Out-of-Place Artifacts

[chattanova]

There are many out of place relics around the world which do not fit the traditional model of human prehistory.
They are a proof that extraterrestrial and technologically advanced civilizations visited our planet long time ago and it took place not only once. Many of these extremely old and precious pieces were made with help of the advanced technique. According to school knowledge prehistoric humans were primitive, so any kind of high technology should not be known to them. But the relics unearthed all over the world say something different. They are an evidence that our ancestors were advanced and civilized and that advanced civilizations existed long before any of the known for us ancient cultures came into existence.
We are not allowed to forget about all these anomalous and mysterious out-of-place findings.
http://www.ufoarea.com/main_relics.html


THE ANTIKYTHERA MECHANISM

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Dated to ca 80 A.D, probably used as calendar and astronomical calculator for the motions of stars and planets. It is very sophisticated device that consists of 30 toothed wheels, of diameter from 9 to 132 mm, being able to rotate at a different speed each, dials and scaled metal plates with inscriptions related to the signs of zodiac, names of the planets.
The engraved signs inform about the equinoxes, months, winds and constellations being in their different phases.

[chattanova]

THE BATTERY OF BABYLON

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Was unearthed in Khujut Rabu, in the ruins of a Parthian village outside Baghdad in 1938 by German archaeologist Wilhelm Konig.
It is a five-inch-long (13 cm) clay jar containing a copper cylinder that its edge was soldered with a 60-40 lead-tin alloy, and bottom was capped with a crimped-in copper disk and held in place with asphalt or bitumen.
Another insulating layer of asphalt sealed the top and also protected an iron bar suspended into the center of the cylinder. This one is known as the Baghdad Battery and is about 2,000 years old. A dozen of other similar batteries were unearthed in Iraq. Most sources date the batteries to around 200 BC - in the Parthian era, circa 250 BC to AD 225. However the Parthians were skilled warriors rather and their scientific achievements were not known. It would appear then that they inherited these batteries from one of the earliest known civilizations. According to the experts, the device after being filled with an acid or alkaline liquid could create an electric charge. It is believed that this old battery might have been used to electroplate silver, but it is only one of the theories. Important is to emphasize that electric batteries were used about 2000 years ago...long before they were invented by Alessandro Volta in 1799.

[chattanova]

MYSTERIOUS CHINA STONE FROM OUTER SPACE

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An uncommon stone imbedded with screw-threaded metal bar from a collector in Lanzhou Mr. Zhilin Wang. He found this stone on a field research trip to the Mazong Mountain area located on the border of Gansu and Xijiang provinces. The pear-shaped stone is extremely hard and has a mysterious black color. It is about 8 x 7 cm and weighs 466 grams. The most surprising part of the stone is the imbedded 6 cm cone-shaped metal bar which bears clear screw threads. The stone is one of the most valuable in China and in the world. There are many hypotheses about the formation of this stone, but all seem to be incredible. The screw-threaded metal bar is tightly enclosed in the black lithical material. Neither the bar's entrance to the stone nor the exposed bar tip appear to be man-made. Moreover, the screw thread width remains consistent from the thick end to the thin end, instead of varying due to the growth of organisms. Is this a relic from a prehistoric civilization? Could it be a stony meteorite having any message from an extraterrestrial civilization for us?. How the stone was formed? It is suspected of being from outer space.

[chattanova]

ANCIENT GLIDER FROM EGYPT

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In 1898 a small wooden, winged object was found in the tomb of Pa-di-Imen in north Saqqara, Egypt. The model has the exact proportions of a very advanced form of "pusher-glider" however it was identified as a "bird model".
Made of very light sycamore the craft weighs 0.5 oz. with straight and aerodynamically shaped wings, spanning about 7 inches. It looks like modern-day aircraft though is 2,000-year-old. According to analysis it was discovered that the object was aerodynamically sound. and it is similar to a new oblique-winged aircraft NASA was interested to build

[chattanova]

PREHISTORIC AIRPLANES FROM SOUTH AMERICA

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The mechanical features of the object suggest a highly sophisticated level of aerodynamics and construction. The objects are very old and small, approximately 2 inches long, objects, made of gold are estimated to be AT LEAST 1,000 years old. For archaeologists the artifacts were depicting animals and were classified as Sinu, a pre-Inca culture from A.D. 500 to 800... But only for them. For aeronautical engineers these objects more looked like airplanes with delta-shaped wings. So in 1997 they built a scaled up version of the objects to the exact specifications of the prototypes with the simple addition of an engine and propeller. The test was succesful. The radio controlled aircraft flew performing airborn loops, rolls and other manuevers, and then performed perfect landing.
According to Dr. Ivan Sanderson, who studied the artifacts, these look too "mechanical" like an airplane, to be a natural object. Other similar objects have been discovered in Costa Rica, Venezuela and Peru. Who used these planes in prehistoric times?

[chattanova]

CRYSTAL SKULL UNEARTHED AT THE ANCIENT MAYAN CITY OF LUBAANTUM

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"...a human size and shaped, clear quartz skull, 11.7 lbs, two pieces with a separate jaw, discovered in Lubaantum (now Belize) in 1924 in the ruins of a Mayan City by F. A. Mitchell-Hedges. This skull is currently near Toronto, Canada with Anna Mitchell-Hedges, his adopted daughter. The skull is an almost absolute copy of our own human skull except it is circular in the temples and has a handle like form in the cheekbones. When the skull is not activated, it is clear as glass. ANCIENT" - an opinion of Joshua Shapiro, the Crystal Skull Explorer. The most known crystal skull is called the Mitchell-Hedges Skull. It's particularly famous because it's very similar in form to a modern human skull. Scientists still do not know how the skull was constructed and who made it. The Mitchell-Hedges skull is made of clear quartz crystal and both cranium and mandible appear to originate from the same solid block. It is almost an anatomically accurate replica of a human skull. The cranial measurements of other crystal skulls are definitely not the same as present human skulls.

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[chattanova]

500,000 YEAR OLD SPARK PLUG KNOWN AS THE COSO ARTIFACT

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Was unearthed in the Coso Mountains, California, while looking for unusual rocks. One of these pieces of rock contained inside remains of some kind of device. Beneath the outer layer of hardened clay, pebbles and fossil inclusions was a hexagonal shaped layer of a substance resembling wood, softer than agate or jasper. This layer formed a casing around a three-quarter inch wide cylinder made of solid white porcelain or ceramic, and in the center of the cylinder is a two millimeter shaft of shiny metal core, about .08 inch (2 millimeters) in diameter. Also, surrounding the ceramic cylinder are rings of copper, mostly corroded. Embedded too in the rock, though separate from the cylinder, are two more man-made items - what look like a nail and a washer. The rock, in which the artifact resembling a spark plug was found, was dated to about 500,000 year old. Those who manufactured this artifact had to possess an advanced technology.

[chattanova]

METALLIC SPHERES OF SOUTH AFRICA FOUND IN A MINERAL DEPOSIT 2.8 BILLION YEARS OLD

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M.Cremo wrote in his great book "The hidden history of the human race" about spheres: "Over the past several decades, South African miners have found hundreds of metallic spheres, at least one of which has three parallel grooves running around its equator."

The spheres are of two types - "one of solid bluish metal with white flecks, and another which is a hollow ball filled with a white spongy center" (Jimison 1982).


Roelf Marx, curator of the museum of Klerksdorp, South Africa, where some of the spheres are housed, said: "The spheres are a complete mystery. They look man-made, yet at the time in Earth's history when they came to rest in this rock no intelligent life existed. They´e nothing like I have ever seen before." "There is nothing scientific published about the globes, but the facts are: They are found in pyrophyllite, which is mined near the little town of Ottosdal in the Western Transvaal. This pyrophyllite (Al2Si4O10(OH)2) is a quite soft secondary mineral with a count of only 3 on the Mohs' scale and was formed by sedimentation about 2.8 billion years ago. On the other hand the globes, which have a fibrous structure on the inside with a shell around it, are very hard and cannot be scratched, even by steel."

The Mohs' scale of hardness is named after Friedrich Mohs, who chose ten minerals as references points for comparative hardness, with talc the softest and diamond the hardest (Roelf Marx, September 12, 1984).

According to the opinions of scientists the spheres are "limonite concretions" Limonite is a kind of iron ore...."A concretion is a compact, rounded rock mass formed by localized cementation around a nucleus. (M.Cremo)"


But there is a one "small" problem... with limonite concretions. They are not particular hard (only 4 to 5.5 on the Mohs`scale of hardness), but the spheres are extremely hard.... Moreover limonite concretions appear in groups and not in perfectly round and isolated objects like puzzling spheres do... Another problem is that one of the spheres has three perfect parallel grooves around it. No natural explanation has been found for that. Conclusion: the object has to be man made.

[chattanova]

SPIRAL-SHAPED MICRO-OBJECTS FOUND IN RUSSIA

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In the years 1991-1993, gold prospectors on the small river Narada, on the eastern side of the Ural mountains, have found unusual, mostly spiral-shaped objects. The size of these things ranges from a maximum of 3 cm (1.2 in.) down to an incredible 0.003 mm, about 1/10,000th of an inch! To date, these inexplicable artifacts have been found in their thousands at various sites near the rivers Narada, Kozhim, and Balbanyu, and also by two smaller streams named Vtvisty and Lapkhevozh, mostly at depths between 3 and 12 meters (10 and 40 ft.)
The spiral-form objects are composed of various metals: the larger ones are of copper, while the small and very small ones are of the rare metals tungsten and molybdenum. Tungsten has a high atomic weight, and is also very dense, with a melting point of 3410 deg. C (6100 deg. F). It is used principally for the hardening of special steels, and in unalloyed form for the filaments of light bulbs. Molybdenum also has a high density, and a respectable melting point of 2650 deg. C (4740 deg. F). This metal too is used for hardening steels and giving them corrosion-resistant properties, these being used principally for highly-stressed weapon parts and vehicle armor. What was the purpose of these objects? All tests carried out to date give an age for the objects of between 20,000 and 318,000 years, depending on the depth and the situation of the site.
But even if it was only a mere 2,000 or 20,000 years, we are faced with the inevitable question: who, of all the people in the world, was at that time capable of creating such superfine micro-filigree objects, something which our own technology is only now just beginning to achieve?

OLD SCREW FROM NEVADA
A two-inch metal screw was discovered in a piece of feldspar from the Abbey Mine in Treasure City, Nevada, in 1865. It is supposedly millions of years old.

[spacegurl]

This is really a fascinating thread.

[bazzybazzy]

yeh this is a brilliant thread! i wonder why they don't write about these in school books?

[lightbeing]

Yeah, great thread Chattanova:)

This points to the history we got taught in schools is BOLLOCKS, we've been here before and done it all!:eek::rolleyes:

I want to see inside the rectangle chamber beneath the Sphinx in Egypt, this I think has all the knowledge of our pre history, Atlantis etc..............:)

[chattanova]

:)Yes this truly changes all the crap we've been served over the years:mad:
Amazing how the real past have been like:eek: Some real brainiacs back then...
This also relates to the other thread Ancient Atomic Warfare 10,000 BC
http://www.davidicke.com/forum/showthread.php?t=10928

[chattanova]

MILLION-YEARS OLD METALLIC TUBE UNEARTHED

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This semi-ovoid metallic tube was dug out of inside a block of coal of 65-million-year-old Cretaceous chalk in France in 1885.

It had to be made by an intelligent beings. So long ago humans were not present on Earth. Who could be a producer of such a tube? Of course only very advanced extraterrestrial civilization could handle this kind of technology.

http://www.ufoarea.com/main_relics4.html

[chattanova]

FOSSILIZED HUMAN HANDPRINT

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This fossil which corresponds perfectly to a human handprint shows astounding detail. It was found in Cretaceous rock in the same layer where also dinosaur footprints were discovered. Age- about 110 million years old. The handprint is so specific that it displays impressions of the thumbnail, impressions of the tissue webbing between the thumb and index finger, and the impression left by penetration of the middle finger into the mud.

http://www.ufoarea.com/main_relics6.html

[chattanova]

THE GIANT PRINT

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A giant fossilized footprint, embedded in solid granite was found in Gowers Mountain, Cleveland National Forest. Granite is estimated to have formed over 1 billion years ago.

http://www.ufoarea.com/main_relics7.html

[chattanova]

BRONZE WHEELS (GEARS) OF PERU

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These Peru bronze wheels, described by professor Rafael Larco Hoyle in his work "Peru" must be very old. Why nobody is interested in their old history, their origin? They resemble very much modern gears.

http://www.ufoarea.com/main_relics8.html

[chattanova]

FOSSILIZED HAND

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Fossilized human hand discovered in Bogota (Columbia), belonging to Gutierrez collection. The rock which contains it is 100-130 millions of years old.

http://www.ufoarea.com/main_relics9.html

[chattanova]

FIGURINES OF DINOSAURS

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In 1945 Waldemar Julsrud, a German immigrant and an experienced archeologist, discovered some little clay statues, buried at the foot of El Toro Mountain, near Acambaro, Guanajuato, in Mexico. Near El Toro and at the other side of the town, in the vicinity of Mount Chivo, more than 33,000 figurines made of porcelain were discovered. Similar relics found nearby were associated to the Chupicuaro pre-classical Chupicuaro Culture (800 BC to 200 AD). The figurines are representations of various species of dinosaurs, which are believed to have disappeared 65 millions years ago. The authenticity of Julsrud's large collection was challenged. Many archeologists believe dinosaurs have been extinct for the past 65 million years and man knowledge of them has been limited to the past 200 years. If this is true, man could not possibly have seen and modeled them 2,500 years ago.

http://www.ufoarea.com/main_relics9.html

[chattanova]

THE COSTA RICA SPHERES

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The spheres are exactly round and their size varies from a few inches to over 8 feet in diameter. They can be found anywhere. They are composed of solid granodiorite; a very hard igneous rock. The mysterious artifacts were cut, trimmed and then polished...and they are man-made but by whom? Such artifact is a never-ending problem in the scientific community. Whenever an anomalous artifact is unearthed that do not fit the traditional picture, it is very often explained as a work of nature. Can "nature" produce so many such perfectly round-shaped spheres?

http://www.ufoarea.com/main_relics10.html

[chattanova]

11 Pages Of True History (AMAZING)

http://www.ufoarea.com/main_relics.html

[hagbard_celine]

Yeah, great thread Chattanova:)

This points to the history we got taught in schools is BOLLOCKS, we've been here before and done it all!:eek::rolleyes:

I want to see inside the rectangle chamber beneath the Sphinx in Egypt, this I think has all the knowledge of our pre history, Atlantis etc..............:)

It's interesting that the word "history" contains the words "hi" and "story". "Hi" can mean "high" as in terms like "hi-fi". A synonym of high is tall. So "history" becomes "tall story". :cool:;)

[chattanova]

It's interesting that the word "history" contains the words "hi" and "story". "Hi" can mean "high" as in terms like "hi-fi". A synonym of high is tall. So "history" becomes "tall story". :cool:;)

Or Hi(Jacked) Story :rolleyes::)

[veritas2007]

11 Pages Of True History (AMAZING)

http://www.ufoarea.com/main_relics.html

Interestingly, on page 7 is this:

http://img258.imageshack.us/img258/8128/reprocketsf5.jpg

Looks like a reptile holding a rocket to me :eek:

[challand]

I'm currently making my way threw 'Children of the Matrix'. It's amazing! I just got back from a concert in Lousiville and I spent the entire way down and the entire way back reading outloud from it to my girlfriend who hardly has a interest in things of this nature... lol I started reading from it jokingly and she got interested and kept asking me to go on. hehe

Anywho'! It's obvious the human race is much, much older than we think... I'd venture to say certainly not thousands... probably more like millions.

Edit: BTW! Thanks a ton for all the amazing information Chat! Verrrrrrrrry interesting thread. I read about some of these things in Children of the Matrix, such as the tube inbedded in the coal.

[chattanova]

I'm currently making my way threw 'Children of the Matrix'. It's amazing! I just got back from a concert in Lousiville and I spent the entire way down and the entire way back reading outloud from it to my girlfriend who hardly has a interest in things of this nature... lol I started reading from it jokingly and she got interested and kept asking me to go on. hehe

Anywho'! It's obvious the human race is much, much older than we think... I'd venture to say certainly not thousands... probably more like millions.

Edit: BTW! Thanks a ton for all the amazing information Chat! Verrrrrrrrry interesting thread. I read about some of these things in Children of the Matrix, such as the tube inbedded in the coal.

Thanks challand. I'm also reading 'children of the matrix' at the moment, that's what inspired me to this thread. The book is awesome and so are this:)

[celtic isis]

Yeah, great thread Chattanova:)

This points to the history we got taught in schools is BOLLOCKS, we've been here before and done it all!:eek::rolleyes:

I want to see inside the rectangle chamber beneath the Sphinx in Egypt, this I think has all the knowledge of our pre history, Atlantis etc..............:)

nuff said :) it all makes sense now doesn't it.

brilliant thread chatt! so well put together :)

also you might like this linky...

http://www.crystalinks.com/ancientaircraft.html

ancient gravings found in pyramid depicting modern flying craft...

[chattanova]

nuff said :) it all makes sense now doesn't it.

brilliant thread chatt! so well put together :)

also you might like this linky...

http://www.crystalinks.com/ancientaircraft.html

ancient gravings found in pyramid depicting modern flying craft...

Thanx celtic, that is absolutley Helicopters & submarines, what else can it be:confused:
This really changes the history doesnt it?
Well at least for us:) Crazy:)

[celtic isis]

I'm currently making my way threw 'Children of the Matrix'. It's amazing! I just got back from a concert in Lousiville and I spent the entire way down and the entire way back reading outloud from it to my girlfriend who hardly has a interest in things of this nature... lol I started reading from it jokingly and she got interested and kept asking me to go on. hehe
Anywho'! It's obvious the human race is much, much older than we think... I'd venture to say certainly not thousands... probably more like millions.

Edit: BTW! Thanks a ton for all the amazing information Chat! Verrrrrrrrry interesting thread. I read about some of these things in Children of the Matrix, such as the tube inbedded in the coal.

kool challand :D

i deffo believe that we came from the stars, that someone came and seeded us.

bloody hell i better get me children of the matrix! i haven't got it up to now cause i knew it would blow me away if i did read it...i try and focus on more earthly things in nature (more boring ;)) just purely to awaken the sheeple to the more obvious stuff...but this is so shocking it might even work better!
how can anyone deny evidence like this, these artefacts, i mean there are countless artefacts showing where we came from...

http://www.crystalinks.com/godspocketbooks.html

scroll down to see the little rep alien he's too cute lol

[celtic isis]

Thanx celtic, that is absolutley Helicopters & submarines, what else can it be:confused:
This really changes the history doesnt it?
Well at least for us:) Crazy:)

i know :)

first time i found that link i was like this :eek: hehe
it proves it!!!

[celtic isis]

greetings lol :D


http://aycu31.webshots.com/image/33990/2005590282984172771_rs.jpg (http://allyoucanupload.webshots.com/v/2005590282984172771)

[chattanova]

greetings lol :D


http://aycu31.webshots.com/image/33990/2005590282984172771_rs.jpg (http://allyoucanupload.webshots.com/v/2005590282984172771)

LoL cutebomb :):)

[celtic isis]

LoL cutebomb :):)

haha cutebomb!

he is cute though isn't he, though if i saw him i'd...nevermind :eek:

i'd be really really really scared lol

omg the greys/grays freak me out, i don't like them lol

there's tonnes of stuff on that link, omg it's info overload!

[celtic isis]

omg this is really too freaky...:eek:

scroll down at this link, the same link with the alien but see how everything fits together...

the omega project...all the symbolism, all linking in to eachother...the serpent symbolism, snakes twining around a rod is DNA...

http://aycu04.webshots.com/image/33523/2005472101250287793_rs.jpg (http://allyoucanupload.webshots.com/v/2005472101250287793)

Figurines, Lizard-headed or Ubaid Style, clay, Ur (Ubaid culture), 5th millenium BCE, h:13.6 cm From the Ubaid, Southern Mesopotamian Period, 5000 BCE4000 BCE Found in Ur. The Ubaid culture succeeded the Halaf at the end of the 6th millenium BCE in southern Iraq, then spread throughout Mesopotamia. Ubaid culture is known for painted pottery; large houses of tripartite plan for extended families; and lizard-headed figurines of both male and female gender. Figurines such as the above examples are typical.

The figure on the left holds a baby on her hip and suckles it. The figure on the right has incised stretch marks on her abdomen. It has been suggested that the brown-painted dots and lines represent tatoos, and the clay pellets scarring. It is unknown if the shape of the skulls represents actual head-binding.Similar Lizard-headed figurines have been found at Eridu. Collon, Dominique. Ancient Near Eastern Art. Berkeley: University of California Press, 1995, pg 46.

http://aycu33.webshots.com/image/32792/2005443552711133315_rs.jpg (http://allyoucanupload.webshots.com/v/2005443552711133315)

11:11 Vertical Pupils - Balance


http://aycu19.webshots.com/image/33498/2005471402973003206_rs.jpg (http://allyoucanupload.webshots.com/v/2005471402973003206)

All Seeing Eye
Isis, Iris, Pupil, Rods and Cones, Masonic Symbolism





http://aycu04.webshots.com/image/33523/2005405886336180676_rs.jpg (http://allyoucanupload.webshots.com/v/2005405886336180676)


Caduceus Rod of Hermes, DNA





http://aycu03.webshots.com/image/32802/2005479612441173064_rs.jpg (http://allyoucanupload.webshots.com/v/2005479612441173064)


Alchemy


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Lyra of Hermes

Using the Rod to Slay the Dragon



http://aycu33.webshots.com/image/32792/2005487856810954748_rs.jpg (http://allyoucanupload.webshots.com/v/2005487856810954748)

Omega Project, Ending the Human DNA Experiment, Leo, Lion


i hope it's worth the uploading lol :o:D

[celtic isis]

PREHISTORIC AIRPLANES FROM SOUTH AMERICA

http://img34.picoodle.com/img/img34/9/10/10/f_colombiaairm_f336bb9.jpg

http://img27.picoodle.com/img/img27/9/10/10/f_colombiaairm_7a97efc.jpg

http://img35.picoodle.com/img/img35/9/10/10/f_colombiaairm_14c9f22.jpg



they are too kool and shocking!

[chattanova]

omg this is really too freaky...:eek:

scroll down at this link, the same link with the alien but see how everything fits together...

the omega project...all the symbolism, all linking in to eachother...the serpent symbolism, snakes twining around a rod is DNA...



Figurines, Lizard-headed or Ubaid Style, clay, Ur (Ubaid culture), 5th millenium BCE, h:13.6 cm From the Ubaid, Southern Mesopotamian Period, 5000 BCE4000 BCE Found in Ur. The Ubaid culture succeeded the Halaf at the end of the 6th millenium BCE in southern Iraq, then spread throughout Mesopotamia. Ubaid culture is known for painted pottery; large houses of tripartite plan for extended families; and lizard-headed figurines of both male and female gender. Figurines such as the above examples are typical.

The figure on the left holds a baby on her hip and suckles it. The figure on the right has incised stretch marks on her abdomen. It has been suggested that the brown-painted dots and lines represent tatoos, and the clay pellets scarring. It is unknown if the shape of the skulls represents actual head-binding.Similar Lizard-headed figurines have been found at Eridu. Collon, Dominique. Ancient Near Eastern Art. Berkeley: University of California Press, 1995, pg 46.

http://aycu33.webshots.com/image/32792/2005443552711133315_rs.jpg (http://allyoucanupload.webshots.com/v/2005443552711133315)

11:11 Vertical Pupils - Balance


All Seeing Eye
Isis, Iris, Pupil, Rods and Cones, Masonic Symbolism





http://aycu04.webshots.com/image/33523/2005405886336180676_rs.jpg (http://allyoucanupload.webshots.com/v/2005405886336180676)


Caduceus Rod of Hermes, DNA





http://aycu03.webshots.com/image/32802/2005479612441173064_rs.jpg (http://allyoucanupload.webshots.com/v/2005479612441173064)


Alchemy


http://aycu14.webshots.com/image/32253/2004227973401108888_rs.jpg (http://allyoucanupload.webshots.com/v/2004227973401108888)http://

Lyra of Hermes

Using the Rod to Slay the Dragon




Omega Project, Ending the Human DNA Experiment, Leo, Lion


i hope it's worth the uploading lol :o:D

Definitly worth it:) Thanks for hard work celtic;), I would like too see this in the history book's, guess thats never going to happen. .
Yes i see the dna connection, hah this gets more and more absurd the more I go into it:eek:

[celtic isis]

Definitly worth it:) Thanks for hard work celtic;), I would like too see this in the history book's, guess thats never going to happen. .
Yes i see the dna connection, hah this gets more and more absurd the more I go into it:eek:

haha i'd only do it for you! ;)

yep, i didn't realise it was the DNA connection...it makes more sense now. ? lol you're more confused! i probably read it already with icke but i forget there's so much stuff he says!

[chattanova]

Nepal

http://img26.picoodle.com/img/img26/6/11/3/f_lolladoffplm_7cf5c5a.jpg

7,000 B.C. - The Lolladoff plate, discovered in Nepal, appears to show a hovering disk-shaped object in the center and a small being, resembling an alien resembling an alien gray, beside it. The circular pattern is reminescent of the spiraling movement of consciousness - Golden Ratio - Sacred Geometry of creation.

[chattanova]

Italy

http://img27.picoodle.com/img/img27/6/11/3/f_ancientastrm_21883f1.jpg



This cave painting is c.10,000 BC and is from Val Camonica, Italy.
It appears to depict two beings in protective suits holding strange implements.

[chattanova]

Kiev

http://img03.picoodle.com/img/img03/6/11/3/f_ufokievm_93dfdcf.jpg

Strange suited figure found in Kiev. It dates to ca. 4,000 BC.

[chattanova]

Africa

http://img37.picoodle.com/img/img37/6/11/3/f_ufo6000m_7f835ee.jpg

6000 BC from Tassili, Sahara Desert, North Africa.

[chattanova]

Tanzania

http://img27.picoodle.com/img/img27/6/11/3/f_ufotanzia1m_a9e128a.jpg

http://img39.picoodle.com/img/img39/6/11/3/f_ufotanzia2m_3d5e6f9.jpg

Two cave paintings from Tanzania. Both are estimated to be up to 29,000 years old. The one on the left is located in Itolo and depicts several disc shaped objects. The other painting is from Kolo shows four entities surrounding a women. Notice also the entity looking down from inside some sort of box or object.

[chattanova]

Australia

http://img01.picoodle.com/img/img01/6/11/3/f_wandjina1m_3c69d2a.jpg

http://img32.picoodle.com/img/img32/6/11/3/f_wandjina2m_b4e7a07.jpg

http://img32.picoodle.com/img/img32/6/11/3/f_wandjina3m_e132dd4.jpg

Wandjina petroglyphs from Kimberley, Australia.
About 5,000 years old and may represent alien beings.

[chattanova]

http://img33.picoodle.com/img/img33/6/11/3/f_ufosummerm_b0b3b3f.jpg

This is a tapestry called Summer's Triumph It was created in Bruges in 1538 and presently resides at the Bayerisches National Museum. You can clearly see several disc shaped objects in the top of the tapestry.

[chattanova]

http://img02.picoodle.com/img/img02/6/11/3/f_ufocoinbigm_2113af8.jpg

In France there was a coin minted in 1680 that shows a hovering disc shaped UFO with what appears to be port holes or lights around the outer rim. Due to the fact that a coin was minted depicting this UFO.

[chattanova]

Germany

http://img01.picoodle.com/img/img01/6/11/3/f_ufowheelsgem_fa77db1.jpg

This picture shows a UFO sighting over Hamburg, Germany
The objects were described as 'two glowing wheels' -
November 4, 1697

[chattanova]

UFO'S in Religious Art

http://img36.picoodle.com/img/img36/6/11/3/f_ufomosesm_7c0d56a.jpg



In this painting found on a wood drawer from furniture kept at the Earls D'Oltremond, in Belgium, Moses is depicted receiving the tablets of the Ten Commandments, with "flaming horns." Several equally flaming objects are in the sky before him. The date and artist are unknown.

[chattanova]

http://img29.picoodle.com/img/img29/6/11/3/f_ufojesus2m_a88a47d.jpg

"The Baptism of Christ"

A disk shaped object is shining beams of light down on John the Baptist and Jesus - Fitzwilliam Musuem, Cambridge, England - Painted in 1710 by Flemish artist Aert De Gelder. It depicts a classic, hovering, silvery, saucer shaped UFO shining beams of light down on John the Baptist and Jesus. What could have inspired the artist to combine these two subjects?

[chattanova]

MARY

http://img01.picoodle.com/img/img01/6/11/3/f_ufomadonnam_6b5623e.jpg

A fourteenth century fresco of the Madonna and Child depict on the top right side the image of a UFO hovering in the distance. A blow up of this fresco reveals tremendous details about this UFO including port holes. It seems to indicate a religious involvement between UFO's and the appearance of the Christ Child.

http://img02.picoodle.com/img/img02/6/11/3/f_maryufoclosm_9869113.jpg

This painting is called "The Madonna with Saint Giovannino". It was painted in the 15th century by Domenico Ghirlandaio (1449-1494) and hangs as part of the Loeser collection in the Palazzo Vecchio. Above Mary's right shoulder is a disk shaped object. Below is a blow up of this section and a man and his dog can clearly be seen looking up at the object.

[chattanova]

"The Assumption of the Virgin"

http://img03.picoodle.com/img/img03/6/11/3/f_assumption1m_3ca9b4a.jpg



Painted circa 1490 by an unknown artist.

Saucer shaped "clouds" intrigue modern ufologists. Could so many have appeared in the sky at one time? Or, are the hat shaped UFOs depicted so numerous here to -punctuate- certain events as being particularly holy?

[chattanova]

The Life Of Mary - 14th Century Tapestries

http://img36.picoodle.com/img/img36/6/11/3/f_maryufo1m_a6c247d.jpg
1330


http://img27.picoodle.com/img/img27/6/11/3/f_maryufo2m_c6f6d13.jpg
'The Magnificent' - Notre-Dame in Beaune, Burgandy

[chattanova]

http://img01.picoodle.com/img/img01/6/11/3/f_ufomaryheadm_970af15.jpg


The painting above was done by Carlo Crivelli (1430-1495) and is called "The Annunciation with Saint Emidius" (1486) and hangs in the National Gallery, London. A disk shaped object is shining a pencil beam of light down into Mary's crown chakra. A blow up of the object is next to the painting.

[celtic isis]

Australia

http://img01.picoodle.com/img/img01/6/11/3/f_wandjina1m_3c69d2a.jpg

http://img32.picoodle.com/img/img32/6/11/3/f_wandjina2m_b4e7a07.jpg

http://img32.picoodle.com/img/img32/6/11/3/f_wandjina3m_e132dd4.jpg

Wandjina petroglyphs from Kimberley, Australia.
About 5,000 years old and may represent alien beings.

good work chatt :) i mean looking at all those pics it's starting to get a little obvious where we came from :)

interesting how we never see this stuff in normal mainstream educational books...ah you just reminded me of a place close to here (valley of wonders) where there is an ancient painting of what could be some kind of alien too...he's called "the sorcerer" the magician but still could be an alien ...possibly???

i'll see if i can find it :)

i'm on a mac and not used to it tonight lol so bear with me :o

[celtic isis]

"The Assumption of the Virgin"

http://img03.picoodle.com/img/img03/6/11/3/f_assumption1m_3ca9b4a.jpg



Painted circa 1490 by an unknown artist.

Saucer shaped "clouds" intrigue modern ufologists. Could so many have appeared in the sky at one time? Or, are the hat shaped UFOs depicted so numerous here to -punctuate- certain events as being particularly holy?

well done chatt, we're astounded looking at these paintings! :eek:

[chattanova]

well done chatt, we're astounded looking at these paintings! :eek:

Thx:):) Yes, It's pretty obvious that it is ''flying saucers''(---lol I hate that word:p). Looks like an invasion, could maybe be big bugs/insects too but I go for the ufo's:cool:

EDIT: No, fuck the insects, It definitly are UFO'S !

[hagbard_celine]

Thx:):) Yes, It's pretty obvious that it is ''flying saucers''(---lol I hate that word:p). Looks like an invasion, could maybe be big bugs/insects too but I go for the ufo's:cool:

EDIT: No, fuck the insects, It definitly are UFO'S !

Good find!:)

Who said "UFO's are only something that's been around since the 1940's"?:rolleyes::rolleyes::rolleyes:

People have been reporting UFO encounters for as long as they've been able to without being burned as witches or locked in a lunatic asylum!

[celtic isis]

EDIT: No, fuck the insects, It definitly are UFO'S !

haha!

well all the family were around looking at your thread here last night and all agree :) fascinating stuff!

so my dear...i found a link (in french :o) it will do for now lol about the valley/mountain range (french Alps) near here with all the drawings carved into the rocks...


http://fr.wikipedia.org/wiki/Vall%C3%A9e_des_Merveilles

i'm looking for a good link in english! interesting pics...

http://aycu06.webshots.com/image/33485/2001615343240610454_rs.jpg (http://allyoucanupload.webshots.com/v/2001615343240610454)

http://aycu16.webshots.com/image/35815/2001683458140397393_rs.jpg (http://allyoucanupload.webshots.com/v/2001683458140397393)

Christ figure with 3 eyes...

http://aycu19.webshots.com/image/34978/2001695462822739158_rs.jpg (http://allyoucanupload.webshots.com/v/2001695462822739158)


http://aycu06.webshots.com/image/33485/2001666642925299835_rs.jpg (http://allyoucanupload.webshots.com/v/2001666642925299835)

here's one site in english lol cute site

http://www.tende-tourism.com/

http://aycu06.webshots.com/image/35685/2002633075859929998_rs.jpg (http://allyoucanupload.webshots.com/v/2002633075859929998)
it's so beautiful!

[celtic isis]

ok found this link with background to the valley...

http://query.nytimes.com/gst/fullpage.html?res=9E0CE1DF1038F936A35757C0A9649582 60&sec=&spon=&pagewanted=all

Certain motifs recur throughout the valley. Most common are horned animals, probably bovine, with long, imposing horns, U-shaped or sometimes twisted -- indicative, perhaps, of the ancient cult of the bull that flourished around the Mediterranean basin. Sometimes pictures show a yoked team and apparent plow, thought to be fertility cult symbols. Researchers have uncovered no trace either of bovine animals or agriculture in this high, barren valley, supporting the theory that this was a place to invoke divine protection for the crops and livestock raised in the valleys below.

