Mayan Prophecy forecast the End of the World

[jagalman]

Mayan Prophecy forecast the End of the World in 2012 as Planet X approach the Solar System

First of all, I subscribe to the Mayan prophecy that predicts the possible end of human life (and almost all Earth life) to occur on either December 21 or 23, 2012. I'm a believer for several years now.

Why? Because the Mayan civilization had the incredibly advanced knowledge of astronomy. This is not a warning but a precaution of what is to come in the near future, and it doesn't bode well for the rest of humanity and living species.

I sincerely hope that a small number of worthy humans will survive, but it will come with difficult trials of life after the Apocalypse, especially foraging for edible food and drinkable liquid to prevent starvation.

Here are the source links and video clips. Prepare to be amazed or dismiss it as bizarre and non-sense science fiction.

NOVA: Mars magnetic shield - where did it go? (4 min)

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=or5ctagh0to

NSD 42 secret video of Nibiru approaching

(a tiny white dot behind Neptune on the right)



Are You Ready?

(video on Earth suffering catastrophe as Planet X appear closeby, 10 min)

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=U-3RLx_4Y5Y

Why 2012?
http://www.levity.com/eschaton/Why2012.html
(Speculative essay on Mayan long count calendar that ends near end of December 2012)

Apocalypto film director Mel Gibson says world will end in 2012 with a cheerful demeanor
http://www.eonline.com/news/article/index.jsp?uuid=8a6b1483-ea56-44c4-9f5f-cc52ae5525eb&entry=index

7 Reasons World will end in 2012

Scientific experts from around the world are genuinely predicting that five years from now, all life on Earth could well finish. Some are saying it'll be humans that set it off. Others believe that a natural phenomenon will be the cause. And the religious folks are saying it'll be God himself who presses the stop button...


1. Mayan Calendar

The first mob to predict 2012 as the end of the world were the Mayans, a bloodthirsty race that were good at two things:

Building highly accurate astrological equipment out of stone and
Sacrificing Virgins.

Thousands of years ago they managed to calculate the length of the lunar moon as 329.53020 days, only 34 seconds out. The Mayan calendar predicts that the Earth will end on December 21, 2012. Given that they were pretty close to the mark with the lunar cycle, it's likely they've got the end of the world right as well.

2. Sun Storms

Solar experts from around the world monitoring the sun have made a startling discovery: our sun is in a bit of strife. The energy output of the sun is, like most things in nature, cyclic, and it's supposed to be in the middle of a period of relative stability. However, recent solar storms have been bombarding the Earth with so much radiation energy, it's been knocking out power grids and destroying satellites. This activity is predicted to get worse, and calculations suggest it'll reach its deadly peak sometime in 2012

3. The Atom Smasher

Scientists in Europe have been building the world's largest particle accelerator. Basically its a 27km tunnel designed to smash atoms together to find out what makes the Universe tick. However, the mega-gadget has caused serious concern, with some scientists suggesting that it's properly even a bad idea to turn it on in the first place. They're predicting all manner of deadly results, including mini black holes. So when this machine is fired up for its first serious experiment in 2012, the world could be crushed into a super-dense blob the size of a basketball.

4. The Bible says...

If having scientists warning us about the end of the world isn't bad enough,religious folks are getting in on the act aswell. Interpretations of the Christian Bible reveal that the date for Armageddon, the final battle between Good an Evil, has been set down for 2012. The I Ching, also known as the Chinese book of Changes, says the same thing, as do various sections of the Hindu teachings.

5. Super Volcano

Yellowstone National Park in the United States is famous for its thermal springs and Old Faithful geyser. The reason for this is simple - it's sitting on top of the world's biggest volcano, and geological experts are beginning to get nervous sweats. The Yellowstone volcano has a pattern of erupting every 650,000 years or so, and we're many years overdue for an explosion that will fill the atmosphere with ash, blocking the sun and plunging the Earth into a frozen winter that could last up to 15,000 years. The pressure under the Yellowstone is building steadily, and geologists have set 2012 as a likely date for the big bang.

6. The Physicists

This one's case of bog-simple maths mathematics. Physicists at Berekely Uni have been crunching the numbers. and they've determined that the Earth is well overdue for a major catastrophic event. Even worse, they're claiming their calculations prove, that we're all going to die, very soon - while also saying their prediction comes with a certainty of 99 percent- and 2012 just happens to be the best guess as to when it occurs.

7. Slip-Slop-Slap-BANG!

We all know the Earth is surrounded by a magnetic field that sheilds us from most of the sun's radiation. What you might not know is that the magnetic poles we call north and south have a nasty habit of swapping places every 750,000 years or so - and right now we're about 30,000 years overdue. Scientists have noted that the poles are drifting apart roughly 20-30kms each year, much faster than ever before, which points to a pole-shift being right around the corner. While the pole shift is underway, the magnetic field is disrupted and will eventually disappear, sometimes for up to 100 years. The result is enough UV outdoors to crisp your skin in seconds, killing everything it touches.


This may be the future event of "Galactic Alignment" (Q&A: what is galactic alignment?)
http://survive2012.com/why_2012_alignment.php

Nibiru - Planet of the Crossing (YT, 4 min)

Background information: Nibiru & the Anunnaki

The Timing of Nibiru's Last Appearance


NIBIRU 2012 - THE END? (7 min)

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZlcPWa6SomE

The History Channel - The Mayan Prophecy Part 1 of 5

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZbjZmqibntw

The History Channel - Decoding the Past: The Mayan Doomsday Prophecy Part 1 of 5

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fRgsygn1brg

Description of Nibiru's orbital path (graphical figure)

New Scientist magazine: The planet that stalked the Earth
http://www.newscientist.com/article/mg18324605.200.html

NASA suppress the knowledge of "Planet X"
http://yowusa.com/planetx/2007/planetx-2007-08b/1.shtml

The search for "Planet X" as a darker companion to the Sun (numerous partial articles published in New York Times, Newsweek, etc)

Planet X Video with experts on the Dark Star theory
http://www.planetxvideo.com/
http://www.planet-x.150m.com/washpost.html
Possibly as Large as Jupiter; Mystery Heavenly Body Discovered

"They Want Your Soul" (on the subject New World Order towards the end of 2012, 17 min)

http://video.google.com/videoplay?docid=209842906347732903&hl=en

[serpentoffire]

http://www.nasa.gov/images/content/144055main_Cycle24PredictionHathaway%5B3.jpg

[serpentoffire]

Complete 13-baktun Cycle Long Count Proleptic Gregorian Calendar Date

0.0.0.0.0 August 11, 3114 BCE
1.0.0.0.0 November 13, 2720 BCE
2.0.0.0.0 February 16, 2325 BCE
3.0.0.0.0 May 21, 1931 BCE
4.0.0.0.0 August 23, 1537 BCE
5.0.0.0.0 November 26, 1143 BCE
6.0.0.0.0 February 28, 748 BCE
7.0.0.0.0 June 3, 354 BCE
8.0.0.0.0 September 5, 41 CE
9.0.0.0.0 December 9, 435 CE
10.0.0.0.0 March 13, 830 CE
11.0.0.0.0 June 15, 1224 CE
12.0.0.0.0 September 18, 1618 CE
13.0.0.0.0 December 21, 2012 CE

Then the earth rebirth? The time loop.
Who will survive, it will return to August 11, 3114 BCE.
I had a vision of this.

[thirdwave]

if it will be the end of the world... or most will die... who would want to survive?

so you can pick at the scraps before you rot away??

If it really did come to that I would rather move on to another place and dust my hands with this place, It would apear you cant polish a shit.

[chinchilla]

What a great time to be in, maybe everyone who is alive now and will be alive around 2012 is alive for a reason?

[serpentoffire]

2-46
Dopo grande strage umana una piu' grande s'appresta
(After great human massacre a more large it's preparing)
Il grande motore i secoli rinnova:
(the great motor the centuries renews:)
Pioggia,sangue,latte,fame,ferro e peste,
(Rain, blood, milk, hunger, iron and plague,)
Al cielo visto fuoco,correndo in lunga fiamma.
(seen sky fire, running in long flame.)

2-62
MABUS poi tosto allora morira',verra'
(MABUS then he will die, it will come..)
di gente e bestie,una orribile disfatta
(..of people and beasts, one horrible loss)
Poi tutto ad un colpo la vendetta si vedra'
(Then in a moment the vendetta will see)
Cento mano,sete,fame,quando correra' la Cometa
(Hundreds hands, silks, hunger, when the Comet run)

1-87
Dal magma infuocato del centro della Terra
(From the heated magma of the center of the Earth)
Fara' tremare attorno la citta' nuova.
(it will shake around the new city)
Due grandi rocche lungo tempo faranno la guerra
(Two large enemies for long time will make the war)
Poi Aretusa fuori uscira' un nuovo fiume.
(Aretusa will bring outside a new river)

1-64
Di notte il Sole penseranno d'aver visto
(During the night the Sun people will think to have seen)
Quando il porco meta' uomo si vedra',
(When the pig half-man will be visible)
Assordante canto,battaglia in Cielo confinato,iniziata,
(Deafening song, battles in confined sky, started)
E animali spaventosi la gente parlare udira'.
(and frightful animals people to speak will listen)

2-3
Per il calore solare sopra il mare
(For the solar heat over the sea)
Nel Negroponto i pesci meta'-cotti
(In Negroponto fishs will be half cooked)
Gli abitanti li verranno addentare
(people will come to bite them)
Quando Rodi e Genova a loro fornira' la galletta.
(When Rodi and Genoa will give food them)

2-96
Fiamma ardente al cielo sara' vista
(Burning flame to the sky it will be seen)
Presso la fine e' il principe di Rosne
(Near the end is the prince of Rosne)
Fame,spada,tardi il soccorso giunto
(Hunger, sword, late the aid)
La Persia torna ad invadere la Macedonia.
(Persia returns to invade the Macedonian)

6-6
Apparira' verso il Settentrione
(It will appear along North)
Non lungo del Cancro la stella crinita
(Not along the Cancer the flamming star)
Susa,Siena,Boezia Eretrion
Morira' di Roma il grande,la notte disperato.
(It will die the greath of Rome, the night deprived of hope)

2-41
La grande stella per sette giorni brucera'
(The great star for seven days will burn)
Tra nuvole fara' due soli apparire
(Between clouds two suns will appear)
Il grosso mastino tutta la notte urlera'
(Large mastiff all the night will scream)
Quando grande pontefice cambiera' di territorio.
(When great Pope will change of territory)

2-43
Durante l'apparenza della stella crinita
(During the appearance of the burning star)
I tre grandi principi saranno in inimicizia:
(the three great princes will be enemies)
Colpita dal cielo la pace,terra tremante,
(Hit from the sky the peace, shaking earth,)
Po,Timbre,uno col serpente sopra il bordo messo.
(Po, Timbre, one with the snake over the edge it will put)

6-97
Cinque e quaranta gradi il cielo brucera'
(5 and 40 degrees sky will burn)
Fuoco si approssimera' sulla citta' nuova
(Fire will come on new city)
Nell'istante grande fiamma espansa brucera'
(In the moment greath flam will burn)
Quando si vedra' dei Normanni fare l'esperimento.
(When it will be seen of Normand make the experiment)

8-77
L'Anticristo tre ben tosto annichiliti
(The Antichrist will be annihilated)
Venti e sette anni sangue durera' la sua guerra
(20 and 7 years blood it will last his war)
Gli eretici morti,prigionieri esiliati
(the heretical men will be dead, prisoners will be sent away)
Senza corpi umani acqua rossa grandinare terra
(Without human bodies red water, to hail earth)

[synergy777]

it won't be the end of the world, but a transition to new level of existence, new dimensions. all life evolves, hence dimensions/spirits will evolve also.

its a positive thing, henec the scramble by the elite to stop us. they cannot control cosmic movemnets, eg the shift of our galaxy to the galactic centre.

they can however curtail our development,
by keeping us prisoners of fear,
embroiled in war,
operating in the reptile core.

this info should give impetus, motivation to know we are in tune with the cosmic movement and will move forward together, they are losing control,

we have the power, but do we have the courage/compassion ?

