Rapid Spiritual Awakening.

[zsymon]

I will tell you in short, how simple it is to get on a good, solid path of real
spirituality, I will not quote anyone, and I will not provide you with links to
any videos or books or texts of any kind. I promise you, what I am about
to tell you, WORKS.. and it works for everyone on this planet, everyone
that has love, compassion and forgiveness in their hearts. This works for
anyone, even if they have no psychic abilities at all, even if they are totally
and utterly insensitive to spiritual energies. The reason this works now is
because of massive global healing that has been occuring in the past few
months.

No Spiritual Books:

Caution with Books:
1) Many people believe that all the how to do books about spirituality are the
answer to their awakening, and to their remembering of who they are. But
you have to realize that there are a vast amount of psychics and mediums
that are in contact with alien gods, and astral beings such as archangels and
even demonic entities, writing books about spirituality. Many of these books
are designed to mislead those who seek spiritual awakening, as awakening is
what they fear most. If we remember who we are, then they lose all power
over us, and that is why there are thousands of books, the vast majority of
all books, who are texts that mix Light truth with lies, often speaking about
a hierarchy, even though hierarchy, title and status does not exist in Light.
That is why I caution you, when you are serious about your awakening and
about your intention to remember who you truly are, to focus more on the
knowledge from inside, than knowledge from outside, such as from books and
channelings, from mediums and psychics. The Light asks us to connect with
our own truth, to learn to have our heart speak louder than our mind, so we
do no longer depend on outside knowledge, but can find out the truth all by
ourselves, without depending on anyone who claims to know absolute truth.

Dream Journal:
2) Make a dream journal, a folder on your computer, write down your dreams
and think about each part of each dream, until your heart tells you what the
part means. Do this with each part of a dream, do not try to connect them
all the time, just think about what each part is trying to tell you. Do not use
any books on dream symbolism of any kind, simply keep rereading your written
down dreams, until your heart tells you the meaning of each part. Everyone
is able to do this succesfully. Some have to reread five times, others twenty
times, but everyone will realize what the meaning or the message is. This
method will give you great learning about the your future spiritual path, and
as I said, it works for everyone. This connection to dream messages will serve
to open you up for more direct messages from the spirit world.

Block Release:
3) If you can, find someone, a healer that does not charge you a dime, to
have your past life blocks removed. These blocks have been gathered through
out your many past incarnations, and they serve to hold you from spiritually
developing, they cause illnesses, diseases, cancer and birth deformations.
Find someone that is offering past life block release, and ask them to get rid
of all your blocks, some people have hundreds of blocks, others have 3000
blocks, such as I had. If you cannot find a healer to have your blocks done,
then I will be happy to provide you with one. Like I said, these healers do
their work free of charge, from any distance, and they do not need any info
about yourself or photos, you can even use a fake name. Anyone that tries
to charge you, is a fake healer. As those with real connections to the Light,
are told by their guides to never, ever charge for their services.

Listen with your Heart:
4) Learn to listen to your heart, when your heart tellls you that something
does not feel right, then it is not good, when your heart makes you pull into
a direction, then follow that direction. This step is crucial because it asks of
you to have FAITH in your heart, have FAITH in the Light, and trust your
own amazing abilities. With this ability you are actually able to look into the
future and see what comes, simply by thinking about the future and listening
to your heart. You will not get substantial messages yet, just feelings about
what is right, and what is wrong. Do not doubt your ability, trust in yourself,
this is not something you need to practice, you can already do this, you just
have to trust in your ability, and you will be able to use it.

Clear Answers:
5) Find a way to get clear yes or no answers from the Light, from your spirit
guides or from the Divine Parents, Divine Father Spirit and Divine Mother Earth
in other words. Not everyone has guides, so if you feel you don't have any,
then seek the guidance of Mother Earth, or both Divine Parents. You'll have
to experiment with many different ways, some people ask the Light to touch
their nose for a yes, and their chin for a no, others use pendulums, crystals
on a chain, where it will swing one way for yes, and the other way for no.
This might sound like a cliché, but it really does work, if you are open of heart
and empty of mind. Other methods are receiving an automatic in breath for
yes, and none for no. There are countless different ways, experiment until
you find what works for you, and then practice until you can receive proper
yes and no answers. Use test questions to find out if you have real contact.

Meditation and full Messages:
6) Use meditation to start receiving full sentences from the Light, or from your
spirit guides. When you are ready, the moment your brain waves lower down,
you will be able to receive sentences, emotions, visions and clear feelings,
that are able to bring you clear, extended messages. Again, everyone, with
practice, is able to do this.. though if you are free of blocks, it will be much,
much easier. That's why I am providing anyone interested with the address
of a healer that is able to do this work. All you have to do is send an email
and she will do the rest, like I said, free of charge and information of any kind.
Once you are able to receive full sentences, or clear messages, the Light will
start teaching you in the ways of remote viewing, remote diagnosing and
many different ways of healing. Reiki healing works but is very limited when
compared to what the Light will teach you when you reach this stage, which
could be within a month for some. Because enormous energies are working in
the background to help us with everything I am describing here.

Complete Spiritual Guidance:
7) The Light will guide you from here on, and help you to become a fully
fledged global healer, a true global Light worker, able to create massive and
substantial differences on a global scale. People like you will be the ones
that remove negativity from this planet, and replace it with a true paradise.
You will learn more than healing, you will gain a gigantic amount of knowledge
through this process, as well.

I am personally working on stage 5, the reason I know about all the stages
is because my mentor taught me them. I have gone through the first four
stages completely, and am now working on finding the right way to get clear
yes and no answers.. and I can tell you, just having reached stage 5 is very
amazing, it will change your life for the better, drastically. Remember to only
trust yourself, trust your own truth, trust your emotions and your feelings,
do not let anyone lead you astray with their truths and their knowledge, they
think they know everything, but they really don't, I don't know everything
either, not at all. My only purpose is to teach you how to find the truth all
by yourself, without copying sources from the outside.

If you have any questions, feel free to ask me.

[Anders Lindman]

I like point 4 about the heart. In our civilization the heart has become neglected. In fact, I strongly suspect that all the cardiovascular diseases we see today are a result of a severe disconnection from the heart.

[zsymon]

Yes, you are right, more specifically, the blocks that have been caused by
this disconnection from the heart.. have been stacking up to such large
amounts, for example I had some 300 blocks in my heart chakra alone, that
they cause many cardiovascular problems.

Had I not chosen to have my blocks released, I would have started getting
heart problems within a few years. I am only 27 years old, and I had already
started developing an irregular heart beat, because of the huge amounts of
past life blocks in my heart area.

[Anders Lindman]

I have found it surprisingly difficult to feel anything in my heart at all! I guess it's because the disconnect. So I practice feeling my heart, but often forget about it. I will practice some more. :cool:

[zsymon]

The part about the dream journal is very important too, that is why I have
put it in front of the heart discernment part. Through writing down our dreams
and by allowing our hearts to give us the meaning of these dreams, we make
our heart connection more powerful, and more clear. Even just doing this
with a few dreams will provide great results, you're not only receiving very
important messages from the dream itself, you're improving your ability of
your heart to give you emotions, decisions, feelings and information. I only
had to do it with two vivid dreams, before I could move to the next step.

[Anders Lindman]

Maybe it's useful to kind of document the dreams, but I'm too lazy for that. And I have the idea that if the dreams are important enough I will remember the important parts without writing anything down. And if I write them down, then I would have to use my thinking to try to figure out what they are all about. I'm trying to reduce my thinking as much as possible.

[zsymon]

Well, that is your choice, all I can do is provide the tools, it is up to you
to decide on using them or not. All I can do is stress how important it is to
write down vivid dreams, or other dreams you feel have meaning, so you
can read them over and over again, each part of the dream, until the meaning
and the message of the dream, comes to you.

I cannot possibly find out the meaning of any of my dreams, by just thinking
about them by memory. The only way that works for me, works everytime,
is writing them down, rereading them over and over, and then the message
reaches me, instantly like a bolt of lightning.

[verndewd]

i disagree with number 1.

I believe that were all a piece of a great puzzle and by sharing our experiences we can refine our own path to self knowledge. Thats what I call doctine and ministry. ministry is a function of sharing doctrine and doctrine is the knowing of the self on its path to godmind.

learning everything there is to know isnt bad but parroting it off like its your own experience is bad, in the words of george lynch regarding music, learn it all and then forget it and just play.

[scottishryan]

lovely post and one that resonates well with me!

Like verndewd I see no problems in learning from books and people as long as you can take what sits correct with your own being and not take it as gospel and then follow without self-enquiry and thinking(heart felt & feeling).

Since I have become more open spiritually, I have noticed that I tend to read a lot of books and research a lot of ancient text's but I do so with an open enquiring mind and rarely take much more than a few pieces of information that sits right with me.

Nerveless...I like this topic...so this unblocking, I am interested in hearing more and how this plays in with life experience et al!

[jackdaw]

One can examine and analyse their dreams ad infinitum but does that mean any clear sense or message will be derived from them? I doubt it. Wild interpretation, guesswork and self-delusion are dangers that can suggest entirely false meanings.

[unenlightened_waffle]

One can examine and analyse their dreams ad infinitum but does that mean any clear sense or message will be derived from them? I doubt it. Wild interpretation, guesswork and self-delusion are dangers that can suggest entirely false meanings.

I find it difficult to get meaning from dreams, although I am more and more starting to think they are real just a different layer of consciousness. So rather than interpreting them as such you should be trying to act in them.

I may still be asleep!

[tamagen]

It has been tried many times by those in power to block us but when we do listen to the truth that is within we can procede as we should.
Healers can help to unblock and meditation takes us further toward the real vibrational link this opens our minds and our hearts and then we see very clearly.
Thank you for writing all that you have on site because it is very much needed at this time and the more that move in the correct way the better we can make things for ourselves and the all and that is how we were supposed to work in connection and we can and will.

[justin_pushka]

Damn good post.

[academylin]

i disagree with number 1.

I believe that were all a piece of a great puzzle and by sharing our experiences we can refine our own path to self knowledge. Thats what I call doctine and ministry. ministry is a function of sharing doctrine and doctrine is the knowing of the self on its path to godmind.

learning everything there is to know isnt bad but parroting it off like its your own experience is bad, in the words of george lynch regarding music, learn it all and then forget it and just play.

I think you should read others opinions, thoughts and ideas.

The more you understand other attitudes the clearer you can develop your own.

Once you have a clear heart, point five and four I think, you are able to read these texts and know that there is or isn't truth - which resonates - in them.

Remember some people have a different development of learning and need to discover lies in order to see truth, so reading lots of different literature is imperative in explanation of ones own belief.

Point two; Is accurate and common sense.
It is an excercise in dreamtongue.... which is also an excercise in brainwave states, more specifically alerting a conscious theta state.

Point three is an awesome experience.
One is able to do this themselves, if point six was put where it should be, at point one!

[zsymon]

i disagree with number 1.

I believe that were all a piece of a great puzzle and by sharing our experiences we can refine our own path to self knowledge. Thats what I call doctine and ministry. ministry is a function of sharing doctrine and doctrine is the knowing of the self on its path to godmind.

learning everything there is to know isnt bad but parroting it off like its your own experience is bad, in the words of george lynch regarding music, learn it all and then forget it and just play.

You are correct, I made a mistake, when I showed this post to my mentor
she said the same. She told me everyone has their own path, and everyone
has to do it their way. I wanted to make this post to help people along on
their individual path, but I realize that everyone will be guided to to do it on
their own way.

The reason why I wrote it is because I felt that many people were being led
astray by false knowledge and lies, but everyone has to walk their own path,
and in the end they will find out for themselves what is true and what is not.
Another reason why I wrote it is because my mentor, and others, have been
led by the Light to not read any books or texts at all, but again, everyone
has their own, unique path, and it is not my job to tell people what to do or
what not to do.

I apologize for this, but I can't change the original post anymore.

Please rembember that the original post is just one way to walk a spiritual path,
my mentor told me it has great truth in it, but people have to feel what is right
for them. Consider it a way to kickstart your spiritual path, but realize in the end
you have to walk your own, unique path.

[mancunianmads]

Wonderful wonderful post zysmon. We do not need anyone outside of us to tell us what to do, the knowledge is within us already. Unfortunately so many people these days are being brought up to rely on outside sources for knowlegde.
Zysmon, I cannot contact you via private message for some reason and I would be very very interested in having the blocks from the past life removed. I think I must have a lot of past blocks, considering what's going on in my life. Can I give you one of my email addresses to contact me?
Thank you

[zsymon]

Sure mate,

My email is nayami_bee@hotmail.com (That's not my name, just
some random words I threw together, my real name is Hans.)

Send me an email and I will email you back with the details about how to
have the block removed. Like I said, you won't have to give your real name
in the email, if you don't want to, you don't have to include a picture, you
don't need to travel or anything, my mentor does the work from all distances,
and again, she does not charge anything, you don't have to do anything at
all in this process.

At some point, all healers, when they achieve contact with their spirit
guides, will be led to refrain from charging money for their services. Because
money is a non light control mechanism, it carries with it a tremendous
amount of negative energy, and charging money for spiritual healing and
other services, corrupts the entire process, it reduces the effect of the
healing and spiritual work, greatly.

[mancunianmads]

Thank you zsymon/Hans!

Sent you an email x

[zsymon]

I find it difficult to get meaning from dreams, although I am more and more starting to think they are real just a different layer of consciousness. So rather than interpreting them as such you should be trying to act in them.

I may still be asleep!

Dreams really are messages from the Light.

- Normal dreams carry messages about lessons you missed during the day.
- Vivid dreams carry very important messages about your spiritual path and life.
- Lucid dreams carry messages about things that are going on right now.

We can try and control the dream, but then we are missing out on the messages.
Dreams aren't meant for us to do what we like and have fun in a different type of
consciousness. All three types of dreams are there to bring messages and help us
make the right decisions in life, help us understand ourselves and our lives, or even
bring us visions of the future.

But all this only counts for positive dreams. Nightmares carry no messages, they
are brought to us by the energies and forces of non light, to try and hold us in fear.
They often send you visions of a false future, filled with fear, doom and destruction.
Nightmares are best completely ignored, the moment your dream carries emotions
and feelings of fear, dread, anger, hatred and deep frustration, it is to be ignored,
because it does not come from the Light.

[zsymon]

Like I said before, I am currently working on achieving enough contact with
my higher self to receive clear yes/no/neutral answers. A tool that was
recommended to me by my mentor, because it works for most people, is the
pendulum.

So I went and bought a pendulum of clear quartz crystal on a silver chain,
with on top a very small orb of the same crystal, to hold on to. But she
says it will work with any symmetrical objects on a rope, chain or hair. It
only cost me $15 in a crystal shop in my neighbouring town.

I was quite skeptical it would work for me, but I have faith in my mentor.

I went through the necessary routines that you need to respect after
having bought a new pendulum.

This is what I did to prepare the pendulum:

Divine Parents, please disconnect all energies that are connected
to this pendulum, release all non light energies and entities from it and
restore the natural flow of Light through this pendulum.

Divine Parents, please connect my own energy firmly with this pendulum.

Then I went on to ground myself:

I visualized, with each out breath, that a collumn of Light surrounded me and
went deep into the Earth, connecting with the core of swirling colors. Then
with each out breath I visualized the collumn of Light to reach up into the
cosmos, connecting with my higher self, with the Light. Then I continued to
breathe and visualized the swirling colors from the core of the Earth to come
up through the collumn, entering my body, and going up the collumn into the
Light, connecting with my higher self, I imagined the swirling colored energy
to fall back down to Earth, reconnecting with its core to close the cycle.

Then I visualized the collumn of Light, through which the swirling colors were
souring, to expand around the area of my body, and its borders become close
and hard, sealing me off, and pushing out all non light energies and entities.

Then I started to work with the pendulum:

I first asked for my gender frequency to rotate into the correct harmonious
direction, so the pendulum would not give me opposite answers. Then I took
the pendulum, held it with two fingers on a chain of six inches.. gave it a light
push so it went back and forth, and then asked my first question.

Please give me a YES. And the pendulum started swinging left right
away, even though I was holding it perfectly still and even.

I stopped it from swinging and gave it another push.

Please give me a NO. And the pendulum immediately started swinging
right, even though again, I was holding it perfectly still.

I stopped it from swinging and gave it another push.

Please give me NEUTRAL. And it just kept swinging straight, I waited
two minutes to see if it would start going into a direction anyway, but it
just kept swinging straight, it never stopped swinging either, even though I
was not moving my hand even just a millimeter.

After that, I started asking random test questions:

Like,

"Am I a girl?" It said no.. "Is my father a girl?" It said no.. "Do elementals and
faeries exist?" It said yes.. "Do they live in my garden?" It said yes.. "Do I
have two legs and two arms?" It said yes.. "Do I have four arms?" It said no..

And I went on and on and on.. it kept giving the right answer for over an hour
of test questions.

But then it started suddenly giving me random answers.. sometimes it had the
answer correct, sometimes it had it wrong. Mind, it kept swinging into one or
the other direction, without me moving it at all, it never went neutral, but still
it kept giving me totally random answers. So something must have happened
to break my pendulum integrity.

Now I have read on a page, that through practice and daily use, your pendulum
integrity increases. So the more you practice, the more often you will get correct
answers.. and you will be able to use it to help you decide on daily decisions, to
help you find out information about yourself, others and the world, and ultimately
to gain a direct connection with the Light and your higher self.

Through the daily use, your heart connection is also increased, and after a while
you won't need the pendulum anymore, you'll just be able to hear the answer to
your questions, not just yes/no questions, as a voice inside your head. Because
you gained spiritual integrity through the pendulum, the voice you hear will be a
real connection, it'll be your higher self or your spirit guide for real, and nothing 'll
be able to trick you.

[verndewd]

good stuff

[vladmir]

At some point, all healers, when they achieve contact with their spirit
guides, will be led to refrain from charging money for their services. Because
money is a non light control mechanism, it carries with it a tremendous
amount of negative energy and charging money for spiritual healing and
other services, corrupts the entire process, it reduces the effect of the
healing and spiritual work, greatly.
Absolutely spot on.

The 'money' that i have in my wallet, for all practical purposes, its 'mine'.
But i am not an idiot, i KNOW it doesnt belong to me, its not 'mine' it belongs to 'The Reserve Bank Of India'.
(Which is not a bank, and doesn't have any 'reserves')
I dont have any say in its depreciating purchasing power,
nor any say in the fact that it is not backed by any tangible valuable thing.
I dont have any say in who prints it,
and how much of it is printed,
weather its amount is inflated artificially or contracted deliberately.

I especially get annoyed when people in my country worship! it calling it Lakshmi, apparently the 'goddess of wealth'.
What nonsense! The goddess of DEBT is more likely.
Its totally asinine, that grown men and women all around me, use these notes to conduct commerce, and yet dont know what it REALLY is.
'Money Masters', 'Money As Debt', 'Secret Of OZ', 'Secret of the federal reserve' and so many other real documentaries have taught me the horrific crippling nature of the current monetary and banking system that is strangling the world into believing there is some imaginary 'recession', when all the resources are there and people are willing to work.

Whether it is Bill Gates or the guy down the street.
If you have 50 Billion 'dollars', and you think you are rich, you are forgetting the FACT that you are holding onto debt. There is no REAL money in the system. All the currency in circulation, exists because it is borrowed into existence, and it has an interest due, which will never be paid, because in order to pay the 'interest', you have to borrow more money, ie debt!

Its no wonder that the Intuition Center of one Heart will indicate that no blood-money should corrupt a perfectly functioning intention of working for the benefit of others without expecting monetary compensation.
There are MORE valuable things that will come your way if you practice being selfless, and doing things for the joy of helping others in need.

[stanislav]

No Spiritual Books:
1) Do not read any spiritual books or texts of any kind, ignore people's beliefs
and do not accept anything as the truth that does not come from yourself,
from your heart, from your own experiences. This part is KEY.. I have
learned the hard way, through reading hundreds of books and texts and belief
systems, that no book on this planet has truth that is not mixed through with
lies. I had to throw all my beliefs out of the window when I started my proper
spiritual journey, not a single of my beliefs matched with what my heart has
told me. I have received much proof and evidence in the past, that my heart
spoke the truth about this. So please people, throw away what you've learned
from books and texts and other people's belief systems, and have an empty mind
and an open heart at all times.. throw away all your preconceptions.



Okay this seems like a contradiction on your part. On one side you are telling everyone not to read any books or believe anything anyone claims as the truth and yet in meanwhile you yourself have read hundreds of books and then you decided that they weren’t good enough for you. You are advising everyone not to listen to anyone who claims to have the truth and yet you want people to listen to your guidance. How is your truth anymore valid than that of someone else? Now if you are saying that there is no truth in books but your own personal truth then those who authored their own books with their own personal experiences must have some merit of truth. Or are you saying that every person’s personal truth is the truth? Then how can so many people have so many truths if there is only ONE TRUTH? Do you realize how much BS you are spewing by claiming that one should throw away all esoteric books that have been written to awaken people in some way or another? Maybe it’s time for you to realize that either there is no one valid truth or there is only one but you are not aware of it and that only a few individual are privy to such and you might not be one of them? Surely the Christians have their own truth and surely they believe in their own delusions but so are you because you have no outside reference to know for certainly that your personal experience is valid either. It could be more valid than that of a Christian but then when you hit the capstone what then? What then are you going to do? Maybe your personal truth and everyone else’s for the most part is only relative truth that only applies within this Matrix but looking form outside of it one will realize that anyone who thinks they have attained some sort of Enlightenment are fools who are blinded by the false light of the very controllers that hold this Matrix together.

[verndewd]

hey zsymon would you ask your mentor what she makes of my observations in the threads I have made? Just curious :D

[stanislav]

Dream Journal:
2) Make a dream journal, a folder on your computer, write down your dreams
and think about each part of each dream, until your heart tells you what the
part means. Do this with each part of a dream, do not try to connect them
all the time, just think about what each part is trying to tell you. Do not use
any books on dream symbolism of any kind, simply keep rereading your written
down dreams, until your heart tells you the meaning of each part. Everyone
is able to do this succesfully. Some have to reread five times, others twenty
times, but everyone will realize what the meaning or the message is. This
method will give you great learning about the your future spiritual path, and
as I said, it works for everyone. This connection to dream messages will serve
to open you up for more direct messages from the spirit world.



How can I write anything in my dream journal if I don't even remember any of my dreams? I mean honestly don't you think that maybe some people do not remember any of their dreams? So how can they get any guidance from their spirit if they do not remember their own dreams? Besides why do you think that all of our dreams must be connected to the spirit world? Are you saying that there are no dreams that solely connected to a physical processies within the brain? Are you saying that every dream must be message from the spirit? Some dreams could be just hopes or fears we project within our own mind. Please do not shove everything under one umbrella. Not everything in this life has to be of supernatural occurrence. Why not go with a simple explanation first and realize that dreams are for the most part projections of your own thoughts?

[nectars]

How can I write anything in my dream journal if I don't even remember any of my dreams? I mean honestly don't you think that maybe some people do not remember any of their dreams? So how can they get any guidance from their spirit if they do not remember their own dreams?

Your convinced you cant do anything about it when all I see is you convincing yourself of such. Decide different and let go of anything in the way. You'll remember them if you intend to.

Besides why do you think that all of our dreams must be connected to the spirit world? Are you saying that there are no dreams that solely connected to a physical processies within the brain? Are you saying that every dream must be message from the spirit? Some dreams could be just hopes or fears we project within our own mind. Please do not shove everything under one umbrella. Not everything in this life has to be of supernatural occurrence. Why not go with a simple explanation first and realize that dreams are for the most part projections of your own thoughts?

If you get into it you'll find them to be much more. Are they all connected to the "spirit world"? Yes. You've got seperations going on here that dont actually exist. Dreams are utilised by the Self through using our mental contents to reconstruct physical experience. We're instructed the "part we'll play" while in the dreamstate, the only reason most dont(or "wont") see it is due to the Self's communication throught the Mind being symbolic rather than direct.

[zsymon]

Okay this seems like a contradiction on your part. On one side you are telling everyone not to read any books or believe anything anyone claims as the truth and yet in meanwhile you yourself have read hundreds of books and then you decided that they weren’t good enough for you. You are advising everyone not to listen to anyone who claims to have the truth and yet you want people to listen to your guidance. How is your truth anymore valid than that of someone else? Now if you are saying that there is no truth in books but your own personal truth then those who authored their own books with their own personal experiences must have some merit of truth. Or are you saying that every person’s personal truth is the truth? Then how can so many people have so many truths if there is only ONE TRUTH? Do you realize how much BS you are spewing by claiming that one should throw away all esoteric books that have been written to awaken people in some way or another? Maybe it’s time for you to realize that either there is no one valid truth or there is only one but you are not aware of it and that only a few individual are privy to such and you might not be one of them? Surely the Christians have their own truth and surely they believe in their own delusions but so are you because you have no outside reference to know for certainly that your personal experience is valid either. It could be more valid than that of a Christian but then when you hit the capstone what then? What then are you going to do? Maybe your personal truth and everyone else’s for the most part is only relative truth that only applies within this Matrix but looking form outside of it one will realize that anyone who thinks they have attained some sort of Enlightenment are fools who are blinded by the false light of the very controllers that hold this Matrix together.

I already said in a previous post that my first point was not correct. When I
showed it to my mentor, she explained to me that everyone is on their own
path, and that it is not my job to tell people what to do or what not to do.
Many people have found profound insights when reading books, and so have
I recently. So yeah, please ignore that first point, there is nothing wrong with
reading books, as long as you keep a discerning heart and a critical mind.

The reason why I wrote that first point, I can't modify it anymore now, is
because my mentor was led by her spirit guides to refrain from reading any
kind of books, because they wanted her to learn everything from personal
experience, with an open mind and without any preconceptions gotten in
books.

Another reason I wrote that first point, is because I have read assloads of
books, always to find out that none of what was written in them, had any
truth in it. The vast majority of spiritual books were written by the non light,
or by people who were connected to non light spirit beings, thinking they
were connected to the Light or to their spirit guides. But there are books
that were written out of love, that were written with Divine intuition, and
those books are very valuable to our spiritual path. But please don't trust
those books who tell you what to believe, who tell you their truth is the only
truth. Trust books though, who help you find the truth by yourself.

[zsymon]

How can I write anything in my dream journal if I don't even remember any of my dreams? I mean honestly don't you think that maybe some people do not remember any of their dreams? So how can they get any guidance from their spirit if they do not remember their own dreams? Besides why do you think that all of our dreams must be connected to the spirit world? Are you saying that there are no dreams that solely connected to a physical processies within the brain? Are you saying that every dream must be message from the spirit? Some dreams could be just hopes or fears we project within our own mind. Please do not shove everything under one umbrella. Not everything in this life has to be of supernatural occurrence. Why not go with a simple explanation first and realize that dreams are for the most part projections of your own thoughts?

When you go to sleep with the intention of remembering and writing down
your dreams, every night, then you will most definitely start remembering
them properly, and in detail. Not remembering your dream means there are
blockages, and through willpower you can overcome those blockages, it
may take some time, but everyone can remember their dreams with some
effort, it is not natural for someone to not remember their dreams, so with
effort, or if it really doesn't work, by having your past life blocks removed,
you will start remembering your dreams in high definition and extreme detail.

I am not saying that there are no dreams that come from your brain, some
dreams are just random images from your overactive brain at night. But
those dreams who feel profound to you, and often which are very vivid, do
carry important messages.

Normal dreams carry messages about lessons you got during the day.
Vivid dreams carry vital messages about your spiritual evolution.
Lucid dreams carry vital messages about what is going on right now.

Not every dream has a message from the spirit world, nightmares for example
do come from the spirit world, but not from the Light, nightmares are sent
to you from the astral, to hold you in fear and to hinder your evolution.

Indeed, some dreams could just be hopes or fears, you have to feel which
dream holds important messages. It's possible they do not come that often,
in three weeks time I have only received two important dreams, which I was
able to understand its messages from as well.

But many dreams, bring you important messages. Usually dreams can be put
in three general categories. Brain dreams, Light dreams and nightmares.

Brain dreams come from yourself, from your brain, as it says.
Light dreams come from the Light Realm, to bring you messages.
Nightmares come from the astral world, to bring you fear and pain.

It is not so hard to determine which of your dreams fit into which category.
Usually Light dreams are symbolic, but lucid dreams are not symbolic, they
tell you clearly what the message is you need to hear. However if you start
and try to control the lucid dream, you will miss the message.

[verndewd]

How can I write anything in my dream journal if I don't even remember any of my dreams? I mean honestly don't you think that maybe some people do not remember any of their dreams? So how can they get any guidance from their spirit if they do not remember their own dreams? Besides why do you think that all of our dreams must be connected to the spirit world? Are you saying that there are no dreams that solely connected to a physical processies within the brain? Are you saying that every dream must be message from the spirit? Some dreams could be just hopes or fears we project within our own mind. Please do not shove everything under one umbrella. Not everything in this life has to be of supernatural occurrence. Why not go with a simple explanation first and realize that dreams are for the most part projections of your own thoughts?

The guy is sharing his understanding amd while it may unnerve you to read it and not see the variables in using it thats not true for others. we seekers should make it a cardinal sin to bash the way others put things together as they seek.

I contended #1 and his mentor agreed so he admitted err which takes a pretty big soul to do. People that make mistakes and admit them should inspire humility in others at least thats ALWAYS the case with me.

I highly reccommend you try it its good for the soul.

[joeman_0]

to the OP: wow, awesome post. I think you should write a book. :D

[mark1963]

When you go to sleep with the intention of remembering and writing down
your dreams, every night, then you will most definitely start remembering
them properly, and in detail. Not remembering your dream means there are
blockages, and through willpower you can overcome those blockages, it
may take some time, but everyone can remember their dreams with some
effort, it is not natural for someone to not remember their dreams, so with
effort, or if it really doesn't work, by having your past life blocks removed,
you will start remembering your dreams in high definition and extreme detail.

I am not saying that there are no dreams that come from your brain, some
dreams are just random images from your overactive brain at night. But
those dreams who feel profound to you, and often which are very vivid, do
carry important messages.

Normal dreams carry messages about lessons you got during the day.
Vivid dreams carry vital messages about your spiritual evolution.
Lucid dreams carry vital messages about what is going on right now.

Not every dream has a message from the spirit world, nightmares for example
do come from the spirit world, but not from the Light, nightmares are sent
to you from the astral, to hold you in fear and to hinder your evolution.

