that was constituted by King George III. Or maybe it is Gardner’s extensive knowledge of Witchcraft that caught the eye of the "Royal Windsor Coven", as De Vere refers to them in his essays:

"During the late 70’s and early 80’s a series of privately published papers was circulated with material that originated from the Royal Windsor Coven, with damning criticism of so-called initiatory witchcraft, and emphatically asserted that the only genuine valid form of witchcraft was passed down through the blood".

No doubt the rise of right-wing Conservativism in the 1980’s was matched by an equal rise in Occultism and Witchcraft.

Magister Templi (Master Templar) De Vere’s internal wires are clearly crossed as he declares "Evil is good, and good is evil".

His venomous view of Humanity is difficult reading:
"Man is thoroughly stupid and dim-witted... and this condition is genetically inherited. Nurture seems unable to ameliorate what nature has here ordained. Here the idealist might argue that a eugenic solution mediated through genetic engineering could produce a more passive, thoughtful population by weeding out the stupid gene and replacing it".

"Leaders are supposed to be able to function at a faster rate than the followers and thereby anticipate any given direction the system might go in, and plan sensible strategies that the system might adopt for its well-being".

"To any intelligent person, to any true seer, concepts like white or black magic or good or evil are irrational, childish nonsense; both in terms of logic and actual fact".

After proving that Jesus was a "Dragon King of the Grail Bloodlines" and a "descendant of Satan", De Vere pronounces:

"The Black Mass was the original Christian Mass of Jesus which the later Catholics stole and sanitized for public consumption".

De Vere assures us that "technically the crime of murder doesn’t exist", and comes to the defense of "paedophiles and Satanists" claiming the current "FBI and Scotland Yard investigations are undermining the foundation of the Great Western Civilization". The vampiric rituals "MUST be repeated", the internationally recognized Prince demands.

Through his website De Vere von Drakenberg was accepting submissions of blood samples to be DNA tested at a top London facility for purity of stock. If the potential initiate’s blood was shown to be of the authentic bloodlines (and no doubt sufficiently connected politically and economically) they too could join the ranks of the elite aristocracy and become a Vampire. De Vere’s goal is to reunify the old bloodlines and create a new Master Race, and no doubt reclaim their aristocratic authority. The elimination of the sub-races would have to be the next priority, as their evolutionary belief system dictates.

"If the planet is to survive, then social groups must become smaller, and must be ordered by economic necessity, not by the global tyranny of the so-called Democracy of Consumerism... By re-introducing their old social structures and values, the Dragons hope to establish a naturally ordained system of socio-economic interactions between the Dragon (Aryan) people".

This new community of born-again Aryans is unlikely to be picking De Vere’s apple trees, more likely they will be running transnational corporations, sitting on the secretive "Bilderberg Group", or any other high-level political-financial-military body. The aristocrats of Europe are far from impotent, as illustrated by Prince Bernhard of the Netherland’s position as chairman of the "Bilderberg Group" from its inception in 1952 to 1976. His daughter Queen Beatrix regularly attends the Bilderberg meetings, as do other prominent Eurocrats.

While De Vere’s pursuits may sound bizarre, to outsiders the draconian methods of the Nazis and the demonic nature of the Holocaust sounded equally unbelievable at the time it was occurring. In 1919 Germany’s occult "Thule Society" had 1750 members, including industrialists, business men, scientists, aristocrats, military chiefs, judges, and government ministers. Just over a decade later they had funded and created the Nazi Party, with Adolf Hitler as its leader. The sudden rise to power of Austria’s "Freedom Party" headed by neo-Nazi Jorge Haider will almost certainly have connections to the Austro-Hungarian "Sarkeny Rend" inner-council of the Dragon Court. For decades Austria’s Prince Otto von Habsburg has been seeking a restoration of the monarchy in Austria, and undoubtedly the "Freedom Party" is part of the plan. De Vere clearly puts his money where his mouth is, believing Gardner’s earnings from his bestselling book should be,
"invested in organizations whose works are the practical expression of the messages conveyed in the written word"

Stanley Kubrick felt sufficiently motivated to dedicate his final years to exposing the secret occult pursuits of the Power Elite in his movie Eyes Wide Shut. As Sydney Pollack’s character explains to Tom Cruise’s Dr. Bill "If you knew who these people were, you wouldn’t sleep so good at night". The same goes for the seemingly idiosyncratic, yet dangerously influential and ambitious Dragon Court.

Following the publication of Gardner’s "illuminating" book, De Vere’s no-holds-barred website, and the subsequent dismissal of Gardner, the Dragon Court apparently spiraled into schism. The inner council of Sarkeny Rend has side-stepped out-of-the-closet and proud Satanist Grand Master De Vere by appointing quasi-Catholic "scion" Prince Michael Stewart as Grand Protector of a rival order at a ceremony at York Manor, England, which was strangely attended by representatives for Queen Elizabeth II. This move allowed Gardner to remain in the fold, but has seemingly sent a tremor through the Dragon Sovereignty. Concurrently a legal challenge has been made by Scotland’s Cardinal Winning to reverse the British law that bans Catholics from the throne, paving the way for a Stewart restoration. However, De Vere was appointed Grand Master by Austria’s House of Habsburg, also prominent and influential Catholics.