[spacegurl]

No the Mayan Calander does NOT predict the end of the world. That concept is very xtian. The calander predicts a change, not the end.

[lostinstrangeworld]

I watched some of the Ian Rungold lecture on Youtube or google, and he said that it was illegal to talk about the final section of the Mayan Prophecies so they are kept hidden......

Is this true?

Anybody know more?

[kblood]

If the world is going to end, I wouldnt miss it for the world :rolleyes:

Its not like the world ends every day... unless maybe if you are in Jehovas Witnesses, or some doomsday cult.

[adimon]

The world is not going to end. Why would it?

[de_shit]

Why would life restart at 3112 B.C. or so? That doesn't make sense.

[adimon]

Why would life restart at 3112 B.C. or so? That doesn't make sense.

Life didn't restart at 3112 BC -why do you think that?

[ngawaka19]

Peace on Earth
Being Here and Now
Harmony to All
Faith in Creation
Exceptance
Non attachment
Sit within the deep knowing love, creations love
give thanks
and don't pay your tax's


arohatinonui
ngawaka19

[serpentoffire]

Life didn't restart at 3112 BC -why do you think that?

The time loop
(from the 'Tales from Time Loop', moderator do I have to pay copyright?)

My words in the first ayahuasca session said that the five-sense 'world' that we daily experience is a 'time loop' that goes around and around basically repeating the same sequence in theme if not detail. What we call the 'future' eventually becomes the 'past' and spins around to repeat the 'present' over and over.

Think of the Matrix as a whirlpool and the Infinite Oneness as the river. The Matrix. is still the 'river', the Infinite One, but, like a whirlpool or eddy, it is operating in its own little world to its own agenda. What has happened, I was told in my altered states, is that the Matrix has forgotten it is the Infinite - the whirlpool has forgotten it is the river. Vortices can be remarkably stable if the circumstances don't change too drastically.
Observe a whirlpool in a river and so long as the flow of water continues in a certain direction and speed the vortex will hold indefinitely. In the same way, the Matrix/Time Loop is going around and around in a perpetuating spiral or cycle that has become a prison for the consciousness trapped by its seductions and illusions. The imprisoned consciousness, too, has forgotten it is Infinite Oneness.

[john67]

I watched some of the Ian Rungold lecture on Youtube or google, and he said that it was illegal to talk about the final section of the Mayan Prophecies so they are kept hidden......

Is this true?

Anybody know more?

I have seen most if not all of ian Lungolds lectures and have not seen him say that. Could you let me know where you saw it please?

I tend to believe in Lungolds ideas, they make a sort of sense to me :D

Anyway we hit the 5th night shortly :cool:

[asentinel]

Complete 13-baktun Cycle Long Count Proleptic Gregorian Calendar Date

0.0.0.0.0 August 11, 3114 BCE
1.0.0.0.0 November 13, 2720 BCE
2.0.0.0.0 February 16, 2325 BCE
3.0.0.0.0 May 21, 1931 BCE
4.0.0.0.0 August 23, 1537 BCE
5.0.0.0.0 November 26, 1143 BCE
6.0.0.0.0 February 28, 748 BCE
7.0.0.0.0 June 3, 354 BCE
8.0.0.0.0 September 5, 41 CE
9.0.0.0.0 December 9, 435 CE
10.0.0.0.0 March 13, 830 CE
11.0.0.0.0 June 15, 1224 CE
12.0.0.0.0 September 18, 1618 CE
13.0.0.0.0 December 21, 2012 CE

Then the earth rebirth? The time loop.
Who will survive, it will return to August 11, 3114 BCE.
I had a vision of this.

Can you give brief detail of how the vision would match up with impression of that era? Was it an experience which involved self or familiar settings? Does is link into the Nostradamus text as quoted?

I have had visions of volcanic explosions, and nuclear as well. However, I don't get a reference for the time line. Maybe something I have already seen but disregarded.

Thanks.

[serpentoffire]

Can you give brief detail of how the vision would match up with impression of that era? Was it an experience which involved self or familiar settings? Does is link into the Nostradamus text as quoted?

I have had visions of volcanic explosions, and nuclear as well. However, I don't get a reference for the time line. Maybe something I have already seen but disregarded.

Thanks.

I saw my self very old, with a white tunic and white shave. I saw all around all green and forests, no megalopolis, no cars, no streets. I saw myself walking towards a temple, built with white marble, with many columns. I saw myself walk up on its scales and die. Then I saw my self go away from the body and flying around the temple. I was not scared, I was happy.

The temple looked like this:

http://pics3.city-data.com/cpicv/vfiles4357.jpg

[agate]

Well, I don't believe that is the real Nibru planet! There is always a hope as long as you keep positive thinking.

[lostinstrangeworld]

It's all an illusion.

[asentinel]

[QUOTE=serpentoffire;163442]I saw my self very old, with a white tunic and white shave. I saw all around all green and forests, no megalopolis, no cars, no streets. I saw myself walking towards a temple, built with white marble, with many columns. I saw myself walk up on its scales and die. Then I saw my self go away from the body and flying around the temple. I was not scared, I was happy.

______

I have had a vision, but from inside a white marble temple, and I experienced myself gazing into a pool of water, a long rectangle pool in the floor (like a lap pool), I was looking at visions in the reflections of the pool. It was inside a white temple with columns, steps down to the pool, a rim not too far off the floor, and I was sitting in a white robe, staring deep into it's reflections.

That is all and then I woke up.

Soon after, I opened a book to read a reference to pools/reflection/past life/future life/choice.

I do not have any images to reference it to, so maybe there will be more to explain the context.

p.s. I am glad you had such a peaceful and calm transition. Maybe confirmation you are in balance with your purpose? cheers.

[serpentoffire]

I have had a vision, but from inside a white marble temple, and I experienced myself gazing into a pool of water, a long rectangle pool in the floor (like a lap pool), I was looking at visions in the reflections of the pool. It was inside a white temple with columns, steps down to the pool, a rim not too far off the floor, and I was sitting in a white robe, staring deep into it's reflections.


We saw the same temple (and this is not a coincidence). The temple is Temple of Bel and it is located in Syria. There is a similar temple in the old Babylon (Baghdad) named the Ishtar Gate (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ishtar_Gate).

http://i241.photobucket.com/albums/ff118/serpentoffire/792134753KkOFceDSyriaMay071177.jpg


Bel is identified by the Greeks as Zeus and as Jupiter by the Romans, and is lord and master of the universe, creator of the world and leader of the gods. He was originally a Babylonian god, and was often mentioned in a triad with the inferior Yarhibol, god of Sun, and god of the moon Aglibol.

http://i241.photobucket.com/albums/ff118/serpentoffire/templeofbel.jpg


The temple is set on an artificial mound that dates back to the 2nd millennium BC and it is almost sure that this site has always been the site of a shrine. This sanctuary is walled and has a courtyard in the center of it, and in the center of the courtyard the cella, which is the original place of worship.

http://i241.photobucket.com/albums/ff118/serpentoffire/79213484dOPBbjIiSyriaMay071186.jpg


http://i241.photobucket.com/albums/ff118/serpentoffire/79213489fiEigRZ0SyriaMay071191.jpg


Inside the cella are the altar where sacrifices were made and a sacred pool. There are two chambers; North and South, both have carved monolithic ceilings. The Northern one is exceptionally known for the seven planets surrounded by the 12 signs of the Zodiac carving, and a procession of camels and veiled women, and the god of Fertility Makkabel. The walls of the courtyard are 205 meters in length and are surrounded by Corinthian headed columns on the outside and porticos with a double row of columns along the inside wall except on the west side where there is one row.

In the Apocrypha (a collection of stories which claim to be expurgated sections of the Bible), in the Book of Bel and the Dragon, it is recorded that King Nebuchadnezzar kept a dragon in the temple of the god Bel, which the people of Babylon worshipped. When the Hebrew prophet Daniel began to denounce the worship of idols, Nebuchadnezzar confronted him with the Bel-dragon, saying that it "liveth and eateth and drinketh; you cannot say that he is no living god; therefore worship him." Daniel responded by killing the dragon.

Dragon like this one?

http://liveu-96.vo.llnwd.net/livevideo/image/70/73370/201196_pm.jpg


http://liveu-71.vo.llnwd.net/livevideo/image/70/73370/201171_pm.jpg

[asentinel]

RE the vision in the marble temple, I can say that my impression was internal of the building only, and even my idea of myself was not clear, eg. I did not see what I looked like exactly, more the effect of "looking out" seeing the surroundings. (I AWOKE WITH THE MEMORY OF STANDING OVER, THE POOL, LOOKING DEEP INTO SWIRLING REFLECTIONS AND THE WORDS RESOUNDING IN MY HEAD - CABINET OF MIRRORS...)

Here is the thing I read in a magazine I bought the next day which (I think) referred to the vision.

TEXT FROM PIECE IN A MAGAZINE I OPENED UP AT THIS PAGE/PARA

"Your next day or the next life you will be born into is like your mirrored image in a pool. At any moment you can check what the pool of your future looks like, but through your own free will, you can make storms rage over it or make waves on its peaceful surface..."

It was a quote from a book published in 1937....

These connections make perfect sense to me, as I have been comfortable trusting this flow of synchronicities for some time now.

It is like a patchwork quilt. I just open up to the information flowing in through me and take heed of pointers along the way. Gentle nudges on the shoulder seem to give me my direction. Time does not need to be linear.

SOF, I found David's book The Biggest Secret in my hands some time ago, but the owner of the bookstore, whom I suspect was in some society, discouraged me from buying it. Not to worry, eventually I found another reference to the information.

[368jrn]

are those "rods" in that 2nd previous post, over the temple? they are among us!:)

[lateral_v]

it won't be the end of the world, but a transition to new level of existence, new dimensions. all life evolves, hence dimensions/spirits will evolve also.

its a positive thing, henec the scramble by the elite to stop us. they cannot control cosmic movemnets, eg the shift of our galaxy to the galactic centre.

they can however curtail our development,
by keeping us prisoners of fear,
embroiled in war,
operating in the reptile core.

this info should give impetus, motivation to know we are in tune with the cosmic movement and will move forward together, they are losing control,

we have the power, but do we have the courage/compassion ?

