Ufo's!!!!

[norton]

anyone else believe that ALL UFO's are military aircraft? anyone else noticed that they seem to be getting better and better? Since the fifties the look and descriptions of the way they manouvre seems to be getting better and better?! Personally i think, if aliens were travelling around in little space ships, considering how long it would take them to travel here why do they just fly about in the sky and then bugger off again? seems like a bit of a waste of time to me.

I do believe that they were built with alien knowledge and technology but don't believe for a second that they come here to make pretty patterns in our corn fields (ok, i know for a fact ALL corn circles are man made that was a joke)! just wondering if i'm alone in hnking this

(p.s. THEY are capable of time travel, which is why ufo's can be seen in paintings and drawings from many years ago!)

[devin]

anyone else believe that ALL UFO's are military aircraft? anyone else noticed that they seem to be getting better and better? Since the fifties the look and descriptions of the way they manouvre seems to be getting better and better?! Personally i think, if aliens were travelling around in little space ships, considering how long it would take them to travel here why do they just fly about in the sky and then bugger off again? seems like a bit of a waste of time to me.

I do believe that they were built with alien knowledge and technology but don't believe for a second that they come here to make pretty patterns in our corn fields (ok, i know for a fact ALL corn circles are man made that was a joke)! just wondering if i'm alone in hnking this

(p.s. THEY are capable of time travel, which is why ufo's can be seen in paintings and drawings from many years ago!)


If these beautifully, complex crop circles are being done by a bunch of drunk hicks in the middle of the night then I'm going to get really depressed.

by the way, I saw two ufos in the night sky two nights ago.

[norton]

i'm not denying the existence of UFO's but i don't believe they are being flown about the place by little aliens with no other purpose than to freak a few people out.

i've seen many, many weird things flying about the sky (i worked 5 years in a job where i was outside in the very early hours of the morning), but what's the point in flying about our sky and not making contact?!?? (officially they haven't)

[devin]

i'm not denying the existence of UFO's but i don't believe they are being flown about the place by little aliens with no other purpose than to freak a few people out.

i've seen many, many weird things flying about the sky (i worked 5 years in a job where i was outside in the very early hours of the morning), but what's the point in flying about our sky and not making contact?!?? (officially they haven't)

maybe to just check things out, or condition us so we don't totally freak out when they make themselves known.

If they are real MY GOD do I want them to make themselves known to the entire world.

[norton]

the existence of aliens CAN'T be denied. I think any sane person would agree to that. But considering how long and how often ufo's are seen in our skies i think the time to make themsleves known has been and gone!!!! if a ufo was to land and little alien walk out, i bet most of the population would turn over to watch the football!! (joking, just saying that it's no longer going to be a total freak out situation, people are more than accustomed to ufo's and aliens).

THEY ARE ALL MILITARY AIRCRAFT!!

[whitenight639]

i think the triangle ones are man made (iv read about how they work and its feasable) and i think the circular ones are alien simple as

[punjabibeard]

either that or for some explicable reason e.t's are feeling the group urge to mingle in the psychical :o

[thetonic]

All man made , every single one of them ... Very possible that life exists elswere in the universe.. But little green men/greys /bipedal humanoid aliens?= Psychological warfare!

[neutron flux]

anyone else believe that ALL UFO's are military aircraft? anyone else noticed that they seem to be getting better and better? Since the fifties the look and descriptions of the way they manouvre seems to be getting better and better?!

I have to say that I don't think that ALL UFO's are military, and I'm not sure what data you're going on that makes you think they're getting better and better.

Personally i think, if aliens were travelling around in little space ships, considering how long it would take them to travel here why do they just fly about in the sky and then bugger off again? seems like a bit of a waste of time to me.


That's an assumption because who says it would take them a long time to get here? They could fold space somehow or use alleged wormholes to cover vast distances. In fact who says that their "home" is a 3d plane? They could be 4d in which case they would exist in a para-physical realm and enter our world at will and with little effort, utilizing technology to exist physically denser and operate.
But even if it did take them a long time to travel who says that they wouldn't live on space "arks", and they may also have extended life spans to us.

(ok, i know for a fact ALL corn circles are man made that was a joke)!

You can't seriously think that Doug and Dave down the pub made those intricate patterns with a couple of planks of wood, do you?

The whole UFO scenario is full of smoke and mirrors with in some cases carefully planted details such as back in 1980 Budd Hopkins wrote a book called "Missing Time" and the Gray alien scenario was "leaked". Whitley Strieber's alien books, including "Communion", followed a few yers after. Prior to the publication of these books, the ubiquitous "Grays" had never been seen before. Review the history of "contact" cases and it will show that the type and variety and behaviour of "aliens" around the world were quite different across the board. But, along came Budd,followed by Whitley and his glaring alien on the cover, and suddenly the Grays were everywhere.

As a side note, something else appeared in 1980, and that was a book co-written by Michelle Smith and Lawrence Pazder called "Michelle Remembers" all about SRA and caused quite a panic in America. The book was published as fact but turned out to be a hoax and this relates to the fact that in 1969, teams within the CIA were running bizarre experiments in mind control under the name Operation Often. In addition to normal assortment of chemists, biologists, and convention scientists, they employed psychics and experts in demonology.

It was in the mid-seventies that allegations of satanic cults began to emerge which exploded with Michelle remembers in 1980.

I'm not saying that alien abductions or SRA don't happen, because they do - it just seems it's smoke and mirrors all the way.

[auron]

but what's the point in flying about our sky and not making contact?!?? (officially they haven't)
They've made contact with me. :D

[spacegurl]

I have to say that I don't think that ALL UFO's are military, and I'm not sure what data you're going on that makes you think they're getting better and better.

No not all UFO's are military but many unusual craft probably is. Most people have no idea what flights are being tested. Some of them are scientific. Others are normal events in the sky that most people interprate as alien because they're not trained to view things like that.


That's an assumption because who says it would take them a long time to get here? They could fold space somehow or use alleged wormholes to cover vast distances. In fact who says that their "home" is a 3d plane? They could be 4d in which case they would exist in a para-physical realm and enter our world at will and with little effort, utilizing technology to exist physically denser and operate.

You're the one making a big assumption. I'm not denying life elsewhere in the universe but to suggest an alien race is coming here folding space and time is fantasy. Just accept that UFO's is more than likely not aliens from another galaxy.

You can't seriously think that Doug and Dave down the pub made those intricate patterns with a couple of planks of wood, do you?


Crop circles are not paranormal or made by walkers from the local pub. Those elaborate shapes you see in the fields are caused by technology aided by a high altitude satellite.

I'm not saying that alien abductions or SRA don't happen, because they do -

No they don't, there is no evidence for them. It only happens in the peoples imagination.

[punjabibeard]

They've made contact with me. :D

teach you how to roll a better spliff did they auron? :rolleyes:

[neutron flux]

No not all UFO's are military but many unusual craft probably is. Most people have no idea what flights are being tested. Some of them are scientific. Others are normal events in the sky that most people interprate as alien because they're not trained to view things like that.


Probably isn't definitely. They seem to perform these tests in the most bizarre places, usually in public, which is rather strange. And they do it rather often. Worldwide.

You're the one making a big assumption. I'm not denying life elsewhere in the universe but to suggest an alien race is coming here folding space and time is fantasy. Just accept that UFO's is more than likely not aliens from another galaxy

I prefer to accept that it could be both due to the data.

The trouble I have with the whole scenario being a human phenomena is the fact that if the government is behind all the abductions etc, surely they would have screwed up in the 45+ years and we would know that fallible human beings were doing it. The fact that not one single incident, not one single abduction, not one purported kidnapping event has resulted in a screw up that led to anyone seeing the "man behind the curtain", not one.

I'm expected to believe that the US government can pull off an enterprise of this kind, with evidence of world-wide activity, for over 50 years, involving possibly millions of individuals, the logistics of which make the machinations of WW2 look like planning for a picnic. Sorry, I can't buy that.

[auron]

teach you how to roll a better spliff did they auron? :rolleyes:
Nah. I make em better than they do.

[siliconpsychosis]

You may like to check out Mac Tonnies at http://www.mactonnies.com/

Amongst other things, Tonnies suggests that many Ufo abductions are faked by aliens that are on planet Earth already, as a way to divert our attention away from them. I presume this principle would apply to Ufos too and the idea that they are faked by aliens already here.

Interesting idea I think.

He mentions something about the rooms that abductees are taken too, as being described by some people as a rush job. That items have been placed in a hurry, as if the abducters are placing props.

And as for the examinations, would aliens really need to physically probe human bodies. Maybe this is all part of an act. Aliens faking the kind of abduction humans would imagine happening.