Indeed, some dreams could just be hopes or fears, you have to feel which
dream holds important messages. It's possible they do not come that often,
in three weeks time I have only received two important dreams, which I was
able to understand its messages from as well.

But many dreams, bring you important messages. Usually dreams can be put
in three general categories. Brain dreams, Light dreams and nightmares.

Brain dreams come from yourself, from your brain, as it says.
Light dreams come from the Light Realm, to bring you messages.
Nightmares come from the astral world, to bring you fear and pain.

It is not so hard to determine which of your dreams fit into which category.
Usually Light dreams are symbolic, but lucid dreams are not symbolic, they
tell you clearly what the message is you need to hear. However if you start
and try to control the lucid dream, you will miss the message.

This really resonates with me. I used to have lucid dreams when younger and I could control them.

Then for many years nothing that I could remember.

Then last year the lucid dreams came back and they are always have been and are now about helping people - mostly to fly.

I have only ever had one demonic dream (this week) and I emailed you about that. Other than that it's been help, help, help all the way.

[stanislav]

I already said in a previous post that my first point was not correct. When I
showed it to my mentor, she explained to me that everyone is on their own
path, and that it is not my job to tell people what to do or what not to do.
Many people have found profound insights when reading books, and so have
I recently. So yeah, please ignore that first point, there is nothing wrong with
reading books, as long as you keep a discerning heart and a critical mind.

The reason why I wrote that first point, I can't modify it anymore now, is
because my mentor was led by her spirit guides to refrain from reading any
kind of books, because they wanted her to learn everything from personal
experience, with an open mind and without any preconceptions gotten in
books.

Another reason I wrote that first point, is because I have read assloads of
books, always to find out that none of what was written in them, had any
truth in it. The vast majority of spiritual books were written by the non light,
or by people who were connected to non light spirit beings, thinking they
were connected to the Light or to their spirit guides. But there are books
that were written out of love, that were written with Divine intuition, and
those books are very valuable to our spiritual path. But please don't trust
those books who tell you what to believe, who tell you their truth is the only
truth. Trust books though, who help you find the truth by yourself.

I am sorry but you DO tell people what to do. How are you anymore different than any other preacher who shows up here in order to sell their own personal “truth”? You tend to divide everyone into two camps. Your narrow minded outlook about this reality consists of individuals who are either light or non light. You are unable to see that life in this reality is never one sided. There will be always unequal polarization towards one extreme or another with almost every individual. You seem to tilt more towards the so called “positive” aspect for the lack of a better word but at the same time I can sense an agenda of sorts on your part. I can sense through your actions on this board that ultimately your helping hand is really helping YOURSELF. You also seem to rely much on your mentor. If you are saying that it’s all about your personal experience then why do you let someone else decide if your post was valid or not? Even though you said that you made an error in your first point on your first post you still claim on the same paragraph that most of these books were written by negative hence evil individuals. It’s quite an ambiguous claim to make. Don’t you think so? I feel about you exactly what I would feel about someone who was religious. They too claim what they preach with much conviction with a sense of love and peace and yet it’s all a façade and you my dear are no more different. It seems like there is a new trend nowadays. You have changed your cloth but you stayed the same. An Enlightened sheep.

[exford]

I feel about you exactly what I would feel about someone who was religious. They too claim what they preach with much conviction with a sense of love and peace and yet it’s all a façade and you my dear are no more different. It seems like there is a new trend nowadays. You have changed your cloth but you stayed the same. An Enlightened sheep.


The awakening process is the new religion IMO....it's basicly the same ideology with more fashionable language and concepts,backed up, ever more increasingly by dodgy theoretical science(?).
It's being lapped up big style by those aware enough to have turned their back on organised religion.

http://www.davidicke.com/forum/showthread.php?t=123638

[zsymon]

I am sorry but you DO tell people what to do. How are you anymore different than any other preacher who shows up here in order to sell their own personal “truth”? You tend to divide everyone into two camps. Your narrow minded outlook about this reality consists of individuals who are either light or non light. You are unable to see that life in this reality is never one sided. There will be always unequal polarization towards one extreme or another with almost every individual. You seem to tilt more towards the so called “positive” aspect for the lack of a better word but at the same time I can sense an agenda of sorts on your part. I can sense through your actions on this board that ultimately your helping hand is really helping YOURSELF. You also seem to rely much on your mentor. If you are saying that it’s all about your personal experience then why do you let someone else decide if your post was valid or not? Even though you said that you made an error in your first point on your first post you still claim on the same paragraph that most of these books were written by negative hence evil individuals. It’s quite an ambiguous claim to make. Don’t you think so? I feel about you exactly what I would feel about someone who was religious. They too claim what they preach with much conviction with a sense of love and peace and yet it’s all a façade and you my dear are no more different. It seems like there is a new trend nowadays. You have changed your cloth but you stayed the same. An Enlightened sheep.

I have said many times, in almost every single of my posts, that it is not my
intention to preach, or to tell people what to believe. The only reason why I
write down my perspective on things, is so people who are interested can use
their heart to discern which of my beliefs and experiences they want to use
to help their own truth evolve. The only reason why I write down my own truth
and my experiences, is not to let other people judge me, but to give them a
perspective that they may choose to use in their own spiritual evolution, if
they want.

My only "agenda" is to help people to connect with their higher self
through the connection of their heart. So they can learn the truth all by
themselves, without having to blindly follow the beliefs of someone else,
who they believe is more advanced than themselves. As that is my own
purpose, that is part of my task here on Earth. Not to preach to people
but to help them find the truth all by themselves.

My mentor has never asked me to replace my beliefs with hers, all she
ever did was help me connect with my higher self, so I can find out the
truth by myself, through my dreams, through my spiritual experiences,
through visions and the heart connection that allows all of us to ask
any question we want, and receive the answer. Everyone is able to do
this, and this is our purpose, to evolve to a level that we can connect
with the truth through our heart chakra. Just like I am doing here, she
too shared with me her beliefs and knowledge, it is up to me to choose
what of her experiences and knowledge I want to use to help me evolve
on my own spiritual path.

I hope this helps you understand my purpose and intentions better. :)

I wish you all the best.

[zsymon]

to the OP: wow, awesome post. I think you should write a book. :D

Thank you very much, I always greatly appreciate positive feedback. :)

Maybe one day I will write a book, not to a book filled with knowledge
to feed to people, but maybe a book that will help people find out the
truth by themselves. But before I can do that I still have a lot to learn
though, but thank you for the suggestion.

[zsymon]

Penduluming, improved Success.

Since two days now I was struggling with my pendulum, whatever I asked it,
it just kept turning right. If I asked it for a YES, it turned right, if I asked it
for a NO, it turned right, if I asked it for a NEUTRAL, it turned right.

Today the same bloody thing happened, just kept turning right whatever I
asked it, and I was getting pretty frustrated, even lost my cool on the forum
of my mentor, which is not good for the energy that she wants to upkeep
there.

Today I read on a website about penduluming, to place the other hand below
the pendulum. I gave it a push so it starts swinging straight, and I asked for a
YES.. it went and turned right. I let the pendulum touch my left hand as well
as the table, to "clear" it I guess, and I put my left hand below the pendulum
again, I pushed it and asked it for a NO. It kept swinging straight, and I could
actually feel a force trying to pull the pendulum to the right, but it was not
strong enough, the chain started shaking and vibrating, even though my hand
was perfectly still. Obviously something did not want this pendulum to give
me straight answers.

After a while of fighting against this force, the pendulum finally swung to the
left, to give me a clear NO! This was amazing, I instantly felt much better.

Now I put my palm under it again, pushed it and asked for a NEUTRAL. Again
it started swinging straight, and again I felt this force trying to pull the thing
to the right, but again it was just a little too weak, and the pendulum kept
swinging straight for two minutes, giving me a clear NEUTRAL.

Now I don't know why, but apparently holding your palm under the pendulum
somehow "closes" the energy circuit, and gives your higher self more energy
to send into the pendulum, through your hands.

It is up to you all of course, but I recommend trying a pendulum to all of you,
and using it the way I use it, with the other hand beneath the pendulum. I
would be very interested in hearing how it works for some of you. It is the
most solid way to contact the higher self, according to many people, and I'm
starting to agree with them.

You can use many things for a pendulum, you can go buy a crystal or brass
pendulum, or you can just take a symmetric ring and hang it from a long hair
or from a rope, at 6 inches. Hold it steady, give it a push and then hold your
other hand right under the swinging pendulum, palm up.. then ask it for a
YES, see which way it swings, then ask it for a NO, see which way it swings,
then ask it for a NEUTRAL, and if it just keeps swinging straight, you will know
that it works. Now you can start asking questions of which you know the
answer, such as "Am I a girl/boy?" "Am I jumping up and down right now?", etc..
so you can test your pendulum integrity.

Don't forget to cleanse it and connect your energy to it, as I described on
page 2 of this thread.

I hope at least one of you wants to give it a shot and tell me how it works
out for them. If it does then I am interested in how it might affect your own
spiritual evolution throughout the coming times. Maybe if we ask the same
questions about the world, about things that are spoken about on this forum
of David Icke, we can compare our answers, to increase our trust in the
functioning of the pendulum. If we both constantly get matching answers,
then the chances of the pendulum being correct, are doubled.

[verndewd]

My only "agenda" is to help people to connect with their higher self
through the connection of their heart. So they can learn the truth all by
themselves, without having to blindly follow the beliefs of someone else,
who they believe is more advanced than themselves. As that is my own
purpose, that is part of my task here on Earth. Not to preach to people
but to help them find the truth all by themselves.

.

+1

[zsymon]

Thanks. :)

The text of mine you quoted, is the reason why I am writing down my
experiences with the pendulum, because the pendulum is a great first
step in connecting with the truth by yourself.

When you use your pendulum, it is your higher self that causes your
muscles to tense in tiny motions, resulting in clear answers straight
from above. The more often you do it, the more energy will be then
available to your higher self to use with the pendulum, and the sooner
and harder and more accurate the pendulum will swing.

If my mother uses her pendulum, her hand is perfectly still, yet her
pendulum swings like crazy, almost leveling out horizontally. It is truly
astonishing to watch her use that thing.. her pendulum integrity is
amazing. But it doesn't matter how hard it swings, as long as it gives
you accurate answers.

Please let me know if you plan on using a pendulum yourself, like I
said I am interested in matching answers, so we can find out more
information about the future, about the world, about the secrets of
this age.

[sh3lly]

Interesting thread! :)

[stanislav]

I have said many times, in almost every single of my posts, that it is not my
intention to preach, or to tell people what to believe. The only reason why I
write down my perspective on things, is so people who are interested can use
their heart to discern which of my beliefs and experiences they want to use
to help their own truth evolve. The only reason why I write down my own truth
and my experiences, is not to let other people judge me, but to give them a
perspective that they may choose to use in their own spiritual evolution, if
they want.



And yet you keep preaching … Maybe not on this thread as much but on the previous one you did. You came there with a warning. Like as if you were some sort of Messiah sent from the light to warn people about the evil lyghtkynge. Obviously from what I have read so far you are clearly a newly awakened enlightened sheep. I can’t believe some members here actually support you but then again they are probably on the same wavelength as yourself. While you deny books filled with someone else’s experiences it’s okay with you if people listen to YOUR perspective but not of others. You still claim that yours is light and theirs is black, wrong, evil, misguided etc... YOU know better and everyone else, well they just need to open their hearts. Why would they choose your perspective? Why is yours anymore valid than that of lyghtkynge for the sake of the argument? And please don't say that you wish me the best because you DO NOT. You are such a fake!

[rakkoo]

I just ask God, he shows me everything.

[zsymon]

And yet you keep preaching … Maybe not on this thread as much but on the previous one you did. You came there with a warning. Like as if you were some sort of Messiah sent from the light to warn people about the evil lyghtkynge. Obviously from what I have read so far you are clearly a newly awakened enlightened sheep. I can’t believe some members here actually support you but then again they are probably on the same wavelength as yourself. While you deny books filled with someone else’s experiences it’s okay with you if people listen to YOUR perspective but not of others. You still claim that yours is light and theirs is black, wrong, evil, misguided etc... YOU know better and everyone else, well they just need to open their hearts. Why would they choose your perspective? Why is yours anymore valid than that of lyghtkynge for the sake of the argument? And please don't say that you wish me the best because you DO NOT. You are such a fake!

Please, I am trying to keep this thread as positively as I can, I know you are
a follower of Lyghtkynge, and I know that you strongly disagree with me as
I was warning people such as myself, not to fall into the trap of believing his
teachings. I agree that I came over a little preachy on his thread, but the
teachings of Lyghtkynge are extremely dangerous for those who's own
energy is not non light and negativity. His knowledge was deeply negative and
a danger to anyone who has love and compassion in his heart.

After I had made my first post on his thread, I received a handful of private
messages of people who had fallen for Lyghtkynge's teachings, who had
asked him to teach them meditation and other techniques, and these people
are still trying to become free of the negative entities and energies that had
attached themselves to them because of Lyghtkynge's advice. I could simply
not stay silent and I felt that I had to warn others from the same fate.

But you fail to mention that I always showed my deepest respect to him on
that thread, and often I even commended him for his zeal and the depth of
his knowledge. I never said that what Lyghtkynge had to say was wrong, I
just said that it was extremely dangerous for those who are Light souls. I
have showed my respects and I said what I had to say, please don't bring
your problems with me to this thread. I understand that you do not like me
and that you care for nothing I have to say, but other people do care.

Don't turn this thread, that was meant to teach and help people find out the
truth by themselves, into a rant. Please show me the respect that I have
shown you and Lyghtkynge. The thread you speak about, has already been
turned into a rant and moved into the rant section, I have never thrown a
single insult, I have never become angry or frustrated on that thread, the
honor of that was entire yours and Lyghtkynge's. I hope you remember how
he threw horrible insults at everyone who dared disagree with him, even at
his own followers and admirers.. and now you are doing the same again. I
have shown nothing but respect, but received none at all.

[zsymon]

I just ask God, he shows me everything.

I am truly happy that you have such an amazing connection with Divine Spirit.

My mentor too has such a connection, He is with her always, His voice there
whenever she needs it, answering all her questions and guiding her through
most difficult times. Such a connection is what we are all meant to achieve
in the future.

Do you want to share what kind of stuff you have learned from your connection?

[vladmir]

Learn to listen to your heart, when your heart tellls you that something
does not feel right, then it is not good, when your heart makes you pull into
a direction, then follow that direction. This step is crucial because it asks of
you to have FAITH in your heart, have FAITH in the Light, and trust your
own amazing abilities. With this ability you are actually able to look into the
future and see what comes, simply by thinking about the future and listening
to your heart. You will not get substantial messages yet, just feelings about
what is right, and what is wrong. Do not doubt your ability, trust in yourself,
this is not something you need to practice, you can already do this, you just
have to trust in your ability, and you will be able to use it.
Excellent advice, trust your own inner authority,
instead of fully depending and relying on anyone on the outside.
After all, only your Heart can have your best intentions at heart,lol.
Heart trumps Mind, always.
Thinking cannot exist in the present.
In this moment, THIS, the EverPresent moment, there is No-thought.
And there is only this moment, that YOU exist in.
Its ever renewing, and ever present.

Secondly, Love is not a concept.
Trying to make a concept of love,
and then trying to grasp onto it,
is like trying to catch light with your fist.
Not going to happen, and if you do catch it, its not light.
Polarity only exists in the Mind realm.
There is NO polar opposite to Unconditional LOVE.
Anyone who says the opposite of love is hate,
is referring to something else other than Love.

'Unconditional Love' is just a term we use here on our place, to INDICATE something of the Eternal Unknowable in words.
Love's True Eternal POTENCY can NEVER EVER be KNOWN
by the MIND-field, of anyone's MIND.

What Love is made up of, its substance, is THE Substance of ALL Substance.
It is Substance and Potency ITSELF.
Only LOVE can KNOW ITSELF as IT IS.
Unconditional Love actually MEANS LOVE+CONSCIOUSNESS+BLISS, its a 3-in-1.
Only this Trinity, can Generate, Hold and Regulate Power.
The power to create, sustain, and destroy.
No Mind, no human, no matter how evolved,
can EVER have access to unconditional untempered power.
Anyone who says otherwise, is saying it in mind, and is being misunderstood in mind, and all the while, the subject matter was NEVER in the GRASP of the Mind.
Its not about the Words,
words don't mean anything in realms that are above and beyond the Mind.

So, take my words with a pinch of salt.

[zsymon]

Well, I do believe that humans are able to experience unconditional love. In
fact, it is our purpose to live our lives giving of unconditional love freely to
all life.. and to receive it as well ofcourse, with an open heart.

I agree that the true power of unconditional love energy, is far beyond what
we can understand with our human minds, here on Earth, but we can give of
and experience the power of unconditional love.

Simple by giving of your love freely, without placing conditions on it, such as
only loving your family or friends, or only loving people you like.. we can give
of unconditional love and make others experience it. If you love all life, and
all creatures, both animal, elemental and human, then you are within the
energy and power of unconditional love.

If you can love those that hate you, those that have hurt you, those that
insult you, those that ruin your life, those that you have never even met,
then that means to live with unconditional love, and to give it freely to all
and everything, without using any kind of excuse to not love someone or
something.

You see what I mean?

Giving of unconditional love means to give love always, even in the face of
intense negativity. For example, if someone is insulting you and shouting into
your face, instead of joining in with the negative energies and shouting back
at him, simply smile at him and apologize, tell him you understand his point
of view and ask him to try and understand your point of view as well. While
you do this, actively channel your unconditional love energy into the heart
of the one in front of you. You will be amazed at how quickly the situation
will change into a positive experience. The more you practice this, the more
your life will transform into a paradise.. with this power, which is beyond all
powers of negativity, you will be able to turn any negative situation into a
positive one..

But it does take practice, because we have been conditioned to always join
in with the negative energies, emotions, actions and thoughts, when they
occur to us.

P.S.

For those who are interested, I have made a new thread about my personal
and very recent experiences with the elementals, or nature spirits. It is here:

http://www.davidicke.com/forum/showthread.php?p=1059129043#post1059129043

I am quite proud of my experiences with them, even though I have met them
and have seen them only twice myself.

[stanislav]

Please, I am trying to keep this thread as positively as I can, I know you are
a follower of Lyghtkynge, and I know that you strongly disagree with me as
I was warning people such as myself, not to fall into the trap of believing his
teachings. I agree that I came over a little preachy on his thread, but the
teachings of Lyghtkynge are extremely dangerous for those who's own
energy is not non light and negativity. His knowledge was deeply negative and
a danger to anyone who has love and compassion in his heart.

After I had made my first post on his thread, I received a handful of private
messages of people who had fallen for Lyghtkynge's teachings, who had
asked him to teach them meditation and other techniques, and these people
are still trying to become free of the negative entities and energies that had
attached themselves to them because of Lyghtkynge's advice. I could simply
not stay silent and I felt that I had to warn others from the same fate.

But you fail to mention that I always showed my deepest respect to him on
that thread, and often I even commended him for his zeal and the depth of
his knowledge. I never said that what Lyghtkynge had to say was wrong, I
just said that it was extremely dangerous for those who are Light souls. I
have showed my respects and I said what I had to say, please don't bring
your problems with me to this thread. I understand that you do not like me
and that you care for nothing I have to say, but other people do care.

Don't turn this thread, that was meant to teach and help people find out the
truth by themselves, into a rant. Please show me the respect that I have
shown you and Lyghtkynge. The thread you speak about, has already been
turned into a rant and moved into the rant section, I have never thrown a
single insult, I have never become angry or frustrated on that thread, the
honor of that was entire yours and Lyghtkynge's. I hope you remember how
he threw horrible insults at everyone who dared disagree with him, even at
his own followers and admirers.. and now you are doing the same again. I
have shown nothing but respect, but received none at all.

Why would you want to keep something in a certain state? I don’t think you even realize what you are saying when you say I WANT TO KEEP. Keeping something in a certain state means you want something to go about by YOUR RULES - CONTROL. Why not allow this thread or any thread for the sake of the argument to be AS IS? Why not allow people to express what they want to say without subjecting them to RULES of any kind? You surely don’t think that my criticism of you can hurt you? But if you do then it’s obvious why you do not like opposition since you want to have a following. You need someone to ask you questions, give you credit for your wonderful work, admire you, all in order to feed your own enlightened ego. You consider me as your enemy because I simply speak the truth without being politically correct. It’s childish if you think that someone has to be politically correct in order to stay polite. There is NOTHING polite about any of it. Avoiding criticizing someone in order to stay clean is utmost fakeness just like when you claim that you showed deepest respect to your enemy. How can you show any respect to someone you consider EVIL? You can only show fear to EVIL. People never respect their enemy they FEAR IT. And I do not follow nobody. I do not agree with everything Lyghtkynge says either but just because I did not have the time to respond on the previous thread, doesn’t mean I agree with everything anyone ever posted there whatever it was pro or con Lyghtkynge.

[zsymon]

Because in my heart, there is no fear, only unconditional love.. for you, for
Lyghtkynge, for evil, for negativity.. sometimes my mind manages to hold
me in negativity, but never for long anymore these days, usually my heart
is able to take over quickly again, returning the situation back to love and
compassion, forgiveness and respect.

I have learned the hard way that for people like me, unconditional love is
the way to go. That is why I do not respond to your constant insults with
the same energy. I can show respect for something I consider evil,
I can show respect for everything and everyone. Because I respect the
place of the non light in the grand scheme of things, like I have told you
many times before, I accept that the non light is needed for the Universe
to continue sustaining itself. That is why I show respect to you and to
Lyghtkynge.

I am not saying that you or Lyghtkynge are evil, but the energy you are
using now and in the other thread, is.

I want to keep this thread in a positive state because all my work will be
lost if you manage to turn it into a rant again, like the other one.

P.S.

I am truly sorry, but I had to report you, and I ask others here that do
appreciate my work, to do the same. I do not want to see this thread,
which has received five stars and through which I have been able to help
dozens of people with advice and healing, gone to waste in the rants
section, just because you cannot keep it civilized and respectful. I hope
you understand my situation. I will however be happy to continue our
discussion through private messages. But please don't expect me to throw
insults back at you, I will not join in with such emotions and energies.

[vladmir]

I agree that the true power of unconditional love energy, is far beyond what
we can understand with our human minds, here on Earth, but we can give of
and experience the power of unconditional love.
Precisely. What i am suggesting is that if anyone wants to pursue a spiritual goal, to embody it, let it be Unconditional Love and not "unconditional power" (which has no existence outside of the realm of Unconditional Love anyway)
Anyone, who says
"see, human love is frail, its polarity,
and its not real and an illusion,
therefore discard this love of yours and instead pursue unconditional power instead....because (the false reasons) see?
thus only unconditional power is the truth"
Anyone who says this, he/she has never understood what Love really is.
Power corrupts unconditionally.
Power without LOVE, is nothing but disaster.
Unconditional Love has no such dangers, because it is SELF-REGULATING.
Through Its Absolute and Harmonious Self-Regulation, it gives Birth to Itself,
As Power to Create, Sustain and Destroy/RE-Absorb.
You cannot add more Power to this equation, but you can add Love.
Because Love has no limits, and can contain Infinity Itself.
Power can make no such boast, except a false one.
And this false boast can only fool those on the human realm.
So my advice to anyone reading is,
don't let the promises of 'unconditional power' fool you.

[zsymon]

Yeah, the promises of unconditional power, and the meditations and
techniques to seek such energy, has caused great damage to some
of the people who've contacted me, that is why I wrote my warnings
on Lyghtkynge's thread. But I always showed respect and even real
admiration for him. Even though he did naught but throw insults at
me after every post, I had nothing but love and respect for him, as I
have for all beings. But I guess it fell on deaf ears..

[stanislav]

I am truly sorry, but I had to report you, and I ask others here that do
appreciate my work, to do the same. I do not want to see this thread,
which has received five stars and through which I have been able to help
dozens of people with advice and healing, gone to waste in the rants
section, just because you cannot keep it civilized and respectful. I hope
you understand my situation. I will however be happy to continue our
discussion through private messages. But please don't expect me to throw
insults back at you, I will not join in with such emotions and energies.

Once again you continue to prove correct everything I said about YOU. I love your not so innocent P.S. It reminds me of a cold blooded serial killer who calmly tells his victim that he is very sorry but he has absolutely no choice but to kill him/her in order to realize his own addiction. You certainly like to play victims and yet at the same time stub your opposition right in the face while screaming in expectation for help from others. Obviously all you care is about your rating (stars) and how wonderful your every word is. I hope MODS will take notice and if they are intelligent enough they will realize that I have the right to oppose you and your so to speak teachings. Life is not about being positive but about keeping at as real as possible and facing what is before you. You definitely have a personal agenda or else I would not oppose you. Your like a wolf hiding in sheep cloth,. Good are good at playing a victim but I do not see you as such. Believe you me.

[stanislav]

Yeah, the promises of unconditional power, and the meditations and
techniques to seek such energy, has caused great damage to some
of the people who've contacted me, that is why I wrote my warnings
on Lyghtkynge's thread. But I always showed respect and even real
admiration for him. Even though he did naught but throw insults at
me after every post, I had nothing but love and respect for him, as I
have for all beings. But I guess it fell on deaf ears..

How can you claim that you have deep respect and love for everyone if your actions do not correspond with your loving words? Did you not just say that you reported me to the admin and even asked others to join in? Why did you not do it on Lyghtkynge thread? Oh I see because it's YOUR THREAD now. Okay. So you don't like it when people oppose you but it was okay for you to come to Lyghtkynge thread and oppose him right? Honestly you seem like a walking talking contradiction. Why? Simply because you want it your way. How is it that I never had any problem with anyone else here so far in particular but you seem to annoy me. And please don't think it's because you radiate so much light that me EVIL ONE (as you consider me) cannot tolerate. I find much of what you say very simplistic. Your message about the light is like reading first grade book.

[zsymon]

I did not oppose Lyghtkynge, I repeatedly said that his truth was valuable
and deep, I repeatedly paid my respects to him and told him that I admire
him for his zeal and knowledge. What I did on that thread, even though I've
explained this a hundred times, was warn people who are sensitive to very
negative forces, from following the deeply negative energies that Lyghtkynge
was spreading through the thread with his posts and his insults to others.

If I annoy you, then simply walk away and stop speaking to me, that will
take away the source of your annoyance. Or at least have the respect for
me that I showed you and Lyghtkynge, and continue the conversation with
me through private messages.

Me reporting you had nothing to do with me disliking you, I simply do not
want all my efforts ruined on this thread. I did not intend this to be a place
of rants, accusations and insults. I do not want you ending this thread up
in the rants section. Even my mentor, who has a tremendous love for all
and everything, will kick those off her forum who bring nothing but deeply
negative energies. Because what is the point of creating a space of love
and peaceful discussion, if someone comes along and destroys it intentionally?

Don't you have any idea why the moderators threw Lyghtkynge's thread
away into rants? Again you twist and turn my words into the total opposite
of what I actually said. I realize I am fueling you right now, so I will not
write any further replies to your insults. If you want me to reply, then send
me a private message.

[stanislav]

I did not oppose Lyghtkynge, I repeatedly said that his truth was valuable
and deep, I repeatedly paid my respects to him and told him that I admire
him for his zeal and knowledge. What I did on that forum, even though I've
explained this a hundred times, was warn people who are sensitive to very
negative forces, from following the deeply negative energies that Lyghtkynge
was spreading through the thread with his posts and his insults to others.

If I annoy you, then simply walk away and stop speaking to me, that will
take away the source of your annoyance. Or at least have the respect for
me that I showed you and Lyghtkynge, and continue the conversation with
me through private messages.

Me reporting you had nothing to do with me disliking you, I simply do not
want all my efforts ruined on this thread. I did not intend this to be a place
of rants, accusations and insults. I do not want you ending this thread up
in the rants section.

Don't you have any idea why the moderators threw Lyghtkynge's thread
away into rants?

Alright I will speak to you in private then. Ironically you never offered to help me to break the shackles of negativity solely because you view me belonging to the dark side. Like I said it's very simplistic if you think that all people are either that or the opposite.

[zsymon]

Alright I will speak to you in private then. Ironically you never offered to help me to break the shackles of negativity solely because you view me belonging to the dark side. Like I said it's very simplistic if you think that all people are either that or the opposite.

I offered to help anyone who contacts me with private messages. I wrote
down what I knew about the block release, and I offered anyone who was
interested to contact me and ask me what to do to have their past life
blocks released.

I never viewed you as belonging to the dark side, I don't make such calls,
it is not my task to judge who is dark or Light, I simply said that the energies
and emotions you are using when throwing insults and accusations, are not
Light. But the same counts for me if I were to throw insults back at you.

My offer of friendship counts for anyone who asks for my help, and that
includes you, but you never contacted me, and you never asked for my
help.

If you want my help releasing from your past life blocks, then that offer
still stands, and my offer of friendship to you, still stands as well. If you
want I will tell you everything there is to know about breaking the shackles
of our past lives, I will tell you how to contact my mentor to ask for the
healing and past life block removal, and I will talk with you as long as you
want, about anything you want, as long as you approach me as an equal,
without insult and accusation.

You will find me to be completely nonjudgemental, despite of our previous
problems, you will also find me to be unconditionally forgiving.

The ball is in your court my friend. :)

P.S.

It may sound simplistic that a soul is either Light or non light, but it is only
simple in theory. I have seen and experienced with my own eyes the exact
difference between Light souls and non light souls, I have learned that they
are equal in value, as both energies are needed to sustain the Universe, but
they are very different as well. But like I said, it is not for me to judge who
is Light and who is not, because it is almost impossible to make such a call
on Earth. Here, some non light souls are kind and peaceful, while some Light
souls can act vile and destructive, because of their wounds, blocks and their
traumas. I have never called you or Lyghtkynge non light, only the energies
you were using, were non light. Insult, anger and accusation, frustration and
even blatant hatred, were the energies of that thread that is now in rants.

[zsymon]

Other posts I wrote recently, for those who care:

Astral Travel: http://www.davidicke.com/forum/showthread.php?p=1059125700&posted=1#post1059125700
Planet Nibiru: http://www.davidicke.com/forum/showthread.php?p=1059128592&posted=1#post1059128592
Biblical Evil: http://www.davidicke.com/forum/showthread.php?p=1059128820#post1059128820
Love for Evil: http://www.davidicke.com/forum/showthread.php?p=1059128852#post1059128852
Harry Potter: http://www.davidicke.com/forum/showthread.php?p=1059128890#post1059128890
Elementals: http://www.davidicke.com/forum/showthread.php?p=1059129043#post1059129043
Light as non: http://www.davidicke.com/forum/showthread.php?p=1059129136#post1059129136

It's just that I love replying to feedback, I got nothing else to do.