Numerous pictures show weapons and tools -- daggers, axes, scythes. Oval or oblong shapes, filled in with crisscrossed lines, are thought to represent enclosures for livestock, or perhaps land divided into different holdings, or possibly the earth itself. There are also suns, stars and spirals. Anthropomorphic figures, some of which are very striking, are relatively rare among all the rest. Despite Mrs. Baringo's attempts to direct us to one of the valley's most famous anthropomorphic figures, we did not find it, though we discovered plenty of other petroglyphs.

Departing from the trail, he led us first to the figure dubbed the Sorcerer (le Sorcier), a bearded face with hands erect above its head, brandishing a pair of daggers -- an image of primal force. Another, popularly called le Christ or le Mage Christiform, has the broad forehead, narrow jaw and beard of some conventional images of Christ, but this pagan character has three eyes. We were unable to see the Chief of the Tribe (le Chef de Tribu), which was concealed under a deep snowbank. Reproductions of it show a complete figure, feet turned inward and fingers spread apart. Over the chest hangs a sort of bag or ornament, and there appears to be a large dagger fixed into the head.

Nearly all the human figures seem to have some priestly appearance -- images perhaps of those who addressed the gods. But why these daggers, brandished or protruding from the head? Was there a rite involving human sacrifice? We had already noticed the prevalence of dagger images; during the centuries when the engravings were made, metal came increasingly into use. Perhaps the metal blade, embodying new degrees of power, itself became the object of a cult. Archeologists puzzle over these questions.

[chattanova]

haha!

well all the family were around looking at your thread here last night and all agree :) fascinating stuff!

so my dear...i found a link (in french :o) it will do for now lol about the valley/mountain range (french Alps) near here with all the drawings carved into the rocks...


http://fr.wikipedia.org/wiki/Vall%C3%A9e_des_Merveilles

i'm looking for a good link in english! interesting pics...

Christ figure with 3 eyes...


here's one site in english lol cute site

http://www.tende-tourism.com/

http://aycu06.webshots.com/image/35685/2002633075859929998_rs.jpg (http://allyoucanupload.webshots.com/v/2002633075859929998)
it's so beautiful!

Thats just a brilliant idea celtic:) A really convincing method to use at those not so familiar with all this stuff, cause this is all mindblowing:eek::)

Very interesting carvings, Im pretty sure almost all these carvings found at different locations all tells the same story, but maybe a bit hidden story somethimes..

Like the one there with the arms in the sky etc.

http://img32.picoodle.com/img/img32/5/11/18/f_albpanoramim_08aa14e.jpg

OMFG what a beautiful place !!!

[chattanova]

ok found this link with background to the valley...

http://query.nytimes.com/gst/fullpage.html?res=9E0CE1DF1038F936A35757C0A9649582 60&sec=&spon=&pagewanted=all

Certain motifs recur throughout the valley. Most common are horned animals, probably bovine, with long, imposing horns, U-shaped or sometimes twisted -- indicative, perhaps, of the ancient cult of the bull that flourished around the Mediterranean basin. Sometimes pictures show a yoked team and apparent plow, thought to be fertility cult symbols. Researchers have uncovered no trace either of bovine animals or agriculture in this high, barren valley, supporting the theory that this was a place to invoke divine protection for the crops and livestock raised in the valleys below.

Numerous pictures show weapons and tools -- daggers, axes, scythes. Oval or oblong shapes, filled in with crisscrossed lines, are thought to represent enclosures for livestock, or perhaps land divided into different holdings, or possibly the earth itself. There are also suns, stars and spirals. Anthropomorphic figures, some of which are very striking, are relatively rare among all the rest. Despite Mrs. Baringo's attempts to direct us to one of the valley's most famous anthropomorphic figures, we did not find it, though we discovered plenty of other petroglyphs.

Departing from the trail, he led us first to the figure dubbed the Sorcerer (le Sorcier), a bearded face with hands erect above its head, brandishing a pair of daggers -- an image of primal force. Another, popularly called le Christ or le Mage Christiform, has the broad forehead, narrow jaw and beard of some conventional images of Christ, but this pagan character has three eyes. We were unable to see the Chief of the Tribe (le Chef de Tribu), which was concealed under a deep snowbank. Reproductions of it show a complete figure, feet turned inward and fingers spread apart. Over the chest hangs a sort of bag or ornament, and there appears to be a large dagger fixed into the head.

Nearly all the human figures seem to have some priestly appearance -- images perhaps of those who addressed the gods. But why these daggers, brandished or protruding from the head? Was there a rite involving human sacrifice? We had already noticed the prevalence of dagger images; during the centuries when the engravings were made, metal came increasingly into use. Perhaps the metal blade, embodying new degrees of power, itself became the object of a cult. Archeologists puzzle over these questions.

Yes, alot of stuff must have happened here, as the names on these locations:eek:

....Why else would a mountain be named the peak of the devil (la Cime du Diable)? Why lakes of the devil (les Lacs du Diable) or a vale of hell (le Vallon d'Enfer)?.....

http://query.nytimes.com/gst/fullpage.html?res=9E0CE1DF1038F936A35757C0A9649582 60&sec=&spon=&pagewanted=all



thanks for posting this celtic;):)

[celtic isis]

Yes, alot of stuff must have happened here, as the names on these locations:eek:



thanks for posting this celtic;):)

no probs chatt :) i could've visited there one time and didn't doh! i'm too much of a princess nowadays lol all that cold washing and sleeping with 1O people to a room lol...nah not my style now lol :o:p

[chattanova]

This can also very much belong to ancient unknown history, a newly discovered enormous object coming to a light as the ice melts at Greenland!

It is 79,83 kilometers/49,61 miles long.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=iusq6j8cG1o

see the whole thread here http://www.davidicke.com/forum/showthread.php?t=15156

[shellygurrrl]

I like these:

http://www.mars-earth.com/ancient/british_museum/artifacts/image53.html
http://www.mars-earth.com/ancient/british_museum/artifacts/image02.html
http://www.alienshift.com/sitebuildercontent/sitebuilderpictures/EgyptAliens.jpg
http://www.ufocasebook.com/alienartifacts.html

There's no other explanation as to why all these completely different unrelated cultures would create similar art unless alien existence were true.

My question now is whether the aliens come from a different dimension, from other galaxies/planets, or both?

[chattanova]

I like these:

http://www.mars-earth.com/ancient/british_museum/artifacts/image53.html
http://www.mars-earth.com/ancient/british_museum/artifacts/image02.html
http://www.alienshift.com/sitebuildercontent/sitebuilderpictures/EgyptAliens.jpg
http://www.ufocasebook.com/alienartifacts.html

There's no other explanation as to why all these completely different unrelated cultures would create similar art unless alien existence were true.

My question now is whether the aliens come from a different dimension, from other galaxies/planets, or both?

Nice links shellygurrrl:) And I totally agree with your question.

[celtic isis]

I like these:

http://www.mars-earth.com/ancient/british_museum/artifacts/image53.html
http://www.mars-earth.com/ancient/british_museum/artifacts/image02.html
http://www.alienshift.com/sitebuildercontent/sitebuilderpictures/EgyptAliens.jpg
http://www.ufocasebook.com/alienartifacts.html

There's no other explanation as to why all these completely different unrelated cultures would create similar art unless alien existence were true.
My question now is whether the aliens come from a different dimension, from other galaxies/planets, or both?

i agree too shellygurrrl it's so obvious isn't it. :)

alas none of us can answer your question...yet ;) It's hard to know whether they came from different galaxies or planets or from a different dimension. Either way we are their project, earth is like Eden, the alien's garden. I heard that recently and thought it was kool lol

[crazed]

Truly mind opening thread! Thanks a lot chattanova!

[brian]

http://apod.nasa.gov/apod/ap021016.html

http://apod.nasa.gov/apod/image/0210/oklo15_curtin.jpg

" The remnants of nuclear reactors nearly two billion years old were found in the 1970s in Africa. These reactors are thought to have occurred naturally. No natural reactors exist today, as the relative density of fissile uranium has now decayed below that needed for a sustainable reaction. Pictured above is Fossil Reactor 15, located in Oklo, Gabon. Uranium oxide remains are visible as the yellowish rock. Oklo by-products are being used today to probe the stability of the fundamental constants over cosmological time-scales and to develop more effective means for disposing of human-manufactured nuclear waste."


Discover Magazine - http://discovermagazine.com/2005/feb/natures-nuclear-reactor0204 (http://discovermagazine.com/2005/feb/natures-nuclear-reactor0204)

t took humans until the 20th century to build a nuclear reactor. Mother Nature, on the other hand, built one that turned itself off and on, stored its waste, never threatened a meltdown—and did it 2 billion years ago.

Physicists analyzing a tiny sample of this ancient georeactor—discovered in the African country of Gabon in 1972—have now determined how it worked. Alexander Meshik at Washington University in Saint Louis and his colleagues conclude that river water trickling into uranium-rich bedrock acted like the control rods in a modern reactor, increasing the efficiency of fission and causing the uranium to produce a chain reaction. The reaction released heat that boiled the water. Once all the water was gone, the fission fizzled out, preventing a meltdown. Gradually, more water trickled in and the process started anew.

By analyzing how xenon (a radioactive by-product of the reaction) was trapped in the rock as it periodically cooled, Meshik’s team could measure the timing of this ancient nuclear cycle. For 150 million years the reactor switched on for 30 minutes every couple of hours or so. “What’s amazing is that it was exactly 30 minutes—not 25, not 35,” Meshik says. Grains of a natural compound called alumophosphate had sequestered the xenon waste for eons without leaks. Eventually so much of the original uranium decayed that the reactor shut down for good. The whole process confirms that the laws of nuclear physics worked just the same 2 billion years ago as they do today. Now we just need to match nature’s finesse.


Check that stuff out. This existence is truly an amazing one. There is too much to explain and understand, even within our present societies to even consider feigning the words, "there's nothing to do," or "I'm bored."

Have fun everyone.

[tinmenace]

Cool post!

[hagbard_celine]

http://apod.nasa.gov/apod/ap021016.html

http://apod.nasa.gov/apod/image/0210/oklo15_curtin.jpg

" The remnants of nuclear reactors nearly two billion years old were found in the 1970s in Africa. These reactors are thought to have occurred naturally. No natural reactors exist today, as the relative density of fissile uranium has now decayed below that needed for a sustainable reaction. Pictured above is Fossil Reactor 15, located in Oklo, Gabon. Uranium oxide remains are visible as the yellowish rock. Oklo by-products are being used today to probe the stability of the fundamental constants over cosmological time-scales and to develop more effective means for disposing of human-manufactured nuclear waste."


Discover Magazine - http://discovermagazine.com/2005/feb/natures-nuclear-reactor0204 (http://discovermagazine.com/2005/feb/natures-nuclear-reactor0204)

t took humans until the 20th century to build a nuclear reactor. Mother Nature, on the other hand, built one that turned itself off and on, stored its waste, never threatened a meltdown—and did it 2 billion years ago.

Physicists analyzing a tiny sample of this ancient georeactor—discovered in the African country of Gabon in 1972—have now determined how it worked. Alexander Meshik at Washington University in Saint Louis and his colleagues conclude that river water trickling into uranium-rich bedrock acted like the control rods in a modern reactor, increasing the efficiency of fission and causing the uranium to produce a chain reaction. The reaction released heat that boiled the water. Once all the water was gone, the fission fizzled out, preventing a meltdown. Gradually, more water trickled in and the process started anew.

By analyzing how xenon (a radioactive by-product of the reaction) was trapped in the rock as it periodically cooled, Meshik’s team could measure the timing of this ancient nuclear cycle. For 150 million years the reactor switched on for 30 minutes every couple of hours or so. “What’s amazing is that it was exactly 30 minutes—not 25, not 35,” Meshik says. Grains of a natural compound called alumophosphate had sequestered the xenon waste for eons without leaks. Eventually so much of the original uranium decayed that the reactor shut down for good. The whole process confirms that the laws of nuclear physics worked just the same 2 billion years ago as they do today. Now we just need to match nature’s finesse.


Check that stuff out. This existence is truly an amazing one. There is too much to explain and understand, even within our present societies to even consider feigning the words, "there's nothing to do," or "I'm bored."

Have fun everyone.


:eek::eek::eek:

[maggie]

If you want to read a great book that addresses all these ancient artifacts read"haunted planet" by John Keel.He doesn't have an opinion on the reptile theory but he points to hard facts that our history is way different from what we have been told.

[chattanova]

Astronaut Carving In 1100 AD Ancient Temple?

Mystery Astronaut Carving in Ancient Temples in mSalamanca, Spain

Inside the splendid Ieronimus Cathedral, built by Episcope de Salamanca in 1102 A.D., among the fascinating carvings of mythical animals and saints, we find – NASA Astronaut…
Maybe they entered some time portal while on the Moon, and ended up scaring medieval builders in Spain? Probably just a modern addition by the mischievous restoration team.


http://img28.picoodle.com/img/img28/4/1/5/f_ieronimusm_9a0d0fc.jpg

http://img03.picoodle.com/img/img03/4/1/5/f_34428922877m_6c6774d.jpg

http://img26.picoodle.com/img/img26/4/1/5/f_99449855912m_13c5694.jpg

http://img01.picoodle.com/img/img01/4/1/5/f_dennem_b4e2b8e.jpg

http://img37.picoodle.com/img/img37/4/1/5/f_99449936528m_d4eab35.jpg

article here http://www.indianpad.com/story/167698

LOL WTF ??

[sensimillia]

it looks like the astronaut has been added at a later date, the stones look brand new...

[chattanova]

it looks like the astronaut has been added at a later date, the stones look brand new...

It absolutly does actually.. There is clearly a change in the stone structure.
Thanks for pointing that out:)

[tinmenace]

It absolutly does actually.. There is clearly a change in the stone structure.
Thanks for pointing that out:)

Which begs the question: Why did they add it? Why an astronaut? Why not an angel? Or a saint? It is out of place. VERY!

What does it mean? Are the acknowledging space travelers as gods?

[phildee3]

http://www.georgehart.com/virtual-polyhedra/figs/neolithic.jpg

The five "Platonic Solids,"
1,000 years before Plato!

http://www.georgehart.com/virtual-polyhedra/neolithic.html

[chattanova]

Which begs the question: Why did they add it? Why an astronaut? Why not an angel? Or a saint? It is out of place. VERY!

What does it mean? Are the acknowledging space travelers as gods?




Absolutly, there's always an intention behind it. hmmm:cool:

[chattanova]

100,000 Year Old Skull Found In China

100,000 Year Old Skull Found In China

http://img02.picoodle.com/img/img02/4/1/27/f_ALeqM5jzhxum_855f6d6.jpg

BEIJING (AFP) — An almost complete human skull dating back 80,000 to 100,000 years has been unearthed in central China, state media reported Wednesday.

The skull, consisting of 16 pieces, was dug up last month after two years of excavation at a site in Xuchang in Henan province, the China Daily said.

The pieces were fossilised because they were buried near the mouth of a spring whose water had a high calcium content, the report said.

The People's Daily newspaper said the skull was expected to provide "direct evidence" concerning the origins of human beings in east Asia, as very few human fossils dating back to about 100,000 years ago had ever been found outside Africa.

The China Daily said that the skull, with protruding bones over the eye sockets and a small forehead, was "the greatest discovery in China after the Peking Man and Upper Cave Man skulls were found in Beijing early last century".

However, experts contacted by AFP said the importance of the discovery appeared to be over-stated in the reports.

"It is far from the greatest judging from points such as the completeness, the time, and the significance of problems it can explain," said Wu Xinzhi, a professor and academician at the Chinese Academy of Sciences.

"So far, it just can prove that there were human beings living in Henan about 80,000 to 100,000 years ago and the shape of their heads was roughly what the skull shows."

Besides the skull, more than 30,000 animal fossils and stone and bone artifacts were found over the past two years in an area of 260 square metres (2,800 square feet), the report said.

The oldest human fossil found in China so far was a tooth unearthed in 1965 in Yuanmou county in the southwestern province of Yunnan that dated back 1.7 million years, said Wu.

http://afp.google.com/article/ALeqM5jXLbeGgVo2dYbkxDNqPiTH64X_zw

[cruise4]

Wow... phildee3. They certainly knew about some deep advanced stuff back then. OR time travelling shenanigans are a reality. I'm beginning to come round to the idea that the latter is a distinct possibility.

Question: If we win, and we find these churches etc, are interfereing in energy fields... do we pull them down?

[phildee3]

Question: If we win, and we find these churches etc, are interfereing in energy fields... do we pull them down?



I have found that churches are generally built on prehistoric places of power as a continuation of their use as sacred sites rather than to negate them. Chartres and Glastonbury abbey are prime examples.
However, where they do supress the force-field the energy lines can, and do, divert around offending structures.

[tifavi]

Hi all,
I saw erlier in this thread THE COSTA RICA SPHERES.
Did you know that similar spheres are now found in Bosnia?

Look here http://www.bosnian-pyramid.com/gallery.php

[chattanova]

Hi all,
I saw erlier in this thread THE COSTA RICA SPHERES.
Did you know that similar spheres are now found in Bosnia?

Look here http://www.bosnian-pyramid.com/gallery.php

Wow thanks for adding, I didn't know about those.
Welcome to the forums too. :)

[hagbard_celine]

Hi all,
I saw erlier in this thread THE COSTA RICA SPHERES.
Did you know that similar spheres are now found in Bosnia?

Look here http://www.bosnian-pyramid.com/gallery.php

Thanks! :) I'm keen an any news from the Bosnian pyramids!

BTW, have you seen the Wikipedia article on them? One-sided or what!:mad:

[tifavi]

I´m not surprised
Have been following the excavations in Bosnia for about three years now and the establishment is NOT happy about pyramids in Europe or the fact that a nobody found them. There is total silence here as if they want want to ignore it to death.
Good thing thou that Semir and all others don´t give a d....

[kblood]

yeh this is a brilliant thread! i wonder why they don't write about these in school books?

They dont teach it in school first of because they probably dont want us to even consider the possibility, second because they dont have a good explanation (which would lead to children asking questions, and they dont want us to ask questions before we are indoctrined enough to know what we can ask about) and the teachers themselves dont know and arent allowed to teach about it.

That is what I believe anyway. I for one find it quite amazing that it is common that kids arent supposed to ask questions at school, or at least to question the teacher before college.

I saw something about digs showing that there might have been nuclear weapons back in ancient times as well.

[shellygurrrl]

I saw something about digs showing that there might have been nuclear weapons back in ancient times as well.
http://www.ancientx.com/nm/anmviewer.asp?a=60&z=1

Scientists Davenport and Vincenti put forward an amazing theory. They stated the ancient town had been ruined with a nuclear blast. They found big stratums of clay and green glass. Apparently, archaeologists supposed, high temperature melted clay and sand and they hardened immediately afterwards. Similar stratums of green glass can also found in Nevada deserts after every nuclear explosion.

A hundred years have passed since the excavations in Mohenjo-Daro. The modern analysis showed, the fragments of the ancient town had been melted with extremely high temperature - not less than 1,500 degrees centigrade. Researchers also found the strictly outlined epicenter, where all houses were leveled. Destructions lessened towards the outskirts. Dozens of skeletons were found in the area of Mohenjo-Daro - their radioactivity exceeded the norm almost 50 times.

The great ancient Indian epic, the Mahabharata, contains numerous legends about the powerful force of a mysterious weapon. One of the chapters tells of a shell, which sparkled like fire, but had no smoke. "When the shell hit the ground, the darkness covered the sky, twisters and storms leveled the towns. A horrible blast burnt thousands of animals and people to ashes. Peasants, townspeople and warriors dived in the river to wash away the poisonous dust."

[chattanova]

I saw something about digs showing that there might have been nuclear weapons back in ancient times as well.

Ancient Atomic Warfare 10,000 BC http://www.davidicke.com/forum/showthread.php?t=10928

[tifavi]

Here is another funny out of place artifact

http://www.ancientx.com/nm/anmviewer.asp?a=27&z=1

[chattanova]

Dinosaur and Human Track Excavation at the Paluxy River (2004)

The Revolution Against Evolution team joined Dr. Carl Baugh of the Creation Evidence Museum in an excavation of a dinosaur track sequence on the Paluxy riverbank at the McFall ranch just north of Dinosaur Valley State Park near Glen Rose, Texas. This dig took place July 5 thru 16, 2004 and we participated in the second week July 12 - 16.

This site is the subject of much controversy and speculation, since there are also many tracks that appear to be human footprints. They are of interest to creationists, since if dinosaur and human tracks are found together, this would appear to support the creationist idea that dinosaurs lived in recent times, before Noah's flood, and for some time afterward. Creationists believe that the dragons of legend are the dinosaurs of science, because depictions of such creatures in historical documents often make an uncanny match to the morphology of known dinosaurs.

Because Dr. Baugh has dedicated much of his research toward the study of these tracks, he is the subject of much attack and scrutiny. There are many anti-Baugh web sites on the Internet, and since Dr. Baugh is the subject of many discussions among creationists and evolutionists alike, I do not wish to rehash any of this controversy here. My interest was to view the track for myself by participating in a dig. I feel that the personal nature of the attacks against the credibility Dr. Baugh are a smokescreen to distract people from the real issues. With or without Dr. Baugh, the tracks have a story to tell, and my interest was to observe and report what we found. In this essay we support Dr. Baugh in regards to what we observed on this particular dig and the evidence from the tracks themselves. He has done research in many other areas that are controversial, and we will not attempt to speak for him regarding those issues.

During the time we were at the excavation, the team uncovered 10 new dinosaur tracks, and one new track that looked like a human slide print. This area had seen previous work by other teams. The excavation we participated in extended the known track sequence to 46 continuous prints. This is one of the longest dinosaur track sequences in North America. The longest sequence in the Western Hemisphere, 136 prints, is the Turnage-Patton trail, found in the middle of the Paluxy river bed, less than a mile from the excavation site.

One of the impressions we got at the dig site was the way the excavation was done in a professional manner. The dig site consisted of a layer of limestone, then a layer of clay, overlying the limestone layer in which the tracks lay. The limestone cap was carefully removed with a jackhammer, exposing the clay layer, which we excavated inch by inch using the chisel end of a masonry hammer, and if a track was found, the clay would be carefully removed with the handle end of a brush that had been sharpened to a point. As the tracks were exposed, each one was measured and documented as to their size and position in relation to each other. The dirt that was removed from the top of the tracks was sifted and examined for fossils.

Evolutionists accuse Dr. Baugh and his team of "carving" the tracks. Here are the reasons why this could not be the case:

(1) The dig is open to anyone who wishes to sign up, and skeptics are invited to participate. Often families with children participate.
(2) Whenever a new track is found, the uncovering of the track is documented by videotape.
(3) Many people participate in the dig, so that there are many eyewitnesses.
(4) Each track is excavated by several people as a team.
(5) Potential tracks are eliminated from consideration if there are no or few identifying features, such as a heel, toes, push-up marks.
(6) Many of the locals from Glen Rose participate in all of the digs, and provide additional consistent verification.

We were instructed to not call a track "human" unless it exhibited unmistakable human characteristics, such as toes or an arch. Unfortunately, these features are subject to erosion, and such a find at the Paluxy is quite rare. Several of the best tracks are on display at the Creation Evidence Museum, and the Beverly track (named for Carl Baugh's daughter), is one of the best. It is a human impression inside of a dinosaur track, and the human impression shows all of the toes. This track was found at the dig site during an earlier excavation, and the purpose of the excavation was to see if more tracks of that trail could be found. Another similar track was found on the Taylor trail, in the middle of the river bed about a half-mile from the dig site. Another criteria that strengthens the case for a track to be human would be to find it in a sequence of other tracks, and for it to match a human stride. The Taylor trail fits this criteria. The track we found at the dig site did not have these features, and would not help our case, unless it is found to be one of a sequence yet to be established.

We interviewed participants from the previous dig where the "Beverly" track was excavated, and were shown the spot where the track was cut out of the rock strata. They verified that the same careful excavation methods used in the present dig were followed during the excavation of the "Beverly" track.

Quasi-human tracks actually are quite common at the Paluxy. At the Moss crossing, the Dougherty trail is found next to a good trail of dinosaur tracks, and if you wade out into the river, you can put your feet in them and find that the fit is pretty good. But because these have been exposed for a number of years, the toe features have been eroded away, leaving only heel prints. You can also find quite a few poorly-defined quasi-human tracks at Dinosaur Valley State Park, at the spot where you can cross the river on stepping stones. After you cross the river, the tracks are just to the left of where the excavation of several dinosaur prints is roped off. In-situ tracks quickly erode once they are exposed, so researchers, when they find a good track, try to cut it out of the rock, document its position, and preserve it that way. Of course, if this is done, an evolutionist can always say that it was carved, or the documentation was staged, or whatever. But the abundance of quasi-human tracks, in my mind, actually strengthens our position, because that is what you would expect to find if they are real, especially if the people who made these tracks wore moccasins or shoes. We created an experiment where we laid down some mud, created some fresh tracks, and documented how they looked. Even in these fresh tracks, very few of them showed the toes, and many of the tracks after they dried, collapsed and became featureless.

Those participating in Dr. Baugh's dig can testify that nobody at the dig site is "carving" the tracks, as is the nonsense perpetuated by some evolutionists. We have too many eyewitnesses verifying the dig technique that will tell you that is not true. We watched ten new dinosaur tracks emerge from underneath one foot of overlying rock, observed the technique by which they were revealed, and videotaped the procedure. Since we interviewed eyewitnesses by video, testifying that the same procedure was used in excavating the tracks exhibited in the museum, we would say that was strong evidence that the Beverly track, the Taylor trail tracks and others like it were not fabricated. So, would an evolutionist accuse Dr. Baugh of carving the tracks, covering them with dirt and a six-inch layer of limestone, only to be rediscovered again by creationists digging them up? Or would they accuse Dr. Baugh of carving the tracks, especially since he did very little of the excavation work himself? Hardly likely.

Investigations of the Taylor trail by evolutionists concluded a number of years ago that the tracks thought to be human were actually dinosaur tracks. However, the local Texans we interviewed, who know these tracks, say that they have changed in appearance over time, and that might be what you would expect if a human trail actually stepped into dinosaur tracks for a short distance, making a human impression on top of the dinosaur track. In such a case, as the track erodes, the human impression would give way to the dinosaur track. It was this problem that caused the Institute for Creation Research and Answers in Genesis to qualify their support for these track being human, basically because the human impressions have eroded to the point that they are not recognizable. But it is in error to say that they have abandoned their support for these tracks. This particular dig involved the participation of an Answers in Genesis geologist, and it was his wife that excavated the quasi-human track.

One of the locals, Dave Hall, took our group wading in the river looking for the Taylor trail. This trail is normally exposed at this time of year, but it was a wet summer, and the tracks were covered with silt and one to three feet of water. No photographs of the trail were possible, but the group's encounter with a water moccasin was quite memorable and you can watch it on video. Also, visit the photo gallery of the dig.

Our conclusion is that the claim for a human origin of the tracks is reasonable to believe. For the creationist, this will never be Class "A" evidence, beyond controversy. None of the tracks we saw in situ would have been incontrovertible evidence that would persuade any die-hard evolutionist. But the circumstantial evidence is compelling to those of us who already are convinced of the young-earth creationist model. We anticipate that further efforts by new digs with Dr. Baugh and other groups will find additional evidence at the Paluxy River.

http://www.rae.org/paluxy.html

http://img27.picoodle.com/img/img27/4/6/23/f_beverlytracm_99e86db.jpghttp://img33.picoodle.com/img/img33/4/6/23/f_beverlytracm_2b94e50.jpg
perfect hit

http://img37.picoodle.com/img/img37/4/6/23/f_newtrackm_4c01b6e.jpg

http://www.rae.org/paluxy.html

[celtic isis]

Here is another funny out of place artifact

http://www.ancientx.com/nm/anmviewer.asp?a=27&z=1

that map is awesome!

it pisses me off how the PTB can cover up out TRUE history so well. :mad:

most people never even get to hear about any of these "anomalies" in our ancient history...no wonder i used to snore in history and geography class...they tell you nothing! And what they do tell is just a tip of the iceberg, don't ever get to see any of the good stuff that piece the puzzles together underneath.

who knew it was all so interesting! we know now! :D;)

[tehuti]

excellent thread.

[chattanova]

The Horned Skull

http://img37.picoodle.com/data/img37/3/8/25/f_022m_aa67c8e.jpg

During an archaeological dig in Sayre, Bradford County, Pennsylvania in the 1880s, a number of human skulls were unearthed. These skeletons were anatomically correct, except for the anomaly of their projections, two inches above the eyebrow, and the fact that their average height in life would have been around seven feet tall. The bones were sent to the American Investigating Museum in Philadelphia, where they were stolen - never to be seen again.

http://www.cultcase.com/2008/08/five-mysterious-skulls-dare-they-be.html

http://www.burlingtonnews.net/hornedrace.html

[chattanova]

Bulgarian Skull

http://img34.picoodle.com/data/img34/3/8/25/f_alienskull0m_2df3021.jpg

This skull cannot visibly classified as human - but is interesting. It was discovered in 2001, the Rodopi Mountains, Bulgaria. Very little else is known at this point in time.

http://www.cultcase.com/2008/08/five-mysterious-skulls-dare-they-be.html

[tinmenace]

Ok, the HORNED SKULL was stolen. That's a little too convenient if you ask me. :mad:

The BULGARIAN SKULL's jaw reminds me of the creature in the movie PREDATOR.

http://spiritual-nature.com/images/predator.jpg

[chattanova]

Ok, the HORNED SKULL was stolen. That's a little too convenient if you ask me. :mad:

The BULGARIAN SKULL's jaw reminds me of the creature in the movie PREDATOR.

http://spiritual-nature.com/images/predator.jpg





Yes, I knew I've seen that before somewhere! Thanks for connecting the dots :D

[challand]

Holey god!@$%

That really does look exactly like Predator. I'm sorta freaked out! I wonder if the idea for the creature wasn't purely imagination...

[tinmenace]

Holey god!@$%

That really does look exactly like Predator. I'm sorta freaked out! I wonder if the idea for the creature wasn't purely imagination...

:eek: I know!

[suziwong]

I have come across another "out of time artifact"

The Kingoodie Hammer - named after the Scottish quarry where it was found in 1844

It is made of wood and iron (with nails)

it doesn't sound remarkable until you realise that the hammer was embedded in a block of red sandstone which has been verified by geologists to be
408 MILLION YEARS OLD:eek:

To get this into context - scientists assert that homo-sapien man evolved a mere 400 thousand years ago

Check out this link

FIVE MYSTERIOUS HISTORICAL ARTEFACTS (http://www.purpleslinky.com/Trivia/History/Five-Mysterious-Historical-Artifacts.232249)

[phildee3]

FIVE MYSTERIOUS HISTORICAL ARTEFACTS (http://www.purpleslinky.com/Trivia/History/Five-Mysterious-Historical-Artifacts.232249)



All are evidence of time-travel.

[asentinel]

http://www.bradshaw.dk/pages/bradshaw/bradshaw.html

[i_am]

There are many amazing things in Australia. A list :)

http://www.awarenessquest.com/research.htm


http://img516.imageshack.us/img516/826/chariot123od0.jpg (http://imageshack.us)

Washed up after heavy seas


http://www.awarenessquest.com/Sunrock.jpg

identified as belonging to the most ancient Meso-American culture - The La Tolita - pre-Mayan, and estimated at 2000 BC

[i_am]

Rex Gilroy

http://www.mysteriousaustralia.com/

The Egyptian Connection

http://www.mysteriousaustralia.com/egyptians_australia_mainpage.html

[jp13]

As someone pointed out to me a few years back, re pictures of the Assyrian Gods, he said "why are they holding handbags"? and I have to admit they do look like handbags, but I note in one of the pictures in the link above to crystallinks that they are called water carriers.
Handbags I say!

[chattanova]

This was pretty informative

Erich von Däniken's ''Search for Ancient Technology''

http://freedocumentaries.net/media/141/Search_for_Ancient_Technology/

* Cargo cults
* Nazca lines
* Genetic engineering
* Pyramids
* Maya calendar
* Plane figurines and other artifacts

[asentinel]

As someone pointed out to me a few years back, re pictures of the Assyrian Gods, he said "why are they holding handbags"? and I have to admit they do look like handbags, but I note in one of the pictures in the link above to crystallinks that they are called water carriers.
Handbags I say!

I was viewing videos about ancient tech and they seemed to think those carriers symbolised the dna which was taken and engineered/modified.

or Ancient Fashion Victims?? As you would have it??? :eek:

[tom bombadil]

Going back to a former question concerning the 'thing' or not on Greenland.

http://img.youtube.com/vi/iusq6j8cG1o/default.jpg

Then maybe this map may help;

http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/7/72/Zeno-map.jpg/792px-Zeno-map.jpg

Its a map from a map.

It just sprang to mind.


Tom

[tifavi]

I've lately found myself looking to the former east block for information about ancient history. It seems that were so used to look at western and far Eastern history. Probably because of colonial interest and the need to rewrite history by the colonists.

I've found that there are things in the area around the Black See that very intriguing and interesting. Lepinski Vir in Serbia for instance (8000 year old settlement).
This thread from the Bosnian Pyramid site deals with something in Romania.
(Please read the whole thread)
http://www.bosnian-pyramid.com/forum/viewtopic.php?t=1334&postdays=0&postorder=asc&start=0
And why are we white people called Caucasians?

[challand]

This thread is the win. :D

[chattanova]

OOPARTS

http://br.youtube.com/watch?v=EQ6qftmn6kY

http://br.youtube.com/watch?v=2eI-n-xmp18&feature=related

[chattanova]

Prehistoric child is discovered buried with 'toy hedgehog' at Stonehenge

This toy hedgehog, found in a child's grave at Stonehenge, is proof of what we have always known - children have always loved to play.