If you were an alien already on Earth, possibly residing in a human body, faking Ufos and alien abductions would be an effective way to divert peoples attention away from yourself. Control the media too and a steady flow of alien out there invasion movies, spanning decades, and the human race will never look in the right places.

So yes I do think some Ufos are not human military inventions. They may be alien holographic illusions.

[them]

We've sent our own UFOs out into interstellar space.

http://www2.jpl.nasa.gov/basics/bsf9-2c.gif

http://space.newscientist.com/data/images/ns/cms/dn9173/dn9173-1_600.jpg
There is an ultra-pure sample of the isotope uranium-238 electroplated on the record's cover. Uranium-238 has a half-life of 4.51 billion years. It is possible that a civilization that encounters the record will be able to use the ratio of remaining uranium to daughter elements to determine the age of the record.

The most stupid object our race has put into space so far is the - Here we are - come and eat us - plaque..
http://ffden-2.phys.uaf.edu/212_fall2003.web.dir/Brian_Herold/Pictures/plaque.jpg

[synergy777]

http://www.mystae.com/restricted/streams/scripts/watchers.html

The Sons of God

(1) The Sumerian Watchers

"...Man and his early civilizations had a profoundly different mentality from our own, that in fact men and women were not conscious as are we, were not responsible for their actions, and therefore cannot be given the credit or blame for anything that was done over these vast millennia of time; that instead each person had a part of his nervous system that was divine, by which he was ordered about like any slave, a voice or voices which indeed were what we call volition and empowered what they commanded and were related to the hallucinated voices of others in a carefully established hierarchy."

"...The astonishing consistency from Egypt to Peru, from Ur to Yucatan, wherever civilizations arose, of death practices and idolatry, of divine government and hallucinated voices, all are witness to the idea of a different mentality than our own."

"The gods were in no sense 'figments of the imagination' of anyone. They were man's volition. They occupied his nervous system, probably his right hemisphere, and from stores of admonitory and receptive experience, transmuted this experience into articulated speech which then 'told' the man what to do."

"Throughout Mesopotamia, from the earliest times of Sumer and Akkad, all lands were owned by gods and men were their slaves. Of this, the cuneiform texts leave no doubt whatever. Each city-state had its own principal god, and the king was described in the very earliest written documents that we have as 'the tenant farmer of the god'."
- Julian Jaynes, The Origin of Consciousness in the Breakdown of the Bicameral Mind

"... The Akkadians called their predecessors Shumerians, and spoke of the Land of Shumer.
"It was, in fact, the biblical Land of Shin'ar. It was the land whose name - Shumer - literally meant the Land of the Watchers. It was indeed the Egyptian Ta Neter - Land of the Watchers, the land from which the gods had come to Egypt."
- Zecharia Sitchin, The Stairway to Heaven

"It was from that planet [Nibiru], the Sumerian texts repeatedly and persistently stated, that the Anunnaki came to Earth. The term literally means 'Those Who from Heaven to Earth Came.' They are spoken of in the Bible as the Anakim, and in Chapter 6 of Genesis are also call Nefilim, which in Hebrew means the same thing: Those Who Have Come Down, from the Heavens to Earth."
- Zecharia Sitchin, Genesis Revisited

"The Anakim may have been Mycenaean Greek colonists, belonging to the 'Sea Peoples' confederation which caused Egypt such trouble in the fourteenth century B.C. Greek mythographers told of a Giant Anax ('king'), son of Heaven and Mother Earth, who ruled Anactoria (Miletus) in Asia Minor. According to Appollodorus, the disinterred skeleton of Asterius ('starry'), Anax's successor, measured ten cubits. Akakes, the plural of Nanx, was an epithet of the Greek gods in general. Talmudic commentators characteristically make the Anakim three thousand cubits tall."
- Robert Graves and Raphael Patai, Hebrew Myths: The Book of Genesis

(2) The Egyptian Ntr

There is archaeological evidence of a strong cultural connection between Sumer and ancient Egypt.

"Ptah and the other gods were called, in Egyptian, Ntr - 'Guardian, Watcher'."
- Zecharia Sitchin, The Wars of Gods and Men

During the fabled "First Time, Zep Tepi, when the gods ruled in their country: they said it was a golden age during which the waters of the abyss receded, the primordial darkness was banished, and humanity, emerging into the light, was offered the gifts of civilization. They spoke also of intermediaries between gods and men - the Urshu, a category of lesser divinities whose title meant 'the Watchers'. And they preserved particularly vivid recollections of the gods themselves, puissant and beautiful beings called the Neteru who lived on earth with humankind and exercised their sovereignty from Heliopolis and other sanctuaries up and down the Nile. Some of these Neteru were male and some female but all possessed a range of supernatural powers which included the ability to appear, at will, as men or women, or as animals, birds, reptiles, trees or plants. Paradoxically, their words and deeds seem to have reflected human passions and preoccupations. Likewise, although they were portrayed as stronger and more intelligent than humans, it was believed that they could grow sick - or even die, or be killed - under certain circumstance."
- Graham Hancock, Fingerprints of the Gods

3) Bene Elohim

Note that plural gods elohim' appears in the earliest Hebrew texts, even though it is translated as God (El) in modern texts.

"...The sons of gods (bene ha-elohim') saw the daughters of men that they were fair..."
- Genesis 6:2a

"The sons of God (or children of God; 'bene elohim' and variants) are divine members of God's heavenly host...The title 'sons/children of God' is familiar from Ugaritic mythology, in which the gods collectively are the 'children of El'...The sons/children of God are also found in Phoenician and Ammonite inscriptions, referring to the pantheon of sub-ordinate deities, indicating that the term was widespread in the West Semitic religions."
- Oxford Companion to the Bible

4) The Apocryphal Tradition

Ca. 150 B.C.E., the author of 1 Enoch wrote of his spell-binding journey to heaven where he saw angels and their glory.

"And these are the names of the holy angels who watch. Uriel, one of the holy angels, who is over the world and over Tartarus. Raphael, one of the holy angels, who is over the spirits of men. Raguel, one of the holy angels who takes vengeance on the world of the luminaries. Michael, one of the holy angels, to wit, he that is set over the best part of mankind and over chaos. Saraqael, one of the holy angels, who is set over the spirits, who sin in the spirit. Gabriel, one of the holy angels, who is over Paradise and the serpents and the Cherubim. Remiel, one of the holy angels, whom God set over those who rise."
- 1 Enoch 20:1-8

Essene proselytes swore to "preserve the books belonging to their sect, and the names of the angels." (Flavius Josephus, Wars of the Jews, Bk 2, Ch 8, Sn 7). The First Book of Enoch was the first piece of Jewish literature to describe a class of angels, the Watchers, who are positively evil and who lead the dead to a place of eternal torment.

"And all the angels shall execute their commandst
And shall seek to hide themselves from the presence of the Great Glory,
And the children of earth shall tremble and quake;
And ye sinners shall be cursed for ever,
And ye shall have no peace."
- 1 Enoch 102:3


Thule
Did the ancients descend from God-like extraterrestrials? Accounts from ancient literature around the world


so who is right bible/enoch/flavius or sitchin/thule/elite ?

[synergy777]

punjabi beard, fryer is it you bro?

[foreverspirit]

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ETs and Ancient Astronauts are Illuminati Propaganda

article extracted from Truth Campaign issue 25 with additional material

Foreword by Ivan Fraser



Over the last 30 years or so there has been increasing interest in the 'ancient astronaut' thesis. Although this fascination with 'real' alien visitors essentially hit mainstream consciousness with the works of Erik Von Daniken and Zecharia Sitchin, the population has been mentally prepared for the aliens since the beginning of the 20th century by science-fiction in books, comics, movies and tv shows. It is so innate to our collective psyche today that there are very few who do not relate the idea of UFOs to extra-terrestrial beings, and have an immediate mental image of the 'greys' and the similar spindly beings of Spielberg's Close Encounters, or Whitley Streiber's Communion, as their archetypal representation of these same off-world entities.

Today there are numerous TV documentaries asking the questions about whether or not we are being visited by extra-terrestrial beings, and countless books and websites promoting 'the truth' about our alien co-inhabitees of the universe. Furthermore, any amount of New Age psychics and channellers are also preaching 'the word' as 'given to them' by ET cousins.

Given that the universe is such a massive place, and given that there is so much material and evidence for ETs and their activities, isn't it verging on insanity to suggest that there may actually be another reason entirely for such things? How can all of these experiences, books, scholars, and even currently a growing number of scientists and government 'insiders' be mistaken?

Well, one could summarize that briefly, and one would make no impact on a mind that has already taken the view expressed above. But I would sincerely hope that as it takes an open mind to accept such conventionally outlandish ideas as alien visitation, the reader would try and remain equally open-minded, in assessing the contents of what follows.

