Junk Pet Food And The Damage Done

[fransetter]

An article by Dr. Tom Lonsdale,


http://www.rawmeatybones.com/articles/Nexus07_pub_articletext.pdf

[cheesedanish]

Earlier this year contaminated pet food hit the shelves

Pet-food poison from SA firm
19/04/2007 16:23 - (SA)

Johannesburg - Tests have confirmed that Vets Choice and Royal Canin dog and cat dry pet-food products contained corn gluten contaminated with melamine, says the manufacturer.

The contaminated corn gluten was delivered to Royal Canin by a South African third-party supplier and appears to have originated from China.

Recently, there were confirmed cases of 19 dogs in Cape Town and Johannesburg who'd presented with acute renal failure, all of whom appeared to have been fed Vets choice products. According to a statement sent out to veterinary surgeons across the country and in the possession of News24, it wasn't clear what had caused the condition.

Those products subject to the present recall were manufactured by Royal Canin South Africa in its Johannesburg plant between March 08 2007 and April 11 2007 and were sold exclusively in South Africa and Namibia
source (http://www.news24.com/News24/South_Africa/News/0,,2-7-1442_2101493,00.html)

[mad as a cat]

Thanks for posting this.
I can't read all of it....possibly a problem with my PC,but I get the gist of it!
I feed my cats on raw meat and raw fish,and also a good quality dry food ( even organic,when on offer),which I feed soaked,hopefully avoiding health issues when they are older.
Many,many years ago,I worked in kennels and catteries,and one day,some of the 'wild' cats who lived around the kennels,started to become very sick,and some died. The kennel owner said that it was because the manufacturers hadn't mixed the chemicals in correctly!
In my opinion,a lot of pet food is absolute rubbish.
:):):):)

[gorgeousbutterfly]

raw diet is the way to go, but its important that you give them supplements. (in liquid or gel form)

[mad as a cat]

Re:supplements.
I have read somewhere,that an all meat or all fish diet is deficient,so that's why I feed meat and fish.Also,their dry/complete food has taurine added,so I hope I'm covering all the bases!
:):):):)

[fransetter]

The point Lonsdale is making, is that there is no such thing as a good dried food, as the cooking processes denatures the food.

Not only that, but did you know that ALL dried food contains copper in sulphate form? I asked various PFM's why this was, and they replied that copper is an essential mineral and sulphate is the only way that they can get it to stick to dried food! My friends wife is a molecular biologist and she was horrified when she noticed copper sulphate listed. She says that to handle this, she has to use gloves and a mask.

The only UK manufactured pet foods I know in the UK which don't contain it are Nature Diet, Forthglade and Natures Menu, which are lightly steam cooked, and have seaweed added, so the copper comes in its natural form.

Despite my pets being raw fed, I do add seaweed to their diets. I also add raw unfiltered apple cider vinegar. I also drink this myself for the pectin. It is the pectin which gives rise to the saying "an apple a day keeps the doctor away". The processed apple cider vinegar available in supermarkets and many health food stores, is virtually useless.

I get our acv and seaweed this place:

www.crossgatesfarm.co.uk/index.php?enter=true :)

[mad as a cat]

Thanks 'fransetter'.
I'll check my cats' dried food ingredients at the shops next visit.I can't remember seeing copper sulphate though.
Yes, I understand that correct food combining and a totally raw diet is the best.
Also,I have read on a cat site (the name escapes me),that cats cannot digest cellulose,which I understand to mean fruit and vegetables,so why do my young cats who had raw meat only from weaning,actively sneak food from my guinea pigs dish and my plate? Given that they've had a fairly good diet so far,I'm thinking that they should instinctively know what's good for them.
:):):):)

[fransetter]

Thanks 'fransetter'.

Yes, I understand that correct food combining and a totally raw diet is the best.
Also,I have read on a cat site (the name escapes me),that cats cannot digest cellulose,which I understand to mean fruit and vegetables,so why do my young cats who had raw meat only from weaning,actively sneak food from my guinea pigs dish and my plate? Given that they've had a fairly good diet so far,I'm thinking that they should instinctively know what's good for them.
:):):):)

I would hope so mad as a cat, but we eat things which aren't good for us. However, the raw meaty bone people, such as Lonsdale, say that dogs shouldn't eat vegetables. I have two who love veg, and two who don't. One of the veg lovers likes hers to be steam cooked, whilst the other one likes his raw. I am inclined to let my dogs decide what they need. Having said that, one of them has just stuffed a bowl of rice pudding :D :D :eek:

[gorgeousbutterfly]

where do you get your raw meat from?