The chalk figurine was probably a favourite possession of the three year old, and placed next to the child when they died in the late Bronze Age or early Iron Age, around 3,000 years ago.

http://img02.picoodle.com/img/img02/3/10/29/f_1m_73d2074.jpg
Can you guess what it is yet? This carved toy hedgehog was found by archaeologists digging near Stonehenge

http://img03.picoodle.com/img/img03/3/10/29/f_2m_8a2e42d.jpg

Archaeologists who discovered the grave, where the child was laying on his or her side, believe the toy - perhaps placed there by a doting father - is the earliest known depiction of a hedgehog in British history.

The diggers were working to the west of Stonehenge in what is known as the Palisade Ditch when they made the remarkable discovery last month in the top of the pit in which the child was buried.

Archaeologist Dennis Price said: 'It is not difficult to envisage the raw emotion and harrowing grief that would have accompanied the death of this child.

'Amid the aura of gloom that surrounds Stonehenge, it comes as a beam of light to find a child's toy lovingly placed with the tiny corpse to keep him or her company through eternity.

'I'm not aware of hedgehogs having any significance in pagan tradition so the discovery must rank as yet another unique and baffling aspect of one of the most famous and instantly recognisable prehistoric monuments on Earth. To my mind, the hedgehog possesses a real charm and an innocent beauty. '

http://img02.picoodle.com/img/img02/3/10/29/f_3m_cdfe43b.jpg
Burial ground: The toy hedgehog was dug up here

Dr Joshua Pollard, of the Stonehenge Riverside Project, said: 'Representational art from this period is very rare and so far as I'm aware, if the identification is correct, it's the only known prehistoric depiction of a hedgehog from Britain.'

Fay Vass, of the British Hedgehog Preservation Society, said: 'We are very excited to hear about this find. It shows humans have taken hedgehogs to their hearts for a very long time.'

http://www.pyrabang.com/contenteditor.php?pd=4057&ps=3925&org=4064&target=http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-1073210/Prehistoric-child-discovered-buried-toy-hedgehog-Stonehenge.html

[badasscass]

http://www.cryptomundo.com/wp-content/littledoug1.jpg

http://www.cryptomundo.com/wp-content/littledoug3.jpg

[badasscass]

http://aycu04.webshots.com/image/33523/2005472101250287793_rs.jpg (http://allyoucanupload.webshots.com/v/2005472101250287793)


the figure on the right sort of resembles the female being credo mutwa spoke of that mated with him. he had a sculpture of it with him and described her as pink. he spoke of the breasts being high up and out of place. her vagina or whatever it is was also higher up than usual. maybe thats what those lines indicate instead of stretch marks.

from Credo Mutwa:
And then, behind this huge, bent creature, came a creature which surprised me. It was very, very, very, very swollen, sir, in appearance. It had pink skin. It had a blondish, very human body. It had very bright, blue, slanting eyes. It had hair which looked like nylon fiber of some kind. It had high cheek-bones and an almost human mouth, with full lips and a small, pointed chin. The creature, sir, was definitely a female but like an artist and a painter, which I am, and also a sculptor, I noticed that the creature was totally out of proportion. It was wrong. First, its breasts were thin and pointed, and set too high upon its chest, not where a normal woman's breasts would be. Its body was powerful, almost fat, but its legs were too short and its arms were too short in proportion to the rest of its body. And it came towards me, looked down at me, and before I knew what it was doing, somehow it mated with me. It was a horrible experience, sir, even worse than what had been done to me before.

[badasscass]

Nepal

http://img26.picoodle.com/img/img26/6/11/3/f_lolladoffplm_7cf5c5a.jpg

7,000 B.C. - The Lolladoff plate, discovered in Nepal, appears to show a hovering disk-shaped object in the center and a small being, resembling an alien resembling an alien gray, beside it. The circular pattern is reminescent of the spiraling movement of consciousness - Golden Ratio - Sacred Geometry of creation.

isn't that a lizard/chameleon on it as well?

[biblegirl]

Prehistoric child is discovered buried with 'toy hedgehog' at Stonehenge

Hmm, I've got a pretty wild imagination, but I'm just not seeing a hedgehog there, he he. Oh well, I will leave the conclusion to the experts :D.

[badasscass]

Hmm, I've got a pretty wild imagination, but I'm just not seeing a hedgehog there, he he. Oh well, I will leave the conclusion to the experts :D.

lol me too

[biblegirl]

Prehistoric child is discovered buried with 'toy hedgehog' at Stonehenge

Who would give their kid a big rock to carry around as a toy? "Remember, little Johnny, when you want to play with your hedgehog, lift with your legs, not your back."

Maybe the key word here is "Stonehenge". The significance may be in the energy of that particular rock or shape, or perhaps as a depiction of an entity of some sort.

There's goes that wild imagination of mine again! :p

[kreesurgeon]

Here's one for you 300,000,000 - 600,000,000 year old sandal print.
http://istina.rin.ru/eng/ufo/text/167.html

[chattanova]

Here's one for you 300,000,000 - 600,000,000 year old sandal print.
http://istina.rin.ru/eng/ufo/text/167.html

Wow! That must be the oldest artifact we've catched:cool: Time have gone in loops for a looong time.

[who elsie]

Who would give their kid a big rock to carry around as a toy? "Remember, little Johnny, when you want to play with your hedgehog, lift with your legs, not your back."

Maybe the key word here is "Stonehenge". The significance may be in the energy of that particular rock or shape, or perhaps as a depiction of an entity of some sort.

There's goes that wild imagination of mine again! :p

Nice one! You have a good imagination and are spot on with your assesment (IMO) :)

[chattanova]

22,000-Year-Old Mammoth Tusk Carvings Uncovered in Russia

“These finds are really incredibly rare, and they offer a unique
picture into human Upper Palaeolithic life ( 40,000 to 10,000 years ago).”
- Jeffrey Brantingham, Ph.D., Anthropologist, UCLA

http://img26.picoodle.com/img/img26/3/12/4/f_RussiaZaraym_26e066a.jpg http://img26.picoodle.com/img/img26/3/12/4/f_RussiaZaraym_5a56582.jpg

Left: Mysterious cone-shaped object carved from mammoth ivory.
Right: Human-looking figurines found at Zaraysk, Russia, carved from mammoth tusks.

Southeast of Moscow, Russia, about 93 miles is an Old Stone Age excavation at Zaraysk, where Russian scientists have discovered figurines and carvings on mammoth tusks dated to around 22,000 years ago. The cone-shaped ivory tusk carving (above) is unique among Palaeolithic artifacts and its function is a puzzle.

http://www.earthfiles.com/

[chattanova]

'Earths Forbidden Secrets'

by

Maxwell Igan

http://thecrowhouse.com/Documents/Earths%20Forbidden%20Secrets%20Part%20One.pdf

[soundthief]

And why are we white people called Caucasians?


its from the idea that white people came from the Caucus(sp?) mountains, or at least from that direction from the perspective of the person which named white people as Caucasian

[chattanova]

Antikythera: A 2,000-year-old Greek Computer Comes Back To Life

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZrfMFhrgOFc&eurl=http://www.davidicke.com/content/blogcategory/30/82/

[shellygurrrl]

http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v334/inthepink/funny/270913946_efa38ec3d8-1.jpg

[localidiot]

I'm still going over this thread... but while some of these are OOPARTS I'm not familiar ith, several are, and while not neccassarily fake are not as presented.

The Klerksdoop Spheres themselves are not a mystery, though they are presented as such.
They are not perfectly formed, many are not speres, and several for formed in clumps.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Klerksdorp_Spheres

As for the Costa Rican spheres, the only real mystery here is how they got the rock and why. Otherwise the cultures of the time period they were created in certainly had the technology o make them. They certainly aren't particularly perfect. I don't know into how much detail the article goes into about them, at this time of year I don't have the spare cash handy to register at the site.

The Coso Artifact is a spark plug, the problem is you're being mislead if you think it's as old as you are being led to believe. When metal rusts in soil, it builds up a conglomerate, something I've seen a lotworking with metal over the years. The rusting metal formed a sandstone like rock around the metal artifact, preserving it in many cases from further dessication. Much like the hammer that was mentioned later in the thread here.
http://ncseweb.org/rncse/24/2/coso-artifact

The Baghdad Batteries are misnamed. The way they were originally constructed, before someone reconstructed them, would have prevented them from being able to successful store or transfer a charge.
The person who reconstructed them basically redisgned them as well.

* the bitumen completely covers the copper cylinder, electrically insulating it, so no current can be drawn without modifying the design;
* there are not any wires or conductors with them;
* no widely accepted electrical equipment is associated with them. (Controversial stone reliefs depicting arc lights have been suggested, however the voltages obtained are orders of magnitude below what would be needed to produce arc lighting);
* an bitumen seal, being thermoplastic, is excellent for forming a hermetic seal for long term storage. It would be extremely inconvenient however for a galvanic cell, which would require frequent topping up of the electrolyte (if they were intended for extended use).

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Baghdad_Battery

About the church with the Astronaut:

If you approach the west entrance of the new cathedral and take a careful look at the different and various figures in relief you will be surprisingly rewarded by the curious sight of a small astronaut that seems a bit out of place among the more traditional ornamentation. This figure, among others, was added in a recent renovation.

http://www.escuelai.com/spanish_magazine/stroll_through_Salamanca.html

They also included a monkey or demon with a ice cream cone i believe, but can't find the source for that one.

Some of those I've notseen before, but I'll look into, I just posted about the ones I know off the top of my head.

Edit: Forgot this link regarding the Pi Reis Map. It's not an accurate renderig of the planet, at least not any more so than the other maps from it's time period.
http://www.uwgb.edu/dutchs/PSEUDOSC/PiriRies.HTM

[localidiot]

Hm, at some point someone posted this picture:

http://i475.photobucket.com/albums/rr116/TheMonkey-Man88/alien4.gif

Here's a close up:
http://i475.photobucket.com/albums/rr116/TheMonkey-Man88/alien2.gif

Expnaded View:
http://i475.photobucket.com/albums/rr116/TheMonkey-Man88/alien1.gif

[localidiot]

I don't agree that the Mechanism was a OOPART.
In a lot of ways the Romans could be considered as advanced as we are today, however the difference lies in their specialties. We today rely on electricity, just about everything we use runs on it.
On the other hand the Romans had fairly advanced mechanical knowledge, which utilized muscle power or hydro power in some circumstances.
They were on the edge of a possible industrial revolution before they started to collapse.
After bit of research, Heron of Alexandria built a early steam engine, but was not capitalized on.
This article (http://www.mlahanas.de/Greeks/HeroAndLoon.htm) goes on to state that it was because of the economy at the time. Pretty interesting read.

[lycan]

i love all the finds.

[chattanova]

Petroglyph: Bird Eats Man

On the Saturday January 24, 2009 show, Ian Punnett's guest, Adrienne Mayor, mentioned a petroglyph in the Petrified Forest National Park in Arizona depicting a large bird devouring a human. In late December of 2007, I stopped by the park while on my way to the Hopi Reservation. I noticed the "Bird Eats Man" drawing and took this photo of it. So, for those of you that were curious, this is the image mentioned on Coast to Coast AM, and it is exactly what Ms. Mayor described, i.e., a large bird with a human in its beak. There were more amazing ancient petroglyphs in Hopiland, but they do not allow photography on the reservation.

http://img26.picoodle.com/img/img26/3/2/1/f_Petroglyph0m_efbd2e6.jpg

http://www.coasttocoastam.com/gen/page2925.html?theme=light

[father ted]

PREHISTORIC AIRPLANES FROM SOUTH AMERICA

http://img34.picoodle.com/img/img34/9/10/10/f_colombiaairm_f336bb9.jpg

http://img27.picoodle.com/img/img27/9/10/10/f_colombiaairm_7a97efc.jpg

http://img35.picoodle.com/img/img35/9/10/10/f_colombiaairm_14c9f22.jpg




I saw a doco where they made a working model of two of those figurines and they flew really well!

[comawhite015]

I like the bird eating the man!

Though, the 'Alien' figure at the Abydos temple posted a few posts up, it's probably something else. A wine jar. Grapes. But not an 'alien'.

First off, if it were some kind of figure, it would be drawn facing the side. Nothing was drawn facing forwards in Egyptian art. Also, the surrounding hieroglyphs seem to suggest a great amount of food, and I don't see how an 'alien' could make sense in such a setting. I'll try to find some more on the matter. I remember seeing something about it a while ago..

Meanwhile, here's the debunk for the Abydos Helicopter.. It's just heiroglyphs laid over eachother. In alternating relief, even. Sloppy.

http://members.tripod.com/~A_U_R_A/ABYDOS2.GIF


Ah. It's a lotus plant. See? Look at other examples of lotus plants from Egyptian art. =)

http://i475.photobucket.com/albums/rr116/TheMonkey-Man88/alien2.gif
http://content.answers.com/main/content/img/oxford/Oxford_Architecture/0198606788.lotus.1.jpg

[chattanova]

I saw a doco where they made a working model of two of those figurines and they flew really well!

Yes I know which you mean, it is posted in this thread somewhere, a von daniken docu.

[pri01]

its from the idea that white people came from the Caucus(sp?) mountains, or at least from that direction from the perspective of the person which named white people as Caucasian

does cauc-asian translate to (white-asian)? Cauc beining translated as chalk(white) ?

[loracat5]

Very interesting stuff hear! I’m not sure if any of you know of the teachings of ken Honvid. He has some great lectures on the subject of evolution and archeological lies. In fact, he makes things clear and in the simplest of terms. I think he is brilliant. He explains the fallacy of the fossil record, and much more. He uses the bible to reference his teachings.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dWcxB9jVgwo

[loracat5]

I am so sorry, I should have chosen a better video link to share . I went to look for more but am finding a lot of videos debunking Ken Honvid. That must mean he is doing something right.

[marpat]

Has anybody seen the lost city near Lake Titicaca? it is an ancient place and there are huge masonry blocks that are held together with metal clamps that are of an alloy that was only rediscovered in recent centuries.

I think the site was investigated by Ian Allen as a possible location for Atlantis.

[coco]

Well, you know it is proposed civilisation has been destroyed what, three or four times in the past? Mankind has invented pretty clever things in the past that has been forgotten about/lost and now is being unearthed.

I find the South American and Egyptian, as well as other ancient civilization's, 'unearthly' depictions veerryy interesting, indeed. Very good work and a very good thread. Thank you.

[comawhite015]

Has anybody seen the lost city near Lake Titicaca? it is an ancient place and there are huge masonry blocks that are held together with metal clamps that are of an alloy that was only rediscovered in recent centuries.

I think the site was investigated by Ian Allen as a possible location for Atlantis.

Tihuanaco. It's awesome =D

I haven't heard about the clamps, though. I thought they had all rusted away?

[coco]

Kiev

http://img03.picoodle.com/img/img03/6/11/3/f_ufokievm_93dfdcf.jpg

Strange suited figure found in Kiev. It dates to ca. 4,000 BC.

Somewhat similar to this. This isn't the image I was thinking of but very close. Some American Indians have art depictions and ceremonial costumes that present a head much like the one in your photo.


http://i40.tinypic.com/257zrbl.jpg

[marpat]

Tihuanaco. It's awesome =D

I haven't heard about the clamps, though. I thought they had all rusted away?

Nope. The alloy was something really special though.

On another subject I saw some Germans trying to recreate the blue glazed bricks used on the big gate at Babylon. The glaze was created by using very specific amounts of material but it had to be heated at a constant temperature of 1500 deg. On the show they used a computer controlled oven but had no idea how the ancients could have managed it without one.

[omegasol]

wow, great thread! very interesting! chattanova delivers! keep up the good work ;)

[chattanova]

Dinosaur Images Noticed in Temple Ruin, -Cambodia

http://img15.picoodle.com/img/img15/3/3/8/kennet/f_gggm_fef2abe.jpg

Conventional science has it that the dinosaurs were wiped out many millions of years ago either as the result of climate change or a meteorite hitting earth. Some researchers, however, claim that dinosaurs might have continued to roam remote parts of the earth as recently as a few hundred years ago. A few even claim that there might be some small populations of dinosaurs, otherwise believed to be extinct, surviving in the world’s most isolated forests.
A reader has sent to All News Web these photos of the stunning Ta Prohm Temple (pictured below) deep in the jungles of Cambodia.This temple is the work of the remarkable Khmer civilization which lasted from the 800’s AD until the 1400’s AD.
The temple is covered with the most intricate of carvings. The reader who was visiting the area noticed very distinct and clear images that seem to depict a Stegosaurus (pictured above), indicating that this creature might well have survived up until the Khmer era in the region. One expert on Khmer ruins has told us that it is unlikely that these images are a recent addition to the temple.
The stegosaurus (pictured below) was a spectacular beast best known for the row of kite shaped plates that ran along the length of its back. According to conventional science this species existed in North America and died out around 155 million years ago. Villagers in the vicinity of the temple are said to retain traditions of this animal existing until fairly recent times.

http://img19.picoodle.com/img/img19/3/3/8/kennet/f_dinosarimagm_0704ca0.jpg http://img15.picoodle.com/img/img15/3/3/8/kennet/f_combodiatemm_27c8199.jpg

http://www.allnewsweb.com/page4994992.php

[biblegirl]

the temple ruins carving is amazing! i would love to see the rest of the ruins...in person :D

[chattanova]

UFO Experts Amazed by Mayan Panels Just Unearthed, -Guatemala

http://img19.picoodle.com/img/img19/3/3/14/kennet/f_mayanpanelm_ca97fef.jpg

Michael Cohen m.cohen@allnewsweb.com

Reuters reported this week that archaeologists working in deep in Guatemala’s northern jungle have unearthed incredible carved panels that are believed to depict scenes from Mayan creation myths involving monsters, serpents and deities.

The panels were discovered on the site of El-Mirador, the largest known Mayan city in the world which is constantly being excavated revealing more surprises. The city itself is remarkable in that it contained the complex roads, canals and impressive structures one would expect of a modern metropolis.

The sites head researcher Richard Hansen has dated the panels to around 300 BC.

As expected there was no mention of aliens or UFOs in relation to the find. Ufologists have been concentrating in particular on Mayan civilization and mythology for decades, probably more so than any other ancient civilisation.

Its astronomy and myths of immortal beings arriving from the stars to give humans knowledge are well known. Ufologists are now marvelling at the latest image of Mayan mythology carved in stone.

http://img06.picoodle.com/img/img06/3/3/14/kennet/f_mayanpanel2m_c50e472.jpg

Many have already noted that the image shown on Reuters clearly depicts a UFO surrounded by two non-human beings covered in some form of technological equipment.

Interestingly, the date range given for the carvings puts their creation not long after Ezekiel’s graphic descriptions of wheels within wheels. Reuters has published a photo of one of the Mayan panels and to say that the similarity to Ezekiel’s wheels and ‘living creatures’ is striking might be putting it mildly.

I don’t think the proof of the theory that civilizations were once guided by alien visitors could get any stronger. The only question is when will our friends from space openly return and give us some guidance, possibly more needed now than then.

http://www.allnewsweb.com/page6636639.php

http://www.reuters.com/article/newsOne/idUSTRE52A7FP20090311

[emerald]

MAYAN symbols on a building from AURORA, ILLINOIS:

http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/en/1/13/Aurora_detail_Mayan_Archit.JPG

[rydeon]

I can recall from my school days that the 'living' dinosaur was a theory believed by some.
But the Cambodian temple discovery is dynamite indeed!

The new 'immortal' carvings are good too.

[jason_bourne]

Great thread!

Ancient Japanese Underwater Pyramids

The island of Yonaguni, near Okinawa, Japan has long been a favorite diving spot for swimmers try to get a glance of the numerous hammerhead sharks that swim there. However, in 1995 underwater explorer Kihachirou Aratake found a very large, strange structure under the water. Lying about 60 feet deep, the structure appeared to be man-made. Large steps could be seen, blocks of rock cut at right angles and smoothed. The discovery would send shock waves through the archaeological world.
Japan's Underwater Pyramids or Ruins as they have become to be known are a mystery. In all, around eight sites have been discovered. There are certain features that are very hard to dismiss as natural occurrences. Such as a large, semi-circular structure [1] that almost looks like a park bench. Then there is a large head [2] which appears to have hair and a head dress carved into it. There are also numerous round holes carved into the rock, including some that look as though they were made to support large wooden poles [3]. Again, these are just hard to dismiss, including this head with eyes carved out of it [4]. As stated, the structures are lying on the seabed, around 60 to 100 feet below the surface. So who created them? The last time that these areas were not covered by the ocean was between approximately 8 to 12 thousand years ago, during the last ice age when much of the sea was caught up in the ice caps. At the time Yonaguni formed a landbridge with Taiwan, leading many to speculate that the area is part of the lost continent of Mu, or Lemuria.
http://files.abovetopsecret.com/images/member/3c3a067994d7.jpghttp://www.cyberspaceorbit.com/phikent/japan/Japan_12.jpghttp://www.cyberspaceorbit.com/phikent/japan/Japan_13.jpghttp://www.cyberspaceorbit.com/phikent/japan/Japan_10.jpghttp://www.cyberspaceorbit.com/phikent/japan/Japan_15.jpghttp://www.cyberspaceorbit.com/phikent/japan/Japan_14.jpghttp://www.cyberspaceorbit.com/phikent/japan/Japan_11.jpghttp://www.cyberspaceorbit.com/phikent/japan/Japan_16.jpghttp://www.cyberspaceorbit.com/phikent/japan/Japan_17.jpghttp://www.cyberspaceorbit.com/phikent/japan/Japan_18.jpg

[ytch]

[QUOTE=jason_bourne;872913]Great thread!

Ancient Japanese Underwater Pyramids

The island of Yonaguni, near Okinawa, Japan has long been a favorite diving spot for swimmers try to get a glance of the numerous hammerhead sharks that swim there. However, in 1995 underwater explorer Kihachirou Aratake found a very large, strange structure under the water. Lying about 60 feet deep, the structure appeared to be man-made. Large steps could be seen, blocks of rock cut at right angles and smoothed. The discovery would send shock waves through the archaeological world.
Japan's Underwater Pyramids or Ruins as they have become to be known are a mystery. In all, around eight sites have been discovered. There are certain features that are very hard to dismiss as natural occurrences. Such as a large, semi-circular structure [1] that almost looks like a park bench. Then there is a large head [2] which appears to have hair and a head dress carved into it. There are also numerous round holes carved into the rock, including some that look as though they were made to support large wooden poles [3]. Again, these are just hard to dismiss, including this head with eyes carved out of it [4]. As stated, the structures are lying on the seabed, around 60 to 100 feet below the surface. So who created them? The last time that these areas were not covered by the ocean was between approximately 8 to 12 thousand years ago, during the last ice age when much of the sea was caught up in the ice caps. At the time Yonaguni formed a landbridge with Taiwan, leading many to speculate that the area is part of the lost continent of Mu, or Lemuria.


wow!:eek:
Any more info on this, maps o.s.?

[jason_bourne]

Source: http://news.nationalgeographic.com/news/2007/09/070919-sunken-city_2.html

Japan's Ancient Underwater "Pyramid" Mystifies Scholars
Julian Ryall in Tokyo
for National Geographic News
September 19, 2007

Submerged stone structures lying just below the waters off Yonaguni Jima are actually the ruins of a Japanese Atlantis—an ancient city sunk by an earthquake about 2,000 years ago.

That's the belief of Masaaki Kimura, a marine geologist at the University of the Ryukyus in Japan who has been diving at the site to measure and map its formations for more than 15 years.

Each time he returns to the dive boat, Kimura said, he is more convinced than ever that below him rest the remains of a 5,000-year-old city.

"The largest structure looks like a complicated, monolithic, stepped pyramid that rises from a depth of 25 meters [82 feet]," said Kimura, who presented his latest theories about the site at a scientific conference in June.

But like other stories of sunken cities, Kimura's claims have attracted controversy.

"I'm not convinced that any of the major features or structures are manmade steps or terraces, but that they're all natural," said Robert Schoch, a professor of science and mathematics at Boston University who has dived at the site.

"It's basic geology and classic stratigraphy for sandstones, which tend to break along planes and give you these very straight edges, particularly in an area with lots of faults and tectonic activity."

And neither the Japanese government's Agency for Cultural Affairs nor the government of Okinawa Prefecture recognize the remains off Yonaguni as an important cultural property, said agency spokesperson Emiko Ishida.

Neither of the government groups has carried out research or preservation work on the sites, she added, instead leaving any such efforts to professors and other interested individuals.

Ruins Point

Yonaguni Jima is an island that lies near the southern tip of Japan's Ryukyu archipelago, about 75 miles (120 kilometers) off the eastern coast of Taiwan (see map).
A local diver first noticed the Yonaguni formations in 1986, after which a promontory on the island was unofficially renamed Iseki Hanto, or Ruins Point.

The district of Yonaguni officially owns the formations, and tourists and researchers can freely dive at the site.

Some experts believe that the structures could be all that's left of Mu, a fabled Pacific civilization rumored to have vanished beneath the waves.

On hearing about the find, Kimura said, his initial impression was that the formations could be natural. But he changed his mind after his first dive.

"I think it's very difficult to explain away their origin as being purely natural, because of the vast amount of evidence of man's influence on the structures," he said.

(Related: "Pyramid in Bosnia—Huge Hoax or Colossal Find?" [May 12, 2006].)

For example, Kimura said, he has identified quarry marks in the stone, rudimentary characters etched onto carved faces, and rocks sculpted into the likenesses of animals.

"The characters and animal monuments in the water, which I have been able to partially recover in my laboratory, suggest the culture comes from the Asian continent," he said.

"One example I have described as an underwater sphinx resembles a Chinese or ancient Okinawan king."

(See pictures of the "Japanese Atlantis" formations.)

Whoever created the city, most of it apparently sank in one of the huge seismic events that this part of the Pacific Rim is famous for, Kimura said.

The world's largest recorded tsunami struck Yonaguni Jima in April 1771 with an estimated height of more than 131 feet (40 meters), he noted, so such a fate might also have befallen the ancient civilization.

Kimura said he has identified ten structures off Yonaguni and a further five related structures off the main island of Okinawa. In total the ruins cover an area spanning 984 feet by 492 feet (300 meters by 150 meters).

The structures include the ruins of a castle, a triumphal arch, five temples, and at least one large stadium, all of which are connected by roads and water channels and are partly shielded by what could be huge retaining walls.

Kimura believes the ruins date back to at least 5,000 years, based on the dates of stalactites found inside underwater caves that he says sank with the city.

And structures similar to the ruins sitting on the nearby coast have yielded charcoal dated to 1,600 years ago—a possible indication of ancient human inhabitants, Kimura added.

But more direct evidence of human involvement with the site has been harder to come by.

"Pottery and wood do not last on the bottom of the ocean, but we are interested in further research on a relief at the site that is apparently painted and resembles a cow," Kimura said.

"We want to determine the makeup of the paint. I would also like to carry out subsurface research."

Natural Forces

Toru Ouchi, an associate professor of seismology at Kobe University, supports Kimura's hypothesis.

Ouchi said that he has never seen tectonic activity having such an effect on a landscape either above or below the water.

"I've dived there as well and touched the pyramid," he said. "What Professor Kimura says is not exaggerated at all. It's easy to tell that those relics were not caused by earthquakes."

Boston University's Schoch, meanwhile, is just as certain that the Yonaguni formations are natural.

He suggests that holes in the rock, which Kimura believes were used to support posts, were merely created by underwater eddies scouring at depressions.

Lines of smaller holes were formed by marine creatures exploiting a seam in the rock, he said.

"The first time I dived there, I knew it was not artificial," Schoch said. "It's not as regular as many people claim, and the right angles and symmetry don't add up in many places."

He emphasizes that he is not accusing anyone of deliberately falsifying evidence.

But many of the photos tend to give a perfect view of the site, making the lines look as regular as possible, he said.

Schoch also says he has seen what Kimura believes to be renderings of animals and human faces at the site.

"Professor Kimura says he has seen some kind of writing or images, but they are just scratches on a rock that are natural," he said.

"He interprets them as being manmade, but I don't know where he's coming from."

But Kimura is undeterred by critics, adding that the new governor of Okinawa Prefecture and officials from the United Nations Educational, Scientific, and Cultural Organization have recently expressed interest in verifying the site.

http://www.divejapan.com/images/yonaguni.JPG
http://www.weirdasianews.com/wp-content/uploads/2008/04/japan-pyramid.jpg

"The best way to get a definitive answer about their origins is to keep going back and collecting more evidence," he continued.

"If I'd not had a chance to see these structures for myself, I might be skeptical as well."

Divers Find World's Oldest Building

Source: http://www.cyberspaceorbit.com/phikent/japan/japan2.html

A STRUCTURE thought to be the world's oldest building, nearly twice the age of the great pyramids of Egypt, has been discovered. The rectangular stone ziggurat under the sea off the coast of Japan could be the first evidence of a previously unknown Stone Age civilisation, say archeologists.

The monument is 600ft wide and 90ft high and has been dated to at least 8000BC. The oldest pyramid in Egypt, the Step Pyramid at Saqqara, was constructed more than 5,000 years later.

The structure off Yonaguni, a small island southwest of Okinawa, was first discovered 75ft underwater by scuba divers 10 years ago and locals believed it was a natural phenomenon.

Professor Masaki Kimura, a geologist at Ryukyu University in Okinawa, was the first scientist to investigate the site and has concluded that the mysterious five-layer structure was man-made. "The object has not been manufactured by nature. If that had been the case, one would expect debris from erosion to have collected around the site, but there are no rock fragments there," he said.

The discovery of what appears to be a road surrounding the building was further evidence that the structure was made by humans, he added.

Robert Schoch, professor of geology at Boston University, dived at the site last month. "It basically looks like a series of huge steps, each about a metre high. Essentially, it's a cliff face like the side of a stepped pyramid. It's a very interesting structure," he said. "It's possible that natural water erosion combined with the process of cracked rocks splitting created such a structure, but I haven't come across such processes creating a structure as sharp as this."

Further evidence that the structure is the work of humans came with the discovery of smaller underwater stone mounds nearby. Like the main building, these mini-ziggurats are made of stepped slabs and are about 10m wide and 2m high.

Kimura said it was too early to know who built the monument or its purpose. "The structure could be an ancient religious shrine, possibly celebrating an ancient deity resembling the god Nirai-Kanai, whom locals say gave happiness to the people of Okinawa from beyond the sea. This could be evidence of a new culture as there are no records of a people intelligent enough to have built such a monument 10,000 years ago," he said.

"This could only have been done by a people with a high degree of technology, probably coming from the Asian continent, where the oldest civilisations originate. There would have to have been some sort of machinery involved to have created such a huge structure."

Teruaki Ishii, professor of geology at Tokyo University, said the structure dated back to at least 8000BC when the land on which it was constructed was submerged at the end of the last ice age. "I hope this site is artificial as it would be very exciting. But at this time I feel it is too early to say. I think the structure could be natural, but part of it may have been made," he said.

The first signs of civilisation in Japan are traced to the Neolithic period around 9000BC. The people at this time lived as hunters and food- gatherers. There is nothing in the archeological record to suggest the presence of a culture advanced enough to have built a structure like the ziggurat.

British archeologists are, however, cautiously enthusiastic about the discovery which will be featured this summer in a Channel 4 documentary.

Jim Mower, an archeologist at University College London, said: "If it is confirmed that the site is as old as 10,000 years and is man-made, then this is going to change an awful lot of the previous thinking on southeast Asian history. It would put the people who made the monument on a par with the ancient civilisation of Mesopotamia and the Indus Valley."

[ytch]

thanx, mr bourne

[chattanova]

wow!:eek:
Any more info on this, maps o.s.?

Ancient Underwater City Discovered ? http://www.davidicke.com/forum/showthread.php?t=9067&highlight=underwater

[gripit]

Brilliant thread!

Investigations of Bolivia Fuente Magna and the Monolith of Pokotia (http://www.world-mysteries.com/sar_8.htm)

http://www.davidicke.com/forum/picture.php?albumid=297&pictureid=2664



A large stone vessel, resembling a libation bowl, and now known as the Fuente Magna, was originally discovered in a rather casual fashion by a country peasant from the ex-hacienda CHUA, property of the Manjon family situated in the surrounding areas of Lake Titicaca about 75/80 km from the city of La Paz.
The site where it was found has not been subject to investigation until recently.
The Fuente Magna has not been shown in Bolivia until year 2000. It was considered false, until we began the investigations.

The Fuente Magna was found The piece in question is a little out of place. It is beautifully engraved in chestnut-brown both inside and out. It reveals zoological motifs and anthropomorphic characters within.


http://www.davidicke.com/forum/picture.php?albumid=297&pictureid=2665

As soon as we came back from Chua, the UNAAR experts took a look at
the Fuente Magna in the museum of gold and took measurments, copied the symbols, etc..

As soon as they saw the 2 meters high Pokotia Monolith, they noticed signs on its front. They called me to see it. Semitic or even cuneiform, very similar to one on the second section of the Fuente Magna.
They got very excited and now they want to dig, investigate, etc.
We never figured something like this would happen.
I'm sending these pictures to EE.,UU., France, Israel, Egypt, to get the confirmation about the kind of "signography" and to find out if it is possible to translate it

Finally, the monolith from an early Tiahunaco`s period that nobody doubts is not a fake. The monolith and the Fuente Magna bowl are real. SEMITIC and CUNEIFORM writings in Tiahuanco - this has enormous significance.

We are handling it with caution.
We don't want the press behind us:
we are going to take one step at time... we have proofs but still want more...

[gripit]

Phaistos Disk (http://www.world-mysteries.com/sar_9.htm)

In a century which has seen the cracking of Linear B, Ugaritic, and other orthographic systems, the Phaistos Disk has eluded decipherment. The disk is thought to date from around 1700 BC.
History

The disc of Phaistos is the most important example of hieroglyphic inscription from Crete and was discovered in 1903 in a small room near the depositories of the "archive chamber", in the north - east apartments of the palace, together with a Linear A tablet and pottery dated to the beginning of the Neo-palatial period (1700- 1600 B.C.).

The exact location of Phaistos was first determined in the middle of the 19th century by the British admiral Spratt, while the archaeological investigation of the palace started in 1884 by the Italians F. Halbherr and A. Taramelli.

After the declaration of the independent Cretan State in 1898, excavations were carried out by F. Halbherr and L. Pernier in 1900-1904 and later, in 1950-1971, by Doro Levi, under the auspices of the Italian Archaeological School at Athens.

http://www.davidicke.com/forum/picture.php?albumid=297&pictureid=2666
The Phaistos Disk, today on display at the Iraklion Archaeological Museum,
was discovered in Crete in 1908.