The shadowy world of European secret societies is seemingly as complex as the Gore/Bush November 2000 Presidential race - no doubt its correct outcome, unethically decided by the Supreme Court, was of extreme importance to the Power Elite. The Queen of England’s pre-election October visit to the Vatican, the first in 20 years, followed by the much protested post-election December meeting between Pope John Paul II and neo-Nazi Austrian leader Jorge Haider (another Habsburg minion) was undoubtedly all part of the Master Plan, or Final Battle, for absolute power in the New World Order... or at the very least to allow the back-room boys to consolidate their interests, stay on top of their respective power pyramids, and maintain their grip on the hearts and minds of Western civilization. And the rest, post-World Trade Center disaster, is fast becoming history... if not Armageddon.

As of late 2002, according to the Dragon Court website Prince Nicholas De Vere is currently suffering from acute paranoid schizophrenia.

De Vere, whose main contribution to the order was allegedly adapting rituals "to include the first menstural blood of pre-adolescent girls", has been replaced as his cousin, Baron Sir Richard Dufton, due to De Vere’s condition and his involvement with "Americans who wish to remain anonymous" with possible links to the "Dragon Order side of the Ku Klux Klan." Schizophrenia aside, De Vere is now running his own transnational order in tandem with the anonymous Americans; which means that there are now three Dragon Courts to choose from, depending on your personal leanings, and of course, that you are of the Dragon blood.

However, with their claims that a "child of pure blood was born in the late 1980’s and is being raised by the Jesuits", and that "two children with purer blood are residing in Great Britain", the plot twists are becoming less Shakespearean, and more Hollywood (as in The Omen) by the day.

But don’t take our word for it...

http://www.bibliotecapleyades.net/so...goncourt01.htm

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What gives you the ass to condescendingly say "these people". Because others don't agree with your ideas of 'viable' doesn't make them indoctrinated and programmed. Perhaps you'd be ok with us dismissing you out of hand as just another retard who can't think straight.

Next.

its the way these people have been indoctrinated and programmed into society that makes them dismiss and ridicule any viable thing out there.

Aliens/entities exist, and some of them happen to be lizard-like, so what? what do you find hard to accept here? the only thing that would be blocking you would be ignorance and what "they" have tought you to be real. and "they" do not want the best for you.

that was a bit tough jackdaw. if you mentally re-word what he said it wasn't a put down, he was just saying it as it is.
the programming is designed to make its victims ignorant.
without the programming many of us probably wouldn't have a problem believing some of this alien/reptile stuff.

[noncooperation]

Well tis pretty much like the dangers of "be-lie-fs" (f*k sake! :rolleyes:), in general... :p Especially things like; "Religions / Monotheism" & "infinite consciousness", they're rarely solid undeniable truth, they are systems soo diverse in variation they cannot do anything else but cause division & friction (which in some cases has be proven self-evident) lack of consistency & any sort of consensual "knowing" unfortunately often ends-up being a rather destructive force, just as some 'beliefs' in Reptilians do - considering all degrees of severity. Truth on the other-hand & @ the knowing level does not require anyones particular belief in it to exist, a thing either is or it is-not, it far from malleable to anyones particular belief, especially second-hand beliefs (id-est; "well they tell me that's how it is - some of it makes sense - so I'll just believe it" type of thing), instead truth is constant & universal. The sky isn't recognized as blue because a believe level thinks it so...

Further-more, most pre-conceived notions or bias opinions / beliefs are basically counter-productive, especially those "repeating (add infinitum) beliefs" or programming systems; like a persistent virus spreading & converting through repetitious psychological bombardment. So beliefs are simply not quite enough & shouldn't really be settled for, when the path to absolute knowing of truth is open to everyone - yet it is only the self that can walk-it, it must sprout-up naturally / organically, with-in yourself & NO-ONE else! & again truths always been there, waiting for you; totally regardless of any level of personal belief. It even appears @ times genuine, undeniable 'real-time' Reptilian experiencers seem to not always get to know the absolute truth of it. It also seems 'they' (Reptilian Entities / manifestations) either come across as hauntingly "familiar spirits" - in which case I'd suggest searching / checking ones conscience, then re-choose & move beyond whatever it is (to where it all doesn't matter & simultaneously is really does all matter) - or they don't reflect much "unflattering criticisms" @ all, just the welcomed visiting "Truth Dragons" of all matters, if you will (well personally haven't felt or received any major or harsh 'judgments') - maybe even a friendly sub-conscious connection, that perhaps cames along with being open & comfortable with the "Ultimate Truth", primarily about ones-self.

I reckon there's most likely been same sort of ancient cosmic conflict of views / interests, which possibly directly involved the fate of our species & probably still does. Although it wouldn't surprise me in the least if all conflict has long been resolved & 'secretly' they're all relatively on the same side, all watching-in, observing developments & the only real challenge / adversary out there is naught but the self, the individual, the "inner-work" et-cetera, yet with implications on a collective scale. If we, as a whole race, are able to prove to become what is considered a harmonious / peaceful & loving species, in what - like it or not - is a rather vast galactic community, then there just might be some hope. Unfortunately the status-quo @ the moment is predominately adverse to The Law & golden rule, we are truly our own worst nemesis & many are utterly & helplessly in conscious denial of it, it's usually all some external influence or malevolent controller, anything but the self. On some level we all know "the way", yet many choose differently through fear & destructive sub-conscious projection - which is fine for a while, yet sooner or later we must realize that Reptilians or any other advanced race of beings aren't really out to get us - considering that hate / fear & negative intentions ultimately & inevitably are self-destructive & by nature of these proprieties cannot ever evolve or develop to any unrestrained spheres of influence - yet until then it sometimes seems more appropriate to hope we don't get exactly what we deserve. Basically, there's a minority of fake usurpers & charlatans posing as rulers while simultaneously & non-constructively imposing their beliefs on others & the rest are pretty much a mass of complacence &/or brain-washed zombies... :D Seriously tho, it ain't looking too good @ the moment, in general... But hey! I also reckon there's technology 'out there' capable of fully modifying / controlling global weather systems & near rendering obsolete big-oil & much of electricity utilities etc... - yet here we are...