[fransetter]

where do you get your raw meat from?

We have a local(ish) farm butcher who collects meat and bone for us, and we collect it at the end the week. It is cheaper for him to give it to us, otherwise he has to employ somebody to come and take it all away. The meat and offal has a very small charge, but the bones are all free :)

I also have some pre-packed meat and veg in the freezer which we got from this website:
www.landywoods.co.uk

They deliver to many parts of the UK

[21_12_2012]

Does anyone here have a Bengal cat ?

After looking around for a while, I found a good breeder and chose a Bengal
kitten which I will be getting in 2 weeks time (it'll be 8 weeks old then).

She's a female, pedigree with papers (but not-registered), non-vaccinated
(no vaccines at all), no microchip, and non-neutered. I won't be getting her
vaccinated either, or chipped.

I want to be starting her on raw foods as soon as I get her.
Anybody here have experience with Bengal kittens / or any type of kittens
on raw diet?

I have read quite a bit on the web, and probably will be looking to start her
on frozen day-old chicks, frozen mice (eventually live ones), live crickets,
live spiders, raw chicken wings with bone, chicken necks, and supplement it
with a dry kitten food. As much variation as possible really, the first 12
months are very important for habits / eating / training.

Advice appreciated, particularly with bengal kittens.

[boots]

Stick with the raw foods ;)

I use to feed my cats tin food and dry food but i found that 1 of them was chucking up the red die from the dry food so I stopped giving it to them.

I only feed them fresh mince, kangaroo in fact, it's the best thing for them,failing freshg mince I would give them the cheapest cut of meat I could find.



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[21_12_2012]

Stick with the raw foods ;)

I use to feed my cats tin food and dry food but i found that 1 of them was chucking up the red die from the dry food so I stopped giving it to them.

I only feed them fresh mince, kangaroo in fact, it's the best thing for them,failing freshg mince I would give them the cheapest cut of meat I could find.



.

Yes, i have read some bad things about dry foods, I will be reluctant to give
her dry food, even though i have bought some already, i was thinking maybe
if i was out for the day i could leave some in her bowl now and again.

I would like to get some recipes going, ground up meat / organs / bone with
added vitamins (naturally sourced as much as possible)

There is info on the net, from breeders and owners, but from what i have read
Bengals can be quite fussy, but I'm sure i'll figure out what suits her best
soon enough.

[fransetter]

Yes, i have read some bad things about dry foods, I will be reluctant to give
her dry food, even though i have bought some already, i was thinking maybe
if i was out for the day i could leave some in her bowl now and again.

I would like to get some recipes going, ground up meat / organs / bone with
added vitamins (naturally sourced as much as possible)

There is info on the net, from breeders and owners, but from what i have read
Bengals can be quite fussy, but I'm sure i'll figure out what suits her best
soon enough.

You can get some very informative stuff from the people behind this website
http://www.ukrmb.co.uk/

If you click on the links it will take you through to the page where you can join the Yahoo forum. You will get lots of excellent advice on raw feeding from the people on that forum

[fransetter]

Copper Sulphate is in ALL dry dog food. It is a toxic substance. It is used in dry pet foods to keep out moulds etc. It is the only way they can get copper (an essential trace element) to stay in dry foods. Nobody I have spoken to in the dry dog food industry seems bothered by it, even though it is not added to processed human foods! Humans need to wear gloves and a mask when handling copper sulphate even with tiny amounts.

For some strange reason I discovered it is also in Natures Menu frozen meat, veg and rice packs. If the meat and veg are so good in the first place, it should retain natural copper content. My dogs won't be eating this stuff again. They will continue with their regular raw meat and bones.

http://www.naturesmenu.co.uk/products/frozen/chicken/

[lordzoma]

http://pmep.cce.cornell.edu/profiles/extoxnet/carbaryl-dicrotophos/copper-sulfate-ext.html

Get this

2mg of copper sulfate will kill a guinea pig.

But it takes

1000mg to kill a pigeon

or

2000mg to kill a young mallard.

[21_12_2012]

Thanks fransetter.
I was actually reading about copper/copper sulphate this morning, and
then I checked the 3 varieties of dried food that i've bought ready for the
kitten.