[gripit]

The Catalan Atlas (http://www.world-mysteries.com/sar_10.htm)

The Catalan Atlas, is the finest work to come from the Majorcan cartographic school of the fourteenth century. Most probably produced in 1375 (the date that appears on the perpetual calendar accompanying the maps) and attributed, though without certainty, to Cresques Abraham , the atlas was already recorded in Charles V's library, in the inventory drawn up by Gilles Malet and copied by Jean Blanchet in 1380.

http://www.davidicke.com/forum/picture.php?albumid=297&pictureid=2667
Cosmographical diagram: the Earth, personified by an astronomer holding an astrolabe, is situated in the center of the Universe. It is surrounded by concentric circles representing the four elements, the seven planets (the spheres and their personifications), the signs of the zodiac, the positions and phases of the moon. The diagram is framed by the personifications of the four seasons.

(BNF, Esp 30), The Catalan Atlas, Spain, Majorca 14th century.

[gripit]

Voynich Manuscript (http://www.world-mysteries.com/sar_13.htm)

The Voynich Manuscript is considered to be 'The Most Mysterious Manuscript in the World'. To this day this medieval artifact resists all efforts at translation.
It is either an ingenious hoax or an unbreakable cipher.

The manuscript is named after its discoverer, the American antique book dealer and collector, Wilfrid M. Voynich, who discovered it in 1912, amongst a collection of ancient manuscripts kept in villa Mondragone in Frascati, near Rome, which had been by then turned into a Jesuit College (closed in 1953).

http://www.davidicke.com/forum/picture.php?albumid=297&pictureid=2669
The Voynich Manuscript is a cipher manuscript, sometimes attributed to Roger Bacon. Scientific text in an unidentified language, in cipher, possibly written in central Europe in the 15th century.

Based on the evidence of the calligraphy, the drawings, the vellum, and the pigments, Wilfrid Voynich estimated that the Manuscript was created in the late 13th century. The manuscript is small, seven by ten inches, but thick, nearly 235 pages. It is written in an unknown script of which there is no known other instance in the world. It is abundantly illustrated with awkward coloured drawings of:

* unidentified plants;
* what seems to be herbal recipes;
* tiny naked women frolicking in bathtubs connected by intricate plumbing looking more like anatomical parts than hydraulic contraptions;
* mysterious charts in which some have seem astronomical objects seen through a telescope, some live cells seen through a microscope;
* charts into which you may see a strange calendar of zodiacal signs, populated by tiny naked people in rubbish bins.

No one really knows the origins of the manuscript. The experts believe it is European They believe it was written between the 15th and 17th centuries.

From a piece of paper which was once attached to the Voynich manuscript, and which is now stored in one of the boxes belonging with the Voynich manuscript holdings of the Beinecke library, it is known that the manuscript once formed part of the private library of Petrus Beckx S.J., 22nd general of the Society of Jesus.

http://www.davidicke.com/forum/picture.php?albumid=297&pictureid=2671
A sample of untranslatable text from the Voynich manuscript

There is no other example of the language in which the manual is written.
It is an alphabetic script, but of an alphabet variously reckoned to have from nineteen to twenty-eight letters, none of which bear any relationship to any English or European letter system. The text has no apparent corrections. There is evidence for two different "languages" (investigated by Currier and D'Imperio) and more than one scribe, probably indicating an ambiguous coding scheme. Apparently, Voynich wanted to have the mysterious manuscript deciphered and provided photographic copies to a number of experts. However, despite the efforts of many well known cryptologists and scholars, the book remains unread. There are some claims of decipherment, but to date, none of these can be substantiated with a complete translation.

[branjo]

This thread is a very important thread, when you breakdown all the conspiracies no matter what, they are all concerned with one thing and one thing only, preventing a human being from knowing who they really are. The negativity in some people will do anything to cover up the tracks of the truth no matter what the consequences.

The general population of the western unconcerned world has no idea anything modern exists beyond this cycle of civilization, for me this is the true awakening of people.

When people see that cultures far more advanced than ours made structures that we could not come close to constructing yet they co existed with other primitive cultures without the need to "convert" them, then the people of this world will have the sense of belonging to it that they once had a long time ago.

Granted the ruling "elite" and I absolutely dislike using the word "Elite" to describe these people born with a silver spoon in the mouth, know this and look at the amount of energy and power it gives them. They think knowing something that we don't is awesome and they choose who knows it thinking that it will last forever. They guard this knowledge with fear of death, the knowledge of, we are infinitely alive and can have anything we honestly desire with no limits.

For us there is only up, not down. They have only the loss of power to look forward to. They will try to convince you that you'd be brought down with them if they fell. I say let go of the hatred of the Illuminati cause that's what they are clinging to in order to stay afloat.

Our history as earth bound human beings is flooding out of the cracks that are appearing in the dam, we know these PTB are running around trying to plug all the holes but if they think they are doing anything but postponing the inevitable they are sadly mistaken.

Ancient cities on Mars, Structures on the Moon, Extra Terrestrial evidence right in our own history books, huge structures all around the world depicting the stars with exact precision, yet some people laugh at the mention of life in the galaxy other than our own. "ooooh little green men ha ha ha"

I think society's tune is going to change from the "tin foil hat" to the "timeout hat".

"So you think your alone in the Universe and the only planet with life on it with the true one connection to god?, then put this hat on and go and stand in the corner until you get over yourself" ..:D

Keep it up guys, fascinating stuff !!!!

[gripit]

Electric Lights in Egypt? (http://www.world-mysteries.com/sar_lights_fd1.htm)

It is a widespread belief in alternative science that our forefathers possessed a much greater technological knowledge than our schoolbook science is willing to accept. Many of those theories are lacking serious foundation and are often based on overdrawn speculations, like the Manna machine.

http://www.davidicke.com/forum/picture.php?albumid=297&pictureid=2674
In the temple of Hathor at Dendera, several dozens of kilometers
north of Luxor, there are reliefs interpreted by some "experts" as lamps.

But the theory that electricity was known and used in antiquity seems to rest on a much more stable foundation. The key to the whole theory lies a few hundred kilometers east of Egypt, in today's Iraq. There some strange pots were found. Some contained watertight copper cylinders, glued into the opening with asphalt. In the middle of the cylinder was an iron rod, held in place also with asphalt. The excavator who found the first of these pots in 1936 was sure: this is a galvanic element, a primitive battery. Reconstructions did indeed show that it was possible to create electricity with it.

Another key element for the electro-thesis is actually something that is missing.
It's a riddle where schoolbook science is capitulating. Soot. In none of the many thousands of subterranean tombs and pyramid shafts was found a single trace of soot, as we are told by the authors of the electro-thesis, although many of these tombs are full of often colourful paintings. But the primitive light sources the Egyptians knew (candles, oil lamps etc.) are always leaving soot and are using oxygen. So how DID the Egyptians get their light? Some rationalists are arguing with mirrors, but the quality of the copper plates the Egyptians used as mirrors were not good enough for that.

In this temple in Dendera, several dozens of kilometers north of Luxor, some experts found the light. A Norwegian electrical engineer noticed that the object shown on the relief on top of this page could work as a lamp. An Austrian colleague was able to construct a working model, and two well known authors in the AAS, Peter Krassa and Rainer Habeck, could even work out a real theory based on it. What we see is without question a form of bulb, with two arms reaching into it near its thick end, and a sort of cable at the other end, from where a snake is leaping out to touch the arms on the other side. The whole ensemble really looks like a lamp.

http://www.davidicke.com/forum/picture.php?albumid=297&pictureid=2675
Another picture from the crypts of Dendera:
Eastern relief on south wall

Is this the proof? Did the Egyptians know and use electric lights? If so, where did they get the principle from? Was it from their own invention, or did they have help?

[white horse]

Electric Lights in Egypt? (http://www.world-mysteries.com/sar_lights_fd1.htm)

It is a widespread belief in alternative science that our forefathers possessed a much greater technological knowledge than our schoolbook science is willing to accept. Many of those theories are lacking serious foundation and are often based on overdrawn speculations, like the Manna machine.

http://www.davidicke.com/forum/picture.php?albumid=297&pictureid=2674
In the temple of Hathor at Dendera, several dozens of kilometers
north of Luxor, there are reliefs interpreted by some "experts" as lamps.

But the theory that electricity was known and used in antiquity seems to rest on a much more stable foundation. The key to the whole theory lies a few hundred kilometers east of Egypt, in today's Iraq. There some strange pots were found. Some contained watertight copper cylinders, glued into the opening with asphalt. In the middle of the cylinder was an iron rod, held in place also with asphalt. The excavator who found the first of these pots in 1936 was sure: this is a galvanic element, a primitive battery. Reconstructions did indeed show that it was possible to create electricity with it.

Another key element for the electro-thesis is actually something that is missing.
It's a riddle where schoolbook science is capitulating. Soot. In none of the many thousands of subterranean tombs and pyramid shafts was found a single trace of soot, as we are told by the authors of the electro-thesis, although many of these tombs are full of often colourful paintings. But the primitive light sources the Egyptians knew (candles, oil lamps etc.) are always leaving soot and are using oxygen. So how DID the Egyptians get their light? Some rationalists are arguing with mirrors, but the quality of the copper plates the Egyptians used as mirrors were not good enough for that.

In this temple in Dendera, several dozens of kilometers north of Luxor, some experts found the light. A Norwegian electrical engineer noticed that the object shown on the relief on top of this page could work as a lamp. An Austrian colleague was able to construct a working model, and two well known authors in the AAS, Peter Krassa and Rainer Habeck, could even work out a real theory based on it. What we see is without question a form of bulb, with two arms reaching into it near its thick end, and a sort of cable at the other end, from where a snake is leaping out to touch the arms on the other side. The whole ensemble really looks like a lamp.

http://www.davidicke.com/forum/picture.php?albumid=297&pictureid=2675
Another picture from the crypts of Dendera:
Eastern relief on south wall

Is this the proof? Did the Egyptians know and use electric lights? If so, where did they get the principle from? Was it from their own invention, or did they have help?

'Free' energy - rediscoverd years later by Tesla...

That's right - it's all about us not discovering who we really are and what can really be achieved.

Think about it - you can do NOTHING without the say so of a beaurocrat...

[branjo]

I have heard that the Baghdad battery could have been used by the everyday people to electroplate metal so it would appear like gold, so some ancient artifacts or religious stuff could just be gold plated instead of solid gold. Or poor people weren't denied the knowledge of creating their own jewelry or spiritual things in likeness to the actual solid gold stuff that temples and the like would have had inside.

If you take a look at Stephen Mehlers description of these pictures you speak of it will give you another point of reference, the Greeks named Egypt but before that it was called Khemit and his teacher through a passed down oral tradition states many different things that the historians or so called Egyptologists wouldn't dare admit.

http://video.google.com/videoplay?docid=5387825475001846186&ei=wwzESePCCaCI-gHwy6CjBA&q=stephen+mehler&hl=en

The Egyptian's dynasties as we know them for instance had absolutely nothing to do with building the Pyramids. They found them just like everyone found them, by going and looking at them. The Khemitians are said to be the ones who constructed them because they used them exactly for the purposes they were built, Health, Power and Wisdom. Now they too might not have built them I can't be factual about that, but if they knew how to use them then they know who did or they did in fact build them, either way they knew.

We know the Egyptians didn't build them because there are no hieroglyphs in them at all, not a single one, and no where in Egypt is there a hieroglyph depicting the Egyptians building them and it wouldn't be like them to not document something so monumental.

What Stephen Mehler did was redefine the entire nature of the history from the very words we have grown accustom to, the word Pyramid means in Greek(i think) "Fire in the middle" which means some sort of power was being utilized. His definition that the word Pharaoh hasn't been understood also was outstanding, it was said to mean High house or His house but the true meaning was Her house, Egypt was a matriarchal society not a patriarchal one. Even the Sphinx had a beard attached to it that later fell off which was to hide the shame of men being ruled by women.

We also know that the polished limestone that came from the pyramids ended up in Cairo being used to build other things like Temples and such, so if the pyramids where built by the Egyptian Pharaohs people there is no way in heck they would have been pillaged to build anything else. It would be like tearing chunks of the Empire State building just to build a bank or a church, never going to happen until the empire that built them is long gone.

Also take a look at Christopher Dunn's research of the Pyramids in the same lecture as Stephen Mehlers, showing actual proof of the side effects of using this magnificent structure for the purposes of its design. Namely scorch marks deep into granite, and chemical stains on certain ducts and channels and residue around holes, and even gold, like in the electroplating process.

http://video.google.com/videoplay?docid=2676128221474744663&ei=Xw_ESeiWHoH4-wHnx_HiAQ&q=giza+power+plants&hl=en

[gripit]

It's really sad how many people cover their ears "LALALAL...I-AM-NOT- LISTENING". People love being lied to...I guess.

more stuff...comments are from s8aint.com, not mine :)

The Mysterious Egyptian Tri-Lobed Disc (http://www.s8int.com/phile/page52.html)

In the first wing of the Egyptian Museum of the Cairo between two rooms close to the Momias Room, one cannot help but be surprised to see in a small display cabinet, although not without some difficulty caused by the reflections of the light on the crystal that covers it, a solitary object similar to a wheel or stone disc.

http://www.davidicke.com/forum/picture.php?albumid=297&pictureid=2678

This strange object has disturbed and continues disturbing all the Egyptologists that have had occasion to study it at great length. The first of them was its discoverer, Brian Walter Emery, one of the most important Egyptologists of 20th Century and the author of a classic volume on Egyptology, Archaic Egypt, that continues to be, after many years, an important bibliographical reference for the study and an understanding of the origins of the Old Egyptian Civilization.

Making excavations in 1936, in the archaeological zone of Sakkara, he discovered the Tomb of Prince Sabu. He was the son of Adjuib Pharaoh, governor of the I Dynasty (3,000 B.C.).

Between utensils of funeral objects that were extracted, Emerys attention was powerfully drawn by an object that he initially defined in his report on the Great Tombs of the I Dynasty as: "... a container in the form of schist bowl...".

Years later, in his previously mentioned work, Archaic Egypt, he commented on the object with a word that perfectly summarizes the reality of the situation and the discomfort the object causes; "cachibache" (a small hole that threatens to become a much larger hole)"...

A satisfactory explanation has not yet been obtained on the peculiar design of this object...".

This object is approximately 61 centimeters in diameter, and 10.6 centimeters in height in the center. It is made of schist, a very fragile and delicate rock, which requires very laborious carving.

Its form resembles that of a plate or a concave steering wheel of a car, with a series of three cuts or curved "shovels" that resemble the helix of a boat, and in the center, an orifice with a rim that acts as the outside receiver of some axis of a wheel or some other unknown mechanism, arranged to turn.

As it is well known by all, the official position maintained by Egyptology with respect to the appearance and use of the wheel on the part of the Egyptians, is very clear and leaves no room for doubt. The introduction of the wheel in Egypt they assure us, coincided with the invasion of the Hicsos at the end of the Medium Empire, in 1640 B.C.,

They used it, on among other things, their military chariots.

The question then is inevitable: if it is not a wheel, what is the strange object that appeared in the Tomb of Prince Sabu, 1,400 years before the invasion of the Hicsos?

In spite of the complexity of this problem, the subject has become even more serious as a result of the technical studies that a variety of investigators have made, impelled by the surprising and strange design of this device.

As well, the Egyptologist Cyril Aldred reached the conclusion that, independently of what the object was used for or what it represented, its design was without a doubt, a copy of a previous, much older metallic object.

In fact, this schist wheel appeared in Tomb of Prince Sabu, along with other strange copper objects, practically the only metal that the Egyptians then knew.

The doubt that has been plaguing us is wondering how the ancient Egyptians could design so delicate and complex a structural object more than 5,000 years ago.

A structure that in the case of the three strange cuts or curved shovels, induces one to think almost immediately about the use of this object in an average liquid.

This detail, next to the excellent orifice in the central part, makes us also suspect that this object is only a small part of a more complex mechanism, and that it was saved thanks to a stone reproduction for some unknown reason, made by an artist, with unknown tools.

But..., what mechanisms existed 5,000 years ago in the Valley of the Nile?

According to the typical and expected view of the archaeologists and pro-government Egyptologists, this object is no more than a tray or the pedestal of some candelabrum, with a design a product of blind chance".

Although by chance, this peculiar object closely mirrors the design of one of the pieces that Lockheed developed to be fitted hermetically within a full case of lubricant.

Be that as it may, this object found in a tomb of Sakkara with an age at a minimum of 5,000 years, continues to constitute one of the most perplexing Egyptian and ancient mysteries.. Translated from the Italian by s8int.com, Ciao! Source: EgiptoOculto

Additional Comments

One of the most unusual pieces is a strange circular object, fashioned in schist and with a central hub which gives it the appearance of having been designed to fit onto a pole.

Bearing in mind that it is of pre-dynastic date, circa 3000 BC, it represents supreme ability in working hard stone, the "lobes" looking as though they had been bent over. Indeed, it is possible that it is a copy of an original copper artifact.

One theorist who has attempted to explain its function is William Kay, an English engineer. He has suggested that it was actually a ritualistic tri-flamed oil lamp.

A wick system comprising six bundles of rushes, bound together, were held in place by the lobes and thus kept immersed in the oil. If the ends of the four bundles were separated sufficiently, then twelve separate flames may have resulted instead of three.

The numbers 3 and 12 are recognised as having symbolic significance for the ancient Egyptians. Bill Kay's concept seems entirely reasonable, especially in the light of a pole-supported oil lamp from Deir el Medina, also exhibited in the Cairo Museum. Ianlawton.com

http://www.davidicke.com/forum/picture.php?albumid=297&pictureid=2679

Possible Usage for Tri-lobed Bowl

Emery (1972) suggests that the artifact may have been carved in the imitation of a metal vessel's form, with a center hole that was originally designed to fit on a pedestal.

Possible competition between metal and stone vessel artisans may have been one of the reasons for the development of artistic expression in ornamental stone vessel forms during the Early Dynastic Period (El-Khouli 1978).

William Kay has suggested that the vessel was a ritualistic tri-flamed oil lamp, in which bundles of rushes, immersed in oil, acted as the wicks.

These bundles of rushes were held in place by the lobes, and the vessel was suspended on a pedestal inserted through the center. Whether it was actually used for this purpose is uncertain.

The fragile nature of such an intricately carved stone object greatly limits is practical usage and suggests a purely ornamental function, being of a religious or other such ritualistic purpose.

Although it has been suggested the vessel was meant to be held on a pedestal, the center tube may also have been used as a stand for holding another vessel or object. Smith (1981) has suggested that the center tube was a container.

Tubes of rock were used by the ancient Egyptians to hold round-bottomed vessels, and there are many examples of these throughout the dynastic Egypt, including from the Early Dynastic Period (El-Khouli 1978).

[lightgiver]

A wonderful doco I came across that speaks of Giants and the Nephilim as described in the bible.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2PWxg-1KtiY

If video does not stick,just U tube this, Giants (Nephilim) Myth and Mystery.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2jYJednAcTc

Chariots of the Gods 1/6

The oldest image of a star pattern, that of the famous constellation of Orion, has been recognised on an ivory tablet some 32,500 years old.The tiny sliver of mammoth tusk contains a carving of a man-like figure with arms and legs outstretched in the same pose as the stars of Orion. The claim is made by Dr Michael Rappenglueck, formerly of the University of Munich, who is already renowned for his pioneering work locating star charts painted on the walls of prehistoric caves. The tablet also contains mysterious notches, carved on its sides and on its back. These could be a primitive "pregnancy calendar", designed to estimate when a pregnant woman will give birth.

It was found in 1979 in a cave in the Ach Valley in the Alb-Danube region of Germany. Carbon dating of bone ash deposits found next to the tablet suggest it is between 32,500 and 38,000 years old, making it one of the oldest representations of a man ever found. It was left behind by the mysterious Aurignacian people about whom we know next to nothing save that they moved into Europe from the east supplanting the indigenous Neanderthals.

The ivory tablet is small, measuring only 38 x 14 x 4 millimetres, but from the notches carved into its edges archaeologists believe that it was made that size and is not a fragment of something bigger. On one side of the tablet is the man-like being with his legs apart and arms raised. Between his legs hangs what could be a sword and his waist is narrow. His left leg is shorter than his right one.

From what is speculated about the myths of these ancient peoples before the dawn of history, archaeologists have suggested that the man-like figure could be praying or dancing, or be a half-man, half-cat, or a divine being. But Michael Rappenglueck thinks it is a drawing of the constellation of Orion that is nowadays, and was perhaps also 32,000 years ago, called the hunter.

The proportions of the man correspond to the pattern of stars that comprise Orion, especially its slim waist - which corresponds to its famous belt of three stars and the left "leg" of the constellation being shorter. The "sword" on the ivory tablet also corresponds to a famous and well-know feature that can be seen in Orion.

There are also other indications that Dr Rappenglueck may be correct. The stars were in slightly different positions 32,000 years ago because they are moving across the sky at different speeds and in different directions, a phenomenon called "proper motion". Dr Rappenglueck allowed for this effect by using a computer program to wind back the sky and found evidence for a particular star in Orion that was in a different place all those years ago.

The tablet may also be a pregnancy calendar.There are 86 notches on the tablet, a number that has two special meanings. First, it is the number of days that must be subtracted from a year to equal the average number of days of a human gestation. This is no coincidence, says Dr Rappenglueck. It is also the number of days that one of Orion's two prominent stars, Betelguese, is visible. To ancient man, this might have linked human fertility with the gods in the sky. Orion is one of the most striking constellations. The Ancient Egyptians identified it with their god Osiris and it has a special significance for many cultures throughout history throughout the world.

http://www.crystalinks.com/orion.html

[branjo]

It is amazing that the carbon dating process is just the poor soul who is closest to the artifact.

Good info Lightgiver, very interesting.

[chattanova]

500 Million Year Old Footprint in Rock

http://img01.picoodle.com/img/img01/3/4/21/kennet/f_stoneprintm_2ed7a43.jpg

This fossilized sandal print is embedded in rock which is supposed to be from 300 million to 600 million years old. 500 Million Year Old Sandal Print---Size 9 It's clear that the rock was formed After this print was made.

Now, either 1)This is a fake (its been tested and is not) 2)or--This rock is not really 300 million plus years old 3)or---the rock is 300 million plus years old and man was around 300 million years ago.

This artifact was found in Utah in the 1960's. It's no wonder that geologists and the like are not swarming over it because, whichever of the solutions you accept above (except that it's a fake), it obliterates a number of the tenets of modern dating, geology and evolutionary science.

http://www.s8int.com/page5.html

Large Shoe Print in Rock

http://img06.picoodle.com/img/img06/3/4/6/kennet/f_rockprintm_d8f39f3.jpg

This photo was taken in northern Washington state and was reportedly found with another partial imprint. It appears to be the shoeprint of a large individual (see man's shoe in lower left of photo for comparison)approximately 16 inches long from heel to toe.

The rock itself is judged by geologists in "evolutionary time" (as opposed to actual time) to be between 10 and 20 million years old. The point is, according to evolutionary theory, no one should have been around early enough to leave a shoe imprint in what is now solid rock. No one should have been around to draw one either.

There remains the possibilty of course that someone painstakingly chiseled out two convincing shoeprints in recent times and left them on a mountain.

http://www.s8int.com/page5.html

[chattanova]

The London Artifact

http://img01.picoodle.com/img/img01/3/4/21/kennet/f_londonartifm_28aeab2.jpg

From the Creation Evidence Museum. Follow the link to learn more. This is a hammer made from an alloy of iron which is very modern in technology, which is encased in "100 million" year old rock (according to geologists) which has formed around it.

You know the drill: fake; lousy geological aging techniques; or lousy evolutionary timeframes? I say perhaps a pre-flood relic given that the technology is modern yet it is encased in rock at least a couple of thousand years old. The following is excerpted from "Darwin's Mistake", by Hans Zilner.

"This ancient tool has a simple form, similar to the type of hammer that is still common in Germany today. The handle now is a very hard petrified crystal with an intact structure. It was possible to ascertain that the interior of the handle had partly turned into porous coal.

There is no way to scientifically explain this combination of carbonization and petrification. I have not heard of a similar piece, found anywhere in the world. Two very different processes must have occurred simultaneously or in short succession. Crystal petrifaction requires an ecosphere of running water whereas for the development of porous coal, one could, for example, assume that fire was the necessary agent. Water and fire, it goes without saying, are two very different and mutually exclusive elements.

The analysis of the subsiding of the Flood, to be undertaken at a later point in this book, will explain what now looks like a contradiction. The outer layers of the hammer handle reminded me of the petrified stumps and piles of wood I had seen earlier at the "Petrified Forest National Park" in Arizona, on a visit in 1988.

The exhibits there, pieces of the cut up piles of wood, had completely petrified and displayed a homogenous crystal structure. I do not know of one piece discovered in that park to contain a coal interior comparable to that of the fossil hammer. The age of the trees there is officially estimated at between 100 and 200 million years.

Wood petrifies when it is buried in silt deposited by flooding rivers or seas and silicates, such as are found in volcanic ash, dissolve and impregnate it. These substances replace the hydrogen and oxygen portions in the wood and begin the petrifaction process by silicification. This may produce very solid opal or quartz minerals. The final product is approximately 5 times as heavy as common pine wood.

This short description of the hammer handle should make it obvious that the fossil hammer must be authentic and very ancient. In spite of all our modern technical abilities, it has never been possible to produce petrified wood with porous coal inside.

It therefore is out of the question that such a hammer could be a hoax. I must clearly emphasize this point, as most artifacts which contradict the accepted view of the world we are accustomed to, are accused of being forgeries. Our traditional

schools of thought, however, are at a loss to explain this hammer.

Petrified wood, and therefore this ancient tool, is supposed to be at least 140 million years old. Official scientific authorities, however, say that humans capable of manufacturing high quality tools have only existed for a few recent millenia. Something concerning these datings and the enormous time intervals of the geological era must be erroneous.

Is humanity really many millions of years old or is it a young species? Did the processes of rock formation take place more recently than is believed?

http://img19.picoodle.com/img/img19/3/4/6/kennet/f_london2m_0f081d9.jpg

Examination of the hammer.

Before I look into these questions, I would like to give a more detailed description of the hammerhead's characteristics in order to make the full extent of the mystery clear.

Detailed research was carried out independently of one another by two different institutes. John Mackay, Director of Australia's "Creation Science Foundation", analyzed the hammer thoroughly during his visit to the United States.

A number of Australian metallurgists, as well as those working at the respected metallurgic Institute "Batelle Memorial Laboratory" in Columbus, Ohio (USA), took part in these analyses.

Sophisticated electron microscopes served to examine the structure and composition of the steel the hammerhead was made of.

The results of the examinations were as mysterious as they were bewildering. The hammerhead, chemically speaking, consisted of 96.6 % iron, 2.6 % chlorine, and 0.74 sulphur. Incredibly, this material is almost entirely solid iron!

Other additives or impurities were not detectable. Non-destructive testing methods of steel quality comprise x-ray examination, magnetic testing as well as ultrasonic detection. X-rays showed no evidence of inclusions or irregularities in the hammerhead steel. This means, it was tempered and hardened in some way.

In general, chemically genuine and unworked steel is rather soft. The even structure determined, however, suggests that this hard steel that was manufactured by some sophisticated technology. The results of the examination are as sensational as they are unbelievable. Anyone with the slightest knowledge of steel manufacturing knows that every modern steel-making process, inevitably leads to carbon or silicon impurities! I emphasize the word inevitably. Steel production without these impurities is simply unthinkable!

No other known ingredients used for refinement such as copper, titanium, manganese, cobalt, or molybdenum, vanadium, wolfram or nickel could be traced. We employ these and other elements in steel manufacturing to achieve different properties needed for different fields of application.

The high quantity of the chlorine in the fossil hammerhead is remarkable, as well. Chlorine plays no part in modern steel manufacturing. It is not used at all today, so it is impossible to produce the high steel quality of the type found here by today's manufacturing methods.

This leads us to the question; who manufactured this hammer and when? Based on the standpoint of accepted research and science, it is impossible for this hammer to exist, much less to have ever been manufactured. For the reasons given, it is thus out of the question that we are dealing with a "hoax" hammerhead.

Much the same has been shown concerning the hammer handle. Two forgery-proof materials for which we have no scientific explanation, combined in one tool.

This is extraordinary evidence of a very different history of earth and humankind! If our school teachings are correct, there is no other conclusion than that an alien visiting earth must have lost the hammer.

Still, I have one other more logical explanation to offer and I will present it in the further course of this book: My explanation, however, is not in accordance with traditional scientific theory. The fossil hammer shows still more peculiar features. In breaking open the hammer's original stone enclosure in 1934, the upper edge of the metal head was damaged, leaving a small notch. The inside of the notch revealed a shiny silvery surface.

Until today, more than 60 years later, the color of the notch has not changed. No traces of rust are perceptible. The relatively high concentration of chlorine combined with a total absence of carbon, which would cause corrosion by reacting with oxygen, may be responsible for this phenomenon...." Hans Zillner from his book: Darwin's Mistake

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Either it is a fake or its real and from that time, or a time traveler and a big pair of hush puppies.

This has to be getting extremely hard to hide for the mainstream archeologists to even begin to dismiss, not talking just about the imprints but everything. Then again when you rely on the media to deliver a message, its like a postman handing your mail to the next door neighbors pitbull.

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Ancient Metal Pipes in Chinese Lake and Mountain

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The widespread news of mysterious iron pipes at the foot of Mount Baigong, located in the depths of the Qaidam Basin, Qinghai Province, has roused concern from related departments.

What is astonishing is inside for there is a half-pipe about 40 centimeters in diameter tilting from the top to the inner end of the cave. Another pipe of the same diameter goes into the earth with only its top visible above the ground.

At the opening of the cave there are a dozen pipes at the diameter between 10 and 40 centimeters run into the mount straightly, showing high fixing technique.

About 80 meters away from the caves is the shimmering Toson Lake, on whose beach 40 meters away, many iron pipes can be found scattered on sands and rocks. They run in the east-west direction with a diameter between 2 and 4.5 centimeters. They are of various strange shapes and the thinnest is like a toothpick, but not blocked inside after years of sand movement.


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More strange is that there are also some pipes in the lake, some reaching above water surface and some buried below, with similar shapes and thickness with those on the beach.

DELINGHA (QINGHAI), -- A group of nine Chinese scientists will go to west China's Qinghai Province this month to closely examine the relics....

..According to Qin Jianwen, head of the publicity department of the Delingha government, the scraps were once taken to a local smeltery for analysis. The result shows that they are made up of 30 percent ferric oxide with a large amount of silicon dioxide and calcium oxide. Eight percent of the content could not be identified.

"The large content of silicon dioxide and calcium oxide is a result of long interaction between iron and sandstone, which means the pipes must be very old," said Liu Shaolin, the engineer who did the analysis.

"This result has made the site even more mysterious," Qin said."Nature is harsh here. There are no residents let alone modern industry in the area, only a few migrant herdsmen to the north of the mountain."

Parts of two Stories originally published by:

Xinhua News Agency, China - June 19,2002,June 25, 2002

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[chattanova]

The Enigmalith

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The circumstances of my discovery: I found my Rock in a rural area, at least 25 feet from the nearest trail (which was dirt and faint), not near any urban areas, industrial complexes, electrical or electronic establishments, nuclear facilities, airports, or military operations (that I was aware of).

The immediate ground was undisturbed. I was hiking in shorts. One of my instruments indicated on the other side of a pair of dense bushes.

I rashly thought that the best way of reaching that area was to pass between the bushes.

However, when I tried, the bushes began to painfully poke and scratch my legs. To get through, I vigorously shuffled my feet and stumbled out onto the other side. Once on the other side, I looked down at my ankles to inspect the damage, and then noticed my Rock a few inches from my heel.

The only thing visible of the component was the tip of its three pins. I immediately recognized the pattern as being similar to that used in electrical connectors, and picked it up.

It was definitely a Rock that I had just kicked up because it had a layer of moist loose dirt and some pliable root strands sticking out of it - evidence that it had been completely buried between or very near the bushes.

I don't know how deep it was buried or the type of soil - perhaps as much as a couple of inches - or exactly where it had laid.

The bushes were fairly large, and of a species that I believe lives for many decades. Once I cleared away the loose dirt and roots, I found that my Rock was encased in a hard layer of dried mud or clay.

I later spent hours scraping, brushing, probing and washing away the mud/clay to get a clear view of my Rock and its component.

For fear of ridicule and Government and skeptics harassment and possible persecution of my family and I to rip-off or destroy my Rock and discredit me, and also to give me the time to try to find some manmade explanation for it, I quietly and secretly held on to it for several years.

Only last year, after I had exhausted my efforts to find a modern manmade duplicate of my Rock or its component, did I decide to get it professionally and objectively evaluated, and took the risks of exposing it to the public for that purpose.

OBSERVED PROPERTIES & DIMENSIONS

My Rock appears as in the photo images above. My Rock's material is solid natural quartz and feldspar granite (very little observed mica; I am not a Geologist) - not an accretion, concretion or pumice - does not contain any resins, cements, glues, limestone, mortar, or other non-granite binding agents - is very hard, is estimated to be at least 100,000 years old, and has embedded in it an electrical-like component (I assume to be a connector of some sort).

Within an error of about 0.2 mm for all dimensions, my Rock is 61 mm long, 38 mm wide (at its widest), and 22 mm high (excluding the pins/rods/prongs).

It's embedded component's rods/pins/prongs ("pins") are made of some kind of electrically conductive material (I assume to be metal) and are of steel-like appearance. The component base/matrix ("base") is a whitish ceramic or rock-like material, and is definitely not a plastic, rubber, wood, or metal type material (relatively rare for most types of modern manmade electrical components, ceramic-based components are normally limited to high temperature, high radiation, high voltage, high power, and-or ultra-longterm uses).

The component itself is 8 mm diameter; its pins are 3 mm high, spacing between the pins is 2.5 mm, and pin thickness is 1 mm. Rounding at the ends of the pins indicate some long-term wear, so 3 mm may not be their original lengths.

All pins appear to be about the same size (wide-angle lens on digital camera distorts relative size of nearer objects to more distant ones).

