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lostinstrangeworld

06-10-2007, 11:09 AM

All I can say after watching these, is basically, Wow.

I highly recommend the videos on this link.

http://www.divinecosmos.com/index.php?option=com_content&task=view&id=356&Itemid=70

jovichmk

06-10-2007, 03:24 PM

the link is not working
can you check it again and post it once more

lostinstrangeworld

06-10-2007, 05:54 PM

http://www.divinecosmos.com/index.php?option=com_content&task=view&id=356&Itemid=70

julieray

07-10-2007, 01:05 AM

What an interesting man. I watched the first, half of the second and then I jumped straight to the fourth because I wanted to hear what he had to say about 2012. There is a lot of stuff that he did say that I have read before, but it just reconfirms everything.

It was very spiritually uplifting. I must remember to be positive and try not to feed any of the negativity by thinking negative things. Easier said than done, but I feel so excited, I will have to capture the moment.

Thank you for this link:)

lostinstrangeworld

07-10-2007, 08:44 AM

julieray

07-10-2007, 10:46 AM

I don't really know that much about Edgar Cayce to make any assumptions but I did read that Brian Ladd, from BriansPrediction.com channels him through with his dreams/predictions etc. But I suppose when you reach that sort of leve of consciousness, you can literally be in two places at once or maybe even more!!

infinitely free

07-10-2007, 09:25 PM

I'm so glad you enjoyed it. :)

So, does anyone think he could be the reincarnation of Edgar Cayce?

What he said about their birth charts was interesting.

And although they don't look like identical twins, I can see exactly the same character/ personality emanating from David's face as from Edgar's.

I don't quite believe in reincarnation, because I think we basicaly are all, incarnations of ourselves

Would the image, in the mirror, be re-incarnation of the person staring, in it?

infinitely free

07-10-2007, 09:30 PM

infinitely free

07-10-2007, 09:52 PM

David Wilcock does talk about the negative entities that can try to influence people. They are out there. He says that this present time is the Armageddon. That's why life is so confusing right now.

In my view there can't be an 'Armageddon', because any 'good' or 'evil' is our own creation, anyway!
But, Wilcock mentioned it - the guys going throgh 2012 felt pure Oneness!
The energy, that they may have come in contact, with, had brought total balance

What I am saying is - Good & Evil are illusory! Balance is Oneness

lostinstrangeworld

07-10-2007, 09:58 PM

In my view there can't be an 'Armageddon', because any 'good' or 'evil' is our own creation, anyway!
But, Wilcock mentioned it - the guys going throgh 2012 felt pure Oneness!
The energy, that they may have come in contact, with, had brought total balance

What I am saying is - Good & Evil are illusory! Balance is Oneness

But he says that too, later on in the movie!

agate

08-10-2007, 03:22 AM

agate

08-10-2007, 03:32 AM

agate

08-10-2007, 03:34 AM

But he says that too, later on in the movie!

For we are sharing the same "God consciousness", the more you believe in your intuition, the more information you will get from the source.:)

lostinstrangeworld

08-10-2007, 08:15 AM

For we are sharing the same "God consciousness", the more you believe in your intuition, the more information you will get from the source.:)

Well said. Thank you for reminding me of what is important.

Although it is great to read, I feel we should all spend time each day, in a deep meditation or whatever, just taking some time to go within.

Love.

infinitely free

08-10-2007, 07:59 PM

Well said. Thank you for reminding me of what is important.

Although it is great to read, I feel we should all spend time each day, in a deep meditation or whatever, just taking some time to go within.

Love.

(So yes, wilcock did mention that good and bad are not quite what they seem...)

Each day i myself go through something deep

And something is making it happen. I feel that something is gathering an enormous pace, and that we are on our ultimate journey...
But, then we are not going (anywhere). We've always been t/here, where we were SUPPOSED to be!! :)

infinitely free

08-10-2007, 08:01 PM

That's right.

Wilcock just needs more evidence to make more people know what the law really is through a scientific way.;)

You can share what you know with us, on this thread, agate :D;)

lostinstrangeworld

08-10-2007, 08:15 PM

That's right.