I tend to agree here, afterall death is just an illusion, I started reading this book by Diana Cooper yesterday "A little light on the spiritual laws" I quote:

"The calendar of the Mayan civilisation ends in the year 2012, for they could not forsee what would happen after the great awakening. The year 2012 marks the end of life as we know it" We are multi dimensional. In the entire history of the earth there has never been an opportunity like this for spiritual growth" ""We are multi-dimensional beings. A dimension is a frequency range. This means part of us may be stuck in low frequency negative emotions while another part is radiating compassion and love into the Universe. Simplistically, the first dimen is the mineral kingdom, where new ideas are rooted.The second dimen is the plant world, which needs light to grow.Light contains spiritual info and knoledge.The third dimension is the animal kingdom.Very materialistic and negative people are also in this dimensional frequency and have forgotton their devine connections.Our planet is now moving into the fourth dimension.
At this frequency humans begin to remember past lives and the truth about who they are.The heart begins to opoen to unconditional love"

I think the elite knows that after this point their whole agenda would have reached it's limit, like the dam David Icke was talking about the dam that is about to burst, therefore they wil do everything in there power to stick to their plans, FEAR FEAR FEAR!!! they are clinging on this is all they've got left!! They might know large portions of the truth and the mayan & annunaki may be far more intellectual than most of us, but they cannot fool the Source, the devine, The Truth ALWAYS prevails :D

[greenleaf]

The Mayan Calendar describes alternating cosmic energies
It describes divine creation from
the Big Bang 16 billion years ago until
the “end of linear time”: October 28, 2011


The Mayan calendar is the only calendar of this planet that is not based on astronomical cycles, but on the evolution of consciousness
It is the link to the evolution of consciousness,
and the divine process of creation, which makes the Mayan calendar a uniquely powerful tool for prophecy

The Shaman king,
Ah-Cacaw of Tikal, celebrates a katun shift
on an Ahau day in ancient timeshttp://img114.imageshack.us/img114/350/picture2bw7.jpg

http://img114.imageshack.us/img114/5157/picture3yh8.jpg

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Every Underworld is twenty times shorter than the one it is built upon


This is why it took 15 billion years for the first
cells to be created while internet has only been
in existence for thirteen years

This is why we have an experience
of time speeding up

This is why as much change happens in a
year today as in a life-time earlier

http://img114.imageshack.us/img114/657/picture4qs4.jpg
Each Underworld is ruled by one of the Thirteen Heavens,
the Oxlahun-ti-ku, and may be divided into seven periods
of light and six intermediate periods of darkness
The proof of the prophetic relevance of the Mayan calendar system comes from the factual evidence that these sequences of
Thirteen Heavens describe the evolution of consciousness on different levels of cosmic history

Each Underworld has a particular effect on the human mind and on human history
The Regional Underworld created a consciousness of oneness with nature
The National Underworld created a left brain consciousness of separation
The Planetary Underworld made humans oblivious to their separation
The current Galactic Underworld creates a right brain consciousness allowing people once again to experience their separation
The Universal Underworld will recreate a consciousness of oneness with the cosmos

We are currently approaching the
Fifth day of the Galactic Underworld.
This brings the Breakthrough of the energies favoring the Eastern hemisphere and right brain half.
www.breakthroughcelebration.com
http://img266.imageshack.us/img266/668/picture5il2.jpg


Here is a download link for the Mayan Calender Calculator and a slide show of above info. (http://www.yourfilelink.com/get.php?fid=434919)

[seer74]

wether they were right or wrong is another matter, but the Mayan belief was very much that 2012 was the END. the mayans believed that the earth went through a seiries of cycles called "suns". they believed they were liveing in the 5th of these cycles, projected to end on 2012. They believed that the "5th Sun" was the LAST cycle of life on Earth.

[seer74]

Long ago the Anunaki calculated how how long it would take to make the psychic prison that is the world we live in inescapable. they determined that by 2012 the prison would be complete, and the return to complete spiritual awareness would be forever beyond our grasp. this is why they want you to think that in 2012 the Great Awakening will come upon us all, so you wait for that until its too late and we are all trapped in illusion forever.

all the while you could be waking up at any time. the door to ascension is always and has always been open. we just have to go through it - and BEFORE 2012 hits. this has been revealed to me in the Akashic Record.

now bow before me in awe as I ascend!!!

[maggie]

I couldn't agree with you more.I was about set to reply on this thread just what you wrote.

[3rdeye]

the mayan calanders defintalty did not say 2012 was the end of the world, but the end of an era and the start of the new time of enlightenment , i strongly beleive in the next 5-6 years that we are about to witness evolution at its finest and i beleive that by knowing ad being fuly aware of our spirital potential may we progress through to the new beginning .
Remember 'the gods created us in there image'
(god through out history has always been recorded as gods plural) hense we are capable of and posess god like powers , think about it what is technology?? the word 'technology' came from ancient texts as 'techna' which translated means 'to manipulate matter' .
and if you are familiar with the PYRAMID OF KNOWLEDGE through out history only the heirachies of the babilonia,illuminati e.t.c have ben granted the power of knowledge (technology) but this is the fun bit that i cant nut out ....
Why would after thousands of years of igrorance would the leaders start to let us into the top of the pyramid (e.g give us the knowledge "techna")
i almost beleive it must have something to do with this celestial evolution cycle and by leaking minimal amouts of there knowledge into the populas it will keep the populas pre-occupied and blind to what is realy going on, which is what they want ,

i love how david says "everything that happens on earth happends for a reason " and its soo god damned true .watch the news or whatever public media you like and watch the events unfold . have an AGENDA create a PROBLEM-wait for public REACTION-offer a SOLUTION which in turn cycles back to the original AGENDA wayyyyyy to simple !!

NOTE ; last night on the news was President Bush shaking hands with the president of iraq an iran on a peace talk .
hahaha no doubt that had been a part of the plan for a long time , and no doubt the next to join a "WAR" will most likely be russia or china as we are closing in on 2012 as they want us to be full of as much fear as they can possibley create ,well i mean who isnt affraid of nuclear weapons ??? so they will have us all caved up inside fearing for our lives while the 200,000 (or so ) year earth cycle completes itslef , this all also related to the NEW WORLD ORDER they will talk up the possibility of a word religion world currency and make it out to be some kind of GOD like savior for the earth ,mmm but rerally all they want is all of us under one controller one bank and one justice system so they can do whatever the fuck they want to us by creating fear ,
but yeah anyways that is a slight scratch of my opinion,
thanx , phil

[seer74]

the mayan beliefs stated in a very clear and direct way that 2012 was the end. I'm not saying it is, but the mayans WERE.
2012 is in reality the point by which the prison doors will be sealed.
the idea of an age of enlightenment coming around in 2012 is Illuminati trick to get you wait till you've been chipped and can't think anything but what they program you with.

[seer74]

Ascend Now.

[3rdeye]

the mayan beliefs stated in a very clear and direct way that 2012 was the end. I'm not saying it is, but the mayans WERE.
2012 is in reality the point by which the prison doors will be sealed.
the idea of an age of enlightenment coming around in 2012 is Illuminati trick to get you wait till you've been chipped and can't think anything but what they program you with.

thats a pretty awesome point you have there SEER!
would you please elaborate on your term 'acsension' more deeply for me ? as i am fairly new to some of this and you seem to be quite well educated on this?
and i mean in quite a literal sence too ,
i am aware of a bit of the spiritual side of things but am having to discover them for myself and could do with a push in the right direction..
in an elaboration of my question i am very curious:
'as i am aware of this door and is nearing, how do i complete the journey through the door?'

thanx ,
peace :) plz

[cruise4]

"the mayan beliefs stated in a very clear and direct way that 2012 was the end"

Could you back this up with links/translations etc. please?

[seer74]

thats a pretty awesome point you have there SEER!
would you please elaborate on your term 'acsension' more deeply for me ? as i am fairly new to some of this and you seem to be quite well educated on this?
and i mean in quite a literal sence too ,
i am aware of a bit of the spiritual side of things but am having to discover them for myself and could do with a push in the right direction..
in an elaboration of my question i am very curious:
'as i am aware of this door and is nearing, how do i complete the journey through the door?'

thanx ,
peace :) plz

by ascension I mean raiseing the frequency of your consciousness beyond these finite dimensions and leaving the dense, low-frequency gravity pit we call "the world" behind. now how to explain how to do it. well I can't I guess cuz like you I'm still here. wait, no I only THINK I am here. There's a clue right there.
Meditation shows me the door, by meditation I mean stillness of the mind. I feel as though one of these times I'm just going to go through and never return. When I release my mind from patterns of thought, beliefs, and passions I find that all is one Infinite nothing and am inclined to stay there, but I get this sense that I am to do something HERE, so I return FOR "NOW"
I guess the answer is JUST LET IT GO.

[seer74]

"the mayan beliefs stated in a very clear and direct way that 2012 was the end"

Could you back this up with links/translations etc. please?

OK, now if I was planning on writeing a book I would have saved all my sources, etc., in order to back up my position. But I do not in the context of discussion feel particularly driven to prove every word I say, just want to give my two cents as it were.
So, no I can't but what I've read is pretty clear to me, that the Mayan belief was that the earth was to go through a series of cycles they refferred to as "Suns" and that the earth was in their time entering the "5th Sun". That the "5th Sun" was to be LAST and that its end date was in 2012.
We can, of course, agree to disagree, and since I don't always save all my sources I guess that in this case that's what we will have to do.

[yanqui uxo]

2012 will certainly the end for some, but not for all. It is certainly not the closing of the prison doors, however.

In 2012, our intuition and our consciousness will "teleport" (for lack of a better word) those of us prepared to a higher (and better, which goes without saying) plane of existence where we will be safe from the Earth changes that will take place on this current vibration.

If you are worried that you won't "make it" please do not fear. There is a reason you are here, reading this. There is a reason you have awoken to the truth of things and have actively sought out information regarding said truth. Remember, Frank Herbert said it best: "Fear is the mind killer." Oh how true this is.

A previous poster (forgive me for not remembering your name, I am new to this forum) said that some of us will "lose our minds" in 2012. This is quite true, both figuratively and literally. Those ready to ascend will indeed "lose" our 3-dimensional minds that are wired to be a machine soley based upon its need to be "right" rather than to survive. We will become 100% "in tune" with our intuition. Those who are not ready, though, will appear to be going insane, or losing their minds, because they cannot withstand the rise of their intuition, due to how beaten and buried it has become by a lifetime of mental abuse by the nefarious people in charge. But just as Rome fell during the National underworld/cycle due to an awakening and shift in consciousness, so will our present day Rome fall during this Galactic underworld/cycle. History does, indeed, repeat itself.

It is our job, those of us who grasp and understand this knowledge, to take it and share it with as many people as possible. This was Ian Xel Lungold's final message before his passing.


Peace and love.

[3rdeye]

by ascension I mean raiseing the frequency of your consciousness beyond these finite dimensions and leaving the dense, low-frequency gravity pit we call "the world" behind. now how to explain how to do it. well I can't I guess cuz like you I'm still here. wait, no I only THINK I am here. There's a clue right there.
Meditation shows me the door, by meditation I mean stillness of the mind. I feel as though one of these times I'm just going to go through and never return. When I release my mind from patterns of thought, beliefs, and passions I find that all is one Infinite nothing and am inclined to stay there, but I get this sense that I am to do something HERE, so I return FOR "NOW"
I guess the answer is JUST LET IT GO.

thanx for that SEER!
much appreciated i understand evreything your saying and im listening for sure ,
it is such a shame mind due that we are soo attached to this world and rely on it so ,
i have had this very deep feeling for the last year or so that i am suppose to be doin something much greater with my life an i feel that as we close in on 2012 i must follow that dream and slowly dettach myself from materialism and help to awaken people , but one thing i must add to the concept is that the youth of today do not care for anything accept themselves and prefer to run a muck an not take responsibility for any actions ,
i beleive this is because we (generation Y) have been born in the era of INFORMATION (knowledge) ,
never before in the history of the earth/man have we had such access to any information, like we can now ,infinite information right a my fingertips .
just the fact that im sitting at work with my laptop dicussing this with people from all around the earth is amazing and it is definatly for a reason .
i guess too i am taking a great interest in this because i am possibly about to inject alot of money into this business that im managing , but i dont want to waste the last journey of our ascension worying myself about business and 'money' an maybe that i sould use that money to travel and educate people of the changes we are to experience an not too fear iit etc...
Sooo if anyone has any advice or WISDOM for this youngster it would be much appreciated ,
thanx peace :)

[seer74]

2012 will certainly the end for some, but not for all. It is certainly not the closing of the prison doors, however.