While there is no indication that there ever was a fourth pin or any type of keying, the Component's base is raggedly chipped where a fourth pin might have been located if there was one, and scoring on my Stone itself leading up to the chipped area indicates that at some time my Rock and its component received a forceful glancing blow.

While the chipped side appears to be flat, it is not flat - the chip is deep. Ohmmeter readings (no matter what the connection polarity) indicate either open-circuit or very high impedance between the pins (FET-type or tube-type technology? Broken circuitry inside?).

I have also injected various electronic signals through the pins without any response or reaction being detected.

Some have speculated that the component is an XLR connector. I have done much research component searching on this, and it is NOT a XLR connector - or any other connector I know of.

X-RAYS: Several people have suggested that I get my Rock x-rayed - say from a dentist or local lab. This is not as easy of a process as some make it out to be. Most would not even listen to me.

Of the several that did listen, only a few would even consider it, and all of these insisted that I would have to leave my Rock in their possession and come back later to pick it up (yeah, sure!) - something I definitely will not do.

There is no indication of any cement or glue whatsoever on or near the Component. Using an ammo reloading scale, my Rock weighs close to 2.5 ounces. There is slight magnetic attraction (using a 10-lb pull rare earth magnet), to the Component, and to the bottom of my Rock underneath the Component.

Using a Spec-Tec Blacklight Unit (Model HD-1, Spectrum Technologies), "L" setting (longwave), there is some fluorescence along the rim of the Component.

Neither my Rock nor its Component appears to glow in the dark, change colors, emit sound, light or radio wave, or feel unusually warm or cold, or have anything that rattles around inside of it (radiological properties are untested and unknown at this time).

Some have speculated that my Rock is a thermal "rock" used with small animals, but extensive searching has not produced a single commercially made heat Rock that would verify this speculation, and no such match has ever been reported to me; and if it were a heat Rock, pin-to-pin resistances would be relatively low - not at or near open-circuit.

My Rock is NOT a heat rock.

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Chinese Pyramid Complex Rivals/Mirrors Giza Complex (+Mars Pyramids ??)

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Chinese Pyramid Complex Near Taiyuan Space Center

Here at s8int.com, we don't know what to make of the previously obscure Chinese Pyramid Complex shown below in an Ikonos Satellite photo. When were they built? Why were they built? Why was the pyramid the "shape du jour" for many ancient cultures around the world? Why the similarities between the layouts of the Giza and Taiyuan complexes? Why have the Chinese been so secretive about these approximately 100 pyramids? Dr. Clifford Paiva has an idea which he outlines below from an e-mail note but obviously, you can draw your own conclusions. We are not certain that the two satellite photos shown were taken from the same height.

1. It is apparent from Chapter IV; Section II of the Josephus’ Antiquities of the Jews, that the “tower” being constructed in Shinar was in fact a means of surviving another world inundation from God; therefore a global system of refuge from another flood was required…at least so says Nimrod. Hence the need for Nimrod’s cities of refuge.....at least I term it this way. Nimrod City Far West (Central America)…Mexico’s pyramids (towers) will be included later.

Left, Giza Complex, Right, Pyramid Complex near Taiyuan Space Center in Shanxi Province.
There are nearly 70 pyramids shown here at the Chinese site. Click and drag photo to resize.

2. These cities were constructed in nearly the same general time frame, and for the same reasons as outlined in Josephus. Nimrod wasn’t a complete idiot. He wasn’t attempting to reach Heaven…merely to survive another one of the Lord’s bad days…so to speak.

Nimrod maintained that God was really a nice person…at least most of the time. Folks down here (Earth) must however always be ready when He became somewhat out of sorts concerning Man. In other words although He said He wouldn’t flood the world again, are you willing to bet your life of this crucial element of faith? Best build and be safe.

4. What never really occurred to Nimrod in the midst of all this building is that all this energy is really wasted if God did in fact mean what He said concerning His decision never to flood the world again.

5. On a more serious note: the history of the world and mankind on this earth is in complete error.

6. (Hope Nimrod’s global pyramid refuge system is also fire-proof).
Cliff Paiva BSM Associates

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Anomalous Rock Formations; The Waffle Rock ++

Original Mineral Daily News-Tribune Article Headline:
Mystery rock from earth or alien spaceship?

Everyone enjoys a good mystery and the gigantic boulder- its belly laced like an over-sized waffle grill - continues to baffle visitors who come to the West Virginia side of Jennings Randolph Lake.

Waffle Rock, Jennings Randolph Lake.

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Some say the underside clearly shows a massive radiation burn left by the grid of a space ship which may have touched down eons ago or even more recently, say, 1,000 years ago.

Others, mainly among the professional community, will explain it as a natural geological formation. They do admit such formations are quite rare. Actually, the only other similar patterned rock was found on the east side of Tea Creek Mountain in Pocahontas County, West Virginia.

Dr. Jack B. Epstein of the Geological Survey, U.S. Department of the Interior, writes that the rock comes from part of the Conemaugh geologic series that was deposited about 300 million years ago during the Pennsylvanian Period. He surmises it fell from a parent outcrop somewhere higher up the slope, much higher.

Geologists believe sand was deposited by ancient streams and later consolidated into hard rock or sandstone. Such sandstone and layers of rock, both above and below, were thrown into large folds during earth's period of mountain building, known as the Appalachian Orogeny.

During this massive upheaval, the rock was fractured into a regular pattern, which is referred to as joints. Thus formed the precise geometric, waffle-like pattern or grid on the rock. Geologists theorize that after the rock was fractured, iron oxide was leached from the surrounding rock by percolating water and then deposited into the joints where it filled the voids between the sand grains, cementing them together extra strongly.

Think of it as a massive mix that formed its grids through the resulting dark red sandstone near the joints, which was more resistant to erosion and weathering than the surrounding pieces.

Was the so-called "waffle rock" really mixed, blended and baked by Mother Nature for the puzzlement of the observer? Or, is the boulder actually evidence of alien visitors who came to this planet millions of years ago, on shall we say, a seeding expedition?

Write and tell us what you think.

Is it a natural geological phenomenon, evidence of alien visitors, or a mysterious government project?

E-mail jstubbel@alleganyinternet.net or Mineral Daily News-Tribune, P.O. Box 879, Keyser, W.Va. 26726, or humans may just drop a note by our offices at 24 Armstrong Street.

Jennings Randolph Lake Tourist Piece on Waffle Rock

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"This is a boulder on display at Jennings Randolph Lake in Mineral County, West Virginia. There have been numerous theories and speculations as to its origin, ranging from a pictograph made by prehistoric man, an indian carving, the impression of the skin pattern of a giant lizard, or evidence of a visit to earth by an early travelers from outer space.

After examination of the phenomenon, Corps of Engineers geologists and those of other agencies have concluded that it is a natural geological formation. Although such formations are not common, similar patterned boulders were found on the east side of Tea Creek Mountain in Pocahontas County, West Virginia. Dr. Jack B. Epstein of the Geological Survey, U.S. Department of the interior, explained that the waffle rock is part of the Conemaugh geologic series that was deposited about 300 million years ago during the Pennsylvanian period.

It is surmised that the waffle rock is a large loose boulder that fell from a parent outcrop somewhere higher up the slope, many decades ago, before the present trees grew.

Mystery Rocks Near Fort Walsh in the Cypress Hills
Interprovincial Park, Canada.

Location: A 45 minute hike from Fort Walsh in the Cypress Hills Interprovincial Park. This is private land and permission is required from the owner (ask at Fort Walsh).

This is a strange place. The view from above shows unusual rock formations. The obvious question is "how did they get there"? Undoubtably, people have been attracted to, and inspired by, this unusual geological formation for hundreds or thousands of years.

A few petroglyphs can be found if you look carefully. Academics and visitors have debated the origin of these rocks without resolution.

Take a look for yourself and maybe you can solve the mystery. You will need to travel to Cypress Hills Interprovincial Park to see these yourself...then hike from Fort Walsh. And, you will be on privately-owned land.

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The Fossil Faced Man: Man Somehow Frozen in "Cretaceous Period" Flint

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Christer found this fossilized head of a man a few years ago in Sweden near Gothenburg. Here at s8int.com, it clearly appears to us to be the head of a man, with very recognizable features, "immortallized" into stone which its discover believes is flint.

This would pose a problem for current evolutionary and geoligical theories since flint (or any rock for that matter) was supposedly formed tens of millions of years before man evolved.

Of course, it poses no problem for the Bible's version of the creation of man and the universe. In fact, flint according to science is formed from the bodies of billions of little animals and it being sedimentary rock required large quantities of water for its formation. Hmmmm

Christer's Comments About His Find

"I found it (the fossil) myself on the Swedish westcoast near Gothenburg, in the year 2000, so I´m the owner of it. The length is about 25 cm and I'm sure its made of flint.

I looked at fragments of it in a binocular microscope at 60X to 80X magnification and am going to receive pictures of the structure soon.

I hope to be able to arrange a CT-scan but im not sure if that's possible.

This flint stone can’t give the impression of being anything else but a detailed human head. This is extraordinary because we (humans) were more or less supposed to be apes five million years ago, according to the theory of evolution.

Flint stones were developed during the Cretaceous period 65-140 million years ago.(According to current geological theories).

Flint only occurs naturally in the southwest part of Sweden. This find is from the Swedish west coast and has likely been ice-bound in drifting icebergs 12000-13000 years ago in the latest iceage.

Flint have also been used as ballast in cargo ships and has been spread from harbour to harbour. The only thing that is sure is that the stone has not taken form at the location where I found it.

This evidence challenging the standard views on the human evolution!

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Anomalous Rock, Possibly Jade Could be Human Head

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IN JULY, 2004, WHILE CAMPING AT BAKER LAKE, I FOUND , A GREEN JADE ROCK FORMATION WHICH APPEARS TO BE AN OUTLINE OF A HUMAN SKULL. I WAS VERY FASCINATED WITH THE SHAPE AND THE JADE COLORING. EVERYTIME I LOOK AT THIS ROCK, I'VE WONDERED WHAT IT REALLY IS AND WHY THE SHAPE IS SO MUCH LIKE THAT OF AN OUTLINE OF A HUMAN BRAIN, INDENTATIONS OF AN EYE, NOSE , PARTIAL MOUTH AND POSSIBLE SOME OF A NECK.

DECEMBER 4, 2004 THERE WAS AN ARTICLE ABOUT JOHN PATTERSON' FIND NEAR THE GREEN RIVER IN 1992 OF WHAT HE BELIEVED TO BE A PRINT OF < ahref="http://www.s8int.com/mega4.html">A LARGE PREHISTORIC BIRD CALLED DIATRYMA. A FOSSIL EXPERT HAD CONCURRED.

I AM HOPEFUL SOMEBODY WILL CONTACT ME AND I COULD ARRANGE TO HAVE THIS ANALYSED. I'M WONDERING IF THIS COULD POSSIBLY BE SOME KIND OF A FOSSILIZED SKULL FROM PREHISTORIC TIMES.

DIMENSIONS ARE APPROXIMATELY 5 1/2 INCHES BY 7 INCHES; WEIGHT NEARLY 5 POUNDS.

SINCERELY,

PAT R., State of Washington

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Evidence of Sophisticated, Ancient, Unknown Cultures in Italy Near Caria;
Stegosaur Artifact

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nd now we come to one of the most important pieces of Tolone’s collection. One that will receive the closest scrutiny and interrogation by experts--and for which the collector has been quite emphatic of its authenticity,- a terracotta statue of of approximately 18 cm of length representing one strange dinosaur/sauropod with plates on its back.

The plates are triangular, and continue along the back until reaching the tail. The view from above the object reveals a strange curving of the plates, as if the animal had been represented in motion on the land...

The legs are large and awkward, as of an animal of great weight, not at all like those of a lizard or of "modern" animals, such as the crested triton or other types of salamander which the sculpture has been compared to.

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No type of salamander or lizard like this species is currently known, that has similar plates, but-- it is possible to take up any handbook on paleontology and it becomes clear immediately that the animal represented in the sculpture belongs to a species of stegosaur,-- a species of dinosaur with plates on its back;-- that scientists assert became extinct approximately 65 million years ago...

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Not possible assert the paleontologists, it cannot be assert the historians, but still the sculpture exists and Tolone asserts to have found it in area of Caria with hundreds of other ancient artifacts, of a pre-Greek civilization of Calabria, that is at least 3000 years old...

The statue was found in two fragments and then recomposited with a little adhesive. Other representations of the strange dinosaur in base relief are present in the collection on a crude marble slab, with the same identical physical characteristics,-- and in the same location there is also a great fossil bone of a unknown animal, and one jaw with great teeth,....

A Piece of 'ancient" pottery found with an image of a stegosaurus.

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If the terracotta statue representing a dinosaur were a fake, it would not be at all difficult to try subjecting it to radiocarbon 14 dating, asserts Tolone, but if the scientific report shows that it is authentic and aged a few thousand years, we would be faced with one of the most incredible enigmas of world-wide archaeology.

Domenico Canino

Mendicino

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Carved Stone Still Unexplained After More Than a Century

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CONCORD, N.H. (AP) -- In 1872, so the story goes, workers digging a hole for a fence post near Lake Winnipesaukee in Meredith found a lump of clay that seemed out of place.

There was something inside - a dark, odd-looking, egg-shaped stone with a variety of carvings, including a face, teepee, ear of corn and star-like circles.

And there were lots of questions: Who made the stone and why? How old was it? How was it carved?

To date, no one's been able to say for sure, and the item has come to be known as the "Mystery Stone."

Seneca Ladd, a Meredith businessman who hired the workers, was credited with the discovery.

"As Mr. Ladd is quite a naturalist, and has already an extensive private collection of relics and specimens, he was delighted with the new discovery, and exhibited and explained the really remarkable relic with an enthusiasm which only the genuine student can feel," an article in "The American Naturalist" said that November.

Ladd died in 1892, and in 1927, one of his daughters donated the stone to the New Hampshire Historical Society. The stone, surrounded by mirrors showing off its symbols, recently went on permanent display at the Museum of New Hampshire History, where it had last been exhibited in 1996.

All the symbols on the 4-inch-long, 2 1/2-inch-thick stone are open to interpretation. On one side, it has what look like inverted arrows, a moon, some dots and a spiral. Another side shows the ear of corn and a depressed circle with three figures, one of which looks like a deer's leg.

"The American Naturalist" suggested the stone "commemorates a treaty between two tribes."

Others have guessed the stone is Celtic or Inuit. A letter to the historical society in 1931 suggested it was a "thunderstone," which, the writer said, "always present the appearance of having been machined or hand-worked: frequently they come from deep in the earth, embedded in lumps of clay, or even surrounded by solid rock or coral."

Another curious detail is that there are holes bored in both ends of the stone, with different size bits. Each bore is straight, not tapered. Scratches in the lower bore suggest it was placed on a metal shaft and removed several times, according to an analysis done by state officials in 1994.

"I've seen a number of holes bored in stone with technology that you would associate with prehistoric North America," said Richard Boisvert, state archaeologist. "There's a certain amount of unevenness ... and this hole was extremely regular throughout."

Boisvert suggested the holes were drilled by power tools, perhaps from the 19th or 20th centuries. "What we did not see was variations that would be consistent with something that was several hundred years old," he said.

The analysis, which included comments from geologist Eugene Boudette, concluded the stone is a type of quartzite, derived from sandstone, or mylonite, a fine-grained, laminated rock formed by the shifting of rock layers along faults. The rock type was not familiar to New Hampshire, but the state could not be ruled out as the source, Boudette said.

Boisvert said to his knowledge, the stone is unique. "That makes it very hard to figure out where it fits," he said.

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One problem is the story of the stone's discovery is fuzzy, he said.

"You couldn't be certain exactly what kind of context it came from. There's a lot of ambiguity there ... it's very difficult to evaluate it," he said. "The context of the discovery is sometimes more important than the item itself."

For example, Boisvert said, if the item had been something used by a fraternal order that has its own secrets and mysteries, "that means the information doesn't get out very well, does it? The information may have been available at one point, but it's really no longer available to us. Who knows?"

Wesley Balla, the society's director of collections and exhibitions, said one avenue to explore might be looking for similar symbols. And, "there's also always the hope that there might be something more in either newspaper or manuscript form that might discuss the contents," he said.

Balla said the discovery seems to reflect on the way artifacts were treated in the 19th century. The focus was more on the object itself, not on details such as how deep the soil was where it was found, if anything was found near it, or how far it was from the lake.

"All of that is lost," he said.

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The Mysterious Egyptian Tri-Lobed Disc

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In the first wing of the Egyptian Museum of the Cairo between two rooms close to the Momias Room, one cannot help but be surprised to see in a small display cabinet, although not without some difficulty caused by the reflections of the light on the crystal that covers it, a solitary object similar to a wheel or stone disc.

This strange object has disturbed and continues disturbing all the Egyptologists that have had occasion to study it at great length. The first of them was its discoverer, Brian Walter Emery, one of the most important Egyptologists of 20th Century and the author of a classic volume on Egyptology, Archaic Egypt, that continues to be, after many years, an important bibliographical reference for the study and an understanding of the origins of the Old Egyptian Civilization

Making excavations in 1936, in the archaeological zone of Sakkara, he discovered the Tomb of Prince Sabu. He was the son of Adjuib Pharaoh, governor of the I Dynasty (3,000 B.C.).

Between utensils of funeral objects that were extracted, Emery’s attention was powerfully drawn by an object that he initially defined in his report on the Great Tombs of the I Dynasty as: "... a container in the form of schist bowl...".

Years later, in his previously mentioned work, Archaic Egypt, he commented on the object with a word that perfectly summarizes the reality of the situation and the discomfort the object causes; "cachibache" (a small hole that threatens to become a much larger hole)"...

A satisfactory explanation has not yet been obtained on the peculiar design of this object...".

This object is approximately 61 centimeters in diameter, and 10.6 centimeters in height in the center. It is made of schist, a very fragile and delicate rock, which requires very laborious carving.

Its form resembles that of a plate or a concave steering wheel of a car, with a series of three cuts or curved "shovels" that resemble the helix of a boat, and in the center, an orifice with a rim that acts as the outside receiver of some axis of a wheel or some other unknown mechanism, arranged to turn.

As it is well known by all, the official position maintained by Egyptology with respect to the appearance and use of the wheel on the part of the Egyptians, is very clear and leaves no room for doubt. The introduction of the wheel in Egypt they assure us, coincided with the invasion of the Hicsos at the end of the Medium Empire, in 1640 B.C.,

They used it, on among other things, their military chariots.

The question then is inevitable: if it is not a wheel, what is the strange object that appeared in the Tomb of Prince Sabu, 1,400 years before the invasion of the Hicsos?

In spite of the complexity of this problem, the subject has become even more serious as a result of the technical studies that a variety of investigators have made, impelled by the surprising and strange design of this device.

As well, the Egyptologist Cyril Aldred reached the conclusion that, independently of what the object was used for or what it represented, its design was without a doubt, a copy of a previous, much older metallic object.

In fact, this schist wheel appeared in Tomb of Prince Sabu, along with other strange copper objects, practically the only metal that the Egyptians then knew.

The doubt that has been plaguing us is wondering how the ancient Egyptians could design so delicate and complex a structural object more than 5,000 years ago.

A structure that in the case of the three strange cuts or curved shovels, induces one to think almost immediately about the use of this object in an average liquid.

This detail, next to the excellent orifice in the central part, makes us also suspect that this object is only a small part of a more complex mechanism, and that it was saved thanks to a stone reproduction for some unknown reason, made by an artist, with unknown tools.

But..., what mechanisms existed 5,000 years ago in the Valley of the Nile?

According to the typical and expected view of the archaeologists and pro-government Egyptologists, this object is no more than a tray or the pedestal of some candelabrum, with a design a product of blind chance".

Although by chance, this peculiar object closely mirrors the design of one of the pieces that Lockheed developed to be fitted hermetically within a full case of lubricant.

Be that as it may, this object found in a tomb of Sakkara with an age at a minimum of 5,000 years, continues to constitute one of the most perplexing Egyptian and ancient mysteries.. Translated from the Italian by s8int.com, Ciao! Source: EgiptoOculto

Additional Comments

“One of the most unusual pieces is a strange circular object, fashioned in schist and with a central hub which gives it the appearance of having been designed to fit onto a pole.

Bearing in mind that it is of pre-dynastic date, circa 3000 BC, it represents supreme ability in working hard stone, the "lobes" looking as though they had been bent over. Indeed, it is possible that it is a copy of an original copper artifact.

One theorist who has attempted to explain its function is William Kay, an English engineer. He has suggested that it was actually a ritualistic tri-flamed oil lamp.

A wick system comprising six bundles of rushes, bound together, were held in place by the lobes and thus kept immersed in the oil. If the ends of the four bundles were separated sufficiently, then twelve separate flames may have resulted instead of three.

The numbers 3 and 12 are recognised as having symbolic significance for the ancient Egyptians. Bill Kay's concept seems entirely reasonable, especially in the light of a pole-supported oil lamp from Deir el Medina, also exhibited in the Cairo Museum.” Ianlawton.com

http://img19.picoodle.com/img/img19/3/4/6/kennet/f_schist3m_63b7be8.jpg

Possible Usage for Tri-lobed Bowl

“Emery (1972) suggests that the artifact may have been carved in the imitation of a metal vessel's form, with a center hole that was originally designed to fit on a pedestal.

Possible competition between metal and stone vessel artisans may have been one of the reasons for the development of artistic expression in ornamental stone vessel forms during the Early Dynastic Period (El-Khouli 1978).

William Kay has suggested that the vessel was a ritualistic tri-flamed oil lamp, in which bundles of rushes, immersed in oil, acted as the wicks.

These bundles of rushes were held in place by the lobes, and the vessel was suspended on a pedestal inserted through the center. Whether it was actually used for this purpose is uncertain.

The fragile nature of such an intricately carved stone object greatly limits is practical usage and suggests a purely ornamental function, being of a religious or other such ritualistic purpose.

Although it has been suggested the vessel was meant to be held on a pedestal, the center tube may also have been used as a stand for holding another vessel or object. Smith (1981) has suggested that the center tube was a container.

Tubes of rock were used by the ancient Egyptians to hold round-bottomed vessels, and there are many examples of these throughout the dynastic Egypt, including from the Early Dynastic Period (El-Khouli 1978).”

Souce: Unforbidden-geology

[chattanova]

Iranian Bigfoot/Sasquatch from 900 B.C.? South American BF from 800 A.D.?

http://img01.picoodle.com/img/img01/3/4/21/kennet/f_bigfoottriom_3de1b04.jpg

Photo comparison of Iranian creature from 900 B.C., the Patterson Bigfoot and the South American Gold "Bigfoot" from 800 A.D.

http://img19.picoodle.com/img/img19/3/4/6/kennet/f_iranbigfootm_8292b3a.jpg

Copper alloy breastplate for a horse, Hasanlu (level IV), Iran, ca. 900-800 B.C. 42.8 x 20.2 cm. Photo: Reproduced by courtesy of the University Museum, University of Philadelphia. Source:www.cais-soas.com

http://img01.picoodle.com/img/img01/3/4/21/kennet/f_iranbigfootm_cc076cb.jpg

Detail of Copper alloy breastplate for a horse, Hasanlu (level IV), Iran, ca. 900-800 B.C. 42.8 x 20.2 cm. Photo: Reproduced by courtesy of the University Museum, University of Philadelphia. Source:www.cais-soas.com

http://img01.picoodle.com/img/img01/3/4/21/kennet/f_precoyetim_ef14ddf.jpg

San Agustín Culture 2.6 x 1.7 cm San José de Isnos, Huila. 100 A.D. to 800 A.D. Made of gold it's difficult not to interpret this thousands of years old piece as anything but a representation of an immodest "wildman", yeti or sasquatch

http://s8int.com/phile/page65.html

[chattanova]

Rock Solid Proof of Dinosaur and Human Interaction ?

http://img15.picoodle.com/img/img15/3/4/6/kennet/f_delkprint1m_f6a2c03.jpg
The Cretaceous Limestone block contains a human footprint overlaid with a dinosaur print.

"In early July, 2000 Alvis Delk, assisted by James Bishop (both of Stephenville, Texas), was working in the Cretaceous limestone on the McFall property at the Paluxy River near Glen Rose, Texas and discovered a pristine human footprint intruded by a dinosaur footprint.

This discovery was made in the vicinity of McFall I and II Sites where the Creation Evidence Museum team has excavated since the Spring of 1982. The eleven-inch human footprint matches seven other such footprints of the same dimensions in the “Sir George Series,” named in honor of His Excellency Governor General Ratu Sir George Cacobau of Fiji.

Scientific Verification of Footprint Authenticity:

The fossil was transported to a professional laboratory where 800 X-rays were performed in a CT Scan procedure. Laboratory technicians verified compression and distribution features clearly seen in both prints, human and dinosaur. This removes any possibility that the prints were carved or altered." ….. CREATION EVIDENCE MUSEUM

The human footprint was apparently overlaid by the dinosaur print but it really doesn’t matter; no human prints should be found in the Cretaceous, a period according to science that ranged from 145.5 million to 65 million years ago. According to evolutionary theory, the first “fossil hominid” didn’t appear until at least 60 million years from the end of the Cretaceous...s8int.com

Rock-solid proof?

A discovery by a former Mineral Wells resident might hold proof man and dinosaur walked the Earth together.

By David May
editor@mineralwellsindex.com

A slab of North Texas limestone is on track to rock the world, with its two imbedded footprints poised to make a huge impression in scientific and religious circles.

The estimated 140-pound stone was recovered in July 2000 from the bank of a creek that feeds the Paluxy River near Glen Rose, Texas, located about 53 miles south of Fort Worth. The find was made just outside Dinosaur Valley State Park, a popular destination for tourists known for its well-preserved dinosaur tracks and other fossils.

The limestone contains two distinct prints – one of a human footprint and one belonging to a dinosaur. The significance of the cement-hard fossil is that it shows the dinosaur print partially over and intersecting the human print.

In other words, the stone’s impressions indicate that the human stepped first, the dinosaur second. If proven genuine, the artifact would provide evidence that man and dinosaur roamed the Earth at the same time, according to those associated with the find and with its safekeeping. It could potentially toss out the window many commonly held scientific theories on evolution and the history of the world.

Finding scholars and experts on evolution, paleontology or creationism to speak about the discovery proved difficult. Some who were contacted said they didn’t want to comment on the prints without a personal inspection or without review of data from scientific tests.

However, Dr. Phillip Murry, a vertebrate paleontology instructor in the Geoscience department of Tarleton State University at Stephenville, Texas, stated in his response to an interview request: “There has never been a proven association of dinosaur (prints) with human footprints.”

The longtime amateur archeologist who found the fossil thinks that statement is now proven untrue.

“It is unbelievable, that’s what it is,” Alvis Delk, 72, said of what could be not only the find of a lifetime, but of mankind.

Delk is a current Stephenville and former Mineral Wells resident (1950-69) who said he found the rock eight years ago while on a hunt with a friend, James Bishop, also of Stephenville, and friend and current fiancee Elizabeth Harris.

The three were searching in July 2000 for Indian artifacts like arrowheads – Delk’s specialty as a hunter and collector since he was 6 years old – when he said a pile of rocks along a creek bank caught his eye.

“I said it looks like something has been washed out of this hole,” Delk told the Mineral Wells Index.

http://img01.picoodle.com/img/img01/3/4/21/kennet/f_delkprint2m_641b4bc.jpg


Upon inspection of the pile, he said he saw a dinosaur footprint embedded in a piece of limestone. Delk said he has found and seen dinosaur prints, but now he had one on a piece of rock he could carry off – with Bishop’s help – to keep and add to his collection.

Which is what he did, for nearly eight years. The stone was kept otherwise untouched, stored amongst his other finds, which he said includes over 100,000 Indian artifacts.

A domestic fall from a ladder eight months ago nearly crippled Delk, resulting in surgeries, a long recovery and expensive medical bills. He decided to try and sell some of his archeological treasurers, so he turned to the large piece of limestone, thinking he could clean it up some and sell it to the Creation Evidence Museum located adjacent to Dinosaur Valley State Park near Glen Rose.

Two months ago – about the third week of May – Delk said he grabbed a 4-inch brush and began lightly brushing away sediments and deposits from the stone when he noticed something. He began to see another print develop – that of a human – partially beneath the dinosaur print.

“I seen the (human) track coming out and (saw) that it was a man,” Delk said. “I thought to myself, ‘Lord, I’ve been shown man was here when the dinosaur was here.’”

He said he knew what he had to do.

“When I found it, I said this has to get to someone who knows it,” he said. “I took it to Dr. Baugh. He liked to have a heart attack over it. He shed some tears.”

Creation evidence?

Dr. Carl Baugh is the founder and director of the Creation Evidence Museum and claims doctorates in theology and philosophy in education as well as a master’s degree in archeology. The aim of Baugh’s Creation Evidence Museum is to offer natural evidence to support the theories of creationism, versus the evolutionary perspective heavily portrayed by the neighboring dinosaur attraction operated by the Texas Parks and Wildlife Department.

Baugh said the fossil is the proof he has been searching many years for. He acquired the stone from Delk and has it in safekeeping. He was confident after his initial inspections of the stone that the specimen is genuine. He took it to a medical lab at Glen Rose Medical Center, where he said 800 X-rays were performed in a CT scan procedure.

Baugh said the scans prove that the impressions are real and could not have been carved or etched into the stone.

“The compression lines, the density features, do show, and there is no way to fake that,” he said. “It is possible to carve a track in limestone. But there is no way to compress the material in the rock under the track. That is absolutely impossible. That’s why the CAT scans are so important.”

He said the scans demonstrate the human footprint was made “during locomotion. That’s very important. That distribution is shown here. Compression is in the right place under both prints. Density. Compression, distribution. The density factor is there. Weight distribution. Forward locomotion, rocking of the foot.”

He also noted how the dinosaur’s impression pushed up material from the human print and altered its shape in the area of the intrusion.

The rock is approximately 30 inches by 24 inches. The human footprint, with a deep big toe impression, measures 11 inches in length. Baugh said the theropod track was made by an Acrocanthosaurus. Baugh said this particular track was likely made by a juvenile Acrocanthosaurus, one he said was probably about 20 feet long, stood about 8 feet tall and walked stooped over, weighing a few tons.

Its tracks common in the Glen Rose area, the Acrocanthosaurus is a dinosaur that many experts believe existed primarily in North America during the mid-Cretaceous Period, approximately 125 million to 100 million years ago.

Baugh said Delk’s discovery casts doubts on that theory. Baugh said he believes both sets of prints were made “within minutes, or no more than hours of each other” about 4,500 years ago, around the time of Noah’s Flood. He said the clay-like material that the human and dinosaur stepped in soon hardened, becoming thick, dense limestone common in North Texas.

He said the human print matches seven others found in the same area, stating the museum has performed excavations since 1982 in the area Baugh has dubbed the “Alvis Delk Cretaceous Footprint” discovery.

Baugh said he knows there are and will be skeptics, especially since the find is very recent and so far has been tested only in a medical laboratory by a medical doctor. Still, he said he is so confident in the authenticity of the specimen he is ready to put his reputation entirely on the line. He said he is willing put the rock to any non-destructive tests.

“It’s dynamite,” Baugh said of the fossil.

Left an impression

Bishop, himself an avid hunter of fossils and Indian artifacts, was initially reluctant to be associated with the find. But he said he knows it is a significant discovery and that he is part of what is likely to become a major story throughout scientific circles.

“Yeah, it was a nice find,” said Bishop. “I know it’s going to change history. That’s pretty heavy.”

A man of Christian beliefs who is a member of the First Assembly of God Church in Stephenville, he said his hopes are that the stone will “disprove Darwin’s theory. God made man. Man did not evolve from ape.”

Someone else who has had a close up, personal inspection of the stone is David Lines, who photographed the stone for Baugh, which Baugh has included in posters and on his Web site www.creationevidence.org

A technical writer for Texas Instruments in Dallas, Lines said he’s no expert on rocks, but he said he has no doubt the Delk rock is real and the prints are legitimate.

“I have really worked hard to figure out how it could be faked,” said Lines.

Lines said his photographs also show the rock contains a number of fossils commonly found in North Texas such as small seashells and shellfish, a fact he said lends credence to the stone’s authenticity.

“When I saw this, I said this is too good to be true,” said Lines. “If someone found a way to fake that, they could also get a patent for concrete that would far surpass anything.”

Delk’s own daughter, Kristi Delk, is a geology major at Tarleton State University in Stephenville and holds different beliefs from her dad about the creation of Earth and the origins of man.

She said she wants to see data from more tests before jumping to any conclusions.

“I haven’t come to terms with it,” she said. “I am skeptical, actually.”

But she said if verified, this rock could change her entire way of thinking, along with the thinking of a lot of other people.

“It’s going to change all the pale-ethnological principles,” she said.

Baugh added he is ready to begin speaking more about his new prized possession. He said he hopes this find will lead to more balanced educational teachings in classrooms and school textbooks.

“I don’t think it is going to displace the theory of evolution,” said Baugh. “My hope is that the scientific concepts of archeology and paleontology will be used under the guidelines of the Texas schoolbook committee. Any evidence supporting that should be presented, and hopefully this particular fossil will be presented, for the students to be able to see that there is evidence supporting an alternative concept as opposed to just evolution.”

More From the Creation Evidence Museum

“Scientific Verification of Footprint Authenticity:

The fossil was transported to a professional laboratory where 800 X-rays were performed in a CT Scan procedure. Laboratory technicians verified compression and distribution features clearly seen in both prints, human and dinosaur. This removes any possibility that the prints were carved or altered.

Importance of Discovery:

Professor James Stewart Monroe, writing in Journal of Geological Education candidly asserted that “Human footprints in geologically ancient strata would indeed call into doubt many conventional geological concepts.” Professor David H. Milne of The Evergreen State College, Olympia, Washington and Professor Steven D. Schafersman of the Department of Geology, Rice University, Houston, Texas made further admissions in writing that “Such an occurrence, if verified, would seriously disrupt conventional interpretations of biological and geological history and would support the doctrines of creationism and catastrophism.

Professor Steven M. Stanley in The New Evolutionary Timetable opined that “any topsy-turvy sequence of fossils would force us to rethink our theory…As Darwin recognized, a single geographic inconsistency would have nearly the same power of destruction”….. CREATION EVIDENCE MUSEUM

http://s8int.com/phile/page70.html

[pinkfreud]

OMB i love this thread!