Bout the best anyone can do is earnestly continue seeking the knowing of truth & not so much beliefs. Keep beliefs as substantial as possible & use unbiased logic, also practicality / common sense should also apply. Just don't get caught-up in letting beliefs rule over you or anyone else (where feasible). Make truth your friend & quiet companion, be open & comfortable with all truth as it comes to you, there is always more of it to realize & you'll know when you've got it, because ye shall be set free! :)

Don't want to be rude but without spending an hour on your post it doesn't really make any sense just reading it through.

[noncooperation]

Just want to mention Michael Tsarion has done some good work (DVD's & book) on ancient history, civilisations & aliens etc..
very clearly presented and methodical.
i personally learnt a lot about ancient history (& more) from Tsarion.

[deonamon]

Just want to mention Michael Tsarion has done some good work (DVD's & book) on ancient history, civilisations & aliens etc..
very clearly presented and methodical.
i personally learnt a lot about ancient history (& more) from Tsarion.

Tsarion supports Aleister Crowley, an Illuminati disinfo agent and scum bag. Tsarion is disinfo too, sorry.

Michael Tsarion on Aleister Crowley and Christianity - YouTube

Look how hard he tries to defend that scum bag.

http://www.impiousdigest.com/aleister-crowley.jpg

I suggest Graham Hancock if you are interested in ancient history. Hes a good guy, with tons of great information, and he doesn't support the Illuminati.

[marpat]

Maybe you should read a few of his books and see the reasoning behind the concept :D

Yeah, spend some money before making any decisions based on his material on the internet

[size_of_light]

Watched few shows from David Icke, seemed very interesting until he began to speak about lizard people mind controlling the ruling class...How do you even come up with this? I was all like lolwtf?! Even Space Elf that lives in my attic finds it hard to believe in...

The mindset that stubbornly rejects the possibility out of hand is much more fascinating (and terrifying) to me than the actual idea that there are shapeshifting humanoids on earth.

Imagine you and your buddies had the ability to transform yourselves into cows: it'd be pretty easy to live amongst the herd and manipulate it undetected for an indefinite period of time, wouldn't it?

Surprise surprise! ancient texts all around the world describe the existence of shapeshifting 'gods' that do exactly that.

Draw your own conclusions from there.

[neutral]

i say do your own research, it's easy to ignore things when your mind locked up in this world, go out and look, if you look closely you find clues that lead's you to new clues, and so on, but at least you will see more and your brain would react differently to new things. ;)

[guuna]

Yeah, spend some money before making any decisions based on his material on the internet

well, you can get them out on loan from the library, you don't need to spend any money.

[noncooperation]

Tsarion supports Aleister Crowley, an Illuminati disinfo agent and scum bag. Tsarion is disinfo too, sorry.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=GBS_2CPBXEALook how hard he tries to defend that scum bag.

I suggest Graham Hancock if you are interested in ancient history. Hes a good guy, with tons of great information, and he doesn't support the Illuminati.

i think what you are doing to help wake up some of the sheeple is honourable but I think you are jumping to conclusions here. A lot of people fall into this trap.
Many people have jumped onto this video clip (above) to try & discredit Tsarion.
Tsarion admires Crowley's knowledge of witchcraft and magick. He is not defending 'the person' Alister Crowley. Just because Crowley was profoundly sick doesn't mean he wasn't a genius.
Crowley was head hunted by the illuminati because of his valuable knowledge (and probably also because he was mentally ill & liked blood etc.).

You wouldn't have a chance justifying, "Tsarion is dis-info too".
I have watched every presentation Tsarion has ever made and read his Atlantis book more than once. Tsarion is a serious researcher & historian (also extremely proficient in the occult disciplines). If his work is dis-info then most of the other alternative historians must also be dis-info (including Hancock) & that simply is not the case.

I already know Hancocks work (your not talking to a newbie here you know), he's very good, but doesn't go into many of the 'sensitive' areas that other alternative historians do (and he has connections to the BBC . . .). Do you know Hancock personally? How do you know he doesn't support the illuminati?

There is a lot of money & resources behind the illuminate and they have a lot invested in their 'plan' to dominate the world. They don't like people like Tsarion because he is clear, calm, intelligent, tells the truth (as he sees it) and he also fully understands all the occult disciplines.

It take thousands of hours to go through just some of the material out there, people shouldn't jump to conclusions before doing enough homework.
All the best

[merlincove]

Yeah, spend some money before making any decisions based on his material on the internet

well, you can get them out on loan from the library, you don't need to spend any money.

yeah, what he said ^

:D

[zsymon]

Actually, I find David Icke's theories about Reptilians easy to believe,
although I do not agree with everything he says about them. My mentor
taught me about how a humanoid reptilian species evolved into a highly
intelligent race, millions of years ago, and still lives on Earth to this day,
though mostly covertly and underground.. this seems to match mostly
with some of David Icke's theories and claims.