Wilcock just needs more evidence to make more people know what the law really is through a scientific way.;)

And that's what he's trying to do. He's gathering together as much evidence as he can. He's also working on a film right now to help awaken humanity, called "Convergence".

julieray

08-10-2007, 08:20 PM

No julieray, not 'when'! We already are, in all these 'places'! Awareness is the 'key' :)

Yes, you are quite right, I read somewhere that we are indeed living simultaneous existences all at the same time, only we do not have the ability to know or remember. What about then saying that when you reach that level of conciousness that you will be aware and remember that you are in two places at once and even more.!!:)

infinitely free

08-10-2007, 08:31 PM

What about then saying that when you reach that level of conciousness that you will be aware and remember that you are in two places at once and even more.!!:)

And it is somehow 'amazing'
When you get counsciously aware of being somewhere else (as well as being 'here'), you still maintain some 'automatic' awareness, of what's going on, here :D ;), despite the fact that you may loose any visual picture

lostinstrangeworld

08-10-2007, 08:33 PM

That's how we "tune in" to our "Higher Selves". We're contacting the more fully evolved us, many miles into the "future"!

infinitely free

08-10-2007, 08:41 PM

That's how we "tune in" to our "Higher Selves". We're contacting the more fully evolved us, many miles into the "future"!

"Future" :D - From a 'Matrix' point of view seems that it hasn't happened yet...

when I myself 'jump' to another point, of awareness, Time starts jerking and bending - 'it' doesn't seem to 'like it' :D!

julieray

08-10-2007, 09:03 PM

infinitely free

08-10-2007, 10:26 PM

You have probably already read this, but it is within Context.
From David Icke newsletter:

LIFE, LIBERTY AND THE PURSUIT OF … WELL, WHAT, EXACTLY?

How can we connect and communicate with that which is still and in a no-time state while we are hurtling around at breakneck-speed in frantic pursuit of everything?

lostinstrangeworld

08-10-2007, 10:35 PM

Just "tune in". There are many ways to do this, not only through meditation. Have you ever had those moments of deep, spontaneous insight or creativity? I'm sure you have, every now and then; I think we all have.

If we desire to get better at this ability, we just need to practice.

jologriffiths

08-10-2007, 10:47 PM

I haven't actually experienced anything like this, only read I am afraid. What do you have to do to contact your "Higher Self" I do meditate and receive lots of wonderful spiritual messages and see the most wonderful colours etc. and sometimes some profound messages but how would I know if any of this is my higher self or not????:confused:

Hi Julieray,
In my experience the higher self is always present, you have to be tuned in to listening to your inner voice, and having the trust to accept this voice and listen to what 'you' are saying, you can calm yourself and debate questions and decide, sometimes it takes a few repetitions of thought to before you feel to make a decision about something, and that is as it should be for you at that time. If you give yourself the imagination to accept this dialogue, you will be happier and more in control of where you want to be.

In your meditations, the communion and delivery of beautiful images and messages comes from your higher self.

This is something that I think we are learning gradually, though I suppose the more people wake up the faster the ascension or generation of conscious energy. Things have definately taken a step up!

I am seeing the importance of all of this information I am gathering to discern my truth, take what you need to make yourself feel good and allow yourself a vision that is healing and energising.

ONE LOVE:)

julieray

08-10-2007, 11:10 PM

Thank you I will take on board what you all say and next time I shall be aware of my "Higher Self" and I shall see if my meditations differ in anyway now that I know this. I do have conversations with myself, constantly in fact, on just about anything and everything and you are probably right, you can draw comfort, bravery, strength and anything else that you need at that moment. I can relate to that!:)

agate

09-10-2007, 12:46 AM

You have probably already read this, but it is within Context.
From David Icke newsletter:

Before 2012, I think the best way to reach that level is to take anything positive for granted.:)

agate

09-10-2007, 12:54 AM

Could anybody explain for me what the "Higher Self" means? Is it a state of self consciousness? Or a dreaming person who appear in the dream? It was on Stewart Swerdlow's website that I noticed the "Higher Self" the first time.

For I'm a Chinese, and I can not find any better words to describe the "Higher Self" , it's probably a new culture thing for me. Thanks.

agate

09-10-2007, 12:56 AM

You can share what you know with us, on this thread, agate :D;)

Yes I will, that's what I did a few days ago in a Chinese forum. I'm working on this in english;)

infinitely free

09-10-2007, 08:12 PM

Could anybody explain for me what the "Higher Self" means?