The 3 types i got are:-

Hill's Science Plan (veterinary formulated!) Dry kitten food- contains copper(copper sulphate)

James Wellbeloved Complete Dry Kitten Food-Naturally Hypo Allergenic (!)
contains copper(cupric sulphate)

Pets At Home Kitten Complete. Contains copper(cupric sulphate)

Amongst other things, they contain wheat gluten, which is not recommended for cats/kittens. Plus vegetable extracts, which also cats do not eat or need
in their diets, also fruit !

These makers also make out that this stuff is like THE BEST stuff you can
give to your cats....Yeh right !

Even vets are promoting the stuff.

A search of breeders on the net (who know what they're talking about)
soon reveals what cats/dogs REALLY need, and what they eat in the wild.

It's a myth that cats and dogs, because they are domesticated, can eat
processed / cooked / tinned / dried foods and remain in optimum health.
They still have the same genes / DNA that they've always had for thousands
of years, so therefore they still require the NATURAL foods that they've
survived on for thousands of years, before all this processed crap came out.

I will keep the 3 small bags of dried food though, for emergencies, but i also
bought some wet foods (in gravy) which seem to not contain anything
harmful.

Nature's Menu (made with 70% real meat)
and
Hill's Science Plan tender chunks in gravy.

12 pouches of each.

Hopefully, when i get the kitten, i can wean it off the dry food it was started
on (by the breeder), and onto the wet food, and then straight onto proper
raw/live food.

It'll be 8 weeks old, so it should get used to it soon enough.

[clozaril]

my old dog had discharge from it's ears it was really painful for the dog and it had to be syringed at the vets quite often and ear drops put in. just writing this now i am feeling some of my dogs pain, and what it went through.

a few years after it had died i was in toronto and got talking to a guy whos dog experienced the same thing, he started making his own food for the dog and it stopped having discharge from it's ears.

poor old sam i think i'm going to cry :-(

[fransetter]

my old dog had discharge from it's ears it was really painful for the dog and it had to be syringed at the vets quite often and ear drops put in. just writing this now i am feeling some of my dogs pain, and what it went through.

a few years after it had died i was in toronto and got talking to a guy whos dog experienced the same thing, he started making his own food for the dog and it stopped having discharge from it's ears.

poor old sam i think i'm going to cry :-(

Yes, I cried too when I realised what I had been doing to my pets. I always believed I was feeding them the very best, but after one of my dogs suffered a gastric torsion, I realised that nothing was quite as I had been lead to believe. In fact I was horrified beyond belief. The horrid dry food had expanded inside his stomach and had created a blockage. He never really fully recovered after that.

[fransetter]

Even vets are promoting the stuff.



Yes, but even they are marketed to like everyone else who falls for the corporate lies. They use the word "Science" merely to appeal to the scientific mind of vets.

They claim their product is researched by vets and scientists to ensure it will 'sustain' the animal and give a healthy 'appearance'. They produce scientific papers to convince the veterinary profession that they really are serious about food science. I am also told they give free food to the pets of veterinary students. In the UK veterinary students only receive a few hours nutritional training and this is carried out by the reps from Hills Science (Colgate Palmolive), Royal Canin (Pedigree= Mars), and IAMS (Proctor and Gamble) and Purina (Nestle). The young veterinary hopeful never receives independent nutritional training and advice. As their professional body endorse this form of 'education', the vets believe this is the correct and never question anything. In other words, they swallow the marketing hook line and sinker, which is precisely what it was designed to do.

There are a growing number of vets who have their eyes open, and indeed there is at least one at the practice I take my animals too.

There is also a spin on the scientific marketing label.....
If the food is so marvellous to start off with, why do they need vets and scientists to research it?

Why? So that they can make the inedible, edible - in order that it can sustain the animal and give that healthy 'appearance'.

The last time a vet offered my dog Hills Prescription Diet, I asked where my prescription diet was. She looked at me amazed, so I told her that like my dog, I had a very similar severe endocrine disorder, and there was no such thing as a prescription diet to help me with my condition, therefore why was there one for my dog? Of course she couldn't answer this.

[21_12_2012]

Interesting points.

It's a sad situation....people blindly believing the blind, instead of doing a little
bit of research themselves.

So much suffering could be prevented.

