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sweet cheeks
22-02-2007, 05:40 PM
http://www.thevirusandthevaccine.com/interviews.html

Tried to find a "pdf" version, but to no avail...

Anyway, it looks like a good book! ;)

Interview with authors Debbie Bookchin and Jim Schumacher


Q: What exactly is SV40 and how did it happen to contaminate the polio vaccine?

SV40 stands for simian virus 40, so-called because it was the 40th simian – or monkey – virus to be discovered. It got into the polio vaccine because the vaccine was manufactured by growing poliovirus on the kidneys of rhesus monkeys from the time it was first used in field trials in 1954 through 1963. Most rhesus monkeys are infected with the virus, but it doesn’t harm them. But scientists have discovered that the virus causes cancer in other animals, including human beings.

Q: How many people were exposed to the virus?

Between 1954 and 1963, almost every baby boomer, or about a hundred million Americans, and many millions more in Canada and Western Europe were administered polio vaccine that was widely contaminated with SV40. In 1960, scientists observed that SV40 caused cancer in laboratory animals but were unsure of its effect in humans. After 1963, steps were taken aimed at keeping SV40 out of polio vaccine and for a long time, the SV40 contamination was pretty much forgotten. Then in the mid-1990s, researchers from all over the world began to uncover evidence that SV40 is a human carcinogen and that it is now causing a variety of human cancers, including a very deadly type of lung cancer called mesothelioma, several types of bone and brain cancers, and a lymphatic cancer called non-Hodgkin’s lymphoma.

Q: In your book you say that when SV40 was discovered, the government didn’t do much about it.

That’s right. Although there was alarm within the scientific circles that the vaccine might cause cancer, federal health officials made a deliberate decision not to recall contaminated stocks of vaccine. They feared that withdrawing the vaccine, or alerting the public about SV40, would cause people to lose confidence in the vaccine. So, for two more years, millions more Americans were needlessly exposed to the virus. They were never given a choice in the matter. Instead, federal health officials tried to suppress the news of SV40’s discovery. For example, when the NIH scientist who first discovered SV40 caused cancer in hamsters announced her findings at a scientific conference in 1960, her superiors demoted her and took away her laboratory. That attitude – of trying to ignore the virus – has pretty much prevailed through the last decade.

Q: When did the virus become linked to cancer in humans?

In the 1990s, scientists got interested in searching for the virus in some of the same tumor types it had caused in hamsters back in the 1960s when SV40 was first discovered. One of the first scientists to do this was a young Italian doctor at the National Institutes of Health named Michele Carbone. He examined dozens of human lung tumors called mesotheliomas and to his surprise, and shock, he found the virus was present in more than 60 percent of them. He also found that it was actively producing proteins, which means it was likely to play a role in causing the tumors. Other scientists found the virus in types of human brain and bone tumors which it had also caused in laboratory animals. Their findings have now been replicated by dozens of independent laboratories around the world and published in top peer-reviewed scientific journals. To date, more than 90 different studies have been published associating SV40 with cancer and 30 scientific reviews on the subject have also been published. More recently, the virus has also been linked with non-Hodgkin’s lymphoma, a cancer that afflicts tens of thousands of Americans every year. Interestingly, the studies find the virus in tumors most frequently in countries where contaminated polio vaccine was widely used, such as the U.S., Great Britain and Italy.

Q: How dangerous is the virus? Do people who received the vaccine years ago, have cause to worry today?

In recent research, Carbone and other prominent cancer researchers have begun to see exactly how the virus works on the cellular level to cause cancer, and they have found that it is a very, very powerful carcinogen. It is, frankly, unlike any other virus discovered in that it can do so many things simultaneously on the cellular level to promote cancer. These include damaging chromosomes, stimulating cells to proliferate, and binding to the body’s most important anti-cancer genes so they cannot function properly to stop cancerous cells from dividing. That, obviously, does not mean that everyone who received the vaccine will get cancer, just as not everyone who spends a lot of time in the sun will get skin cancer. But interestingly, many of the cancers with which the vaccine is associated have increased dramatically in the years since SV40 contaminated the polio vaccine. For example, mesothelioma was virtually unheard of in 1950; now it strikes 2,000-3,000 Americans each year. Brain tumors have also increased dramatically and non-Hodgkin’s lymphoma is soaring. Combined, these cancers afflict more than 60,000 Americans every year.

Q: In your book you tell the story of a little boy named Alexander Horwin who died in 1999 from an SV40-caused tumor. Do people who received the vaccine after the 1960s have any reason to be concerned?

Well, one of the disturbing discoveries scientists have made is that the monkey virus is also being found in the tumors of children too young to have received the contaminated vaccine back in the 1950s and 1960s. So scientists are trying to determine whether the virus could now be spreading from human to human, much as scientists have feared could happen with the bird flu virus in a worst-case scenario, or if it got into the tumors of children because the vaccine, which was produced using monkey kidney materials right through 1999, may have at times still been contaminated after 1963, even though it was supposed to have been screened out by then.

Q: What happened to Alexander Horwin?

Alexander Horwin died in 1999 at the age of two-and-a-half from a brain tumor that contained SV40. His parents sued the vaccine manufacturer. During the course of that court case and others, internal drug company documents were disclosed that revealed that there were ongoing contamination problems with SV40 and other viruses during production of the vaccine. Alexander’s parents believe a contaminated dose of vaccine caused their son’s brain tumor.

Q: Does that mean today’s polio vaccine isn’t safe?

The Food and Drug Administration maintains that all polio vaccine produced for use in the U.S. has been free of SV40 since 1963, when manufacturers began screening for the virus. However, as our book shows, federal oversight of polio vaccine manufactured in the U.S. was, at times, shoddy. And, as we reveal in the book, some documents suggest that polio vaccine contaminated with SV40 may have been released even after 1963. Some scientists speculate that, along with human-to-human transmission, this may explain why SV40 is showing up in the tumors of some children and young adults today. Fortunately, beginning in January 2000, polio vaccine produced for use in the United States was no longer manufactured on monkey kidney tissues. Interestingly, Europe and Canada, adopted this same technology decades ago – in the 1970s and 1980s – to ensure that their polio vaccines were free of viruses and other unwanted contaminants.

Q: What do you think the government reaction should be to SV40?

Given the number of Americans possibly exposed to SV40 – one hundred million – and the clear link between this virus and human cancer, the scientists we interviewed feel very strongly that there should be much more research on this virus, especially since it appears to be such a potent carcinogen. Unfortunately, very little federal support has been forthcoming for research on SV40 and its connection to human cancer. The fact that SV40 came from the polio vaccine seems to make the government unwilling to acknowledge its danger and to support the researchers who are investigating those dangers. And that is a bad public health decision.

Q: What can we learn from the story of SV40 and the polio vaccine?

One of the lessons is that science is not always the disinterested pursuit most of us believe it is. Sometimes it can be shaped by a political agenda. In the case of SV40, some of the scientists we interviewed believe federal health officials are reluctant to fund studies exploring the link between this virus and human tumors because they wish to protect the reputation of the polio vaccine, even though the contamination problems largely occurred forty years ago. Hopefully, that will change and the study of this virus and its relationship to human tumors can get the serious attention it warrants.

sweet cheeks
22-02-2007, 06:08 PM
Just a little to contra, maybe!

http://www.connecticutcenterforhealth.com/viral-virus.html

Natural Anti-Viral Agents for Virus Infections

There are a number of herbs and other natural substances that inhibit viruses and help to prevent or treat colds, flu, and any other viral infections.

Elderberry

Scullcap

Propolis

Astragalus

Isatis

Goldthread

St. John's Wort

Licorice

Zinc

Dosage
Elderberry (Sambacus nigra)

* Reduces hemagglutination and inhibits the replication of human influenza viruses.
* Induces improvement of symptoms and resolution of infection much faster than placebo in clinical trials.
* Used historically as a diaphoretic agent in the treatment of colds and influenza.
* Improves non-specific resistance to colds and influenza.

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Scullcap (Scutellaria balcalensis)

* Contains flavonoid compounds which inhibit replication of human influenza viruses A and B at least partly by inhibiting fusion of viral envelopes with endosomal and lysosomal membranes.
* Demonstrates inhibition of viral proliferation in lab animals and in vitro replication of HIV (Li)
* Inhibits in vivo replication of influenza viruses.
* Inhibits in vivo replication of Epstein-Barr virus and associated tumor development.
* Exhibits in vitro inhibitory activity against a broad range of bacteria, including: Staphylococcus aureus, Corynebacterium diphtheriae, Pseudomonas aeruginosa, Streptococcus pneumoniae, and Neisseria meningitides.
* Traditional Chinese medical indications:
o Dissipates heat and drains fire, especially from the Upper Burner.
o Clears heat and dries dampness.

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Propolis

* Temperate zone propolis contains flavonoids (galangin, kaempferol, and quercetin) and esters of phenolic acids.
* Its effects result from the synergistic interaction of all constituents.
* Demonstrates in vitro activity against fungi, Gram-positive bacteria, and some viruses.
* Inhibits in vitro the activity of HIV-1 and human influenza virus type A (h1N2).

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Astragalus membranaceus

* Major constituents: coumarin, flavonoids, saponins, polysaccharides, betaine, rhamnocitrin.
* Enhances OKT3, OKT4, and OKT4/OKT8 ratio in patients with viral myocarditis.
* Polysaccharides have anti-rhinoviral activity.
* Induces production and anti-viral activity of interferon.
* Inhibits the replication of cocksackie virus in lab animals.
* Traditional Chinese medical indications
o Treatment of colds and influenza
o Tonifies Spleen and enhances the Chi
o Augments protective Chi and stabilizes the exterior energy.

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Isatis tinctoria

* Exhibits broad-range anti-bacterial effects against: Shigella spp., Salmonella spp., and hemolytic Streptococcus.
* Polysaccharide constituents increase spleen weight and numbers of peripheral WBCs, as well as enhance other cellular and humoral immune parameters in lab animals.
* Used successfully to treat encephalitis B, to forestall epidemic mumps outbreak, and to accelerate restoration of normal liver function during acute infectious hepatitis.
* Traditional Chinese medical indications:
o Dissipates heat, alleviates fire toxicity, and cools the blood.

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Goldthread (Coptis chinensis)

* Principle constituent: isoquinoline alkaloids--- berberine, coptisine, urbenine, worenine, palmatine, jatrorrhizine, columbamine. Contraindicated during pregnancy.
* Antibacterial agent:
o Berberine inhibits carbohydrate metabolism and protein synthesis of bacteria.
o Complexes with bacterial nucleic acids, inhibiting proliferation.
o Effective in controlling a broad range of microbes, including Vibrio cholerae, Chlamydia trachomatis, Candida albicans, Mycobacterium intracellulaceae.
* Has demonstrated anti-protozoal and anti-viral properties.
* Berberine alkaloids inhibit the enzyme reverse transcriptase in RNA tumor viruses.
* Improves phagocytic activity of cells of the immune system.

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St. John's Wort (Hypericum perforatum)

* Constituents: hypericin, pseudohypericin, hyperforin.
* Hypericin and pseudohypericin act as potent inhibitors of retroviral activity with low toxicity.

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Licorice (Glycyrrhiza glabra)

* Inhibits encephalitis virus in vitro.
* Reduces morbidity and mortality in lab animals infected with lethal doses of influenza virus.
* Inhibits growth and cytopathology of several unrelated DNA and RNA viruses and irreversibly inactivates herpes simplex viral particles.

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Zinc

* Involved in all aspects of cellular & humoral immunity.
* Particularly important: young children & elderly.
* Assists in the restoration of reduced levels of thymic hormones.
* Inhibits viral replication (rhino, picorna, Herpes simplex, vaccinia).
* Inhibits inflammation of respiratory mucosa and infection by human rhinovirus.

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Dosage

* Sambacus nigra Extract (30% anthocyanidins), 125mg
* Scutellaria balcalensis Extract (8:1), 125mg
* Propolis (70%), 100mg
* Astragalus membranaceus Extract (15:1), 100mg
* Isatis tinctoria Extract (15:1), 100mg
* Coptis chinensis Extract (10:1), 50mg
* Hypericum perforatum Extract (0.3% hypericin), 50mg
* Glycyrrhiza glabra Extract (16-18% Glycyrrhizin), 50mg
* Zinc (citrate), 5mg

Recommended dosage: 2 or 3 capsules 3 to 4 times a day.

:D

notaslave
25-02-2007, 04:55 PM
On vaccines, my youngest was born in 1978. I was quite young myself only 20 and so I believed vaccines were good for kids. I believed that you should vaccinate.

Now my elder kid was 3 and had all the vaccines but my GP then told me never to have her vaccinated against whooping cough.

My youngest had the first vaccine and possibly the second. Each time his vaccine was due after that he caught a cold and I didn't take him to be vaccinated. He had no further vaccines during his childhood.

He had to have a medical prior to starting school and the doctor commented that he hadn't been fully vaccinated and I stated the reason why ie he had caught a cold. The doctor then said I had to get his vaccines up to date or he may not be able to start school - he hinted they would refuse him entry. This was 1982 ish. By this time I didnt want him vaccinated due to him keep getting ill around his vaccinations - I knew nothing about vaccines then but told the doctor he wasnt get vaccinated and if the school refused him entry so be it. He got accepted at school of course the GP was trying to pressure me that's all.

Fast forward some years to my grandson being born, now he was my eldest (who had been fully vaccinated) child's kid. He had a few vaccines and then we discovered he had multiple allergies (life threatening) and as some of the things he was allergic to were also used as carriers for the vaccine ie egg.

So his vaccines too came to a halt. Bear in mind that he had suffered an anaphylactic shock to egg. His GP wanted him vaccinated against measles or some other childhood illness and the carrier was to be egg. Oh yes like we were going to agree to them sticking egg into his blood stream!

His GP stated it would be ok because they would do it in hospital and a team on standby incase anything went wrong and put enormous pressure on my daughter to have this done. She told the GP she would agree to it on one condition and that condition was the GP was also to be in hospital and have their throat cut with a team on standby LOL That was the last of the pressure to stick my grandson full of rubbish.

GP's in this country put enormous pressure on young mother's to vaccinate their kids, they use guilt and blackmail (ie no entry to school) as tools to coerce.

I insisted my grandson was vaccine damaged as he showed no sign of allergies until after being vaccinated and we made a claim for vaccine damage against the state but lost.

I would like to say to young mothers, dont let them pressure you, stand your ground. My son remains in good health and has been swimming etc never caught polio, despite not being fully vaccinated against it.

Would also like to say I bought a young pup which was able to eat anything until after its first vaccine and then it became sickly and could only tolerate certain foods.

I will never have a dog vaccinated again.

markhowie
27-02-2007, 12:35 AM
aloha all
here in france i have fought for the last 20 years so my kids will not be vaccinated
the paster institute/cartelle has recently got the gouvernement under the "laws againt sects" to make it a 6 month prison penalty and 3,750euros fine for non vaccination of the little ones.... one of these laws that passes without anyone realy noticing...talk to them about it.... no no no i havent seen that on telly (tel-lie) so it dosent exist (probably on of the dimming reactions of the vacin)

the great paster scandal was the history of the socalled little boy that was bitten by a rabied dog and after the famous injection was saved "sic" aparently the boy had a brother who was bitten by the same dog and diddent get the jab and was ok, the dog was shot and wasent even analised so as to know for real if he had realy rabies
so the whole thing started with a big publisity stunt/LIE and has never changed, except for the fact that alot of people have died and or been manipulated through the mind dimming ingreadients in that poisonus cocktail

@+ mark

jimijams
27-02-2007, 07:14 AM
notaslave I had the same fear arguments put to me when I ceased vaccinating my children. You just need to stand your ground, although worryingly the government are begining to extend the definition of child abuse in to the area of health. For instance this story http://www.smh.com.au/articles/2007/02/27/1172338593070.html?from=top5 where authorities are threatening to take custody of a chid in the UK who is overweight, this could easily, especially in a crises extend even further accusing parents of child abuse who will not vaccinate their children.

notaslave
27-02-2007, 05:09 PM
notaslave I had the same fear arguments put to me when I ceased vaccinating my children. You just need to stand your ground, although worryingly the government are begining to extend the definition of child abuse in to the area of health. For instance this story http://www.smh.com.au/articles/2007/02/27/1172338593070.html?from=top5 where authorities are threatening to take custody of a chid in the UK who is overweight, this could easily, especially in a crises extend even further accusing parents of child abuse who will not vaccinate their children.

Yes I heard about that story and read that the child had lost some weight since Christmas but the media are of course concentrating on his weight then (as he was heavier).

It is typical of the government and media to concentrate on the odd case and blow it up as though it were a common occurrence in order that they can bring out new laws etc., Moral panic is the term.

I wonder what damage has been done to the family by the interference of the state .. ie are they living in fear now? Also the fact that it has hit the papers and is news ... opens this kid up to more bullying by locals who see him and have seen the outcry in the press and on the television. ie state sanctioned permission to bully him.

He is a child and should be protected by the media not have his face shown everywhere. I am not sure is even legal to show his face, to identify him in this manner.

hew2
27-02-2007, 05:14 PM
Just a little to contra, maybe!

http://www.connecticutcenterforhealth.com/viral-virus.html



:D

Got this off of a web site called your very own perfect medicine.It has worked for me on three occassions with three bad tooth abcesses.You mix two drops of your own urine,which is sterile with a tablespoon of water in a dropper bottle and shake vigourously for ten seconds or more.When done place four drops of the mixture under the tongue every hour and a half or if in complete agonyevery half hour.Not only does this kill the pain it kills the infection too.It works on bacterial and viral infections,so no need to waste money on Antibiotics.IT REALLY DOES WORK !

markhowie
28-02-2007, 12:06 AM
Aloha all

VACCINATIONS AND THE RIGHT TO REFUSE
at :http://www.newswithviews.com/Tenpenny/sherri1.htm

Vaccination - The Hidden Truth (1998)
at:http://video.google.com/videoplay?docid=8610554679207090010&q=Vaccination+-+The+Hidden+TruthDawnT (http://video.google.com/videoplay?docid=8610554
679207090010&q=Vaccination+-+The+Hidden+TruthDawnT)

@+ mark

multiverse
26-03-2007, 04:52 AM
here in france i have fought for the last 20 years so my kids will not be vaccinated
the paster institute/cartelle has recently got the gouvernement under the "laws againt sects" to make it a 6 month prison penalty and 3,750euros fine for non vaccination of the little ones.... one of these laws that passes without anyone realy noticing...talk to them about it.... no no no i havent seen that on telly (tel-lie) so it dosent exist (probably on of the dimming reactions of the vacin)

the great paster scandal was the history of the socalled little boy that was bitten by a rabied dog and after the famous injection was saved "sic" aparently the boy had a brother who was bitten by the same dog and diddent get the jab and was ok, the dog was shot and wasent even analised so as to know for real if he had realy rabies
so the whole thing started with a big publisity stunt/LIE and has never changed, except for the fact that alot of people have died and or been manipulated through the mind dimming ingreadients in that poisonus cocktail

Yes, isn't it amazing that in the country of "liberty, equality, brotherhood" you can face prison for not letting them poison your children! But since it seems that there are no choices any more about vaccinations, it is good at least to know that there are products that can work to counteract the negative effects such as Thuya (homeopathy) or vegetable charcoal. If you haven't already, I would suggest reading Daniele Startenkyj's "Mon Petit Docteur" - "My Little Doctor" in English though I don't know if it has been translated. Starenkyj has many interesting things to say about health in general as well as about the protecting and healing effects of charcoal (though I don't go along with her religious beliefs).

What you say about Pasteur is so interesting and I am sure that you would love the work of Dr. Robert O. Young. In his book, "Sick and Tired," he relates the story of Pasteur's recognizing on his deathbed that health was related more to the "terrain" than to microbes which "invade" it.

Pasteur himself was reported to have admitted on his deathbed that, "Claude Bernard was right - the microbe is nothing, the terrain is everything." But even as he was dying, he would not give credit for the demonstration of this fact to whom it was due - Anthoine Béchamp

In "Sick and Tired," Dr. Young demonstrates that by alkalizing your body, you can get rid of disease. He explains the importance of lowering hyper-acidity to avoid yeast and fungus infestation. Dr. Young sells some very interesting products, but unfortunately, they are made and shipped out of the state of Utah where I heard they by law irradiate everything that it sent out of the state :mad:! Anyway his research is amazing!

All the best.

lucifershammer
05-04-2007, 10:23 AM
Anyone read Peter Duesbergs "inventing the aids virus"?

He talks alot about the history of virology and virologists and their eagerness to blame things on infectious viruses or microbes.

friendsinthesky
05-04-2007, 03:24 PM
Just recently in Austarlia they have the "go ahead" to offer vacinations to 11yr old to 17 yr old school children to prevent cervical cancer.


http://www.news.com.au/heraldsun/story/0,21985,21478050-2862,00.html

Vaccine set to save livesJane Metlikovec and Grant McArthur

March 31, 2007 12:00am
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VICTORIAN students as young as 11 will be among the first to receive the breakthrough cervical cancer vaccine Gardasil the day they return to school.

Nine schools will start the Victorian leg of the $500 million national mass immunisation program, with first jabs on Monday, April 16.

I'm surprised it hasn't already been mentioned on this forum.

purple is a fruit
05-04-2007, 04:24 PM
This sickens me, yet again....
more vaccinations, when will it end?
I wonder what this one is full of, and I can bet ya bottom dollar that incidences of cervical cancer will increase in the coming years, especially in teenagers and young adults.

When will these fuckers stop?

At least we can be thankful it is only 'offered' and not 'compulsory' because over my dead bloody maimed body would anybody put this stuff into either of my children.

Assholes!

Purple

kha zarr
05-04-2007, 11:02 PM
how about Boyd Ed Graves' info on the US special virus program and their creation of aids virus?

Im familiar w/duesberg's arguments, and actually I believe Mr Graves has corresponded w/him as well as even Dr Gallo himself - and theyve not been able to respond completely, at least as I see it.

His work really turned my head when I discovered it several years ago.

I wouldn't be too sure to completely disagree w/Duesberg, as benzene toxiticy to the thymus, since it is the thymus, can cause maybe similar symptoms. But if Dr Graves [law] is right - it totally makes it into a high-tech bioweapon, thats been used socially, to lower birth rate and increase the death rate....as per us public law 91-213 from Pres. Johnson. Who actually brought this bill forward though?? Who funded it?


I do a liver cleanse now it seems to work for all those vaccines I 'had' to get years back for mmr, tb etc. all this crap stays in ya unless you do cleanses. Aint no way Im bein' forced to get a vaccine! not w/o a fight anyway.

kha zarr
08-04-2007, 02:01 AM
sorry my last post said johnson, it was nixon. And the overpopulation seminar, graves said, was part of this ideology, and this is for memory, was in bucharest, romania [kissinger, '74, NSSM-200]. also that gallo worked on this secret govt program even back in 71, and clinton pardoned him years later! [final call article 'AIDS is man-made']. htttp://www.boydgraves.com is his homepage. Look at tetrasil/imusil, ag4o4, as a cure that he took. Other nay-saying sites say it was a false positive HIV diagnosis he got, and so he didn't even have aids - who knows but, heres a link to an interview he did - at the final call.

http://www.finalcall.com/artman/publish/printer_1597.shtml

if you listen to the hip-hop song on dr graves site, it says 'no one in Israel has this disease,' -- after looking at 2006 UN AIDS stats, [english], it seems to be about four thousand people have it over there [israel govt site says mostly gay men and drug users, and those from outside israel]. Still though, doesnt seem much compared w/other countries! Perhaps it relates back to the nyc hepatitis vaccine for gay men?

In previous tv interviews [video google it] he mentions N-dimethyl rifampicin [only two sites come up!!] as the cure but its a dead end now, you dont hear anything about it anymore, and I don't know why. As to his federal court case he made, I couldn't find any news beyond '04 or '05. Wonder whats up there, would like to support him. He works w/common cause in sudbury ontario but they dont seem to have a site. He does accept donations to his website though. Anyways some info there - btw he also corresponded w/len horowitz, who disagrees w/Graves, and I feel Graves turns out to make more sense there as well.

stoney268
08-04-2007, 01:29 PM
in relpy to the AIDS part... I think this is very scary, if you read/see what all the AIDS patients get to "cure" them which eventually kills them. If you are tested positive there you are almost forced to participate in programs in which you are fed with new "cocktails" every time. Who knows what is in it, the doctors don't know!

Well anyway, probably you've all seen this one http://video.google.com/videoplay?docid=-9070469211931216625&q=reasons+aids

If the Illuminati are working towards minimizing world population then AIDS helps them pretty good!