In 2012, our intuition and our consciousness will "teleport" (for lack of a better word) those of us prepared to a higher (and better, which goes without saying) plane of existence where we will be safe from the Earth changes that will take place on this current vibration.

If you are worried that you won't "make it" please do not fear. There is a reason you are here, reading this. There is a reason you have awoken to the truth of things and have actively sought out information regarding said truth. Remember, Frank Herbert said it best: "Fear is the mind killer." Oh how true this is.

A previous poster (forgive me for not remembering your name, I am new to this forum) said that some of us will "lose our minds" in 2012. This is quite true, both figuratively and literally. Those ready to ascend will indeed "lose" our 3-dimensional minds that are wired to be a machine soley based upon its need to be "right" rather than to survive. We will become 100% "in tune" with our intuition. Those who are not ready, though, will appear to be going insane, or losing their minds, because they cannot withstand the rise of their intuition, due to how beaten and buried it has become by a lifetime of mental abuse by the nefarious people in charge. But just as Rome fell during the National underworld/cycle due to an awakening and shift in consciousness, so will our present day Rome fall during this Galactic underworld/cycle. History does, indeed, repeat itself.

It is our job, those of us who grasp and understand this knowledge, to take it and share it with as many people as possible. This was Ian Xel Lungold's final message before his passing.


Peace and love.

I don't think that 2012 is the closeing of the prison doors FOR ALL - just for those not ready for it. I'm pretty sure that the NWO will have its way with regarsd to chipping people by then, and I really don't see how once you've been chipped your going to be able ascend anymore.

[kblood]

I don't think that 2012 is the closeing of the prison doors FOR ALL - just for those not ready for it. I'm pretty sure that the NWO will have its way with regarsd to chipping people by then, and I really don't see how once you've been chipped your going to be able ascend anymore.

It is a silly little chip... it cannot lock the evolution of our souls forever. It will probably be quite useless against us within a few years that chip. I am quite certain those chips are overrated.

[lifeofbrian]

I don't think that 2012 is the closeing of the prison doors FOR ALL - just for those not ready for it. I'm pretty sure that the NWO will have its way with regarsd to chipping people by then, and I really don't see how once you've been chipped your going to be able ascend anymore.

No, there will be a window in time open between 2012-2017, from the "dead" Earth to the "living". Many people who are already chipped through vaccinations will still be able to ascend during that time. People need to sort themselves out soon though. Get their shit in order.

For those of you on the rapid spiritual path, check out:

http://www.azuritepress.com/New%20Comers/welcome.html

(bookmark the thread, get back to it later if you feel tired right now)

[seer74]

No, there will be a window in time open between 2012-2017, from the "dead" Earth to the "living". Many people who are already chipped through vaccinations will still be able to ascend during that time. People need to sort themselves out soon though. Get their shit in order.

For those of you on the rapid spiritual path, check out:

http://www.azuritepress.com/New%20Comers/welcome.html

(bookmark the thread, get back to it later if you feel tired right now)

i don't care what some anybody says about times for ascension, the only time for ascension is when you do it (its a non-temporal event anyway), and its most likely by 2012 you'd better be outta here. yes many are already chipped, and if they ascend before the "beast" as the machine is called is turned on these chips won't matter, most likely they will turn it on in december of 2012 after that if your chipped (and they'll be makeing it VERY hard not to get chipped between now and 2012) you forget ALL about ascension, if that is you ever even thought of it in the first place.

[3rdeye]

It is a silly little chip... it cannot lock the evolution of our souls forever. It will probably be quite useless against us within a few years that chip. I am quite certain those chips are overrated.

good point there dude , but are you really willling to risk the possibility of it?
since ive heard of all this chip business it makes me think alot of religon in the way they have successfully 'weakened/dulled' the lower chakra's of their beleivers (e.g. no sex for fun)
, and im pretty sure we can assume that in ASCENSION it is neccessary to have all 7 chakra's completely active (IM SURE 'SEER' WILL CLEAN THIS UP IF IM INCORRECT LOL).
now to my point , whos to say these chips arent designed to block or dissactivate 1 or even several chakra's with miniature spells or chemicals for that matter .
well i ask myself what else do they know that that dont want us to know ,and it is only when you ask yourself that ,that it all starts falling together ...

"when they tell you to jump ,will you jump ? or will you say fuck off, fuck you, fuck your manipulation and mind games im not your puppet , i LIVE to experience LIFE not to suit your agenda , i am not a work horse . and would you mind taking the rubbish out with you when you leave ???? thank you ;)
peace

[seer74]

good point there dude , but are you really willling to risk the possibility of it?
since ive heard of all this chip business it makes me think alot of religon in the way they have successfully 'weakened/dulled' the lower chakra's of their beleivers (e.g. no sex for fun)
, and im pretty sure we can assume that in ASCENSION it is neccessary to have all 7 chakra's completely active (IM SURE 'SEER' WILL CLEAN THIS UP IF IM INCORRECT LOL).
now to my point , whos to say these chips arent designed to block or dissactivate 1 or even several chakra's with miniature spells or chemicals for that matter .
well i ask myself what else do they know that that dont want us to know ,and it is only when you ask yourself that ,that it all starts falling together ...

"when they tell you to jump ,will you jump ? or will you say fuck off, fuck you, fuck your manipulation and mind games im not your puppet , i LIVE to experience LIFE not to suit your agenda , i am not a work horse . and would you mind taking the rubbish out with you when you leave ???? thank you ;)
peace

I'm right with you here. Another thought in my mind is this, contrary to what some people may think ascension is NOT something that's going to just happen to you. You must want it - I am sure of this. And that a chipped person will be SO programmed that they will only want what the programmers want them to want. Even now, without the chip, so many people only want what they are programmed to want - how much more so for someone who is chipped and plugged in?

[singlespirit_1]

it won't be the end of the world, but a transition to new level of existence, new dimensions. all life evolves, hence dimensions/spirits will evolve also.

its a positive thing, henec the scramble by the elite to stop us. they cannot control cosmic movemnets, eg the shift of our galaxy to the galactic centre.

they can however curtail our development,
by keeping us prisoners of fear,
embroiled in war,
operating in the reptile core.

this info should give impetus, motivation to know we are in tune with the cosmic movement and will move forward together, they are losing control,

we have the power, but do we have the courage/compassion ?

Well spoken Synergy

Life is energy and never dies- spirit is energy and never dies- transition is a way of life. We simply move from one plane of existence to another. I had a book that spoke of these transitions - it mapped out the ages of transformation and when each would occur. Sorry I do not remember the name but I found it very straight forward and from what my spirit felt - very accurate. I do remember passages relating to a universal energy shift and change of global conscienceness beginning around 2001 and finalize around 2013. Each centered around a 12 year cycle.
If anyone knows the name of this book - id love to find another copy.

[seer74]

Well spoken Synergy

Life is energy and never dies- spirit is energy and never dies- transition is a way of life. We simply move from one plane of existence to another. I had a book that spoke of these transitions - it mapped out the ages of transformation and when each would occur. Sorry I do not remember the name but I found it very straight forward and from what my spirit felt - very accurate. I do remember passages relating to a universal energy shift and change of global conscienceness beginning around 2001 and finalize around 2013. Each centered around a 12 year cycle.
If anyone knows the name of this book - id love to find another copy.

I see right now as the opportunity to get out of this prison frequency. I believe that from 2001 to 2012 the doors are blasting wide open letting out of this negative dimension, actually that part of my view i am certain of.

I also believe however that after that those who are not ready will find 2013 begins another transformation, in which the game in this dimension will start over, leaving them back at square one.

[godfather]

Im thinkin the reason why the Mayan calender ended at 2012 is maybe because they foresaw something that would make it impossible of the calender to be accurate beyond then.

I dont think it will be the end of the world but it could be the end of time..and we'll have to come up with a new way maybe something comin into our orbit will change our time of day i dunno just a theory im trying to spin here...i dont believe the mayans simply ran out of numbers to count.

[2013]

wether they were right or wrong is another matter, but the Mayan belief was very much that 2012 was the END. the mayans believed that the earth went through a seiries of cycles called "suns". they believed they were liveing in the 5th of these cycles, projected to end on 2012. They believed that the "5th Sun" was the LAST cycle of life on Earth.

Long ago the Anunaki calculated how how long it would take to make the psychic prison that is the world we live in inescapable. they determined that by 2012 the prison would be complete, and the return to complete spiritual awareness would be forever beyond our grasp. this is why they want you to think that in 2012 the Great Awakening will come upon us all, so you wait for that until its too late and we are all trapped in illusion forever.

all the while you could be waking up at any time. the door to ascension is always and has always been open. we just have to go through it - and BEFORE 2012 hits. this has been revealed to me in the Akashic Record.
Hi from your awereness of the akashic what do you think will occur both for those who go ahead and those who are trapped, as you say in 1st post that the 5th sun is the last cycle of life on earth and then say that the prison will be complete by 2012.I agree with the time is always now so we can move on up inwards whenever we want ,just curious to know what you think both sides of the " reality" will be like then . :D

[3rdeye]

Im thinkin the reason why the Mayan calender ended at 2012 is maybe because they foresaw something that would make it impossible of the calender to be accurate beyond then.

I dont think it will be the end of the world but it could be the end of time..and we'll have to come up with a new way maybe something comin into our orbit will change our time of day i dunno just a theory im trying to spin here...i dont believe the mayans simply ran out of numbers to count.

hey ,
not a bad point to discusss because im not too sure if you are aware of this but our litle solarsystem has been cruisin around the outside or the milkyway for quite sometime now and in the next few years we are due to drop back in , so to speak anyway but its a fact ,
so you might not be too far off but ya never know we might become part of another solarsystem soon and ya never know maybe a new sun ??? new sun cycle ???
im trying to think of the website which told me of such happennings but have a look around google for the milkyway galaxy and our current position on the side of it .....
this is why the milkyway looks to be on a 45 degree angle in our sky ,beacause yeah we have been floating around the boudaries on a funny angle .

its also worth takign into account that on dec 2012 the galactic winter solstice will also be taking place .... this could all have something to do with the mayan calander ending , as one of these galactic solstices take something like 175,000 years or there near of to complete and that amount of time is the same that scientists over the years have estimated that the polarity shift on earth takes to complete ,
if your not familiar with what a polarity shift is it is when the magnetic north turns into east, east becomes south , south becomes west etc. althoughy on the contrare i heard it was spose to be 180 degree polarity shift but i beg to differ , for recently i was on the nasa website on its was goin on about the latest cycle on sunspots/flares of gas and how it reacted with some of the planets , they watched urananus's polarity shift happen about 6 months ago .
so i wonder to myself are the sun flare/cycles goin to just get more & more extreme untill each planet in our solarsystem has been "knocked over" on its axis ???

but yeah thats just a bit of info to throw in the lime works anyways :)
thanx & peace

[2013]