*subscribes*

[chattanova]

OMB i love this thread!


*subscribes*

If/ When you become a mod, maybe you could stickify this ?
You would be my favorite girl then ;):o

[pinkfreud]

If/ When you become a mod, maybe you could stickify this ?
You would be my favorite girl then ;):o



lol, smartass.

why not ask the mods as of this very minute :p it is sticky-worthy to me.

[pinkfreud]

Ancient Indian Aircraft Technology


Many researchers into the UFO enigma tend to overlook a very important fact. While it assumed that most flying saucers are of alien, or perhaps Governmental Military origin, another possible origin of UFOs is ancient India and Atlantis.

What we know about ancient Indian flying vehicles comes from ancient Indian sources; written texts that have come down to us through the centuries. There is no doubt that most of these texts are authentic; many are the well known ancient Indian Epics themselves, and there are literally hundreds of them. Most of them have not even been translated into English yet from the old Sanskrit.

The Indian Emperor Ashoka started a "Secret Society of the Nine Unknown Men": great Indian scientists who were supposed to catalogue the many sciences. Ashoka kept their work secret because he was afraid that the advanced science catalogued by these men, culled from ancient Indian sources, would be used for the evil purpose of war, which Ashoka was strongly against, having been converted to Buddhism after defeating a rival army in a bloody battle.

The "Nine Unknown Men" wrote a total of nine books, presumably one each. Book number was "The Secrets of Gravitation!" This book, known to historians, but not actually seen by them dealt chiefly with "gravity control." It is presumably still around somewhere, kept in a secret library in India, Tibet or elsewhere (perhaps even in North America somewhere).

One can certainly understand Ashoka's reasoning for wanting to keep such knowledge a secret, assuming it exists, if the Nazis had such weapons at their disposal during World War II. Ashoka was also aware devastating wars using such advanced vehicles and other "futuristic weapons" that had destroyed the ancient Indian "Rama Empire" several thousand years before.





more here http://www.world-mysteries.com/sar_7.htm


also: http://www.crystalinks.com/vimanas.html

[chattanova]

lol, smartass.

why not ask the mods as of this very minute :p it is sticky-worthy to me.

lol I know:) It's just that I've been bothering them so much about moving threads etc.
I think I might have used up my quota :o

[alzee]

what a superb thread! very thought provoking.

thanks :)

[mrindigo]

Makes me wonder how many times humanity has truly rebuilt from ruin.

I remember reading an article about a group of men uncovering advanced stone tools under a layer of volcanic rock during a dig for gold during the California Gold rush era. Supposedly the tools and other objects were sealed away in boxes and shipped to various universities around the US. I wish I could find it again, it would be great for this thread.

Thanks for posting this, it made my night. :)

[asentinel]

or on their way to being out of place.....



http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Cf1qK4S2ObU&feature=related

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_XLJ6OVtF5s&feature=related

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http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XMjNn1hXAlo&feature=related

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[pri01]

Cannot open those last 2 video clips I'm afraid.:(

[i_am]

Cannot open those last 2 video clips I'm afraid.:(

You can now :)

[branjo]

Its scandalous what is being done to those artifacts. The war was all about the artifacts and things like "Freedom", "Oil" and "Religion" are just over stories at different levels to draw attention away from the ancient technology. It doesn't take a stretch of the imagination to understand that "ancient" doesn't have to mean "primitive".

Although the guy who made those videos still thinks the Egyptians built the Pyramids so I would take his history lesson with a pinch of salt

[asentinel]

yes, I guess no one has the complete picture, it is like a jigsaw puzzle. Imagine what info decyphered in texts would do to the political stucture based on lies of true history and origins of religion, human development, suppression of technology and manipulation of resources and energy. Huge disillusion and dissolution of systems. Potential hot stuff indeed if there are pieces being plundered for more than just commercial value.

this was amongst the news headlines section on this site....

talking about baghdad ----

It is an "extraordinary achievement" with a capital city being walled off- as if an ancient city under siege- from the rest of the country and only allowing four access points. It is an "extraordinary achievement" still, six years on,without the same levels of pre-war clean drinking water....

[teardropexplodes]

http://i15.photobucket.com/albums/a394/nodarkthings/krs.png

The main inscription reads:

"Eight Goths and 22 Norwegians on a journey of exploration from Vinland very far west. We had camp by 2 rocky islands one day's journey north from this stone. We were out fishing one day. After we came home we found 10 men red with blood and dead. AVM [Ave Maria] save us from evil."

The inscription along the edge of the stone says:

"Have 10 men by the sea to look after our ships 14 days' journey from this island. Year 1362."

Below I've pasted the text which goes with Coast to Coast's March 29th show. It's well worth a listen. The story is amazing and really fires the imagination.

Geologist and researcher Scott Wolter discussed the discovery and significance of the Kensington Rune Stone. Found by a Minnesota farmer over a hundred years ago, the 202 lb. rock contained Runic (letters in the old Norse alphabet) inscriptions. Initially dismissed as a hoax, the authenticity of the stone has been debated over the years. It wasn't till the 1960s that it was discovered that the style of the Kensington Stone inscription matched those on stones on a remote island off Sweden, called Gotland, and this strengthened the case for authenticity, he noted.

Dated 1362, the inscription refers to a party of 30 who had traveled "far west of Vinland." This suggests that established history is wrong, and westerners made it to America, far before Columbus, Wolter said. He speculated that the travelers came to Minnesota possibly to take advantage of fur trade or to make land claims.

He further posited that the travelers could have been Knights Templar, who during this time frame were being persecuted and perhaps were motivated to seek out new lands. As a secret society, the Templars may have kept their voyages to the New World hushed up, he added.


http://www.sunnyway.com/runes/americanstones.html

THere's also been Roman and Phoenician coins found in the same area and of course the Chinese were there well before Columbus.

[branjo]

There may have also been Mayan carvings found in Egypt, according to Stephen Mehler's brief video entitled the Land of Osiris. He states that the Atlantian community was not based solely in Atlantis but was made up of elders from basically every advanced civilization on the globe, including the 42 tribes (all colors and races btw) from ancient Khemit (pre Egypt), so if even the Mayans came to Egypt "thousands" of years ago, Christopher Columbus looks like a guy that would stand outside a Starbucks holding a placard triumphantly claiming "I have invented coffee".

Of course that statement would get me shot in Italy, and crucified in Spain..lol.

I love this thread, who among us would have looked at history and thought it would be this fascinating when we were at school. I would have taken a detention over history, physics or even discussing astrological information. We need a radical change on what our kids are being taught in schools, for lack of a better description its mostly "Pointless bullshit".

I mean there is is "Carved in Stone" for all to see, the only thing it doesn't have is a bow on it..lol.

[jason_bourne]

I love this thread, who among us would have looked at history and thought it would be this fascinating when we were at school. I would have taken a detention over history, physics or even discussing astrological information. We need a radical change on what our kids are being taught in schools, for lack of a better description its mostly "Pointless bullshit".

I mean there is is "Carved in Stone" for all to see, the only thing it doesn't have is a bow on it..lol.

You've hit the nail on the head there! In school, history requires no imagination. It just is, and that's final. Wouldn't it have been great to be shown stuff like this and try to decipher where it came from?

Superb work all who have contributed to this thread :D

[rynath]

Ica Stones (Peru)
http://www.crystalinks.com/icastones.html

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=TXv2Z6dinSA

Creation/Evolution
http://www.crystalinks.com/icadinofish.jpg


Coiling Snake/Tree of Life
http://www.crystalinks.com/icasnaketree.jpg


Sun/Pyramid
http://www.crystalinks.com/icasungods.jpg


Dinosaur/Reptilian
http://www.crystalinks.com/icareptilian.jpg


Humans/Dinosaurs
http://www.crystalinks.com/icadinoeatman.jpg


Cesarean/Acupuncture
http://www.crystalinks.com/icapregnant.jpg


Surgery/Creation
http://www.crystalinks.com/icasurgery.jpg


Continents/Maps
http://www.crystalinks.com/icacontinent1.jpg


Heart/Biology
http://www.crystalinks.com/icaheart.jpg


Astronomy/Prophecy
http://www.crystalinks.com/incastronomy.jpg

[chattanova]

Wow rynath! That is beyond amazing! Thx for sharing.

[biblegirl]

Humans/Dinosaurs
http://www.crystalinks.com/icadinoeatman.jpg


hmm, maybe these ones weren't herbivores afterall :eek:


Cesarean/Acupuncture
http://www.crystalinks.com/icapregnant.jpg


wow!

[coco]

Why oh why hasn't more been said about this??? And how long with it take science to make a its final determination - or is it bothering? Look at how well the human heart is depicted on the stone! That jumped out at me and knocked my socks off.

This is great! Thanks for posting!!!

[branjo]

Another good find,

You have to love the intellect of Youtuber's, someone said the guy that found these made them and put them in the place were they were found, and has been arrested for fraud. lol

Man I love shortcuts but is there a short cut to using the brain? lol:D

[coco]

Branjo,

A farmer was selling the stones and was arrested for fraud and possibly violating International Antiquities laws. He told the police he made them (not an International Antiquities violation but fraud nonetheless which helped him get out of a lifetime prison sentence) and promised to stop. He was released thereafter.

To paraphrase Paul Harvey, here's another side of the story......

The stones in question were apparently so convincing to Peruvian authorities, that the police were called in to investigate the illegal sale of antiquities. The people who sold them did tell the police that they were fakes (or perhaps, “museum quality replicas” ). They may have been telling the truth; or they may have been telling a lie to avoid spending the rest of their lives in a Peruvian prison. If you found some genuine artifacts, sold them, and were arrested for selling them, would you tell the police they were real?

Full Story (http://www.ridgecrest.ca.us/~do_while/sage/v8i10e.htm)


There is talk that if the farmer created the stones he would have to been at it for decades to produce the quantity that exists - and had knowledge of a particular extinct fish as well as human anatomy, etc. The man is a confirmed illiterate, simple, peasant farmer. There are fakes out there - I even I saw a legitimate site that offered to sell reproductions for a hefty sum.

[coco]

Also this PDF paper on this subject.

http://www.scribd.com/doc/12715824/The-Ica-Stones

[branjo]

And the truth shall set you free :D

Ty

[jason_bourne]

The Piri Reis Map

In 1929, a group of historians found an amazing map drawn on a gazelle skin.

Research showed that it was a genuine document drawn in 1513 by Piri Reis, a famous admiral of the Turkish fleet in the sixteenth century.

His passion was cartography. His high rank within the Turkish navy allowed him to have a privileged access to the Imperial Library of Constantinople.

The Turkish admiral admits in a series of notes on the map that he compiled and copied the data from a large number of source maps, some of which dated back to
the fourth century BC or earlier.

http://www.world-mysteries.com/sar_1_a.jpg

The Controversy

The Piri Reis map shows the western coast of Africa, the eastern coast of South America, and the northern coast of Antarctica. The northern coastline of Antarctica is perfectly detailed. The most puzzling however is not so much how Piri Reis managed to draw such an accurate map of the Antarctic region 300 years before it was discovered, but that the map shows the coastline under the ice. Geological evidence confirms that the latest date Queen Maud Land could have been charted in an ice-free state is 4000 BC.

[jason_bourne]

Mystery Skulls

To suppose that earth is the only populated world in infinite space is as absurd as to believe that in an entire field sown with millet, only one grain will grow.

Metrodorus of Chios
4th century B.C.

Skulls are humanity's foremost symbol of death, and a powerful icon in the visual vocabularies of cultures all over the globe.
Many strangely "deformed" hominoid skulls have been discovered in Mexico and Peru. One of them, the Starchild skull found in Mexico, is currently the subject of scientific scrutiny and DNA testing.
Thirteen crystal skulls of apparently ancient origin have been found in parts of Mexico, Central America and South America, comprising one of the most fascinating subjects of 20th Century archaeology.

In the 1930's, in a small rural village 100 miles southwest of Chihuahua, Mexico,
at the back of a mine tunnel, two mysterious remains were found: a complete human skeleton and a smaller, malformed skeleton.

In late February of 1999, Lloyd Pye was first shown the Starchild skull by its owners. Nameless then, it was a highly anomalous skull. He initially felt it would prove to be a rare genetic deformity of some kind. This skull’s symmetry was astonishing, even more so than the average human. In fact, all of its bones—most of which had human counterparts—were beautifully shaped. But shaped like what? Solving many questions that this unusual skull presented became his challenge.

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Front view of the Starchild skull (on the left) and the human skull (on the right).
Compare striking differences between depth of eye sockets and shape of temporal
area just behind outer edges of eyes.
Skull Discovery

Sixty to seventy years ago an American girl of Mexican heritage in her late teens (15 to 18) was taken by her parents to visit relatives living in a small rural village 100 miles southwest of Chihuahua, Mexico. The girl was forbidden to enter any of the area's numerous caves and mine tunnels, but like most teenagers, she went exploring. At the back of a mine tunnel she found a complete human skeleton lying on the ground's surface. Beside it, sticking up out of the ground, was a malformed skeletal hand entwined in one of the human skeleton's upper arms. The girl proceeded to scrape the dirt off a shallow grave to reveal a buried skeleton smaller than the human one and also malformed. She did not specify the type or degree of any of the "malformations."
The girl recovered both skulls and kept them for the remainder of her life. Upon her death they were passed to an American man, who maintained possession for five years before passing them to the American couple who now control them.

The Mystery Skull

Skull suturing and baby teeth in a detached piece of maxilla (upper jaw and palate) indicate death around 5 years of age. The face is missing from the upper bridge of the nose to the foramen magnum (the hole where the spine enters the skull), but the cranium and most of both eye orbits (the external parts of the sockets) are intact.
This skull's degree of humanity is at issue because several aspects of its morphology defy categorizing as genetic defect (inherited), congenital deformation (birth defect), or inflicted deformity (cranial binding).

The Human Skull

A human skull assumed to be Amerindian (an Indian from North or South America) because the rear of its cranium exhibits the flattening that results from being carried in infancy on a cradle board. Tooth wear suggests age at death
was around 25 years, plus or minus five. Its smallish size and other reduced points of reference indicate it will likely prove to be female.
Binding

Experts suggest the child's high degree of occipital (rear-skull) deformity would most likely have resulted from the cranial binding practiced by primitive cultures around the world. However, such binding never extends below the inion (the bump at the back of the head) because the human neck begins just below that point. Furthermore, squeezing a skull's upper bones out of their natural shape leaves them permanently separated, which results in a life-long "soft spot" at the top of the head.

The child's skull is well-sutured (no soft spot), with none of the distortions normally caused by binding. Furthermore, the extent of rear flattening extends well past the inion, which has become slightly concave. This indicates a strong force other than binding (i.e. pathology or a natural design) must have caused the occipital's extensive deformation.

Brain Volume

Though markedly different in shape, the skulls are roughly the same size. However, they exhibit a stunning difference in brain volume. The average volume for a human brain is 1400 cubic centimeters (cc). The volume of the human skull is 1200 cc, typical for a small human. In contrast, the volume of the child's skull is 1600 cc, which is 200 cc beyond the average for adult humans. And had it lived to become an adult, its brain capacity would have grown to 1800 cc or more, well beyond the human average.

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The Starchild's brain volume, contained inside a cranium the size of a smallish human's,
is 1600 cc. A normal human skull has a brain volume around 1400 cubic centimeters.

In paleoanthropology (the study of ancient animals) a 200 cc increase in brain capacity of a human type creature warrants the naming of an entirely new species. Homo Erectus averages 200 cc more than Homo Habilis; Homo Archaic is 200 cc more than Erectus; Neanderthal is 200 cc more than Archaic. Thus, this child might well represent an unknown species of human-like beings.

Weight

An average human skull weighs 2.2 pounds (lbs.). The adult's skull (which is missing its lower jawbone and teeth) weighs 1 lb., 13.4 ounces. Including the child skull's piece of detached maxilla (upper jaw), it weighs only 13.5 ounces. Because it is roughly the size of the adult skull, its bone has to be significantly lighter than typical human
bone.

Symmetry

The child's skull has a high degree of symmetry (similarity on both sides). Usually cranial pathologies will cause differences in degree on either side of the head, along with other distortions. Thus, it is highly unlikely a cranium so clearly aberrant would exhibit such startling symmetry throughout

Sutures

A CAT scan has shown that none of the sutures between the bones in the child's skull have sealed themselves off from further growth. Nearly all examples of congenital deformity exhibit some degree of premature sealing of cranial sutures. This makes it highly unlikely, if not virtually impossible, for the child's skull to be the result of deformity. It seems to have grown naturally into the shape is had taken.

The Eyes

Normal human eye sockets have a recessed (5 cm) conical shape with optic nerves and optic fissures at the inner rear quadrant of the cone. The child's eye sockets have a shallow (3 cm) scalloped shape with optic nerves and optic fissures moved down and away to the inner bottom. Also, the inner surface of both sockets have incredibly subtle terrain shifts that are impossible to explain in any way other than genetic design.
The shape and width of the eye orbits (the outer edges of the sockets) are equally divergent. The adult's have the vaguely rectangular shape of normal humans, while the child's are shaped like a lopsided oval. The adult's are typically rounded along the top of the rectangle, while the upper part of the child's oval has a clearly definable edge.

The Ears

The child's ear canals are clearly visible on both sides of its skull. They seem normal in shape and size and angle of entry, but a recent CAT scan revealed that they are larger and have more depth than normal human inner ears. There is no way to know if an external ear was present or what it may have looked like.

The Sinuses

The child had small maxillary (cheek) sinuses but no trace of frontal sinus cavities. While extremely rare, this condition is supposedly known among both humans and primates.

The Foramen Magnum

The foramen magnum is the hole at the base of the skull where the spinal column connects with the brain. In normal humans the foramen is positioned slightly rear of center to balance the hollow-filled front face against the brain-filled occipital area. The extensive reconfiguration of the child's skull has somehow caused its foramen magnum to be shifted to a central point that provides much better balance between its rear brain area, and its face and forebrain.

The Necks

Typical human neck attachments begin at the inion, the bump in the middle of the occipital bone, and sweep out in a semicircle that reaches to just behind the ears and converges at the foramen magnum. The distance from any part of the semicircle to the foramen opening averages 5 to 6 centimeters.

In the child's skull a shallow arc extends about 3 centimeters from the foramen hole, while the inion has somehow become slightly concave. Such a drastic reduction in attachment area means the neck supporting the child's head must have been from 1/2 to 1/3 that of a normal human. Such thin necks are consistently described as hallmarks of certain alien types (Grays), and of Gray-human hybrids.

Chewing Muscles

In the child, the area available for attaching chewing muscles is every bit as reduced as the attachment area for its neck muscles. And though they are called "chewing" muscles, they are actually used for connecting and holding the lower face to the skull. Based on such a reduced connection area, the amount of mandible (jawbone) these muscles could have secured must have been greatly reduced.

Human-Alien Hybrids

Many abductees and contactees allege that aliens (most often "Grays") are conducting genetic experiments that produce hybrids between themselves and humans. The results of these unions are consistently described as looking far more human than alien, but with stark bulges in the parietal bones; shallow eye sockets; a greatly reduced lower face; a thin neck able to easily support a well-balanced head; and ears seen as markedly lower and smaller (or missing entirely) relative to human ears.
The eyes of Grays are consistently described and depicted as large black teardrop shapes that wrap horizontally across the middle of the face. If those large orbs are indeed their visual mechanisms, it would argue against the child's eyes being related to them. However, in the "Alien Autopsy" film the alien being dissected has the "standard" Gray eyes until the doctor performing the autopsy lifts them off and shows them to actually be dark, flexible coverings like large contact lenses or shades. Underneath those lenses were round, bulging eyes with plenty of white showing around dark irises. Those eyes would fit quite well in the reduced eye sockets of the child.

[jason_bourne]

The Iron Pillar from Delhi



Standing at the center of the Quwwatul Mosque the Iron Pillar is one of Delhi's most curious structures. Dating back to 4th century A.D., the pillar bears an inscription which states that it was erected as a flagstaff in honour of the Hindu god, Vishnu, and in the memory of the Gupta King Chandragupta II (375-413). How the pillar moved to its present location remains a mystery. The pillar also highlights ancient India's achievements in metallurgy. The pillar is made of 98 per cent wrought iron and has stood 1,600 years without rusting or decomposing.

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The Iron Pillar from Delhi
7.3 m tall, with one meter below the ground; the diameter is 48 centimeters at the foot, tapering to 29 cm at the top, just below the base of the wonderfully crafted capital; it weighs approximately 6.5 tones, and was manufactured by forged welding.

Enigma of the Iron Pillar

The sight is so familiar: each time you are in the vicinity of the Qutab Minar in Delhi, you find groups of tourists gathered around a tall, sleekly tapering iron pillar in that complex, one person from the group standing with his or her back firmly against it, and trying to make the fingers of the two hands touch while holding the pillar in embrace. Very few succeed but, almost always, there is a feeling of merriment around, since terms are set within the group and each person is 'tested', as it were, for fidelity or truthfulness or loyalty, even longevity, it could be anything. When a person fails to make the contact between the fingers of the two hands wrapped around the pillar, squeals of delight go up. This has gone on for years, certainly ever since tourist guides came into being.

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The Iron Pillar at Delhi seen through an arch.

Barely anyone from these thronging groups of tourists, however, cares to find out the history of this pillar, or knows that it has been something of a riddle for people—historians, archaeologists, palaeographers, metallurgists, etc—for close to a century and a half. The pillar is now located in Delhi, although one knows almost for certain that it was moved to that place from somewhere in Madhya Pradesh about a thousand years ago. But, somehow, in my own mind, it has come to be associated also with Shimla. For that is where I have been hearing of it mostly of late.

When I was there last year, at the Indian Institute of Advanced Study(IIAS), a series of lectures on the Iron Pillar were being delivered by a visiting scholar, a well-known metallurgist, Prof R. Balasubramaniam of the IIT, Kanpur. This year again, when I was in Shimla, the pillar came up, for the institute had brought out a finely detailed publication based on that series of lectures, under the title, "The Delhi Iron Pillar: New Insights." Like last year, however, a debate about the points made in the book ensued again, for there were, and are, scholars at the institute who hold other opinions on the points raised in the book. Each serious study that appears—and Professor Balasubramaniam's is certainly one—adds to the scholarship on this theme, and extends the field further. But nothing, it seems, is finally settled.

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Inscription on the rust resilient Iron Pillar from Delhi

Some physical facts about the pillar are reasonably well-established: it is 7.3 metres tall, with one metre below the ground; the diameter is 48 centimetres at the foot, tapering to 29 cm at the top, just below the base of the wonderfully crafted capital; it weighs approximately 6.5 tonnes, and was manufactured by forged welding. But, this said, nearly everything else about the pillar is surrounded by acute controversy: For whom was it made? Exactly when? Where did it originally stand before it was moved to Delhi? What is the true import of the long inscription in Brahmi characters engraved upon it? Who placed the later inscriptions on it, and when? Who had the pillar moved to its present location, and why? What exact processes were followed in forging it into shape at that early a point of time, the 4th/5th century AD? Above all, from the scientists' point of view, what is the secret, the great mystery, behind the fact of its being virtually non-rusting? There seems to be no end to the questions.

Take the case of the Brahmi inscription alone. Readings of this six-line, three-stanza inscription in Sanskrit verse vary considerably, the one most often published being that by Fleet, who translated it in 1888. It speaks, in very poetic terms, of the powerful, all-conquering monarch who had the pillar made: "He on whose arm fame was inscribed by the sword, when in battle in the Vanga countries, he kneaded (and turned) back with (his) breast the enemies who, uniting together, came against him; … he, by the breezes of whose prowess the southern ocean is even still perfumed." But, this eloquent panegyric apart, when it comes to identifying the king with clarity, and giving further details about the erection of the pillar, the inscription suddenly leaves some questions unanswered: obviously, not for those who lived in those early times, but for later generations, for whom so much information was lost in the centuries that have gone by.

Thus, the verse concludes with the words: "He who, having the name of Chandra, carried a beauty of countenance like (the beauty of) the full moon, having in faith fixed his mind upon (the God) Vishnu, (had) this lofty standard of the divine Vishnu set up on the hill (called) Vishnupada." But who exactly was king Chandra remains a puzzle. On other grounds, historical or palaeographic, it can be concluded that the pillar belongs to the Gupta period, but, from among the imperial Guptas, who is it that is referred to here simply by the name of 'Chandra': Chandragupta I, Chandragupta II, also celebrated as Vikramaditya, or, as some firmly believe, Samudragupta? Again, the Guptas were known to have been devotees of Lord Vishnu, but where was this hill called 'Vishnupada' located?

Questions like these are, however, only a relatively simple sample of the issues that centre on the great pillar. There are others, very complex ones, that have engaged the minds of scholars. Prof Balasubramaniam addresses them in his inquiry without once losing sight of the sheer elegance of the pillar, especially of its exquisitely made capital atop which a figure of Garuda, the ' Sun-bird ', who is the vahana of Vishnu, or a chakra, the discus that is his emblem, might once have stood. There are long and detailed chapters on the structural features of the pillar, the methodology of its manufacture, a general inquiry into other large iron objects in ancient India, including the iron pillars in Dhar and Mandu in Madhya Pradesh, Mount Abu in Rajasthan, the Kodachadri Hill in Karnataka. But, understandably, the most densely argued chapter is on the corrosion-resistant nature of this iron pillar, the P-content and the S-content of the low carbon mild steel of which it is made, the process of rust protection, the colour of whatever rust there is, spectroscopic analyses, are all themes, something that has led to its being widely regarded as a 'miracle' of technology, given the times in which the pillar was forged and erected.

With all this, however, will the whole clutch of issues addressed in the book get finally settled, one might ask? I doubt it. But then this is the way it should be; this is how scholarship proceeds.

[jason_bourne]

Mysterious Alignment

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Another puzzle is mysterious alignment of world's ancient sites. Easter Island is exactly aligned along a straight line around the center of the Earth, with the Nazca lines, Ollantaytambo and the Great Pyramid of Egypt. Other world wonders that are within one tenth of one degree of this alignment include: Perseopolis, the capital city of ancient Persia; Mohenjo Daro, the ancient capital city of the Indus Valley; the Oracle of Zeus-Amon at Siwa; and the lost city of Petra. The Ancient Sumarian city of Ur and Angkor temples in Cambodia and Thailand are within one degree of latitude of this alignment.

The alignment of these sites is easily observable on a globe of the Earth with a horizon ring. If you line up any two of these sites on the horizon ring, all of the sites will be right on the horizon ring. 3-D world atlas software programs can also draw this line around the Earth. Start on the Equator, at the mouth of the Amazon River, at 48° 36' West Longitude; go to 30° 22' North Latitude, 41° 24' East Longitude, in the Middle East, which is the maximum latitude the line touches; then go to the Equator at 131° 24' East Longitude, near the Northwest tip of New Guinea; then to 30° 22' South Latitude, 138° 36' West Longitude, in the South Pacific; and then back to 48° 36' West Longitude, at the Equator.


Centered on:

0.00° N
48° 36' W


30° 22' N
41° 24' E


0.00° N
131° 24' E


30° 22' S
138° 36' W

The circumference of this line around the center of the Earth is 24,892 miles. Along this line, the great circle distance from the Great Pyramid to Ollantaytambo is 7,472 miles, 30.0% of the circumference. Ollantaytambo is 2,579 miles from Easter Island, 10.3%. Easter Island is 10,096 miles from Angkor Wat, 40.6%. Angkor Wat is 2,490 miles from Mohenjo Daro, 10.0%. Mohenjo Daro is 2255 miles from from the Great Pyramid, 9.1%. In addition to calculating the distances between these sites as a percentage of the circumference of the Earth, the distances may also be calculated in degrees of the 360° circumference, by multiplying the percentage by 3.6. For example, the Great Pyramid is 108° away from Ollantaytambo. Near Ollantaytambo, Machupicchu is within one quarter of a degree and Cuzco is within one third of a degree of the alignment.

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[jason_bourne]

Easter Island

Introduction

Located in the Pacific Ocean at 27 degrees south of the equator and some 2200 miles (3600 kilometers) off the coast of Chile, Easter Island is considered to be the world's most remote inhabited island.

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One of the world's most famous yet least visited archaeological sites, Easter Island is a small, hilly, now treeless island of volcanic origin. Located in the Pacific Ocean at 27 degrees south of the equator and some 2200 miles (3600 kilometers) off the coast of Chile, it is considered to be the world's most remote inhabited island. Sixty-three square miles in size and with three extinct volcanoes (the tallest rising to 1674 feet), the island is, technically speaking, a single massive volcano rising over ten thousand feet from the Pacific Ocean floor. The oldest known traditional name of the island is Te Pito o Te Henua, meaning ‘The Center (or Navel) of the World.’ In the 1860’s Tahitian sailors gave the island the name Rapa Nui, meaning ‘Great Rapa,’ due to its resemblance to another island in Polynesia called Rapa Iti, meaning ‘Little Rapa’. The island received its most well known current name from the Dutch sea captain Jacob Roggeveen, who, on Easter Sunday, April 5, 1722, became the first European to visit.

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In the early 1950s, the Norwegian explorer Thor Heyerdahl (famous for his Kon-Tiki and Ra raft voyages across the oceans) popularized the idea that the island had been originally settled by advanced societies of Indians from the coast of South America. Extensive archaeological, ethnographic, and linguistic research has conclusively shown this hypothesis to be inaccurate. It is now recognized that the original inhabitants of Easter Island are of Polynesian stock (DNA extracts from skeletons have recently confirmed this), that they most probably came from the Marquesas or Society islands, and that they had arrived as early as 318 AD (carbon dating of reeds from a grave confirms this). At the time of their arrival, the island was entirely covered with thick forests, was teeming with land birds, and was the richest breeding site for seabirds in the Polynesia region. Within a matter of centuries this profusion of wildlife was destroyed by the islanders' way of life. The reasons are today eminently clear.

It is estimated that the original colonists, who may have been lost at sea, arrived in only a few canoes and numbered fewer than 100. Because of the plentiful bird, fish and plant food sources, the population grew rapidly and gave rise to a rich religious and artistic culture. However, the resource needs of the growing population inevitably outpaced the island's capacity to renew itself ecologically and the ensuing environmental degradation triggered a social and cultural collapse. Pollen records show that the destruction of the forests was well under way by the year 800, just a few centuries after the start of the first settlement. These forest trees were extremely important to the islanders, being used for fuel, for the construction of houses and ocean-fishing canoes, and as rollers for transporting the great stone statues. By the 1400s the forests had been entirely cut, the rich ground cover had eroded away, the springs had dried up, and the vast flocks of birds coming to roost on the island had long since disappeared. With no logs to build canoes for offshore fishing, with depleted bird and wildlife food sources, and with declining crop yields because of the erosion of good soil, the nutritional intake of the people plummeted. First famine, then cannibalism, set in. Because the island could no longer feed the chiefs, bureaucrats and priests who kept the complex society running, chaos resulted, and by 1700 the population dropped to between one-quarter and one-tenth of its former number. During the mid 1700s rival clans began to topple each other's stone statues. By 1864 the last of the statues was thrown down and desecrated.

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The barren lands and social strife that Admiral Roggeveen reported during his visit in 1722 make it difficult to imagine the extraordinary culture that had flowered on the island during the previous 1400 years. That culture's most famous features are its enormous stone statues called moai, at least 288 of which once stood upon massive stone platforms called ahu. There are some 250 of these ahu platforms spaced approximately one half mile apart and creating an almost unbroken line around the perimeter of the island. Another 600 moai statues, in various stages of completion, are scattered around the island, either in quarries or along ancient roads between the quarries and the coastal areas where the statues were most often erected. Nearly all the moai are carved from the tough stone of the Rano Raraku volcano. The average statue is 14 feet, 6 inches tall and weighs 14 tons. Some moai were as large as 33 feet and weighed more than 80 tons (one statue only partially quarried from the bedrock was 65 feet long and would have weighed an estimated 270 tons).

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The moai and ahu were in use as early as AD 700, but the great majority were carved and erected between AD 1000 and 1650. Depending upon the size of the statue, between 50 and 150 people were needed to drag it across the countryside on sleds and rollers made from the island's trees. While many of the statues were toppled during the clan wars of the 1600 and 1700s, other statues fell over and cracked while being transported across the island. Recent research has shown that certain statue sites, particularly the most important ones with great ahu platforms, were periodically ritually dismantled and reassembled with ever-larger statues. A small number of the moai were once capped with ‘crowns’ or ‘hats’ of red volcanic stone. The meaning and purpose of these capstones is not known, but archaeologists have suggested that the moai thus marked were of pan-island ritual significance or perhaps sacred to a particular clan.

Scholars are unable to definitively explain the function and use of the moai statues. It is assumed that their carving and erection derived from an idea rooted in similar practices found elsewhere in Polynesia but which evolved in a unique way on Easter Island. Archaeological and iconographic analysis indicates that the statue cult was based on an ideology of male, lineage-based authority incorporating anthropomorphic symbolism. The statues were thus symbols of authority and power, both religious and political. But they were not only symbols. To the people who erected and used them, they were actual repositories of sacred spirit. Carved stone and wooden objects in ancient Polynesian religions, when properly fashioned and ritually prepared, were believed to be charged by a magical spiritual essence called mana. The ahu platforms of Easter Island were the sanctuaries of the people of Rapa Nui, and the moai statues were the ritually charged sacred objects of those sanctuaries. While the statues have been toppled and re-erected over the centuries, the mana or spiritual presence of Rapa Nui is still strongly present at the ahu sites and atop the sacred volcanoes.

Mystery surrounds the purpose of the ahu platforms and moai statues but even more perplexing mysteries have begun to surface from the research of scholars outside the boundaries of conventional archaeology. As previously mentioned, orthodox archaeologists believe that Easter Island was initially settled sometime around 318 AD by a small group of Polynesians lost on the open sea. Other scholars, however, have suggested that the tiny island may have once been part of far larger island and that the original discovery and use of the site may be many thousands of years earlier in time (it is known, for example, that Melanesians were journeying around the Pacific in boats as early as 5500 BC). Three researchers in particular, Graham Hancock, Colin Wilson and Rand Flem-Ath, believe that Easter Island was an important node in a global grid of sacred geography that predates the great floods of archaic times. Easter Island, writes Graham Hancock, is “part of a massive subterranean escarpment called the East Pacific Rise, which reaches almost to the surface at several points. Twelve thousand years ago, when the great ice caps of the last glaciation were still largely unmelted, and sea-level was 100 meters lower than it is today, the Rise would have formed a chain of steep and narrow antediluvian islands, as long as the Andes mountain range.” At that time, the land we now call Easter Island would simply have been the highest peak of a much larger island. The fascinating question posed by Hancock, Wilson and Flem-Ath is whether this much larger island had been discovered and settled before the melting of the ice caps.