I think the 'Higher Self' is symbolic, i. e it refers to the self that has a higher awareness, but at the same time we are (or really - were) not aware of this self, so it was duped a 'Higher Self'

Also see http://www.youtube.com/jp.swf?video_id=FpCSk7WC4GI&eurl=http%3A//www.davidicke.com/forum/showthread.php%3Fs%3D4b117680f08634e3c44dcecf30844 187%26p%3D152207%26posted%3D1%23post152207&iurl=http%3A//img.youtube.com/vi/FpCSk7WC4GI/default.jpg&t=OEgsToPDskKx4HbZPq1VVJWBFuNO4GIK... or as david Icke puts it - 'YOUR WORLD IS ... WELL, ER ... YOU!'

lookfar

09-10-2007, 08:49 PM

Hi LISW

Just finished watching the vids & WOW!!:D He seems like a genuine guy to me with some truly amazing information. Great stuff, I need more now, lol!!

Thanks for sharing :)

lostinstrangeworld

09-10-2007, 11:22 PM

agate

10-10-2007, 05:57 PM

LOVE is the WAVES

- the real (almighty) energy coming from human's DNA

Let me explain the existence of the wave of love in scientific way. 《Shuo Wen》or《说文》In Chinese, which is the Chinese dictionary written by Xushen in Donghan dynasty AC 100-121）that has one defination for the word "Yi" ('易' in Chinese, which is quoted from 《YI KING》or《易经》in Chinese) as following:

YI --- It's lizard or Gecko, It is the guard for the maid of honor. It's named as 'Shou Gong' or 守宫 in Chinese.

There's an ancient Chinese literary story from 《Bo Wu Zhi》or《愽物志》in Chinese, which says: In Han dynasy, People used to feed Lizards with vermilion, in order to make their bodies turn into red. Then people kill them and smash their body into plasm state, and use that as paint dotting on a maid's arms. But later, if this maid has coition with a man, the red dot will disappear from the maid's arms.

Also there's another ancient Chinese poem written by "Li Shangyin" in his poem《He Yang Shi》or 《河阳诗》(李商隠《河阳诗》“巴西夜市红守宫，后房点臂斑斑红”（参见彭大翼《山堂肆考》卷十一《宫人涂臂》in Chinese) as following meaning:

No matter how busy the Baxi's night life is, the red lizard slurry would still be the guard for the maid of honor, for her arms have been painted by so many red dots.

I remember that Credo Mutwa has a method to deal with a "reptilian" or a "shape-shifter" in David Icke's intervew. When the reptilian appears nearby you and your partner or gf, you'd better make love with the partner, then the reptilian will go away.

These stories have explained the fountion of the Love energy without any theory to prove.

Now, I'm going to use the thoery of "the superposition principle of wave" to prove that LOVE is the real energy or the (almighty) WAVES coming from human's DNA. Two waves with two opposite phases but same amplitudes can be superposed by each other, then disappear together. Different color comes from different spectrum which is born from different waves. We have known from the DNA Phantom effect, that DNA is the wave (source) that can emitt spiral(helix) energy (waves) . Now, we just need a huge trigger to make the "DNA" WORK BETTER, so, making LOVE is the one that can trigger the DNA to form an engery level or an almighty waves, which include the wave that can superpose with the wave from the "Red Lizard Slurry" on the human skin. The DNA is an engergy source that continutes to supply the waves or the spiral energy, but the "Red Lizard Slurry" does not have an energy supplying source on human skin, which means the "simple" wave is just too weak to live longer. Finally, it becomes an energy battle between the WAVES from the LOVE and the WAVES from the Lizard COLOR . At the end, the red is gone for the source of the "Red Lizard Slurry" is "superposed" by an opposite vibration(wave) coming from the continurously DNA spiral energy(WAVES).

Anyone who doubts about it, is free to try it out.:)

agate

10-10-2007, 06:26 PM

I think the 'Higher Self' is symbolic, i. e it refers to the self that has a higher awareness, but at the same time we are (or really - were) not aware of this self, so it was duped a 'Higher Self'

Also see http://www.youtube.com/jp.swf?video_id=FpCSk7WC4GI&eurl=http%3A//www.davidicke.com/forum/showthread.php%3Fs%3D4b117680f08634e3c44dcecf30844 187%26p%3D152207%26posted%3D1%23post152207&iurl=http%3A//img.youtube.com/vi/FpCSk7WC4GI/default.jpg&t=OEgsToPDskKx4HbZPq1VVJWBFuNO4GIK... or as david Icke puts it - 'YOUR WORLD IS ... WELL, ER ... YOU!'