[i_am]

Alright I will speak to you in private then. Ironically you never offered to help me to break the shackles of negativity solely because you view me belonging to the dark side. Like I said it's very simplistic if you think that all people are either that or the opposite.

What a good idea!

Please do not continue old and personal disagreements on thread.

Take it up by PM or go into chat and have it out rather than taking threads off topic.

Thanks guys :)

[mark1963]

Well, I do believe that humans are able to experience unconditional love. In
fact, it is our purpose to live our lives giving of unconditional love freely to
all life.. and to receive it as well ofcourse, with an open heart.

I agree that the true power of unconditional love energy, is far beyond what
we can understand with our human minds, here on Earth, but we can give of
and experience the power of unconditional love.

Simple by giving of your love freely, without placing conditions on it, such as
only loving your family or friends, or only loving people you like.. we can give
of unconditional love and make others experience it. If you love all life, and
all creatures, both animal, elemental and human, then you are within the
energy and power of unconditional love.

If you can love those that hate you, those that have hurt you, those that
insult you, those that ruin your life, those that you have never even met,
then that means to live with unconditional love, and to give it freely to all
and everything, without using any kind of excuse to not love someone or
something.

You see what I mean?

Giving of unconditional love means to give love always, even in the face of
intense negativity. For example, if someone is insulting you and shouting into
your face, instead of joining in with the negative energies and shouting back
at him, simply smile at him and apologize, tell him you understand his point
of view and ask him to try and understand your point of view as well. While
you do this, actively channel your unconditional love energy into the heart
of the one in front of you. You will be amazed at how quickly the situation
will change into a positive experience. The more you practice this, the more
your life will transform into a paradise.. with this power, which is beyond all
powers of negativity, you will be able to turn any negative situation into a
positive one..

But it does take practice, because we have been conditioned to always join
in with the negative energies, emotions, actions and thoughts, when they
occur to us.

P.S.

For those who are interested, I have made a new thread about my personal
and very recent experiences with the elementals, or nature spirits. It is here:

http://www.davidicke.com/forum/showthread.php?p=1059129043#post1059129043

I am quite proud of my experiences with them, even though I have met them
and have seen them only twice myself.

Excellent.:)

[zsymon]

Well, today I practiced some more with my pendulum. It continues to give
me correct answers to the question of which I know the answer, and it also
seems to give me correct answers on questions about life, but I have not
been able to make it work as a diviner.

I asked my father to write down a number from one to five, and then I asked
my pendulum what the number was. For each number I asked for a yes or a
no.

#1 - No
#2 - Yes
#3 - No
#4 - No
#5 - No

I repeated this and everytime it turned right for YES, at the number 2..
So I asked my dad what number he wrote, and it was number 5.. bleh! I
tried this several more times, but each time it gave me a very clear, yet
wrong answer. It never turned right twice, it only turned right at one
number.. so I know the pendulum works for real, it just gets the number
wrong.

Which makes me believe that it is not my higher self steering the pendulum,
but a trickster entity. So now I have to find a way to ground myself and to
protect the process from astral entities. I guess I will try to find some real
pendulum forums.

But apart from that, I find the whole thing extremely interesting. I did not
really expect the pendulum to work so good, always giving me a clear answer,
even though it is the real one when it comes to divining, like finding out a
number or something hidden.

[mark1963]

Well, today I practiced some more with my pendulum. It continues to give
me correct answers to the question of which I know the answer, and it also
seems to give me correct answers on questions about life, but I have not
been able to make it work as a diviner.

I asked my father to write down a number from one to five, and then I asked
my pendulum what the number was. For each number I asked for a yes or a
no.

#1 - No
#2 - Yes
#3 - No
#4 - No
#5 - No

I repeated this and everytime it turned right for YES, at the number 2..
So I asked my dad what number he wrote, and it was number 5.. bleh! I
tried this several more times, but each time it gave me a very clear, yet
wrong answer. It never turned right twice, it only turned right at one
number.. so I know the pendulum works for real, it just gets the number
wrong.

Which makes me believe that it is not my higher self steering the pendulum,
but a trickster entity. So now I have to find a way to ground myself and to
protect the process from astral entities. I guess I will try to find some real
pendulum forums.

But apart from that, I find the whole thing extremely interesting. I did not
really expect the pendulum to work so good, always giving me a clear answer,
even though it is the real one when it comes to divining, like finding out a
number or something hidden.

You have raised a good point there. I believe it is the person tied to the matrix that is the divinator.

You higher self, which is what you operate with now is above that (probably) and all other types of divination - astrology, tarot, runes, I-Ching, etc.

You might try just imagining the numbers going around and then one becomes highlighted automatically.

[zsymon]

Yeah I think you may be right.

I've asked my mentor how exactly the pendulum works, from a spiritual point
of view and from an energy point of view. I hope she will reply tonight, I need
to know the answer, and I am unable to connect with the answer myself at
this time, because of my emotions of frustration and disappointment. Times
like these remind me that my mind still sometimes manages to close my heart
for a little while, and allow negative emotions to enter my thoughts.

[bridgeeteyes]

- Normal dreams carry messages about lessons you missed during the day.
- Vivid dreams carry very important messages about your spiritual path and life.
- Lucid dreams carry messages about things that are going on right now.

We can try and control the dream, but then we are missing out on the messages.
Dreams aren't meant for us to do what we like and have fun in a different type of
consciousness. All three types of dreams are there to bring messages and help us
make the right decisions in life, help us understand ourselves and our lives, or even
bring us visions of the future.

But all this only counts for positive dreams. Nightmares carry no messages, they
are brought to us by the energies and forces of non light, to try and hold us in fear.
They often send you visions of a false future, filled with fear, doom and destruction.
Nightmares are best completely ignored, the moment your dream carries emotions
and feelings of fear, dread, anger, hatred and deep frustration, it is to be ignored,
because it does not come from the Light.

What utter nonsense, nightmares bring no message!! I have travelled further along my path facing the messages of "nightmares" as you call them than any love filled bliss dream. ( love filled bliss is a barrior, it does not lift until YOU turn your back on it and face your dual self, but you never WILL be able to reading this thread, it involves FACING those nightmares you try so hard to deny. ITS HARD, REAL HARD but I did it so others can.) Oh dear did a bad monster come get you? Drag you off somewhere? Dreams are dreams whatever their content, ALL contain messages, they are not from the "non light". STOP looking at things from this good light-evil dark stance you have, it is about polarity of + and -.



Nightmares are best completely ignored

Yes thats right, lets ignore one whole side of ourself! How ignorant and stupid can you be? Do you go to sleep at night and ignore the night? Do you ignore the dark?

[bridgeeteyes]

Please, I am trying to keep this thread as positively as I can,

Brilliant!!! I told you everything is about +/- in perfect balance. Do you see? Do you see what you are manifesting for yourself here? Bit like your precious unconditional love, you wish to manifest "positivity" but you are feeling "negativity", now why dont you go for +/- and go for the centre point between the two!!! Attempt to manifest the balance of the two, as long as you, and others like you harp on as you do, your threads polarity is exactly what you all bring to yourself.

[zsymon]

Oh come on, first Stanislav came here with what he learned from Lyghtkynge
about unconditional power, trying to derail this thread with sheer negativity,
and now you come here doing exactly the same.

Luckily I have been able to make peace with him, and I offered my heartfelt
friendship to him. He agreed to stop derailing my thread with negativity and
Lyghtkynge's destructive ideas, and I am extremely grateful to him for this,
maybe him and me will even become friends, who knows? Because I know for
a fact that he has a lot of unconditional love in his heart, it's hidden but it
is there, massive amounts of it. I will try and help him free it again, if he will
accept my help.

But..

I'm sure you have your experiences, and if you enjoy nightmares and negative
knowledge, then that is your choice, but I am not a follower of negative
knowledge as you must have already noticed.. I enjoy unconditional love and
forgiveness, compassion and positivity. If what I have to say does not count
for you, then please just disregard it without judging my experiences and then
bringing your anger and frustration to my thread.

You and Lyghtkynge have already managed to get your thread about that
concept of unconditional power thrown into the rants section, with the same
attitude you are using in my thread.. can't you see people do not enjoy being
judged and insulted like that?

If you want to bring your anger to me, then please use private messages or
meet me in the chatroom, I will not block you, I will speak with you in respect
of your experiences and beliefs, like I do with everyone. But please don't
derail this thread, which was meant to be a place of positivity and learning.
I have been able to help many people on this thread, dozens of people have
contacted me and I was able to offer them my friendship, and offer them the
healing they need to let go of the shackles of darkness, anger and hatred.

I asked a moderator to request of you to respect the positivity of this thread,
so please don't derail it further. Like I said, if you want my friendship, the offer
always stands, take it or leave it, but let go of your hatred if you want to post
here.

[mark1963]

Yeah I think you may be right.

I've asked my mentor how exactly the pendulum works, from a spiritual point
of view and from an energy point of view. I hope she will reply tonight, I need
to know the answer, and I am unable to connect with the answer myself at
this time, because of my emotions of frustration and disappointment. Times
like these remind me that my mind still sometimes manages to close my heart
for a little while, and allow negative emotions to enter my thoughts.

Have you asked your higher self for the answer.

Ask the question and immediately you will get an answer. It's rapid fire answers.

[zsymon]

The morphine I am taking is still blocking proper communication with my higher
self. That's why I'm using the pendulum, to give my higher self a more solid
way of communicating with me.

I can receive feelings about things, like about the future, about certain things
and concepts, especially when I am writing I receive messages, but if I ask
a straight question and wait for an answer, there is still only silence. I'm sure
it will get better when I am off the morphine though. I already managed to
cut the morphine by half, in a few months I should be free of medicine.

[bridgeeteyes]

Oh come on, first Stanislav came here with what he learned from Lyghtkynge
about unconditional power, trying to derail this thread with sheer negativity,
and now you come here doing exactly the same.

Luckily I have been able to make peace with him, and I offered my heartfelt
friendship to him. He agreed to stop derailing my thread with negativity and
Lyghtkynge's destructive ideas, and I am extremely grateful to him for this,
maybe him and me will even become friends, who knows? Because I know for
a fact that he has a lot of unconditional love in his heart, it's hidden but it
is there, massive amounts of it. I will try and help him free it again, if he will
accept my help.

But..

I'm sure you have your experiences, and if you enjoy nightmares and negative
knowledge, then that is your choice, but I am not a follower of negative
knowledge as you must have already noticed.. I enjoy unconditional love and
forgiveness, compassion and positivity. If what I have to say does not count
for you, then please just disregard it without judging my experiences and then
bringing your anger and frustration to my thread.

You and Lyghtkynge have already managed to get your thread about that
concept of unconditional power thrown into the rants section, with the same
attitude you are using in my thread.. can't you see people do not enjoy being
judged and insulted like that?

If you want to bring your anger to me, then please use private messages or
meet me in the chatroom, I will not block you, I will speak with you in respect
of your experiences and beliefs, like I do with everyone. But please don't
derail this thread, which was meant to be a place of positivity and learning.
I have been able to help many people on this thread, dozens of people have
contacted me and I was able to offer them my friendship, and offer them the
healing they need to let go of the shackles of darkness, anger and hatred.

I asked a moderator to request of you to respect the positivity of this thread,
so please don't derail it further. Like I said, if you want my friendship, the offer
always stands, take it or leave it, but let go of your hatred if you want to post
here.

You seem if you dont mind me saying obsessed with Lyghtkynge, what has he got to do with me voicing my opinions? You brought him up NOT me. Unlike you I have no mentor/guru. It is ME you are dealing with and MY opinions, so best get used to that idea NOW, stop obsessing with him as you do. I do find it funny that your type react so to what they dont have, you cant actually see you are obsessing with what you unknowingly seek...BALANCE. I have plenty of EXPERIENCE to counteract your polarity, and I shall voice it. It is not my problem that my experience of a balanced path WITH A HEART shatters your un balanced reflection you so tightly hold. See I am you but I am also your polarity. This is why I come to your thread , you just cant see it yet....maybe you never will. Trust me, there is NOTHING you cant tell ME about your beloved unconditional love and the heart .

Maybe I am your worst nightmare!! The nightmare that brings the cold truth. I'll try not to frighten you with my tales of monsters (!!) , by denying your other self your doing a good job at that anyway.

Your friendly new loving relationship with Stanislav is no concern of mine what so ever, it is also irrelevent, such comfy agreements kill free speech and progress. I do not do "chat rooms" or PMs, I prefer to keep things out in the open in the interest of balance. Your poor attempt to draw my posts underground has failed. You say your thread is about positivity and learning, what a joke, knowledge is NOT about learning about only one side of a circle (sphere). Man did not learn to walk on only one of his legs, he learnt to use and EXPERIENCE both.

I only hope the "MOD" you contacted in the interest of "respect" looks at why Icke set up his forum in the first place, it was NOT to shut up alternative opinions, it was to encourage them, to speak out at mass control, manipulation and blanket love and light, in order to hopefully wake the majority up. Mass unconditional love and light does NOT bring true enlightenment because it is NOT balanced . I even have an update from Icke somewhere where he speaks of how mass love and light is a lie! A method of deluding humanity.

I dont come here from friendship btw, so forget it, glad you and Stanislav have hit it off, but its not why i post, sorry to disappoint. I shall continue to post in the open if thats Ok with you, you can take alternative views cant you? Oohh I do hope so otherwise whats the point of a thread, arnt threads meant to be grounds for balanced discussions?? We all know what they call those that dont allow free speech dont we.

[blad4]

If you want to bring your anger to me, then please use private messages or
meet me in the chatroom, I will not block you, I will speak with you in respect
of your experiences and beliefs, like I do with everyone. But please don't
derail this thread, which was meant to be a place of positivity and learning.
I have been able to help many people on this thread, dozens of people have
contacted me and I was able to offer them my friendship, and offer them the
healing they need to let go of the shackles of darkness, anger and hatred.



most integrity i've seen on here for a while..

[blad4]

Oohh I do hope so otherwise whats the point of a thread, arnt threads meant to be grounds for balanced discussions?? We all know what they call those that dont allow free speech dont we.

Good point but your incessant sarcasm and rudeness when 'discussing' with someone much more polite and sensible than you is veeery telling of your own insecurities

[bridgeeteyes]

Alright I will speak to you in private then. Ironically you never offered to help me to break the shackles of negativity solely because you view me belonging to the dark side. Like I said it's very simplistic if you think that all people are either that or the opposite.

Poor show Stanislav, you are silenced and swayed too easily. If everyone did this, what are we to be left with?

[i_am]

Poor show Stanislav, you are silenced and swayed too easily. If everyone did this, what are we to be left with?

We are left with people who can discuss a subject rationally without resorting to insults, rudeness and sarcasm :rolleyes:

This is not a battlezone it is a forum where hopefully adults can discuss things without the need to belittle and antagonise.

[blad4]

We are left with people who can discuss a subject rationally without resorting to insults, rudeness and sarcasm :rolleyes:

This is not a battlezone it is a forum where hopefully adults can discuss things without the need to belittle and antagonise.

Said it way better than I can, tech advisor!!

[zsymon]

I would enjoy listening to your views on this thread, everyone's views are
valuable and worth listening to, if you would only leave behind your insults,
belittlement, anger and judgementality.

I ask you, in all respect, to either leave behind your intense negativity, or
take it to me in private messages or the private chatroom. Is that really
too much to ask?

[bridgeeteyes]

.

After I had made my first post on his thread, I received a handful of private
messages of people who had fallen for Lyghtkynge's teachings, who had
asked him to teach them meditation and other techniques, and these people
are still trying to become free of the negative entities and energies that had
attached themselves to them because of Lyghtkynge's advice. I could simply
not stay silent and I felt that I had to warn others from the same fate.




Lets just delve a little deeper into this shall we.

First off your title is misleading many to follow you in the hope of a Rapid
enlightenment/awakening, which does of course NOT exist. It takes the Real work over many life times to achieve total enlightenment which is by no means Rapid. So for the record your title is both misleading and delusional.

Also your advice to stop reading books of knowledge is absolute nonsense and quite dangerous and almost cult like. you are by denying people the right to read texts (many ancient and many wrote by far more enlightened individuals than zsymon and his mentor ). You even admit your mentor only speaks through her web site, again very dangerous as this is isolating a potential awakening person away from a vast area of knowledge in the interest of yours and your mentors so called love/light beings knowledge and teachings, sounds very new age to me and Im not interested in her in the slightest. I can do a search now and bring up hundreds of her type, but I can also do a search for ancient or texts of knowledge and get far more out of that. The issue is to discern! Read as much as you can, read texts from all areas then take from it was you discern as correct for you, to not read at all is just plain stupid and can only lead to an extreme and isolated view of your reality.

I have read many many books, I have also read free on line ancient texts and of course many forums. I have a large library of many books ranging from The Ra material, Eckhart Tolle, Deepak Chopra, ancient gnostic texts and gospels through to the many books of Carlos Castaneda and many many other metaphysical books of knowledge. Now of course I have discerned against some of the above, but without reading them I would never have developed the tool of discernment.

So I most strongly disagree with your "advice" on to stop reading, as Im sure most also would.

Now onto your so statement that it is Lyghtkynge and his negative techniques and knowledge that has brought nasty astral entities to people. This is of course complete nonsense and I will attempt to explain why, please pay attention ......first off the knowledge and techniques he shares are not his they just simply are, they come from the Will of the Divine . Unconditional Power IS Divine Will . He is sharing his knowledge of Unconditional Power through the Will of the Divine, but it is by no means "his" knowledge as you so wrongly label it.

Personal Power is the BOOST in energy derived from accessing the second field (the unknown) - don Juan Tales of Power p 161.

At all times a person MUST take responsability when accesing this field, something I will discuss below.

The first field is the "physical" with its thoughts, feelings, it is your personality of the known. The people that have contacted you about astral nasties have briefly entered the second field with its dreaming and psychic forces, they have entered the esssence of their Unknown, nothing to do with Lyghtkynge and I now hope they will see this a little better.

Lets say one of these people who contacted you about being visited by evil entities after speaking to Lyghtkynge is called Tom.

For many many years Tom has been asleep in his box. hes been there for many many lives, quite happy in his reflections and projections of his (un) real reality. Hes been in his bed dreaming, within his box undisturbed by the real for almost an eternity, and hes been quite happy there.

Then one day the energies of the real flow in to his box, very slowly of course to start with. he starts to feel them but remains in his dream. Then the energies of the awakening get a little stronger, Tom is starting to WAKE UP!!! which is of course the intent of the energies. (+ and - remember!)

Tom opens his eyes, he then sits up feeling energy all around him, within his box. he becomes interested in them, often they feel like pure love, almost bliss.

Finally Tom gets UP out of bed, Tom is waking up to these energies. He is still however very much confined to his box. With awakening comes a thirst to know who he is, why hes here, what is this reflection he sees in his box? he finds he can no longer find any more answers within his confined box, its full of swirling forces but he needs to seek out where they are coming from.

Tom sees a window, a small window in his box. Tom opens it and peeps out. Now what Tom doesnt realize is beyond this window is the mysterious unknown (quite frightening to a newly awakened Tom). The unknown, that which is beyond his present knowledge AND beliefs. It is a vast infinite world with infinite possibilites and hes just gone and opened his boxes window to it!! To understand these forces even slightly Tom is going to have to be brave and empty his cup, he is going to have to let go.

Now what flows in is absolutely everything and anything, all unknown to Tom. He is unable to control what comes in because what comes in is the infinite unknown.

No Lyghtkynge did not send these entities to the people that have contacted you, they were always there, just waiting for them to awaken. They are blaiming the messenger, when they should not. What do you people think awakening is about!!! No point awakening to something you already know about!!

Once our box window is open, all sorts comes in and it is OUR RESPONSABILITY to discern and take control of our own destiny and path. People NEED to take responsability for themselves and to STOP blaiming messengers such as Lyghtkynge. Of corse it is far easier to blaim others, that way you dont have to think, much easier to follow the mass and allow others to take responsability hey (kind of whats been going on for thousands of years...allowing others to TAKE RESPONSABILITY FOR YOUR REALITY!). I take total responsability for whatever I experience, and never would I blame another. It takes real guts to be responsable for yourself, something you do not have. You take the easy route of following and dishing out blame, then expect others to follow you in your insanity.

What you and others are experiencing is the ceiling of your box. You have filled it with the energies that come with an awakening, but now rather than take the next step you are stuck. Your stuck because you are NOW indulging in the blissful energies of an awakening, more blissful of course when channelled through the heart chakra. Your heart chakra is NOT for indulgence. The next step of awakening ASKS that you FACE the unknown outside your box, something the bliss is meant to balance you for, it is NOT for indulging in. Keep on pumping the energies through that heart chakra and it will turn round and BITE you so hard you'll soon wish you never had a heart chakra!!!!
Until you and others turn your back on the indulgence of your bliss and stand up you shall forever be stuck on the ceiling of your box. dont believe me? How many people do you read about that had A RAPID AWAKENING that suddenly came to a halt???!!! Hundreds if not thousands, they are all over these forums and it is a place you are at NOW and a place that you are attempting to lead others to. Shame on you. Dont lead others into your sealed container reality, they are attempting to get out of it, you on the other hand have been bought off with love and bliss by your "mentor".

[joeman_0]

I have to second zsymon's idea of "stop reading spiritual books" in favor of seeking the creator itself. I also learned this the hard way. I read too many books, and I became confused, spiritually pround, and opinionated. A lot of ancient Chinese books said that you cannot be enlightened without a teacher. I have my reasons:

That enlightenment is not as hard as you think. People think it is hard because they have been lied to. the knowledge has been suppressed on purpose.

The important thing to realize is to lay off the books and seek the Creator itself. You need the Creator to guide you through the process, and you have to learn to develop your "eyes and ears" in order to discern the instruction through your internal intuition and through external synchronicity.

If you don't have your spiritual eyes and ears, ask the Creator how.

Enlightenment is not the result of anything you do. Some people are enlightened without doing anything. It is by grace through faith. Faith doesn't mean believe in doctrines but it means trusting the Creator. The condition for receiving enlightenment is different for everyone. You have to find out what it is yourself. But you don't have to be perfect that's for sure.

You CAN read books, but you just make things a hell lot more complicated for yourself.

The reason for lots and lots Chinese books saying that you cannot be enlightened without a teacher is this: You generally will not find the most important information in books because people who are in the know are not allowed to reveal to people who are not ready. It would cause great harm to the person by circumventing their life purpose, and violates the natural evolution of things. Traditionally Spiritual teachers in China would teach students orally if one is considered ready. you will find that to be true as well in rest of the world.

[bridgeeteyes]

I have to second zsymon's idea of "stop reading spiritual books" in favor of seeking the creator itself. I also learned this the hard way. I read too many books, and I became confused, spiritually pround, and opinionated. A lot of ancient Chinese books said that you cannot be enlightened without a teacher. I have my reasons:

That enlightenment is not as hard as you think. People think it is hard because they have been lied to. the knowledge has been suppressed on purpose.

The important thing to realize is to lay off the books and seek the Creator itself. You need the Creator to guide you through the process, and you have to learn to develop your "eyes and ears" in order to discern the instruction through your internal intuition and through external synchronicity.

If you don't have your spiritual eyes and ears, ask the Creator how.

Enlightenment is not the result of anything you do. Some people are enlightened without doing anything. It is by grace through faith. Faith doesn't mean believe in doctrines but it means trusting the Creator. The condition for receiving enlightenment is different for everyone. You have to find out what it is yourself. But you don't have to be perfect that's for sure.

You CAN read books, but you just make things a hell lot more complicated for yourself.

The reason for lots and lots Chinese books saying that you cannot be enlightened without a teacher is this: You generally will not find the most important information in books because people who are in the know are not allowed to reveal to people who are not ready. It would cause great harm to the person by circumventing their life purpose, and violates the natural evolution of things. Traditionally Spiritual teachers in China would teach students orally if one is considered ready. you will find that to be true as well in rest of the world.


You say this because you have not learnt to DISCERN and also because you cant be bothered to learn how to. You have become confused because along the way you did not discern. Now your self if full of everything you ever read because you didnt throw away by discernment what you didnt need, you did that because you couldnt be bothered to think!

You became opinionated through your ego, you fed it more and more without spiritually discerning what was not required.

[academylin]

Lets just delve a little deeper into this shall we.

First off your title is misleading many to follow you in the hope of a Rapid
enlightenment/awakening, which does of course NOT exist. It takes the Real work over many life times to achieve total enlightenment which is by no means Rapid. So for the record your title is both misleading and delusional.

Also your advice to stop reading books of knowledge is absolute nonsense and quite dangerous and almost cult like. you are by denying people the right to read texts (many ancient and many wrote by far more enlightened individuals than zsymon and his mentor ). You even admit your mentor only speaks through her web site, again very dangerous as this is isolating a potential awakening person away from a vast area of knowledge in the interest of yours and your mentors so called love/light beings knowledge and teachings, sounds very new age to me and Im not interested in her in the slightest. I can do a search now and bring up hundreds of her type, but I can also do a search for ancient or texts of knowledge and get far more out of that. The issue is to discern! Read as much as you can, read texts from all areas then take from it was you discern as correct for you, to not read at all is just plain stupid and can only lead to an extreme and isolated view of your reality.

I have read many many books, I have also read free on line ancient texts and of course many forums. I have a large library of many books ranging from The Ra material, Eckhart Tolle, Deepak Chopra, ancient gnostic texts and gospels through to the many books of Carlos Castaneda and many many other metaphysical books of knowledge. Now of course I have discerned against some of the above, but without reading them I would never have developed the tool of discernment.

So I most strongly disagree with your "advice" on to stop reading, as Im sure most also would.

Now onto your so statement that it is Lyghtkynge and his negative techniques and knowledge that has brought nasty astral entities to people. This is of course complete nonsense and I will attempt to explain why, please pay attention ......first off the knowledge and techniques he shares are not his they just simply are, they come from the Will of the Divine . Unconditional Power IS Divine Will . He is sharing his knowledge of Unconditional Power through the Will of the Divine, but it is by no means "his" knowledge as you so wrongly label it.

Personal Power is the BOOST in energy derived from accessing the second field (the unknown) - don Juan Tales of Power p 161.

At all times a person MUST take responsability when accesing this field, something I will discuss below.

The first field is the physical with its thoughts, feelings, it is your personality of the known. The people that have contacted you about astral nasties have briefly entered the second field with its dreaming and psychic forces, they have entered the esssence of their Unknown, nothing to do with Lyghtkynge and I now hope they will see this a little better.

Lets say one of these people who contacted you about being visited by evil entities after speaking to Lyghtkynge is called Tom.

For many many years Tom has been asleep in his box. hes been there for many many lives, quite happy in his reflections and projections of his (un) real reality. Hes been in his bed dreaming, within his box undisturbed by the real for almost an iternity, and hes been quite happy there.

Then one day the energies of the real flow in to his box, very slowly of course to start with. he starts to feel them but remains in his dream. Then the energies of the awakening get a little stronger, Tom is starting to WAKE UP!!! which is of course the intent of the energies. (+ and - remember!)

Tom opens his eyes, he then sits up feeling energy all around him, within his box. he becomes interested in them, often they feel like pure love, almost bliss.

Finally Tom gets UP out of bed, Tom is waking up to these energies. He is still however very much confined to his box. With awakening comes a thirst to know who he is, why hes here, what is this reflection he sees in his box? he finds he can no longer find any more answers within his confined box, its full of swirling forces but he needs to seek out where they are coming from.

Tom sees a window, a small window in his box. Tom opens it and peeps out. Now what Tom doesnt realize is beyond this window is the mysterious unknown (quite frightening to a newly awakened Tom). The unknown, that which is beyond his present knowledge AND beliefs. It is a vast infinite world with infinite possibilites and hes just gone and opened his boxes window to it!! To understand these forces even slightly Tom is going to have to be brave and empty his cup, he is going to have to let go.

Now what flows in is absolutely everything and anything, all unknown to Tom. He is unable to control what comes in because what comes in is the infinite unknown.

No Lyghtkynge did not send these entities to the people that have contacted you, they were always there, just waiting for them to awaken. They are blaiming the messenger, when they should not. What do you people think awakening is about!!! No point awakening to something you already know about!!

Once our box window is open, all sorts comes in and it is OUR RESPONSABILITY to discern and take control of our own destiny and path. People NEED to take responsability for themselves and to STOP blaiming messengers such as Lyghtkynge. Of corse it is far easier to blaim others, that way you dont have to think, much easier to follow the mass and allow others to take responsability hey (kind of whats been going on for thousands of years...allowing others to TAKE RESPONSABILITY FOR YOUR REALITY!). I take total resonsability for whatever I experience, and never would I blame another. It takes real guts to be responsable for yourself, something you do not have. You take the easy route of following and dishing out blame, then expect others to follow you in your insanity.

What you and others are experiencing is the ceiling of your box. You have filled it with the energies that come with an awakening, but now rather than take the next step you are stuck. Your stuck because you are NOW indulging in the blissful energies of an awakening, more blissful of course when channelled through the heart chakra. Your heart chakra is NOT for indulgence. The next step of awakening ASKS that you FACE the unknown outside your box, something the bliss is meant to prepare you for, it is NOT for indulging in. Keep on pumping the energies through that heart chakra and it will turn round and BITE you so hard you'll soon wish you never had a heart chakra!!!!
Until you and others turn your back on the indulgence of your bliss and stand up you shall forever be stuck on the ceiling of your box. dont believe me? How many people do you read about that had A RAPID AWAKENING that suddenly came to a halt???!!! Hundreds if not thousands, they are all over these forums and it is a place you are at NOW and a place that you are attempting to lead others to. Shame on you. Dont lead others into your sealed container reality, they are attempting to get out of it, you on the other hand have been bought off with love and bliss by your "mentor".

Hello Bridgeeteyes,

This is an awesome post, I smiled from ear to ear when reading it!:)
I think I am with you, with the whole balance plus/minus thing, Zsy will or will not come round to this way of thinking, but as you say.... this is his choice.

Once the facts are presented literally and without scorn, disbelief or sarcasm ( which I must advise DO feature very heavily in a lot of your other posts - perhaps you are/were unaware of this?:rolleyes:) then again you are correct, it is then up to oneself to discern an attitude, perhaps re-frame or perhaps stay on the same tack..... People learn and discover at different times and with altering periods of intellectual progression, please don't get me wrong here, Szy.... It is overtly clear that you are an intelligent man.

