Views on Smoking

[h1s_l0rdsh1p]

Now, of course it's not a healthy habit, and it's certainly expensive. But I'd like to know, how many people here smoke, what do you smoke(cigarette wise), and what your views on smoking are.

I usually smoke Zware shag (heavy/black rolling tobacco) or Camels.

And frankly, I know it's not good. But I don't care at this moment in life.

[limelady]

If you are a smoker, you may be interested in what I just posted on the thread titled "A question" in the health forum.

;)

[h1s_l0rdsh1p]

Don't worry. I read it. :)
You have a good point. And I don't smoke because IO'm stressed anymore. I smoke because I'm a complete asshole with a headache if I don't have my smokes. Like right now. I'm at work, and it's pure torture. I already bummed one smoke from a college, but shit! that was at like 9:30am, it's not 3:10pm. I'm like, fuckin dyin here. :(

[eternal_spirit]

Now, of course it's not a healthy habit, and it's certainly expensive. But I'd like to know, how many people here smoke, what do you smoke(cigarette wise), and what your views on smoking are.

I usually smoke Zware shag (heavy/black rolling tobacco) or Camels.

And frankly, I know it's not good. But I don't care at this moment in life.

Yes I smoke too much.....It's believed to be harder to stop smoking than taking any illegal hard drug(cocaine heroin) I believe this to be true.
It's mainly the nicotine that's addictive, but also the physical aspects of putting hand to mouth and breathing the smoke that is also addicitve.

Hand rolling tobacco, cigarettes(any) Marijuana mixed with cigarettes tastes best, it also helps me breath better! marijuana used to be an ingredient in cough medicenes so maybe that explains why my lungs feel cleaner.

I wouldn't advise anyone to start smoking, with all the health issues surrounding it. it's said the oldest man about 130 years old from china was a chain smoker:confused:

[h1s_l0rdsh1p]

Yes I smoke too much.....It's believed to be harder to stop smoking than taking any illegal hard drug(cocaine heroin) I believe this to be true.
It's mainly the nicotine that's addictive, but also the physical aspects of putting hand to mouth and breathing the smoke that is also addicitve.

Hand rolling tobacco, cigarettes(any) Marijuana mixed with cigarettes tastes best, it also helps me breath better! marijuana used to be an ingredient in cough medicenes so maybe that explains why my lungs feel cleaner.

I wouldn't advise anyone to start smoking, with all the health issues surrounding it. it's said the oldest man about 130 years old from china was a chain smoker:confused:
You're sooo fuckin right about how addictive it is. Infact, I just bummed a cig from another college.. I feel like the world has just been lifted off of my shoulders. I only smoked half of the cig because I don't have anything until I'm home, which might mot be until 8pm :(

But yeah. I don't suggest anyone to smoking either.
It is one of the most addictive things there is.

[eternal_spirit]

Us smokers are having a bad time at the moment, banning smoking in various public spaces, the main reason is passive smoking. I guess this is a good thing at work, may help the smokers to cut down or give up.

What about passive alcoholism? Drunk people inflicting violence on others.
I guess I'm a bit like an ex smoker( being an ex drinker) with a holier than thou attitude. I can understand why people drink and smoke to relax and socialise usually. *rolls another roll up* damn tobacco withouth marijuana is like toast without jam or butter!

[h1s_l0rdsh1p]

Us smokers are having a bad time at the moment, banning smoking in various public spaces, the main reason is passive smoking. I guess this is a good thing at work, may help the smokers to cut down or give up.

What about passive alcoholism? Drunk people inflicting violence on others.
I guess I'm a bit like an ex smoker( being an ex drinker) with a holier than thou attitude. I can understand why people drink and smoke to relax and socialise usually. *rolls another roll up* damn tobacco withouth marijuana is like toast without jam or butter!