Thanks I.F.
I just watched all the videos, I think the "higher self" is kind of God aspect living in people's subconsciousness.

lostinstrangeworld

10-10-2007, 06:38 PM

There's an ancient Chinese literary story from 《Bo Wu Zhi》or《愽物志》in Chinese, which says: In Han dynasy, People used to feed Lizards with vermilion, in order to make their bodies turn into red. Then people kill them and smash their body into plasm state, and use that as paint dotting on a maid's arms. But later, if this maid has coition with a man, the red dot will disappear from the maid's arms.
Eeew.
How cruel! :(

Here's something I found for a definition on the "Higher Self"

http://www.lawofone.info/results.php?category=Higher+Self

agate

10-10-2007, 07:28 PM

Eeew.
How cruel! :(

Here's something I found for a definition on the "Higher Self"

http://www.lawofone.info/results.php?category=Higher+Self

The soul afraid of dying, that never learns to live.

Killing is born from love. Love is something that can make people positive and brave.

Love is also the only energy to make or stop the BIG BANG in the universe.

agate

10-10-2007, 07:48 PM

Eeew.
How cruel! :(

Here's something I found for a definition on the "Higher Self"

http://www.lawofone.info/results.php?category=Higher+Self

Thank you for that website.

Finally, I think I do not need to understand what the "higher self" is, for I have strong faith in being a God which is something that we can make, and nothing would be much higher than the God level.

Actually, people were not brave enough to accept the purest love or truth, that's the reason why people keep spending time in trying to look for all kinds of evidence to make themself strong enough to be brave enough to accept "the only truth" ---LOVE.

We need to learn to conquer all the illusions (FEARS)

lostinstrangeworld

10-10-2007, 08:41 PM

The soul afraid of dying, that never learns to live.

Killing is born from love. Love is something that can make people positive and brave.

Love is also the only energy to make or stop the BIG BANG in the universe.

So shall we all kill ourselves?

agate

10-10-2007, 08:57 PM

So shall we all kill ourselves?

It's up to you;), everything happens for a reason. The vibration or the waves arrange everything in the universe, for everything is connected by the waves.

By the way, trying to be postive enough can make you take the "death" as an illusion, once you accept this level, there would be no more killing at all.:)

infinitely free

12-10-2007, 08:24 PM

Hi guys

something interesting:

New Form of Matter Discovered, Part Laser, Part Superconductor

A group of researchers have recently announced the creation of a completely new state of matter that combines the characteristics of lasers with those of the world’s best electrical conductors.

They successfully demonstrated the existence of the phase, besides the previously known ones: solids, liquids, gases, plasmas, superfluids, supersolids, Bose-Einstein condensates, fermionic condensates, liquid crystals, strange matter and quark-gluon plasmas.

http://news.softpedia.com/news/New-Form-of-Matter-Discovered-Part-Laser-Part-Superconductor-55150.shtml

I'll be back soon :)

agate

13-10-2007, 05:05 PM

Hi guys

something interesting:

http://news.softpedia.com/news/New-Form-of-Matter-Discovered-Part-Laser-Part-Superconductor-55150.shtml

I'll be back soon :)

Yes, it was found a few years ago. I think it would explain the Black Hole thoery.
I also predict that it has something to do with the 7th quark-gluon (that has not officially been found yet.) which is the last type of the quark family !

infinitely free

13-10-2007, 07:43 PM

It's up to you;), everything happens for a reason. The vibration or the waves arrange everything in the universe, for everything is connected by the waves.

By the way, trying to be postive enough can make you take the "death" as an illusion, once you accept this level, there would be no more killing at all.:)

Most definitely!

julieray

13-10-2007, 11:45 PM

agate

14-10-2007, 01:56 AM

I asked a friend, (Spiritualist Healer) what her version of the "Higher Self" was and she thinks it is the pure part of us, the part of us that is always connected to us that never gets corrupt and cannot become corrupt. I suppose it is the unconditional love part that we strive to be down here on earth. The Higher Self helps and guides us and our lives can become uncomplicated if we take the time to listen to it. We go back there when we die, where we can assess our life, the experiences we have had and what we have learnt and how best move on in order to progress further closer to God.