However, many things that David Icke claims, just don't feel right with
me at all. His claims that the Moon is an artificial planetoid from which
an alien race controls humanity in some kind of holomatrix like in the
movies, doesn't fit with any of my experiences with aliens, nor with
anything I have been taught by my mentor.. who has always been right
so far, with everything she predicted and with everything she told me
about myself and about the world.

I know that the Moon is a living, breathing being, even though she seems
dead and barren, she is still alive, and might carry life again in the future,
as she has done in the past.. She has a profound effect on the tides, on
nature and on our lives, she is certainly NOT an artificial alien base,
nor do we live in a hologram or false matrix. Sure we live in a web of lies,
but the Earth and our experiences on it, are very real, they are not some
kind of technological virtual reality.

His claims about the Moon are countered by everything science has discovered
about the Moon and its effect on the solar system and on the Earth. It is
scientifically impossible for the Moon to be an artificial planetoid.

Many of the other things he has said, do not sit right with my experiences,
are often completely opposite to my personal experiences, and do not match
with anything I have learned.

But I realize than David Icke is not a god, he is not omniscient, he is just
a seeker of the truth like I am, I can't expect him to know the truth about
everything. It is just sad that some people believe everything and anything
he says, even though he himself has warned people not to blindly believe
everything he says and writes.

[shiftready]

Watched few shows from David Icke, seemed very interesting until he began to speak about lizard people mind controlling the ruling class...How do you even come up with this? I was all like lolwtf?! Even Space Elf that lives in my attic finds it hard to believe in...


i think its funny how people will take the time to find sites like this and register if they think its all a joke. why bother?... because you types are only reaffirming the truth!

[quetzalcoatl]

Don't want to be rude but without spending an hour on your post it doesn't really make any sense just reading it through.

Right... nice of ya to mention, pffft! :rolleyes: - roll on teh trollin... :D

Such Ignorance! Such arrogance! Muahahah!

Aye, Tsarion ya say? I resonate with dat shite man... Not so sure bout some of the Irish Origins & mass exodus(s) in a easterly direction stuff, yet tis possible. Alot of his Atonism / Egyptian & Akhenaten / Moses stuff makes alot of sense. Reckon his psychological models etc are truly quite brilliant & generally agree with the Blavatsky interpretations of the Serpent / Reptilians stuff.

Yeh! don't even waste ya time buddy... Once in a while this site goes quite sluggish, even un-responsive - I juz piss off for a while & came back later & works fine. :) & ya know, who can really be bothered eh?? :p

[quetzalcoatl]

Actually, I find David Icke's theories about Reptilians easy to believe,
although I do not agree with everything he says about them. My mentor
taught me about how a humanoid reptilian species evolved into a highly
intelligent race, millions of years ago, and still lives on Earth to this day,
though mostly covertly and underground.. this seems to match mostly
with some of David Icke's theories and claims.

However, many things that David Icke claims, just don't feel right with
me at all. His claims that the Moon is an artificial planetoid from which
an alien race controls humanity in some kind of holomatrix like in the
movies, doesn't fit with any of my experiences with aliens, nor with
anything I have been taught by my mentor.. who has always been right
so far, with everything she predicted and with everything she told me
about myself and about the world.

I know that the Moon is a living, breathing being, even though she seems
dead and barren, she is still alive, and might carry life again in the future,
as she has done in the past.. She has a profound effect on the tides, on
nature and on our lives, she is certainly NOT an artificial alien base,
nor do we live in a hologram or false matrix. Sure we live in a web of lies,
but the Earth and our experiences on it, are very real, they are not some
kind of technological virtual reality.

His claims about the Moon are countered by everything science has discovered
about the Moon and its effect on the solar system and on the Earth. It is
scientifically impossible for the Moon to be an artificial planetoid.

Many of the other things he has said, do not sit right with my experiences,
are often completely opposite to my personal experiences, and do not match
with anything I have learned.

But I realize than David Icke is not a god, he is not omniscient, he is just
a seeker of the truth like I am, I can't expect him to know the truth about
everything. It is just sad that some people believe everything and anything
he says, even though he himself has warned people not to blindly believe
everything he says and writes.

Good post, I tend to agree.

Juz caught-up with this earlier interview; http://www.youtube.com/user/PrometheanReach#p/c/23CEAA8CCD7FA034/0/SMjCd3sh-Es

Must confess was half hoping Icke would burst into a long-winded critique of the movie Conspiracy Theory... :D

http://www.youtube.com/user/PrometheanReach#p/c/23CEAA8CCD7FA034/6/XQ8L-wzNdkg

The Police Walking on the Moon - YouTube

Ya kno tis all good. :)

[subl1minal]

I tell you, after reading The Biggest Secret and Human Race Get Off Your Knees, I'd be very surprised if Reptilians didn't exist. I think it's a fact that they exist because how can we rule out any other life in the Universe? The place is bursting with it.

When you think of how we've all been conditioned and taught since birth through the left-brain. It's all we come to know, then taking the leap from left brain to right brain and then using both, takes a while. But once you see the evidence for yourself..well, it's exciting I think.

[huyi]

-The new religion. "if you believe".

http://video.google.com/videoplay?docid=-2912878405399014351#

why would david say that he is the son of god? that is taking it too far, yeah he is a messenger from god a image of god, but not the son of god, david talks about false images but he is making himself to be a symbol of worship, no wonder why people laughed at him and ridiculed him, i still read everything with a open mind, the evidence is more than enough to support that but it's the fact that he was calling himself the son of god.