[antiem]

Thank you very, very much for that post! I've spent all my free time the last two years in seeing throught the jungle of baby food and didn't think of my cats! I'm a vegetarian because of the vibrancy of meat/fish, said shortly. So what do you say to the theory, that you should feed your pets vegetary? I know, "not natural", but seen with that theory, human should die without meat, which they don't. I for myself feel much better. Why not cats?

[21_12_2012]

Cats are carnivorious, they don't eat fruit/veg, and their bodies don't need
it, and cannot handle it.

http://www.felinefuture.com/nutrition/fruit+vegetables.php

The issue is the state of commercial pet foods, which are far removed from
what they should be eating, which is raw and live food.

Cat's ideal food would be what their wild ancestors ate in the wild.

http://www.felinefuture.com/nutrition/bpo_ch1.php

[element]

Thank you very, very much for that post! I've spent all my free time the last two years in seeing throught the jungle of baby food and didn't think of my cats! I'm a vegetarian because of the vibrancy of meat/fish, said shortly. So what do you say to the theory, that you should feed your pets vegetary? I know, "not natural", but seen with that theory, human should die without meat, which they don't. I for myself feel much better. Why not cats?

No your cat is a natural meat-eater. Putting cats on vegetarian diet seems like torture. You probably had that cat before you turned veg, so it's better to make an exception for your cat.

I know it's possible with dogs, but cats I don't think so.

This thread doesn't really surprise me. Why do you think so many cats and dogs die off cancer? :rolleyes: 1 word: crapfood!

[fransetter]

[QUOTE=element;506971]No your cat is a natural meat-eater. Putting cats on vegetarian diet seems like torture. /QUOTE]

Yes, I am vegetarian too, but my pets aren't. I try to feed them as naturally as possible. Ideally they should catch and eat their own, like one of my old dogs did and also one of my old cats. Both the dog and cat lived to a ripe old age. The only time that cat ever saw a vet was when she was spayed as a youngster and the last day of her life.

Watch out for the pet treats you can buy too. Many people don't seem to regard those as being harmful, but they are loaded with stuff which would turn your stomachs if you knew what went into them.

Better to make your own, or purchase nice ones from
http://www.barkery.co.uk
http://www.daisysdogdeli.co.uk/

[element]

[QUOTE=element;506971]No your cat is a natural meat-eater. Putting cats on vegetarian diet seems like torture. /QUOTE]

Yes, I am vegetarian too, but my pets aren't. I try to feed them as naturally as possible. Ideally they should catch and eat their own, like one of my old dogs did and also one of my old cats. Both the dog and cat lived to a ripe old age. The only time that cat ever saw a vet was when she was spayed as a youngster and the last day of her life.

Watch out for the pet treats you can buy too. Many people don't seem to regard those as being harmful, but they are loaded with stuff which would turn your stomachs if you knew what went into them.

Better to make your own, or purchase nice ones from
http://www.barkery.co.uk
http://www.daisysdogdeli.co.uk/

I am vegetarian too, but if I would have a cat I would get good quality meat for him/her. I think the safe solution for vegetarians that want pets is to get birds. :D

[antiem]

Better to make your own, or purchase nice ones from
http://www.barkery.co.uk
http://www.daisysdogdeli.co.uk/[/QUOTE]

Any information about cat food sites? :confused:

[fransetter]

Better to make your own, or purchase nice ones from
http://www.barkery.co.uk
http://www.daisysdogdeli.co.uk/

Any information about cat food sites? :confused:[/QUOTE]

I will ask my friend Alliecat who is a mine of information. Evidently the Barkery's perfect pilchard goes down well with many kitties :)

[fransetter]

uh ow!
Just received this in from Alliecat concerning vegetable protein in Felix cat food. The message below was sent in reply to a question asked by a member of a cat forum. This is really disgusting:


"Thank you very much for contacting us regarding the inclusion of vegetable
protein in Felix As Good As It Looks.


The vegetable protein included in As Good As It Looks is wheat gluten which
is key for the product cosmetics as well as being a valuable and high
quality source of protein. The other main protein source in this range is
meat, as indicated on the ingredients list. Although the stated amount is 4%
this is a minimum and the actual meat content will be higher.



We hope that this information has been helpful and if we can be of any
further assistance, please do not hesitate to contact us again.