'But we've read a thousand books on the subject. There is no doubt. Even if they aren't all entirely accurate, one thing's for sure - the common element - and that is ETs exist and they are visiting this planet, have been for centuries, and probably have an agenda for our future.'

To suggest otherwise is heresy. Right?

At least it is increasingly so these days. Ever wondered about that; how something so suppressed and 'true' should be so increasingly accepted by the mainstream, when all along we have been told that 'they' don't want us to know this?

What if such a mindset has been engineered? What if it is being designed in such a way that the entire alien visitor scenario is what the powers-that-be WANT us to replace our religions and belief systems with?

But why? Surely there's a history of government and Intel suppression of this information? They wouldn't hide and suppress what they want us to believe would they?

Well, yes. Firstly, they aren't hiding it! They are steadily creating an air of mystery and allowing us to come to the very conclusions that we are. It's reverse psychology really. And the Illuminati know all about how to control mass mentality.

If all this was so secret, do you really think that all these 'insiders' would still be free and on talk shows, in magazines, and books spreading this top-secret material, having signed national security agreements? Would there be so much availability of this supposedly 'secret' subject in mainstream media? The same media that clearly manages to heavily suppress and distort most of the other material that concerns those in the 'conspiracy' area.

Why, if history shows us that the first UFO organisations that were accusing the CIA and governments of covering up the truth of alien visitors, were actually CIA and government agents, should we believe that suddenly, today, everything they told us was true?

The earliest pro-ET lobbyists were organisations such as NICAP (the National Investigations Committee on Aerial Phenomena), which were riddled with former military and Intelligence personnel, such as Donald Keyhoe, a former Pentagon Major involved in investigating the German UFO technology during WW2, Roscoe Hillenkoetter a former CIA director, and several CIA Psychological Warfare Division personnel, such as Joseph Bryan etc. These are the people who, from the outset of the ET myth, were actively creating it!

And why should the CIA and governments have been so interested in ploughing energy into creating UFO groups and cults, if what they say is true? Clearly there's something big belying this agenda, and it certainly is not what those agents told us was going on. The one thing we can be damned sure of is that it isn't alien visitation.

For decades following WW2, the major aeronautics companies such as Boeing and Lockheed, were engaged in the development of saucer-shaped craft (this really took off, excuse the pun, after 1957) . These craft, and more conventional, though secret, craft were being tested; U2 spyplanes, and others were being mobilized, and the CIA had found a way to confuse the Soviets, and the general populace, by hiding these craft in plain sight. Eye-witnesses' stories were spun into tales of extraterrestrial encounters, the news media and magazines like Time and Life had stories planted by the CIA, wherein 'anonymous' government and intelligence sources were 'spilling the beans' on extraterrestrial visitation in saucer-shaped craft. CIA groups like NICAP (subliminally, this rearranges into PANIC!) were lobbying furiously in public and gathering a pro-ET following, actively accusing the government of covering up ET visitation. On the other side of the equation, the government and military were continually officially denying the entire UFO-ET connection, thereby giving the populace the impression that it was 'hiding the truth' about the extraterrestrial visitors.

Later, solitary eye-witnesses would be sometimes abducted and false memories and crude chip devices implanted, so that they would become star witnesses and prophets in an ever-growing new religion of extraterrestrial close encounter-based cultism. The development of ET-based cults was largely a blowback from the disinformation exercise, wherein those of a religious disposition would find other avenues to receive their saviours and satisfy their need for a 'higher power'. Other cult groups would be actively created and encouraged, such as those following the Council of Nine - a council of 9 gods channelled through 'chosen ones' - chosen ones chosen and tutored under the wing of Andrija Puharich, a psychologist formerly (?) part of the CIA's MK-ULTRA mind-control project, specialising in developing drug, radio and hypnotic methods to implant signals directly into the brain!

Despite the technicalities of Mind Control, advanced engineering etc. this really is a simple swindle - although the simplest swindles are often the most effective. The governments and the Intelligence agencies are operating at a high level in concert - the one side denying the position of the other, but both acting by admission or omission to promote in the minds of the public the 'overwhelming evidence' that ETs are visiting Earth in UFOs. It is a swindle that has been sustained for the last half a century. Why mess with a winning formula?

Why do so many people, even those well-versed in UFO lore, not know that the alien stories ORIGINATED in the Intelligence community, when they are also being told BY THE SAME community that the Intel and Govt. arena is deliberately HIDING these truths?

What kind of mental gymnastics does it take to accept that the government is hiding the truth, whilst relying on their agents FOR the information about ETs and UFOs?

The answer is simple: our minds and opinions are being manipulated AWAY from the truth by simple sleight-of-hand magicians' tricks. Whilst we are all looking at the interesting and enthralling spectacle, we are missing the real action, and failing to notice the simple way the deception is achieved. In doing so, we are continually speculating about all manner of conspiracies and hidden technologies, as well as occult realities that vested interests certainly do not want us delving into.

Why are so many authors performing these same mental gymnastics and writing books that expose the Illuminati conspiracy whilst giving one of their conspiracies as reason behind the agenda? If we take the work of David Icke, for example, he has written thousands of pages exposing the Illuminati, but underpins it entirely with Zecharia Sitchin's erroneous and fantastical interpretations of ancient history - the evidence for which is given below. At the same time, Icke claims Sitchin to be a disinformant, as well as claiming that he has attended sacrificial Illuminati rituals in which he transformed into a reptilian. If Sitchin is one of the bad guys then why is he telling the truth about the ETs? I don't believe - as has been rumoured - that Icke is himself a deliberate disinformant, but I do believe that Icke has much to do to re-evaluate his books and understand how much of what he writes comes from disinformation sources (as I pointed out, even from sources he himself identifies as unreliable). It's no use relying on one or two authors to give you the basis of an entire all-encompassing thesis, and relying on cross-referencing authors that all sing from the same hymn sheet, unless you have done enough research into that subject yourself and can understand it sufficiently to be able to decide that those authors are actually properly representing the topic. One can read a hundred books all telling the same story and believe one is well-read in that field, and adopt that version as one's belief system. Icke is merely one example, and perhaps the most popular, of those authors and lecturers who appear to provide a massive amount of evidence and references for their theses, when in fact they are merely replicating work of a handful of other authors who share the commonalities that fit where the author wishes to 'come from'.

The above is merely one example of how the Intelligence community set information sources against each other, providing various 'angles' on a subject to fit the reader's particular mindset, but always keeping the common factor the same. Icke, like most people, works on the basis of documenting 'commonalities', and often points out that although there are many versions of the same story, it is the 'common interconnecting themes' inherent in his documentation that are the evidence for the verity of his explanations. However, creating many 'versions' of disinformation is an integral part of the manipulation. Creating 200 variants on who, why and what, the aliens are, gives people apparent choice as to which version to believe, or whether to synthesise their own version. BUT, it isn't the one version of the scenario that the Intel community are trying to implant (at least not yet), it is merely that the people will accept the CENTRAL THEME - that is the Aliens. They provide a data-hungry audience with a jigsaw puzzle and 'challenge' them to put it together, but they remove key pieces. So the intrepid researcher nearly always ends up piecing together the picture that 'they' want him to, but usually with subtle variations on the central theme. Then, later, other authors rely on such ideas as the basis of their own, but tend to wish to take it a step further, to be a bit cleverer, more insightful, than the last. And so the myths develop many tentacles, whereas the main body remains the central and unifying factor. Of course, that central unifying factor was false to begin with, but given time, nobody bothers to check out the deductions that led to the original idea in the first place; and what we are left with is a hundred and one variations on an erroneous theme, such as found in religions and New Age beliefs. Even science and history all come down to us built upon the dogmas of our forebears. It builds up like an inverted triangle. Of those who do decide to look at things from the first principle and get to the root of the thing, most are overwhelmed by the task at hand because they spend so much time sifting through the very works of those spin-off authors and find the original documentation to be rare, out of print, or whatever, and that it's still tempting to just go along with one of the pre-prepared theories already in existence.

I am no exception to this. As a researcher, I understand how easy it is to get caught up in the red herrings, and how difficult, time-consuming and expensive it is to verify data and explore theories from the bottom up, rather than simply accept the words of others who appear to have done all the work for you. But with each passing week, I am becoming ever more aware of just how much information that is available on these subjects has simply been collated and BELIEVED without being checked out, and have become enormously popular ideas amongst those that consume them as readers. If only the readers knew how much material out there is simply unreliable, and how much these authors only appear to have researched it for themselves, and how many people set themselves up as authorities whilst having merely a smattering of knowledge on their subject, I think the sales of books, seminars and lectures by these personalities would plummet.