[pound]

why would david say that he is the son of god? that is taking it too far, yeah he is a messenger from god a image of god, but not the son of god, david talks about false images but he is making himself to be a symbol of worship, no wonder why people laughed at him and ridiculed him, i still read everything with a open mind, the evidence is more than enough to support that but it's the fact that he was calling himself the son of god.


"Son of god"= Reference to infinite consciousness

[camreeno]

I suggest reading one of his books. You can't just conclude he's speaking nonsense by a few minutes of talking on Youtube. If we were in the Middle Ages and watched a Youtube video explaining the round earth theory, don't you think it would take more than a few minutes to convince an audience of steadfast believers in a flat earth?

You wouldn't hypothetically be able to digest something like that so quickly, so don't use the weirdness of it as some criterion to its validity. And this applies to all arguments - not just the reptilian thing.

[huyi]

I suggest reading one of his books. You can't just conclude he's speaking nonsense by a few minutes of talking on Youtube. If we were in the Middle Ages and watched a Youtube video explaining the round earth theory, don't you think it would take more than a few minutes to convince an audience of steadfast believers in a flat earth?

You wouldn't hypothetically be able to digest something like that so quickly, so don't use the weirdness of it as some criterion to its validity. And this applies to all arguments - not just the reptilian thing.

also it didn't help that the whole video was about him being ridiculed, the camera man was even on it! who side was he on? Davids or the other guys who threw those pies?

[loveoverhate]

Watched few shows from David Icke, seemed very interesting until he began to speak about lizard people mind controlling the ruling class...How do you even come up with this? I was all like lolwtf?! Even Space Elf that lives in my attic finds it hard to believe in...

I would have totally agreed with you if I hadn't seen one myself when I was a young child. I wouldn't call them "lizard people" though LOL even though that's precisely what it looked like. I call them demons. Face it, life continues beyond the 5-sense physical dimension.

[quetzalcoatl]

I would have totally agreed with you if I hadn't seen one myself when I was a young child. I wouldn't call them "lizard people" though LOL even though that's precisely what it looked like. I call them demons. Face it, life continues beyond the 5-sense physical dimension.

Demons ya say??? fair nuff. What did they do / say to you???

[quetzalcoatl]

I've heard that the pagan origin of the crowed party-hat was implemented as a type of device which could hopefully "fool the devil" into thinking they are one of them, or something... :rolleyes: - tis funny how we haven't really evolved on that much...

*waits for the inquisition* :p

[justin_pushka]

I tell you, after reading The Biggest Secret and Human Race Get Off Your Knees, I'd be very surprised if Reptilians didn't exist. I think it's a fact that they exist because how can we rule out any other life in the Universe? The place is bursting with it.

When you think of how we've all been conditioned and taught since birth through the left-brain. It's all we come to know, then taking the leap from left brain to right brain and then using both, takes a while. But once you see the evidence for yourself..well, it's exciting I think.

+1

[loveoverhate]

Demons ya say??? fair nuff. What did they do / say to you???


Nothing. It just stared at me examining my psyche with a nefarious grin on its face. I stared back for a few seconds feeling nothing but intrigue and awe. I think my lack of fear drove it away. I never saw anything like it again, although I have been faced with performing exorcisms on invisible entities.

[lyricusmagna]

Watched few shows from David Icke, seemed very interesting until he began to speak about lizard people mind controlling the ruling class...How do you even come up with this? I was all like lolwtf?! Even Space Elf that lives in my attic finds it hard to believe in...

If you bothered to read his material you would see that he is talking about an alien civilization. Who just so happens, to possess a few traits that it has in common with a kingdom of animals here on Earth that we have termed reptilians. This doesn't make the aliens also reptilian, but the term Reptilians (with a capital R) and/or Reptoids is used in order to define them, because they don't seem to be the only alien race visiting here. Do you get it now? Or do I need to simplify it for you?

I'm russian, not british :).

Im not asking to give me your truth, i just want to know what sort of revelation did you come across to make you believe in this?

I have had contact per example :rolleyes:.

I'm prepared to accept that there could be an extraterrestrial race of reptillian life-forms; it's entirely conceivable.

They are not reptilian life-forms. The Alpha Draconians are hydrogen-based creatures. Reptilian lifeforms are carbon-based lifeforms not hydrogen, last time I checked.

Yes, they are extraterrestrial, but they are not crocodiles on two legs.

[quetzalcoatl]

Nothing. It just stared at me examining my psyche with a nefarious grin on its face. I stared back for a few seconds feeling nothing but intrigue and awe. I think my lack of fear drove it away. I never saw anything like it again, although I have been faced with performing exorcisms on invisible entities.

Riiiight...

Well, that hardly sounds very demonic to me, in the conventional sense of the word. Is that perhaps a superficial judgment based on external / cosmetic appearances??? - tis not any of ya's fault tho, the programming is quite compelling...

How'd ya exorcisms work out??

[loveoverhate]

Technically you could be right. Maybe it was a man or woman dressed up as a lizard.
A sophisticated body-suit that allowed for the change in facial expressions.
Maybe Hollywood decided to pay me a one-time visit back in the early 80s.

I like your choice of user-names. Great deity with "Christ"-like qualities.
Are you familiar with his nemesis Tezcatlipoca?...your avatar could be a nice representation
of him. Interesting juxtaposition you display.