*Thank you for contacting the Nestlé Purina Petcare Team.*

*Tel 0800 21 21 61*

*www.purina.co.uk *

[antiem]

I don't trust nestlé anyway. :)

[21_12_2012]

I got my Bengal kitten 3 days ago, she's only 8 weeks old, and very small.
She had the runs when i first got her, for 2 days.
The breeder had the litter on Whiskas Kitten food (pouches)
So, i started her on raw organic free-range chicken breast yesterday
afternoon.
I gave her 1 little cut up piece to start with, and held it under her nose.
Jesus H Christ...it was like flicking a turbo switch or something.
She chomped it down like there was no tomorrow, then came jumping
around me making a proper wining sound...so i gave her a small bowl full of
little cut up pieces, and believe me, I've never seen an animal enjoy food
as much in my life. And the next bowl !
After her first taste of raw food, she's become more confident, and daring.
More playful. Sleeps better. Less whiney. And she has only shit twice in 24
hours since eating 4 small bowls of it in 24 hours...she must have absorbed
most of it as nutrition.
I will be trying her on raw rabbit soon, and lamb. Maybe some venison, and
spiders.
I tried her with a frozen mouse (thawed out) from the pet shop, but didn't
manage to start eating it...sniffed it for a while...nearly started to bite....but
didn't...even after i cut it's head off and body into 3 parts. Maybe she was
full enough with the chicken breast.

But i'm sure she'll eat one soon enough.

I got a massive buzz from watching how much she enjoyed it.

I recommend all cat owners to give their cat some raw chicken breast
sometime (preferably organic/free range and washed before cut up)

It is advisable also, to not mix raw food with cooked food in the same bowl
(such as commercial pet food) their stomachs cannot digest both at once.

[fransetter]

I got a massive buzz from watching how much she enjoyed it.



That is just lovely to read. Best of luck with your new kitty. Sounds like she has a lovely life ahead of her :-D

[21_12_2012]

That is just lovely to read. Best of luck with your new kitty. Sounds like she has a lovely life ahead of her :-D


Thanks...yes, i intend to give her the best life i can. As natural a diet as i can
and as little chemical-contact as possible.

I've had her on highland spring bottled water since i got her, and will try her
out on distilled water soon, maybe 1 day on bottled, 1 day on distilled and
keep it like that.

Also no vaccinations at all. Which is quite controversial when i tell people.
But, Bengals (particularly females) seem quite happy being 'house-cats'
and have no inclination to go outside at all, so it seems pointless to vaccinate
against stuff she 'might' catch from outside, or contact with other cats, if
she's not even going to go outside.

Anyway...she seems very happy, energetic and very loving..i must be doing
ok so far :)

[21_12_2012]

I gave her raw (lambs) liver for the first time yesterday, from a local butchers.

Apparently, according to raw-diet-breeders, you should not give more than
200 grams of liver per week to an adult cat, so i figured about 50 grams a
week should be ok for a kitten. I gave her around 8 grams in a bowl. She ate
it all within 30 seconds. Loved it.

So, about an hour later, i gave her roughly the same amount of raw (lambs)
kidney, which again lasted about 30 seconds and was gone !

Then some raw chicken breast again during the afternoon and night.
Seems like she is loving this diet so far, but i will be varying it more and more
as time goes on and i find out what else she likes raw.

It is best to always consult the net first regarding raw foods, especially if
it's only a kitten.

http://www.feline-future.com
http://www.felinefuture.com/nutrition//bpo_ch11.php

[21_12_2012]

I also have another plan in action.
I have 3 cages of breeding mice, which i intend to feed to my kitten
eventually.

Mice are probably the most ideal food for cats, containing all the bones
(calcium) and organs / flesh that a complete meal should contain for a cat.

I may have to put the mice into one of those instant-electrifying traps
before feeding it to her (if she doesn't kill them fast enough..that would be
cruel)

It might sound a bit barbaric, but, what's more barbaric, feeding a cat
crap processed foods which will inevitably make them ill, listless and below-par..? Or feeding them as close-to-natural as you can ?

I will see how that goes in the near future anyway.

[21_12_2012]

I tried her with raw rabbit for the first time yesterday. She loved it more than
anything I've given her yet. I cut all the fatty bits off first.

I didn't realise how cheap rabbit actually is to buy until I bought some.

I tried her on lamb today too for the first time. Not too much, as it might have
been too rich for her. She loved that too. Played around like a psycho for
an hour after it, and has been asleep for 2 hours since.

The beef i tried her with the other day was too rich. She had too much of it
too. I think i gave her a bit too much at once.She fell asleep most of the day
n night after it. I won't be giving her too much of that again in 1 go, but she
did really like it.