That depends on the bread you're using, you know what I'm sayin. ;)

[lottie]

I smoke (roll-ups) white drum tobacco! Although im told its 'bad' for me- i dont give a monkeys!! I smoke because i want to and it is my right to do as i please- im sick to death of being told its bad for me and you are killing yourself- yes- i may well be 'killing myself' in YOUR opinion but that is my choice- i like smoking, i enjoy it, i want to smoke, we are all dying anyway so whats the big deal? I started nursing in October (quit in January) and i was constantly being told 'oh you should know better- you should be setting an example for the patients and collegues' the hospital on the isle of wight is now a smoke free zone on all the grounds(even outside) but they fail to refrain from selling fizzy drinks, sweets,crisps,cakes etc etc to help reduce the 'obesity trend' we have currently in the UK. The government feel the need to enforce laws on us regarding smoking but feel its less life threatening to sell alcohol and extend licencing hours in the UK- in my opinion- alcohol is more damaging than smoking and the social affects are quite damaging too- when you look at smoking pot (illegal) and drinking alcohol (legal) which does the most damage- yet its ok to drink ourselves into a stupa but not have a joint and relax? I am a strong believer in 'belief' and if you believe its 'bad' for your health- well then thats what you'll manifest, i on the other hand strongly believe that its rubbish and i know full well i shalln't be dying of lung cancer or emphasema because i dont belive smoking is bad for me. Thats the reality im creating for myself, because what we fail to remember is that WE create our own reality- what you believe - you will create! I also feel that with all the current laws and policies introduced about discrimination- that i could jump on the band wagon and say 'im being discriminated as a smoker' but im not that pathetic- i can understand banning smoking indoors where others have been conditioned to believe they'll get cancer from second hand smoke and i know it doesnt smell great to alot of people but whats the harm outside? what difference does it make when im stood outside no-where near anyone having a smoke? who's it affecting? oh- no-one it just 'looks bad' to tjose who are trying to enforce more restrictions on our human rights and freedom of choice! (rant over!!) LOL!! :D

[basilbrook]

Hi all

I smoke (marlborough lights 15/20 per day and spliffs) and have done since I was 21 (20 yrs ago).

I know its not a healthy pastime and i have identified the habitual side of my addiction, i.e I always light up when I get in the car, so I'm now in a position to attempt to cut down.

What does pish me off about the current climate, of making out smokers to be akin to leppers, is the fact that if every person in the UK was to stop smoking straight away, where would the £6 billion pounds of LOST cigarette tax come from. At the moment smokers drain approx £2 billion out of the NHS but contribute £6 billion!!!!

Now would the anti-smoking brigade be happy to have their tax contributions increased to cover this shortfall??? I think we all kniow the answer to that question.

Regarding the total smoking ban in public places that comes into effect in the UK in July this year, why cannot some pubs still be allocated as smoking ones, as long as the staff employed were smokers ?? Surely that would appease both smokers & non-smokers??

Anyway thats my rant over and apologies to any non smokers I may have offended

Regards

Basil

p.s. anyone got a light ?? ;) ;) ;)

[melbo]

I smoke golden virginia tobacco roll ups generally. I started on roll ups because of poverty and try to get smuggled stuff where I can, but I occasionally smoke benson & hedges and suchlike. I'm sick of being treated like a second class citizen because I smoke. I don't cause much pollution from it (roll ups don't give off as much smoke as proper cigs). The real pollution comes from the factories, cars and planes etc. I know it smells horrible to non smokers, but I don't smoke near them anyway. And as for the health thing, I don't believe 'passive smoking' is bad for anyone, just not very pleasant is all. Alcohol is much worse for society.

My mother is 72 and still puffing away. My grandad gave up at the age of 82 because he coughed up blood and got scared. My father did die of a heart attack, but he was a very stressed out person and had high blood pressure, so that was probably the real cause.

[garth]

Why not change your own beliefs about smoking? You don't have to buy into other peoples bullshit reality. Instead of saying to yourself "I know smoking is bad for me but..... blah blah" just re-program your DNA to believe smoking is good for you and it will be. If everything in our 3D reality is an illusion, just change your illusion to whatever you want it to be.