Besides its more well known name of Rapa Nui, Easter Island is also known as Te-Pito-O-Te-Henua, meaning ‘The Navel of the World’, and as Mata-Ki-Te-Rani, meaning ‘Eyes Looking at Heaven’. These ancient names and a host of mythological details ignored by mainstream archaeologists point to the possibility that the remote island may once have been both a geodetic marker and the site of an astronomical observatory of a long forgotten civilization. Speculations about this shadowy antediluvian culture include the notion that its mariners had charted the world’s oceans, that its astronomers had sophisticated knowledge of long-term astronomical cycles such as precession and cometary orbits, and that its historians had records of previous global cataclysms and the destruction they caused of even more ancient civilizations. In his book, Heaven’s Mirror, Hancock suggests that Easter Island may once have been a significant scientific outpost of this antediluvian civilization and that its location had extreme importance in a planet-spanning, mathematically precise grid of sacred sites. He writes, “The very existence of such an ancient world grid has been staunchly resisted by mainstream archaeologists and historians – as, of course, have all attempts to relate known sites to it. Nevertheless, the definite traces of lost astronomical knowledge that are to be seen on Easter Island, and the recurrent echoes of ancient Egyptian spiritual and cosmological themes, cast doubt on the scholarly explanation that the odd name ‘Navel of the World’ was adopted for purely ‘poetic and descriptive’ reasons. We suspect that Te-Pito-O-Te-Henua may originally have been selected for settlement, and given its name, entirely because of its geodetic location.” “What we are suggesting therefore is that Easter Island might have originally have been settled in order to serve as a sort of geodetic beacon, or marker – fulfilling some as yet unguessed at function in an ancient global system of sky-ground co-ordinates that linked many so-called ‘world navels’”.

Two other alternative scholars, Christopher Knight and Robert Lomas, have extensively studied the location and possible function of these geodetic markers. In their fascinating book, Uriel’s Machine, they suggest that one purpose of the geodetic markers was as part of global network of sophisticated astronomical observatories dedicated to predicting and preparing for future meteoric impacts and crustal displacement cataclysms. The great floods of archaic myths did not result only from the melting of the ice caps between 13,000 and 8000 BC but also from two great cataclysms that occurred during and after the melting of the ice caps. These cataclysms, a planet wide crustal displacement in 9600 BC and the seven cometary impacts of 7640 BC resulted in the massive waves (3-5 miles high, traveling at over 400 miles per hour for distances of more than 2000 miles), volcanic activity and other earth changes recorded in myths all across the planet. Prior to the melting of the ice caps and these cataclysmic events, however, a great maritime civilization may have existed, with its cities along coastlines now submerged beneath the seas.

[chattanova]

Easter Island

Introduction

Located in the Pacific Ocean at 27 degrees south of the equator and some 2200 miles (3600 kilometers) off the coast of Chile, Easter Island is considered to be the world's most remote inhabited island.

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One of the world's most famous yet least visited archaeological sites, Easter Island is a small, hilly, now treeless island of volcanic origin. Located in the Pacific Ocean at 27 degrees south of the equator and some 2200 miles (3600 kilometers) off the coast of Chile, it is considered to be the world's most remote inhabited island. Sixty-three square miles in size and with three extinct volcanoes (the tallest rising to 1674 feet), the island is, technically speaking, a single massive volcano rising over ten thousand feet from the Pacific Ocean floor. The oldest known traditional name of the island is Te Pito o Te Henua, meaning ‘The Center (or Navel) of the World.’ In the 1860’s Tahitian sailors gave the island the name Rapa Nui, meaning ‘Great Rapa,’ due to its resemblance to another island in Polynesia called Rapa Iti, meaning ‘Little Rapa’. The island received its most well known current name from the Dutch sea captain Jacob Roggeveen, who, on Easter Sunday, April 5, 1722, became the first European to visit.

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In the early 1950s, the Norwegian explorer Thor Heyerdahl (famous for his Kon-Tiki and Ra raft voyages across the oceans) popularized the idea that the island had been originally settled by advanced societies of Indians from the coast of South America. Extensive archaeological, ethnographic, and linguistic research has conclusively shown this hypothesis to be inaccurate. It is now recognized that the original inhabitants of Easter Island are of Polynesian stock (DNA extracts from skeletons have recently confirmed this), that they most probably came from the Marquesas or Society islands, and that they had arrived as early as 318 AD (carbon dating of reeds from a grave confirms this). At the time of their arrival, the island was entirely covered with thick forests, was teeming with land birds, and was the richest breeding site for seabirds in the Polynesia region. Within a matter of centuries this profusion of wildlife was destroyed by the islanders' way of life. The reasons are today eminently clear.

It is estimated that the original colonists, who may have been lost at sea, arrived in only a few canoes and numbered fewer than 100. Because of the plentiful bird, fish and plant food sources, the population grew rapidly and gave rise to a rich religious and artistic culture. However, the resource needs of the growing population inevitably outpaced the island's capacity to renew itself ecologically and the ensuing environmental degradation triggered a social and cultural collapse. Pollen records show that the destruction of the forests was well under way by the year 800, just a few centuries after the start of the first settlement. These forest trees were extremely important to the islanders, being used for fuel, for the construction of houses and ocean-fishing canoes, and as rollers for transporting the great stone statues. By the 1400s the forests had been entirely cut, the rich ground cover had eroded away, the springs had dried up, and the vast flocks of birds coming to roost on the island had long since disappeared. With no logs to build canoes for offshore fishing, with depleted bird and wildlife food sources, and with declining crop yields because of the erosion of good soil, the nutritional intake of the people plummeted. First famine, then cannibalism, set in. Because the island could no longer feed the chiefs, bureaucrats and priests who kept the complex society running, chaos resulted, and by 1700 the population dropped to between one-quarter and one-tenth of its former number. During the mid 1700s rival clans began to topple each other's stone statues. By 1864 the last of the statues was thrown down and desecrated.

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The barren lands and social strife that Admiral Roggeveen reported during his visit in 1722 make it difficult to imagine the extraordinary culture that had flowered on the island during the previous 1400 years. That culture's most famous features are its enormous stone statues called moai, at least 288 of which once stood upon massive stone platforms called ahu. There are some 250 of these ahu platforms spaced approximately one half mile apart and creating an almost unbroken line around the perimeter of the island. Another 600 moai statues, in various stages of completion, are scattered around the island, either in quarries or along ancient roads between the quarries and the coastal areas where the statues were most often erected. Nearly all the moai are carved from the tough stone of the Rano Raraku volcano. The average statue is 14 feet, 6 inches tall and weighs 14 tons. Some moai were as large as 33 feet and weighed more than 80 tons (one statue only partially quarried from the bedrock was 65 feet long and would have weighed an estimated 270 tons).

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The moai and ahu were in use as early as AD 700, but the great majority were carved and erected between AD 1000 and 1650. Depending upon the size of the statue, between 50 and 150 people were needed to drag it across the countryside on sleds and rollers made from the island's trees. While many of the statues were toppled during the clan wars of the 1600 and 1700s, other statues fell over and cracked while being transported across the island. Recent research has shown that certain statue sites, particularly the most important ones with great ahu platforms, were periodically ritually dismantled and reassembled with ever-larger statues. A small number of the moai were once capped with ‘crowns’ or ‘hats’ of red volcanic stone. The meaning and purpose of these capstones is not known, but archaeologists have suggested that the moai thus marked were of pan-island ritual significance or perhaps sacred to a particular clan.

Scholars are unable to definitively explain the function and use of the moai statues. It is assumed that their carving and erection derived from an idea rooted in similar practices found elsewhere in Polynesia but which evolved in a unique way on Easter Island. Archaeological and iconographic analysis indicates that the statue cult was based on an ideology of male, lineage-based authority incorporating anthropomorphic symbolism. The statues were thus symbols of authority and power, both religious and political. But they were not only symbols. To the people who erected and used them, they were actual repositories of sacred spirit. Carved stone and wooden objects in ancient Polynesian religions, when properly fashioned and ritually prepared, were believed to be charged by a magical spiritual essence called mana. The ahu platforms of Easter Island were the sanctuaries of the people of Rapa Nui, and the moai statues were the ritually charged sacred objects of those sanctuaries. While the statues have been toppled and re-erected over the centuries, the mana or spiritual presence of Rapa Nui is still strongly present at the ahu sites and atop the sacred volcanoes.

Mystery surrounds the purpose of the ahu platforms and moai statues but even more perplexing mysteries have begun to surface from the research of scholars outside the boundaries of conventional archaeology. As previously mentioned, orthodox archaeologists believe that Easter Island was initially settled sometime around 318 AD by a small group of Polynesians lost on the open sea. Other scholars, however, have suggested that the tiny island may have once been part of far larger island and that the original discovery and use of the site may be many thousands of years earlier in time (it is known, for example, that Melanesians were journeying around the Pacific in boats as early as 5500 BC). Three researchers in particular, Graham Hancock, Colin Wilson and Rand Flem-Ath, believe that Easter Island was an important node in a global grid of sacred geography that predates the great floods of archaic times. Easter Island, writes Graham Hancock, is “part of a massive subterranean escarpment called the East Pacific Rise, which reaches almost to the surface at several points. Twelve thousand years ago, when the great ice caps of the last glaciation were still largely unmelted, and sea-level was 100 meters lower than it is today, the Rise would have formed a chain of steep and narrow antediluvian islands, as long as the Andes mountain range.” At that time, the land we now call Easter Island would simply have been the highest peak of a much larger island. The fascinating question posed by Hancock, Wilson and Flem-Ath is whether this much larger island had been discovered and settled before the melting of the ice caps.

Besides its more well known name of Rapa Nui, Easter Island is also known as Te-Pito-O-Te-Henua, meaning ‘The Navel of the World’, and as Mata-Ki-Te-Rani, meaning ‘Eyes Looking at Heaven’. These ancient names and a host of mythological details ignored by mainstream archaeologists point to the possibility that the remote island may once have been both a geodetic marker and the site of an astronomical observatory of a long forgotten civilization. Speculations about this shadowy antediluvian culture include the notion that its mariners had charted the world’s oceans, that its astronomers had sophisticated knowledge of long-term astronomical cycles such as precession and cometary orbits, and that its historians had records of previous global cataclysms and the destruction they caused of even more ancient civilizations. In his book, Heaven’s Mirror, Hancock suggests that Easter Island may once have been a significant scientific outpost of this antediluvian civilization and that its location had extreme importance in a planet-spanning, mathematically precise grid of sacred sites. He writes, “The very existence of such an ancient world grid has been staunchly resisted by mainstream archaeologists and historians – as, of course, have all attempts to relate known sites to it. Nevertheless, the definite traces of lost astronomical knowledge that are to be seen on Easter Island, and the recurrent echoes of ancient Egyptian spiritual and cosmological themes, cast doubt on the scholarly explanation that the odd name ‘Navel of the World’ was adopted for purely ‘poetic and descriptive’ reasons. We suspect that Te-Pito-O-Te-Henua may originally have been selected for settlement, and given its name, entirely because of its geodetic location.” “What we are suggesting therefore is that Easter Island might have originally have been settled in order to serve as a sort of geodetic beacon, or marker – fulfilling some as yet unguessed at function in an ancient global system of sky-ground co-ordinates that linked many so-called ‘world navels’”.

Two other alternative scholars, Christopher Knight and Robert Lomas, have extensively studied the location and possible function of these geodetic markers. In their fascinating book, Uriel’s Machine, they suggest that one purpose of the geodetic markers was as part of global network of sophisticated astronomical observatories dedicated to predicting and preparing for future meteoric impacts and crustal displacement cataclysms. The great floods of archaic myths did not result only from the melting of the ice caps between 13,000 and 8000 BC but also from two great cataclysms that occurred during and after the melting of the ice caps. These cataclysms, a planet wide crustal displacement in 9600 BC and the seven cometary impacts of 7640 BC resulted in the massive waves (3-5 miles high, traveling at over 400 miles per hour for distances of more than 2000 miles), volcanic activity and other earth changes recorded in myths all across the planet. Prior to the melting of the ice caps and these cataclysmic events, however, a great maritime civilization may have existed, with its cities along coastlines now submerged beneath the seas.

Great posts jason bourne, thanks for contributing :)

More on Easter Island (Rapa Nui) http://www.davidicke.com/forum/showthread.php?t=36501

[chattanova]

200,000 Year Old Statue Found On Moon

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WASHINGTON, DC - A noted scientist has just produced proof that the lunar surface was inhabited by intelligent life: a 10-inch angel sculpture embedded in a moon rock.

Geologist Dr. Morris Charles revealed last week that NASA lab workers chipped the angel from one of the rocks brought to Earth by Apollo 11 astronauts 40 years ago, in 1969. Dr. Charles was a NASA scientist himself for 23 years but left the agency in 1987. He still maintains close ties to many of his former colleagues.

“The implications of this figurine are absolutely mind-boggling,” Dr. Charles told reporters. “It means that at one time the moon had an atmosphere conducive to life. And what’s more, it was once home to a sophisticated race of people with a highly refined sense of beauty.”

The angel - a humanoid female with wing-like appendages on her back and long flowing hair - is made of an iron compound found exclusively in the highlands of the moon.

This rules out the possibility that it was dropped by a race of aliens from another planet. It’s been hand polished to a silvery metallic sheen. Based on chemical analysis of the metal, geologists estimate the sculpture to be 200,000 years old which means it was made 170,000 years before the human species appeared on Earth.

It’s been examined by art experts who concur with Dr. Charles’ appraisal of the culture that produced it. “Clearly these beings had a sense of religion that parallels our Christianity. Perhaps they had a Jesus of their own, proving that the important spiritual principles are, in a very literal sense, universal,” said a Washington anthropologist.

Others are not so sure of its religious significance. Dr. Miles Fredericks of New York University countered, “This is just more Christian propaganda. The Sumerians told stories of the Annunaki, winged deities, as far back as 18th century BC. Maybe the Sumerians were visited by these moon beings, who merely modeled the statue after their own image.”

While many ponder the significance of the figure, others are curious about why it has remained a secret for so long. “The artifact has been common knowledge among NASA insiders for years,” said Dr. Charles. “But space agency higher-ups have kept the information highly classified, fearing world-wide panic. It was smuggled out to me by persons who must, for obvious reasons, remain anonymous.”

NASA officially denies Dr. Charles’ allegations. The statue was displayed to photographers and newsmen but is now being held for further study at an undisclosed location.

Astronauts of Antiquity - Zecharia Sitchin has already shown in The Twelfth Planet that the statues of gods and goddesses from Sumer present special helmets with protuberances on both sides (the Middle Ages’s illiteracy turned them into”devil horns”), which perfectly look like the pilots’ headphones; the statues were provided with the SHU.GAR.RA - a term that literally means”that which makes you go far into the Universe”.

Another image discovered in North Israel, dating back to the ninth millennium B.C., represents the sculpted head of a god with a helmet and safety glasses. Also a picture of the goddess Ishtar from her temple in Sumer…

All this suggests to us that the attire …was that of an aeronaut or an astronaut”…

Sumer

Many drawings on the Sumerian plates show the gods with wings, which were not belonging to the body, but they were accessories of the flight suit, therfore the gods looked like eagles…
This drawing on a Sumerian plate suggests that an Anunnaki / Elohim spaceship is connected to the base on Earth.”The central object … it is more mechanical, more manufactured than natural.Its (( wings )) looks almost exactly like the solar panels which American spacecraft are provided to convert the Sun’s energy to electricity. The two antennas cannot be mistaken. The circular craft … is located between Mars (the six - pointed star) and Earth and its Moon”(Z. Sitchin, The Twelfth Planet)…

http://thecrit.com/2009/05/05/200000...found-on-moon/

[ytch]

200,000 Year Old Statue Found On Moon

ah well, an angel!
That fits...
:rolleyes:

[chattanova]

Mexico: Humongous Footprints

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Prof. Ana Luisa Cid's site features some very interesting photographs of footprints clearly belonging to something

from the Cenozoic (or thereabouts!). A letter from Ing. Narciso Rodriguez, who discovered these impression in the

northern Mexican state of Coahuila some sixteen years ago, states that the footprints are specifically located in

the outskirts or Arteaga, some 20 minutes away from Saltillo, the area's largest city. Photos have been sent to the

local anthropological museum. Our thanks to Prof. Cid and Ing. Rodríguez for these images.

http://www.inexplicata.blogspot.com/

[noir]

Amazing

[chrischrille]

The Fossil Faced Man: Man Somehow Frozen in "Cretaceous Period" Flint

Very interesting,I want to see more pictures.
C

[lupa]

what a fantastic thread keep them coming!

[holybeast]

if we have found to be true man was here 100 million yrs ago how would that affect the bible?
well to me id say they came up with the bible 5000 years ago or so how did they get the info for how the bible starts in the beginning when the first man was made . how could we have presumed to pass that information down through a 100 million years of history.
also if you look at who wrote the beginning parts and mabye more of the bible was the sumerians who were conquered around 2000 bc by the "semites"
the winners write history anyhow thats only my 2 sense

[phildee3]

if we have found to be true man was here 100 million yrs ago how would that affect the bible?



No prob. -
if one "day" to the creator is millions of our years
and evolution is creator's moulding process during that one "day."

[jason_bourne]

7 Most Fascinating Underwater Ruins


Cleopatra's Palace in Alexandria (Egypt)

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Off the shores of Alexandria, the city of Alexander the Great, lies what is believed to be the ruins of the royal quarters of Cleopatra. A team of marine archaeologists led by Frenchman Franck Goddio made excavation on this ancient city from where Cleopatra, the last queen of the Ptolemies, ruled Egypt. Historians believe this site was submerged by earthquakes and tidal waves more than 1,600 years ago.

The excavations concentrated on the submerged island of Antirhodus. Cleopatra is said to have had a palace there. Other discoveries include a well-preserved shipwreck and red granite columns with Greek inscriptions. There were also founded two statues which were lifted out of the harbour. One was a priest of the goddess Isis; the other a sphinx whose face is said to represent Cleopatra's father, King Ptolemy XII. The artifacts were returned to their silent, because the Egyptian Government says it wants to leave most of them in place to create an underwater museum.



World's Wickedest City, Port Royal (Jamaica)

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One of the advantages of marine or nautical archeology is that, in many instances, catastrophic events send a ship or its cargo to the bottom, freezing a moment in time. A catastrophe that has helped nautical archeologists was the earthquake that destroyed part of the city of Port Royal, Jamaica. Once known as the "Wickedest City on Earth" for its sheer concentration of pirates, prostitutes and rum, Port Royal is now famous for another reason: "It is the only sunken city in the New World," according to Donny L. Hamilton.

Port Royal began its watery journey to the Academy Awards of nautical archeology on the morning of June 7, 1692, when, in a matter of minutes, a massive earthquake sent nearly 33 acres of the city -- buildings, streets, houses, and their contents and occupants -- careening into Kingston Harbor. Today, that underwater metropolis encompasses roughly 13 acres, at depths ranging from a few inches to 40 feet.

In 1981, the Nautical Archaeology Program of Texas A&M University, in cooperation with the Institute of Nautical Archaeology (INA) and the Jamaica National Heritage Trust (JNHT), began underwater archaeological investigations of the submerged portion of the 17th-century town of Port Royal, Jamaica. Present evidence indicates that while the areas of Port Royal that lay along the edge of the harbor slid and jumbled as they sank, destroying most of the archaeological context, the area investigated by TAMU / INA, located some distance from the harbor, sank vertically, with minimal horizontal disturbance.

In contrast to many archaeological sites, the investigation of Port Royal yielded much more than simply trash and discarded items. An unusually large amount of perishable, organic artifacts were recovered, preserved in the oxygen-depleted underwater environment. Together with the vast treasury of complimentary historical documents, the underwater excavations of Port Royal have allowed for a detailed reconstruction of everyday life in an English colonial port city of the late 17th century.



The submerged temples of Mahabalipuram (India)

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According to popular belief, the famous Shore Temple at Mahabalipuram wasn't a single temple, but the last of a series of seven temples, six of which had submerged. New finds suggest that there may be some truth to the story. A major discovery of submerged ruins was made in April of 2002 offshore of Mahabalipuram in Tamil Nadu, South India. The discovery, at depths of 5 to 7 meters (15 to 21 feet) was made by a joint team from the Dorset based Scientific Exploration Society (SES) and marine archaeologists from India's National Institute of Oceanography (NIO). Investigations at each of the locations revealed stone masonry, remains of walls, square rock cut remains, scattered square and rectangular stone blocks and a big platform with steps leading to it. All these lay amidst the locally occurring geological formations of rocks.

Based on what at first sight appears to be a lion figure at location four, the ruins were inferred to be part of a temple complex. The Pallava dynasty, which ruled the region during the 7th century AD, was known to have constructed many such rock-cut, structural temples in Mahabalipuram and Kanchipuram.

The reasons for the submergence of the ruins are remain unclear.



8000-year-old Yonaguni-Jima (Japan)

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Situated 68 miles beyond the east coast of Taiwan, Yonaguni Islands are a remarkable place for its rugged and mountainous coastlines. The special attraction is the submerged ruins located in the southern coast of Yonaguni: a superb 100×50x25 meters man-made artifact out of solid rock slabs stands erect at right angles. Its is estimated to be around 8000 years old, which is remarkably early for the kind of technology that has been used for carving it. Different theories exist about the possible identities of this structure.

While some say these ruins are the remnants of the missing Continent of Mu, other archeologists attribute them to be the outcome of unexplained geological processes, although, when you see the finely designed hallways and staircases, this ‘natural phenomenon' idea will appear sheer out of place.

The megalith was discovered quite accidentally by a sport diver in 1995 when he had strayed beyond the permissible limit off the Okinawa shore. The interesting thing about this massive stone building is that it had arches made of beautifully fitted stone blocks bearing resemblance with the building architectural style of the Inca civilization. Debates were rife about the ruins being associated with the prehistoric Motherland of Civilization. Surveying the ruins minutely takes time and skill because of the rough oceanic currents.



Pavlopetri (Greece)

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The ancient town of Pavlopetri lies in three to four metres of water just off the coast of southern Laconia in Greece. The ruins date from at least 2800 BC through to intact buildings, courtyards, streets, chamber tombs and some thirty-seven cist graves which are thought to belong to the Mycenaean period (c.1680-1180 BC). This Bronze Age phase of Greece provides the historical setting for much Ancient Greek literature and myth, including Homer's Age of Heroes.

Although Mycenaean power was largely based on their control of the sea, little is known about the workings of the harbour towns of the period as archaeology to date has focused on the better known inland palaces and citadels. Pavlopetri was presumably once a thriving harbour town where the inhabitants conducted local and long distance trade throughout the Mediterranean — its sandy and well-protected bay would have been ideal for beaching Bronze Age ships. As such the site offers major new insights into the workings of Mycenaean society.

Underwater archaeologist Dr Jon Henderson, from The University of Nottingham, is the first archaeologist to have official access to the site in 40 years. Despite its potential international importance no work has been carried out at the site since it was first mapped in 1968 and Dr Henderson has had to get special permission from the Greek government to examine the submerged town. According to him, this site is of rare international archaeological importance. It is imperative that the fragile remains of this town are accurately recorded and preserved before they are lost forever.



Dwarka Port (India)

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Among the most exciting archaeological discoveries made in India in recent years are those made off the coast of Dwarka and Bet Dwarka in Gujarat. Excavations have been going on since 1983. These two places are 30 km away from each other. Dwarka is on the Arabian sea coast, and Bet Dwarka is in the Gulf of Kutch. Both these places are connected with legends about the good Krishna and there are many temples here, mostly belonging to the medieval period.

Rated as one of the seven most ancient cities in the country, the legendary city of Dvaraka was the dwelling place of Lord Krishna. It is believed that due to damage and destruction by the sea, Dvaraka has submerged six times and modern day Dwarka is the 7th such city to be built in the area.

Archaeologists were keen to find out whether there were any older remains off the coast at these places.



The Lost Villages (Canada)

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"The Lost Villages" are ten communities in the Canadian province of Ontario, in the former townships of Cornwall and Osnabruck (now South Stormont) near Cornwall, which were permanently submerged by the creation of the St. Lawrence Seaway in 1958.

The flooding was expected and planned for. In the weeks and months leading up to the inundation, families and businesses in the affected communities were moved to the new planned communities of Long Sault and Ingleside. These negotiations were controversial, however, as many residents of the communities felt that market value compensation was insufficient since the Seaway plan had already depressed property values in the region.

The town of Iroquois was also flooded, but was relocated 1.5 kilometres north rather than abandoned. Another community, Morrisburg, was partially submerged as well, but the area to be flooded was moved to higher ground within the same townsite. A portion of the provincial Highway 2 in the area was flooded; the highway was rebuilt along a Canadian National Railway right-of-way in the area.

At 8 a.m. on July 1, 1958, a large cofferdam was demolished, allowing the flooding to begin. Four days later, all of the former townsites were fully underwater. Parts of the New York shoreline were flooded by the project as well, but no communities were lost on the American side of the river.

In some locations, a few remnants of sidewalks and building foundations can still be seen under the water, or even on the shoreline when water levels are sufficiently low. Some high points of land in the flooded area remained above water as islands, and are connected by the Long Sault Parkway. Lock 21 of the former Cornwall Canal (since replaced by the Saint Lawrence Seaway) is a popular scuba diving site, a few feet from the shore along the Parkway.

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[biblegirl]

7 Most Fascinating Underwater Ruins

great post jason, now i need to take up scuba diving :D

[branjo]

Those underwater structures near Japan, have they been mapped yet?

I wouldn't mind seeing the layout to see if they compare to other ancient structures like the Giza pyramid placement or the Mexican temples.

[coco]

Those underwater structures near Japan, have they been mapped yet?

I wouldn't mind seeing the layout to see if they compare to other ancient structures like the Giza pyramid placement or the Mexican temples.

I saw a History Channel doco about those very structures - fascinating! There really isn't much known about them. One brilliant scientist is convinced they are natural formations. Other scientists featured in the program and I believe they are man made.

Can't find a link to the History Channel feature but this one is nice, too.


http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zIu2rA0yd9s

[coco]

Those underwater structures near Japan, have they been mapped yet?

I wouldn't mind seeing the layout to see if they compare to other ancient structures like the Giza pyramid placement or the Mexican temples.

http://www.abovetopsecret.com/forum/thread122971/pg1



:)

[branjo]

Nice one, Coco.

Natural formation? I don't think so either...lol.

Fascinating stuff.

[chattanova]

200,000 Year Old Statue Found On Moon

Just a reminder: This is obviously a hoax and I'm sorry for having posted it. ;)

[branjo]

Just a reminder: This is obviously a hoax and I'm sorry for having posted it. ;)

Actually we need the odd wrench thrown into the works just to keep the deductive reasoning in shape. Keeps us grounded.

[mrindigo]

Being a resident of New England, I find this very interesting, and definitely out of place.


The Mysterious Megaliths of New England
By Paul Tudor Angel


Located in the heart of modern-day New England stand sites of such great antiquity; sites so enigmatic, so sophisticated and seemingly inexplicable, serious scientists and archaeologists have denied their study because of their monumental implications: it would force them to throw away their preconceived notions about the achievements of ancient man into the historical garbage can.

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Mystery Hill, the Upton Cave, Calendar I and Calendar II, Gungywamp and Druid’s Hill are just several of the names given some incredibly important historical sites of which many have never heard a whisper. But their existence—and their importance—is becoming harder and harder to hide as more are discovered and interested folk become exposed to their grandeur.

Sometime in the late 1600s or early 1700s, early American colonists began discovering and utilizing underground “root cellars” made of large but manageable pieces of dressed stone as storage houses for food stuffs. Colonists were also finding numerous stone buildings, usually of “one story, circular or rectangular in form, and up to 30 feet in length and up to 10 feet wide and eight feet high or more.” Many included roof slabs or lintels of several tons. Many also had carefully crafted openings in their roofs which allowed a small amount of light to pass through to the interiors. The colonial newcomers were convinced that these so-called root cellars had been constructed by the former Amerind inhabitants of the area—irrespective of the fact that their Indian neighbors showed little hint of an ability to work in large stone or the desire to do so. Before long, the inheritors of these properties thought their own American ancestors had built these cellars—some which were eighty feet deep and lined the entire way with roughly hewn stone.



Simultaneously, hundreds, perhaps thousands, of oddly-inscribed flagstones were being found in the surrounding New England woods, carted off by farmers for use in stone walls or in larger stone structures in the settlements of the growing northeast. The angular cuts on these stones looked much like the marks a plow makes when it strikes a submerged piece of stone—at least they looked that way to most of the simple country farmers of the day. Others believed the markings appearing in rocks all across New England were “the action of the roots of trees.” For decades nothing at all was thought of them. As any New Englander can tell you, the entire northeast is strewn with large chunks of striated stone material left from the last era of glacial recession.

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But a local Puritan clergyman, Cotton Mather, was not convinced. In 1712 he discovered some strange incisions on an exposed seaside rockface in Dighton, Massachusetts—far from where any plow could have marked it. He immediately wrote to the Royal Society in London, England, to inform them of his find and to convey his belief that the rock carvings were in fact an ancient scriptural alphabet—perhaps several differing ancient alphabets. Unexpectedly, his letter generated little interest. The scientists of the Royal Society were already busy exploring newly discovered rock inscriptions in neighboring Ireland. These European inscriptions were later identified as Irish Hinge Ogam, a form of Gaelic Keltic writing unknown for centuries and stubbornly undecipherable. It is referred to as “hinge” Ogam because a central dividing line or a facet edge was used to separate the subtly different individual characters. Little did anyone know at the time, the inscriptions found on both sides of the Atlantic were firmly connected.

Yet how could Celtic writing, a style reminiscent of that from the first millennium B.C., be in America? Who were the authors of the many rock engravings? How could the carvers possibly have gotten to America a thousand years before the birth of Christ? Why had they come and what evidence is there to support such a far-fetched notion? And what of the large stone structures found across the American northeast, eerily similar to types found in Europe?

The answers were being spoken loudly and clearly if someone could only listen to what the rocks and buildings themselves had to say. But time seemed to be running out. Thousands of the inscribed rocks were being broken up for building material and the larger stone structures were being dismantled or vandalized, destroying the monumental works of these mysterious builders.

Calendar II: Vermont’s Mysterious Underground Chamber

One summer day, I drove to the top of a mountain in central Vermont. At the top, I parked and started walking around. I get a certain feeling at power centers and I was picking up on this feeling as I found a standing stone and a recumbent stone with Iberian Ogam inscriptions believed to have been written by European Celts 3000 years ago. So much for Columbus “discovering” America. At the center of this cosmic place is a beautifully preserved underground chamber called Calendar II because it is oriented to the midwinter sunrise. If you sit inside the chamber and look out the entranceway on the morning of the winter solstice, December 21, the sun will rise in the center of the entrance. Analysis by archeoastronomer Byron Dix shows that the chamber was also used in lunar observations and eclipse prediction. This is only one of many such sites found all over New England.

This chamber, like most other such chambers, is located over an underground water spring and a ley-line power center. As I entered the chamber, I felt a palpable presence in the air, an increase in energy density, an intensity of experience. It came to me that this chamber was specially designed to evoke these kinds of feelings and experiences. The overhead lintel stones weigh approximately three tons each. I couldn’t stay in the chamber for more than five minutes. The “volume” of the energy in this place was too high for my tastes and sensitivity.

Monuments harbor the potential for universal creative power that can be directed for the progress of humanity. In India, such spots are called tantrapieds, places for liberation and enlightenment. These sacred places have a very spiritual vibration, facilitating deep meditation and contemplation.

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From “Finding Places of Power: Dowsing Earth Energies”, published online by The Geo Group (www.geo.org) Reprinted with permission of Chuck Pettis, author of Secrets of Sacred Space (Llewellyn Worldwide, Ltd.,), available at Amazon.com
For answers, we first turn to an odd stone arrangement found in the hills of New England. The Mystery Hill complex, the largest and most sophisticated of its kind in North America, covers over 30 acres and is composed of monolithic standing stones, stone walls and underground chambers, most of which are aligned to obvious astronomical points. Even now the site can be used as an accurate yearly calendar utilizing the stones set up over two thousand (perhaps as long as 5,000) years ago. The lack of household artifacts and grave goods leads us to believe that the site was a ceremonial center and neither living quarters nor a “city.”

Over the years the more interesting features and structures on-site have been given un-scientific names that insinuate inferred function. The “Watch House” is the name given to a chamber structure located outside the main complex at Mystery Hill. The roof is a massive, quarried slab of granite of several tons. On the back wall of the chamber the stones contain a high percentage of white quartz, a stone found in its pure form in many of the neolithic structures over the world and treasured by ancient peoples for its reflective qualities. This particular chamber is aligned to the February first sunrise and lunar minor south. At sunrise on this date the sunlight enters the entrance of the chamber and slowly moves along one wall until it illuminates the quartz crystals at the back wall, making the semi-precious gems sparkle noticeably. February first was one of the eight most important divisions of the Keltic year as we shall discuss in more detail later.

The “Oracle Chamber” is one of the most interesting and important structures located at Mystery Hill—or anywhere for that matter. It is significantly larger than any other chamber found at the site and contains unique characteristics found nowhere else in any of the other megalithic sites in New England.