[fransetter]

I have been looking at a litter of puppies as I am considering getting one. However today I discovered that the mum is fed on Hills 'science' Diet, which is another trading name of Colgate Palmolive. I told the breeder that this had put me off a bit, so I told her the reasons why. She seemed very surprised and said that she would research raw feeding. I will wait a few weeks and then see if she has taken any of it on board.

If not, there will hopefully be another litter of puppies next year, which are being planned by a friend. Both parents are fed raw. They are both good strong and very healthy dogs, and their coats have a lovely shine and spring to them. I think it will be really nice to have a puppy from raw fed parents, so that my next dog is fully grown on raw food.

Joe Inglis has started the campaign for real food BUT note on this video - he produces his own dry food!!! I think this man and his cohorts have an agenda of their own - and that is good food according to their standards. I wonder if they would feel the same if they were fed dry food every single meal for the remainder of their lives :(

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rQDaGnHphwk

I will add to his list of "stay clear of" = brewers yeast and dry foods - period.


......

Why on this video do I think Joe fancies himself as the veterinary version of Dr. Mercola LOL

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=oZ1tZnCD2TU&feature=related

Hey.... and guess what - at the end he says of his dog and cat's diet "and they deserve exactly the same as the rest of us (his family)", and then he pours a bag of dried food into a bowl :eek: hahahahahahaha

[21_12_2012]

Yep, i would love to see him eat dried food everyday.

What a mad world it is.

[21_12_2012]

After showing her my breeding mice for the last few days (by holding her
over their tanks and doing the yum yum noise to her) i decided to put her in a box with one for the first time.

Sounds barbaric, but, it's nature, and it's the best food a cat can eat.

Anyway, after a few minutes of chasing, pawing, and generally running
around after the mouse, she started to get angry, and must have chomped
the mouses head with one big bite, then carried on throwing the body about
for a while, and jumping around excitedly for a few minutes.
Then she ate it all, every last bit.

I am well pleased..and so was she !

That's her food taken care of from now on anyway. I have a few tanks of
breeding mice, specially for her, and was unsure as to whether she would
just play with and torture the mouse and not eat it, but, sure enough, her
instincts kicked in, and she did the job as quickly as possible and ate the
lot.
I didn't feed her though for a while before i did it, so she was hungry.
And i kept making the 'yum yum' noise i make everytime i feed her something.
So i think that might have helped trigger her to know it as being food as well.

A lot less barbaric than feeding a cat dried, processed, and tinned crap
that's next to useless, and causes all kinds of health problems.

http://img413.imageshack.us/img413/6683/dsc02007222222222222222ra5.jpg (http://imageshack.us)
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Tia says "MMMMMMMMM"

[pri01]

My 2 gorgeous siamese girls died within a month of each other this year with renal failure. They weren't elderly cats either and I'm not sure if both deaths were related. I have recently bought 2 more and we have just adopted a bengal boy too. I am very warey about the food i give them now.

[21_12_2012]

My 2 gorgeous siamese girls died within a month of each other this year with renal failure. They weren't elderly cats either and I'm not sure if both deaths were related. I have recently bought 2 more and we have just adopted a bengal boy too. I am very warey about the food i give them now.

Aw, sorry to hear that about your siamese.
I have read and heard so many problems of renal failure with cats. I am
certain it is due to commercial cat foods.

I have read accounts of owners feeding raw meat to their cats, and only
having to visit the vets once, on the day of the cat's death.

Also i have read about owners having their cats for over 20 years on raw
diets. Plus I've read about adult cats with health issues, being 'switched'
onto raw diets and their health returning back to normal.

This is the first cat I have owned, but i have looked after other people's cats,
mainly neighbours.

It's best to start them off on raw when they're young, but adult cats can be
'switched' too, best to do it gradually.

I make sure all the meat i give her is fit for human consumption, and fresh,
and preferably organic. She's not had one stomach upset yet.

The thing is, when just feeding raw meat to a cat, it needs calcium too, and
the stuff it gets from the internal organs of animals. So i buy lambs liver and
kidney, and full rabbits, and give her the internal organs from it (in very small
portions)

Nothing beats a live mouse though..every nutrient a cat needs is contained
within it.

[chris]

Great thread peep. Thanks Frans for your info...

[jvx19]

I feed the dog and cat potted meat and rice. They have good....um...producution now.