I know that the cliche is let us agree to disagree..... but even that doesn't feature, it is simply a matter of discovery and remembering. Everybody goes through the phase of finalising a belief, a formula which is concrete.... or so they think.

New thinking or further thinking comes along, the mind opens a little further or a piece of information lands in your lap which causes a complete re-shuffle......... Open minds, smiley faces.... Listen, learn, love, hate, discern and share compassion. There's no point in taking offence at others opinions, or shouting at them till you are blue in the face in order that you try to change their views.

You/we can't do that. Only the discovery of themselves can.:)

[hadaka_jimmy]

1) and 4).

Essence of Zen. :cool:

[hadaka_jimmy]

The reason for lots and lots Chinese books saying that you cannot be enlightened without a teacher is this: You generally will not find the most important information in books because people who are in the know are not allowed to reveal to people who are not ready.

Most Buddhism esp. Ch'an is Dharma transmission and inka or certified Dharma heir seals can be sold in Japan.

The Transmission of the Lamp is key to the who Dharma transmission myth. I believe satori is available to everyone regardless of having a Master/Teacher. :cool:

[joeman_0]

You say this because you have not learnt to DISCERN and also because you cant be bothered to learn how to. You have become confused because along the way you did not discern. Now your self if full of everything you ever read because you didnt throw away by discernment what you didnt need, you did that because you couldnt be bothered to think!

You became opinionated through your ego, you fed it more and more without spiritually discerning what was not required.

wow wow wow. lots of judgment and assumption here.

you do not sound like someone who is anywhere near enlightenment.

"a man shall be judged by his fruit". In this whole thread, you sound bitter, angry, and confused.

luckily, I have gotten past the confused stage.

[joeman_0]

Most Buddhism esp. Ch'an is Dharma transmission and inka or certified Dharma heir seals can be sold in Japan.

The Transmission of the Lamp is key to the who Dharma transmission myth. I believe satori is available to everyone regardless of having a Master/Teacher. :cool:

of course, but I am not talking about Dharma transmission. Reading comprehension please. What I talked about has nothing to do with organized religion, such as a certain sect of Buddhism. Actually there are many different types of spiritual teachers. The most famous teachers of enlightenment are the martial artists actually. Listen to Bruce Lee when you get a chance. A lot of people resonate with him greatly. They often go through a lot of training / meditation and a very vigorous initiation process to avoid infiltration.

[blad4]

I have to second zsymon's idea of "stop reading spiritual books" in favor of seeking the creator itself. I also learned this the hard way. I read too many books, and I became confused, spiritually pround, and opinionated. A lot of ancient Chinese books said that you cannot be enlightened without a teacher. I have my reasons:

That enlightenment is not as hard as you think. People think it is hard because they have been lied to. the knowledge has been suppressed on purpose.

The important thing to realize is to lay off the books and seek the Creator itself. You need the Creator to guide you through the process, and you have to learn to develop your "eyes and ears" in order to discern the instruction through your internal intuition and through external synchronicity.

If you don't have your spiritual eyes and ears, ask the Creator how.

Enlightenment is not the result of anything you do. Some people are enlightened without doing anything. It is by grace through faith. Faith doesn't mean believe in doctrines but it means trusting the Creator. The condition for receiving enlightenment is different for everyone. You have to find out what it is yourself. But you don't have to be perfect that's for sure.

You CAN read books, but you just make things a hell lot more complicated for yourself.

The reason for lots and lots Chinese books saying that you cannot be enlightened without a teacher is this: You generally will not find the most important information in books because people who are in the know are not allowed to reveal to people who are not ready. It would cause great harm to the person by circumventing their life purpose, and violates the natural evolution of things. Traditionally Spiritual teachers in China would teach students orally if one is considered ready. you will find that to be true as well in rest of the world.

Truth right there, thanks joeman

[joeman_0]

1) and 4).

Essence of Zen. :cool:

Zen is very good at disciplining your ego, but Zen or Buddism in general doesn't help you integrating your shadow. Some Zen monks learned to sit still like a corpse for 20 years and have no result to show for it. Michael Tsarion said enlightenment will not come to you without shadow work, and after a lot of discernment on my part, :D I believe he is correct.

[bridgeeteyes]

This is an awesome post, I smiled from ear to ear when reading it!:)
I think I am with you, with the whole balance plus/minus thing, Zsy will or will not come round to this way of thinking, but as you say.... this is his choice.

Once the facts are presented literally and without scorn, disbelief or sarcasm ( which I must advise DO feature very heavily in a lot of your other posts - perhaps you are/were unaware of this?:rolleyes:) then again you are correct, it is then up to oneself to discern an attitude, perhaps re-frame or perhaps stay on the same tack..... People learn and discover at different times and with altering periods of intellectual progression, please don't get me wrong here, Szy.... It is overtly clear that you are an intelligent man.



My posts are what they are, thanks for noticing , but folks are free to percieve what they want from me, see unlike 99 % on here, I dont actually care what anyone thinks of me. Im not here for friends or love, chats and PMs or e mails. love is ineffective when true awakening is being dealt with, Im here to get across what you sensed within my above post. Do not attempt to change those you do not understand, it is you and everyone else on this thread that is percieving me as one of scorn and sarcasm , change your perception , do not attempt to change me.

Yes people learn at different times, but true learning is only achieved when love is lifted, not indulged in. The OP is teaching indulgence .

[academylin]

My posts are what they are, thanks for noticing , but folks are free to percieve what they want from me, see unlike 99 % on here, I dont actually care what anyone thinks of me. Im not here for friends or love, chats and PMs or e mails. love is ineffective when true awakening is being dealt with, Im here to get across what you sensed within my above post. Do not attempt to change those you do not understand, it is you and everyone else on this thread that is percieving me as one of scorn and sarcasm , change your perception , do not attempt to change me.

.
"Do not attempt to change those you don't understand"
I won't attempt to change anybody, ever..........

"change your perception "
Perhaps your orders should be better phrased?

, see unlike 99 % on here
And your figures are presumptious!

[bridgeeteyes]

"Do not attempt to change those you don't understand"
I won't attempt to change anybody, ever..........

good glad to hear it.

"change your perception "
Perhaps your orders should be better phrased?



Change how you perceive me, otherwise all you will do is continue to assume I am rude/sarcastic, but either way it doesnt matter to me.

99% ? yer about that.

[zsymon]

You say this because you have not learnt to DISCERN and also because you cant be bothered to learn how to. You have become confused because along the way you did not discern. Now your self if full of everything you ever read because you didnt throw away by discernment what you didnt need, you did that because you couldnt be bothered to think!

You became opinionated through your ego, you fed it more and more without spiritually discerning what was not required.

Bridgeteeyes,

First you start insulting me, and now you start insulting the other people on
this forum.. what is your purpose, what do you seek to achieve with all these
insults and attacks? Just like Lyghtkynge, you attack and insult everyone that
dares to disagree with you, anyone who's beliefs are opposite of yours, how
is this being awakened, how is this being conscious, how is this being aware?

Again I ask you to please either be civilized, or to use private messages to
attack those you feel the need to attack. The awakened mind knows respect,
knows acceptance that other people's truth are just as correct as yours,
knows that attacking and judging people serves nothing but your own spiritual
stagnation.

I admire the depth of your beliefs, but please be kind and respectful.. stop
telling people they are wrong, stop judging other people's beliefs.. there is no
such thing as an absolute truth with which you can judge everyone else.
Everyone's path is different, yet equally valuable to your own.. there is no one
right path that everyone should follow.. what is the point in telling someone
they are wrong, that their beliefs are wrong, that their path is wrong, if it is
a fact that their path will lead to the same place as yours, just over a different
road, and over a different time?

All paths of the Light lead to the same place, yet every path is different.

[merlincove]

The forum is naturally going to be a home to many people with differing opinions, and as such can become a place of deep debate.

And i think that is the way it should be :D

while members have a feeedom to express their opinions as a reflection of their own reality, often what is a fundamental personal consensus in their reality is not of concern to another who lives a different reality according to their own experience and understanding.

i would ask that members treat each other kindly and with respect and try not to attend to judgemental attitudes, but rather discuss the deeper concepts with a discourse toward furthering the thread topic.

we are all here to learn and to grow, it is our true purpose to think our way home, and to work such thoughts through into our lives and attain a place where we can tread our perceptions into reality and live in Higher Self awarenss, not only of who we are but who we are.

While differing perceptions prevail, it is only Ego that attends to banging down the preconceptions to an assertion that only One voice is right :D

Reality is ruled by the mind, and yet it is our heart that sets our mind free :D

Every journey is different, if they were all the same we'd all be home right now, and i'd ask that members respect each others' reality and not take judgemental stanses even though they may not agree with it :D

[exford]

The forum is naturally going to be a home to many people with differing opinions, and as such can become a place of deep debate.

And i think that is the way it should be :D

while members have a feeedom to express their opinions as a reflection of their own reality, often what is a fundamental personal consensus in their reality is not of concern to another who lives a different reality according to their own experience and understanding.

i would ask that members treat each other kindly and with respect and try not to attend to judgemental attitudes, but rather discuss the deeper concepts with a discourse toward furthering the thread topic.

we are all here to learn and to grow, it is our true purpose to think our way home, and to work such thoughts through into our lives and attain a place where we can tread our perceptions into reality and live in Higher Self awarenss, not only of who we are but who we are.

While differing perceptions prevail, it is only Ego that attends to banging down the preconceptions to an assertion that only One voice is right :D

Reality is ruled by the mind, and yet it is our heart that sets our mind free :D

Every journey is different, if they were all the same we'd all be home right now, and i'd ask that members respect each others' reality and not take judgemental stanses even though they may not agree with it :D

That has to be the biggest load of shite I've read on here in a long,long time.
How the hell did you ever get to become a moderator on here,the mind boggles????????




























only joking...........Excellent post!!!:D:D

[sh3lly]

geez, exford, I was gonna say...! lol

[verndewd]

That has to be the biggest load of shite I've read on here in a long,long time.
How the hell did you ever get to become a moderator on here,the mind boggles????????








only joking...........Excellent post!!!:D:D

he kept his subscription up for 5 years? :p

[i_am]

he kept his subscription up for 5 years? :p

haha! very funny dewd :D

A little light banter is always a good thing but lets not stray too far from the topic :)

[zsymon]

I already admitted that I was wrong when I told people to not read any books
about spirituality anymore. I explained in detail why I said this, because I had
to learn the hard way that you can learn a lot more from listening to your
heart, than to blindly believe everything you read in books, and I know many
people who have been led by their guides to refrain from reading books, even
if they have the ability to discern perfectly. Books can be helpful sure, but for
many people, especially if they read many spiritual books, it means a distraction
from their intended path and spiritual journey.

For many people their real spiritual journey only begins once they start looking
within and stop reading books. This was the case for me and everyone else I
know.

Like I said, I already admitted that I was wrong to tell people what not to do,
I repeated this in about two or three posts.. I agreed that some books can
indeed help us evolve our truth.

But I guess it was more convenient for you to ignore this fact.

Also, accepting and respecting the value of other people's views, does not
mean you have to read about it and accept their truth as your own.

[bridgeeteyes]

Also, accepting and respecting the value of other people's views, does not
mean you have to read about it and accept their truth as your own.

How you achieve the above Id really like to know!

How you manage to accept and respect anothers view without reading about it is kinda hard dont ya think?

This is what the art of DISCERNMENT is all about, to read/research/experience the all ( + and - energy) and then to DISCERN through this EXPERIENCE what it truth. Truth can not be discerned without a balanced experience, which in my opinion means experiencing all that is. Not just extremes of love, because where there is love there is always hate. They are polarities of ONE energy.

I, as you have, and others who follow you, have travelled the realm of so called unconditional love and then by travelling within its polarity I discerned unconditinal love to be a fake controlling concept. This discernment can only be achieved once one steps out of extreme polarities and experiences others. THEN the middle path should be walked.

You ask for my respect. I have travelled your world, your unconditional love of the heart, I fully immersed myself within it for several years. You shall receive my respect when you do the same...that is immerse your self in its polarity of hate. Then I shall respect you, until then I shall not.

[merlincove]

You ask for my respect. I have travelled your world, your unconditional love of the heart, I fully immersed myself within it for several years. You shall receive my respect when you do the same...that is immerse your self in its polarity of hate. Then I shall respect you, until then I shall not.

imo RESPECT needs to be a default setting, a basic human understanding.

Respect shouldn't be standardised or pedastaled as something to be earned.

Respect is the foundation for higher awareness, without it we are trully lost.

With heathy respect for one and other there would be no race hate, no crime, no war, no fear, no hunger, no tyranny, no ego, no oppression, no upset.

By atending to respect we can rid ourselves and our world of evil.

Respecting one and other is key to our eternal salvation, wothout it we are trully lost.

[bridgeeteyes]

… WILL END THE CONTROL SYSTEM

The David Icke Newsletter Goes Out On Sunday

...Everything looks very different once you are touched by the Truth Vibrations. I can see so clearly today those attuning to the new energetic resonance and those who are still welded to the old. This is the parting of the ways, the fork in the road, that I talk about.
One enormous irony in all this is that I know people who are completely controlled by the old vibration - the Control System vibration - while talking endlessly about 'love and light', 'I love everyone' and 'people must wake up'.
They think they are awakening (no, awakened) to the new vibration when they are expressions of the dying embers of the old that will play out to its conclusion in the next few years. I see people talking about love while being totally devious and self-serving; they talk about giving and loving everyone when me, me, me is the only show in town.
The Truth Vibrations are not a talking, they are a being, a doing. Condemning the system and then using it for your own ends whenever it suits you is not the Truth Vibrations - it is that which they are sweeping away. The Truth Vibrations are bringing to the surface all that has been hidden and so the fake self-identities that hide behind 'love and light' and other personality fronts while serving the Control System will find that their masks will suddenly lift ...
... We are in for so many shocks and surprises in the next few years as we see people who project a fake image for what they really are. This includes, indeed most especially includes, the reptilian-human hybrid bloodline families behind the Control System

Above quote from newsletter March 2010.

LOVE AND LIGHT with its UNCONDITIONAL LOVE is part of the OLD VIBRATION, that of control, manipulation and slavery. Not ONE of you love lot is total in your comittment to your so called unconditional love, with its love is all cermons. Your love is CONDITIONAL, ALL love is conditional....love me...love me but you MUST love me back...give me more love more more love NOW. Me ,Me, Me I want, I need and I crave love, and then I just need more love. You will never get enough love. When you, if you do, realize this you shall be set free, but until then you all shall remain a slave to the Masters behind the system of human love .

LOVE and LIGHT serves the system well and you lot just all blindly play along, why do you think this web site was set up ?? Not to project yet more love, we dont need any more of that energy (which includes its polarity of hate), we need the energy of freedom (its got another name as you well know but seems thats off limits round here). You are ALL slaves to your LOVE and you just cant see this, the above was sent by THIS website, yet I Am seen as the bad one for supporting it!! Why are you all even on this web site??

WILL WILL END THE CONTROL SYSTEM

[ekim]

bridgeeteyes,

I understand what you mean, it is something I realized quite some time ago. I have been to otherworlds and halfway between many times and never once did I feel any emotion, it only exsists in this world. Light and non-light are concepts of the mind/ego as are all emotions. Our true being created this world for that purpose, to experience duality, to experience physical creativity. Our freedom lies in realizing this, in "seeing" that we are not physical beings trapped in this world but beings exsisting in all worlds. This knowing was lost to most people and those who retained this knowledge have kept it for themselves as they were taken over by the mind. This is all comming to an end as the blinds are disapearing and these otherworlds are merging once again. Those resistant to the comming changes will have a strugle to comprehend what is happening as their own fear of the unknown will cause them to think "non-light" or evil beings are comming to take over. The truth I have come to know is that these things i have seen and will continue to see is the world as we once knew it. Giant snakes, elves, half animal half human beings, ect,ect, are not just beings of fairy tales and the like, they are real and for most people they spark fear and most fear is associated with evil". There is no such thing outside of the mind. It is only when people become objective, and just experience without the mind that fear is lost and things are seen for what they really are.

The heart has been associated with love for far too long and has been that way for a reason. We can see things as they are with our heart but it has nothing to do with love, it's about loss of mind. When the mind is taken out of the picture and left to do what it was meant to do, we can make a connection between our heart and our eyes and see the true nature of reality. Here lies our freedom, the realization that we created this world and continue to, not out of love or hate but out of a need to express our creativity.

Fear is such a powerful tool that seems to be applied to almost everything in this world. I won't conform to anything based on fear. Such things are the belief in "love and light" because they imply that if you don't find love and light you have to answer to the opposite. If something causes you to create fear within yourself it's a good sign you have been lied to. Death is a prime example, when someone's life is threatened by death a fear is created in the mind, a fear of the unknown, a fear that you will no longer exsist. It's a lie.

Emotions are meant to be experienced, they are not meant to control.

[nectars]

While I've found no need to comment in this thread, I feel I have to point a couple of things out regarding the above posts. The first is that even though I dont go for the whole "Love and Light" nonsense, I feel that you(bridgeeteyes) have a rather flimsy in not non-existent grasp of the difference contextually in what constitutes "conditional" and "unconditional" love. I'm not volunteering to explain it to you, but to "throw you a bone", "unconditional love" isn't refering to a feeling -let alone a human conception of a feeling. The use of the word "love" is merely to convey a basic feelingness towards the direction of whats being spoken of.

I also notice that you seem to be of the same school of thought as the member lyghtkynge(and missing the same propensity to descriminate basic Truth from Falsehood), so you may find the following thread more to your taste than attempting to invalidate anothers experience through ignorance. For your pleasure - Unconditional Power(CLICKY) (http://www.davidicke.com/forum/showthread.php?t=124849)

Something else to play with... if looked at honestly, its found that "Individual Potent Free Will"(that is what your refering to?) does not exist...

[bridgeeteyes]

I also notice that you seem to be of the same school of thought as the member lyghtkynge you may find the following thread more to your taste For your pleasure - Unconditional Power(CLICKY) (http://www.davidicke.com/forum/showthread.php?t=124849)




You, like everyone else is shaking in your shoes at the word Power. You are unable to overcome your ignorance, and instead give in to your programming.

Unconditional Power = Divine Will.

Divine Power supersedes all forms of personal power. It is the Spirit governing our steps.

The desire to express personal power gained through control of others and the environment, rather than to deepen awarness is a CORRUPT POWER. It does not lead to the deepening of awarness, through expanding awarness personal power increases. It is this personal power that brings higher awarness and higher knowledge


Ken Smith - Toltec Author, Member of Association for Research and Enlightenment and also serves at the Monroe Institute . ( founded by of course Robert Monroe)


Unconditional Power is just that because it is Divine.

What K Smith is saying, is exactly the same as what is discussed in the thread you linked to. The fact that the persuit of Power to control others within MATTER is corrupt , and that true personal power is gained through expanding awarness into the higher realms.

The David Icke snip I posted is refering EXACTLY to the CORRUPT POWER we now find ourselves slaves to, it is highly relevant to this thread, as this thread imo is based on new age love and light, of which the Icke snip warns is a frequency of the OLD CONTROL VIBRATION.

Like I say, why are you even on this web site when its updates quite clearly state the hidden truth all around us, that the OPs love and light is the very thing that is controlling us.

Im not saying the OP is corrupt, I am saying he , like millions of others is upon awakening being put quickly back to sleep again under the control system of love and light by the Masters that so cleverly run it.

… WILL END THE CONTROL SYSTEM

The David Icke Newsletter Goes Out On Sunday

...Everything looks very different once you are touched by the Truth Vibrations. I can see so clearly today those attuning to the new energetic resonance and those who are still welded to the old. This is the parting of the ways, the fork in the road, that I talk about.
One enormous irony in all this is that I know people who are completely controlled by the old vibration - the Control System vibration - while talking endlessly about 'love and light', 'I love everyone' and 'people must wake up'.
They think they are awakening (no, awakened) to the new vibration when they are expressions of the dying embers of the old that will play out to its conclusion in the next few years. I see people talking about love while being totally devious and self-serving; they talk about giving and loving everyone when me, me, me is the only show in town.
The Truth Vibrations are not a talking, they are a being, a doing. Condemning the system and then using it for your own ends whenever it suits you is not the Truth Vibrations - it is that which they are sweeping away. The Truth Vibrations are bringing to the surface all that has been hidden and so the fake self-identities that hide behind 'love and light' and other personality fronts while serving the Control System will find that their masks will suddenly lift ...
... We are in for so many shocks and surprises in the next few years as we see people who project a fake image for what they really are. This includes, indeed most especially includes, the reptilian-human hybrid bloodline families behind the Control System

You must have the WILL to end the control system, love just dont work. Sorry, but like Icke says We are in for so many shocks and surprises in the next few years , looks like you just got one. Dont react to my posts with fear, Im only quoting Icke remember. Read what ekim has so nicely written about fear.

[bridgeeteyes]

Fear is such a powerful tool that seems to be applied to almost everything in this world. I won't conform to anything based on fear. Such things are the belief in "love and light" because they imply that if you don't find love and light you have to answer to the opposite. If something causes you to create fear within yourself it's a good sign you have been lied to. Death is a prime example, when someone's life is threatened by death a fear is created in the mind, a fear of the unknown, a fear that you will no longer exsist. It's a lie.

Emotions are meant to be experienced, they are not meant to control.


Wise words, very wise words.

[zsymon]

Bridgeteeyes, if you had ever experienced the emotion and energy of
unconditional love, you would not be using hatred, anger and insult
now to try and convince others that your truth is the only truth.

If you would know what unconditional love is, to give freely of love to
every being, without placing conditions on your love, as your are doing
now in every post you make (you're only friendly to those who agree
with you), then you would be showing respect, acceptance and love
to everyone here on this forum.

Yet you use hatred to express yourself in every post, so please don't
tell me you have walked the path of unconditional love, because you
have not. Have you ever loved someone who hurt you, have you ever
loved a total stranger that punched you in the face? Because only in
such situations is our ability to love unconditionally, truly tested.

You say unconditional love doesn't exist, but at the same time you
say you have walked the path of unconditional love, aren't you really
contradicting yourself there?

Unconditional love can be complicated, but it can also be very simple
and easy. If a person can turn his worst enemy into his best friend,
then that is unconditional love, if you meet a stranger that punches
you in the face and breaks your nose, and the next day you find the
same person lying in a ditch with a broken leg, will you laugh at him
or will you help him out of the ditch and call an ambulance? These are
expressions of unconditional love.

There are people who are selfless like this, who will help those who
have harmed them, and that is proof that unconditional love exists.
Unconditional love is not some complicated metaphysical concept, it
is a very simple emotion, a very simple feeling, a very simple energy,
and it is expressed by people on this planet every day again.

Unconditional love simply means to give of love freely to everyone,
without placing conditions on your love.. that is all it means, nothing
more and nothing less. The moment you hate someone, you step out
of unconditional love.. and hatred is something you constantly express
on this forum.

[opas23]

This thread has to be one of my all time favourites on this forum...a very enjoyable read indeed.

Here's a two penneths worth thrown into the mix by way of adding to the entertainment already provided by individuals appearing to be possibly one sided:~

Oneness (or which ever word suits at the moment) is already whole and complete in it's totality. So, obviously, because of this simple fact, all and everything that is occuring, is one.

If however, there appears a separate choice maker who believes they can, under their own will, avoid oneness or life in it's totality then their life would appear to have certain conditions based, obviously, in fear.

If there is a falling into life in all it's entirety and wholeness, then it is simply and glaringly obvious that there are no conditions or separate choosers who ever existed other than those one sided, scared, identified, separate people, who dare not let go and still cling to that which they think will save them and all who they believe they can save.

Being unconditional, life includes all.

And included in that all, is the continuation and belief in a purpose to work towards whilst trying to dodge your own death before your life's work be done.

You who cling to hope, purpose and meaning are simply avoiding their equal and inclusive opposites.

Fun watching your squirming and righteousness clinging to only what you feel you need in order to avoid the very thing you desire...death (of the one who needs purpose ad infinitum...)

There may be a great lesson in here for you.

This post is not directed specificallly at you unless paranoia tells you otherwise!

Keep up the show...or have it all collapse on top of you.

No~one cares.

Opas23.

;)

[zsymon]

Well, saying that there is no actual purpose in life, is just an assumption,
a theory, an opinion. My opinion is that if there were no purpose in life, in
existence itself, then there would only be a void.

Purpose creates, without purpose there is nothing, therefor all life, all souls,
all existence, has purpose. Death is nothing to be feared, it is just another
transition, the ending of the physical and the beginning of the spiritual. We
are immortal souls, and we incarnate with a purpose, at least in my opinion.
When we die we return to a life as purely spiritual beings, to prepare for yet
another life in the physical, another incarnation.

If there were no purpose in life, we would not be incarnating into the physical,
we would just stay in the spiritual, as spirit beings, as souls, for all eternity.
If there were no purpose in existence itself, then we would not exist, because
purpose creates existence.

The purpose can be different for some souls.. some souls come to Earth to
block the flow of Light and the intended evolution, and other souls come to
Earth to restore and heal the flow of Light and intended evolution. Some live
to serve themselves, others live to serve others than themselves..

..but all have purpose.. without purpose, there would not be life.
The existence of life, in my opinion, proves that there is purpose.

[opas23]

Yes exactly!

You believe that you must have something to work towards and become something else along the way because oneness is playing the game as identifying itself as little old you. That's all.

You still think you are someone who can do and act and think and save whilst trying to avoid the opposite of those.

At the end of the day it's just life appearing as life will.

True compassion in it's clearest and obvious of expressions, is a destroyer of all that is false or erroneous. And that simply means the you who thinks they have something separate to do called purpose!

The story dare not be dropped for fear of the totality happening which will absolutely and compassionately kill the you you are identifying with.

There's no problem with that here and never has been.

Life is all that is, and not any avoidance of that will stop the meaninglessness of it.

When all this drops for the you you call and identify as yourself, then, and only then, will the final piece of the jigsaw fall into place.

Until then, purpose will be clung to by a separate seeker who believes they have a personal history (his story) of choices which brought them here along a road in time their mind constanly creates by promising a reason or purpose to fulfill.

Just let it drop man! lol

I love ya brother. :)

Opas23.

[zsymon]

Well, some think purpose exists, some don't.. they are just two different
opinions. Personally I think a life without purpose is sad and lonely and
even if my human mind cannot comprehend the deeper layers of the truth
about the Universe, about Creation, I much prefer to believe in purpose.

:)

[opas23]

I agree!

'Mind' or the identity has a preference towards a belief in order to perpetuate it's own authority by promising to become this or that within mind's counterpart 'time'.

The deeper layers which you cannot comprehend are as simple as seeing that: there are no deeper levels at all anywhere other than the plain everyday occurance right now as life is happening.

Because this is so simple, the mind turns towards the belief in purpose, which seems to draw the identity away from the stark and obvious presence now, and now, and now, and now etc. etc.

Mind also thinks that right here without purpose is sad and lonely etc. in order (again) to draw consciousness away (or pretend to) from this obvious simplicity here.

The identity can only imagine or think (minding) what something may be like rather than simply STOPPING!

But the momentum is very very strong with certain identities to skip this quickly because of the idea it may have.

You are always invited in to see the obvious in all it's simplicity but what seems to overlay that is the appearance of a purposeful individual thinking that they can rely on 'purpose' to avoid the thought of sad and lonely etc.

Simples!

:)

[academylin]

I agree!

'Mind' or the identity has a preference towards a belief in order to perpetuate it's own authority by promising to become this or that within mind's counterpart 'time'.

The deeper layers which you cannot comprehend are as simple as seeing that: there are no deeper levels at all anywhere other than the plain everyday occurance right now as life is happening.

Because this is so simple, the mind turns towards the belief in purpose, which seems to draw the identity away from the stark and obvious presence now, and now, and now, and now etc. etc.

Mind also thinks that right here without purpose is sad and lonely etc. in order (again) to draw consciousness away (or pretend to) from this obvious simplicity here.

The identity can only imagine or think (minding) what something may be like rather than simply STOPPING!

But the momentum is very very strong with certain identities to skip this quickly because of the idea it may have.

You are always invited in to see the obvious in all it's simplicity but what seems to overlay that is the appearance of a purposeful individual thinking that they can rely on 'purpose' to avoid the thought of sad and lonely etc.

Simples!

:)

Good Grief Opas..........

Wait till Bridgeteyes gets her teeth into that!

[bridgeeteyes]

Bridgeteeyes, if you had ever experienced the emotion and energy of
unconditional love, you would not be using hatred, anger and insult
now to try and convince others that your truth is the only truth.

If you would know what unconditional love is, to give freely of love to
every being, without placing conditions on your love, as your are doing
now in every post you make (you're only friendly to those who agree
with you), then you would be showing respect, acceptance and love
to everyone here on this forum.

Yet you use hatred to express yourself in every post, so please don't
tell me you have walked the path of unconditional love, because you
have not. Have you ever loved someone who hurt you, have you ever
loved a total stranger that punched you in the face? Because only in
such situations is our ability to love unconditionally, truly tested.

You say unconditional love doesn't exist, but at the same time you
say you have walked the path of unconditional love, aren't you really
contradicting yourself there?

Unconditional love can be complicated, but it can also be very simple
and easy. If a person can turn his worst enemy into his best friend,
then that is unconditional love, if you meet a stranger that punches
you in the face and breaks your nose, and the next day you find the
same person lying in a ditch with a broken leg, will you laugh at him
or will you help him out of the ditch and call an ambulance? These are
expressions of unconditional love.

There are people who are selfless like this, who will help those who
have harmed them, and that is proof that unconditional love exists.
Unconditional love is not some complicated metaphysical concept, it
is a very simple emotion, a very simple feeling, a very simple energy,
and it is expressed by people on this planet every day again.

Unconditional love simply means to give of love freely to everyone,
without placing conditions on your love.. that is all it means, nothing
more and nothing less. The moment you hate someone, you step out
of unconditional love.. and hatred is something you constantly express
on this forum.

zsymon, zsymon you come across as a poor child. I see you crying out, searching, needing, wanting and demanding your creator to come save you. Then like the child you are, you hit out in a tantrum when your creator does not come in the form you expect. You hit out at those that show you the error of your needy want of your creator and accuse them of anger, hatred and lies.

zsymon, now listen, pay attention please or you shall forever remain the child you are, forever demanding me,me,me as toddlers always do in their cribs. Can you not see that I have indeed walked within your so called unconditional love (dont exist but to make this easier I will use your terms), can you not see that I am you but that I also bring your reflection?