[lottie]

Finally- someone who understands!!:D

[i am all i am]

G'day to everyone,
The Cosmic Serpent - Jeremy Narby, pages 120-121.
"Second, there are fundamental differences between the shamanic use of tabacco and the consumption of industrial cigarettes. The botanical variety used in the Amazon contains up to eighteen times MORE nicotine than the plants used in Virginia-type cigarettes. Amazonian tobacco is grown without chemical fertilisers or pesticides and contains none of the ingredients added to cigarettes, such as aluminium oxide, potassium nitrate, ammonium phosphate, polyvinyl acetate, and a hundred or so others, which make up approximately 10 percent of the smokable matter. During combustion, a cigarette emits some 4,000 substances, most of which are toxic. Some of these substances are even radioactive, making cigarettes the largest single source of radiation in the daily life of an average smoker. According to one study, the average smoker absorbs the equivalent of the radiation dosages from 250 chest x-rays per year. Cigarettes smoke is directly implicated in more than 25 serious illnesses, including 17 forms of cancer. In the Amazon, on the other hand, tobacco is considered a REMEDY. The Ashaninca word for "healer", or "shaman", is SHERPIARI - literally, "the person who uses tobacco". The oldest Ashaninca men I knew were all sheripiari. They were so old that they did not know there own age, which only their deeply wrinkled skin suggested, and they were remarkably alert and healthy.
Intrigued by these disparities, I looked through data banks for comparative studies between the toxicity of the Amazonian variety (Nicotiana rustica) and the variety used by the manufacturers of cigarettes, cigars, rolling tobacco (Nicotiana tabacum). I found nothing. The question, it seemed had not been asked. I also looked for studies on the cancer rate among shamans who use massive and regular doses of nicotine; again, nothing. So I decided to write to the main authority on the matter, Johannes Wilbert, author of the book Tobacco and shamanism in South America, to put my questions to him. He replied: "There is certainly evidence that Western tobacco products contain many different harmful agents which are probably not present in organically grown plants. I have not heard of shamans developing cancers but that may, of course, be a function of several things like lack of Western diagnosis, natural life span of indigenous people, magico-religious restriction of tobacco use in tribal societies, etc.".
It seems clear that nicotine does not cause cancer, given that it is active in the brain and that cigarettes do not cause cancer in the brain, but in the lungs, esophagus, stomach, pancreas, rectum, kidneys and bladder, the organs reached by the CARINOGENIC TARS, which are swallowed."

My suggestion for anyone wishing to smoke is to grow your own organically. I am currently growing my first crop of tobacco and have found it very easy to grow. After I harvest and cure the crop I'll let you know what it is like. If you would like more information on seeds, growing, curing, etc., google 'tobacco talk' and you will be able to get all the information you require.
This is another natural product that the powers that be do not want you to have and to use, unless it is their own chemically altered (read deadly) supply. Grow your own and enjoy.

With LOVE.
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WHEN PAIRED OPPOSITES DEFINE YOUR BELIEFS, YOUR BELIEFS WILL IMPRISON YOU.

[karenmoore1979]

I am not sure where I stand on this one :confused:
I am a non-smoker and find the smell of smoke horrible and uncomfortable so I was very pleased when the smoking ban came in last year (I live in Scotland and so we have had it in place for nearly a year now). I must say I enjoy going to the pub etc much more now that I don't have to breathe smoke in and go home smelling like an ashtray!

However I am not sure if this is grounds for a total ban on smoking. Maybe they could have separate rooms or something? I don't know the best solution to be honest.

As for reprogramming your DNA to, well I like that idea. Maybe more smokers should try it and see what the results are. However I don't think I could possibly reprogramme my DNA to make me enjoy being surrounded in smoke - it is just too horrible!! ;)

[limelady]

Thats some good avice i am all i am.

[i am all i am]

G'day Limelady,
Thank you for your kind words.

With LOVE.
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IT'S NOT HOW MANY PEOPLE ARE LISTENING, IT'S WHETHER YOU SING OR NOT THAT MATTERS.

[roxanna]

Hello all. Here is something to ponder regarding smoking bans in effect all over the world.