[pri01]

Aw, sorry to hear that about your siamese.
I have read and heard so many problems of renal failure with cats. I am
certain it is due to commercial cat foods.

I have read accounts of owners feeding raw meat to their cats, and only
having to visit the vets once, on the day of the cat's death.

Also i have read about owners having their cats for over 20 years on raw
diets. Plus I've read about adult cats with health issues, being 'switched'
onto raw diets and their health returning back to normal.

This is the first cat I have owned, but i have looked after other people's cats,
mainly neighbours.

It's best to start them off on raw when they're young, but adult cats can be
'switched' too, best to do it gradually.

I make sure all the meat i give her is fit for human consumption, and fresh,
and preferably organic. She's not had one stomach upset yet.

The thing is, when just feeding raw meat to a cat, it needs calcium too, and
the stuff it gets from the internal organs of animals. So i buy lambs liver and
kidney, and full rabbits, and give her the internal organs from it (in very small
portions)

Nothing beats a live mouse though..every nutrient a cat needs is contained
within it.

That's great advice, thank you. I have dogs too and our golden retriever often has bouts of diaorrhea. You can only imagine the mess we have to clean with all of her fur getting covered. Tooth decay is common too. The 2 cats that died had terrible decay which I feel really bad about yet I wasn't aware because cats don't complain with pain. Well maybe they did but it's difficult to interprate exactly what they are telling you. They know we love animals so they will make them suffer in the same way they make us suffer. They will then ensure that we pay a tidy sum for the privilage of getting them well whilst also encouraging us in lining the pockets of fat cat insurance giants.:(

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That's great advice, thank you. I have dogs too and our golden retriever often has bouts of diaorrhea. You can only imagine the mess we have to clean with all of her fur getting covered. Tooth decay is common too. The 2 cats that died had terrible decay which I feel really bad about yet I wasn't aware because cats don't complain with pain. Well maybe they did but it's difficult to interprate exactly what they are telling you. They know we love animals so they will make them suffer in the same way they make us suffer. They will then ensure that we pay a tidy sum for the privilage of getting them well whilst also encouraging us in lining the pockets of fat cat insurance giants.:(

Yes diarrhoea is common, as in humans, when eating incorrect foods.
Little Tia had the runs for days when i first got her, but not since
switching her to raw food, plus it smells a lot less too.

I think the tooth decay thing could be related to lack of calcium in the
processed pet foods, plus maybe sugary stuff in there. I really do not trust
what is written on the back of pet food packets/tins.

The dried foods make out that they contain all the nutrients a pet needs,
it's ridiculous. And the vets, just like our doctors, are indoctrinated to
parrot this, and endorse the very foods that make our pets ill/diseased.

Just as planned by the illuminati.

[fransetter]

Info for anyone considering feeding kitties raw food :)

http://www.maxshouse.com/feline_nutrition.htm



http://www.catnutrition.org/index.php



http://www.catnutrition.org/recipes.php



http://www.rawfedcats.org/

[xpleet]

my cat gets ordinary dry food, which I hope is ok, atleast it's better than the canned shit.

[tyler]

I feed my dog a mixture of rew meat, Burns dried organic food and occasionally a tin of Butchers Bot dog meat which is probably crap.

Most definately do not feed him the cheapo tinned stuff in Tescos etc.

He loves raw sheep hearts and raw bones from the butchers.

I confess to feeding my seven year old cat on dried food though she seems healthy enough. I give her bits of chicken and ham. maybe I should start feeding her raw chicken. Can be a bit expensive.

Burns seem a reputable outfit...... http://www.burns-pet-nutrition.co.uk/

[fransetter]

my cat gets ordinary dry food, which I hope is ok, atleast it's better than the canned shit.

I'm afraid not. Dry food usually consists of exactly the same crap as the canned but has just been put through an extruder instead :(

You are effectively feeding something like pot noodle to your animal on a daily basis (if not worse). Also dry foods are usually mainly carbohydrate based, which cats would not eat naturally.

The same applies to dog food too.

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I'm afraid not. Dry food usually consists of exactly the same crap as the canned but has just been put through an extruder instead :(

You are effectively feeding something like pot noodle to your animal on a daily basis (if not worse). Also dry foods are usually mainly carbohydrate based, which cats would not eat naturally.

The same applies to dog food too.