Do you not think my heart has not burst open to the flow of bliss that you feel,and that I have felt as if I have been to every corner of the Universe within a single instant. That the love was so blissful I felt it through every cell in my body, forever flowing in a heavenly direction, flowing through my body up through my fingers and out of my crown in such as way that I felt as I reached up I was actually touching the Divine.

Do you not think I gave to everyone this love around me? do you not think it was so overpowering all I could do was give it away? I gave it away, I loved everyone and everything. My heart bled so it hurt zsymon. Its began to hurt so much I ended up HATING IT. Never EVER accuse me of not understanding the path of so called "unconditional love", never EVER accuse me of lies and certainly not of understanding basic metaphysical concepts.

Yes the love feels so "unconditional" dont it, you think your touching God dont you (yes you do, dont lie to me) but sorry zsymon all you are feeling is the max point, the point at the top of your boxes ceiling, your box container has become saturated...all you are doing is touching its ceiling, soon you shall become aware you are stuck, stuck within the bliss barrior. You now must STEP out of your box and face the polarity of what you've spent FAR too long indulging in. Its a big shock, once you step out, takes a while to equilibrate, you'll most probably blaim others for sending you nasty creatures or something but hey do I care?

My love excursion was done under the "guidance" of a mentor just like yours (of which btw Im sick to death of hearing about, my mentor this, my mentor that...for pittys sake zsymon give it a rest, your starting to come across as some love sick sad needy creature unable to stand alone) Yes I had a mentor, who suprisingly was JUST like yours. Funny thing is this mentor over time turned into a control freak. ( my mentor turned out to be Illuminati, most are of course, corrupt to the core) Just as yours will and all the other new age mentors out there. YOUR mentor needs you more than you know! Shes made it look the other way round of course, that you need her but the truth is your feeding her (Yikes !!) I have no mentor, my energy is my own, never will I allow it to be used in such a way ever again (to be used in a corrupt way within matter, JUST as yours is being used but ya cant see it for the haze of love love love)

OH please dont lecture me on the usual crap you lot come out with, your definitions of so called unconditional love are pathetic and I see through them all, that being that youd give your all to the man who broke your nose, give your house to some murderer and then youd live in a shed, youd willingly make your own mother homeless inorder for some child molester to live in her house because to do so is unconditional!! ( examples of what is along the same lines as yours)

Your unconditional love IS a lie, I know because Ive been there and its just an energy which YOU must discern and then LIFT in order to move on.

btw you do know you have more chakras than the heart dont you? just checking because its unbalancing to say the least to just use one wouldnt you say!!


If you would know what unconditional love is, to give freely of love to
every being, without placing conditions on your love, as your are doing
now in every post you make (you're only friendly to those who agree
with you), then you would be showing respect, acceptance and love
to everyone here on this forum.

Dont give a dam about you or anyone else on this forum and I sure dont have "love" for ya. As I told nectars yesterday love just dont cut it . Ive already spoken to you about respect. That being that once you visit other energies apart from bliss I WILL respect you, until then you'll get none from me.

[blad4]

That the love was so blissful I felt it through every cell in my body, forever flowing in a heavenly direction............

........... Its began to hurt so much I ended up HATING IT.

You do realise that whole post of yours was so paradoxical, and made little or no sense.

I can appreciate you may well have been stuffed by your own mentor, but your attitude to others and demented form of advice is startlingly full of hatred, and is not only useless to anyone reading, but also a waste of time and energy for yourself.

I wish you well, and hope you choose to look more inwardly for help rather than hoping to achieve from such spiteful and pointless posts.

[bridgeeteyes]

You do realise that whole post of yours was so paradoxical, and made little or no sense.

I can appreciate you may well have been stuffed by your own mentor, but your attitude to others and demented form of advice is startlingly full of hatred, and is not only useless to anyone reading, but also a waste of time and energy for yourself.

I wish you well, and hope you choose to look more inwardly for help rather than hoping to achieve from such spiteful and pointless posts.


There is none so blind than those that can not see (YOU)

Your reply above as shown me just how ignorant of Universal energies you really are. Proving to me how dead your self is to all that is around it. I have little time for your type, best get back in your pen.

I can appreciate you may well have been stuffed by your own mentor

Yer just like your hidden mentors are stuffing you , oh your funny you dont even realize what you are saying!!

[nectars]

Some interesting comments opas.

The issue "I" personally have with this is its(the "I"s) ability to self-sustain. Recently days have gone by with no~thing(no thoughts, feelings, reactions, opinions etc) but a blissful state of peace in "what is" yet all of a sudden the voice rears up and goes ape$hit for no apprarent reason. This isn't found to be too much of an issue yet I have noticed "it" seems to treat personal relationships as an "easy in" to resurrect itself. Deep seated "feelings" seem to be the main obstacle even though they can be let go of by simply being aware of them and treating them as passing clouds. The Mind although a useful tool is proving to be a pain in the a$$.

[blad4]

but a blissful state of peace in "what is" yet all of a sudden the voice rears up and goes ape$hit for no apprarent reason.

Yes, it's almost as if such good progress is being made it suddenly leaves space for one thought or voice or problem to just manifest itself even stronger than it would normally, in an abyss of the normal thoughts

Congratulations on achieving what you have so far though, even one solid day of the kind is a huge achievement, IMO of course

[blad4]

There is none so blind than those that can not see (YOU)


Sorry, what can I not see?

Your opinion??

What are you even saying here lol.. the fact that you cannot appreciate another's opinion and harass them, and then accuse me of being blind because I point this out? Right...


Yer just like your hidden mentors are stuffing you , oh your funny you dont even realize what you are saying!!

And what are you talking about now? What mentor? I have no mentors whatsoever.. you strange person.

Quick recap as well, you basically said in your long post.. you witnessed 'unconditional love'

But you grew to hate it..

WTF?

Good luck

[nectars]

Yes, it's almost as if such good progress is being made it suddenly leaves space for one thought or voice or problem to just manifest itself even stronger than it would normally, in an abyss of the normal thoughts

Exactly.

Congratulations on achieving what you have so far though, even one solid day of the kind is a huge achievement, IMO of course

Thanks, but I really dont feel like I have any say in the matter. Its as though even the "I" keeps re-realizing(?) this in the midst of turmoil to the extent that apparent "choice of identification" with "w/e" seems out of "my" hands. One moment "this", the next "that"; its as though I'm being presented with options or situations to see what happens while someone sits at the back giggling about the absurdity of it all... What I have noticed with this though is that the notion of "trying" is always appearing.

On rereading it this post feels a bit all over the place with contradictions. Feels like I'm being toyed with tbh but bugger it lol

[blad4]

On rereading it this post feels a bit all over the place with contradictions. Feels like I'm being toyed with tbh but bugger it lol

Uncanny thing is .. that's what it feels like!! We are torn between permenant bliss and temporary setbacks! Hah..

Ok lemme re-read it and make more sense out of it :P

[blad4]

Thanks, but I really dont feel like I have any say in the matter. Its as though even the "I" keeps re-realizing(?) this in the midst of turmoil to the extent that apparent "choice of identification" with "w/e" seems out of "my" hands. One moment "this", the next "that"; its as though I'm being presented with options or situations to see what happens while someone sits at the back giggling about the absurdity of it all... What I have noticed with this though is that the notion of "trying" is always appearing.


The funny thing about that is it is like we naturally analyse it that way, because it seems logical to us, ironically not only do we have the problem which you word very well by the way, but I also feel the insecurity of achieving this point of overanalysis and think, 'DAMN now it's trivialised' and I can't progress!

Funny eh.. but the plus side I think if we can sincerely disconnect from that, there is only one place to go, and that is up right?

Another irony is simply how hard the solution must be, but yet how simple and exclusively individual our goal is! Rofl.

[opas23]

Some interesting comments opas.

The issue "I" personally have with this is its(the "I"s) ability to self-sustain. Recently days have gone by with no~thing(no thoughts, feelings, reactions, opinions etc) but a blissful state of peace in "what is" yet all of a sudden the voice rears up and goes ape$hit for no apprarent reason. This isn't found to be too much of an issue yet I have noticed "it" seems to treat personal relationships as an "easy in" to resurrect itself. Deep seated "feelings" seem to be the main obstacle even though they can be let go of by simply being aware of them and treating them as passing clouds. The Mind although a useful tool is proving to be a pain in the a$$.

Hey nectars,

Yes, there appears to be a tendency towards one side over another. But, there are no two sides in reality, unless there's an attachment to a story about what naturally happens.

Perhaps there is no two of yous...one in bliss, then, later on, one in turmoil at the bliss not being there! lol

It's a very convincing story with the central and imagined character believed to be something other than just another thought. lol

Wholeness or clarity (insert your favoured word at the moment) is boundlessly inclusive, which, ofcourse, anything can and will happen in and as itself.

This has been pointed out by another poster in this thread in a very enthused and refreshingly nondualistic way.

No~one ever said you had to like it! lol

Opas23.

;)

[bridgeeteyes]

Sorry, what can I not see?

Your opinion??

What are you even saying here lol.. the fact that you cannot appreciate another's opinion and harass them, and then accuse me of being blind because I point this out? Right...

No I am telling you you cant see what is written before you, it is you who assume Im harassing you .



And what are you talking about now? What mentor? I have no mentors whatsoever.. you strange person.

Quick recap as well, you basically said in your long post.. you witnessed 'unconditional love'

But you grew to hate it..

WTF?

Good luck

I have had to curtail my approach as poor old zsymon cant handle it (he keeps running to MODs and reporting folk...BE AWARE you may be next!! I told him he was a child and theres your proof. Yes he may be a man physically but his Spirit metaphysically is juvenile) How hillarious that he speaks of unconditionally calling an ambulance for the guy that broke his nose the day before, yet he cant face me unconditionally.

Point being Ive had to alter my approach to your type (closed off, boxed in, sweetly sleeping types who cry like babies when their box is rattled), but honestly blad4 YOU are pushing me to the limits, your dim -ness of awarness is quite outstanding.

Do you even read my posts?? Throughout this thread I have repeatedly said unconditional love does not exist and quite clearly stated to zsymon the following

Can you not see that I have indeed walked within your so called unconditional love (dont exist but to make this easier I will use your terms),

I grew to hate LOVE because LOVE and HATE are the SAME, are you so blind you could not see this meaning in my post? The world is energy, YOU are energy within it, ALL is held within dual forces of which LOVE - HATE belong. Feel LOVE sooner or later HATE is gonna come and get ya!!! It is an endless cycle until YOU lift that love.


LOVE..............CENTRAL BALANCED POINT......................HATE


zsysom......................bridgeeteyes.......... ...........whoever

In order for humans to survive, we must change our perception at the social base, at the level of consensus - Don Juan The Art of Dreaming.


What he is saying for example is rather than perceive a world of objects, first perceive a world of energy. Once YOU perceive your LOVE as an energy, dualed with HATE maybe you'll SEE

[blad4]

So it's all the same love is hate, light is non-light.. but what on earth are you doing? If it's all the same..

stop wasting your energy, be it negatively, in the way I perceive it, or in whatever way you want to perceive it.. simple as that

Instead you are preaching, like your whole belief system is centred around duality and anything else is ludicrous, and you actually take offense to differing opinions which you use to rationalise crazy, moronic and offensive outburts.

When in actuality, all you seem to put on the table is merely your own opinion.

For that reason I can actually confirm that a lot of your points are confused, and acting like you are in the central 'balanced' position on your home made continuum, is not only idealistic within your own belief system, but also unrealistic.

I recommend a rethink of your whole attitude, and it is not just him who is reporting you, as I guess there are dozens of people who felt the need instead of blessing you with their own time.

[bridgeeteyes]

I recommend a rethink of your whole attitude,


What and be swallowed up in your REALITY CONSENSUS/group think.
No thanks, your welcome to it. You like all the rest on here subscribe to your peers, and the pressure of group think. All you achieve is a ridgid cohesion, formed from your reinforced mass. Forever stuck in your GROUP THINK.

Any critical thinking is then suppressed, held down, taken to such a point you render it ineffective, you hold it down until its DEAD.


However, Mr BLAD4, it is the ability to withstand this onslaught of mass reality consensus and group think, to withstand it and STILL grow within its boundaries that marks a significant step towards an individuals freedom.

Ascension/ enlightenment /spiritual freedom whatever you wish to call it is NEVER achieved as part of a group, it must be done ALONE.

So continue on with your ridgid cohesion, it will get you nowhere, I'll decline your offer to "rethink my attitude" thanks.

ALL progression is made from questioning the reality consensus, never does anything evolve from being stuck in old ideas. ( eg :worlds flat, earths centre of solar system BOTH would have remained as fact if it were not for breaking the cohesion of humanities mass consensus)

[blad4]

Yup, whatever you say then mate

Good luck

[ekim]

Ascension/ enlightenment /spiritual freedom whatever you wish to call it is NEVER achieved as part of a group, it must be done ALONE.


Agreed.

I don't think people realize what this even all means, this is not some lovey dovey fairy tale where we will all be filled with love and light and all will be well. As I said before there is so much fear that most people have to get past that the path to "acsension/enlightenment/spiritula freedom," ect, that I'm not sure very many people can handle it. Just what I have seen and experienced would create so much fear inside people that they would do whatever it takes to avoid such a proccess.

I wanted to go back a bit to "unconditional love", imo it doesn't exsist, it's a lie with roots in fear. There is always a condition when believing in unconditional love. From dirrect personal(yes personal, I don't claim to be right) experience Oneness/absolute love/pure consciousness, whatever you wish to call it is void of feeling, there is no love, no pain, nothing, I have experienced it a few times. So these experiences tell me that love of any kind is a product of the mind as are all emotions.

From what I have observed even love is based in the ego, one shows love so that the other person or people will see that and think of them as good people. This is call self-importance, think about it, really think about it, even the kind man/woman who holds the door open for an elderly person almost always does so in hopes that the elderly person and others that see them do this "good" deed will see them as a "good" person. This is a way the ego feeds itself. Self-importance, give it some deep thought, what things are done and/or said because of it?

The place between these lies is where you will find truth, where emotion and attatchment do not exsist.

I will say however I would much rather have a world full of love instead of hate but I truely don't think that is possible. One can not exsist without the other as they are one in the same, they are tools of the mind.

Maybe one day we will all be able to use emotions as tools of self expression instead of being controlled by them.

[blad4]

Ekim now that you said that I think bridgeeteyes will rethink his/her beliefs, because of his/her ironic belief-based accusations toward me:

You like all the rest on here subscribe to your peers, and the pressure of group think. All you achieve is a ridgid cohesion, formed from your reinforced mass. Forever stuck in your GROUP THINK.

Ascension/ enlightenment /spiritual freedom whatever you wish to call it is NEVER achieved as part of a group, it must be done ALONE.

And more...

Not saying the content is wrong at all, just the context it was used in is the same as me using them now

[mark1963]

Agreed.

I don't think people realize what this even all means, this is not some lovey dovey fairy tale where we will all be filled with love and light and all will be well. As I said before there is so much fear that most people have to get past that the path to "acsension/enlightenment/spiritula freedom," ect, that I'm not sure very many people can handle it. Just what I have seen and experienced would create so much fear inside people that they would do whatever it takes to avoid such a proccess.

I wanted to go back a bit to "unconditional love", imo it doesn't exsist, it's a lie with roots in fear. There is always a condition when believing in unconditional love. From dirrect personal(yes personal, I don't claim to be right) experience Oneness/absolute love/pure consciousness, whatever you wish to call it is void of feeling, there is no love, no pain, nothing, I have experienced it a few times. So these experiences tell me that love of any kind is a product of the mind as are all emotions.

From what I have observed even love is based in the ego, one shows love so that the other person or people will see that and think of them as good people. This is call self-importance, think about it, really think about it, even the kind man/woman who holds the door open for an elderly person almost always does so in hopes that the elderly person and others that see them do this "good" deed will see them as a "good" person. This is a way the ego feeds itself. Self-importance, give it some deep thought, what things are done and/or said because of it?

The place between these lies is where you will find truth, where emotion and attatchment do not exsist.

I will say however I would much rather have a world full of love instead of hate but I truely don't think that is possible. One can not exsist without the other as they are one in the same, they are tools of the mind.

Maybe one day we will all be able to use emotions as tools of self expression instead of being controlled by them.

If it was called unconditional acceptance, would you then understand it?

Or unconditional peace?

[blad4]

I think they do not understand the 'unconditional' part, which is fair enough, it is the hardest, IMO

[exford]

Unconditional means no restrictions imparted by the percieved self.To give to others as you may wish to recieve.The light and the dark are a representation of love and fear,positive and negative.In order to evolve we must work through these polarities to achieve a state of equilibrium(balance),which will enable us to achieve a higher fundamental resonance with the creator.
To be become part of all that is, we must realise that all that is, resides within us,and all that we percieve as being external is actually a reflection of our internal being.
Enlightenment respects all aspects of creation and guides the student along a path of acceptance,between the dualities of existence.

For those who seek a mentor to guide them, are intrinsicly dependent on some level for others to be guided by them,just as the person who goes it alone seeks no guidance in achieving awareness,therefor relinquishing the desire to guide others!

[ekim]

Unconditional just implies there is an opposite, what I am talking about goes beyond that.

I think there are very few if any people in this world that can express love without it being a product of the ego, mainly out of self-importance. Those who do not understand what self-importance is I would suugest looking into it.

[blad4]

Unconditional just implies there is an opposite, what I am talking about goes beyond that.

I think there are very few if any people in this world that can express love without it being a product of the ego, mainly out of self-importance. Those who do not understand what self-importance is I would suugest looking into it.

Veeery true

[blad4]

Unconditional means no restrictions imparted by the percieved self.To give to others as you may wish to recieve.The light and the dark are a representation of love and fear,positive and negative.In order to evolve we must work through these polarities to achieve a state of equilibrium(balance),which will enable us to achieve a higher fundamental resonance with the creator.
To be become part of all that is, we must realise that all that is, resides within us,and all that we percieve as being external is actually a reflection of our internal being.
Enlightenment respects all aspects of creation and guides the student along a path of acceptance,between the dualities of existence.

For those who seek a mentor to guide them, are intrinsicly dependent on some level for others to be guided by them,just as the person who goes it alone seeks no guidance in achieving awareness,therefor relinquishing the desire to guide others!

I agree bro

[nectars]

Hey nectars,

Yes, there appears to be a tendency towards one side over another. But, there are no two sides in reality, unless there's an attachment to a story about what naturally happens.

Perhaps there is no two of yous...one in bliss, then, later on, one in turmoil at the bliss not being there! lol

It's a very convincing story with the central and imagined character believed to be something other than just another thought. lol

Wholeness or clarity (insert your favoured word at the moment) is boundlessly inclusive, which, ofcourse, anything can and will happen in and as itself.

This has been pointed out by another poster in this thread in a very enthused and refreshingly nondualistic way.

No~one ever said you had to like it! lol

Opas23.

;)

I realize the above both theoretically and to an extent experientially; nonduality is far from new to me. Not sure if I can explain this the way I experience it, but I realize that the "I" and "me" are an apparency in consciousness as thought suffers anxiety from seeming seperation from "Pure Awareness" as it percieves itself moving further from its source.

Anyway, knowing it is not the same as it being the/a permenent experience, and if we are "anything" then being otherwise and not being able to be that which we already are seems ridiculous.

Again some of this seems contradictory but will have to suffice for now.

Edit: The way you describe seeing this would be similar to most here attempting to go into a dream they had last night and convince someone in it that they were not only a character in the dream but another aspect of the liberated dreamer. To the liberated dreamer(once "liberated") its a dream, yet to everyone else its perfectly real.

Unconditional just implies there is an opposite

You sure about that?

[ekim]

You sure about that?

Yes, the "un" says it all, this implies there is an opposite, otherwise what is the point of putting "un" before "conditional"?

The spirit world knows no love or hate, it has no emotion, these are physical manifestations of the mind. So how can love, an emotion, a feeling, bring you any kind of spiritual awakening? I can see how it help understand this world more but not the spirit world.

From all my experience with people I have yet to find someone who gives love that doesn't want or expect something back. Some want karma points, some want others to treat them back the same way, and even some want money.

Can you put into your own words what exactly "unconditional" love is? Can you give examples?

[blah]

Im waking up to the fact that no one is awake apart from me.

[bridgeeteyes]

Im waking up to the fact that no one is awake apart from me.

Now thats got to be my absolute all time favourite quote !!!!!!!!!

Well I guess thats it folks, end of thread, nothing more to see, shows over only BLAHs awake, please BLAH tell us what you see.

[blad4]

From all my experience with people I have yet to find someone who gives love that doesn't want or expect something back. Some want karma points, some want others to treat them back the same way, and even some want money.

So not quite unconditional

Can you put into your own words what exactly "unconditional" love is? Can you give examples?


Easy, the opposite to the above, i.e. someone who gives love that doesn't want or expect something back, as you said.

And, by design, not only is this the hardest thing to do, but once achieved, it is permenant, and has all the other properties of being 'unconditional'.

[bridgeeteyes]

Being unconditional, life includes all.

And included in that all, is the continuation and belief in a purpose to work towards whilst trying to dodge your own death before your life's work be done.

You who cling to hope, purpose and meaning are simply avoiding their equal and inclusive opposites.

Fun watching your squirming and righteousness clinging to only what you feel you need in order to avoid the very thing you desire...death (of the one who needs purpose ad infinitum...)

There may be a great lesson in here for you.

This post is not directed specificallly at you unless paranoia tells you otherwise!

Keep up the show...or have it all collapse on top of you.

No~one cares.

Opas23.

;)

It is intended we die from the very moment of our birth. Most of course avoid this very real fact, death is a taboo, one that most push out of their minds, never confronting its presence. It is one of the main attractions the Love and Light masses are attracted to, the fact that if they love unconditionally (dont exist remember!) they will ascend physically via some sort of mystic cloud and live forever floating around in oneness and light . they will deny this, of course, but I have spent time with major love and light players and believe me their main selfish reason for being within its energy is for the lure of an easy pain free ascension, away from deaths call into glorious light. This is a very selfish and conditional reason of course, but they will deny it until they are blue in the face.

They secretly want immortality but with physical form not unconditional love, they wish to escape death at any cost and find the price of love and light an easy one. Death is however not interested in their love and light.


You see death does have a presence, it is always with us even in life. The awarness of its presence will give you a wake up call. By learning to sense it and use it as your advisor, you are able to become far more present in every moment. Using death as your advisor provides great focus on your daily life.

If your not willing to die for your actions, then your not willing to live for them either.- k Smith Toltec author.

Just for the OP, I know how he loves quotes, and Im sure a quote about death will rattle him no end but here you go.


focus his attention on the link between
himself and his death. Without remorse or sadness or worrying, he
must focus his attention on the fact that he does not have time and
let his acts flow accordingly. He must let each of his acts be his
last battle on earth. Only under those conditions will his acts
have their rightful power. Otherwise they will be, for as long as
he lives, the acts of a fool. - Don Juan


Both quotes are saying the same thing, that your death is the only advisor you can truely trust. It is said death is just to our side, and that if we look quick enough we can catch a glimpse.

Next time you make a choice, try consulting death, try imagining that every choice you make has the potential to be your last, make sure you are prepared to die for your choices, otherwise your fooling yourself in life.

No one said spiritual growth was easy! (well they do on all those ascension sites your all so addicted to, but they are so full of lies!)

Your right Opas23 no one cares, especially infinity, its infinite!!

[mark1963]

Unconditional just implies there is an opposite, what I am talking about goes beyond that.

I think there are very few if any people in this world that can express love without it being a product of the ego, mainly out of self-importance. Those who do not understand what self-importance is I would suugest looking into it.


Just let go of any and all judgement and there you are - unconditional.

[mark1963]

Yes, the "un" says it all, this implies there is an opposite, otherwise what is the point of putting "un" before "conditional"?

The spirit world knows no love or hate, it has no emotion, these are physical manifestations of the mind. So how can love, an emotion, a feeling, bring you any kind of spiritual awakening? I can see how it help understand this world more but not the spirit world.

From all my experience with people I have yet to find someone who gives love that doesn't want or expect something back. Some want karma points, some want others to treat them back the same way, and even some want money.

Can you put into your own words what exactly "unconditional" love is? Can you give examples?

You are using semantics.

It has already been said that there is no word to describe it and the words that are used are inadequate.

There are no words, just experiences.

[mark1963]

It is intended we die from the very moment of our birth. Most of course avoid this very real fact, death is a taboo, one that most push out of their minds, never confronting its presence. It is one of the main attractions the Love and Light masses are attracted to, the fact that if they love unconditionally (dont exist remember!) they will ascend physically via some sort of mystic cloud and live forever floating around in oneness and light . they will deny this, of course, but I have spent time with major love and light players and believe me their main selfish reason for being within its energy is for the lure of an easy pain free ascension, away from deaths call into glorious light. This is a very selfish and unconditional reason of course, but they will deny it until they are blue in the face.

They secretly want immortality but with physical form not unconditional love, they wish to escape death at any cost and find the price of love and light an easy one. Death is however not interested in their love and light.


You see death does have a presence, it is always with us even in life. The awarness of its presence will give you a wake up call. By learning to sense it and use it as your advisor, you are able to become far more present in every moment. Using death as your advisor provides great focus on your daily life.



Just for the OP, I know how he loves quotes, and Im sure a quote about death will rattle him no end but here you go.





Both quotes are saying the same thing, that your death is the only advisor you can truely trust. It is said death is just to our side, and that if we look quick enough we can catch a glimpse.

Next time you make a choice, try consulting death, try imagining that every choice you make has the potential to be your last, make sure you are prepared to die for your choices, otherwise your fooling yourself in life.

No one said spiritual growth was easy! (well they do on all those ascension sites your all so addicted to, but they are so full of lies!)

Your right Opas23 no one cares, especially infinity, its infinite!!

Something we agree upon. Yes this life is a form of death.

What we experience is only the 5 sense reality and we are here purely to experience that. That is the cosmic joke. None of it is real. So enjoy it.

We go back to life when we die.

[bridgeeteyes]

We go back to life when we die.


Yes , we do, again and again and again and again........is it just me or is there something not quite right about this?

Sure dont feel right to me. Felt great when I was younger, but now I sense a rat.

[mark1963]

Yes , we do, again and again and again and again........is it just me or is there something not quite right about this?

Sure dont feel right to me. Felt great when I was younger, but now I sense a rat.

It's a rat, but , like you I cannot put my finger on it.

[bridgeeteyes]

It's a rat,

Oh yes a rat, and one that most certainly does not lead to RAPID SPIRITUAL AWAKENING more an endless persuit of it I would say, with the end result being far from rapid

[opas23]

Oh glorious death, where is thy sting?

[blad4]

Oh yes a rat, and one that most certainly does not lead to RAPID SPIRITUAL AWAKENING more an endless persuit of it I would say, with the end result being far from rapid

for you but obviously not zsymon, hence he is writing his experiences

[opas23]

Interesting how I started a thread before this one about a passion for attempting to describe awakeness and liberation, having shared this with many over the last few years, without any rigid and attached purpose towards a list of prescriptions.

The ideas shared in this prescriptive thread may be helpful to some in its list of technique and things~to~do etc., especially helpful to the OP!

There are indeed many spiritual (spiritdual) lollipops for those suckers lusting after the latest flavours y'know. lol

Ofcourse, none of the 'death' lollipops are being sold for obvious reasons and equally as obvious is the OP's taste towards the other sweet (but never lasting) lollipops only sold on one side of the shop!

But it's just all part of the appearances coming and going in this no~thing called life, where confusion leads to even more ignorance as easily as it can awaken those who weren't even looking for it!

In fact, if the truth be known, the last bastion of this higher self egoic trait, spreading itself across the forums, may be in the spiritdual fluff being hard sold by the frightened and one sided nitwits who appear as individuals telling you what you should do!

How could real death ever be sold?

Could the answer be in the darkest of recesses of your own avoidances?

You are the death which continuesly stalks you.

Then, you, are no more.

But even more startling...YOU NEVER WERE!

ROFLMAO

Opas23.

;)

[ekim]

Something we agree upon. Yes this life is a form of death.

What we experience is only the 5 sense reality and we are here purely to experience that. That is the cosmic joke. None of it is real. So enjoy it.

We go back to life when we die.

This world is what you percieve it, people can percieve it beyond the 5 senses. It is no joke unless you feel it is.

You are using semantics.

It has already been said that there is no word to describe it and the words that are used are inadequate.

There are no words, just experiences.

So why bother using words and arguing back and forth?

If this world is an illusion then so is love and all emotions, thats not the point though. People talk about reaching spiritula elightenment through "unconditional" love. I think all that achieves is more of a physical enlightenment, it make this experience more enjoyable that's it. When I have ever travelled to the otherworlds there was no love involved, I was neutral with no fear. To be emotionless is the key as emotions are tools of the ego. If you wish to achieve physical enlightenement by all means express love, it would make this world a better place.

Just let go of any and all judgement and there you are - unconditional.

When all judgements are gone there is nothing left not even love, and yes the loss of judgement is key.

So not quite unconditional


Quote:
Can you put into your own words what exactly "unconditional" love is? Can you give examples?

Easy, the opposite to the above, i.e. someone who gives love that doesn't want or expect something back, as you said.

And, by design, not only is this the hardest thing to do, but once achieved, it is permenant, and has all the other properties of being 'unconditional'.

By creating a want you create conditions for your love.

When all emotions are dropped one can be truely free and capable of using emotion as expressions instead of shackles. This is the closest thing I can see to what you are getting at, this requires one to have knowledge of the ego and emotions.

[bridgeeteyes]

for you but obviously not zsymon, hence he is writing his experiences


You mean hes achieved it? Wow Rapid Spiritual Awakening, what from just those 7 points in his OP followed by his subsequent waffle? Amazing!

I think not.


Where is he anyway? Has the heat got a bit much for him? Maybe hes just left and ascended rapidly via his fluffy love only to be shocked to his core at what lies before him . I hope not, I hope instead the hand of truth has instead shook him so hard hes finally woke up. Time will tell of course which it is.

[bridgeeteyes]

Ofcourse, none of the 'death' lollipops are being sold for obvious reasons and equally as obvious is the OP's taste towards the other sweet (but never lasting) lollipops only sold on one side of the shop!

But it's just all part of the appearances coming and going in this no~thing called life, where confusion leads to even more ignorance as easily as it can awaken those who weren't even looking for it!

In fact, if the truth be known, the last bastion of this higher self egoic trait, spreading itself across the forums, may be in the spiritdual fluff being hard sold by the frightened and one sided nitwits who appear as individuals telling you what you should do!

How could real death ever be sold?

Could the answer be in the darkest of recesses of your own avoidances?

You are the death which continuesly stalks you.

Then, you, are no more.

But even more startling...YOU NEVER WERE!

ROFLMAO

Opas23.

;)


Opas23 ssshhhh you'll scare the children.

[nectars]

Interesting how I started a thread before this one about a passion for attempting to describe awakeness and liberation, having shared this with many over the last few years, without any rigid and attached purpose towards a list of prescriptions.

The ideas shared in this prescriptive thread may be helpful to some in its list of technique and things~to~do etc., especially helpful to the OP!

There are indeed many spiritual (spiritdual) lollipops for those suckers lusting after the latest flavours y'know. lol

Ofcourse, none of the 'death' lollipops are being sold for obvious reasons and equally as obvious is the OP's taste towards the other sweet (but never lasting) lollipops only sold on one side of the shop!

But it's just all part of the appearances coming and going in this no~thing called life, where confusion leads to even more ignorance as easily as it can awaken those who weren't even looking for it!

In fact, if the truth be known, the last bastion of this higher self egoic trait, spreading itself across the forums, may be in the spiritdual fluff being hard sold by the frightened and one sided nitwits who appear as individuals telling you what you should do!

How could real death ever be sold?

Could the answer be in the darkest of recesses of your own avoidances?

You are the death which continuesly stalks you.

Then, you, are no more.

But even more startling...YOU NEVER WERE!

ROFLMAO

Opas23.

;)

The bold/underlined "I've" been faced a few eyars back. Unknowing what it was though "I" freaked and withdrew when the realization set in that the "I" was disappearing for good. I later found out the advice given by certain teachers in this specific situation is "Walk through all fear no matter what; if it feels like 'your' dying, let it happen".

This "Final Doorway" is quite the show and the only real death the ego seems to know of and take quite seriously.

It's a rat, but , like you I cannot put my finger on it.

Having been seduced by the glamour of occult work for a while there is certainly more than one "rat" on the playing field, but their still within the confines of the game.

[mark1963]

This world is what you percieve it, people can percieve it beyond the 5 senses. It is no joke unless you feel it is.



So why bother using words and arguing back and forth?

If this world is an illusion then so is love and all emotions, thats not the point though. People talk about reaching spiritula elightenment through "unconditional" love. I think all that achieves is more of a physical enlightenment, it make this experience more enjoyable that's it. When I have ever travelled to the otherworlds there was no love involved, I was neutral with no fear. To be emotionless is the key as emotions are tools of the ego. If you wish to achieve physical enlightenement by all means express love, it would make this world a better place.



When all judgements are gone there is nothing left not even love, and yes the loss of judgement is key.



By creating a want you create conditions for your love.

When all emotions are dropped one can be truely free and capable of using emotion as expressions instead of shackles. This is the closest thing I can see to what you are getting at, this requires one to have knowledge of the ego and emotions.

I think we agree mostly. I did suggest unconditional acceptance earlier, maybe you did not see that.

Unconditional love is not the human type love - it is merely allowing the other, whatever that may be.

When you say in the netherworlds you had no emotion - did you not experience empathy?

[mark1963]

The bold/underlined "I've" been faced a few eyars back. Unknowing what it was though "I" freaked and withdrew when the realization set in that the "I" was disappearing for good. I later found out the advice given by certain teachers in this specific situation is "Walk through all fear no matter what; if it feels like 'your' dying, let it happen".

This "Final Doorway" is quite the show and the only real death the ego seems to know of and take quite seriously.



Having been seduced by the glamour of occult work for a while there is certainly more than one "rat" on the playing field, but their still within the confines of the game.

There's a rat but I'm not looking for it.

And the joke is funny for everyone when they get it.

[opas23]

I later found out the advice given by certain teachers in this specific situation is "Walk through all fear no matter what; if it feels like 'your' dying, let it happen".

I certainly cannot advise or teach any other, simply because there is only that which I am already.

With me(?) it's just like sharing, as you obviously would with yourself, but there is a huge difference with what is shared, and that is: I will only share it all and not polish it up so as to appear shiney and succulent! lol

In short, I tell the truth without erring to a particular and seemingly separate side.

The possibilities are scaringly beautiful and the invitation to death is constantly and compassionately open for those to run from whilst others die into and lose everything.

So there is absolutely no hope whatsoever for the individual.

Individual = In Divided Duality...which ofcourse has never existed but only as a scared collection of thoughts identifying with natural bodily sensations! lol

Thankfully, we're all doomed, potentially!

Grace/compassion/enlightenment/liberation, call it what you will, may take you over and you may die a terrible death. However, it only seems absolutely terrifying to those who would hold on even tighter in their sticky, clinging, attached identity.

It's fuckin' perfec' man!

Maybe too perfect?

lol

[ekim]

I think we agree mostly. I did suggest unconditional acceptance earlier, maybe you did not see that.

Unconditional love is not the human type love - it is merely allowing the other, whatever that may be.

When you say in the netherworlds you had no emotion - did you not experience empathy?

Again, unconditional is a trap, there is no unconditional acceptance, either you accept what your mind tells you or you don't. We once again we run into the spoken/written language barrier. Acceptance is yet another tool of the mind. Language limits our spiritual journey as it's just yet just another tool of the mind/ego, it sets out to gain power over what we experience by giving it a name and basically placing ownership over it. True spiritual awaken come's when we can detatch from these constructs and just experience with no need to to bring identity into the picture.

When I say I had no emotion that's exactly what I mean.

[bridgeeteyes]

Again, unconditional is a trap, there is no unconditional acceptance, either you accept what your mind tells you or you don't. We once again we run into the spoken/written language barrier. Acceptance is yet another tool of the mind. Language limits our spiritual journey as it's just yet just another tool of the mind/ego, it sets out to gain power over what we experience by giving it a name and basically placing ownership over it. True spiritual awaken come's when we can detatch from these constructs and just experience with no need to to bring identity into the picture.

When I say I had no emotion that's exactly what I mean.

Bravo, seems someones on my wavelength. Quick take cover, its dangerous out here!

This is exactly what I attempted to get across to several on the Unconditional Power thread ( who also are on this thread) that its content (Unconditional Power Thread) was BEYOND the language of the human mind/animal ego. Its content had to be experienced through a knowing, only accessed through Spirit NOT language.

Breaking out of the box using language to walk the path thereafter is impossible, Spirit must guide within the realms of the unknown, because what is found there Man has no words for.


Language limits our spiritual journey as it's just yet just another tool of the mind/ego, it sets out to gain power over what we experience by giving it a name and basically placing ownership over it.

Exactly, language is a tool of the human mind/animal ego that it uses to gain our emerging POWER via placing reason over it via mans known words, thus gaining ownership of his POWER.

I suggest those who didnt find Spirit's voice to guide them through that thread TRY again.

http://www.davidicke.com/forum/showthread.php?t=124849 Let Spirit guide those who are able to see, the rest Im sure will not even bother to click.

[zsymon]

Sorry I could not reply earlier because the last few days the pain became too
intense to sit on a chair.

Anyway,

I really don't understand why it is so hard for people to understand the simple
concept of unconditional love. It is not because you and many other people
are unable to love unconditionally, that it does not exist, or that no one is
able to feel it, to give it, to experience it. It is a matter of deciding to want
to give of love unconditionally to everyone.. once you do, then you start to
practice it, in time you get better and better at it.. your anger vanishes, your
hatred vanishes, your frustration with people vanishes..

There is nothing complicated about unconditional love.. nothing deceptive, it
is not a trap, it is not a complicated metaphysical concept.. it is so very simple.

Love:
The word love means to be positive about someone or something, to send or
experience very positive energies, emotions and feelings.. I am not talking
about brotherly love, or romantic love.. or devotion.

Unconditional:
The word unconditional means to place no conditions on something, in this
case love. If you give love freely to everything and everyone, then that
means you are experiencing and giving of unconditional love.

Examples.

If you love your brother always, even if he hurts you, if there is not a single
moment in which you do not love your brother, then that means you love
your brother unconditionally.

If you are having a discussion with someone, and you give this person your
love and your respect, no matter who he is, even if you don't know him, even
if he keeps disagreeing with you and even insulting you.. like what is going on
between Bridgeeteyes and me, then you are giving of love unconditionally.

It means you are not placing conditions on your emotions of love, they don't
have to be intense emotions of love, as long as it can be classified as love,
and you don't place any conditions on this emotion, energy, feeling, then you
are giving and experiencing and feeling unconditional love for this person.

Giving Love Unconditionally.

No matter how much Bridgeteeyes insults me and sends his intense hatred to
me in every post he makes, I will never stop loving him and respecting him for
the person he is, and for the purpose he lives and exists. That is giving of
unconditional love, and it is very easy for me. Just because I reported him
doesn't mean I don't like him, it just means I would very much like to keep
this thread civil and out of the rants section. No matter how much he will
continue to insult me, the moment he would ask me to help him, or to become
his friend, I will agree immediately, and I will love him unconditionally, just like
I try to love everything and everyone in existence, unconditionally.

I learned how to apporach every situation with unconditional love after I had
my past life blocks removed, and even though I never felt hatred in my entire
life anyway, it became very easy for me to experience unconditional love in
all situations.

I am not saying I am perfect right now, but I have decided to always give
of my love to everyone and everything, without placing conditions on this
love, and it is becoming easier and easier for me.

Giving love unconditionally in every situation, is not really something you
learn in time, because some people never learn it.. it is something you one
day decide to do, and then as you practice it everyday, you become better
and better at it. It takes work but it is very much possible.. I am learning
it and many people I know are learning it as well.

A Life of Love.

You cannot say that unconditional hatred exists, when people hate everything
and everyone, even themselves, some people are like this, and then say that
unconditional love does not exist. Feeling unconditional love, experiencing it,
giving it, is just a matter of deciding to do it and then practicing it. Some people
are like this from birth, they never have to decide it or practice it, others fell
to society's conditioning, and they have to remember how to do it.

But I can tell you this.. life is much more pleasant if you never hate someone, if
you never get angry at someone.. if you never get pissed off at someone.. if you
never judge someone (nonjudgementality, which I am practicing on lately). When
you can live like this, life becomes so much more fun.

Just because you can't feel unconditional love, just because you don't want
to feel unconditional love, does not mean that it does not exist. It just means that
you decided not to practice it, not to learn it, not to give and experience it. Just
because you don't have three balls, doesn't mean someone out there doesn't have
three balls. The world does not revolve around you and you alone.. not everyone is
just like you.

[vladmir]

Great post zysmon, dot worry 'bout the haters, MC Hammer said it best:
http://i36.tinypic.com/2jbnrzb.gif

[ekim]

I really don't understand why it is so hard for people to understand the simple
concept of unconditional love. It is not because you and many other people
are unable to love unconditionally, that it does not exist, or that no one is
able to feel it, to give it, to experience it. It is a matter of deciding to want
to give of love unconditionally to everyone.. once you do, then you start to
practice it, in time you get better and better at it.. your anger vanishes, your
hatred vanishes, your frustration with people vanishes..

There is nothing complicated about unconditional love.. nothing deceptive, it
is not a trap, it is not a complicated metaphysical concept.. it is so very simple.







I fully undertsand the concept of unconditional love in the physical world and and it's use in this world. Still, it is of this world, a creation of the mind, it seems what you are really getting at here is something that has no physical expression, it's not love, love is man made, it's a label we put on anything that makes us feel good.

If you love your brother always, even if he hurts you, if there is not a single
moment in which you do not love your brother, then that means you love
your brother unconditionally.

This more of a loss of ego, an understanding that he is only acting out his ego and you don't pass judgement because of this understanding. This is what I am getting at.

If you are having a discussion with someone, and you give this person your
love and your respect, no matter who he is, even if you don't know him, even
if he keeps disagreeing with you and even insulting you.. like what is going on
between Bridgeeteyes and me, then you are giving of love unconditionally.

Again, a loss of ego or at least an awareness of it which allows you not to be self-important. This a good example of being in control of your ego by not reacting to it. Do you understand?

The word love means to be positive about someone or something, to send or
experience very positive energies, emotions and feelings.. I am not talking
about brotherly love, or romantic love.. or devotion.

Do you not see the judgement in that statement? You have placed judgement on a feeling by saying an energy is positive, but it's not, it's just energy that we interpret as positive only because it doesn't create fear within.

You cannot say that unconditional hatred exists, when people hate everything
and everyone, even themselves, some people are like this, and then say that
unconditional love does not exist. Feeling unconditional love, experiencing it,
giving it, is just a matter of deciding to do it and then practicing it. Some people
are like this from birth, they never have to decide it or practice it, others fell
to society's conditioning, and they have to remember how to do it.

Is the bold a passing of judgement? If you believe this then I see you know very little about the ego.

As for the rest, what you are talking about is not love, it's beyond anything our mind can try to rationalize. By calling it love you have taken power over it and it becomes a construct of the ego mind.

Have you ever experienced something that you can't explain with words and no expression or action can describe it? That is our natural state. That is living free from the control of the ego. Once you decide to try and express that experience you have given into the control of the ego.

[bridgeeteyes]

Unconditional:
The word unconditional means to place no conditions on something, in this
case love. If you give love freely to everything and everyone, then that
means you are experiencing and giving of unconditional love.

Examples.

If you love your brother always, even if he hurts you, if there is not a single
moment in which you do not love your brother, then that means you love
your brother unconditionally.




Try telling this girl ( hiroshima survivor) and her family to show unconditional love to their aggressors

http://digital-photography-school.com/wp-content/uploads/2007/01/KimPhuk-napalm-girl.jpg

(click to enlarge)

What you cant see is that her back is totally on fire. Unconditional love....DOES NOT EXIST, HATE however does (along with LOVE)

[vladmir]

zsymon,
Non-Dual LOVE is the same as सच्चिदानन्द.
Truth-Consciousness-Bliss, the 3 in 1 is what is Nondual Love, प्रेम.
THERE IS NO OPPOSITE TO THIS TRUE LOVE.
And out of this trinity, emantes Conditional Power.
The condition is that Power is regulated by this HIGH LOVE,
which is itSelf Self-Regulating.
Unconditional Power can never exist,
because it cannot Harmoniously Regulate Itself.

If what these hater clowns are suggesting was EVER true,
the Universe would have long been imploded by now, and that would be the end of it.
These hater clowns are not the first ones to talk about this,
they are trying to pull a fast one on the Source itself, lmao,
all they are going to taste is their own destruction.
They actually think that the Source doesn't know what they are thinking!!

Unconditional Love actually MEANS LOVE+CONSCIOUSNESS+BLISS, its a 3-in-1.
Only this Trinity, can Generate, Hold and Regulate Power.
The power to create, sustain, and destroy.
No Mind, no human, no matter how evolved,
can EVER have access to unconditional untempered power.

So never mind the deniers, never mind whatever they say, just let them have their hate! It looks good on them!

[blad4]

Try telling this girl ( hiroshima survivor...

how do you know she won't be forgiving? you really do show keen judgement don't you

[bridgeeteyes]

how do you know she won't be forgiving? you really do show keen judgement don't you


Yet more dim answers from blad4.


Where not discussing forgiveness, we are discussing Unconditional love, of which THIS girl shows NONE. Your So called Unconditional love must be just that, an instant force, no reaching for it later, or when someone has calmed down, if it existed which it dont it would have to be unconditional and immediate in all situations with no polarity, which of course it does have.

LOOK into her eyes, imagine her mothers eyes.....it does not take a genius to work out she is full of PAIN ,TERROR AND FEAR (hate)

keen judgement , no just plain obvious

[blad4]

Yet more dim answers from blad4.



And you, sir, are a fool for even arguing with someone who preaches such love for all. He simply absorbs your negativity and makes it positive for himself and those who want to grow.. whereas you are getting more frustrated and lost every time.

[ekim]

Was my last post too hard to pick apart? It seems some of you are ready to throw verbal attacks around instead of staying on topic.

Oh how I feel the "unconditional love"! :rolleyes:

[blad4]

Oh how I feel the "unconditional love"! :rolleyes:

predictable :)

[mark1963]

Again, unconditional is a trap, there is no unconditional acceptance, either you accept what your mind tells you or you don't. We once again we run into the spoken/written language barrier. Acceptance is yet another tool of the mind. Language limits our spiritual journey as it's just yet just another tool of the mind/ego, it sets out to gain power over what we experience by giving it a name and basically placing ownership over it. True spiritual awaken come's when we can detatch from these constructs and just experience with no need to to bring identity into the picture.

When I say I had no emotion that's exactly what I mean.

That's what I said earlier, there are no real words to describe it, because it is beyond ego.

I have released my ego and there is an empathy or understanding of the other, but no real emotion. Again words are not adequate.

[theperceivingeye]

Obviously part of what lythkynge teaches his demented followers is how to be as rude as he is...

I bet he feels special having his own little cult of lap-dogs to eat his mental shit for him too...

I feel sorry for bridgeeteyes... he must have been a truly weak-willed individual to have been turned into such sychophant..

[bridgeeteyes]

theperceivingeye

How very little you understand of the path to truth. Never is it done in groups, cults, or gatherings. It must be done alone. It can not be done via mentors, gurus or teachers. These help initially, but the long climb of real growth must be done alone. This is why I cringe everytime I hear from the OP my mentor this, my mentor that, can he not see how disempowering this is to his growth? How needy he comes across. I hope for his sake his percieved unconditional world of love is kind to him when it collapses around him, which it will do, because I sense he is not strong enough to take this impending event. However collapse it must, critical mass will be reached. Ive witnesed it countless times in others and each time its sink or swim, there is NO inbetween. Attachments, especially to so called mentors is vast spiritual energy drainage. The path to truth has no room for attachments, they are baggage, they way you down. I have had countless visions giving this very important lesson.

I have no mentor, no master of spiritual guru and to post what you did shows just how ignorant you are. Yer I had one, it was a total waste of my energy, as most "students" eventually find out.


See what lythkynge posts about, I also saw before I ever came across him. I saw much of what he describes whilst meditating and entering the second energy field. This is because the truth is all around for those able to see, its not lythkynge's teachings , it just simply IS. lythkynge is able to put these experiences across in an understandable way. These truths come as a knowing, that which is brought without language, but lyghtkyne imo does an excellent job of this. I agree with lythkynge because I have also seen these truths unfolded before me, NOT because I read about them in one of his threads and decided to follow him! Now that would be weak minded, and anyone that decides to do that will fall.


You have totally mis understood me. There is NOTHING weak willed about me in any way, so go ahead insult me, I dont actually care in any way what you think about me, but a follower I am certainly not.

Dont feel sorry for me, your gonna need all that for yourself. I however feel nothing for you, not even sorrow.

[verndewd]

http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/c/cf/EM_Spectrum_Properties_edit.svg/1000px-EM_Spectrum_Properties_edit.svg.png

[stanislav]

My gosh! I left this place for a week and we are still arguing. If anything I think we all need to grow up (including me of course) and learn something important from this excellent discussion. I think those of you who adhere to the positive aspect have many good points and yet those of the dark side have many valid points too. I will try my best to incorporate both aspects. Thank you everyone!

[stanislav]

You can so easily spot the concentrated left hemispheres spewing out constant crap. Get a fucking grip and stop wasting your energy. Your worthless capitals, bolded fonts, silly insults, italicized writing, underlined words, and completely unnecessary word counts shows the left brain on full blast. If any of you were so balanced you would not be a slave to this thread and just fuck off.

Time to build that bridge. The bridge of Corpus Callosum.

It is my befuckingLIEve (:rolleyes:) that micro duality will be wiped clean in the next hundred years or so. Unless the end of this 26, 000 cycle is just one big cosmic lie.

It's almost as ridiculous as saying this entire reality and all energy is just a Lucifer thought entity. Couldn't believe the amount of shit that guy on IlluminatiMatrix.wordpress had to write to just tell you to do nothing.


Speaking about the guy from IlluminatiMatrix ... He is DELUSIONAL and VERY IGNORANT! I mean he pretty much admitted to me that he doesn't care if any of his shit holds any truth (paraphrasing). I think he of course realizes deep down that his claims are full of holes like the Swiss cheese but he is refusing to admit it even to himself.

[pegcityevolve]

You can so easily spot the concentrated left hemispheres spewing out constant loosh. Get a fucking grip and stop wasting your energy. Your worthless capitals, bolded fonts, silly insults, italicized writing, underlined words, and completely unnecessary word counts shows the left brain on full blast. If any of you were so balanced you would not be a slave to this thread and just fuck off. Other then that, the characters of both sides of duality here showed off some pretty interesting mind chatter. No offense to anyone here from me. Even if it seems directed to any of you, it's not. :):mad::):mad::):mad:

So time to build that bridge (or repair it, whatever). The bridge of Corpus Callosum.

It is my befuckingLIEve (:rolleyes:) that micro duality will be wiped clean in the next hundred years or so. Unless the end of this 26, 000 cycle is just one big cosmic lie.


It's almost as ridiculous as saying this entire reality and all energy is just a Lucifer thought entity. Couldn't believe the amount of shit that guy on IlluminatiMatrix.wordpress had to write to just tell you to do nothing.

[stanislav]

pegcityevolve,

As you can see in this matrix everything is possible! I quoted most of what you said BEFORE you even typed it LOL!

[pegcityevolve]

Speaking about the guy from IlluminatiMatrix ... He is DELUSIONAL and VERY IGNORANT! I mean he pretty much admitted to me that he doesn't care if any of his shit holds any truth (paraphrasing). I think he of course realizes deep down that his claims are full of holes like the Swiss cheese but he is refusing to admit it even to himself.He killed it with 51 pages (and counting) just to say do nothing. He even says that none of the doom will happen now and they have lost because too many people now know, what a joke, half the people here haven't even heard of that site. Just a total left-brain fest to try and mind fuck those who are pretty deep into it all (deep into infinity? ha). Then after the left brain fest you are supposed to instill extreme passivity. Talk about complete drone.

[pegcityevolve]

pegcityevolve,

as you can see in this matrix everything is possible! I quoted most of what you said before you even typed it lol!hahah! :D

[ambler1980]

I dont send people "love and light".
That is all silly talk.

there will never be anything silly about positivity. it's positivity without discernment you need to be careful of.

[blad4]

You can so easily spot the concentrated left hemispheres spewing out constant loosh. Get a fucking grip and stop wasting your energy. Your worthless capitals, bolded fonts, silly insults, italicized writing, underlined words, and completely unnecessary word counts

Hilariously obvious isn't it, yet we still feel for them

[01cobravortech]

You can so easily spot the concentrated left hemispheres spewing out constant loosh. Get a fucking grip and stop wasting your energy. Your worthless capitals, bolded fonts, silly insults, italicized writing, underlined words, and completely unnecessary word counts shows the left brain on full blast. If any of you were so balanced you would not be a slave to this thread and just fuck off. Other then that, the characters of both sides of duality here showed off some pretty interesting mind chatter. No offense to anyone here from me. Even if it seems directed to any of you, it's not. :):mad::):mad::):mad:

So time to build that bridge (or repair it, whatever). The bridge of Corpus Callosum.

It is my befuckingLIEve (:rolleyes:) that micro duality will be wiped clean in the next hundred years or so. Unless the end of this 26, 000 cycle is just one big cosmic lie.


It's almost as ridiculous as saying this entire reality and all energy is just a Lucifer thought entity. Couldn't believe the amount of shit that guy on IlluminatiMatrix.wordpress had to write to just tell you to do nothing.

Wat...wat...wat...

[stanislav]

He killed it with 51 pages (and counting) just to say do nothing. He even says that none of the doom will happen now and they have lost because too many people now know, what a joke, half the people here haven't even heard of that site. Just a total left-brain fest to try and mind fuck those who are pretty deep into it all (deep into infinity? ha). Then after the left brain fest you are supposed to instill extreme passivity. Talk about complete drone.

I totally agree with you! He is indeed a DRONE in his own right but believe it or not even from people like him you can learn much. Even if he is wrong almost on everything which he claims he still puts forward some interesting and unique perspective about this reality. I still have to applaud on his work. I think his work is an art no matter how bad it is. You can't take away his time and effort he is trying to put into uncovering our mysterious reality we all found ourselves in and don't even understand|remember fully yet as to why we are here and what is our purpose. And as much as I want to hate him for all the mambo jumbo his puts forwards I love him. I don't know why but I can't deny how much I still respect him at the same time. Maybe that's what they call unconditional love because right now I have a few tears in my eyes.

[stanislav]

They have suffered so much and have lost all hope in any goodness so they turn to the dark side who has accepted them with a smirk on it's face. Come my children come I will show you a better way it said! Trust me I can very much identify with how he is feeling right now. Lost, confused, hateful, self hating person, depressed etc ... It's a terrible place, you don't want to find yourself in his shoes. If we are to be loving and understanding maybe it is our DUTY to accept them into our loving arms. We must learn how to love others even if we have to force ourselves. Maybe unconditional love is something you have to practice and practice and practice until one day you will realize that there is no need for you to practice no more for you have became pure love. To be a great man|woman one must be greater than themselves. Like a father who lets his children abuse him playfully. They do not understand they he too feels pain but he must show strength and love.

[truthseeker08]

Whatever you say bridgeeteyes!!! :D
You take yourself waayyyyy too seriously!! :)
Lighten up, will ya?!
Oh i guess you cant, because you are rejecting Light.
Suit yourself.
Vampires are people too, albeit very fallen.

[truthseeker08]

They have suffered so much and have lost all hope in any goodness so they turn to the dark side who has accepted them with a smirk on it's face. Come my children come I will show you a better way it said! Trust me I can very much identify with how he is feeling right now.
Very well said!! :)

[blad4]

I love you, Bridgeeeteyes

[truthseeker08]

I think you will find it is YOU who have underestimated me.
You have overestimated yourself on your own!
Your and lyghtkynge's self-destruction all over this thread is all your own doing!!
It is you who is BLINDED to your own FALLEN reality,
blinded by your EGO to what you have become while you profess to judge stanislav.

[vladmir]

http://andytyler.net/unbranded-bullshit-stamp.jpg
Just cut the crap lyghtkynge , you and i both know,
whatever it is that you are selling,
i am not buying. But yet again, your EGO is coming in they way.
http://www.annalsofamericus.com/wp-content/uploads/what-goes-around-comes-around.jpg
You are simply getting what you give.

[blad4]

Truth cannot be dumbed down

[bridgeeteyes]

I love you, Bridgeeeteyes

aaww thats nice, first Mark1963 and now you.

I hope you can ride horses, see Mark1963 attemped to save me on another thread with his claims of love, he assumed some Prince like role on a Mighty White Steed.... he fell off!! Theres a Zebra round here apparently attempting some Trojan attack/rescue, try that one on for size!

[mark1963]

aaww thats nice, first Mark1963 and now you.

I hope you can ride horses, see Mark1963 attemped to save me on another thread with his claims of love, he assumed some Prince like role on a Mighty White Steed.... he fell off!! Theres a Zebra round here apparently attempting some Trojan attack/rescue, try that one on for size!

I did not get on a steed or zebra. I just couldn't reach your lofty tower you were in.

I have no interest in you at all. The love I was talking about is acceptance.

[blad4]

I hope you can ride horses, see Mark1963 attemped to save me on another thread with his claims of love, he assumed some Prince like role on a Mighty White Steed.... he fell off!! Theres a Zebra round here apparently attempting some Trojan attack/rescue, try that one on for size!

Amusing, but dispelled by any reader almost instantaneously due to your horrendously low level of wit.

I love you, because I feel you are quite an alone person in real life, so I truly feel for you, and hope you will find some form of joy as time progresses

[pegcityevolve]

I totally agree with you! He is indeed a DRONE in his own right but believe it or not even from people like him you can learn much. Even if he is wrong almost on everything which he claims he still puts forward some interesting and unique perspective about this reality. I still have to applaud on his work. I think his work is an art no matter how bad it is. You can't take away his time and effort he is trying to put into uncovering our mysterious reality we all found ourselves in and don't even understand|remember fully yet as to why we are here and what is our purpose. And as much as I want to hate him for all the mambo jumbo his puts forwards I love him. I don't know why but I can't deny how much I still respect him at the same time. Maybe that's what they call unconditional love because right now I have a few tears in my eyes.Yes, that I agree, it actually had some incredible bits of information. It wouldn't be disinformation (not saying he purposely made disinfo, or perhaps he did) if it didn't have some bleeding edge esoteric knowledge. :D

[bridgeeteyes]

I was called here because of you Stanislav.

I cant help people or save people, nor would I want to. I dont wish to show people the way or convert them, their way can only be found within their own hearts. Yet within you I sensed something wonderous, but it was sleeping.

This path is not easy, yet once it is decided upon it reveals great mysterys, I felt your indecision, an indecision I had also greatly fought. That is why I came to this thread. Ego had nothing to do with it.

I saw huge potential in you, I read your posts long before you even knew of my name. I watched and wished to see you grow and develop, I willed you to spread your wings and become the Magnificent Being we all have the potential to become.

I had hoped you may find your personal power, here within the pages of this thread.

Personal Power is a feeling. Something like being lucky. Or one may call it a mood. Personal power is something that one acquires by means of a lifetime of struggle- Don Juan, Journey to Ixtlan

Seems I made a mistake , or maybe its still sleeping , only you can know for sure. I know why you struggle, fear is a difficult thing to over come. However if it is faced we are able to see the wonders of the Universe, we can learn to actually ride upon its energy as it ebbs and flows , using it to visit wonderous realms of knowledge.

Spiritual growth is hard Stanislav, it is the most difficult calling we will ever recieve in our lifetime. You have been called, but your running desperatly due to your fear. Its OK we all do, but only those who stand up to fear are able to find their own inner spiritual Power.

Maybe Don Juans words will help you. Have you read any of the Carlos Castaneda books? Please do if not, I think youd like them.

Every time a man sets himself to learn, he has to labor as hard as anyone can, and the limits of his learning are determined by his own nature. Therefore, there is no point in talking about knowledge. Fear of knowledge is natural: all of us experience it, and there is nothing we can do about it. But no matter how frightening learning is, it is more terrible to think of a man without knowledge

Take care Stanislav, have fun with your forum buddies.

[stanislav]

I was called here because of you Stanislav.

I cant help people or save people, nor would I want to. I dont wish to show people the way or convert them, their way can only be found within their own hearts. Yet within you I sensed something wonderous, but it was sleeping.

This path is not easy, yet once it is decided upon it reveals great mysterys, I felt your indecision, an indecision I had also greatly fought. That is why I came to this thread. Ego had nothing to do with it.

I saw huge potential in you, I read your posts long before you even knew of my name. I watched and wished to see you grow and develop, I willed you to spread your wings and become the Magnificent Being we all have the potential to become.

I had hoped you may find your personal power, here within the pages of this thread.



Seems I made a mistake , or maybe its still sleeping , only you can know for sure. I know why you struggle, fear is a difficult thing to over come. However if it is faced we are able to see the wonders of the Universe, we can learn to actually ride upon its energy as it ebbs and flows , using it to visit wonderous realms of knowledge.

Spiritual growth is hard Stanislav, it is the most difficult calling we will ever recieve in our lifetime. You have been called, but your running desperatly due to your fear. Its OK we all do, but only those who stand up to fear are able to find their own inner spiritual Power.

Maybe Don Juans words will help you. Have you read any of the Carlos Castaneda books? Please do if not, I think youd like them.



Take care Stanislav, have fun with your forum buddies.

Thank you so much for still believing in me. To be honest I don't want this thread to die. I feel like I am torn apart between two polarities. I want to satisfy BOTH. I want ALL to feel accepted no matter how wrong in someone else's eyes they might be. I understand where you and LK are coming from. I know that LK doesn't really hate me even when he calls me names. I know he knows better. Ancient blood LK. Remember?

[merlincove]

Ok boys and girls, rather than lose this thread to the rant room i have edited a number of posts and their subsequent quoted replies out that were of a derogatory stance, off topic and personal baiting away from the subject matter raised in the OP.

If members can not discuss the finer points as discussed without resorting toward derision of members and ridiculing one another for having a differing POV, then I’d request kindly that they refrain from posting here.

Moderation requests have been made (three times) and yet members continue to offer little toward discussion and much toward division.

Further off topic posts and posts designed to hijack the thread and / or insult other members will result in further moderation.

Pleas reconsider this to be a first warning. The forum is not a place for members to further old disagreements or to address insults and sanctimonious attitudes with a view against others’ POV’s.

[theperceivingeye]

Dont feel sorry for me, your gonna need all that for yourself. I however feel nothing for you, not even sorrow.

Your really not impressing anybody with this "hardness" image you are trying to project. I know you have the same capacity to feel all the emotions I do; you have just built up so many walls (emotional armor) around yourself you seem to have deadened them. You associate so strongly with the distorted lens through which you currently view reality I wouldn't dare try to convince you otherwise.

Call me names all you want, it's clear for anyone to see you are playing the role of FOLLOWER/proselytizer here.

[merlincove]

like i said guys, lets get back on topic and leave the past behind eh?

:D

[lyghtkynge]

Thank you so much for still believing in me. To be honest I don't want this thread to die. I feel like I am torn apart between two polarities. I want to satisfy BOTH. I want ALL to feel accepted no matter how wrong in someone else's eyes they might be. I understand where you and LK are coming from. I know that LK doesn't really hate me even when he calls me names. I know he knows better. Ancient blood LK. Remember?
Sure, I remember; I told you, remember?
And I couldn't hate you anymore than love you, but I know what you are going through.

No man can serve Two Masters. And there Are, Two Masters. It's HOW Creation is Made (remember the Itzhak Bentov Egg Creation video I Am always posting? He Observed that in A State of Christos Consciousness, or whatever word you care to use for it: there are many).

It is best that we Part Paths Here-Now. And if I said your intellect isn't that sharp, I had best hasten to explain that I haven't much respect for intellect, only Intuition, and your's is Very Fine, as I well Know.
In the mind of man are magical portals
That open for him who turns aside
From the turbulent ways of his fellow-mortals
To follow the path of the purified.
And he receives in generous measure
Both human wisdom and that of the Gods.
In the quest for learning I take no pleasure,
Nor envy the pedant whose intellect plods.
(from Dionysos)
You Count, but by a Hair's Breath only.
You will have to Make Up That Non-Present 'Number.'
Farewell to you the dark overlords eli-jehovi and to your misspent youth
Farewell to you dark angels Michael and Gabriel for your deceptions
shall be no more
Your divide and conquer through the many religions and gods
is now coming to an end
Your double inverted mirror is about to be shattered in your faces
(Raphiem; thanks, SA!)

And there came other thoughts from this point. An average human being always tends to think the big religions (so called judeo-christian and islam) warns us against Lucifer's way and tell us to do exact practices for our good. They even interfere and tell us what to eat/drink, when to eat, with whom to have sex, how to pray, how to worship with details.

These are all for humanity's good, to "save" them so to speak.

But... what if these all are for the "parasite's" good?

What if these practices guarantees the well being of archon mind which took over humanity as we recently discuss here in several threads?
(Thanks to SA, Great Friend, again)
Don Juan Matus' world is so vast, so mysterious and contradictory, that it isn't suitable for an exercise in linear exposition; the most one can do is describe it, and that alone is a supreme effort.

As far as I know, nothing of what don Juan taught us seems to have a counterpart in Western knowledge.

"Everyone Genaro finds on his way to Ixtlan is only an ephemeral being," don Juan explained. "Take you, for instance. You are a phantom. . ."
(C.Castaneda)
I'll remind you once more, that I Have Not Changed:
In the mortal words of vladmir:
@ stanislav and lyghtkynge

I just noticed both of your posts, especially the quotes - totally mind-blowing.....
It had a ring of Truth to it that is not for the faint of heart...kinda scary, but fascinating, especially the rebellion part....but wayyy over my head, but cant avoid it, like a moth to a flame........I was wondering about the quotes from the book "Apprentice to a Death Defier: Part 1: Scales of the Dragon (Pt. 1)", and i am wondering if you have a pdf version of the said book, or perhaps an online edition......
http://www.davidicke.com/forum/showpost.php?p=1058443875&postcount=53
The "elite" as such are more what you call Aton worshippers... which is sun worship.
(thirdwave, moderator)
http://www.davidicke.com/forum/showpost.php?p=1058447157&postcount=70
As far as Rapid Spiritual Awakening, it comes only with Extreme Effort.
For, you are in the Forest of Thorns, Searching for ... The Christos ... The Fourth Force, which ALL-One [Alone] EnAbles the Birth of The Fifth, Your Quintessence. You Are Lucifer, The Searcher, and You Carry A S-Word. Happy Hunting.

See You In IXtlan.

[zsymon]

Let me try and get this thread back on the rails...

Lyghtkynge,

Could you explain to me how you see the two masters of the Universe? As
I said before, you might have missed it in your tyrades against me, that I
too believe there are two masters, two Creators. Please use normal English,
not wild riddles that no one really understands, also I had to learn English
from a text game, so try to use simple words. I am very much interested in
your theory about the two Creators.. if anything I can't see how it can be
very different from what I've learned.

Service to Others.
I believe in a Creator of Light.. Light for me, as this is the Creator from which
my soul was born. This creator was the source of all Divine positivity, such
as unconditional love, which is not a physical concept, it is a Divine concept,
as well as unconditional compassion and unconditional forgiveness. Those are
the main three energies of the Creator of Light... or in other words, these
are the energies of the Creator from whom the path of service to others was
born.

Service to Self.
And a Creator of non light.. possibly Light for you, as this seems to be the
Creator from which your soul was born, but I can't make this judgement for
sure. This creator was the source of all Divine negativity, such as fear and
hatred, power and control, anger and ego as well as ownership. These are
the energies of the Creator of non light... or in other words, these are the
energies of the Creator from whom the path of service to self was born.

The Dual Energies:
Both energies, both Creators are needed for the Universe to sustain its
continued Existence for all of eternity. If one Creator would ever destroy
the other, the Universe would collapse and eventually be destroyed. But
this is impossible, because both Creators made sure that all souls they've
created, are immortal, and no soul can ever be destroyed or uncreated.
Energy comes forth from all souls and from both creators, so as long as
there are souls, which will be forever, there will be Creation and Universe.


The Soul in Duality:
Now I believe that all souls were born from one of these Creators during the
beginning of the creation of the Universe. This means a soul is either a non
light soul, or a soul that is on a path of service to self, or a soul is a Light
soul, or a soul on a path of service to others.

I don't know what kind of soul you have, Bridgeeteyes and Lyghtkynge, but
the energies you are using to spread your opinion on this forum, is the energy
of service to self. I am not saying one path is better than the other, they're
just very different.. for those who are Light, these energies come over as
very insulting, provocative, aggressive and generally extremely unpleasant,
for those who are not Light, they are normal, everyday emotions, they don't
feel that there is anything wrong with it.

Respect and Honour:
But what counts for both sides.. is intelligence, beauty, respect, honour,
intuition and wisdom.. These things count for both Light and non light, and
the moment you step away from, for example, respect.. you lose your own
integrity and you let go of the ability to fulfil your purpose.. as disrespect
and dishonour always work against your goals. The same counts for ugliness,
idiocy, loss of direction and folly.. once you accept these things into your
life, your goals are in jeapardy.. whether you are on a path of service to self
or on a path of service to others.

Anger and hatred may be powerful energies and emotions for those who are
on a path of service to self, but when they let these energies out unguided,
it results in a complete failure for them.. no one will be willing to follow them,
no one will be willing to help them, no one will be willing to believe them, and
they lose their ability to fulfill their purpose. If you try and convince people
to follow and believe you, and all you do is throw insults at anyone who dares
to disagree, or who has a different opinion, your mission will fail.

People's Beliefs and Truths.
Also, I am not asking anyone to copy my beliefs, my truths, my purpose is not to
feed people with my knowledge and my experiences. My purpose is to help people
find the truth all by themselves, to help them connect with the Light, with their
higher self, so they can ask all the questions they want and no longer have to rely
on the internet for information about spirituality, or even about anything at all.

The only reason I post my beliefs is to give people a chance to use my beliefs to
help evolve their own beliefs. It is their choice whether to be interested in what
I have to say, or to be uninterested. I don't write here to have my posts picked
apart line by line, and be told how wrong I am.. no one is privvy to the absolute
truth, I learned the hard way that the absolute truth does not exist for people like
us, learning and remembering and awakening. The truth is deeply layered, and all
of our beliefs and truths touch upon different layers and depths of layers.. all our
truth is good, all our beliefs are good.. there is no point in telling people how wrong
they are. There is a point in sharing beliefs and perspectives, but there is no point
in trying to wreck someone's belief system publically... everyone is right in their
own way, no one has the right to judge someone or tell them how wrong they are.

I am not always perfect in these matters, but I do my best and I work very hard
on improving.

P.S.

I agree that it is not easy to achieve spiritual awakening, and my original post
did not really try to say that it is easy, but it can be rapid if you follow your
intuition and your guidance. I have met people who have achieved communication
with their higher self within months, using similar techniques as the ones I had
mentioned in the original post. Everyone has a different path, some people stay
on course, use their intuition, other people follow their mind and take much and
much longer to start awakening.

My original post didn't really try to say how to rapidly awaken, it tried to give a
tool on how to relatively quickly get to a point at which you can start awakening.

[vladmir]

I'll remind you once more, that I Have Not Changed
Yes, clearly.
And i have Changed, by imbibing from you what NOT to do.
(Its for the better, but i know as your pov is inverted, it seems to you the opposite.)
Now you can beat your chest all day long and claim otherwise, whatever....


As far as Rapid Spiritual Awakening, it comes only with Extreme Effort.
Wrong AGAIN. It comes as a Gift Of GRACE. And its Effortless!
But like you said, your path is NOT the ONLY Path, its is but 1.
And its not mine.
Mine is of the Tao.
"A Clear mind comes from the wonderful fundamental essence given us by nature and is not a personal possession. Impartiality beyond any specific culture fosters clarity and deeper seeing. It is not hard to produce wisdom... what is hard is to have wisdom not interrupted".
My path was never interrupted, least of all by you (whatever you think you are) you only think you know it ALL.


It is best that we Part Paths Here-Now.
We already did.
But you wanted a reunion.
It failed.
Have a nice day. :)

Thanks merlincove, i hope this will be my last post in this thread.
Again, i hope you are feeling better zsymon! :)

[vladmir]

zsymon, and stanislav take a look at this:
Source:
http://missionignition.net/blue/death_orgasm.php


be still ... listen within ... listen to your heart beat ... to your breath ... to the blood rushing through your veins ... listen to nature breathe .... be still ....

your mind is a program ... it filters out that which does not fit into anything it has experienced ... your mind supplies your EGO with self-distractions that your EGO has never experienced or known or owned the real YOU ... the TRUE SELF .... through self-distractions ... through pain and pleasure .... you have come to believe that your EGO-MIND is your true self ... you have forgotten that the all-all-that-is which is you ... you have become enslaved to your EGO ...

and so you find yourSELF in a difficult situation ... what you term a catch-22 ... how to still the mind-EGO and yet at the same instance speak to your EGO and embrace it .... how to embrace and love the EGO and allow it to continually sabotage yourSELF and yet still know that you are one and the same as the all-that-is ...

the answer to this is by being still and feeling .... feel the all-that-is ... feel every vibration .... and should your EGO begin analysis-paralysis of these feelings and sensations ... do not suppress or resist these thoughts but allow them to be, to flow and allow them full right of access .... but in doing so observe them .... and know them and understand from where they come from ... for the all-that-is-you also exists in these limited and filtered thoughts .... for they are not separate from the feelings but in reality they are the one and the same as your feelings .... just as the river of water is not separate from the ocean of water ... your thoughts are not separate from your feelings ... they are a but a filtered frequency ...

as you instill your mind/ego .... know that you are and ALWAYS the ALL-THAT-IS ... say, feel, touch this knowingness ... repeat it in every action, expression and articulation that you are and always the all-that-is .... slowly but surely this will be-come a realisation .... eventually in your timing ... your body will surge with waves of electrical energy ... washing over your physical senses .... an ecstacy much like that of your orgasms ....

know you what an orgasm is ?? it is death! ... it is the feeling and sensation of the illusion you know as DEATH .... this is your orgasm .... at your moment of death when your soul releases its attachement to your spacesuit ... the sensation of feeling ... the letting go ... the allowance and de-attachment ... the release ... the separation ... is like that of the most wonderful orgasm you have had and more unparalleled ... the instance of death itself is not painful at all ... although it may appear that way to the observer ... this may come a surprise to many ... this is a truth we speak ... in a manner of speaking ... orgasms are a form of consciousness ascension ... when they are expressed and come through the heart-chakra open ... your sexual tension can be likened unto ascension tension ;o) ...

your EGO may be asking, questioning or in judgement as why is it that BLUE is bringing forth this subject topic of orgasms and death ... the simple truth is when you are one with the all-that-is ... the electric sensation is like that of an orgasm ... but understand it is not a sexual orgasm but that of a multi-layered, multi-leveled, multi-faceted orgasm ... it is as if all your organs and glands are having their own orgasm ... every cell is in this state of bliss ... vibration ... nowness .... very few have had glimpses of this ... where they were connected and one with all and everything .... there is an electric buzz ... in some it can be heard vibrating behind their ears ... crackling ... as it gets louder and then "wham" ... they have snapped out of it and back with the EGO in control ... oh human how close you are to ascension ...


know you your consciousness shifting ... rising ... and what you term and define ascension to the next level is exactly this cosmic orgasm .... and we can not impress further the importance of your heart-chakra ... the centre of the all-that-is .... thus why you may find our host Raphiem so obsessed and to some fanatical when it comes to the heart-thymus chakra ... this is your shield against the seen and the unseen .... when heart is centred-opened-receiving ... the shields are at full power ... when heart-closed-restrictive ... the shields are weakened ... defences down ... the words chosen here do no justice as we are dealing with limited vocabulary of our technically minded host ...

your heart-chakra is the centre of you as your Earth is the centre of the solar system which is the centre of your galaxy which is the centre of your universe ... how is that for perspective .. what is the heart-centre of your earth you ask ... mmm .. we will entertain you and say it is Australia ... and more so Uluru [Ayer's Rock] within Australia is the heart-chakra of your earth ...

this is the universal alignment ... it is all hearts are lining up on all levels seen and unseen ... synchronising like a cosmic clock set to ring the divining bell ..


the I of yOU is the centre that sits within you .... patiently waiting and watching ... knowing no time or space for it is the eternal now filling all things .... it is this I of YOU that directs and gives you guidance from your unseen but only to be ignored by your EGO mind ... for we are all and the same and the one ... nothing separates us from you as nothing separates us from the all-that-is ... but only your perception ... we know and experience are the all-that-is ... for you it is unknown ... unexperienced but only mere concepts ... but a moment in your time is coming where you will come to know and experience this ... you will know yourSELF and OWN yourSELF ... the I of YOU is what animates YOU ... gives YOu purpose .... gives you life ... in the seen and unseen ... for nothing is dead ...


many of you assume that thinking creates your reality .... this is not completey true! ..... it is the thinking with and through your heart that creates your external reality ... it is not the thinking and imagery perpetuated through your EGO-MIND ... as these are only limited forms of creation .... know you your heart/chakra is also a thinking organ working in parallel with your crown chakra .... however unlike your crown chakra where thought is received/downloaded from your spirit and then filtered through you EGO/MIND ... your heart/chakra does not receive filtered but full and complete thought expressed as a different vibration of thought you term feelings ..... never the less it is one and the same ... the battle between your EGO and HEART is your inner battle of armegeddon ... the winner of this battle is that which unconditionally embraces and encompasses all including its "perceived" enemy ... which is in "truth" itself ... for there is in truth no other way ...

think/feel/create from within the quiet space of your heart .... for in this centre all things can be transformed in and with the spirit of your flaming hearts ... likened unto the alchemist's crucible ...

[fallen1]

The thing I get out of this thread is that ultimately we are all what we are.....light or dark spirits and it is pointless to fight against it as we can only exist and thrive on one of these paths. I have no idea which I am as both seem to be in a deadlock in me. I am certain that none of us can escape our destinies and for better or worse they are knocking at the door.

[zsymon]

About enlightenment and ascension,

Like I have mentioned before, what I learned taught me that there is no such
thing as a process to become enlightened or ascended, this is obviously just
my belief, derived from my experiences and from what I have learned through
the years, but there is something that is more or less similar, but it cannot be
categorized as an enlightenment or ascension process.. as it does not place
us above others.

The desire to become more than others is a derived ego energy, and we have
to let go of such feelings if we don't want them to hold us back in our path.
We have to realize that we are all equal in the Light, and that we are already
amazing, flawless and Divine beings.. we just have to remember that we are.

Invasion of the Dark.

I believe that all Light beings are equal, their souls are billions of years old,
and they have already learned everything that a life on a planet such as this
can teach them. However, thousands of years ago, the Light Realm of this
solar system was invaded by the non light that came here, and we were all
disconnected from our higher self, massive blocks were placed on Earth and
on our souls, and since then we are born without memories.

Before that horrible time, during which we couldn't even enter the Light when
we died, and had to stay on Earth, all Light souls were born with all their
memories intact, memories of past lives and memories of time in the Light.

Our Purpose as Light.

Now, our purpose here on Earth is what you have already been doing, Vern,
to help others and to sacrifice ourselves for the sake of the planet. We all
need to wake up and realize what is going on, and then we need to start
remembering who we truly are. Right now we have little memory of who we
really are, and this block makes it very hard for us to find out our purpose.

Also, our past life blocks, which are basically wounds we received during our
struggle with darkness in past incarnations, are also working to block our
awakening, to block our spiritual evolution as flawless, perfect Light beings.
Perfect in this sense as to be completely free of ego and negative energies.

Awakening and Remembering.

So, the Light, God, Divine Spirit, Mother Earth, however you want to define
the "Light", is asking of us to find a way to remove our blocks, so we can be
free in our spiritual awakening, and in our remembering of who we are. Once
we become free and our spiritual path advances, once we stop eating meat
and stop watching violent movies, our vibrational energy will increase every
day (which is the amount of Light inside your physical body). Now the higher
this vibrational energy becomes in your body, the more you will then start to
remember your past life, first in dreams and visions, later as actual memories.
Also, as it increases, you become open to other dimensions and frequencies,
and you will be able to see spirits and elementals, astral aliens and all beings
who come to Earth in another frequency or dimension.

This will keep going, slow for some, fast for others, until your vibrational
energy is so high, that your higher self is completely incorporated within your
physical body, and from that moment on you have achieved full connection
with all that is Light, you will be able to see all frequencies and all dimensions
and you will be who you really are, a billion year old being with tremendous
healing powers.

Living as Spirit Incarnate.

It is not really ascension or enlightenment, it does not place us above other
people, and those who are spirit incarnate, who have full connection with
their higher self, have let go of all ego, of all pride, of all status and are very
humble. It isn't enlightenment or ascension, you don't ascend up and you do
not become God, you just remember who you really are.

More Light beings than you might think have reaches this stage, but you will
not find them on TV or giving channelings on the internet, you won't find them
writing stacks of books to tell people what to believe and what to think or do.
They usually form small communities, often with a forum, and from there they
teach people, their purpose is to get people on their own path of awakening
and remembering. Their purpose is not to create followers, but to help people
achieve what they have achieved, an amount of remembering and awakening
that is necessary to join the global healing effort on this planet.

Future Earth Paradise.

It is thanks to people like these, really thanks to all of us that are Light, even
if we don't realize it, even if our numbers are small, that non light souls can
not incarnate on Earth anymore. Thanks to us, the future of the plane is now
secure, and since 2008 no non light soul will ever be able to incarnate on
Earth again. Because just like our vibrational energy is increasing, so is that of
the Earth, and in 2008 it reached such a high state that non light souls find it
impossible to incarnate here anymore.

This is why the power of the ruling elite is broken.. all their leaders have died
natural deaths, or were assassinated by opposing non light factions, or any
of the alien races that have been trying to take over Earth since thousands
of years.. and they cannot be replaced, because those that are left are too
weak, and the strong cannot incarnate anymore. They try to communicate
through black magick, but the energy on Earth is too high for black magick to
be used efficiently anymore.

P.S.

Just for the record, I am not sucking these things out of my thumb, much of
my beliefs come from experiences where I have seen these things and events
with my own eyes. Sure my mentor helps me understand the bigger picture,
but everything she tells me gets confirmed one way or another at a later point
by my own personal experiences. I have worked very hard to learn what I have,
and I do not write these things down to be judged or picked apart, I appreciate
if you write down your own perspectives, whether you agree or disagree with
mine, but please keep the insults, aggression, hatred and belittlements in check,
thank you. I have noticed that some people are deeply touched by what I write,
and other people feel like murdering me because of my beliefs, even though I've
never once insulted or attacked them.

This is why I ask for some amount of mutual respect.

[fallen1]

But that still leaves us to deal with the alien factions trying to invade earth doesn't it? And if they can't be born on earth can't the dark spirits be born on another planet and come here as aliens? Sounds like we still have heaps of problems to deal with.

Aside from that I have no idea how to have my blocks removed(would that even work on past life blocks anyway?) and I don't even now if I'm a light spirit or not as I seem to have equal shave good and bad impulses though the bad impulses are usuall drawn by learning of or seeing bad actions.

[zsymon]

But that still leaves us to deal with the alien factions trying to invade earth doesn't it? And if they can't be born on earth can't the dark spirits be born on another planet and come here as aliens? Sounds like we still have heaps of problems to deal with.

Aside from that I have no idea how to have my blocks removed(would that even work on past life blocks anyway?) and I don't even now if I'm a light spirit or not as I seem to have equal shave good and bad impulses though the bad impulses are usuall drawn by learning of or seeing bad actions.

Aliens, many different factions and races, have been coming to Earth for
many thousands of years. One time this race was in control, a bit later
they were destroyed and another alien race came in control, we are now
already invaded, there are no more alien races invading because they've
already invaded.

They cannot take over physically anymore, because right now we are under
control of the Pleiadeans and the Reptilians, but they still try to control and
steal the energy from Earth from the astral realms close to Earth.

Many of these alien factions and races are leaving now as well, because the
vibrational energy of the solar system is becoming far too high for them to
be here comfortably. Races such as the Reptilians, Grays, Annunaki, Nordics
and Pleiadeans, are all preparing to leave here, as their power is broken even
from the astral, and physically they have no force anymore to cause any
changes on Earth.

Yes, the healing that is offered to people on Earth right now is called a past
life block removal. It gets rid of all implants and energy blocks, as well as
emotional blocks, that we have gathered in this life and in our many past
incarnations.

We have not been able to have them removed in the past, this is the only
time in millions of years that the window is opened for us to receive a total
and permanent block removal. Once the healing is done, no new blocks or
implants can be placed within us anymore, for as long as we live on Earth,
or in this solar system. Which may be billions of years for some of us..

If you are interested in this block healing, I can put you in contact with a
healer who does all her healing free of charge, and from any distance. You
won't have to give her any personal information, such as a picture or your
real name, all you have to do is send her an email asking for block removal,
and if you want tell her about any other problems you have in your life, so
she can do specific extra healing for those issues as well.

It's an offer you won't find anywhere else, at least not without some very
thorough searching and investigation.

It's up to you. :)

[fallen1]

I'd appreciate that. I'll be gone for the next 6 hrs as I have to go to college but I'll get to it as soon as I can.

[zsymon]

Alright, just send me a private message and I will get you in touch with the healer. :)

[stanislav]

Aliens, many different factions and races, have been coming to Earth for
many thousands of years. One time this race was in control, a bit later
they were destroyed and another alien race came in control, we are now
already invaded, there are no more alien races invading because they've
already invaded.

They cannot take over physically anymore, because right now we are under
control of the Pleiadeans and the Reptilians, but they still try to control and
steal the energy from Earth from the astral realms close to Earth.

Many of these alien factions and races are leaving now as well, because the
vibrational energy of the solar system is becoming far too high for them to
be here comfortably. Races such as the Reptilians, Grays, Annunaki, Nordics
and Pleiadeans, are all preparing to leave here, as their power is broken even
from the astral, and physically they have no force anymore to cause any
changes on Earth.

Yes, the healing that is offered to people on Earth right now is called a past
life block removal. It gets rid of all implants and energy blocks, as well as
emotional blocks, that we have gathered in this life and in our many past
incarnations.

We have not been able to have them removed in the past, this is the only
time in millions of years that the window is opened for us to receive a total
and permanent block removal. Once the healing is done, no new blocks or
implants can be placed within us anymore, for as long as we live on Earth,
or in this solar system. Which may be billions of years for some of us..

If you are interested in this block healing, I can put you in contact with a
healer who does all her healing free of charge, and from any distance. You
won't have to give her any personal information, such as a picture or your
real name, all you have to do is send her an email asking for block removal,
and if you want tell her about any other problems you have in your life, so
she can do specific extra healing for those issues as well.

It's an offer you won't find anywhere else, at least not without some very
thorough searching and investigation.

It's up to you. :)

zsymon,

How do you know that ALIENS (extra-terrestrial, creature from outer space) have visited this planet for thousands of years? Don’t you think it’s a bit of a bold claim|statement to make? How do you know they are aliens and not something else? What if this are not aliens at all? Native Americans long ago mentioned the tricksters in their legends. I am more inclined to believe that this is the case. We do not absolutely know what they are since they tend to change shape, size, and appearance according to our expectations and according to our technological advancements. You seem to be exhibiting a very naive and very limited observation about the outer reality when it comes to this subject (and spirituality in general). Maybe my words will offend you but if I was to tell a child they have not matured yet I would probably offend them too. I simply can’t ignore your naivety. It’s dangerous! To you and for everyone else who is trying to uncover the truth about this subject. Like I said this before in my previous reply and I will repeat this for you once again. You seem to have a very limited one sided view about reality and if you were thoroughly to observe your thought process you will realize that there is little chance it’s them against us or dark against light. It is so much more, considering the limitless nature of this existence. You speak about the Annunaki as if this was a race when really all it was an interpretation by Sitchin who was debunked many times over. I feel that much of your explanation about spirituality is wishful thinking more than anything else but that is precisely what the New Age community is all about. It sort of reminds me of Christianity but in different cloth and with different terms. Instead of Jesus it’s the aliens who will save us.

[stanislav]

zsymon, and why not give her link out in public rather then offer it in private? Is it because you want to feel special or is it against the rules here?

Her website:

REMOVED


Her Facebook:

http://www.facebook.com/helen.basden


Enjoy everyone!

[fallen1]

zsymon,

How do you know that ALIENS (extra-terrestrial, creature from outer space) have visited this planet for thousands of years? Don’t you think it’s a bit of a bold claim|statement to make? How do you know they are aliens and not something else? What if this are not aliens at all? Native Americans long ago mentioned the tricksters in their legends. I am more inclined to believe that this is the case. We do not absolutely know what they are since they tend to change shape, size, and appearance according to our expectations and according to our technological advancements. You seem to be exhibiting a very naive and very limited observation about the outer reality when it comes to this subject (and spirituality in general). Maybe my words will offend you but if I was to tell a child they have not matured yet I would probably offend them too. I simply can’t ignore your naivety. It’s dangerous! To you and for everyone else who is trying to uncover the truth about this subject. Like I said this before in my previous reply and I will repeat this for you once again. You seem to have a very limited one sided view about reality and if you were thoroughly to observe your thought process you will realize that there is little chance it’s them against us or dark against light. It is so much more, considering the limitless nature of this existence. You speak about the Annunaki as if this was a race when really all it was an interpretation by Sitchin who was debunked many times over. I feel that much of your explanation about spirituality is wishful thinking more than anything else but that is precisely what the New Age community is all about. It sort of reminds me of Christianity but in different cloth and with different terms. Instead of Jesus it’s the aliens who will save us.

He said nothing of aliens saving us....to the contrary he said they conquered us and now are leaving. Beyond that there is a lot of disinformation out there and language is limited with a lot of ways to describe/express the same things so I would at least keep an open mind to what he says. I don't think he's lying about how often he visited the spirit realm(s) so there is some basis in reality to what he says. Have you seen or been to the spiritual realms as often?

I am not attacking you but I am saying to be cautious about the things you learn with your senses grounded in this reality.

[stanislav]

He said nothing of aliens saving us....to the contrary he said they conquered us and now are leaving. Beyond that there is a lot of disinformation out there and language is limited with a lot of ways to describe/express the same things so I would at least keep an open mind to what he says. I don't think he's lying about how often he visited the spirit realm(s) so there is some basis in reality to what he says. Have you seen or been to the spiritual realms as often?

I am not attacking you but I am saying to be cautious about the things you learn with your senses grounded in this reality.

I was talking about New Age community in general. They too are divided from within just like every Christian church will have a slightly to vastly different understanding about what the Bible really tells. So is with the New Age cults. Some believe aliens are here to save us others believe they are here to enslave us. I say show me any evidence that actually point to this beings to be anything but aliens? Can we really say so? I doubt because if you examine carefully the photographic evidence and all of the accounts of the so called alien abductions this might not turn out to be the case.