And your right, the conditioning goes deep...even for some of those who
accuse others of being programmed.

My exorcisms concluded with my success. Thank you for your GENUINE concern.

[quetzalcoatl]

Technically you could be right. Maybe it was a man or woman dressed up as a lizard.
A sophisticated body-suit that allowed for the change in facial expressions.
Maybe Hollywood decided to pay me a one-time visit back in the early 80s.

I like your choice of user-names. Great deity with "Christ"-like qualities.
Are you familiar with his nemesis Tezcatlipoca?...your avatar could be a nice representation
of him. Interesting juxtaposition you display.

And your right, the conditioning goes deep...even for some of those who
accuse others of being programmed.

My exorcisms concluded with my success. Thank you for your GENUINE concern.

I you fuckin serious?? - fuckin' eh! :rolleyes:

Okay, so here's where you dodge my questions & pivot the emphasis around on me... nay, even stray completely off-topic & try 'personal' &/or character / avatar 'attacks'... - I dun fuckin' think so! :p

Why am I programmed?? - this'll be good! :rolleyes: My angle on this (for clarity) is the system imposes it's beliefs & conditions on the general populace for purposes of fear / control etc.. & the external manifestation is things like people go around making judgments on things they don't really understand - like programmed repeaters - "oh it's demons" or they are "fallen entities" (which the true meaning "Nephilim" simply means "those who from the heavens / skies came down" - or juz "those who came down", is another prime example. Not meaning to cause offense, or single you out or pick on ya...

Is it so hard to imagine that all the main religions are distortions & corruptions??? how did "Elohim" ever translate to 'monotheism'?? etc etc...

Well I wasn't initially "genuinely concerned" in the least, as you put it - why, should I be?? :confused: hence why I am asking... Tis got me slightly concerned now (for some reason... :p), to be frank, so since you brought it up, WTF went down?? :eek:

[quetzalcoatl]

My exorcisms concluded with my success.

Oh okay, guess that sorta clears that up. How was it determined a success?? - as-in; what exactly happened, like??? :confused:

[branko]

Reality is what you allow your mind to see.

It could be possible that our souls are holograms beamed down into rocklife bodies. We all have a reptilian part of our minds. They have recently found that dinosaurs were shapeshifters.

If you believe in quantum physics, then anything is possible.


What did you say about dinosaurs? Do you have link?

[spoons]

... Silurians and Sea Devils :D
Or perhaps Count Scarleione... one of the fractured forms of Skaroth of the Jaggeroth :D

Or the original Cylons?

The existence of Lizardmen is no more or less crazy than the idea of Demons, Angels and Gods and a guy with long hair who was the son of god roughly two thousand years ago. Both have written and aural records and accounts, with one major difference: Accounts of aliens are, I think highly sought after so they ca be destroyed :D

In short, I personally don't have a clue as to the likelihood of their being real or not, but given the size of the universe (and that's just THIS one - M-Theory: love it :)) and and all of our myths could easily be true.

[camreeno]

also it didn't help that the whole video was about him being ridiculed, the camera man was even on it! who side was he on? Davids or the other guys who threw those pies?I assumed he was with the pie-throwers, as he said "how can you come up with this?". (if that's what he said in the first post)

[loveoverhate]

You're apparently smart enough to possess some of the truth...."Quetzalcoatl", but your "energy" is frazzled, almost like shooting out sparks from a muffler dragging down a highway.

You're totally right about religion and conditioning. What you don't seem to understand is the reality of spirituality and spirit independent of religion. There's more to reality than just the 5 physical senses. In fact the stuff that's beyond the 5 senses are most of what really matters. They are why we have chosen to incarnate.

And I avoided nothing you raised. It's you who ignored some of the things I brought up, such as your displayed juxtaposition. It's ok though.

About how I was able to determine how the ceremonies ended...that's my own personal business and nothing you would believe or try to understand anyway. You are already set in your ways.

[quetzalcoatl]

You're apparently smart enough to possess some of the truth...."Quetzalcoatl", but your "energy" is frazzled, almost like shooting out sparks from a muffler dragging down a highway.

You're totally right about religion and conditioning. What you don't seem to understand is the reality of spirituality and spirit independent of religion. There's more to reality than just the 5 physical senses. In fact the stuff that's beyond the 5 senses are most of what really matters. They are why we have chosen to incarnate.

And I avoided nothing you raised. It's you who ignored some of the things I brought up, such as your displayed juxtaposition. It's ok though.

About how I was able to determine how the ceremonies ended...that's my own personal business and nothing you would believe or try to understand anyway. You are already set in your ways.

Wow... don't get a knickers in a twist over a couple of questions, when your done judging me, perhaps you can tell me why?? why you think I am 'programmed', why is my energy frazzled & why you think I don't seem to understand anything beyond the 5 sense??

Shall I troll in defense?? shall I go into your frustrated, judgmental energy?? & the probability of why you do this?? :p

Well I'll ask again; that hardly sounds very demonic to me, in the conventional sense of the word. Is that perhaps a superficial judgment based on external / cosmetic appearances???

Ya see alot of people bring things-up & offer only vague explanations of things like "I was charged with expelling invisible entities" (juz a current, valid example :p) or whatever, yet when 'pressed' (or simply juz asked for further elaboration) they fizzle-out into fits of boarder-line abusive &/or personal attacks...