People are being groomed en masse into cults of personalities of authors and lecturers pontificating about aliens and conspiracies and ascended masters and all sorts of shallow material, whilst being entirely unaware that they are being so manipulated. They have been told, therefore believe, that the personality will reveal so much, and they trust that the author or presenter has thoroughly examined the subject. But nine times out of ten, the author is merely dressing up their own belief system in apparently new clothes, from the very material that created their belief system and cult mentality in the first place. The authors often do not realise they are wrong, and that their truth is a belief-system, and so usually begin proceedings by telling their audience that they are against religion and cults and orthodoxy etc. And the audience is impressed by that, finds a kindred sceptic in their preferred source, and ends up becoming a part of an alternative belief system that believes it is now free and onto 'the truth', rather than being one of 'them', a 'straight' or an 'unawakened' or 'unenlightened' one. It all serves to make the New Age and alternative conspiracy community feel rather special.

Again, I do not divorce myself from this phenomenon. I too am at the mercy of my sources, and I too feel I have an important message for people to consider. I believe in the verity of what I believe and provide reason and evidence. Which is why I am always at pains to ask people to think for themselves and try and verify any information provided by me or anyone else. All I try and do is make sense of things as best I can and put it up for consideration. Authors, researchers, lecturers, presenters, journalists, scholars etc. are all readers too; not necessarily as wise or knowledgeable as they may appear, no matter how many pages they churn out. I've met many people who have never written an article or a book who are far more knowledgeable about such things than many recognised authors on certain topics. And yet, it is these recognised characters who are fast becoming the new authorities and priests of the new breed of New Age and related cultic movements. And most of them are singing from the same sheet. So there's little difference really, and the reader's choice is largely an illusion. Just as for centuries the West was divided fundamentally into Catholics and Protestants, and few thought to consider that there may be an alternative to Christianity in the first place, so too today there are increasingly many people who are failing to consider that there may be an alternative to the ET central core theme.

For many the issue is settled, and no amount of scepticism or 'debunking' will convince them otherwise.

If a host of cults and belief systems can be created now, it is only a matter of wheeling out the advanced technology and a bunch of 'experts' later to unite those diverse believers into a unified belief system. If all of those pre-prepared believers believe in the common theme of aliens, the process should be fairly easy. The rest of the herd will go along with it too, because who isn't going to believe a fly-by of UFO craft, combined with news footage of alien artefacts and accredited experts stating that 'we now know scientifically that ETs are visiting Earth', whilst on the other channel are a bunch of experts on ancient writings showing how the ancient texts tell us that these beings have been here for millennia, busily telling us that pictures of old art and symbolism are really spacecraft and alien life-forms? The newspapers will be full of this most amazing revelation of the age - the headlines will be unavoidable. Suddenly, everything will make sense to the man in the street, who is prone to believing anything an 'expert' tells him, and will promptly rush out and buy as many Icke, Sitchin and related books as he can find. Everything he reads in those books will reinforce the evidence he has been given and he will never think to question or look for himself. He will wonder why he never 'got it' in the first place and will bow to the superiority of all those at whom he scoffed in the past, and they will gladly provide him with everything he needs to know.

Oh the joy that will be felt around the world, when finally everyone joins the new reality and is 'awakened'. But those pesky religious types will need sorting out for the greater good of all, of course! The heretics and infidels of the old ways, those pagans and heathens who cannot understand or accept the clear Truth!

Hang on, where have I heard that before? Why am I put in mind of the Inquisition, the witchtrials and the various religious purges of the last few thousand years?

Don't assume it won't happen, because it always did before, and there's no reason to suspect that in time to come this new religion will not be exactly the same foundation for intolerance and mass mind control as those that preceded it.

Another author to influence the conspiracy and New Age community with his own version of the ET mythos, William Cooper, realised a few years before his death that he had been used in a clever scam - to convince people that aliens were visiting Earth, manipulating people through a network of conspiratorial organisations that the Earth's governments were colluding with. But still, today, his book Behold A Pale Horse remains a widely-quoted script for the 'exposure' of the ET agenda. How many people realise that only several years after releasing that book, Cooper retracted the whole alien connection? Not only that, but many books have since been based upon this book, such as David Icke's Robot's Rebellion and its follow-up works, that maintain the exact same basis as the cornerstone of the world view represented therein. Like myself, he made the transition and broke away from the mould of the community he was essentially part of. He wasn't afraid to let go of his beliefs and dogmas and tell things as he saw them. I recommend that the reader also reads MAJESTYTWELVE by Bill Cooper.

ETs sell books - but as experience has shown me, giving the alternative, no matter how reasonable or well-referenced, does not attract much attention. It is exciting and stimulating to consider that the sci-fi we grew up with as children may actually be true. The more sensational and outlandish, the more promises that 'this book reveals more' than the others, the more people will buy them. The bigger the lie, the more people will believe it. And the Illuminati know this all too well.

We have come so far now down the ET road that the mass belief has become a NEW RELIGION; one rejected as such by its adherents. It is a belief that is now 'the truth' to so many people. Such adherents - like members of all cults - do not consider their own beliefs to be cultic or religious. How can the 'truth' be 'religion'?

We are not infallible. We can not be expected to know everything. We are ALL at the mercy of our sources, and we take on faith the accuracy of their data. If you want to find the truth in anything, never be afraid of re-evaluating your beliefs.

This conspiracy to replace the old gods and revise history with swathes of extra-terrestrial beings and introduce a new religion for a new scientific age, is so stealthy, so ingrained and so vast that I do not blame anyone for accepting such scenarios as 'the truth'. Indeed, several years ago, I too would have offered the ancient astronaut hypothesis as the most likely candidate to explain any number of mysteries and conventionally-inexplicable phenomena. Yes, I too have read these books and been fascinated since early childhood with the idea of alien visitation; many a time I have gazed at the night skies for hours in the hope that I would witness a UFO. And yes, on a few occasions I have seen them!

Towards the late 1990s I began to find many answers to those same questions that create alien beliefs, that had nothing to do with ETs. I either had to keep my own mind open and accept that I may have been wrong - which the new data showed me was the case - or I could have remained cocooned in a belief system, and used 'the aliens are responsible' as a convenient answer to those very anomalies and mysteries.

I spoke to many people who were primarily interested in UFO and alien research, and none were aware of the data I was starting to collate, and none were able to provide answers or give as reasonable an explanation for the phenomena we were discussing. That situation has not changed.

'But aren't you just a sceptic? There are loads of debunkers who just either haven't seen all the data or are misinformationists.'

Good question, and a very common one. There are simple sceptics that take the conventional views and ridicule alternative free-thinking. I am certainly not one of them. Anyone familiar with my work will know that I have spent many years experiencing and investigating occultism, the paranormal, psychism, and of late science and history of 'unexplained' phenomena. I have always advocated such research and always accepted as normal the reality of multiple dimensions, psychic phenomena, inter-dimensional communication, and have always leaned towards the New Age modes of thought. But I have always remained sceptical of claims that I have not explored in sufficient detail for myself.

And yes, there are many debunkers and sceptics who offer the shallowest of debunking material and deserve to be discredited. However, just as Intel have agents in the field putting these alien stories into circulation, they also have a lot of those opposing that same material. This is deliberate, in order that the debunkers can be themselves debunked by the UFO community, and thereby give greater credence to the alien agenda. It is not because official sources and debunkers are bad at obscuring the truth about alien visitation that they never provide credible explanations for the UFO reports, it is because they are supposed to make such a hash of it that the average researcher or reader will feel that they have the opposition 'sussed', which reinforces their belief in the alien agenda and that the government/Intel/Illuminati are trying to keep it 'hushed up'.

People naturally feel rather chuffed when they believe they have outsmarted the opposition. This reinforces a belief system splendidly. The Illuminati know that, and they are a lot cleverer than the vast majority of us!

It is not for me to tell anyone what or how to believe, nor to impose my own beliefs on anyone else, but on this matter I do implore those readers who now wish to reject outright the following material, to read on. You may have read a thousand books on the following subjects and NEVER been presented with the data below; even if you believe you have read just about everything going and are convinced that this is a closed subject.

If you believe that ETs are visiting planet Earth, that they founded civilisation, have an agenda for mankind or that they are merely benevolent 'watchers' of mankind (or all the above), THINK AGAIN! That's what you are SUPPOSED to believe, as far as I am concerned. I believe you have been fooled. Accept that or not, but from what I have gathered over the years, that is my firm belief. Do not reject it outright as 'but that's just your belief', but examine the data and the reasoning behind it, and decide for yourself what makes sense.

The mechanics of the inter-dimensional mind is such that it is very difficult to escape belief systems. The collective unconscious is a swarming mass of archetypes and ideas that affect us perpetually. Unless we can learn to separate the external influence of the sea of energy around us from the mind that lies within us, and truly think for ourselves, we are easily victims of those who know how to manipulate the information coming into our heads and minds through the five senses, as well as the occult fields.