[zsymon]

zsymon,

How do you know that ALIENS (extra-terrestrial, creature from outer space) have visited this planet for thousands of years? Don’t you think it’s a bit of a bold claim|statement to make? How do you know they are aliens and not something else? What if this are not aliens at all? Native Americans long ago mentioned the tricksters in their legends. I am more inclined to believe that this is the case. We do not absolutely know what they are since they tend to change shape, size, and appearance according to our expectations and according to our technological advancements. You seem to be exhibiting a very naive and very limited observation about the outer reality when it comes to this subject (and spirituality in general). Maybe my words will offend you but if I was to tell a child they have not matured yet I would probably offend them too. I simply can’t ignore your naivety. It’s dangerous! To you and for everyone else who is trying to uncover the truth about this subject. Like I said this before in my previous reply and I will repeat this for you once again. You seem to have a very limited one sided view about reality and if you were thoroughly to observe your thought process you will realize that there is little chance it’s them against us or dark against light. It is so much more, considering the limitless nature of this existence. You speak about the Annunaki as if this was a race when really all it was an interpretation by Sitchin who was debunked many times over. I feel that much of your explanation about spirituality is wishful thinking more than anything else but that is precisely what the New Age community is all about. It sort of reminds me of Christianity but in different cloth and with different terms. Instead of Jesus it’s the aliens who will save us.

Well, you are free to think of my beliefs and experiences what you will. :)

It is not my job to convince people I am speaking the truth, I just write
down my experiences and beliefs in the hope that someone will recognize
them as similar to their own experiences, and be able to learn from them.

Many people have different beliefs, and it is pointless to tell someone that
their beliefs are naive or limited, this is judging and that has never helped
anyone. I found it most productive to just accept everyone's beliefs as
their own, as equally valuable as mine, and equally interesting. Different
sure, but I learned that there is no such thing as an absolute truth here on
Earth, especially not about spirituality, and therefor I feel that it is pointless
to tell others they are wrong.

If my beliefs don't resonate with yours, then just ignore them. :)

I've been able to help a great amount of people already on this forum, with
healing and by answering their questions, so I feel strong in my faith that I
am doing the right thing, that what I am saying, doing or believing, is certainly
not dangerous, naive or limited in any way, shape or form.

My experiences taught me that there is no such thing as neutrality or polar
oneness. Every single being and energy I ever met in my thousands of intense
spiritual experiences, taught me that neutrality is an illusion, that everything
is polarized. I learned that the Universe needs to be polarized because it can
not sustain its continued existence with the stagnation that neutrality brings.

Again, these are just my beliefs, I am not trying to convince anyone that I
am speaking the truth, so I much appreciate to not be judged or told that I
am wrong, because none of us here are God, so who are we to say who is
right or wrong? I don't mind if people tell me I am wrong, but I learned that
such an attitude will quickly turn a thread into a slugfest. People will often
feel threatened and angered by beliefs that go against their own, so it is
important that we respect eachother's beliefs and experiences.. and accept
that no one owns the absolute truth.

[zsymon]

I was talking about New Age community in general. They too are divided from within just like every Christian church will have a slightly to vastly different understanding about what the Bible really tells. So is with the New Age cults. Some believe aliens are here to save us others believe they are here to enslave us. I say show me any evidence that actually point to this beings to be anything but aliens? Can we really say so? I doubt because if you examine carefully the photographic evidence and all of the accounts of the so called alien abductions this might not turn out to be the case.

I think it is much more productive to listen to people's personal experiences
with aliens.. they all confirm what I say about aliens, and that's the whole
reason I am saying what I am, as this belief is confirmed by so many people,
and it is confirmed by my own experiences with aliens as well.. but I wouldn't
be so sure about this if I only had my own experiences to base myself on..
as the experiences of one man really don't say all that much.. that's why I
listen what other people tell me about their alien experiences.

Also, I have nothing to do with the New Age community.. this community is
part of the reason why so much disinformation is being spread in the first
place. I don't read New Age books or texts or channelings or beliefs, I only
base my beliefs on my own experiences. These experiences scream to me
that neutrality is an illusion, because time and time and time again always
when I thought I had found neutrality, it turned out to be an illusion, and
the beings turned out to be quite malevolent.. but again, that is just my
belief, my personal, subjective experiences, nothing more and nothing less.

[stanislav]

Many people have different beliefs, and it is pointless to tell someone that
their beliefs are naive or limited, this is judging and that has never helped
anyone. I found it most productive to just accept everyone's beliefs as
their own, as equally valuable as mine, and equally interesting. Different
sure, but I learned that there is no such thing as an absolute truth here on
Earth, especially not about spirituality, and therefor I feel that it is pointless
to tell others they are wrong. If my beliefs don't resonate with yours, then just ignore them. :)



Aren't you the one who is diligently spreading your truth and beliefs all over this board? Your aim is obvious but expect resistance. I love it how you immediately pretend to be a VICTIM when you feel insulted or threatened by others who are bold and don't hold back. YOU were the one to go on lyghtkynge thread warning everyone not to listen to his truth and beliefs. Were you not? So that makes you a hypocrite right there! And why would I ignore your beliefs? This forum is for everyone and if you decided to come here and share your truth then expect opposition form those who do not resonate with your truth. Something is not quite right about what you present. You seem to be extremely polarized towards the light and yet at the same time I can see the deceptive nature you carry. I think you are just hiding behind a false light without knowing it. The fact that you divide everything and everyone into two camps is what makes me wonder about your nature and the agenda behind your presence here.

[stanislav]

I think it is much more productive to listen to people's personal experiences
with aliens.. they all confirm what I say about aliens, and that's the whole
reason I am saying what I am, as this belief is confirmed by so many people,
and it is confirmed by my own experiences with aliens as well.. but I wouldn't
be so sure about this if I only had my own experiences to base myself on..
as the experiences of one man really don't say all that much.. that's why I
listen what other people tell me about their alien experiences.


So two billions Muslims who believe in Allah and Islam make it legitimate religion? Thousands of people see The Virgin Marry and Jesus as apparitions, in dream/astral encounters, visions but that does not invalidate the fact that they are still a MYTH! So when thousands of people encounter this beings and call them aliens because that is what they have been told by MUFON or people like yourself does not mean they are what we think they are. I have also encountered what you may call the GREYS but in all honestly I can not call this beings aliens. It's a phenomena that most of us have no clue what it really is and anyone who claims they know exactly what they are is either blinded by their own error or wants to feel special.

[nectars]

"You were born free and you will die free, but will you live free?"

[jayhow]

I would enjoy listening to your views on this thread, everyone's views are
valuable and worth listening to, if you would only leave behind your insults,
belittlement, anger and judgementality.

I ask you, in all respect, to either leave behind your intense negativity, or
take it to me in private messages or the private chatroom. Is that really
too much to ask?

Zsymon, by replying to their posts you are feeding their negative energies and attempts to drag down your thread. My advice would be, let them continue to post in the open as is their right but try to refrain from engaging with them and trying to justify yourself to them . You know your ultimate truth so there is no need to defend yourself against their views or attacks. Just carry on with the good work.

[bridgeeteyes]

Her website:

REMOVED


Her Facebook:

http://www.facebook.com/helen.basden


Enjoy everyone!


That site (now removed) is absolute classic New Age, New Age IMO has become a New form of religion . Same old method of control just different characters to worship with different "negative" forces to fight. You're all so caught up in the whole New Age V Aliens matrix saga your being fed, your loosing sight of the Real.

Im not religious in any way shape or form.

Churches are monuments to self importance.--Don Juan

[nectars]

You're all so caught up in the whole New Age V Aliens matrix saga your being fed, your loosing sight of the Real.

Sweeping judgements are unwise; be more specific as some here dont fall into that catagory.

Not that theres agreement here with much of this thread, but what do you call "real"?

[bridgeeteyes]

Sweeping judgements are unwise; be more specific as some here dont fall into that catagory.

Not that theres agreement here with much of this thread, but what do you call "real"?


Just for you then, I'll be more specific, wouldnt want to be accussed of throwing sweeping judgements around....

Most are caught up in the whole New Age V Aliens matrix saga your being fed, your loosing sight of the Real.

As for the Real, its been discussed, as you well know, on this forum, its even been linked to in this very thread by YOU, so please dont insult my intelligence by asking me this question.

[zsymon]

Zsymon, by replying to their posts you are feeding their negative energies and attempts to drag down your thread. My advice would be, let them continue to post in the open as is their right but try to refrain from engaging with them and trying to justify yourself to them . You know your ultimate truth so there is no need to defend yourself against their views or attacks. Just carry on with the good work.

You are entirely correct, and I much appreciate your reminder. I will do my
best to follow this advice again from now on. I guess it was unavoidable
when writing on a forum like this one, to be judged and attacked. The forum
I come from, knows no judgementality of any kind, no negativity and only
compassion and acceptance. Going from such a place to this forum was a
shock and I am still trying to adjust. I'm used to replying to everyone who
addresses me, but you are right that in a place like this, such a course of
action is not always the best option.

Stanislav, I replied to you in a private message, because I don't want to
derail my own thread any further by replying to such posts. I am very glad
that you respected my work by removing my mentor's website though. I
gave her information to you in confidence, in an attempt to help you.

[exford]

So.... all you so called "light beings" are here spreading your words of wisdom on an internet(conspiracy) forum?

What are you hoping to achieve?

Do you seek gratification in that another poster, agrees with your beliefs?

Why not get of your enlightened arses and take your percieved wisdom into the real world......See how you get on!!

Yes!! it's much easier to sit at home typing a pile of shit on your computer!!

GET REAL!!! FFS!

[zsymon]

We do it to help eachother. :)

..and because we believe spirituality is the answer to a better world.

Taking my beliefs into the real world is something I do everyday, and
it has helped me change from a depressed person to a person who is
able to help other souls and people every day again.

[stanislav]

What do you choose?

LOVE OR DEATH ?

[greenzxy]

What do you choose?

LOVE OR DEATH ?

none

[stanislav]

none

Death is unavoidable, Love is achievable!

[zsymon]

I choose both.. I just don't want the second to happen just yet.

[greenzxy]

Death is unavoidable, Love is achievable!

Meh, I just let both come naturally, I don't choose.

[stanislav]

I dedicate this song to you all the haters and lovers as one. You can listen to the words starting 1:30 :)

Marcin Nowakowski - Better Days Ahead - YouTube

[bridgeeteyes]

Why not get of your enlightened arses and take your percieved wisdom into the real world......See how you get on!!



GET REAL!!! FFS!

And here lies the problem. Most on here cant tell the Real from the UnReal!! They wouldnt even know if it actually came up and bit them on their so called en - LIE -tened arses!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
Their form of enlightenment is a lie,they have been sold a lie, poor things just cant discern this. Their Wisdom is dead. Killed off by those they allow to Master over them.

Get REAL! Couldnt have said it better myself.

[dryadlover]

So.... all you so called "light beings" are here spreading your words of wisdom on an internet(conspiracy) forum?

What are you hoping to achieve?

Do you seek gratification in that another poster, agrees with your beliefs?

Why not get of your enlightened arses and take your percieved wisdom into the real world......See how you get on!!

Yes!! it's much easier to sit at home typing a pile of shit on your computer!!

GET REAL!!! FFS!

Wow: judgment, manipulation, humiliation. creation of guilt, as well as presentation of one's own beliefs on what is real. All in a short single reply. A typical service to self orientation which is common for the majority of people. An ego based thought pattern, which is strictly based upon the negative emotional onslaught that was created due to the dissatisfaction from the perception of the "reality" changing opinions.

An illusion of thought presentation, is what it is an illusion, the thought pattern itself is what matters. You have the free will to create any kind of perception from the thought manifestation that is being presented. So, why judge your own illusory perception, rejecting it and proclaiming it to be not of you, thus creating disharmony among other selves?

Deep philosophical thought patterns work even better in face to face contact to what they do on the internet, except, that the opposite primitive emotional dissatisfaction, created from the other party contacts, which may tend not to agree with your opinions, may also be a lot harsher upon your state of balance, especially in our service to self environment. From that perspective, spreading your beliefs in the place where a probable opposite attack is not as direct as it is in the "real" world is a very wise choice on its own.

It is not about who is right or wrong; in its essence, it is about the sharing of thoughts, which will tend to stimulate each others mind, so that the mutual respect is achieved and new pieces of truth are discovered. However, an ego construct will tend to deceive one's mind into the direct opposite thought pattern, with a strict aim to create a negative emotional build up, which will then be released creating a possible chain reaction, thus disrupting the desired progressive thought flow.

[nectars]

Just for you then, I'll be more specific, wouldnt want to be accussed of throwing sweeping judgements around....

Most are caught up in the whole New Age V Aliens matrix saga your being fed, your loosing sight of the Real.

As for the Real, its been discussed, as you well know, on this forum, its even been linked to in this very thread by YOU, so please dont insult my intelligence by asking me this question.

Many thanks, and your quite right about that. If it seemed like an insult before then appologies for that, it was unintentional. Glad your "eyes" are open all the same :)

Have a great day dude :)

[bridgeeteyes]

Wow: judgment, manipulation, humiliation. creation of guilt, as well as presentation of one's own beliefs on what is real. All in a short single reply. A typical service to self orientation which is common for the majority of people. An ego based thought pattern, which is strictly based upon the negative emotional onslaught that was created due to the dissatisfaction from the perception of the "reality" changing opinions.

An illusion of thought presentation, is what it is an illusion, the thought pattern itself is what matters. You have the free will to create any kind of perception from the thought manifestation that is being presented. So, why judge your own illusory perception, rejecting it and proclaiming it to be not of you, thus creating disharmony among other selves?

Deep philosophical thought patterns work even better in face to face contact to what they do on the internet, except, that the opposite primitive emotional dissatisfaction, created from the other party contacts, which may tend not to agree with your opinions, may also be a lot harsher upon your state of balance, especially in our service to self environment. From that perspective, spreading your beliefs in the place where a probable opposite attack is not as direct as it is in the "real" world is a very wise choice on its own.

It is not about who is right or wrong; in its essence, it is about the sharing of thoughts, which will tend to stimulate each others mind, so that the mutual respect is achieved and new pieces of truth are discovered. However, an ego construct will tend to deceive one's mind into the direct opposite thought pattern, with a strict aim to create a negative emotional build up, which will then be released creating a possible chain reaction, thus disrupting the desired progressive thought flow.


Your reaction is classic of one who's reality is being questioned. It is in effect being shattered before your very eyes. Quite shocking, believe me I know, but whats the alternative? Living in the UnReal ? This to me seems quite shattering also actually.

Enlightenment and the seeking of it is shattering to the self, what else did you expect? Love and Light and all things nice??!!!

[exford]

Wow: judgment, manipulation, humiliation. creation of guilt, as well as presentation of one's own beliefs on what is real. All in a short single reply. A typical service to self orientation which is common for the majority of people. An ego based thought pattern, which is strictly based upon the negative emotional onslaught that was created due to the dissatisfaction from the perception of the "reality" changing opinions.

An illusion of thought presentation, is what it is an illusion, the thought pattern itself is what matters. You have the free will to create any kind of perception from the thought manifestation that is being presented. So, why judge your own illusory perception, rejecting it and proclaiming it to be not of you, thus creating disharmony among other selves?

Deep philosophical thought patterns work even better in face to face contact to what they do on the internet, except, that the opposite primitive emotional dissatisfaction, created from the other party contacts, which may tend not to agree with your opinions, may also be a lot harsher upon your state of balance, especially in our service to self environment. From that perspective, spreading your beliefs in the place where a probable opposite attack is not as direct as it is in the "real" world is a very wise choice on its own.

It is not about who is right or wrong; in its essence, it is about the sharing of thoughts, which will tend to stimulate each others mind, so that the mutual respect is achieved and new pieces of truth are discovered. However, an ego construct will tend to deceive one's mind into the direct opposite thought pattern, with a strict aim to create a negative emotional build up, which will then be released creating a possible chain reaction, thus disrupting the desired progressive thought flow.

Thank you for your percieved words of wisdom......reality changing opinions,thats a cracker:rolleyes:

[bridgeeteyes]

Quote:
Originally Posted by stanislav
Death is unavoidable, Love is achievable!

Meh, I just let both come naturally, I don't choose.

Classic Earth Slave reply. I don't choose

Which of course is quite true...because YOU ALLOW YOUR MASTERS TO CHOOSE FOR YOU! Just like the slave you are. A Slave to life/death eternally.

[dryadlover]

Thank you for your percieved words of wisdom......reality changing opinions,thats a cracker:rolleyes:

That is the nature of illusion, my friend. It changes for every moment of your perception, and absolutely everything is a catalyst for that change, including opinions.

[fallen1]

Classic Earth Slave reply. I don't choose

Which of course is quite true...because YOU ALLOW YOUR MASTERS TO CHOOSE FOR YOU! Just like the slave you are. A Slave to life/death eternally.
And you're free? With all that negativity I think you're just reflecting your own frustration and describing your own problem. But fear not....we are all eternal, we cannot be destroyed...and in the grand scheme of eternity we are bound to awaken and break free sooner or later. Even you and me. That's the most important thing to remember.....the elite cannot win....they can only postpone the inevitable.

[lyghtkynge]

And you're free? With all that negativity I think you're just reflecting your own frustration and describing your own problem. But fear not....we are all eternal, we cannot be destroyed...and in the grand scheme of eternity we are bound to awaken and break free sooner or later. Even you and me. That's the most important thing to remember.....the elite cannot win....they can only postpone the inevitable.
Oh, dear! Did you MISS Something Along the Way?

Seems, So.

SurpriseS!

(Maybe that book writer lied, or didn't know they lied! whichever book you read.
It's WASN'T The Book Of Truth, I Hasten to Assure You.)

[fallen1]

Oh, dear! Did you MISS Something Along the Way?

Seems, So.

SurpriseS!

(Maybe that book writer lied, or didn't know they lied! whichever book you read.
It's WASN'T The Book Of Truth, I Hasten to Assure You.)

Book Of Truth? Uh-oh.....don't tell me it's some bible or another. Surely even you can see how the bible's god is nothing but a petty tyrannical dictator and about as far from good as you can get.

[bridgeeteyes]

And you're free? With all that negativity I think you're just reflecting your own frustration and describing your own problem. But fear not....we are all eternal, we cannot be destroyed...and in the grand scheme of eternity we are bound to awaken and break free sooner or later. Even you and me. That's the most important thing to remember.....the elite cannot win....they can only postpone the inevitable.


Your refusing to accept truth and so perceive it as negative. Theres nothing negative, frustrating or fearful about me or what I post, its the truth. Its just you cant accept it because its shattering your illusion. It is YOU who perceives it as negative. I have let go to Spirits Will, thus removing any frustration or fear. You should try it, but to allow Spirit to flow you must loose all personal desires, wants and needs. These prevent you letting go. You must abandon your lifes path to Spirit. Any attempt to try and control things yourself with personal wants will lead to emotional stress and anxiety. This includes the personal want of wishing to keep an illusion alive, the very ignorant illusion that the elite will loose, we will all become immortal and live in love and light. Spirit is attempting to guide you, yet most ignore its will, instead attempting to follow their own selfish plans, needs and wants, hence missing its messages and so falling right back into the hands of the elite. You really have no idea at all do you. You are indeed living up to your name FALLEN .


Are you up to it? See Spirit is making the decisions for you in what is a far greater power than you. Its power of decisions are filtering down subsequently ending in what is called the Second Field , you are then just reacting to its decisions in the First Energy Field, the one you are aware of, attempting to have some control over its intentions for you. What normally happens is most humans fight this process constantly ALL day, trying to either alter Spirits will or just plain waste energy fighting it...HENCE the perceived negativity you are exhibiting. Those who go with Spirits Will allow the decisions already made entering their second energy field, flow naturally into their first without resistence, negativity or fear.

YOU do not allow this natural flow. My posts shatter your illusion, hence your frustration and your negativity.

Learn to let go !

[lyghtkynge]

book of truth? Uh-oh.....don't tell me it's some bible or another. Surely even you can see how the bible's god is nothing but a petty tyrannical dictator and about as far from good as you can get.
. ..This 'BOOK' . . .
"so far as humanity is concerned, the mysteries of life are in the possession of wise custodians, and are kept beyond the reach of the 'profane,' not only in the material world, but also in all worlds below the realm of the spiritual mind. Therefore on all the lower planes of existence the avenues of knowledge are adequately guarded, and no one need expect to receive aught that he does not permit. His own divine self, his teacher if he is morally deserving, will otherwise bar him from the knowledge forbidden to the unworthy. Theoretically, all things are written in the great book of nature, the aether; but that book is sealed to him who is not entitled to read it, and no one who may read its pages ever betrays the mysteries therein recorded. Divine nature thus admirably arranges that knowledge is accessible to those who are fit to grasp it, but is forever beyond the reach of the unfit."
("adorers of dionysos," james pryse, 1925)

[fallen1]

Your refusing to accept truth and so perceive it as negative. Theres nothing negative, frustrating or fearful about me or what I post, its the truth. Its just you cant accept it because its shattering your illusion. It is YOU who perceives it as negative. I have let go to Spirits Will, thus removing any frustration or fear. You should try it, but to allow Spirit to flow you must loose all personal desires, wants and needs. These prevent you letting go. You must abandon your lifes path to Spirit. Any attempt to try and control things yourself with personal wants will lead to emotional stress and anxiety. This includes the personal want of wishing to keep an illusion alive, the very ignorant illusion that the elite will loose, we will all become immortal and live in love and light. Spirit is attempting to guide you, yet most ignore its will, instead attempting to follow their own selfish plans, needs and wants, hence missing its messages and so falling right back into the hands of the elite. You really have no idea at all do you.


Are you up to it? See Spirit is making the decisions for you in what is a far greater power than you. Its power of decisions are filtering down subsequently ending in what is called the Second Field , you are then just reacting to its decisions in the First Energy Field, the one you are aware of, attempting to have some control over its intentions for you. What normally happens is most humans fight this process constantly ALL day, trying to either alter Spirits will or just plain waste energy fighting it...HENCE the perceived negativity you are exhibiting. Those who go with Spirits Will allow the decisions already made entering their second energy field, flow naturally into their first without resistence, negativity or fear.

YOU do not allow this natural flow. My posts shatter this illusion, hence your frustration and your negativity.

Learn to let go !

Charming but false....I am not frustrated nor negative. Do you even know what spirits you surrendered to? I doubt they are good ones.....satanists surrender themselves to spirits too and those spirits just love deceiving people.

@lyghtkynge that book of yours sure sounds like it belongs to the illuminati. No good entity would ever judge, condemn or punish nor would it refrain knowledge.

[bridgeeteyes]

Charming but false....I am not frustrated nor negative. Do you even know what spirits you surrendered to? I doubt they are good ones.....satanists surrender themselves to spirits too and those spirits just love deceiving people.

@lyghtkynge that book of yours sure sounds like it belongs to the illuminati. No good entity would ever judge, condemn or punish nor would it refrain knowledge.

Your real dim arnt you. SPIRIT , NOT SPIRITS! Erm yer you are frustrated AND highly ignorant. Satanists surrender themselves to spirits too and those spirits just love deceiving people. , what a totally uneducated thing to say. Your a fool and one who knows nothing of the truth, THE ACTUAL TRUTH of the words you are using. TRY using your brain, research what these words actually mean oh FALLEN ONE. You are displaying your programming, you have NO IDEA what the word Satan stands for. What you dont seem to realize is that many of these words and their symbols have been hijacked by the elite, their true meaning twisted and then fed to the masses. All you know is what you've been told, and what your equally ignorant predisesors were fed. It was fed to them and so they feed it to you! Do you EVER question the true meaning of these words you so ignorantly throw around? NO didnt think so.

@lyghtkynge that book of yours sure sounds like it belongs to the illuminati

What a complete dumb ass thing to say.

[lyghtkynge]

@lyghtkynge that book of yours sure sounds like it belongs to the illuminati. No good entity would ever judge, condemn or punish nor would it refrain knowledge.
Listen to yourself.

Not only are you ABSOLUTELY In ERROR, but do you Drive a Car?
Without . . . Brakes?
(GO - STOP; CREATE- DESTROY)
. . .http://i463.photobucket.com/albums/qq357/dogz9/180447_ROTFLMAO_gif3d0c775232c7f27c.gif

Is It Comfy In That BOX of Yours? Take The Top Off:
http://i34.tinypic.com/f3tcih.jpg
(Thanks for the pic, SA!)

[fallen1]

So I'm the one that's frustrated and negative but you're the one screaming and insulting. I'm done arguing with you....it's clear that whatever spirit you serve is not one I'd ever willingly choose to follow.

[zsymon]

Wow: judgment, manipulation, humiliation. creation of guilt, as well as presentation of one's own beliefs on what is real. All in a short single reply. A typical service to self orientation which is common for the majority of people. An ego based thought pattern, which is strictly based upon the negative emotional onslaught that was created due to the dissatisfaction from the perception of the "reality" changing opinions.

An illusion of thought presentation, is what it is an illusion, the thought pattern itself is what matters. You have the free will to create any kind of perception from the thought manifestation that is being presented. So, why judge your own illusory perception, rejecting it and proclaiming it to be not of you, thus creating disharmony among other selves?

Deep philosophical thought patterns work even better in face to face contact to what they do on the internet, except, that the opposite primitive emotional dissatisfaction, created from the other party contacts, which may tend not to agree with your opinions, may also be a lot harsher upon your state of balance, especially in our service to self environment. From that perspective, spreading your beliefs in the place where a probable opposite attack is not as direct as it is in the "real" world is a very wise choice on its own.

It is not about who is right or wrong; in its essence, it is about the sharing of thoughts, which will tend to stimulate each others mind, so that the mutual respect is achieved and new pieces of truth are discovered. However, an ego construct will tend to deceive one's mind into the direct opposite thought pattern, with a strict aim to create a negative emotional build up, which will then be released creating a possible chain reaction, thus disrupting the desired progressive thought flow.

I find this to be an amazingly insightful reply.. I agree wholeheartedly with
everything in this quote. It's a bit more complicated than I would explain it
but it is amazingly accurate and insightful. I've been saying this for a long
time now, but you have explained it very eloquently.

[bridgeeteyes]

So I'm the one that's frustrated and negative but you're the one screaming and insulting. I'm done arguing with you....it's clear that whatever spirit you serve is not one I'd ever willingly choose to follow.


That is very obviouse!!

Again it is you who is perceiving absolute truth as a screaming insult.

"No, no shut up, please stop I dont want to hear this, stop this truth its hurting me"

Wake up Fallen, truth aint gonna go away just because you cant take it. Best just go back to sleep then.

[suzanne4sure]

Bridgeeteyes- I read very closely the OP's post to begin this thread. No where contained within that thread was there anything to do with "ascending". Yet you dedicated an entire post to the fallacy of ascending, which is correct. Yet you posted as your correction to a misinterpretation of the original post. I am certain you did not mean to misread the post...:)

Ascension or enlightenment is not the correct terminology in my opinion because you are already that which you think you must ascend to or seek. It could be termed "realization" but certainly not the New Age gooey words, ascension nor enlightenment because they do not encapsulate the truth and set up a dependency, so to speak with someone who portends to be realized, accompanied by their own structure.

Respect of people's individual chosen paths on this very brief journey is more paramount then ascribing to any one person's particular theory on obtaining realization. More important is love, and service to others, a particular way of Being that the OP so beautifully describes creates the greatest feeling of connectedness and love between fellows in my experience.

I might also suggest you correct yourself dear one and stop referring to people as "ignorant" or "dim" or "uneducated" or a "fool" because they do not think the way you think. Very unloving declaration in my opinion for one who claims to have entered this forum to help.

It is also my experience that energies, that you may very well describe as "satanic" simply an energy, have no power in the realm and projection from your Being of love, forgiveness and unconditional positive regard. Every energy has its place and purpose yet it may not be my choice to entertain it in my life or Being.

[bridgeeteyes]

suzanne4sure

YOU obviously didnt read the info on his mentors web page before it got took down!

[zsymon]

So I'm the one that's frustrated and negative but you're the one screaming and insulting. I'm done arguing with you....it's clear that whatever spirit you serve is not one I'd ever willingly choose to follow.

My friend, do what I do and just refrain from reading anything they write.
I haven't read anything they wrote in weeks, it massively improves the
enjoyment of reading and posting on the David Icke forums. I never judge
them or insult them, but I also never read anything they write.

Not because I don't think that what they write can't be valuable in some
way, for some people, but because they will go on a raging tantrum the
moment you dare to disagree with them.

[greenzxy]

Classic Earth Slave reply. I don't choose

Which of course is quite true...because YOU ALLOW YOUR MASTERS TO CHOOSE FOR YOU! Just like the slave you are. A Slave to life/death eternally.

And you're not a 'slave' yourself? :rolleyes:

[zsymon]

suzanne4sure

YOU obviously didnt read the info on his mentors web page before it got took down!

Actually, she did. :)

Its sheer positivity, nonjudgementality and compassion for all people is exactly what
attracts people. No one ever gets insulted there, no one ever gets attacked and no
one has to subject himself or herself to the abuse you are using. I agree that such
a place is nothing for you, but at least you might respect people who don't thrive on
your kind of intense negativity.

I think even a satanic circle would get tired very quickly from such an attitude.

And thank you Suzanne for your accurate assessment. :)

I know I know, you're going to say how negativity is not bad and that all your insults
and attacks are just the truth, because we are all ignorant fools without any ability
to discern the/your truth, and that we are all slaves to some shady creatures hiding
behind our backs.

How about we go back to sharing our opinions about spiritual awakening.. that is why
I created this thread in the first place, I think it got derailed enough now.

[suzanne4sure]

Bridgeteyes- Is that really what his is about? You have an issue with the OP generally or what you describe as their "mentor"?

However that may be it does not address some of the other points I made.

Additionally this forum is clear that points made must be respectful.

[bridgeeteyes]

Actually, she did. :)




Oh right, another recruited then, wow one more for Zsymon and his mentors army of dellusion.

[bridgeeteyes]

Bridgeteyes- Is that really what his is about? You have an issue with the OP generally or what you describe as their "mentor"?



My issue here suz is FAR beyond your understanding, it has little to do with the OP , hes a lost case, the issue deary is one of truth. TRUTH, ever hear of that word?

Erm hang on , HE describes her as his mentor ENDLESSLY or dont you read his posts?

Interesting avatar, one of course you understand nothing of or you wouldnt be posting as you do!!!! *HINT* YOUR avatar is in DIRECT conflict with your posts and also in DIRECT CONFLICT with the OPs beliefs!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! Classic!!!