I don't know that they fuck ya on about my "juxtaposition" complex or whatever it is, could you explain further or show me the errors of my ways by any chance??

Ya know... alot of people talking, yet no-ones really saying anything... ;)

Is this the behavior of a bona-fide exorcist / healer??? - I think not! :p & while we're playing the judgment game :rolleyes: not much "love-over-hate" there either! :p Which of-course brings me no satisfaction wot-so-eva.... :(

Either-way, this is rather tedious... - so good luck! :D

[lyricusmagna]

... Silurians and sea devils :d
or perhaps count scarleione... One of the fractured forms of skaroth of the jaggeroth :d

or the original cylons?

The existence of lizardmen is no more or less crazy than the idea of demons, angels and gods and a guy with long hair who was the son of god roughly two thousand years ago. Both have written and aural records and accounts, with one major difference: Accounts of aliens are, i think highly sought after so they ca be destroyed :d

and i repeat:

if you bothered to read his material you would see that he is talking about an alien civilization. Who just so happens, to possess a few traits that it has in common with a kingdom of animals here on earth that we have termed reptilians. This doesn't make the aliens also reptilian, but the term reptilians (with a capital r) and/or reptoids is used in order to define them, because they don't seem to be the only alien race visiting here.

So they are not reptilian life-forms. The alpha draconians are hydrogen-based creatures. Reptilian lifeforms are carbon-based lifeforms not hydrogen, last time i checked.

Yes, they are extraterrestrial, but they are not crocodiles on two legs.

[triad]

I agree that, seriously, it can be difficult to get it as true. BUT I found a scary
help on a book called L' eletta del dragone.

* Author: Bersone Clotilde

* Editor: Segno

* ISBN: 9788872826942

It gives some accounts on apparitions on masonic lodges in human AND reptilian
forms - these satanists/masons were french form the XVIII Century.

[loveoverhate]

Wow... don't get a knickers in a twist over a couple of questions, when your done judging me, perhaps you can tell me why?? why you think I am 'programmed', why is my energy frazzled & why you think I don't seem to understand anything beyond the 5 sense??

Shall I troll in defense?? shall I go into your frustrated, judgmental energy?? & the probability of why you do this?? :p

Well I'll ask again; that hardly sounds very demonic to me, in the conventional sense of the word. Is that perhaps a superficial judgment based on external / cosmetic appearances???

Ya see alot of people bring things-up & offer only vague explanations of things like "I was charged with expelling invisible entities" (juz a current, valid example :p) or whatever, yet when 'pressed' (or simply juz asked for further elaboration) they fizzle-out into fits of boarder-line abusive &/or personal attacks...

I don't know that they fuck ya on about my "juxtaposition" complex or whatever it is, could you explain further or show me the errors of my ways by any chance??

Ya know... alot of people talking, yet no-ones really saying anything... ;)

Is this the behavior of a bona-fide exorcist / healer??? - I think not! :p & while we're playing the judgment game :rolleyes: not much "love-over-hate" there either! :p Which of-course brings me no satisfaction wot-so-eva.... :(

Either-way, this is rather tedious... - so good luck! :D


The love over hate thing is a goal, my man. Never said I'm able to live up to it every single moment of my life, but I try. If you want me to answer your questions succinctly, you need to ask concisely because your questions are confusing and your energy is like a jack-hammer, but you don't seem like a bad guy. The "juxtaposition" thing is about your screen name versus your avatar-image. Quetzalcoatl was known to be a being of Light and yet your picture sparks images of anything but. Why doesn't your image reflect your screen name is all I was saying.

Then you say "that hardly sounds demonic in the conventional sense". What is conventional? Halloween masks? I don't get what you're saying about that. Demons can take on any form they want, even images of angels. The one I saw when I was a kid LOOKED like a lizard-man, but I don't really know exactly what it was. The ones I exorcised recently were totally invisible.

[spoons]

My point being, although oozing with sarcasm, that in this large universe it is very likely that such things do exist.

[tetra]

To think we are alone in this entire universe is pretty selfish. This galaxy is one of the millions that exists in the universe.

[loveoverhate]

To think we are alone in this entire universe is pretty selfish. This galaxy is one of the millions that exists in the universe.


That's the bottom line.

[snakesnladders]

i dont believe him just because he says it. i know he's right about vertical pupils because, well, its 'in the family' and i have seen it. i have also had an extremely scary and bizarre experience; what happened exactly i still dont know. maybe i witnessed this shapeshift thing, or heard it rather.

but based on my actual research, the species i've come up with - or one of them - that seems to be heavily involved with this planet, actually seems to be a race of alien vampires, rather than reptiles. Vampires shapeshift btw.