What is actually being hidden from plain sight by the programming of people to see 'aliens' where they are not, is profound! Real technology, NOT back-engineered alien technology, but real technology based on physics that is over 100 years old which has been obscured and written out of the text books - if it ever managed to sneak into them at all, that is. The same physics that lies behind the engineering of flying discs is also that which would provide free and clean power. And that same physics works on principles that also explain many other so-called mysteries or 'paranormal phenomena'. No wonder it is hidden!

The science we see on show today is over 50 years behind that which exists in secret.

Concurrently, the cover-stories are being used to create a new religion that replaces and brings together the other out-dated religions, much as Christianity did 2000 years ago. Steadily, it was manufactured out of diverse religious sources across the Roman empire, and used to control those people of other religions with a 'one size fits all' Catholic one. The consequences of which have been a disaster for mankind - eons of mental and spiritual slavery, as well as the cause of genocides. Religion is the ideal tool of control, and currently 'the ETs' are the racing cert for being the basis of the next biggie.

People are already being condescended to and even ridiculed in websites and magazines for not believing in the aliens. They are already becoming a new generation of HERETICS. It won't be too long before we start to see a more sinister mentality growing in the 'believers', as extremist factions begin to form and the course of the new religion inevitably takes the same one as that of the other main religions of history.

Are you honest enough and courageous enough to reconsider deeply held beliefs and realities? Or are you convinced that the ETs are out there and they are coming and no amount of 'debunking' will convince you otherwise?

It's your choice. I wish you well in whatever view you take.

The bigger the lie, the more people will believe it. If you know the truth, then you cannot be taken in by the lie. However, if you believe lies, then all you will find is evidence to reinforce the illusion. The only solution is a truly open mind, a willingness to shed one's dogmas no matter how dearly cherished, and absolute honesty.



The following, albeit lengthy, compilation of articles merely scratch the surface of the matter at hand. The subject is worthy of at least several volumes of books, as there are so many interrelated topics to consider.

In my own comments, I have drawn on the work of Prof. L A Waddell to explain some of the historical data of ancient Sumer. Most readers may be familiar with Waddell through the recent works of David Icke. In my view, Icke has done a great service in explaining the intricacies of the Illuminati agenda, but has made the fundamental error of combining Waddell's work with that of Sitchin to create a hybridised false version of history, and used that false history as the entire basis of his current world view. In Waddell's history there are no extraterrestrials - and to the ancients the only extra-terrestrials were the heavenly bodies, and these became the 'gods and the watchers and teachers of mankind. They were often humanized (albeit supernaturally so) or expressed in totemic animal form or hybrids of both. But the ancients did not recognise the concept of alien beings riding in ships from outer space and interacting with mankind! Waddell does indeed need to be tempered with data from other fields - especially in the region of ancient mythology, which he sometimes confused for real history despite his invaluable insights into this field. He failed to realise the full extent to which ancient historical characters became fused with cultural mythologies, and where the origins of these mythologies lay. Almost inevitably, such characters became fused in cultural histories with archetypes of ancient mythology based around the cycles of nature, ancient astronomy etc. I do not go into these elements below, but urge the reader to look at the work of Acharya S, Gerald Massey etc. to see where these mythologies derived from and how.

One MUST study comparative mythology to understand the meaning behind the stories that are today being passed off as tales of ancient extraterrestrials. One CANNOT rely on the accuracy of the likes of Sitchin and Icke to portray these myths as they were understood by their creators. If one studies for oneself the same mythologies presented throughout the globe, one finds that there are many different versions of the same myths that clearly do not even hint at extraterrestrials, but instead reveal an early form of scientific explanation of natural phenomena using that which was visible and observed by the ancients as similes.

Ivan Fraser


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Refuting Zecharia Sitchin's Ancient Astronauts and Planet X Theses

updated article taken from The Truth Campaign magazine issue 25

I really don’t want to belabour the point re Sitchin and Planet X etc. but for the fact that these kinds of theories have taken such a dramatic hold of so many people’s views on the ancients and impact upon their views of the present and future (doomsday prophecies etc). Currently, the most popular doomsday prophecy doing the rounds is the Planet X theory, which basically states that a rogue planet with a massive orbit will be returning in 2003 to cause catastrophe on Earth. This theory has developed over the years and is first to be found in the works of Zecharia Sitchin.

While there are so many people quoting the ‘Sumerian texts’ straight from Sitchin, or indirectly from the other sources who have also directly or indirectly replicated his bizarre interpretations, I feel we cannot simply ignore the impact this one man has had on the entire New Age movement. More importantly, we must consider the very real implications for our future if this revisionist movement continues at the pace it is going.

Amongst the popular authors who have used erroneous material from Sitchin are Graham Hancock and Robert Beauval, who relied on Sitchin’s assertion that the Great Pyramid at Giza had no evidence within it to show it was built in the 3rd millennium BC. They took him at his word that essential data – an inscription inside the pyramid relating to Khufu – was actually a later piece of fraudulent graffiti. Fortunately, Hancock has now assessed this himself and agrees that the inscription is of Khufu and it does prove that the pyramid was constructed no earlier than Khufu’s reign.

Another author – whose current theories regarding an extraterrestrial race seeding manipulating bloodlines in the ancient world are built upon Sitchin’s ideas – is David Icke. Icke has recently written two very popular books based on this theory and has in the process contaminated the superb work of Prof. L A Waddell with the disinformation of Sitchin. Again, the average reader is unlikely to have the knowledge-base with which to deconstruct the kind of mess which Icke has created of history by combining good source material with disinformation.

I too am guilty of accepting Sitchin’s translations at face value and used some of them in my earlier work. Like many others, I had read the superlative commendations about Sitchin’s scholarship and had not yet looked outside of Sitchin and Alford’s Gods of the New Millennium at the wide range of sources concerning the Sumerians that are available. So I do sympathise with other readers and researchers who have also fallen naively into the same trap. I am also grateful for Sitchin’s work, which initially stimulated my interest in the Sumerians, and gave me so many insights into how history and texts can be manipulated and mislead millions of people.

contd: http://www.ivanfraser.com/articles/conspiracies/etagenda.html:cool:

[harris999]

One explanation might be... Think of it from the aliens point of view, to them we are just another species of life on the planet, to them we are no differenent from a cow, or a fish. Why bother "contacting" us? if they are so technologicaly advanced, then our technoledgy and buildings, might be to them, no more better than a beaver who builds a dam and such.

Another explanation is, (which i beleive to be more true) is that the ETs have some kind of "deal" with our governments, to not let themselves known to the general public.

I've been reading and watching a few videos about underground bases in america, where they let the ETs do grotesque experiments on human beings, in return for the ETs to remain hidden from the general public, and some of their advanced knwoledge and such. I'm undecided about that tho.

Another explanation may be, is that they are already among us! and that by showing themselves thier worried that they might freak people out, or maybe they like to stay hidden. Some say that human being were to result of an alien experiment, maybe, their just watching us and studying us. Much like a laboritist (spelling?) watches bacteria under a microscope.

There are hundreds of possibilities as to what UFO are, and why they are here, and to why the remain hidden from the general public. And none of them can be dismissed untill we know for sure.

[edit]

sory for my english, but..

Before you even think - you might BE there...? eg. at.. Orion etc.. >

posted: 08 October 2007
01:46 pm ET
Famous Orion Nebula Closer Than Thought
By SPACE.com Staff (http://www.space.com/scienceastronomy/071008-orion-distance.html)
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Another explanation is, (which i beleive to be more true) is that the ETs have some kind of "deal" with our governments, to not let themselves known to the general public.

[thetonic]

We've sent our own UFOs out into interstellar space.

http://www2.jpl.nasa.gov/basics/bsf9-2c.gif


[CENTER]The most stupid object our race has put into space so far is the - Here we are - come and eat us - plaque..
http://ffden-2.phys.uaf.edu/212_fall2003.web.dir/Brian_Herold/Pictures/plaque.jpg


Thats hilarious! :D Free lunch for interstellar reptiles! Come and get it ! Cmon

[foreverspirit]

There are hundreds of possibilities as to what UFO are, and why they are here, and to why the remain hidden from the general public. And none of them can be dismissed untill we know for sure.


And all of them can be dismissed, until we know for sure!!!!:cool:

[thetonic]

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Why do so many people, even those well-versed in UFO lore, not know that the alien stories ORIGINATED in the Intelligence community, when they are also being told BY THE SAME community that the Intel and Govt. arena is deliberately HIDING these truths?

What kind of mental gymnastics does it take to accept that the government is hiding the truth, whilst relying on their agents FOR the information about ETs and UFOs?

The answer is simple: our minds and opinions are being manipulated AWAY from the truth by simple sleight-of-hand magicians' tricks. Whilst we are all looking at the interesting and enthralling spectacle, we are missing the real action, and failing to notice the simple way the deception is achieved. In doing so, we are continually speculating about all manner of conspiracies and hidden technologies, as well as occult realities that vested interests certainly do not want us delving into.


contd: http://www.ivanfraser.com/articles/conspiracies/etagenda.html:cool:

Excellent post... HIT THE NAIL ON THE HEAD! WAKE UP PEOPLE! YOU ARE BEING HUSTLED AND WILL BE WELL ASHAMED WHEN THEY DECIDE THE GAME IS UP!

[edit]

We've sent our own UFOs out into interstellar space.

http://www2.jpl.nasa.gov/basics/bsf9-2c.gif

http://space.newscientist.com/data/images/ns/cms/dn9173/dn9173-1_600.jpg

There is an ultra-pure sample of the isotope uranium-238 electroplated on the record's cover. Uranium-238 has a half-life of 4.51 billion years. It is possible that a civilization that encounters the record will be able to use the ratio of remaining uranium to daughter elements to determine the age of the record. The most stupid object our race has put into space so far is the - Here we are - come and eat us - plaque..
http://ffden-2.phys.uaf.edu/212_fall2003.web.dir/Brian_Herold/Pictures/plaque.jpg
www.akasha.de/~aton (http://www.akasha.de/~aton/DejaVu.html) http://www.akasha.de/~aton/DjaVu2.JPG
DEJA VU ENGINEERING
In Global Unity Events
http://www.akasha.de/~aton/DjaVu3.JPGhttp://www.akasha.de/~aton/DjaVu3.JPGhttp://www.akasha.de/~aton/DjaVu3.JPG

(...) Or to the
11:11 event of January 11th 1992, at an absolutely major point of significance on the graph, connecting all the way to 2009 - we clearly witness how the future and our future selves have truly deja vu guided our modern gatherings for global spiritual unity.

I participated in each of these. And on the Harmonic Convergence, in Glastonbury, as I was being filmed and asked the reason for this gathering, where I responded that we were to join our galactic family - a Star Ship appeared as a golden rainbow pearl on the 17th Dawn Horizon, to confirm, this was also filmed.

http://www.akasha.de/~aton/TimeGates.JPG
TIME MARRIAGE - TIME GATE
STRETCHING INTO THE PAST

During the March 27th period of the Time Gate drop, apart from connecting to the smaller Time Gate's in the larger Time Gate pathway to 2010, we are in direct resonance to April 16th, 1989, where millions in Crystal Light Link united and focussed on their Christ Self's for infusions of the Spirit [this touched the beginning of November 1998].
By Ananda (http://www.akasha.de/~aton/DejaVu.html), January 1996 (applies to Time Gate 1998 and 1999ALIGNING 11:11 IN UNION WITH THE TIME GATE

(,,,)Utilising the same means described with the Crystal Light Link interconnectivity into open ended Christory, let us apply this for linking 1992, the year when atomic clocks were recalibrated two times, fulfilling Emmanuel's predictions as to the changing of time, which would accelerate, until by around 2011 it would "appear to collapse".
These time travelling enactions, through the Unity Christ Self can fulfil this prophecy in the most profound way. Not just by the Earth and solar systems electromagnetic field nullification (by the solar transformations), but by the greater-than-light cosmic ray bombardments. As the overlap of the higher octaves that are faster-than-light, from the 7th octave of our 3rd colour spectrum dimension (the 7th octave of the speed of pure consciousness, or Thoton's/Takyons), where we experience the marriage of the decending Pyramid of the Dove, the Soma, interlocked in marriage with the ascending Pyramid of the Phoenix, the Manna, to allow the Vortexijah Grail Cup Star Ship of Our Christ Self to trumpet through as Christos Somanna - the immortal food of the One Body of Christ.

Alert all who participated in the 11:11, so that they can meet themselves back then, and connect themselves to the future to fulfill the vision which was grounded by them, as a glimpse of the infinite paradigm of perfection of our One United Body, the One Body of Christ of All-Oneness. The ascension of this universe through marriage of the polarities, to the pathway of the in-between - the heart in love.

Despite these darkest hours before the dawn, the future and the past is more than ever in our hands, as priests of marriage, let us wed the duality of time and space into the Church of our comm-union, to the living Unityverse, by the wedding ring of trinitised Love, the Soma of the crown, the Manna of the base of life, and the Somanna of the heart, into a single Eye/I, the Ring of Unity Now. God Be You: Emmanuel.

Ananda

For the other time gates to be opened in the years to come, see: The Unity Keys Of Emmanuel. The Interuniversal Perspective For The Unity Of Diversity. (http://www.akasha.de/~aton/UNITYKEYS.html)
http://www.akasha.de/~aton/Home.JPG (http://www.akasha.de/~aton/DejaVu.html)

[thetonic]

www.akasha.de/~aton (http://www.akasha.de/~aton/DejaVu.html) http://www.akasha.de/~aton/DjaVu2.JPG
DEJA VU ENGINEERING
In Global Unity Events
http://www.akasha.de/~aton/DjaVu3.JPGhttp://www.akasha.de/~aton/DjaVu3.JPGhttp://www.akasha.de/~aton/DjaVu3.JPG

(...) Or to the
11:11 event of January 11th 1992, at an absolutely major point of significance on the graph, connecting all the way to 2009 - we clearly witness how the future and our future selves have truly deja vu guided our modern gatherings for global spiritual unity.

I participated in each of these. And on the Harmonic Convergence, in Glastonbury, as I was being filmed and asked the reason for this gathering, where I responded that we were to join our galactic family - a Star Ship appeared as a golden rainbow pearl on the 17th Dawn Horizon, to confirm, this was also filmed.

http://www.akasha.de/~aton/TimeGates.JPG
TIME MARRIAGE - TIME GATE
STRETCHING INTO THE PAST

During the March 27th period of the Time Gate drop, apart from connecting to the smaller Time Gate's in the larger Time Gate pathway to 2010, we are in direct resonance to April 16th, 1989, where millions in Crystal Light Link united and focussed on their Christ Self's for infusions of the Spirit [this touched the beginning of November 1998].
By Ananda (http://www.akasha.de/~aton/DejaVu.html), January 1996 (applies to Time Gate 1998 and 1999

Edit... Damnit man , cant you see people on here dont have time for riddles..:D

Ps. Are you the lone surviving member of HEAVENS GATE CULT?..

[auron]

I wish that they come and pick me up sometime soon.

Any "Aliens" reading this???

Help me out man!! :D

[auron]

Edit... Damnit man , cant you see people on here dont have time for riddles..:D

Ps. Are you the lone surviving member of HEAVENS GATE CULT?..
Edit is pure genius :cool:

[mynameis]

Explain this then?

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QRzOF-eAw7I

[auron]

Explain this then?

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QRzOF-eAw7I
Ok then......... :D

[norton]

Explain this then?

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QRzOF-eAw7I

i can't access streaming media. the only time i'm on here is during work and it's filtered.

but i'm guessing a ufo was spotted in space by a satellite? can you see the drivers/pilots? i'm guessing no. Doesn't prove anything.

how do i know ALL crop circles are man made? because a few years ago a close friend of mine hacked in to the pentagon (he was on the news and is banned from ever going to america and THEY also killed his wife- they tried to do him for being a spy but he got away with it because he said 'if a nerd in his bedroom can hack into americas nerve centre, what does that say about americas security?? be grateful i'm not a third world dictator.' ). He found a file about crop circles and saw that YEP, they are nowt to do with aliens.

[spacegurl]

If these beautifully, complex crop circles are being done by a bunch of drunk hicks in the middle of the night then I'm going to get really depressed.

Rest assured the strange formations being done in crops are from people via using satellites. Will that make you depressed? If so then you do need help.

[mynameis]

What part of

YouTube - UFO: filmed during NASA Space Shuttle STS-80 Mission is a satellite?

i can't access streaming media. the only time i'm on here is during work and it's filtered.

but i'm guessing a ufo was spotted in space by a satellite? can you see the drivers/pilots? i'm guessing no. Doesn't prove anything.

how do i know ALL crop circles are man made? because a few years ago a close friend of mine hacked in to the pentagon (he was on the news and is banned from ever going to america and THEY also killed his wife- they tried to do him for being a spy but he got away with it because he said 'if a nerd in his bedroom can hack into americas nerve centre, what does that say about americas security?? be grateful i'm not a third world dictator.' ). He found a file about crop circles and saw that YEP, they are nowt to do with aliens.

[synergy777]

the modern kidnaping aliens could be a cover/false memory tactic by govt black ops. that way they operate unhindered and leave the victim totally miscredited. ciggy alluded to this.

as for ancient astronauts, fallen, i think there is certainly some truth in it.

[them]

www.akasha.de/~aton (http://www.akasha.de/~aton/DejaVu.html) http://www.akasha.de/~aton/DjaVu2.JPG
DEJA VU ENGINEERING
In Global Unity Events
http://www.akasha.de/~aton/DjaVu3.JPGhttp://www.akasha.de/~aton/DjaVu3.JPGhttp://www.akasha.de/~aton/DjaVu3.JPG

(...) Or to the
11:11 event of January 11th 1992, at an absolutely major point of significance on the graph, connecting all the way to 2009 - we clearly witness how the future and our future selves have truly deja vu guided our modern gatherings for global spiritual unity.

I participated in each of these. And on the Harmonic Convergence, in Glastonbury, as I was being filmed and asked the reason for this gathering, where I responded that we were to join our galactic family - a Star Ship appeared as a golden rainbow pearl on the 17th Dawn Horizon, to confirm, this was also filmed.

http://www.akasha.de/~aton/TimeGates.JPG
TIME MARRIAGE - TIME GATE
STRETCHING INTO THE PAST

During the March 27th period of the Time Gate drop, apart from connecting to the smaller Time Gate's in the larger Time Gate pathway to 2010, we are in direct resonance to April 16th, 1989, where millions in Crystal Light Link united and focussed on their Christ Self's for infusions of the Spirit [this touched the beginning of November 1998].
By Ananda (http://www.akasha.de/~aton/DejaVu.html), January 1996 (applies to Time Gate 1998 and 1999

http://sellingstupid.files.wordpress.com/2007/05/namaste.jpg
Namaste

Te = you
+
na ma =
* To bend
* To bow
* To sink
* To incline
* To stoop

http://www.exoticindiaart.com/artimages/zj13.jpg
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hwyuQbIb0Xs
Namaste recognizes the duality that has ever existed in this world and suggests an effort on our part to bring these two forces together, ultimately leading to a higher unity and non-dual state of Oneness. Some of these dual elements which the gesture of namaste marries together and unifies as one are;


God and Goddess
Priest and Priestess
King and Queen
Man and Woman
Heaven and Earth
Sun and Moon
Solar bull and Lunar cow
Sulfur and Quicksilver (Alchemy)
Theory and Practice
Wisdom and Method
Pleasure and Pain
Astral body (consciousness) and Etheric body (sensation)
Mind and body
Pneuma (spirit) and Psyche (mind)
Hun (spiritual soul) and p'o (material soul) (Chinese)
Conscious and Unconscious
Animus and Anima
Objectivity and Subjectivity
Extraversion and Introversion
Intellect and Instinct
Reason and Emotion
Thought and Feeling
Inference and Intuition
Argument and Experience
Talent and Genius
Silence and Cacophony
Word and Meaning
Schizophrenia and Epilepsy
Depression and Mania
Sexuality and Anxiety
Katabolism (breaking up) and Anabolism (building up)
Ontogeny (individual evolution) and Phylogeny (race evolution)
Right side of body (warm) and Left side (cool)
Front side of body (positive) and Rear side of body (negative)
Brain and Heart
Sahasara Chakra and Kundalini
Insulin and Adrenalin
Pingala (yellow solar channel in body) and Ida (white lunar channel)
Hot breath and Cold breath (Yoga)
Exhalation and Inhalation (Yoga)
Linga and Yoni


http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Namaste

'The God in me greets the God in you
The Spirit in me meets the same Spirit in you'

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YcgNJ7cgDVs

[synergy777]

them and edit are making us plebs look dumb, lol

make it easier, the best thing is to make something complex simple, thats real genius.

that way everyone can learn/understand and pass the teaching on.

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Namaste

Te = you
+
na ma =
* To bend
* To bow
* To sink
* To incline
* To stoop

http://www.exoticindiaart.com/artimages/zj13.jpg
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hwyuQbIb0Xs
Namaste recognizes the duality that has ever existed in this world and suggests an effort on our part to bring these two forces together, ultimately leading to a higher unity and non-dual state of Oneness. Some of these dual elements which the gesture of namaste marries together and unifies as one are;

'The God in me greets the God in you
The Spirit in me meets the same Spirit in you' [/CENTER]

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YcgNJ7cgDVs
http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/en/thumb/9/99/Yamuna_%28Kesi_Ghata%29.jpg/800px-Yamuna_%28Kesi_Ghata%29.jpg
Yamuna river, Vrindavan, India wikipedia.org/wiki/Yamuna (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Yamuna)
There is some evidence indicating Yamuna was a tributary of the Ghaggar river in the ancient past. It changed its course to east following a tectonic event in north India and became a tributary of the Ganges instead.

According to legend the goddess of the river, also known as Yami, is the sister of the Hindu god of death, Yama and the daughter of Surya, the Sun god. The river Yamuna is also connected to the religious beliefs surrounding the Hindu god Krishna.

The Yamuna was known to the ancient Greeks following the campaigns of Seleucus I in 305 BCE.[1] It was called Ioames by the ancient Greeks, and Jomanes by the Romans.
Ancient history .http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/en/thumb/a/a0/Yamunadevi.jpg/180px-Yamunadevi.jpg. Yamuna personified as a goddess, riding a tortoise

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http://www.nurturingpotential.net/Issue7/Rowan77.gif (http://www.nurturingpotential.net/Issue7/Rowan2.htm) Objects Discovered
(http://www.somerset.gov.uk/somerset/culturecommunity/museums/somersetcollection/romansheptonmallet/resources/objects/page2.cfm)The Sutlej was known as Shatadru or Suṭudri to Indians in the Vedic period.

http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/a/a2/Sutlej_Valley_from_Rampur_ca._1857.jpg
Image:Sutlej Valley (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sutlej) from Rampur ca. 1857
SLY (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sutlej)(Sutlej-Yamuna Link),..


The Sarasvati River (Sanskrit: सरस्वती नदी sárasvatī nadī) is one of the chief Rigvedic rivers mentioned in ancient Hindu texts. The Nadistuti hymn in the Rigveda (10.75) mentions the Sarasvati between the Yamuna in the east and the Sutlej in the west, and later Vedic texts like Tandya and Jaiminiya Brahmanas as well as the Mahabharata mention that the Sarasvati dried up in a desert. The goddess Sarasvati was originally a personification of this river, but later developed an independent identity and meaning.

Etymology
The name Sárasvatī is descended from Proto-Indo-Iranian sáras-wn̥t-iH (virtually PIE *séles-wn̥t-ih2), meaning "she with many pools". Sanskrit saras- means "pool, pond"; the feminine sarasī́ means "stagnant pool, swamp" (e.g. RV 7.103.2b). Cognate with Greek ἕλος "swamp", the Rigvedic term refers mostly to stagnant waters, and Mayrhofer considers unlikely a connection with the root sar- "run, flow".[1]

Sarasvatī is the a Devi feminine of an adjective sarasvant- (which in the masculine occurs in the Rigveda as the name of the keeper of the celestial waters, e.g. 7.96.4, 10.66.5); it is cognate to Avestan *Haraxwaitī, speculated by Lommel (1927)[2] to refer to Arədvī Sūrā Anāhitā, the Avestan mythological world river, which would point to an already Proto-Indo-Iranian myth of a cosmic or mystical *Sáras-vn̥t-iH River. In the younger Avesta, Haraxwaitī is identified with a region described to be rich in rivers, and the Old Persian cognate Hara[h]uvatiš was the name of the Helmand river system, the origin of the Greek name Arachosia. (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Arachosia)


Arachosia was directly to the south of Bactria, but separated from it by the Hindu Kush mountain range. It was bound on the south by Gedrosia (now Baluchistan), on the west by Drangiana (now Sistan) and on the east by Indus river. One of the tribes inhabiting northwest Arachosia were the Pactyans, an ancient Indo-Iranic tribe (Pakthas of Rig Veda). They were probably the ancestors of today's Pakhtuns. The south and southeast was inhabited by Rhoplutae (considered to be ancestors of Rohilla Rajputs and Afghans of India), and by Eoritae (known as Arattas or Aroras to Indians).

The north and northwest parts of Arachosia were a part of the Medes' empire. Cyrus the Great conquered the remaining parts of Arachosia and extended the Achaemenid empire to the Indus river. The south, southeast and northeast parts of Arachosia retained Buddhist-Hindu religious and cultural influence until the advent of Islam in the 7th century.




Hara-xwaitī
Hara[h]uvatiš

Hara-xwaitī
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- Navion (http://www.***********************/bbs/message.php?page=117&showdate=10/11/07&messageid=424119&mpage=1)
Hare (Farsi) means - don-key
The ancient history of the letter L. (http://student.britannica.com/eb/art/print?id=58054&articleTypeId=0)
http://cache.eb.com/eb/image?id=67698&rendTypeId=4
... as a picture sign of an oxgoad, ...
Ox - goad
mentioned only in Judg. 3:31, the weapon with which Shamgar (q.v.) slew six hundred Philistines
Understanding Genetics: Human Health and the Genome (http://www.thetech.org/genetics/ask.php?id=225)
I understand that a horse and a donkey make a mule but why can't 2 mules have a baby mule? -A middle school student from Michigan ...
http://www.thetech.org/genetics/images/header1.jpg
mula-pra-kri(ya)-tihttp://www.thetech.org/genetics/images/ask/mules.jpg

On Mula, the Hindu Term for "Root" (http://64.233.183.104/search?q=cache:WYcX-iZaGg8J:www.urday.com/devhuti.html+nine+prajapatis&hl=nl&ct=clnk&cd=1&gl=nl)
Dev-h-ut-i
http://www.urday.com/images/kapil.jpgShe was so deeply immersed in God that she even forgot herself. She used to be fed by her maids. Dust kept on settling on her body but it could not reduce her devotion.She simply followed the path told by Kapil. After several years, Devhuti attained salvation and that place is now known as Siddhipad. It is situated on the banks of the river Saraswati. Having freed herself from all kinds of sins, Devhuti's body became holy and assumed the form of a river. Even today, all devotees who are blessed with whatever they desire, venerate it.



Taming the Malefic Saturn by Yogi Harinam Baba Prem (http://www.boloji.com/astro/00336.htm)
This step is called a mula bhanda. Mula means root in Sanskrit and bhanda means lock.http://www.boloji.com/astro/images/saturnrings.gif
http://lotussculpture.com/images/nata14.jpgclick-u-n-r-oook (http://www.lotussculpture.com/nataraja1.htm)

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Count the Stars: The Great World Wide Star Count (http://www.windows.ucar.edu/citizen_science/starcount/)Astronomy Picture of the Day (http://antwrp.gsfc.nasa.gov/apod/astropix.html)
2007 October 11 http://antwrp.gsfc.nasa.gov/apod/image/0710/Early-Bird-Special_lb750.jpg
Though the Moon has moved on, the tight triangle formed by Venus, Saturn, and Regulus (top), alpha star in the constellation Leo, will continue to look impressive in early morning skies over the next few days. Early bird astrophotographer Jay Ouellet also described Mars as a "brilliant red diode" in his dark country sky east of Quebec City, Canada.

In ancient times this celestial triangle would have meant something (http://www.***********************/bbs/message.php?messageid=448534&mpage=4&showdate=10/11/07&forum=1)
http://www.spaceweather.com/images2007/12oct07/skymap_north.gif[i][size="10]Y[/"size][i]

[yinon]

You may like to check out Mac Tonnies at http://www.mactonnies.com/

Amongst other things, Tonnies suggests that many Ufo abductions are faked by aliens that are on planet Earth already, as a way to divert our attention away from them. I presume this principle would apply to Ufos too and the idea that they are faked by aliens already here.

Interesting idea I think.

He mentions something about the rooms that abductees are taken too, as being described by some people as a rush job. That items have been placed in a hurry, as if the abducters are placing props.

And as for the examinations, would aliens really need to physically probe human bodies. Maybe this is all part of an act. Aliens faking the kind of abduction humans would imagine happening.

If you were an alien already on Earth, possibly residing in a human body, faking Ufos and alien abductions would be an effective way to divert peoples attention away from yourself. Control the media too and a steady flow of alien out there invasion movies, spanning decades, and the human race will never look in the right places.

So yes I do think some Ufos are not human military inventions. They may be alien holographic illusions.

Interesting quote

I suspect that the UFO phenomenon represents a form of nonhuman intelligence that insinuates itself into our belief systems. Likewise, the "alien abduction" phenomenon is certainly real, although possibly in a sense of "real" we're not able to properly address. "Abductions" and similar extraordinary experiences seem to signal an intrusion into our reality by an intelligence existing outside spacetime as we understand it. I would be surprised if abductions were "merely" due to aliens from some other planet. Then again, I'm open to prosaic explanations, granted that they encompass the phenomenon's complexities.

http://www.mactonnies.com/ufos.html

[yinon]

And why should the CIA and governments have been so interested in ploughing energy into creating UFO groups and cults, if what they say is true? Clearly there's something big belying this agenda, and it certainly is not what those agents told us was going on. The one thing we can be damned sure of is that it isn't alien visitation.


I agree. Right..There is something weird behind the way they push the Mount Shasta trip

I remember one of their emmissairies shared in a public lecture that a galactic battle was going on and we have to free human kind from invaders.

Suspicious a bit! Save the world!!! In other words, I am your savior.....

[freespark]

anyone else believe that ALL UFO's are military aircraft? anyone else noticed that they seem to be getting better and better? Since the fifties the look and descriptions of the way they manouvre seems to be getting better and better?! Personally i think, if aliens were travelling around in little space ships, considering how long it would take them to travel here why do they just fly about in the sky and then bugger off again? seems like a bit of a waste of time to me.
I do believe that they were built with alien knowledge and technology but don't believe for a second that they come here to make pretty patterns in our corn fields (ok, i know for a fact ALL corn circles are man made that was a joke)! just wondering if i'm alone in hnking this

(p.s. THEY are capable of time travel, which is why ufo's can be seen in paintings and drawings from many years ago!)

Remember that aliens could also come from different dimensions (ie: Different vibrational realities) so hence probably don't take that long to get 'here' and also just 'dissapear' into thin air or change thier vibrational frequency when they want to leave.

[synergy777]

http://www.telegraph.co.uk/earth/main.jhtml;jsessionid=2NWRD1J5U14OVQFIQMGCFGGAVCBQ UIV0?xml=/earth/2007/10/12/scialien112.xml

'Alien signals will be found by 2025'
By Roger Highfield, Science Editor
Last Updated: 2:01pm BST 12/10/2007



The skies are to be swept for signs of alien life in the most far reaching scan of its kind.

A total of 42 radio dishes have started collecting scientific data from the furthest reaches of the universe, part of the Allen Telescope Array (ATA) in Hat Creek, around 270 miles north of San Francisco.


The Allen Telescope Array in Hat Creek


Astronomer Seth Shostak has compared the project to the 1997 Hollywood film "Contact," in which Jodie Foster plays a scientist based at a remote monitoring station trying to decipher signals from a distant civilization.

"The Allen Telescope Array will be like 200 million Jodie Fosters sitting out there listening," said Shostak of the Search for Extraterrestrial Intelligence (SETI) Institute and the University of California, Berkeley.

"We don't know how many needles are in the galactic haystack of 400 billion stars, but I think we will find (signals from intelligent civilizations) by 2025," he said.

There are some 200 billion stars in our galaxy, depending on which estimate you believe, and a significant fraction of them have planets. Estimates of the number of intelligent civilizations in the galaxy have ranged from zero into the millions.


The dishes will be part of an eventual army of telescopes numbering around 350, each 20 ft in diameter, that are being deployed to help advance radio astronomy. Using the separate antennas as if they were one giant dish, radio astronomers will be able to map vast swaths of the sky cheaply and efficiently.

"The ATA's technical capabilities exponentially increase our ability to search for intelligent signals, and may lead to the discovery of thinking beings elsewhere in the universe," "It is the first major telescope in the world built specifically for undertaking a search for extraterrestrial intelligence," he added.

Leo Blitz, director of the radio astronomy laboratory at the University of California, Berkeley, said the ATA would help scientists discover more about how galaxies evolve. "This opens up a whole area in science," Blitz enthused.

The array, which will cost another $41 million to complete, will also help search for new phenomena like black holes eating each other and so-called dark galaxies without stars.

The first images based on data gleaned by the telescope battalion included radio maps of the nearby Andromeda and Triangulum Galaxies.

The project is named after Microsoft co-founder and billionaire philanthropist Paul Allen, who has donated around 25 million dollars towards the 50 million dollar venture.

Describing himself as "a child of the 50s, the golden age of space exploration and science fiction," Mr. Allen, a founder of Microsoft, said he first got interested in supporting the search ET after a conversation with the late Carl Sagan, the Cornell astronomer and populariser of science who wrote the book Contact.

for the telegraph to cover this, well why would the govt invest billions into a fantasy . remember gary mckinnon, jailed for hacking into flies, that showed military regiments/forces of an extra terristial nature.

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cnn.com ~Hubble image said to echo
van Gogh
'Starry Night' (http://www.cnn.com/2004/TECH/space/03/05/starry.vangogh.reut/index.html)http://i.cnn.net/cnn/2004/TECH/space/03/05/starry.vangogh.reut/story.starrynight.cnn.jpg
http://landru.i-link-2.net/shnyves/2x3gogh.starry-night.jpeg
Starry night (http://www.nueva-acropolis.es/blog/index.asp?ci=8&s=category)

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