Do you reckon the governments are really terribly concerned with our health?
Not a chance, unless its our demise which is their intention. The "we the government are concerned and wish you were all healthier", is a front. Why? Because simply put smoking interferes with the microchip. That disrupts the agenda, hence smoking bans. If smoking did not interfere with it as it does, no doubt that a. no smoking bans, but also Id bet they would find a reason to suggest all the healthy aspects of smoking.

I for one do smoke. I dont recommend it. I dont think its particulary healthy and dependence on a substance any substance outside of the body is negative.

Cheers

[joe dolan]

aren't we dependent on food?

[roxanna]

Excellent point joe! Thats true. I meant dependent on substances which the body does not inherently require.

[eternal_spirit]

Hello all. Here is something to ponder regarding smoking bans in effect all over the world.

Do you reckon the governments are really terribly concerned with our health?
Not a chance, unless its our demise which is their intention. The "we the government are concerned and wish you were all healthier", is a front. Why? Because simply put smoking interferes with the microchip. That disrupts the agenda, hence smoking bans. If smoking did not interfere with it as it does, no doubt that a. no smoking bans, but also Id bet they would find a reason to suggest all the healthy aspects of smoking.

I for one do smoke. I dont recommend it. I dont think its particulary healthy and dependence on a substance any substance outside of the body is negative.

Cheers
WOW how does tobacco interfere with the microchip?
If this is true maybe I'll give up giving up smoking:eek:

[roxanna]

Hi eternal,

When I posted that I was wanting to be able to include the link to the information I had stated regarding the way tabacco interferes with the microchip. I read on it etc. but cannot find again. It was compelling and Im still looking for it and asked my bf. to help me in this as its a must see. Still even though I knew my information would have to be taken at face value I decided to post it in hopes another might have the link and or to get you all thinking about it. The governments do what suits them for their agenda not for our benefit. Make no mistake. What they say is the opposite of what they mean. No plans for Iran, ok expect Iran hit. Easy Peesy. Anyway I will keep looking for this information and post as soon as I find it.

Cheers

[accuracy]

I smoke Dunhill Blue (8 mg) and roll up tobacco with filter Winfield Gold, and can be classified as a heavy smoker, but i do not suffer smokers cough at all by smoking these brands.:)

For sure, other brands make me sputter and cough up phlegm, which is why i always revert to the more expensive (chain smoke-able) ciggy's.

But what a bloody coincidence, i was checking out The UnHived Mind's (right now) on Joe Vialls topic:

Smoking Helps Protect Against Lung Cancer.

For a smoker or non smoker this is a MUST read for understanding the cause of Lung Cancer.

(See next post)

[notaslave]

I smoke rolling tobacco with no filters - through poverty rather than choice LOL When I have a few extra quid I occasionally buy ready made filtered tips. We have a smoking ban here and its easier to smoke ready made when you break from meetings for a smoke on the street and I have begun to notice that I cough and splutter whilst smoking them.

I am a heavy smoker, when I used to smoke ready made filtered cigarettes I did have a smokers cough - now I dont.

Just an observation.

Another observation re - asthma and smoking. I was an asthmatic when I lived in the south of England (near London) but I still smoked. I probably smoke more now but within 3 weeks of moving back north my asthma disappeared and I no longer required inhalers. I swear that is true, when my inhalers ran out I did not ask for more and I have had possibly two mild asthma attacks (during storms) since and I have been back here since 1996.

[lottie]

when i was nursing- one of the first lectures i had was on the immune system- we were told- smoking does not cause lung cancer - it just weakens the immune system- it just stops as much oxygen getting into the lungs so the tissue in the lungs is more vulnerable- allowing the risk of cancerous cells to multiply and grow a cancer!!

[deca]

Why is so could smoking caused illness on the increase if people are smoking less and there are been smoke free rooms.
Why is people that get smoking caused illness that don`t smoke is blamed on passive smoking.
Think its easy to blame smoking for a lot of illnesses and not look at other causes, I am not saying smoking is good but I do enjoy it
we have been told smoking = cancer and now passive smoking = cancer
At least when smoking gets banned and so could smoking illness rise they will have to find something else to blame us for