Here is some evidence:

*ancient statues of gods with fangs in the archaeological park at st augustin colombia
*vampire lore and legends in ALL cultures - e.g. rakshasas of india.
*ancient religions obsessions with blood and human sacrifice - even the christian religion and mass
*tribal and indigenous people from many parts of the world, africa, asia, sth america, central america, etc, all modified their teeth by carving them into sharp points or by inserting fake fangs
*people still love to dress up at halloween wiht fake fangs today
*belief in demons and devils in all cultures - funnily enough these are depicted iwth fangs
*vampires are thought to have strange powers - to shapeshift, possess people, etc - think dracula morphing into a wolf
*ancient greek gods could shapeshift into diff animals - e.g. zeus turning into an eagle, swan, bull, to seduce various people
*chupacubras mutiliations involve two fang mark bites and a carcass drained of blood - are chupacubs really just vampires, as they are thought to be by some locals?
*cattle mute carcasses are all exsanguinated - drained of blood- something likes blood or needs it
*vampires in the news: woman in colorado i think recently who claims she saw a vampire then backed her car into a ditch out of fear; the recent plague of vampire sitings in africa where an aid group was accused of stealing blood/being affiliated iwht vampires and some people were killed
*am indian legends of skinwalkers - which sound a lot like this shapeshifting alien - they can turn into wolves
*indian and asian depictions of fanged demons have snakes or cobras over their heads, just like the cobras on the heads of the rulers in egypt
*we all know the association of the snake and dragon with ancient and modern religions - the symbology is everywhere. Is this just vampire symbology? or is there also a reptile link?
*dracula - son of the dragon - vlad's father was in the order of the dragon wasn't he?
*drak yul - land of the dragon - bhutan; the chinese obsession with the dragon [- plenty of fanged demons there too - and in bhutan - on the doors of religions buildings etc.
*central american 'gods' could shapeshift into jaguars, and are sometimes depicted with clawed feet - maybe some were these reptilians; maybe some were vampires? also they had a strong need for human blood and sacrifice
*the 'gods' were called from the underworld in ceremonies when nobles mutilated themselves to draw blood
*do you really want me to go on?

[snakesnladders]

maybe twilight aint so far off the mark?

*let's go on:
*skull and bones society in america - rich people who control things are entered
*initiation cermony involving sitting in a coffin and drinking blood - no surprise?
*skull and bones arrangement like on pirate ship flags - rich families were pirates i have heard
*arranging the bones of a grave in the shape of a skull and crossbones in teh usa was thought to ward off vampires
*check out baccardi's buildling wiht the hell flames on the roof and the bat logo on their drinks.
*masonic and illuminati allegience to 'secret master's; also hitler's secret allegience and instructions taken from 'supermen' who lived in the earth
*stories of the 'underworld' from ancient greece where some of the gods lived - traditionally called 'hell' where 'demons and devils' live -... or vampires?
*vampires hate the sun - so why are ancient egyptian temples so dark? same as greek temples and the 'holy of the holies' where the 'god' lived was always pitch black
*dont gothic cathedrals just look vampirish to you?
*maybe i shud stop now; altho i could go on.

[guuna]

i dont believe him just because he says it. i know he's right about vertical pupils because, well, its 'in the family' and i have seen it. i have also had an extremely scary and bizarre experience; what happened exactly i still dont know. maybe i witnessed this shapeshift thing, or heard it rather.

but based on my actual research, the species i've come up with - or one of them - that seems to be heavily involved with this planet, actually seems to be a race of alien vampires, rather than reptiles. Vampires shapeshift btw.

Here is some evidence:

*ancient statues of gods with fangs in the archaeological park at st augustin colombia
*vampire lore and legends in ALL cultures - e.g. rakshasas of india.
*ancient religions obsessions with blood and human sacrifice - even the christian religion and mass
*tribal and indigenous people from many parts of the world, africa, asia, sth america, central america, etc, all modified their teeth by carving them into sharp points or by inserting fake fangs
*people still love to dress up at halloween wiht fake fangs today
*belief in demons and devils in all cultures - funnily enough these are depicted iwth fangs
*vampires are thought to have strange powers - to shapeshift, possess people, etc - think dracula morphing into a wolf
*ancient greek gods could shapeshift into diff animals - e.g. zeus turning into an eagle, swan, bull, to seduce various people
*chupacubras mutiliations involve two fang mark bites and a carcass drained of blood - are chupacubs really just vampires, as they are thought to be by some locals?
*cattle mute carcasses are all exsanguinated - drained of blood- something likes blood or needs it
*vampires in the news: woman in colorado i think recently who claims she saw a vampire then backed her car into a ditch out of fear; the recent plague of vampire sitings in africa where an aid group was accused of stealing blood/being affiliated iwht vampires and some people were killed
*am indian legends of skinwalkers - which sound a lot like this shapeshifting alien - they can turn into wolves
*indian and asian depictions of fanged demons have snakes or cobras over their heads, just like the cobras on the heads of the rulers in egypt
*we all know the association of the snake and dragon with ancient and modern religions - the symbology is everywhere. Is this just vampire symbology? or is there also a reptile link?
*dracula - son of the dragon - vlad's father was in the order of the dragon wasn't he?
*drak yul - land of the dragon - bhutan; the chinese obsession with the dragon [- plenty of fanged demons there too - and in bhutan - on the doors of religions buildings etc.
*central american 'gods' could shapeshift into jaguars, and are sometimes depicted with clawed feet - maybe some were these reptilians; maybe some were vampires? also they had a strong need for human blood and sacrifice
*the 'gods' were called from the underworld in ceremonies when nobles mutilated themselves to draw blood
*do you really want me to go on?

a good movie on the whole topic was LifeForce (aka Space Vampires)

[lyricusmagna]

Vampires = Illuminati?

and vice versa?

Ritualistic, egoistic, arrogant, dominant, hostile, manipulative, look human-yet are not, always control humanity behind the scenes, belong to royalty, feed on blood/flesh/sometimes energy.

Also, in stories, vampires are always hunted by the church, usually by priests or holy men.

The Illuminati were also (allegedly) exterminated by the Vatican Church 200 years ago.

Hmmm, too many parallels to be a coincidence ... :confused: