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mercuryrapids
18-10-2007, 03:05 PM
Mobile phone use backed on planes (http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/technology/7050576.stm)
Plans have been developed across EU countries to introduce technology which permits mobile calls without risk of interference with aircraft systems.
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Mobile use is currently prohibited on planes because there is evidence that they interfere with onboard communication and navigation systems.
Research published in 2003 by the CAA found mobile phone signals skewed navigation bearing displays by up to five degrees.
...and yet with all those passengers on the four 9/11 planes using their mobiles to call their loved ones (as opposed to those using the airphones), those jets (bar one) still hit their designated targets. Hmmmmmmmm...
CAA found mobile phone signals skewed navigation bearing displays by up to five degrees.
But its ok to use it on the ground and stick one next to your head?
castle
18-10-2007, 03:39 PM
Mobile phone use backed on planes (http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/technology/7050576.stm)
...and yet with all those passengers on the four 9/11 planes using their mobiles to call their loved ones (as opposed to those using the airphones), those jets (bar one) still hit their designated targets. Hmmmmmmmm...
Nothing suspicious there my friend.
lottie
18-10-2007, 03:51 PM
Wonder if it'll make any difference to hospitals and petrol stations?
i remember watching Top Gear and Jeremy Clarkson did an experiment regarding the use of mobiles and fuel stations- at the end of it- he said there is more chance of blowing up the petrol station by starting your car's ignition than ANY using a mobile!!! :rolleyes:
Wonder if it'll make any difference to hospitals and petrol stations?
i remember watching Top Gear and Jeremy Clarkson did an experiment regarding the use of mobiles and fuel stations- at the end of it- he said there is more chance of blowing up the petrol station by starting your car's ignition than ANY using a mobile!!! :rolleyes:
I have been shouted at across the tannoy at Tesco's filling station a couple of time for using my mobile while filling up, then gone inside to a irate cashier paranoid that im gonna blow the place up! :rolleyes:
lookfar
18-10-2007, 04:19 PM
I have been shouted at across the tannoy at Tesco's filling station a couple of time for using my mobile while filling up, then gone inside to a irate cashier paranoid that im gonna blow the place up! :rolleyes:
Haha & smoking a big one at the same time too eh, lol!!:rolleyes:;):p You're such a rebel boyo, lol!!;)
Haha & smoking a big one at the same time too eh, lol!!:rolleyes:;):p You're such a rebel boyo, lol!!;)
Of course, can of bow perched on the roof of the car too...:p:D
lookfar
18-10-2007, 04:31 PM
Of course, can of bow perched on the roof of the car too...:p:D
Hehe, GO BOYO!!!;):p:D
castle
18-10-2007, 04:59 PM
cf24 you could blow the place up and the bollocking you got was well deserved. Was that call so important it warranted gambling not only your ass but that of the people around you too? Thats what you did you gambled peoples lives this time nothing went wrong next time could well be different. If we are ever in the same filling station please dont gamble with my life with out my say so. It might make you feel like a rebel "look everyone im using my phone when it says i shouldn't" but its just plain stupid.
Using a mobile phone in a petrol station carries very real risks therfore its a stupid thing to do. The petrol station wont go up every time its done but sooner or later somewhere down the line it will happen and for what a bloody phone call some muppet took out half a block.
Phoning from a plane thats been hijacked i can see the need for that. Phoning to say the petrol stations on fire good call. Phoning to see if your movies in block buster from a dangerous location well that person needs a kick in the balls for stupidity.
cf24 you could blow the place up and the bollocking you got was well deserved. Was that call so important it warranted gambling not only your ass but that of the people around you too? Thats what you did you gambled peoples lives this time nothing went wrong next time could well be different. If we are ever in the same filling station please dont gamble with my life with out my say so. It might make you feel like a rebel "look everyone im using my phone when it says i shouldn't" but its just plain stupid.
Using a mobile phone in a petrol station carries very real risks therfore its a stupid thing to do. The petrol station wont go up every time its done but sooner or later somewhere down the line it will happen and for what a bloody phone call some muppet took out half a block.
Phoning from a plane thats been hijacked i can see the need for that. Phoning to say the petrol stations on fire good call. Phoning to see if your movies in block buster from a dangerous location well that person needs a kick in the balls for stupidity.
Well there you go, consider myself well and truly told off headmaster! I was taking the call before I even arrived at the forecourt, and didn't decide to do a "look everyone im using my phone when it says i shouldn't". Don't think i've done that since I had my first phone about 14 years ago, so your way off the mark there fella....
At a guess I would say that millions of people use their phones daily at petrol stations, either in their car, filling up or in the vicinity. How many stations have blown up, none that i'm aware of.
The risks are nothing more than a myth, which you have obviously fallen for. So that makes you the muppet, and perhaps someone could kick you in the balls for your stupidity...
Just to finish off, why have the mobile networks been secretly been installing masts at filling stations?
Carry on believing the hype castle.....
Some links for your persual
http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/england/kent/4366337.stm
http://observer.guardian.co.uk/uk_news/story/0,6903,1441900,00.html
http://www.nu-riskservices.co.uk/news/articles/cms/1111515264212694732247_1.htm
http://networks.silicon.com/mobile/0,39024665,11035872,00.htm
spacegurl
18-10-2007, 05:30 PM
Mobile phones use lethal amounts of electric pulses. Because of its widespread popularity it needs more phone masts and all this has resulted in too much gamma everywhere. I never use them because I'm aware that such products cause cancer and interferes with the brain patterns. I can agree that such objects are hazardous to ones health but I don't imagine many people wanting to give up that cushy piece of magic. It's the same with modern cars, nobody wants to acknowledge how filthy they are as they love them too much.
castle
18-10-2007, 05:47 PM
So were you driving and taking the call? If so that very bad also and indicates you dont give a shit about the well being of others around you.
Oh dear cf24 you really dont have a clue do you.
The risks are most certainly not a myth. Whether you received the call before you entered the fore court or not you should not risk the lives of others by using your phone on the forecourt you excuse is not exceptible.
I would like you to explain something though If you belive that using a mobile in a petrol station is not dangerous then why the signs why risk upsetting customers why bother?
The risk is small i grant you that but lighting up in the same fourcourt probably wont cause an explosion but it could.
Its not worth the risk especially when its not you making the call.
Any sort of potential ignition in a petrol station is a risk. Keeping these risk down to a minimum is a good idea. Mobile phone use on the forecourt is not esencial. Not using your mobile on the forecourt eliminates a risk of ignition. Seems like a good idea to me.
The long and the short of it is this. You dont need to use your phone in the petrol station doing so despite what you say is a potential source of ignition. Ignition in a petrol station is not good. Therefore eliminate this risk by not using your phone. Its not much to ask i wonder if its not a look at me thing what point are people trying to make by ignoring safety warnings?
Well it hasn't happened yet that means it never will. Famous last words.
castle
18-10-2007, 05:54 PM
BTW in 2004 243 petrol station fires around the world were attributed to mobiles. Just a conicidence nothing to worry about you just make that call im sure its soooooooooo important it cant wait.
Here's a quote from a myth guy
A lit cigarette was not hot enough to ignite petrol on a filling station, let alone the low voltage of a mobile phone, he claimed. Dr Burgess
Yeah right any one like to try igniting petrol on a forecourt with a cigarette?
http://networks.silicon.com/mobile/0,39024665,11035872,00.htm
Hundreds of mobile phone masts have been secretly installed in petrol station forecourts throughout the country, according to the Sun.
Shell to reveal hidden phone masts
http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/uk/2309645.stm
So its not safe to use a mobile because of a slight danger, but hay we can make money putting a mast there booming out 24/7!!!!
So were you driving and taking the call? If so that very bad also and indicates you dont give a shit about the well being of others around you.
Oh dear cf24 you really dont have a clue do you.
The risks are most certainly not a myth. Whether you received the call before you entered the fore court or not you should not risk the lives of others by using your phone on the forecourt you excuse is not exceptible.
I would like you to explain something though If you belive that using a mobile in a petrol station is not dangerous then why the signs why risk upsetting customers why bother?
The risk is small i grant you that but lighting up in the same fourcourt probably wont cause an explosion but it could.
Its not worth the risk especially when its not you making the call.
Any sort of potential ignition in a petrol station is a risk. Keeping these risk down to a minimum is a good idea. Mobile phone use on the forecourt is not esencial. Not using your mobile on the forecourt eliminates a risk of ignition. Seems like a good idea to me.
The long and the short of it is this. You dont need to use your phone in the petrol station doing so despite what you say is a potential source of ignition. Ignition in a petrol station is not good. Therefore eliminate this risk by not using your phone. Its not much to ask i wonder if its not a look at me thing what point are people trying to make by ignoring safety warnings?
Well it hasn't happened yet that means it never will. Famous last words.
Based on the evidence you have put forward so far, its obviously you who hasn't a clue!
Its also a bit presumptuous of you to suggest that I was putting others in danger by taking the call whilst driving, have you not heard of hands free?
The rest of your post was a load of waffle, you sound like a public information broadcast FFS!
BTW in 2004 243 petrol station fires around the world were attributed to mobiles. Just a conicidence nothing to worry about you just make that call im sure its soooooooooo important it cant wait.
Here's a quote from a myth guy
Yeah right any one like to try igniting petrol on a forecourt with a cigarette?
Whats the source of your info? Link?
http://networks.silicon.com/mobile/0,39024665,11035872,00.htm
Shell to reveal hidden phone masts
http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/uk/2309645.stm
So its not safe to use a mobile because of a slight danger, but hay we can make money putting a mast there booming out 24/7!!!!
Exactafukinmundo!
castle
18-10-2007, 06:04 PM
In a word yes.
Its not the RF thats the potential problem its sparks from the handsets.
Mind you petrol stations dont like you using transmitters on the forecourt because they could be used to rip them off. It dosent really work now they cottoned onto it but years ago a signal around 27 megahertz say from a CB with a linear amplifier boosting it up to a round half a kilowatt with a small gain antenna actually used to slow the pumps counter down so you got more fuel for less money. Virtually overnight after they found out parts of petrol pumps were lead lined.
I would like to point out the I think that mast and mobile phones are a danger to
peoples health and well being, There is a lot they are not telling you about them.
http://www.tetrawatch.net/main/index.php
http://www.powerwatch.org.uk/
I am not against people having mobile phones, but the technology should be safe.
In a word yes.
27 megahertz say from a CB with a linear amplifier boosting it up to a round half a kilowatt with a small gain antenna .
Of course, thats what it'll be then..... Silly me.
castle
18-10-2007, 06:10 PM
Based on the evidence you have put forward so far, its obviously you who hasn't a clue!
Its also a bit presumptuous of you to suggest that I was putting others in danger by taking the call whilst driving, have you not heard of hands free?
The rest of your post was a load of waffle, you sound like a public information broadcast FFS!
Its not the driving with one had thats the problem its the distraction as studies have shown.
Are mobile phones a potential source of a spark, yes. Can a spark ignite petrol vapour yes. Is there petrol vapour in petrol stations yes.
Common sense should tell anyone wait and use it later no matter how small the risk. You not just gambling your life on that call remember that. When a petrol station goes up it creates a bloody mess.
Industry Bias
http://www.powerwatch.org.uk/bias.asp
http://www.powerwatch.org.uk/columns/morgan/images/20060818_glioma.gif
Its not the driving with one had thats the problem its the distraction as studies have shown.
Are mobile phones a potential source of a spark, yes. Can a spark ignite petrol vapour yes. Is there petrol vapour in petrol stations yes.
Common sense should tell anyone wait and use it later no matter how small the risk. You not just gambling your life on that call remember that. When a petrol station goes up it creates a bloody mess.
Your struggling here, did I mention driving with one hand?
Thats why plod have god knows how many gadgets in-car they manage to operate?
Too many distractions to list that are far worse than using a mobile hands free...
Still waiting for your source and links to the 243 petrol station fires attributed to mobiles.....
mercuryrapids
18-10-2007, 06:16 PM
Phoning from a plane thats been hijacked i can see the need for that.
My point wasn't the need to make the call. The point is that a) the technology has only recently become widely available to airlines (it demands the installation of a mobile phone station on each plane) and b) if using mobiles on planes can adversely affect navigation, how did these idiots that couldn't fly Cessnas manage to keep the planes on course?
mercuryrapids
18-10-2007, 06:18 PM
Its not the driving with one had thats the problem its the distraction as studies have shown.
Are mobile phones a potential source of a spark, yes. Can a spark ignite petrol vapour yes. Is there petrol vapour in petrol stations yes.
Common sense should tell anyone wait and use it later no matter how small the risk. You not just gambling your life on that call remember that. When a petrol station goes up it creates a bloody mess.
I guess all the UK's petrol stations should close on Bonfire Night then... :rolleyes:
911 was an inside job, anybody doing there own research finds that out.
castle
18-10-2007, 06:19 PM
Of course, thats what it'll be then..... Silly me.
Quoting me out of context naught naughty.
Quoting me out of context naught naughty.
Correct, just quoting the geek speak!
castle
18-10-2007, 06:36 PM
My point wasn't the need to make the call. The point is that a) the technology has only recently become widely available to airlines (it demands the installation of a mobile phone station on each plane) and b) if using mobiles on planes can adversely affect navigation, how did these idiots that couldn't fly Cessnas manage to keep the planes on course?
Mobiles could adversely affect navigation not definitely will but potentially could. The Cessna thing is laughable really, Hani Hanjour who the claim was made about had a full private and a full commercial pilots licence with instrument flying, they dont just give those away. He had a round 600 hundred hours flying time which is a massive amount and could quite easily have done what he did. The interview where a pilot talks about Hani Hanjour in loose change is edited in such a way as to mislead. Interpreting not being able to land a certain plane regardless of size to a standard where as an insurance company would let you hire the plane and fly it solo to not being able to fly a plane into a building is silly.
Explain this if Hani Hanjour was such a wank pilot how did he get a private and commercial licence before he even went to hire the Cessna. If you ask a pilot he will tell you there's nothing strange in a pilot having a little trouble landing a plane new to him first couple of times round.
The technology to make clear uninterrupted calls has only recently been installed in planes. This however does not mean it was impossible to make a call from a plane before that.
mercuryrapids
18-10-2007, 09:25 PM
castle said:
Explain this if Hani Hanjour was such a wank pilot how did he get a private and commercial licence before he even went to hire the Cessna.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hani_Hanjour
in January 2001, Arizona JetTech flight school managers reported him to the FAA at least five times because his English was inadequate for the commercial pilot’s certificate he had already obtained. It took him five hours to complete an oral exam meant to last just two hours, said Peggy Chevrette. Hanjour failed UA English classes with a 0.26 GPA and a JetTech manager said “He could not fly at all.”
castle said:
The technology to make clear uninterrupted calls has only recently been installed in planes. This however does not mean it was impossible to make a call from a plane before that.
http://www.physics911.net/projectachilles
...the chance of a typical cellphone call from cruising altitude making it to ground and engaging a cellsite there is less than one in a hundred. To calculate the probability that two such calls will succeed involves elementary probability theory. The resultant probability is the product of the two probabilities, taken separately. In other words, the probability that two callers will succeed is less than one in ten thousand. In the case of a hundred such calls, even if a large majority fail, the chance of, say 13 calls getting through can only be described as infinitesimal. In operational terms, this means “impossible.”
castle
19-10-2007, 03:28 PM
Your struggling here, did I mention driving with one hand?
Thats why plod have god knows how many gadgets in-car they manage to operate?
Too many distractions to list that are far worse than using a mobile hands free...
Still waiting for your source and links to the 243 petrol station fires attributed to mobiles.....
I never said you mentioned driving on hand. You mentioned has free, i pointed out that its not the driving with one hand thats the problem its the distraction of making the call. This therfore means hands free dosent make it particularly safer.
castle
19-10-2007, 04:56 PM
So Hanjour was a pilot with a commercial and private licence with over 6 hundred hours flying who couldnt fly lol. The only draw back you can find is his English was poor. How poor English would inhibit him crashing a plane into a building i cannot fathom. I understand he was reported because they thought his lack of English was dangerous in comunications, thats got sweet FA to do with his flying ability. As for the he could not fly at all thats BS. You dont get a private licence if you cant fly let alone a commercial one. 600 hours flying time is a hell of a lot.
When push comes to pull the dont give a way comercial or private piolets lincences in cerial boxes. What i will try and do is find the whole unedited interview with the guy who Hanjour wanted to loan the plane from. The interview is edited in such a way in loose change as to make the instructor appear to be saying compleatly different things to what he actuall was.
http://www.physics911.net/projectachilles
Are Project Achilles what a waste of time that was. If you were going to do the experiment at the very least you should fly the same route.
First off you have to find out how many cell phone calls were made if i remember correctly it was only a few most were made on the air phones. Also passengers relatives have reported that during the cell phone calls the signal was lost many times and regaining the call took time so the idea that these calls were problem free would be wrong. The main problem when making cell phone calls would be drop outs caused by handovers not being completed properly from one repeater to the next.
http://i101.photobucket.com/albums/m80/911debunker/flight93calltable.jpg
castle
19-10-2007, 05:04 PM
Those dumb firefighters belive the hype
CBS/AP) Flames shot up around a 21-year-old college student whose cell phone rang while he was pumping gas.
Firefighters said Matthew Erhorn, a SUNY New Paltz student, received minor burns at a Mobil station near the New York State Thurway (Interstate 87) Thursday night.
"I'm very surprised," Erhorn said.
He shouldn't have been. There's a sign at the pumps at the New Paltz gas station warning that cell phones should be turned off for safety while pumping gas.
Firefighters believe the cell phone ignited vapors coming from the car's fuel tank as it was being filled.
It doesn't take much of a charge to ignite gasoline vapors, New Paltz fire chief Patrick Koch told WCBS-AM's Peter Haskell. "Anything, really. Women's nylon stockings when they get out of a vehicle, that can cause a spark, too."
That's why motorists are told "don't use their cell phones when they're pumping gas. Really, it's deadly," Koch said.
The fire was immediately put out by the service station's fire suppression system, using an oxygen-killing powder. That covered other cars in the gas station parking lot as well as nearby trees.
The station will remain closed until the system can be recharged.
New Paltz is about 75 miles north of New York City.
Really you would have thought a firefighter would know its hype if conspiracy theorists and a sociologist do.
lookfar
19-10-2007, 05:10 PM
I never said you mentioned driving on hand. You mentioned has free, i pointed out that its not the driving with one hand thats the problem its the distraction of making the call. This therfore means hands free dosent make it particularly safer.
I personally think if you're using your hands-free, it's no different than having passengers in your car & holding a conversation with them (after all you only have to push one button to answer a call!). Perhaps we should all drive alone so as not to endanger anyone else maybe, lol:rolleyes:
Plus on numerous occasions, I've had to call colleagues from work who were driving (with important relevant information I might add) and the only place along the motorway where they've been able to take the call is from petrol stations. & no fires or explosions have happened so far :) Although I do also text them, if I can, to avoid a call though too, lol!
lottie
19-10-2007, 05:36 PM
*sighs*
A car with 4 screaming children and babies in the back is FAR more distracting than ANY phonecall on a mobile.....people have been eating, smoking, talking, listening to EXTREMELY loud music, laughing etc etc for years and years and years and years.......this has all come about to enforce yet more CONTROL and reduce our 'rights' significantly!! I can understand not drinking and driving but this is getting f**king ridiculous now.....where do you draw the line?
I think it should be illegal to have children in your car when driving....its not safe for them and its certainly distracting when a child cries,talks,screeches,whines,moans,mumbles etc etc whilst you are driving!
If there are to be bans about not talking on the phone- you have to go down the road of.....NO RADIO's/CD PLAYERS installed in cars anymore, NO PHONES, NO FOOD, NO SMOKING, NO LOOKING OUT OF THE WINDOW AT ANYTHING ELSE ACCEPT TRAFFIC OR THE ROAD, NO PASSENGERS, NO CONVERSATION, NO CHILDREN, NO PETS, NO SHOPPING (incase it falls over and distracts you)
In the end there'll be no point in bloody driving!!
matrixcutter
19-10-2007, 05:46 PM
In the end there'll be no point in bloody driving!!
They will have to put the price of petrol/gas up to virtually unaffordable prices before that happens, and it will.
castle
19-10-2007, 05:56 PM
I personally think if you're using your hands-free, it's no different than having passengers in your car & holding a conversation with them (after all you only have to push one button to answer a call!). Perhaps we should all drive alone so as not to endanger anyone else maybe, lol:rolleyes:
Plus on numerous occasions, I've had to call colleagues from work who were driving (with important relevant information I might add) and the only place along the motorway where they've been able to take the call is from petrol stations. & no fires or explosions have happened so far :) Although I do also text them, if I can, to avoid a call though too, lol!
Nobody is saying a fire is a certainty when using a mobile around petrol. Im not even saying it likely what i am saying is its possible.
I once saw a guy pull into the forecourt with his car actually on fire. He stopped got out opened his petrol cap shoved the pump in a waited for the attendant to arm the pump. There was smoke and flames coming from under his bonnet and he kew all about it. The attendant shouted a warning over the tannoy and his reply was to shout back " dont worry its only oil burning". There was no explosion and staff ran out and put the car out with powder extinguishers. So the petrol station didn't go up that time but this does not mean it wouldn't next time. Just because you have used your phone in a petrol station and what the warning signs say could happen didn't its safe to do so.
BTW texting would be no different than making a call. Its not the RF being transmitted by the phone it the use of the handset and the danger of a spark resulting from that.
What also needs to be taken into consideration is you think its ok thats fine thats your right but when you make that call your not the only life your putting at risk. So just out of respect for others who have no say in the risk with their life you are about to take you shouldn't do it.
castle
19-10-2007, 06:03 PM
*sighs*
A car with 4 screaming children and babies in the back is FAR more distracting than ANY phonecall on a mobile.....people have been eating, smoking, talking, listening to EXTREMELY loud music, laughing etc etc for years and years and years and years.......this has all come about to enforce yet more CONTROL and reduce our 'rights' significantly!! I can understand not drinking and driving but this is getting f**king ridiculous now.....where do you draw the line?
I think it should be illegal to have children in your car when driving....its not safe for them and its certainly distracting when a child cries,talks,screeches,whines,moans,mumbles etc etc whilst you are driving!
If there are to be bans about not talking on the phone- you have to go down the road of.....NO RADIO's/CD PLAYERS installed in cars anymore, NO PHONES, NO FOOD, NO SMOKING, NO LOOKING OUT OF THE WINDOW AT ANYTHING ELSE ACCEPT TRAFFIC OR THE ROAD, NO PASSENGERS, NO CONVERSATION, NO CHILDREN, NO PETS, NO SHOPPING (incase it falls over and distracts you)
In the end there'll be no point in bloody driving!!
I agree there are a great many distractions while driving thats why i think adding an unnessersary one to the list is foolish.
BTW radios and CD players extra do not cause anywhere near the level of distraction a call on a phone does.
Try playing brain training while listening to music the play while having a conversation on the phone. While playing on the phone your score will drop.
Using a Mobile in a petrol station is dangerous as is making a call while driving. While people do these things though unfortunately they are not only risking there well being but that of those around them who have no say in what they are doing which is inconsiderate to say the least. Want to make a call make it somewhere else dont risk my ass without my say so.
castle
19-10-2007, 06:15 PM
in January 2001, Arizona JetTech flight school managers reported him to the FAA at least five times because his English was inadequate for the commercial pilot’s certificate he had already obtained. It took him five hours to complete an oral exam meant to last just two hours, said Peggy Chevrette. Hanjour failed UA English classes with a 0.26 GPA and a JetTech manager said “He could not fly at all.”
Some of this quote allegedly about Hanjour was about Hanjour (“I'm still to this day amazed that he could have flown into the Pentagon. He could not fly at all”). This comes from a “former employee” at JetTech, a flying school Hanjour attended in January and February of 2001 The rest of the quote didn’t originally refer to Hanjour, though: it’s somehow been assembled from a comment about Al-Mihdhar and Al-Hazmi.
Nawaq al-Hazmi and Khaid al-Mihdhar briefly attended a San Diego fight school the previous spring, where they washed out because of their limited English and incompetence at the controls. After just two flying lessons, their shaken instructors said “no more,” and advised al-Hazmi and al-Mihdhar to quit. “Their English was horrible, and their mechanical skills were even worse,” one instructor told the Washington Post. “It was like they had hardly even ever driven a car.
http://www.willthomas.net/911/911_Commission_Hearing.htm
Castles, you are obviously a person who lives in fear.... I on the other hand do not worry about a minuscule chance of a mobile phone causing a petrol station to blow up or other such things. As mentioned in your post, there is as much chance of a pair of ladies tights causing a fire at a petrol station. Stop worrying so much and live a little, your like Victor bloody Meldrew.....
castle
19-10-2007, 06:25 PM
Castles, you are obviously a person who lives in fear.... I on the other hand do not worry about a minuscule chance of a mobile phone causing a petrol station to blow up or other such things. As mentioned in your post, there is as much chance of a pair of ladies tights causing a fire at a petrol station. Stop worrying so much and live a little, your like Victor bloody Meldrew.....
Bollocks.
If you want to risk you life thats fine no one gave you permission to risk mine. Got it yet?
Hopefully you will never be anywhere near me, so stop worrying. If you do happen to be, I have a special relationship with the fire brigade so I will arrange for them to cover you in fire retardant foam at first sight.....;):D
Now where's that pushable buttony looking thing...:rolleyes:
castle
19-10-2007, 06:45 PM
Whats really sad is people have become so addicted and reliant on these things that they are not only willing to risk the lives of themselves and others but also risk loosing their driving licence, fines and even imprisonment to use them. I just cant see the great attraction in a piece of plastic thats quite often makes people annoyed and costs a packet to buy and run.
Lets just hope you never do have an accident while on your phone as words do have a habit of coming back and biting you in the ass.
lookfar
19-10-2007, 06:47 PM
Hopefully you will never be anywhere near me, so stop worrying. If you do happen to be, I have a special relationship with the fire brigade so I will arrange for them to cover you in fire retardant foam at first sight.....;):D
Now where's that pushable buttony looking thing...:rolleyes:
LMAO, it's here honey, remember????!!!;):p:rolleyes:
http://img218.imageshack.us/img218/2725/firekg2.jpg
Cmon you can admit it, you're feeling the urge aren't ya, LOL????:rolleyes::p
Oooh, look at that! Im salivating already......
Who knows, a few absinthe's and sambuca's and that glass will be going through....:D
lookfar
19-10-2007, 07:58 PM
Oooh, look at that! Im salivating already......
Who knows, a few absinthe's and sambuca's and that glass will be going through....:D
Hehe steady there boyo, don't get all carried away now, lol!!:D
Yeah there were quite a few absinthe's & sambuca's, not to mention the copious amounts of cider too, LMAO!!:D:p;) I dunno how you do it honey, bless ya!!:)
So you were counting then were you eh? I can't remember the cider...
I usually stay away from that these days as it makes me a little too mischievous :eek:
lookfar
19-10-2007, 08:17 PM
So you were counting then were you eh? I can't remember the cider...
I usually stay away from that these days as it makes me a little too mischievous :eek:
No we lost count remember, you kept confusing me cos there was so much, lol!!:eek:;) You started on the cider, you were washing the sambuca's & absinthe's down with it, you nutter!!;):p
Haha you were plenty mischievous boyo that's for sure, lol!!!:D You're just great fun babe & you always make me laugh!!:D;)
http://img47.imageshack.us/img47/7622/love3blowingkissji2.gif
dodie
19-10-2007, 08:21 PM
So you were counting then were you eh? I can't remember the cider...
I usually stay away from that these days as it makes me a little too mischievous :eek:
Alright my welsh brother,i think that is a massive understatement....what do you mean A LITTLE MISCHIEVOUS..:)
Alright my welsh brother,i think that is a massive understatement....what do you mean A LITTLE MISCHIEVOUS..:)
Right on cue bro, I was just thinking of you yesterday! Will txt you my new number when lil cf24 gets off my phone.....
Ok, ok. I must have been then...:rolleyes: I honestly thought I was pretty good, with just a little twist of mischief at the end of the night......:)
lookfar
19-10-2007, 08:28 PM
Right on cue bro, I was just thinking of you yesterday! Will txt you my new number when lil cf24 gets off my phone.....
Ok, ok. I must have been then...:rolleyes: I honestly thought I was pretty good, with just a little twist of mischief at the end of the night......:)
Haha, no let her play for a bit, bless her!!:D
Hehe there was plenty of mischief boyo, you just can't remember after all those drinks, lol!!:p;):eek:
spacegurl
20-10-2007, 01:56 AM
I remember many incidents when I nearly got run over by a car because the driver was using a mobile phone. Many drivers did this all the time but because of accidents this was stopped:
http://www.thinkroadsafety.gov.uk/advice/mobilephones.htm
People should concentrate on driving, not using a phone as well. Imagine when the phone conversation gets heated and the driver loses control.
http://www.gizmag.com/go/7794/
...and yet with all those passengers on the four 9/11 planes using their mobiles to call their loved ones (as opposed to those using the airphones), those jets (bar one) still hit their designated targets. Hmmmmmmmm...
Mobile phones only really interfere with communications systems on an aircraft adn some guidance subsystems. By the time people had figured out someone had done a shafty morris on them and they were going to die, so figured they'd better phone in that they'd be late for dinner, the pilots of the aircraft would have not required the use of these systems.
in short - the pilots would not have needed the communications systems
and the interference with guidance is a 50/50 thing.
veritas2007
20-10-2007, 09:53 AM
Mobile phones only really interfere with communications systems on an aircraft adn some guidance subsystems. By the time people had figured out someone had done a shafty morris on them and they were going to die, so figured they'd better phone in that they'd be late for dinner, the pilots of the aircraft would have not required the use of these systems.
in short - the pilots would not have needed the communications systems
and the interference with guidance is a 50/50 thing.
That explains why you are asked not to switch your phone on until the engines have stopped after landing.
I remember many incidents when I nearly got run over by a car because the driver was using a mobile phone. Many drivers did this all the time but because of accidents this was stopped:
http://www.thinkroadsafety.gov.uk/advice/mobilephones.htm
People should concentrate on driving, not using a phone as well. Imagine when the phone conversation gets heated and the driver loses control.
http://www.gizmag.com/go/7794/
Yeah, i've had a few near misses with people driving and holding their phone at the same time too, thats why we have hands free these days. Then its no different to holding a conversation with someone in the car. I've also had more near misses just down to driver incompetence, and people not paying attention.....
juliekc
20-10-2007, 01:10 PM
As I understand it the majority of the phonecalls made from hijacked jets on 9/11 were from flight 93. They were not made on mobile/cell phones but 'airphones', whatever they are.
I have no idea what airphones are, but would like to know more.
Apparently the only phonecalls from flight 93 made on mobile phones were near the end when the plane was low.
JulieKC
castle
20-10-2007, 01:25 PM
I actually watched a programme about the tests below being carried out. The reporter who was asking the questions seemed a little sceptical of the findings so they ran the tests on him. After taking the tests he had to agree with the findings.
Hands-free car phones are 'as dangerous as drink-driving'
James Randerson, science correspondent
Friday June 30, 2006
The Guardian
Using a hands-free kit while at the wheel is as dangerous as drink driving, according to a study of volunteers in a driving simulator. The researchers conclude that all mobile phone use while driving should be banned.
"Just like you put yourself and other people at risk when you drive drunk, you put yourself and others at risk when you use a cellphone and drive. The level of impairment is very similar," said the report's lead author, David Strayer, a professor of psychology at the University of Utah.
The researchers studied the driving skills of 40 volunteers who followed a virtual car in a driving simulator which was programmed to brake at random.
Each of the volunteers performed the task four times: without distractions, while using a handheld phone, while speaking on a hands-free kit and after downing enough vodka to put them just over the drink-driving limit.
As in previous studies, the researchers found that talking into the phone, whether hands-free or hand-held, impaired their driving. Drivers were 9% slower hitting the brakes, 24% more variable in the distance they kept behind the lead car and 19% slower resuming their normal speed. Their impairment was similar to that when they drove drunk.
Proposed new legislation which is passing through parliament will mean that drivers caught using a hand-held phone will receive three points on their licence. A spokesman for the Royal Society for the Prevention of Accidents welcomed the move. "We hope that will give the law new teeth," he said.
The society had wanted hands-free kits to be included from the start, he added, although he conceded that this would be difficult to enforce.
"We want people to take the law very seriously," said a spokesman for the Department for Transport. "We don't want people to lose their licence, we want them to hang up."
He said there were no plans to extend the law to cover hands-free kits, but added that users who became distracted and caused an accident risked other penalties. "Don't think you are above the law because you are using hands-free."
castle
20-10-2007, 01:33 PM
As I understand it the majority of the phonecalls made from hijacked jets on 9/11 were from flight 93. They were not made on mobile/cell phones but 'airphones', whatever they are.
I have no idea what airphones are, but would like to know more.
Apparently the only phonecalls from flight 93 made on mobile phones were near the end when the plane was low.
JulieKC
This chart shows who made calss how many for how long and how the calls were made on flight 93.
http://i101.photobucket.com/albums/m80/911debunker/flight93calltable.jpg
An airphone is just a hand set in the back of the seat for passengers to make calls on. You use it like a normal phone and pay with your credit card. Provision is made when they are installed to insure they dont interfere with the planes electronics.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Air-ground_radiotelephone_service
castle
20-10-2007, 01:36 PM
The fear monger returns!
LOL
Just facts son just facts.
You might have convinced yourself its safe in some weird justification to carry on doing it but in reality its not safe at all. Not fear mongering son just quoting fact.
Sorry to upset your apple cart.
You don't upset 'son', your just a typical clone of the fear based mentality....
spacegurl
20-10-2007, 02:07 PM
Yeah, i've had a few near misses with people driving and holding their phone at the same time too, thats why we have hands free these days. Then its no different to holding a conversation with someone in the car. I've also had more near misses just down to driver incompetence, and people not paying attention.....
That is the whole point I was making. They banned drivers using mobile phones because they're dangerous. Before then nobody thought they were although accidents kept happening as a result.
Like has been said numerous times, where do you draw the line. Kids playing up in the back seats is far more distracting, but they wont get banned, well not yet anyway. Why pick on phone users who have both hands on the steering wheel, when you have mums & dads grappling with naughty kids in the car. What about them?
castle
20-10-2007, 02:33 PM
You don't upset 'son', your just a typical clone of the fear based mentality....
LOL
Look using a Mobile phone while driving is dangerous whether you like it or not. People who do it are inconsiderate ass holes who shouldn't be allowed to drive. There no excuse for using a mobile while driving no excuse for putting people lives in the balance. Is pulling over such an inconvenience its worth risking lives for?
You can call me all the names you want your still; in the wrong.
LOL
Look using a Mobile phone while driving is dangerous whether you like it or not. People who do it are inconsiderate ass holes who shouldn't be allowed to drive. There no excuse for using a mobile while driving no excuse for putting people lives in the balance. Is pulling over such an inconvenience its worth risking lives for?
You can call me all the names you want your still; in the wrong.
In your fear based opinion only! I will continue to do what I feel is right, and not what some government dept wants me to do......
Carry on taking the bait.
castle
20-10-2007, 02:43 PM
That is the whole point I was making. They banned drivers using mobile phones because they're dangerous. Before then nobody thought they were although accidents kept happening as a result.
It seems like he dosent want to stop using his phone while driving so hes convinced himself its safe and i doubt any evidence will change that even though deep down he knows hes wrong. Drink drivers do the same thing so do people who drive while high on drugs.
No doubt the driver of this car used to chat the same crap.
http://www.2u.co.uk/bluetooth-carkit/images/car-crash-mobile-phone-use-driving.jpg
castle
20-10-2007, 02:46 PM
In your fear based opinion only! I will continue to do what I feel is right, and not what some government dept wants me to do......
Carry on taking the bait.
My fear based what? lol. Evidence its dangerous evidence not by me or from my thoughts but real people doing real experiments which produced real results.
The test were not done by a government department lol and even if they were why disregard evidence? Besides that common sense should tell you its not safe.
Lets just hope your pigheadedness dosent come back to haunt you.
It seems like he dosent want to stop using his phone while driving so hes convinced himself its safe and i doubt any evidence will change that even though deep down he knows hes wrong. Drink drivers do the same thing so do people who drive while high on drugs.
No doubt the driver of this car used to chat the same crap.
http://www.2u.co.uk/bluetooth-carkit/images/car-crash-mobile-phone-use-driving.jpg
Your quite right, I will not stop using my phone whilst driving, along with millions of others, and it is also perfectly legal to do so! I don't have to convince myself of anything, I know i am safe on the road! To say that deep down I know i'm wrong is fantasy, if I thought that then I wouldn't do it, so your well wide of the mark again!
As I said, keep taking the bait....
veritas2007
20-10-2007, 03:27 PM
As I understand it the majority of the phonecalls made from hijacked jets on 9/11 were from flight 93. They were not made on mobile/cell phones but 'airphones', whatever they are.
I have no idea what airphones are, but would like to know more.
Apparently the only phonecalls from flight 93 made on mobile phones were near the end when the plane was low.
JulieKC
Hello JulieKC
Airfones are the ones you find in arm rests, backs of chairs and on the bulkheads in planes:
http://www.thewirelessreport.com/media/2006/06/1904668578055445.jpg
If you've seen Die Hard 2, the nosey investigator on the airplane uses one in the toilets.
To everyone else; can you take your car/mobile phone conversation out of the 9/11 forum please unless it bears any relevance? This thread is about using mobile phones on planes and the alledged phone calls (mobile or otherwise) made on the reported aircraft of 9/11.
Thanks
Lottie started it! LOL....:p
Sorry mate, I will end it there....
Continue with your debate........:D