Have posted on this before the sagittarius dwarf galaxy is our true galactic home apparently we are due as you say to shift back into it so this is probably the big change coming as we realign with our natural home and we will shift internally with it as well .A new sun the stars will fall fom the skies as they have before .There are written records of the sun remaining in the sky for a whole 24 hours while on the other side of the planet it was 24 hour darkness .An ancient hebrew tribe used this to win a battle . Again if i find a link ill post it , new hard drive didnt back up old one fully .:D
hey ,
not a bad point to discusss because im not too sure if you are aware of this but our litle solarsystem has been cruisin around the outside or the milkyway for quite sometime now and in the next few years we are due to drop back in , so to speak anyway but its a fact ,
so you might not be too far off but ya never know we might become part of another solarsystem soon and ya never know maybe a new sun ??? new sun cycle ???
im trying to think of the website which told me of such happennings but have a look around google for the milkyway galaxy and our current position on the side of it .....
this is why the milkyway looks to be on a 45 degree angle in our sky ,beacause yeah we have been floating around the boudaries on a funny angle .

its also worth takign into account that on dec 2012 the galactic winter solstice will also be taking place .... this could all have something to do with the mayan calander ending , as one of these galactic solstices take something like 175,000 years or there near of to complete and that amount of time is the same that scientists over the years have estimated that the polarity shift on earth takes to complete ,
if your not familiar with what a polarity shift is it is when the magnetic north turns into east, east becomes south , south becomes west etc. althoughy on the contrare i heard it was spose to be 180 degree polarity shift but i beg to differ , for recently i was on the nasa website on its was goin on about the latest cycle on sunspots/flares of gas and how it reacted with some of the planets , they watched urananus's polarity shift happen about 6 months ago .
so i wonder to myself are the sun flare/cycles goin to just get more & more extreme untill each planet in our solarsystem has been "knocked over" on its axis ???

but yeah thats just a bit of info to throw in the lime works anyways :)
thanx & peace

[2013]

Maybe this is where the light and dark merge the end game god and the devil cards on the table time the skeksi's and the mystics merging ?:D
http://www.disclose.tv/viewvideo/956..._Two_Galaxies/
Read ful larticle heres just a small part
DISCOVERY OF NOVEMBER 30th 2006: The real reasons for both global warming and the ending of the Mayan calendar in 2012. We are part of a smaller galaxy that the Milky Way has put the 'come hither' on and we are just now coming down even with and going to actually turn and join with the spinning whirlpool Milky Way disc after some 2 billion years of circling around it at a near right angle as part of our parent galaxy called the Sagittarius Dwarf.

This grand turning is also the root cause for the discontinuation of the Mayan calendar (the most accurate on the planet) because the 'read-point' of the Pleiades star cluster from Earth the calendar was based upon could no longer be a constant as we begin to steer away from the earlier chart-ably predictable movement. This is a third discovery made 5 months after the first two, and possibly gives 2012 ancient prophesy issues a somewhat different perspective and footing.

The new understanding is that we (as a solar system) were not ever directly a part of the Milky Way.

[ichi wa zen]

Ive read a prophecy by the Uban Wuntoes that the entire world would end in 2006.

I also read a prophecy by the Jehovas that the world would end in 1999.

I also read a prophecy by the scientists that our world would end in 2000.

I also read a prophecy by Don Johnson that the world would end in 2004.

I also read a prophecy by Nostradamus that the world would end in 3114.

I also read a prophecy by the dinosaurs that the world would end in 65.000.000 B.C.

I also read a prophecy by the Hocus Pocus clan from Utah that the world would end in 1978.

Who really knows!?!?!!?!? You live in fear, exactly what "they" want.......

[2013]

It never ends just phases things change cycles turning spiralling galaxies
:D

[Jane643]

Complete 13-baktun Cycle Long Count Proleptic Gregorian Calendar Date

0.0.0.0.0 August 11, 3114 BCE
1.0.0.0.0 November 13, 2720 BCE
2.0.0.0.0 February 16, 2325 BCE
3.0.0.0.0 May 21, 1931 BCE
4.0.0.0.0 August 23, 1537 BCE
5.0.0.0.0 November 26, 1143 BCE
6.0.0.0.0 February 28, 748 BCE
7.0.0.0.0 June 3, 354 BCE
8.0.0.0.0 September 5, 41 CE
9.0.0.0.0 December 9, 435 CE
10.0.0.0.0 March 13, 830 CE
11.0.0.0.0 June 15, 1224 CE
12.0.0.0.0 September 18, 1618 CE
13.0.0.0.0 December 21, 2012 CE

Then the earth rebirth? The time loop.
Who will survive, it will return to August 11, 3114 BCE.
I had a vision of this.
If you go to thread News behind the news and look at post 1181- it is the end of satanic witchcraft not us

[seer74]

i seemed to me the original post was that the mayan prophecy was of the end of the world, not that the prophecy was true...

[seer74]

Hi from your awereness of the akashic what do you think will occur both for those who go ahead and those who are trapped, as you say in 1st post that the 5th sun is the last cycle of life on earth and then say that the prison will be complete by 2012.I agree with the time is always now so we can move on up inwards whenever we want ,just curious to know what you think both sides of the " reality" will be like then . :D

indescribable

[seer74]

Maybe this is where the light and dark merge the end game god and the devil cards on the table time the skeksi's and the mystics merging ?:D


mmmm sort of....

[3rdeye]

Ive read a prophecy by the Uban Wuntoes that the entire world would end in 2006.

I also read a prophecy by the Jehovas that the world would end in 1999.

I also read a prophecy by the scientists that our world would end in 2000.

I also read a prophecy by Don Johnson that the world would end in 2004.

I also read a prophecy by Nostradamus that the world would end in 3114.

I also read a prophecy by the dinosaurs that the world would end in 65.000.000 B.C.

I also read a prophecy by the Hocus Pocus clan from Utah that the world would end in 1978.

Who really knows!?!?!!?!? You live in fear, exactly what "they" want.......

hah nice view, but i agree with seer we are not here to discuss the validility of the prophecy,
and im not actually sure it is a prophecy i like to think of it more as an awakening , most of your prophecies sound like profecies with bugger all proof to go with it , where as our current situation appears to pretty much make most of history make sense to me ,
FEAR i am far from it thanx but it can be fun ;) ,but i do beleive IGNORANCE is very good at fulsefying FREEDOM .
who do YOU mean when you refer to 'THEM'.

peace ;)

[2013]

mmmm sort of....

before i had a pc i read an magazine article about hypnotists regressing people and someone asked why they couldnt progress people forward as time wasnt just about going what we percieve to be backwards .When the y did the experiment , and the people involved where from many different backgrounds and belief systems including non at all , they all seemed to end up in a dream like state or white light when they got to 2012 and beyond .If anyone has got a link to the article would be good to read again thanks :D

[ichi wa zen]

hah nice view, but i agree with seer we are not here to discuss the validility of the prophecy,
and im not actually sure it is a prophecy i like to think of it more as an awakening , most of your prophecies sound like profecies with bugger all proof to go with it , where as our current situation appears to pretty much make most of history make sense to me ,
FEAR i am far from it thanx but it can be fun ;) ,but i do beleive IGNORANCE is very good at fulsefying FREEDOM .
who do YOU mean when you refer to 'THEM'.

peace ;)

"They" are the guys and girls who are supressing knowledge from us, the guys and girls who made this "conspiracy forum" a reality. You know, those BAD GUYS!

[edit] i forgot about THE BAD GIRLS, im sorry ladies :(

[3rdeye]

"They" are the guys and girls who are supressing knowledge from us, the guys and girls who made this "conspiracy forum" a reality. You know, those BAD GUYS!

[edit] i forgot about THE BAD GIRLS, im sorry ladies :(

yeah ok just checkin, i like to think of "they" as those who pull the strings ,or as you noted the ones who are hiding the strings.
since you seem quite interseted in this knowledge pyramid type thing you might be able to help me answer a riddle im trying to solve ?? ok how come these same bad guys that are supressing this knowledge have been slowly letting humanity (the populas) into there top regions of this knowledge pyramid in the last 200 years ??? for example electricity,vehicles,microwave ovens etc...
is it merely to make the population so incredibly dependent on these guys so once they are eventually exposed, the population who beleive they need them for survival would merely turn a blind eye and carry on living in there make beleive candy land.
or could it be that they just let us get too smart for our own good ???
and hey im not a hater but i have to say something about the masssive contradiction from the last post ....
i bleive it went something like this :

"they" are the bad guys who have been supressing this knowledge........ and followed by meditation is the key to enlightenment,away with KNOWLEDGE , dont get me wrong bro im not knocking you just hipocrissy cracks me up ;)

just to add the other night whilst meditating i ended up havin this vision/dream that not only was i channeling my energy of love to the world but a spirit of a swordsman
appeared and for some reason i knew it was mine an that i could use him to fight the demon spirits attached to those who have used their lives for nothing but greed, power and spilling the blood of innnocent people .
weird huh but i thought i should share .:)
thanx

[seer74]

yeah ok just checkin, i like to think of "they" as those who pull the strings ,or as you noted the ones who are hiding the strings.
since you seem quite interseted in this knowledge pyramid type thing you might be able to help me answer a riddle im trying to solve ?? ok how come these same bad guys that are supressing this knowledge have been slowly letting humanity (the populas) into there top regions of this knowledge pyramid in the last 200 years ??? for example electricity,vehicles,microwave ovens etc... is it merely to make the population so incredibly dependent on these guys so once they are eventually exposed, the population who beleive they need them for survival would merely turn a blind eye and carry on living in there make beleive candy land.
or could it be that they just let us get too smart for our own good ???
and hey im not a hater but i have to say something about the masssive contradiction from the last post ....
i bleive it went something like this :

"they" are the bad guys who have been supressing this knowledge........ and followed by meditation is the key to enlightenment,away with KNOWLEDGE , dont get me wrong bro im not knocking you just hipocrissy cracks me up ;)

just to add the other night whilst meditating i ended up havin this vision/dream that not only was i channeling my energy of love to the world but a spirit of a swordsman
appeared and for some reason i knew it was mine an that i could use him to fight the demon spirits attached to those who have used their lives for nothing but greed, power and spilling the blood of innnocent people .
weird huh but i thought i should share .:)
thanx

it seems to me what they have done is supress knowledge we would use against them and ration out that knowledge that we would use in ways that serve or at the least not threaten them. as the human race has become more and more thoroughly conditioned more and more advanced technologys have been bestowed upon us as we become trained to use it in the ways that they want us to.

[seer74]

and microwave ovens and electricity are NOWHERE NEAR the top level of knowledge!

[3rdeye]

and microwave ovens and electricity are NOWHERE NEAR the top level of knowledge!

no doubt man,
ive only started my knowledge quest an it does seem to take quite a long time trying to sort through the endless quobble of lies told all over the place , but ya do have to admit our technology is some pretty alien shit , take anything like a cellphone back 100 years and they would probly think you were GOD ,

does anyone have any more good NEW mayan2012 links or referals to share??? swear i keep reading the same things

[3rdeye]

i also like the saying that how you can have as much knowldge in the world but untill you use that knowledge does it become wisdom ,
unfortunatly when someone has been programmed with knowledge (regardless of credibility), they then tend to treat it like its 100% truth and try to thow it down everyones throats , fornunatly though not everyone can swallow bullshit and alot of it ends up back on the table !!

im starting to go on a theory too (despite how contradictive to unconditional love it may be ) that possibly in the leading years to 2012 those who are caring/loving enough will find out the truth for them selves ,for it is up to us to seek if we wish to find ,
and those who seek nothing but hate shal find it and tase its fury .

just another though courtesy of Philatio ;)

[daria]

ECETI news sent me this email.

Dear All,

IMPORTANT

Project Camelot has just received a communication from a Norwegian
politician about that country's preparations for a future catastrophe -
the details of which are known at the highest levels of government.

We immediately exchanged further e-mails with this person to verify
identity and check facts. What we have published here may be the most
extraordinary and potentially important single message we have ever
received.

http://projectcamelot.org/norway.html

[ichi wa zen]

@3rdeye, "they" give us microwaves, pink diamondstudded cellphones and multivitamines orange juice to give us the impression that we as a people are making "progress".

About my signature and post contradicting one another. They kept the knowledge from us that the Truth is within and can be reached by meditating. See, once you know/realize that meditation leads to infinite knowledge and that experience is the only path, you can do away with knowledge unless ofcourse if you want to win on Jeopardy ;)

So you only need to know that infinite knowledge is within us and can be found through meditating, then away with knowledge of the creation i say!

Away with books, you are your own greatest teacher! I do like Hustler Magazine and Penthouse though and i treasure them deeply.

[mari]

does anyone have any more good NEW mayan2012 links or referals to share??? swear i keep reading the same things

Try this article from the Tom Kenyon site. Its one of the channellings from the higher conciousness that is known as 'The Hathors'

[URL="http://http://tomkenyon.com/transcend-and-transform-your-world/

he article is called 'Transcend and Transform Your World' If it does'nt take you straight there, then click on 'The Hathors' on the left hand side, & from the drop-dowm menu, select 'recent message'

[serpentoffire]

This site look very informative about this topic:

http://www.greatdreams.com/2012.htm

[3rdeye]

hey ,
thanx for the links ,very informative :)
the article about the norwegian politician is great , it sounds like something out of a sci-fi but no doubt its probably true , would also explain the masive ammounts of underground bases in America and god knows where else.
cant help but think tho that if i was goin to hide from a massive flood i sure as hell would be digging a hole in the ground ,would anyone think that being higher up would make more sense ?? esspecially so it would be possible to watch the power of earth unfold .
also according to some sources there is supposed to be alot of earthquakes,eruptions,syclones etc... and that further points to my question ..why build underground ?????
i know that my place of plan B on years to come will definiatly be on top a decently sized mountain , probably about time to start stocking up on weaponary too , if what i read were true about the military to be sent to wipe out any existing civilians above ground level ...honeslty wouldnt suprise me the least ,especially if they can sit there and watch millions of people drown ..HEY fuck it whats another million slaughtered gonna count ?????

i know if my time comes i have no problem fighting for the truth to be told , seems all most people do who when they up fighting is fight for the truth to be hidden under more political bullshit .
EVERY human on this earth does have the right to know the truth regardless of wether or not i beleive they deserve to be saved . maybe thats it ?? those who are pure in hearth and soul will flight for they are the ones who care for thy neighbor/humantiy and those who dwell in hatred are too blinded by it to open there eyes to the thought of worldwide unconditional LOVE
so i guess it is up to us to help those who have been blinded and made victim by manipulation for soo long ..wake them up before they drown!!!

peace :)

[3rdeye]

@3rdeye, "they" give us microwaves, pink diamondstudded cellphones and multivitamines orange juice to give us the impression that we as a people are making "progress".

About my signature and post contradicting one another. They kept the knowledge from us that the Truth is within and can be reached by meditating. See, once you know/realize that meditation leads to infinite knowledge and that experience is the only path, you can do away with knowledge unless ofcourse if you want to win on Jeopardy ;)

So you only need to know that infinite knowledge is within us and can be found through meditating, then away with knowledge of the creation i say!

Away with books, you are your own greatest teacher! I do like Hustler Magazine and Penthouse though and i treasure them deeply.

hey ,
that makes alot of sense ,feels like from birth we all have had our brains overloaded with uselsss inromation/knowledge ,
is it possible though that we all meditate on seperate wave lenegths on different frequencies? beacuase how you say mediation leads to infinate knowledge i cant relate , as when i meditate it seems to be more for the stillness of the mind for me ,being as one, with everything, at once.
i dunno maybe its just that im still progressing ,which would make sence really because everytime i meditate i swear it gets more intense, an by intense i mean like the feeling/tingling up my spine and sometime feeling like im backfliping , i also gets thes tingles sometimes when i hear or read something that makes alot of sense/truth almost like an instinct that cant lie to me lol

[3rdeye]

i think they should change the name of this forum to ''mayan prophecy forecast for the end of the OLD world ''

i really dont like it when "end of the world" is used the ''world'' will always here, well untill our sun expands then eventually explodes swallowing everything in sight. its humanity that were worried about, well when i say we i mean me lol

i dont really like the word 'prohpecy' either seems it has as much dogma attached to it as the world 'conspiracy'

just another thought :)
peace

[ichi wa zen]

@3rdeye

Do you not feel you know everything there is to know when meditating? Just to sit there sitting is knowing all that one needs to know. What more do you need to know?

Can a person ever really attain such a thing as "infinite knowledge" while our lives are finite?

We should know that we really dont know. We dont have a clue really :D

And yes i do feel these forums exist to:

1) put fear in a person who is looking for the truth
2) make those searching get lost in the 10.000 conspiracy theories
3) to spread more theories and disinfo
4) and ofcourse to monitor us a little

But not all of us are trapped! :p

[johnnyhouse]

I had a dream about magma flowing up from the ground once, and I was the only person in my family expecting it....was very scary more scary than a worse nightmare....

[3rdeye]

@3rdeye

Do you not feel you know everything there is to know when meditating? Just to sit there sitting is knowing all that one needs to know. What more do you need to know?

Can a person ever really attain such a thing as "infinite knowledge" while our lives are finite?

We should know that we really dont know. We dont have a clue really :D

And yes i do feel these forums exist to:

1) put fear in a person who is looking for the truth
2) make those searching get lost in the 10.000 conspiracy theories
3) to spread more theories and disinfo
4) and ofcourse to monitor us a little

But not all of us are trapped! :p

@ichy ..
truthly no i do not feel i know all there is to need to know ...
as for infinate knowledge i think you are automaticly putting up a mental block by assuming knowledge to be infinate ....... proggressive maybe but not infinate ..

1) the fear you feel is the truth .. it is put before us to move through it
2)9,999 of those conspiracies are probably true
3)mm i love theories
4)mmm i hope they are "monitoring" me :) hehe just so they know how much i know and if they knew what was good for them they'd watch themselves .

and secondly i do not beleive our lives are finite .. maybe the bodies we have travelled this dimension with will deminish but i know i will still attain more knowledge after myt so called "death"..
lol

[conspiraca]

Its nothing more than the end of an ancient calendar...........good Lord.

[3rdeye]

Its nothing more than the end of an ancient calendar...........good Lord.

so some people keep saying anyway :)
persoanlly i KNOW it to be much more ... and if your knowledge quest has not lead you there well im guessing you were not meant to know ;)

[conspiraca]

so some people keep saying anyway :)
persoanlly i KNOW it to be much more ... and if your knowledge quest has not lead you there well im guessing you were not meant to know ;)

There is nothing to lead too....its just another fallacy that like Y2K and others that will never happen.

[zen_fox]

2012 will be an end of time, the culmination of a changes being brought to infinite potential after which new beings will emerge with a better understanding of their own nature and place within the universe. It will be the transition in to an era of peace few can imagine, a giant evolutionary step into a new form.

[3rdeye]

There is nothing to lead too....its just another fallacy that like Y2K and others that will never happen.

i never eleived in y2k and beleive it was there to discredit 2012..
what do you mean there is nothing to lead to ???
have you actually researched it much or just watched something on "TV" (LMAO) or something ???haha
highly suggest you research IAN Xel Lungold., umm dont you listen to D.I??????this is his website iof you didnt know ...

some thing else id like to throw in your court...

did you know that in 2012 we will be enetering a part of the milky way that we have not been in in over 36000 years ???all of the solar systems in the galaxy and to line up i beleive they call it the solctic? or equinox
?? something lkike that anyway .. alot of scientists beleive there will be major sun activity and off the meter sunflares! and if you knew anything about it you would know that the seasons on earth are all controlled by the sun and its flares ....
im not gonna sit here quoting trying to convince you .... because i could ,
you will eventually figure it out for yourself ....

take NOT 1 "official" story seriously
the "officails" ARE the arseholes

BUT im sure that NOTHING will NOT happen ;)

[conspiraca]

Yeah right........you really believe that do you not?

[3rdeye]

2012 will be an end of time, the culmination of a changes being brought to infinite potential after which new beings will emerge with a better understanding of their own nature and place within the universe. It will be the transition in to an era of peace few can imagine, a giant evolutionary step into a new form.

thank god for this guy !! thats what im talking about ..
problem is not many can understand the concept of oneness .. to busy being mind controlled and playing fascist war games for money, greed an power ...
we are only seperated by our differences and from birth we are trained to let our differences come between us ...to be ignorant of anothers understanding ,


soon there will be only 1 super power LOVE :) and i cant fucking wait to say goodbye to hate !!

[3rdeye]

Yeah right........you really believe that do you not?

its not what i choose to beleive its what it is the truth ....i could sit here giving you a 20 different reasons why something WILL happen .. but it
sounds to me like you havent done much research....

lets say you have ???
what books have you read ? and what part of your research did you come to the assumption that nothing will happen ?

[krakhead]

its not what i choose to beleive its what it is the truth ....i could sit here giving you a 20 different reasons why something WILL happen .. but it
sounds to me like you havent done much research....

lets say you have ???
what books have you read ? and what part of your research did you come to the assumption that nothing will happen ?

YOUR truth maybe. What about all the other belief systems that other people present as the 'truth'? Why is yours so special (and DEFINITELY the correct one)?

[zen_fox]

I understand.

I love because I want to be loved. I believe in 2012 not because I have some magic crystal ball which can peer into the future but because there is evidence that massive cosmic changes are occurring and that I want to believe in it.

I want it to happen. I understand now how thoughts shape reality and am investing the energy of my thoughts into it. And if I'm wrong, so what? I'll have lived and loved from now until that point and afterwards. I'll keep living and loving at that moment. Because that's what I want. I want to feel good.

[zen_fox]

From what platform will one stand to view reality? Can the earth be viewed by standing on it? Whose eyes will be used to see?

Objective reality is only the measurement specific to whatever device is carted out to view it. Each being peers at it through a reality lens and believes firmly that what they see is the one and only objective truth. The scientific term for reality would be only what can be seen and measured and yet that's a failed philosophy since the dawn of thought itself.

One must be willing to go to the moon to see the Earth. But how can one leave reality to view it objectively? Reality will shift the moment a being attempts to leave it till that attempt becomes their reality. The shape of an individuals reality lens is formed by the thoughts they keep or their thoughtless being.

There is nothing stopping anyone from forming their own reality lens through awareness. There is evidence to support every theory and idea man has ever dreamt up. There is also evidence to refute it. The individual is determining at each moment what they wish to experience.

Instead the gatekeepers of the matrix all around, looking to linch anyone who veers from prescribed notions of the thoughts controlled. Anyone who sets out to prove that psychic powers are false does so with resounding success. Anyone who sets out to prove that psychic powers are true is also proven right.

Aristotle was wrong. The objective lens doesn't exist. The statement if A then B is the fundamental formula of logic in the western mind and is only right so much as it is wrong. There is the potentiality for all As to be Bs. There is the potential for one thing to be in many places at once and be also nowhere.

Believe what though will. Your though create your reality.

2012 will be a time of spontaneous evolution on earth due to massive energetic shifts. It will be a time of uplifting consciousness, the shift from primordial man to a new species of human beings.

[krakhead]

Believe what thought will. Your thoughts create your reality.

Spot. Fucking. On. (IMHO of course!) :)

[conspiraca]

its not what i choose to beleive its what it is the truth ....i could sit here giving you a 20 different reasons why something WILL happen .. but it
sounds to me like you havent done much research....

lets say you have ???
what books have you read ? and what part of your research did you come to the assumption that nothing will happen ?

Don't have too cause I do not believe it. That and you cannot give me one prediction that has came true resulting in the end of the world....if you have reasons then why have you not posted them to prove your point? Sorry but there as been 1000s of end time predictions that have not come true and my guess is this will be 1001 but you believe what you believe thats up to you but I do not have to buy into it.

[ultimate]

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Ay3xqrxp1fM&fmt=18

[3rdeye]

YOUR truth maybe. What about all the other belief systems that other people present as the 'truth'? Why is yours so special (and DEFINITELY the correct one)?


well 99% of mainstream truths are purely there for mind control .. its a well known fact that we have a feeling inside of us that we reserve for a higher being .. and most religions / beleifs pick up on that reserve and fill it with 2000 year old nonsense ...

difference is im not talking aboput a beleif system i am talking about the beleif that i have becase of the research i have done (over the last 3 years) and the direction that research has lead me ....after all , all we have is our perception. to identify similarities and differences by reflecting on what we have learnt in the past ...the perception i have created is upon being my highest possible conciousness , for the better of everyone .

i do not beleive in good/evil i beleive in levels of admiration .. high and low , just like people conciouss awareness has high levels and low levels .

truth is ,GOD is real ....but he is not as far from home as you may think ;)

if you dont like my truth i dont care , but if you dont have mine whos do you have ? the government truth ??? the local truth ?haha hahahaha sheeple are so silly ... they rely on their own truth and the FACT is most sheeple are soo fuckin egotistical they couldnt tell if their own ass stank ... or if their own government was a fraudistant guilty of 1000's of war crimes .

[3rdeye]

Don't have too cause I do not believe it. That and you cannot give me one prediction that has came true resulting in the end of the world....if you have reasons then why have you not posted them to prove your point? Sorry but there as been 1000s of end time predictions that have not come true and my guess is this will be 1001 but you believe what you believe thats up to you but I do not have to buy into it.

for fuck sake its not for telling the end of the world ... mannn its foretelling the end of the OLD world ..the one filled with hate and war and closed minded idots ..

why have i not posted them ??? i have not posted them at you because that energy i would waste on you could have opened 5 times the eyes you have .. i have posted many many many in this thread if you go back

im not trying to sell anything mate not one bit of my energy i spend everyday helping people comes back to me ... im doin it because i care .

100& of people that have been mind controlled are 100% sure that they have never been manipulated! - fact

[krakhead]

well 99% of mainstream truths are purely there for mind control .. its a well known fact that we have a feeling inside of us that we reserve for a higher being .. and most religions / beleifs pick up on that reserve and fill it with 2000 year old nonsense ...

difference is im not talking aboput a beleif system i am talking about the beleif that i have becase of the research i have done (over the last 3 years) and the direction that research has lead me ....after all , all we have is our perception. to identify similarities and differences by reflecting on what we have learnt in the past ...the perception i have created is upon being my highest possible conciousness , for the better of everyone .

i do not beleive in good/evil i beleive in levels of admiration .. high and low , just like people conciouss awareness has high levels and low levels .

truth is ,GOD is real ....but he is not as far from home as you may think ;)

if you dont like my truth i dont care , but if you dont have mine whos do you have ? the government truth ??? the local truth ?haha hahahaha sheeple are so silly ... they rely on their own truth and the FACT is most sheeple are soo fuckin egotistical they couldnt tell if their own ass stank ... or if their own government was a fraudistant guilty of 1000's of war crimes .

Well done you, 3 years of reading books and you know 'THE TRUTH', I've been reading along these lines for 20-odd years, and still don't consider myself able to say I have found anything near 'THE TRUTH' - kudos to you and your ego! ;) (oh hang on, you mean proper books, not skin mags! ;))

And I'm not trying to talk you out of your beliefs, but look around you, the VAST array of beliefs held by the human race that don't coincide with yours can't ALL be wrong can they?

All I'm asking is how do you KNOW, 100% that you have got ALL the facts, not just some, from which you have created an incomplete map? How do you KNOW that the model you have created of your universe is the right one?

What if you came across very reliable information tomorrow that completely contradicted your current belief system? Would you ignore it? Safe in the knowledge you have 'THE TRUTH', or would you concede that, like everyone else, you're always learning, always developing your POV to include new information and therefore can't possibly have 'THE TRUTH'?

[3rdeye]

Well done you, 3 years of reading books and you know 'THE TRUTH', I've been reading along these lines for 20-odd years, and still don't consider myself able to say I have found anything near 'THE TRUTH' - kudos to you and your ego! ;) (oh hang on, you mean proper books, not skin mags! ;))

And I'm not trying to talk you out of your beliefs, but look around you, the VAST array of beliefs held by the human race that don't coincide with yours can't ALL be wrong can they?

All I'm asking is how do you KNOW, 100% that you have got ALL the facts, not just some, from which you have created an incomplete map? How do you KNOW that the model you have created of your universe is the right one?

What if you came across very reliable information tomorrow that completely contradicted your current belief system? Would you ignore it? Safe in the knowledge you have 'THE TRUTH', or would you concede that, like everyone else, you're always learning, always developing your POV to include new information and therefore can't possibly have 'THE TRUTH'?

20 years and no truth ??? maybe your barking up the worng tree ?
i have only been here 21 years so im guessing your a bit older and have been "conditoned" for much longer ...

im looking around me and all i see are people being manipulated by the media /religion/banking systems/movies all of those controlled my the elite's ...

i do not know 100% that i have ALL of the facts right but i am 100% sure on 90% of my beleifs.... as far as your incomplete map theory goes i understand exactly what you mean but the truth is with my map... ALL of the dots match up ..... and you quite right i find information everyhalf an hour than contradicts my truths but thats why they call it truth seeking ...because its defintaly not easy ...

im not saying i have all the TRUTH... just most of it

p.swhy would you use krakhead as a name? keen on the old glass pipe mate???

[krakhead]

20 years and no truth ??? maybe your barking up the worng tree ?
i have only been here 21 years so im guessing your a bit older and have been "conditoned" for much longer ...

im looking around me and all i see are people being manipulated by the media /religion/banking systems/movies all of those controlled my the elite's ...

i do not know 100% that i have ALL of the facts right but i am 100% sure on 90% of my beleifs.... as far as your incomplete map theory goes i understand exactly what you mean but the truth is with my map... ALL of the dots match up ..... and you quite right i find information everyhalf an hour than contradicts my truths but thats why they call it truth seeking ...because its defintaly not easy ...

im not saying i have all the TRUTH... just most of it

p.swhy would you use krakhead as a name? keen on the old glass pipe mate???

21?! Oh the arrogance of youth! Lol! You have much to learn young Padawan! ;)

If you find new info every half hour that contradicts your 'truth' how can you be so sure that tomorrow won't bring information that completely destroys your current reality tunnel - therefore making your current claim to have even a small percentage of the 'truth' a complete nonsense?!

Also, do your math, over 20 years of reading/investigating/researching does NOT necessarily mean I was 'conditioned' longer or that you were 'conditioned' for less time.

"Who is the master who makes the grass green?"

[3rdeye]

21?! Oh the arrogance of youth! Lol! You have much to learn young Padawan! ;)

If you find new info every half hour that contradicts your 'truth' how can you be so sure that tomorrow won't bring information that completely destroys your current reality tunnel - therefore making your current claim to have even a small percentage of the 'truth' a complete nonsense?!

Also, do your math, over 20 years of reading/investigating/researching does NOT necessarily mean I was 'conditioned' longer or that you were 'conditioned' for less time.

"Who is the master who makes the grass green?"

how did i know you were goin to give me shit about being young .. ohhh the arrogance ... wells news flash im not arogant nor am i ignorant .if i were either i would definatley not sitting here discussing such views of the world .

being a part of society is the conditioning im talking of ...the small bubble that makes things ACCEPTABLE .. have you actually read david ickes books ????

your right though i do have much to learn ...much much more
and since your such a smart arse why dont you tell me your views/ beleifs?? and then when can decide how different we relly are ..after all im hear to learn and educate and what the point if were not doing either???

[loderlive]

Respect your elders 3rdeye!

[krakhead]

how did i know you were goin to give me shit about being young .. ohhh the arrogance ... wells news flash im not arogant nor am i ignorant .if i were either i would definatley not sitting here discussing such views of the world .

Because beneath the, "I know it all" BS, you really do understand that you will continue to learn, and you're not so sure as you like to make out.

being a part of society is the conditioning im talking of ...the small bubble that makes things ACCEPTABLE .. have you actually read david ickes books ????

Yes thank, and lots more besides. Your point being?

your right though i do have much to learn ...much much more
and since your such a smart arse why dont you tell me your views/ beleifs?? and then when can decide how different we relly are ..after all im hear to learn and educate and what the point if were not doing either???

Smart arse? Oh ego defence mechanisms kicking in here aren't they? Lol!
Ask me about something in particular and I will give you my current understanding of it. Although, why would you be interested if you already have most of it?

And I wasn't being arrogantly lofty in the fact that I am older than you (although my sense of humour will make me present it as such at times - I do apologise) I am just trying to make the point that you will come across LOTS of information in your life - how are you SO sure that what you have already come across IS correct?

I was a nightmare in my teens/early twenties - I'd read and read and read, I'd go to every lecture/talk I could get to, I'd join every discussion group I could find.

And every time I came across another piece of information that really made sense to me I'd respond the same way - I KNOW!! I have found the exclusive bit of information which has made MY view on the universe complete!!

As I've got older a lot of the ideas I used to hold dear have fallen by the wayside. But I was SO sure at the time.

I was trying to get you to understand this, but I know, when written down, without voice inflections and winks, my manner can appear abrasive and sarcastic. I'm not (quite) such a knob in 'real' life! ;)

But calm down with what you 'think' you 'know'!

And, back on topic, I personally feel that after 2012 has passed there will lots of people carrying on with their lives in pretty much the same way as they were before.

I feel there will continue to be a general 'awakening' amongst the world's population throughout this time though, where this will lead - I'm not sure. But I certainly try to maintain the idea that all will be OK in the end :)

Big softie that I am! ;)

[3rdeye]

Because beneath the, "I know it all" BS, you really do understand that you will continue to learn, and you're not so sure as you like to make out.

Smart arse? Oh ego defence mechanisms kicking in here aren't they? Lol!
Ask me about something in particular and I will give you my current understanding of it. Although, why would you be interested if you already have most of it?


And I wasn't being arrogantly lofty in the fact that I am older than you (although my sense of humour will make me present it as such at times - I do apologise) I am just trying to make the point that you will come across LOTS of information in your life - how are you SO sure that what you have already come across IS correct?



I was a nightmare in my teens/early twenties - I'd read and read and read, I'd go to every lecture/talk I could get to, I'd join every discussion group I could find.

And every time I came across another piece of information that really made sense to me I'd respond the same way - I KNOW!! I have found the exclusive bit of information which has made MY view on the universe complete!!

As I've got older a lot of the ideas I used to hold dear have fallen by the wayside. But I was SO sure at the time.


I was trying to get you to understand this, but I know, when written down, without voice inflections and winks, my manner can appear abrasive and sarcastic. I'm not (quite) such a knob in 'real' life! ;)


But calm down with what you 'think' you 'know'!

And, back on topic, I personally feel that after 2012 has passed there will lots of people carrying on with their lives in pretty much the same way as they were before.

i concur , but also feel there will be alot of people living how they never thought possible

I feel there will continue to be a general 'awakening' amongst the world's population throughout this time though, where this will lead - I'm not sure. But I certainly try to maintain the idea that all will be OK in the end :)



Big softie that I am! ;)
because , as i told you i am not arrrogant and do listen to ALL ideas , i just have a strong inner self which has impressive problem solving characteristics....
no you werent but by instantly descriminating me of my age you have given yourself the impression you must know more than me .... which is probably true but how would you know ?


i am SO sure bacause of my ability at problem solving ... a have almost a inner sence that doesnt and has never lied to me or let me down ,
1 year before even knowing of david icke (i was 18) or the illuminati or any of that i started writting a book called "religion, christianity and its affects of man " and trust me boy did it freak me out when i read my first icke book .. he had prety much touched on every subject i has reflected on in my book .. seriously though i felt like i had known all along and needed no proof to prove it ...because after all , all of the answers are out there just not many people can match them up ..

i have heard of this many times in the past are you sure that some of the information you found didnt make you feel uncomfortable living the way your living ???? so in turn the information gets put aside and number 1 proirity "life" living gets back on top ??? im not saying im just asking because i have seen it much before ,


of course ... i have been feeling this or the past year at least ,
we all TRY and i do hope that most will be ok only thing i fear is the HIGH possiblilty that it is the end of an earth cycle one of the MANY that the earth has seen what is your views on earth cycles???

[3rdeye]

Respect your elders 3rdeye!

sorry i forgot how easily you oldies get all wound up ;)

[duckingdafta]

is it worth reading this thread?... 10 pages and I don't want to go over loads of crap. has any conclusions and decent ideas come about yet? or has anyone actually worked out what the meaning on the calender is?

figured I might as well ask before offering

[3rdeye]

is it worth reading this thread?... 10 pages and I don't want to go over loads of crap. has any conclusions and decent ideas come about yet? or has anyone actually worked out what the meaning on the calender is?

figured I might as well ask before offering

haha no i suggest you go back many pages and i highly suggest you check out Ian Xel Lungold on youtube will answer many riddles on the calander he and his team worked for 7 years on the mayan temples themselves ... he is dead now but do not let that stop his research spreading :)

[duckingdafta]

haha no i suggest you go back many pages and i highly suggest you check out Ian Xel Lungold on youtube will answer many riddles on the calendar he and his team worked for 7 years on the mayan temples themselves ... he is dead now but do not let that stop his research spreading :)

Ian hasn't made anything I haven't already read/watched which is why I asked (to my knowledge).... thanks for reply. {I am a follower of this line of belief}
my only problem in my life is I never remember anything, just absorb it as a part of life;)

[harris999]

Kinda bored of all these prophecies and "OMG THE WORLDS GUNA END!" predictions. So many times ive heard it and so many times its never came true.

I dont think the world will end in 2012, no proof to say it will. Show me the proof and i will beleive, and when i say proof, i mean real proof not just some crap someone read in the bible :P

[jos08]

I'm starting to believe these prophesies, even though I'm quite logical. I just read the book of nostradamus, and I quote
The Antichrist will take Thursday as his day of reverence.
and I thought about how the Iraq war started in on Thursday. and then the next sentence is
There will be enormous warfare and bloodshed from his weapons

sorry if this is in the section

[free canada]

http://www.davidicke.com/forum/showthread.php?t=34364

[3rdeye]

Kinda bored of all these prophecies and "OMG THE WORLDS GUNA END!" predictions. So many times ive heard it and so many times its never came true.

I dont think the world will end in 2012, no proof to say it will. Show me the proof and i will beleive, and when i say proof, i mean real proof not just some crap someone read in the bible :P

lmao bible? who said anyhtring about a bible?? you will find many truths ..my truth for you, is that you'd probly rather not know ... go back to sleep ;)

[thirdwave]

haha no i suggest you go back many pages and i highly suggest you check out Ian Xel Lungold on youtube will answer many riddles on the calander he and his team worked for 7 years on the mayan temples themselves ... he is dead now but do not let that stop his research spreading :)

Ian is defo good to check out as he did study it very thoroughly....
the only thing is he made a few predictions based on the calender that have not exactly been fruitful.... so this is gona effect how allot of people take him in now...

That being said, we don't know what the secret military or government..NASA..so on... are doing with regards to technology and stuff.... so I guess we cant base judgement on what's hidden from us ... who knows..

[thirdwave]

Kinda bored of all these prophecies and "OMG THE WORLDS GUNA END!" predictions. So many times ive heard it and so many times its never came true.

I dont think the world will end in 2012, no proof to say it will. Show me the proof and i will beleive, and when i say proof, i mean real proof not just some crap someone read in the bible :P

End of the world?

for a start, apocalypse means "reviling" or "unveiling" it does not mean the end of the world...

I still am not sure where these end of the world prophesies have come from as the Mayans did not predict it.

The Mayan calender is based on conciousness.... Man kinds evolutionary cycles...

Now, there may be natural disasters in that time ..and war...so on.. as man kind become more and more desperate and chaotic....

but 2012 is not an end of the world date.... it is the end of a cycle date... and a start of a new one...

so by all means , sit down and wait for 2012 to pass by and then start telling everyone "the world is still here!!..see!! it was wrong" ... but you wont really be making much sense.

[lateral_v]

Agreed.
The End of the Eon (world) or Age. And/OR
Moving out of the Piscean age into the age of Aqauruis.

[marpat]

Complete 13-baktun Cycle Long Count Proleptic Gregorian Calendar Date

0.0.0.0.0 August 11, 3114 BCE
1.0.0.0.0 November 13, 2720 BCE
2.0.0.0.0 February 16, 2325 BCE
3.0.0.0.0 May 21, 1931 BCE
4.0.0.0.0 August 23, 1537 BCE
5.0.0.0.0 November 26, 1143 BCE
6.0.0.0.0 February 28, 748 BCE
7.0.0.0.0 June 3, 354 BCE
8.0.0.0.0 September 5, 41 CE
9.0.0.0.0 December 9, 435 CE
10.0.0.0.0 March 13, 830 CE
11.0.0.0.0 June 15, 1224 CE
12.0.0.0.0 September 18, 1618 CE
13.0.0.0.0 December 21, 2012 CE

Then the earth rebirth? The time loop.
Who will survive, it will return to August 11, 3114 BCE.
I had a vision of this.


But these dates are based on the assumption that the calendar start dates are correct. There are actually other version which differ in the start date so that the end date also differs.

I thought it was an error that the date falls on the 21/12/12. I thought it was supposed to be 12/12/12

[lyrag]

But...i dont want to die until im old :( so im going with the theory that we are moving into a new dimension and i will survive

[grannymoose]

the Mayan beliefs stated in a very clear and direct way that 2012 was the end. I'm not saying it is, but the Mayans WERE.
2012 is in reality the point by which the prison doors will be sealed.
the idea of an age of enlightenment coming around in 2012 is Illuminati trick to get you wait till you've been chipped and can't think anything but what they program you with.

that's a very good point.

So there's these Mayan's , Olmec Aztecs the cloud peoples, the Native Americans Indians, all living side by side for thousands of years before white man found them. all on a high spiritual level than us, all knowing that this planet is not for raping on a daily basis like we all do.
There are no prison doors in the 38 books i have read and the 4 years traveling to various sites around Mexico and the shamans i have spoken to, seeing these things with my own eyes and feeling the energies there.

These peoples knew and foretold every event that has been to date, you just have to look at there teachings. Read every future forecast most that were written and viewed Over 1600 years ago, then on top of that there are the Skulls.

We worry about micro chipping and worthless crap like that, you have no idea the only thing we should be worrying about is this planet that's dying beneath our very feet, It's you and me that will be forced to watch your very family die through ignorance.
Just look into the Hopi and the suiox teachings. the Olmec serpent prayers.

Do you know that President Bush went to the Maya Temples in 1997 and it wasn't a holiday visit, the upcoming slaughter of Americans that we are all reading about here and there maybe just maybe is a deal done that the lands will be given back to those it was taken! That's stated in the The Maya End Times by Patricia Mercier keeper of the crystal skull Ebmnagine.

They don't need to chip us or poison us they just have to keep us on this mind set track and the Earth will dispose of us accordingly,

That very land you sit upon as well as every other American was not given to you. It is not your birthright, you can only trace your grandfathers grandfather so far back, you are occupants on a land that was taken not given .do they not teach you that in school's there? it was taken, that land had owners. until the massacres upon the Native Americans. The Spanish Massacres upon the Mayas'. leaving them still to this date without voice or public opinions when it's theirs.

In order to ascend just change your mind set realize the only way forward is to go back to what we was before.
Stay on this path raping the planet. Envying your belongings and vehicles. envying thy self instead of the Mother Earth and there will be no ascending only rejection.
Start respecting this planet. start realizing that while your house is warm through the Gas that is pumped from the Planet ( raping ) is the wrong way, the way we all bitch and make ourselves better in order to impress the Jone's
is the wrong way.
Find the Real answer's inside you not on some screen or in some Book. It's not them against us it's us against us and not all of us doing what were supposed to be doing and that's respecting every thing around us.

[grannymoose]

Kinda bored of all these prophecies and "OMG THE WORLDS GUNA END!" predictions. So many times ive heard it and so many times its never came true.

I dont think the world will end in 2012, no proof to say it will. Show me the proof and i will beleive, and when i say proof, i mean real proof not just some crap someone read in the bible :P

Just read the Shamans Visions. All of them from all indigenous peoples of south and north America's. Forget what your friends say. read Learn and realize everything is coming to past the only thing giving you doubt and replying with answer's like that is your Ego.
Look into the Crystal Skulls and where they came from. Do the home work, then look around you and go with the first feeling you have, don't let yourself fall into ' it won't and can't happen'

[anahata]

In order to ascend just change your mind set realize the only way forward is to go back to what we were before.
Stay on this path raping the planet. Envying your belongings and vehicles. envying thy self instead of the Mother Earth and there will be no ascending only rejection.
Start respecting this planet. Find the Real answer's inside you not on some screen or in some Book. It's not them against us it's us against us and not all of us doing what were supposed to be doing and that's respecting every thing around us.


Exactly!

If our reality is a reflection of the combined group then we've manifested fear together. We seem satisfied with a world in which differences, not similarities are honoured and disagreements are settled by conflict.

As long as we’re not the ‘losers’ we're 'happy' with this system and so NOTHING CHANGES.
Most people laugh at the suggestion that another system could be in place saying that behaviours like competing and killing are what makes their civilization great(?!?!!), not REALLY caring about the suffering masses, oppression of minorities and survival needs of anyone but themselves and immediate families. The inability to experience the suffering of another as our own is what allows suffering to continue. So we’re pretty primitive aren’t we?!

The horror of the Hitler experience was not that he made us do what we did but that we allowed him to. Remember, millions thought he was ‘right’. If any good came out of the bastard it would be to show us what we are capable of, our lowest potential. Yet we ignore our past and carry on killing each other??!?!!!! Why? Because that’s all we’ve ever done and I think it’s time we grow up and get over all this bullshit. You’re ‘side’ all depends on the plot of land your mum gave birth to you on and the general belief system of your parents and or that plot of land.

Group consciousness is powerful, the choice is ours to seek to change the outcome and create beauty instead of ugliness.
Ignorance certainly isn’t bliss if people are fighting blindly. Yes people are fighting for the rights of others, but we’re never going to get anywhere together if we hold grudges of past generations and empower rulers who can see how easy we are to control. Look how easy it was for unnecessary shit to kick off in Germany. Scale down the problem and see where your priorities really lie. Are we really so obsessed with drama that war is our finest form of entertainment?

It begins with you.

Why don’t we try to save ourselves from our own stupidity instead of acting like a bunch of idiots?