A 4 inch by 6 inch shaft, lined with thin facing stones, runs from the exterior and enters through the interior wall at about chin level. The “Speaking Tube,” as it is called, emerges above ground, yet concealed underneath a sacrificial altar with runnels. It would seem that the speakers within the Oracle Chamber could talk into the tube, their voices warped and amplified, carrying up to the altar above and creating quite an impressive sound to a group of worshippers who might be gathered around the altar—in effect making the altar talk.

http://planetvermont.com/pvq/v9n1/sacrificial-stone.jpg

Also found across the Mystery Hill site are huge monolithic standing stones (some now fallen) all of which line up to sun, moon or star alignments as seen from a central viewing slab located by one of the earlier researchers at the site. From this slab, monoliths align to the Midwinter solstice sunrise and sunset, the November one sunrise and sunset, the Spring and Fall Equinox sunrises and sunsets, the May one sunrise and sunset, the Midsummer solstice sunrise and sunset, the August one sunrise and sunset and true north (this stone is aligned to the star Thuban, the pole star of 2,000 B.C.). On these days the sun will either rise or set above worked monolith stones. Exact alignments coincide, according to scholars and astronomers, with a date of 2499 B.C. to 1900 B.C.

Other impressive constructions on the site include a number of underground chambers with clear astronomical alignments. The calendrical orientations of these slab-roofed chambers, it would seem, would rule out these structures being constructed as root cellars by early American colonists or the woodlands Indians of the northeast as neither were concerned with alignments that coincide with the most important of yearly Keltic celebrations. Further, noted archaeo-astronomer Byron Dix has determined that New England is replete with underground chambers. He says, “ there are some 105 astronomically aligned chambers in Massachusetts, 51 in New Hampshire, 41 in Vermont, 62 in Connecticut, 12 in Rhode Island, and 4 in Maine.”1 Suffice it to say, it is obvious that the alignments found at Mystery Hill and other sites are not random.

One of the central features of the Mystery Hill site is the sacrificial table/altar. It is a 4.5 ton grooved slab whose purpose is still under debate by scholars. In the words of archeologist and Mystery Hill curator Robert Stone: “ others believe it was used for sacrifices, not only because of its central location, its size, but also because the Oracle speaking tube was beneath it, as well as the carved channel [for the draining of blood] on the top surface. It is positioned on four worked stone legs and is located at the center of the site in a large courtyard.”2

It too bears a striking resemblance to altar stones found at megalithic sites in Europe. And we do know that blood sacrifice and altars such as these were connected firmly to Neolithic religions. But even more than mere physical resemblance to European sites, it was carbon dating, carried out under the supervision of respected scientists from Geochron Laboratories in 1971 that supported the disputed claims of researchers who were being ridiculed for insisting that Mystery Hill was a site of extreme antiquity. Carbon tests conducted on charcoal found alongside a stone pick and a hammer stone unearthed at an excavation near one of the underground chambers reveal a date of 2,000 B.C. The artifacts were clearly related to Neolithic pieces of the same era in the British Isles and Iberia. The excavation pit carbon tested had been undisturbed before digging and layers of strata above were perfectly intact.

Unfortunately, many of the other structures at the site were carted away, vandalized or destroyed—yet what remains should be viewed as one of the most important historical sites in the Western Hemisphere. And Mystery Hill is not—by far—the only megalithic site in New England whose origins are somewhat clouded.

Megalithic constructions known as dolmens can be found all across new England, the western part of Europe and even into Syria and South Africa. Dolmen comes from the Breton word for stone table as the dolmens in many instances are three, four or five smaller boulders topped by an immense, flat-topped boulder than can weigh any where from several tons to 90 tons. Many of these capstones are however roundish, dressed stones, and not flat topped.

The dolmen usually was erected to commemorate the death of a chieftain or an historical event of great importance and scriptural incisions usually accompany the dolmen on stone markers. Some experts believe that the dolmen was actually a tomb that was then covered in huge amounts of earth—in effect a tumulous tomb in which the earth has been eroded away. Dolmens are frequently occurring structures in the American northeast. There are in fact over 200 examples of dolmens in New England alone and some very impressive examples can be found in our country as far away as California.

Another frequently occurring megalithic structure familiar to all readers is the stone circle. We know of the great Stonehenge complex in England with its huge stones found there and the many calendrical alignments they delineate. But there are ancient stone circles in New England as well.

Probably the most intriguing archaeological site in Connecticut is located in Groton and is called “Gungywamp,” thought to be an ancient Indian name, but actually ancient Gaelic meaning, “Church of the People.” Besides containing beehive chambers and petroglyphs, the Gungywamp site has a double circle of stones near its center, just north of two stone chambers. Two concentric circles of large quarried stones large slabs laid end to end—are at the center of the site. Extensive fire burning on some of the slabs is apparent which leads many to believe it was an ancient altar. Nearby there are several large pillar stones and one boulder slab that have been carefully positioned along astronomical site lines.

Visiting the Gungywamp site on the afternoon of September 21st, Dave Barron, the head of the Gungywamp Society, saw a sight that he would never forget. He said, “The setting sun had cast a beam of light through the vent shaft at the back of the chamber. This beam of light slowly moved down the east wall and spotlighted into the small beehive crypt near the entrance. This stone-lined tube was designed precisely to permit the Equinoctical sunset to fully penetrate the chamber’s dark interior on only two days during the year—March 22nd and September 21. The high density of garnet in the stones magnified the intensity of the sunlight entering the chamber. It certainly acts as a predictable calendar. The Gungywamp site has been carbon dated to 600 A.D.”3

James Whittall had this to say about an astonishing megalithic site he viewed at LeBlanc Park in Lowell, Massachusetts: “There I saw a sight I had not seen since my travels in the British Isles. Situated on a mound were weathered megalithic stones. I was filled with disbelief—it just couldn’t be—western Europe, yes, but here in Massachusetts—no. The reality of the scene was astonishing.”

This oval mound was measured at 112 feet long by 56 feet wide. And the stones, as Whittall predicted, provided astronomical alignments. The monoliths were oriented east to west, and bearings of the sight indicated that it had been used to observe solar events. The first observation was made on September 22nd, the fall equinox, from the highest stone on the western side from the peak of the eastern most stone. The sun set behind stone number four just as Whittall had surmised.

http://planetvermont.com/pvq/v9n1/megaliths.html

[jason_bourne]

The Money Pit

Oak Island Money Pit Part 1: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Sw2E3xwO_M4
Oak Island Money Pit Part 2: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=b49YEhMCgL0&feature=related
Oak Island Money Pit Part 3: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ELsURJxMSK0&NR=1
Oak Island Money Pit Part 4: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=sXF1K2sfx74&feature=related


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http://www.unmuseum.org/oakdiag.jpg
One can only wonder what would have happened if young Daniel McGinnis had chosen to go exploring somewhere else on that fateful day in the summer of 1795. If he had, perhaps nobody else would have walked the woods on the eastern end of Oak Island for the next ten years. In that time, the clearing McGinnis found might have been reclaimed completely by the woods. In a forest, the thirteen foot-wide depression in the ground might never have been noticed. Thick, leafy branches might have obscured the old tackle block hanging from a branch directly over the pit. Without these markers, there would have been nothing to indicate that this was the work of man. And there might have never been the two-hundred year long treasure hunt that cost several fortunes and many lives.

But McGinnis did see the clearing and the depression and the tackle block. Visions of pirate treasure did fill his head. He did return later with two friends, John Smith, age 19, and Anthony Vaughan, age 16. And together, with picks and shovels, they did start perhaps the most famous treasure hunt of modern times.

Undoubtedly, the three must have thought they were on the verge of discovering the treasure of Captain William Kidd. Stories that the captain had buried a treasure hoard on an island "east of Boston" had been circulating since the 1600's. Legend had it that a dying sailor in the New England Colonies confessed to being a part of Kidd's notorious crew, but he never named an exact location for the hidden booty.

The island McGinnis, Smith and Vaughan were on was one of 300 small isles in the Mahone Bay, Nova Scotia, Canada. It was peanut-shaped and about three-quarters of a mile long and 1,000 feet wide.

Cutting away the smaller trees, the three young men started digging in the depression. After two feet they hit a floor of carefully laid flagstones. This type of slate was not found on the island and the group figured it had been brought there from about two miles north. Below the stones they saw that they were digging down a shaft that had been refilled. The walls of the shaft were scored with the marks of pick axes, more evidence that this structure was the work of men.

At the ten foot level they hit wood. At first the group figured they'd hit a treasure chest, but quickly realized that they had found a platform of oaken logs sunk into the sides of the shaft. Pulling up the logs they discovered a two-foot depression and more of the shaft. Continuing to dig, they finally reached a depth of twenty-five feet. At that depth they decided they could not continue without more help and better planning. Covering the pit over, they left. One thing the three were sure of, though, was that something must be at the bottom of the pit. They concluded that nobody would have gone to the trouble of digging a shaft deeper than 25 feet unless he had something very valuable to hide.

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Nineteenth Century Excavations
Not much more was done with the pit until around 1802. While stories differ, it seems likely that the three spent the previous years searching for a financial backer to provide assistance for a more sophisticated dig. Simeon Lynds visited the money pit that year, was impressed by the story, and formed a company to support the excavation.

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The work was started in the summer of 1803. After cleaning out the old pit, the crew started digging downward. Stories have it that they struck another oak platform at 30 feet below the surface. As they continued to dig they found something every ten feet: charcoal, putty, stones or more log platforms. Finally, at the 80 or 90 foot level, depending on which historical account you read, a flat stone, three feet long and one foot wide, with strange letters and figures cut into it, was found. At 93 feet deep, the floor of the pit began to turn into soft mud. Before the end of that day the crew probed the bottom of the shaft with a crowbar hoping to find something. They hit a barrier as wide and as long as the shaft. The group speculated that they'd finally reached the treasure vault and went to bed with the expectations that tomorrow a fortune would be theirs.

Returning the next day, the crew was shocked to find that overnight the pit had filled with 60 feet of water. Bailing was useless. As soon as water was removed from the pit, more flowed in to take its place. An attempt was made to dig another shaft nearby and get at the treasure by running a tunnel underneath the pit, but the new shaft flooded as soon as the tunnel got close to its objective.

Another attempt to find the treasure wasn't made until 1849. A new corporation was formed to finance the dig. This group wasn't much more successful, running into the same flooding problems that occurred back in 1802. They did manage to use a drill to probe what was below the money pit floor. A platform was constructed in the shaft just above the water level and the drill operated from there. The drill seemed to bore through levels of oak, spruce and clay. One sample recovered what appeared to be several links of chain made of gold.

While the drilling was going on, someone noticed that the water in the pit was salty and rose and fell with the tide. This led to speculation that the builders of the pit had conceived a clever trap designed to flood the pit with water if someone got to close too the treasure.

The existence of the flood trap was confirmed by the discovery that the beach of Smith's Cove, located some 500 feet away from the money pit, was artificial. Examination showed that the original clay of the cove had been dug away and in its place laid round beach stones, covered by four or five inches of dead eel grass, which was covered by coconut fiber two inches thick and finally the sand of the beach. At the bottom of all this were five box drains that apparently merged somewhere well back from the coast into a single tunnel that ran the distance to the money pit. The system was apparently designed so that the filtering action of the coconut fiber and the eel grass would ensure the drains would never be clogged by sand or gravel from the beach. It worked well.

Attempts were made to put the flood trap out of business by building a cofferdam around the cove to by holding the tides back. Later, pits were dug to intersect and plug the tunnel on its route to the money pit. These failed, and this try at reaching the treasure was given up in 1851 when the money ran out.

The next attempt in 1861 cost the first human life. The searchers tried to pump out the money pit using the steam engine-powered pumps. A boiler burst and one worker was scalded to death while others were injured. Further fatalities were barely avoided when the money pit's bottom, weakened by attempts to get at the treasure by digging up underneath from other shafts, collapsed. If there were any treasure chests they were probably carried much deeper by this crash. This dig did succeed in discovering where the flood tunnel entered the money pit, but there was still no way to turn off the water. By 1864 these searchers were also out of money.

In 1866, 1893, 1909, 1931 and 1936 additional excavations were started. Extreme methods were used including setting dynamite charges to destroy the flood tunnel, building a dam to keep the water out of Smith's Cove, and bringing in a crane with an excavation bucket. None of these approaches recovered a single coin while costing the backers a small fortune and one worker his life. One of these efforts did manage to block off the flood tunnel from Smith's Cove, only to discover more water was pouring in from the opposite direction via a natural or man-made route from the south shore. Drilling also indicated that there might be some kind of cement vault at the 153-foot level. By this time the south end of the island was full of old shafts, though, and it was increasingly hard to tell were the original money pit was located. Searchers often ran out of money just trying to figure out where the old shaft had been.

Modern Excavations
In 1959 Robert Restall, a former daredevil motorcyclist, took up the challenge with the help of his 18-year-old son. By then the Smith Cove's flood tunnel had become unblocked and Restall made it his first order of business to seal it off. He had sunk a shaft to the depth of 27 feet near Smith's Cove when tragedy struck. His son found him laying at the bottom of the pit in muddy water. Climbing down to help his father, the boy suddenly fell off the ladder and lay next to him. Kal Graseser, Restall's partner, and workers Cyril Hiltz and Andy DeMont climbed down to assist, but also collapsed before reaching the bottom. Edward White, a visiting fireman from Buffalo, New York, immediately suspected carbon monoxide poisoning from the exhaust of a nearby gasoline pump and descended the pit with a rope tied around his waist. He was able to rescue DeMont, but the others died. In one day Oak Island mystery claimed four more lives.

In 1965 Robert Dunfield tried to apply modern open pit mining methods to the treasure hunt. Using a 70-ton digging crane he dug a hole at the original pit site 140 feet deep and 100 feet in diameter. The dirt was carefully sifted for any treasure, but only a few pieces of porcelain dishware were found. Heavy rains dragged the work out for months and Dunfield ran out of money. The pit, and its mystery designer, had won again.

The Money Pit Today
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In 1970 the Triton Alliance was formed to continue looking for the treasure. Legal battles between owners of different portions of the island resulted in slow progress. A number of holes were drilled in an attempt to locate the treasure and better understand the geological nature of the island, but no gold was recovered. Little work has been done in the area of the money pit itself as the soil is unstable. Often caverns, thought to be natural, have been found beneath the island. A video camera lowered down one borehole into one of these spaces recorded an image that looked like chests and a human hand severed at the wrist. The quality of the images was so poor, though, that positive identification was impossible.

Triton brought the Woods Hole Oceanographic Institute in to survey the island in 1995 and render an opinion on whether there is something valuable at the bottom of the pit. While their report is confidential, people who have seen it say that its conclusions are "not discouraging." Currently little work is being done on the island while disputes between the owners of Triton are being settled.

In addition to the money pit the rest of the island seems to be loaded with old stone markers of various types. The most peculiar of these are 6 boulders that seem to be laid out in the shape of a cross that is almost 900 feet long. Some wild speculation based on the cross suggest that Oak Island might be home to the long missing Holy Grail, but there is no real solid evidence to support this idea.

Possible Culprits
So, who built the money pit? And did they really put some kind of treasure down there? Was it Captain Kidd? Despite the legends it seem unlikely that Captain William Kidd ever had the chance to bury a treasure on Oak Island. He spent little time near Nova Scotia and certainly not enough to construct the money pit. Kidd did bury a cache of booty on Gardener's Island near the eastern end of Long Island Sound, but it was quickly seized by the Governor of New York.

Blackbeard, who possessed perhaps the most notorious reputation of all pirates, has sometimes been mentioned in conjunction with Oak Island, but only because he once boasted he had an underground cache for his treasure, "where none but Satan and myself can find it." Certainly many of the Oak Island treasure hunters would agree that this sounds like the money pit, but the truth is there isn't any evidence that Blackbeard conducted any operations north of Delaware.

In fact, it seems very unlikely that any pirate could be responsible for such a complex labyrinth as the pit. Pirates buried treasure because it offered a quick way to hide and recover their goods. A digging operation that must have taken several months just doesn't seem their style.

George Bates, a land surveyor in Nova Scotia, suggested that pirates had indeed built structures on Oak Island, but not for the purpose of hiding treasure. Bate's idea was that there was enough pirate activity between 1650 and 1750 off the coast of Nova Scotia to warrant several pirate groups getting together and building a dry dock to maintain their ships. To do this they sailed their vessels into Smith's Cove and built a cofferdam to seal the tiny bay off from the ocean. The flood tunnel was used to then drain the cove and leave the ship high and dry. The water flooded down the tunnel into a large natural cave underneath the island. A windmill located on top of the money pit extracted the water so the cove could again be drained for the next ship.

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The weakness of Bates argument is that located on the other side of Nova Scotia, only a hundred miles away, is the Bay of Fundy. The tides in the bay drop at least 30 feet each day making it a huge natural dry dock. Why would the pirates duplicate what nature already provided?

Speaking of nature, is it possible that the money pit is a natural phenomena, not a cleverly designed vault? Certainly there are natural caves under Oak Island and the depression found by McGinnis could have been a sink hole. Unless all early accounts are completely incorrect the descriptions of the platforms carefully placed at 10-foot intervals seem to ensure that at least part of the structure is man-made.

Some theories suggest that the structures built on Oak Island may have been hundreds, perhaps even thousand of years old when they were discovered in 1795. They may have been built by Vikings visiting the New World, or by the native Micmac people who lived in the region before the Europeans appeared. Perhaps they were built by an advanced civilization that we know nothing about. Indeed the flood tunnel trap built into the pit in some ways reminds one of the false doors and granite plugs found in Egyptian tombs to prevent grave robbing.

If any of the above theories were true why did McGinnis discover the pit in the heart of a clearing? The trees around the money pit must have been cut when it was constructed. Given the rate oak trees grow, that meant someone had built the pit not more than fifty years before McGinnis stumbled across it.

Who would have hidden a treasure between 1745 and 1795? William Crooker, author of several books on the Oak Island mystery, suggests that the pit was built as a part of plot by King George III of England and several of his close advisors. On August 12, 1762, British forces captured the city of Havana, Cuba, from the Spanish. Havana was a rich, important city where much of the gold from the New World was shipped back to Spain. Two shiploads of the captured booty, Crooker suggests, was taken by the Earl of Albemarle to Oak Island. Previously the conspirators had arranged for military engineers to come to the island and build what they thought was a secret ammo dump complete with flood tunnels. Albemarle arrived with the treasure in sealed boxes. The treasure was placed in the pit, the pit was closed, and the engineers departed still thinking they had built an ammo dump.

Albemarle returned to England with the idea of retrieving the treasure later. Something, perhaps the madness that afflicted King George toward the end of his life, prevented getting the booty and it was forgotten about.

Crooker's theory raises another possibility, though. Suppose there is no treasure at all and the pit is simply an old ammo dump? We will only find out for sure when someone comes along who is clever enough, and rich enough, to beat the designer of the money pit and make a thorough investigation of what lies at the bottom.

Source: http://www.unmuseum.org/oakisl.htm

[caper]

Fantastic thread guys!
The Ica stones are especially fascinating, i recall reading somewhere that the image of the earth on one particular stone would have looked like that at one point in the past, but it would have been tens of millions of years ago at the very least, according to some experts.

Truly fascinating stuff.

[biblegirl]

great ones mrindigo and jason :D

thanks for posting those

[j_shell]

Petroglyph: Bird Eats Man

Bird eats man? or stalk delivers baby?

[branjo]

Bird eats man? or stalk delivers baby?

:D

[chattanova]

Did gardener find fossilized footprint?
Man thinks rock with four-toed indentation might be prehistoric

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Last summer, sneakered feet were turning up in B.C. waters with mysterious regularity.

This year, a couple in northeastern B.C. found a footprint -- and it too has them stumped.

So Neil and Earlene Bitterman are now doing a bit of sole-searching.

About a week ago, Neil was mowing the lawn at the couple's home in Hudson's Hope when a small watermelon-sized boulder threatened to churn up the lawn mower blades.

Before tossing it on the rock pile with the others that litter his property, something made him stop.

He and his wife, Earlene, cleared away some debris to discover a four-toed indentation in the rock they think may have been made by someone standing barefoot on their tiptoes or running.

"My size-10 foot fits in there perfectly," said Neil, 48.

"It has caused quite a stir in the community," said Earlene, with the visiting local looky-loos all wanting to slide their own feet into the imprint.

The web lists a number of fossilized human or hominid footprints, some in Tanzania dating back 3.5 million years.

The Bittermans have sent photos to paleontologists in Canada and the U.S. and onto online fossil forums, noting their small town of 1,100 an hour from Fort St. John is a hotbed of paleontology and home to many marine reptile fossils and dinosaur footprints.

They have heard nothing back, except for a lukewarm response from Alberta's Royal Tyrrell Museum and a few forum comments, including one from England accusing them of being Creationists intent on proving the existence of trolls.

Earlene said they haven't ruled out that it could have been made by a saber tooth or prehistoric sloth.

"I'd sure like someone who knows the business to see if it's a print or if it's just an anomaly of some sort," said Neil.

After seeing a photo, the Tyrrell's Dr. Don Brinkman said in an e-mail via the museum's public relations department that the rock is likely a pseudo fossil, something that looks like a fossil but isn't.

He referred questions to Richard McCrea, a paleontologist with the Peace River Paleontology Research Centre who specializes in footprints.

McCrea is out in the field for at least another week and couldn't be reached.

If it turns out not to be a significant find, the Bittermans will be happy to keep it in their home.

"It would be quite a conversation piece," said Neil.

http://www.theprovince.com/technology/gardener+find+fossilized+footprint/1864762/story.html

[coco]

^^

Wow!

[blind_raven]

Thing Im curious about that foot, is the extra bump above the big toe. If you look at the other impressions they are different and more just indents, yet the one above the big toe looks different and along the same lines as the rest of the foot print. Curious finding!

[the om]

Alrighty then... Awesome thread!!! I've been lookin for a specific anomoly, but couldnt find it on here... Maybe someone knows what its called, or (in which case you're awesome) has links to it. Its a huge slab of rock, I think somewhere outside Lebanon. Its like a few kilometers long (and wide) and a few tons heavy. If anyone has any idea, I'd really appreciate some help on this one.

[vetis]

Did gardener find fossilized footprint?
Man thinks rock with four-toed indentation might be prehistoric

Sorry that doesn't look like a footprint. If you see one then I can only suggest its similar to seeing shapes in clouds.

[vetis]

Alrighty then... Awesome thread!!! I've been lookin for a specific anomoly, but couldnt find it on here... Maybe someone knows what its called, or (in which case you're awesome) has links to it. Its a huge slab of rock, I think somewhere outside Lebanon. Its like a few kilometers long (and wide) and a few tons heavy. If anyone has any idea, I'd really appreciate some help on this one.

www.habeeb.com/lebanon.photos.51.html - Not quite what you described but there is a huge megalith?

[the om]

www.habeeb.com/lebanon.photos.51.html - Not quite what you described but there is a huge megalith?

Vetis, you ... are ... AWESOME. 21st picture from the top is what I was thinking of.

Rock on

[biblegirl]

baalbeck is fantastic, definitely on my list of places to see :D

[armoured_amazon]

Gosh, this is going to take me some time to work through; only just finished page one and am loving it. :D

[coco]

Gosh, this is going to take me some time to work through; only just finished page one and am loving it. :D

It's a fabulous thread with great contributors.

[teardropexplodes]

I posted earlier about the medieval runestones discovered around the USA.
Listening to Coast to Coast 9th August show they discussed new findings and in particular a hooked X which features on some of these stones. Turns out this symbol can also be found in the rosslyn chapel of holy grail fame ;)
Also, on one of the American runestones the word grail is spelled out. It's written in a form used only by the Cistercian monks who just happened to form the Knights Templar.
Also, the "mystery tower" of Newport was mentioned. Have a look at this:-

http://www.unexplainedearth.com/graphics/articles/20040914/tower_wide.jpg

http://www.unexplainedearth.com/newport.php

I'd never heard of this structure! What a beautiful medieval tower! Soon as I saw it I was convinced it was pre-Columbus. We have medieval towers like this all around York. I'm now completely sold on the theory that the Cistercians were in the Americas in the 14th century.

History Channel is airing a documentary about this topic:-

http://www.chaskaherald.com/news/entertainment/changing-history-controversial-documentary-sold-history-channel-107

Definitely gonna check that out :)

[coco]

There has been so much evidence unearthed to prove that Europeans and Asians visited America well before what school children's history texts assert. Sadly, children are still taught what is pushed as the standard, at least I was when in school. Of course the Native American Indians were the first but it seems the intrigue lies with European exploration.

Did you see the History Channel documentary about China's ancient technology? Fascinating what they invented and employed before Europe did. The doco even revealed that it was the Chinese who invented the first printing press before Gutenberg although it was rudimentary compared. The technology the Middle Easterners used well back in history is exciting as well; likewise they also invented and used marvelous things before Europe.

I'm not knocking Europe by the way but the information is illuminating as I know at least in the US we are taught almost strictly Eurocentric things when it comes to world history.

[teardropexplodes]

Nah... I don't have History Channel. They're an amazing people though.
I read a great book, 1421, which details China's pre-Columbus exploration of America! They left their own stones similar to the runestones.
There's also been a heck of a lot of evidence that Europeans visited America way back in the Palaeolithic but it's been largely ignored as it's not very politically correct ;)
"Civilisation" and the antiquity of humanity keeps getting pushed further back.
They just found a buried megalithic temple in Turkey that dates to around 10,000BC.. technically it shouldn't be there. Interesting cos the date links in with the time the Sphinx was originally carved. The guy who's excavating it has even speculated that this could be the origin of the Anunaki myth.
Then there's the 70,000 year old ritual site in Africa which was posted here.
Exciting times.

[coco]

Thanks for sharing! I just read up on the Turkey and Africa finds. Very exciting! :) Human history's story readjusted.

[the om]

I'm not sure if this is somewhere else in this thread (I don't remember seeing it, but may have missed it...), but what about Coral Castle?

http://coralcastle.com/

http://www.crystalinks.com/coralcastle.html

Its a fascinating story, no one knows how the guy built it... The most fascinating story I've heard is that he sang the stones to where they are. Like, meaning he used frequency manipulation (through singing) to move them.

[veritasvoice]

I'm not sure if this is somewhere else in this thread (I don't remember seeing it, but may have missed it...), but what about Coral Castle?

http://coralcastle.com/

http://www.crystalinks.com/coralcastle.html

Its a fascinating story, no one knows how the guy built it... The most fascinating story I've heard is that he sang the stones to where they are. Like, meaning he used frequency manipulation (through singing) to move them.

Even from a basic engineering standpoint, Coral Castle completely blows my mind. Consider this:

* Edward Leedskalnin weighed less than 100lbs; he always worked alone, mostly at night, by the light of a lantern.

* Over 28 years he single-handedly quarried and shaped 1,100 tons of oolitic limestone.

* The stones in the castle weigh on average 15 tons each.

The largest stone weighs 30 tons and the tallest stones are two monolithic stones standing 25 feet (7.6 m) high each.

If I remember right, the average stone in Stonehenge weighs 20-25 tons, with the highest being 13 feet high above the ground. (If I'm off, feel free to correct me).

* At one point, he moved the entire structure, a process that took him three years.

* The stones are fastened together without any mortar. They are simply set on top of each other using their immense weight to keep them together. However, the craftsmanship detail is so skillful that the stones are connected with such precision that no light passes through the joints.

* The eight foot tall vertical stones that make up the perimeter wall have a uniform height. Even with the passage of decades and a direct hit on August 24, 1992 by the Category 5 Hurricane Andrew, which leveled everything in the area, the stones have not shifted.

* The most famous feature is a nine-ton, 8-foot tall revolving gate. The gate is carved so precisely that it fits within a quarter of an inch of the walls on both sides. It was so well-balanced that a child could open it with the push of a single finger.

* When the gate stopping working, in order to repair it, six men and a fifty ton crane had to be utilized. Once the gate was removed, the engineers discovered how Leedskalnin had centered and balanced the nine-ton piece of rock. Leedskalnin had drilled a hole from top to bottom of the eight-foot-tall gate with no electric tools and inserted a metal shaft.

But according to skeptics, all of the above was just done by one man working with pulleys and ropes...

No other forces needed, right?

[who elsie]

Yes, the Coral Castle is a truly remarkable achievement. It seems Leedskalnin had obtained a secret knowledge from somewhere and it was clearly a secret that could not under any circumstances be shared. Otherwise, why not at least reveal some of the mystery before he died, that could maybe be of benefit to humanity.

But from who or where did this knowlwdge come from?

This revolving door is particularly impressive:

http://www.crystalinks.com/ccgate.jpg

[runciter]

Yes, the Coral Castle is a truly remarkable achievement. It seems Leedskalnin had obtained a secret knowledge from somewhere and it was clearly a secret that could not under any circumstances be shared. Otherwise, why not at least reveal some of the mystery before he died, that could maybe be of benefit to humanity.

But from who or where did this knowlwdge come from?

maybe it was something he discovered indipendently, why not.

as for the reason why he didn't reveal his secret, i really don't know.

he was a strange man, he may have had some completely personal reasons.

[who elsie]

maybe it was something he discovered indipendently, why not.

as for the reason why he didn't reveal his secret, i really don't know.

he was a strange man, he may have had some completely personal reasons.

Yes, this is possible too, but the total secrecy is puzzling. In fact it is the same kind of secrecy that is still practised by tptb (Illuminati or whatever you want to call them) that prevents us learning many of the secrets of the ancients, such as how/why/when the pyramids of Egypt were built etc. (Indeed, regarding many other aspects of our lives too)

He could have made an absolute fortune from revealing this secret. Or if that didn't interest him, why not at least leave some written records, so that others could benefit in the future? Was he really that bitter & twisted?

[runciter]

Yes, this is possible too, but the total secrecy is puzzling. In fact it is the same kind of secrecy that is still practised by tptb (Illuminati or whatever you want to call them) that prevents us learning many of the secrets of the ancients, such as how/why/when the pyramids of Egypt were built etc. (Indeed, regarding many other aspects of our lives too)

He could have made an absolute fortune from revealing this secret. Or if that didn't interest him, why not at least leave some written records, so that others could benefit in the future? Was he really that bitter & twisted?

he apparently left a clue:

Ed Leedskalnin showed every indication of being a natural geomancer, one who senses the unique telluric forces of the earth. He was highly intuitive and knew how to observe nature for signs of anomaly, ultimately leading him to the discovery of vortex energy, and the ability to harness the natural elements of magnetism. He understood the critical nature of identifying the most energetic location to erect his massive Castle, and seemed to have known the secrets of anti-gravit,y and its relation to cosmic events. Ed proceeded to develop a means of leverage power, generated from the geo-magnetic grid, and produced a system to generate anti-gravity waves. Ed Leedskalnin knew exactly what he was doing when he created his fantastic Castle.

In 1951 Ed took his secrets to the grave. The mystery of Coral Castle was never revealed. A plaque was found in Ed's bedroom that read, "The Secret to the Universe is 7129 / 6105195."

http://www.labyrinthina.com/coral.htm

(bottom of the page)

an interesting discussion on the enigmatic plaque:

http://www.unexplained-mysteries.com/forum/lofiversion/index.php/t70858.html

[who elsie]

he apparently left a clue:

A plaque was found in Ed's bedroom that read, "The Secret to the Universe is 7129 / 6105195."

Maybe that's God's mobile phone number! :D

[teardropexplodes]

Thanks for sharing! I just read up on the Turkey and Africa finds. Very exciting! :) Human history's story readjusted.

Göbekli Tepe... Had to google it cos I couldn't remember its spelling, haha.
This one site rewrites everything we're told about civilisation... when it evolved and where.
Some of the stuff posted here is ignored by the mainstream but this 12,000 year old temple is right there, carved in stone :D
THEY CAN'T IGNORE THIS MUCH LONGER!
Time to get their erasers out and order a large portion of humble pie.
This validates a lot of what "nuts" like Graham Hancock have been saying for years.
I hope they offer him an apology for the disgusting personal insults they threw his way.
Not holding my breath though.


The following is an incredibly conservative summary of its importance from Wikipedia:-


Not only its large dimensions, but the side-by-side existence of multiple pillar shrines makes the location unique. There are no comparable monumental complexes from its time. Nevalı Çori, a well-known Neolithic settlement also excavated by the German Archaeological Institute, and submerged by the Atatürk Dam since 1992, is 500 years later, its T-shaped pillars are considerably smaller, and its shrine was located inside a village; the roughly contemporary architecture at Jericho is devoid of artistic merit or large-scale sculpture; and Çatalhöyük, perhaps the most famous of all Anatolian Neolithic villages, is 2,000 years younger.

Schmidt has engaged in some speculation regarding the belief systems of the groups that created Göbekli Tepe, based on comparisons with other shrines and settlements. He assumes shamanic practices and suggests that the T-shaped pillars may represent mythical creatures, perhaps ancestors, whereas he sees a fully articulated belief in gods only developing later in Mesopotamia, associated with extensive temples and palaces. This corresponds well with an ancient Sumerian belief that agriculture, animal husbandry and weaving had been brought to mankind from the sacred mountain Du-Ku, which was inhabited by Annuna-deities, very ancient gods without individual names. Klaus Schmidt identifies this story as an oriental primeval myth that preserves a partial memory of the Neolithic.[11] It is also apparent that the animal and other images are peaceful in character and give no indication of organised violence, i.e., hunting.

At present, Göbekli Tepe raises more questions for archaeology and prehistory than it answers. We do not know how a force large enough to construct, augment, and maintain such a substantial complex was mobilized and paid or fed in the conditions of pre-Neolithic society. We cannot "read" the pictograms, and do not know for certain what meaning the animal reliefs had for visitors to the site; the variety of fauna depicted, from lions and boars to birds and insects, makes any single explanation problematic. It is not known why more and more walls were added to the interiors while the sanctuary was in use, with the result that some of the engraved pillars were obscured from view. The reason the complex was eventually buried also remains unexplained. Considering that only a fraction of the site has so far been excavated, these and other mysteries may eventually be cleared up


What else is buried beneath the sands awaiting discovery??
This culture didn't just appear, fully formed.
Anyone fancy a bit of Indiana Jones-style exploration? :D

[nihil]

Giza and Baalbeck : So precise and so huge that no-known human civilization,

from the past or actually exisiting, could recreate .

[the om]

Giza and Baalbeck : So precise and so huge that no-known human civilization,

from the past or actually exisiting, could recreate .

The Mayan temples in the Yucatan are like that too. They're actually said to mirror the pyramids at Giza.

Also, I found this thread about the numbers '7129 / 6105195' from Coral Castle:
http://www.unexplained-mysteries.com/forum/lofiversion/index.php/t70858-0.html

The people on there are suggesting some pretty solid ideas (and really delving pretty deeply into the numbers).

Peace