Sad but true.
Also, due to the food being dry/compressed, the liver/kidney is put under
stress to digest the 'un-natural' crap contained within dry foods, as it
expands in the pets bodies, and dehydrates the pet, resulting in the very
common liver and kidney diseases which a high percentage of pets suffer
from eventually in their lives. Resulting in more vets trips, chemical drugs
to relieve 'symptoms' (not causes).
Sounds like a sick illuminati plan to me.

[checkmate]

I hesitate to even post this but I believe the contaminated pet food was a test for altering our food supply. The same ingredient found in the pet food was responsible for the contaminated milk powder in China, think about it.

[fransetter]

I hesitate to even post this but I believe the contaminated pet food was a test for altering our food supply. The same ingredient found in the pet food was responsible for the contaminated milk powder in China, think about it.

Why hesitate to post?

They ARE indeed contaminating us as well as our pets.

It is not only the contaminated milk issue, but other ingredients which have already been banned from human products still find their way into pet foods, and also some of the foods deemed fit for animals only, find their way back into the human food chain.

Fillers, binders, cooking processes, filthy raw materials are doing more than altering the food supply, they are genetically altering humans and our pets.

[kiwimaj]

raw diet is the way to go, but its important that you give them supplements. (in liquid or gel form)


..yes, totally agree, but also the totally unnecessary vaccinations pets are given, that also can be a cause for their illnesses. Animals in the wild don't cook their foods, so why do we think our pet animals need to ?? The same for human animals, raw is the original diet we are meant to consume.

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I've managed to finally get my kitten to eat frozen (defrosted) mice now.

She would not eat one the first time i got one for her, but, she did not know
what a mouse was at that point.

I gave her a live one weeks ago now, and she killed and ate it after a while.

So, i decided to buy another couple of frozen ones, and i put a full one in
her bowl, and she recognized the smell, but, she threw the body around
playing with it, for about 45 minutes, which was a bit of a pain.

It didn't leave much mess though, she was just throwing it, not puncturing
any organs in the mouse, so there was no blood.

After 45 mins of me saying "go on...eat it...mmm...eat it...mmmm" I went out
of the room, for about 5 minutes, and when i came back in she was just
finishing off the tail, and had eaten it all up.

So, the next time, i cut the mouse up, into 4 parts. Was a bit messy.
I put it in her bowl, and whistled to her (her "feeding time' whistle) and she
immediately recognised what it was, and ate it all within a couple of minutes.

It's no trouble at all now, she will eat it straight down no messing. (cut up)

The mice (large ones) are 95p each, from a nearby reptile shop. At the
moment i give her 2 a day, 1 in the morning and one at night.

In between i give her:-
Raw minced rabbit (fresh from a local market and minced in my meat
grinder into a slop with all the the organs and some bone in)..)
Raw chicken breast most days (small amount..few grams)
A few grams of raw lambs liver and kidney a couple of times a week.
A small bowl of prawns (as a treat)
A bit of mackerel now and again
Bits of tuna now and again.
Occasional raw organic lamb steak.
And maybe 1 or 2 pouches (maximum) a week of organic cat food (if i've not
got any raw stuff available)

When my mice are breeding more, i intend to have her on about 4 mice a day,
which probably will be as ideal a diet as a cat can have.
Her coat has gone like silk since she's started on the frozen mice, and she is
VERY active and alert, and not shedding any noticeable hairs. Sparkling eyes,
and ultra sharp hearing.

I am very pleased, and advise any cat owner to try and get their cats onto
mice. It's not cheap though really, works out £13 a week plus the other foods
on top of that, but if you can breed your own mice it's virtually free if you
get enough cages. I use large plastic transparent stacker boxes with lids
from pound shops, and get massive bin bags full of sawdust for 50p each
from a local timber company. Plus hamster food is quite cheap if you shop
around, and i feed the mice scraps such as organic cooked rice and little bits
of left overs.

edit:- Giving a mouse to a cat with weak teeth or teeth problems, could be
a problem due to the cat having to crunch the bones in the mouse.

Or if a cat is very old with certain digestive / kidney / liver problems it may
have problems digesting a mouse.

I'm just speculating, but probably the cats will be fine, after all, they're designed
to eat mice and small prey.

I do watch the cat when it's eating though, incase it starts choking or something.
But she's never had a problem, or any stomach upsets ever, from raw foods or
mice.

[fransetter]

The damage done comes in more than one form:

http://uk.youtube.com/watch?v=HmvEJ3wFki0&feature=related