I think that sounds truly lovely!!:)

I see what you mean. And I have another extra idea about the "higher self". We were created as Gods with complete DNA and brain usage who own the pure higher self. For some secret reason, later the God "body function" were changed by high technology;). But we still have 3% of their DNA to feel the existence of the higher self. So..... it's so close the God consciousness. The whole process of reaching to the higher self, is like a continuously awareness of the mankind led by a few people.

infinitely free

14-10-2007, 02:01 PM

infinitely free

14-10-2007, 02:12 PM

I see what you mean. And I have another extra idea about the "higher self". We were created as Gods with complete DNA and brain usage who own the pure higher self. For some secret reason, later the God "body function" were changed by high technology;). But we still have 3% of their DNA to feel the existence of the higher self. So..... it's so close the God consciousness. The whole process of reaching to the higher self, is like a continuously awareness of the mankind led by a few people.

Well,
in this context - there are those that may be labeled psychic!
But then, aren't those 'psychic' people really 'getting' access to 'Oneness'?
So I seem to conclude that this is connected to the 'Awakening', i.e. people are getting connected to Oneness,
but are perceived as 'gifted psychics'.
And this may well be, because we'd all forgotten our potential!

And just why, would, this have happened?
Did someone 'close' our DNA potential? And if someone did, then did this happen, after we chose to give 'responsibility' away?

Anyway, I've just come back, from a 'switch in 'reality''! :)

agate

14-10-2007, 02:44 PM

Well,
in this context - there are those that may be labeled psychic!
But then, aren't those 'psychic' people really 'getting' access to 'Oneness'?
So I seem to conclude that this is connected to the 'Awakening', i.e. people are getting connected to Oneness,
but are perceived as 'gifted psychics'.
And this may well be, because we'd all forgotten our potential!

And just why, would, this have happened?
Did someone 'close' our DNA potential? And if someone did, then did this happen, after we chose to give 'responsibility' away?

Anyway, I've just come back, from a 'switch in 'reality''! :)
I love your question!!!:)

Actually, I prefer to use "sage" or "foreknower" instead of "psychic" from your understanding. For example Jesus and Lao-tzu, also there are a lot more than two. The DNA potential has different meaning on different person, for 3% could be any 3 of 100 in the DNA types. But I think we are always helped by a "man-made" energy feild to let us finish the test of our mankind in order to enter a golden age. And it must be the only way of saving "themselves" (the reptilian or the illuminati who are living in different frequency from us). I'm going to prove these with evidence.

infinitely free

14-10-2007, 03:23 PM

I'm going to prove these with evidence.

ok!
this'd be cool - if you do that :)

agate

14-10-2007, 10:12 PM

ok!
this'd be cool - if you do that :)

Yes, that's why I am here. I'll do it step by step, for it's a kind of big job to me, and each of my posts here will be related under this thread.

But first I have to start with the helix or spiral energy, for its the key evidence to prove that the special WAVES always live with us.

Pyramid Energy

According to Dr. Philip Callahan, rose granite -- which was used in the construction of the Kings Chamber of the Great Pyramid -- is one of the most paramagnetic substances he has measured. Limestone, which covered the Great Pyramid, is diamagnetic. The cone shape and the pyramid shape are often considered to be energetically equivalent. Both are said to generate a spin field from the apex. http://www.keelynet.com/unclass/hardy1.htm

You can see an interesting Kirlian photo of the vortex energy out of a pyramid replica at:

Testa coil working under normal condition.
http://h1.ripway.com/agate/Forum/coil-1.jpg
Testa coil working inside a man-made pyramid.
http://www.keelynet.com/unclass/hardy1.htm
http://www.subtleenergies.com/ormus/tw/hardy1.gif

Many ancient China kings' tombs were built around this area after Qin dynasty(2000 years ago) in Xian.
http://h1.ripway.com/agate/Forum/XianPD.jpg

The following picture show the biggest pyramids in world and they lie in Chifeng city, in the northeast of China, which is related to a disappearing great civilization named "Qidan". And Genghis khan was born from that culture.

http://h1.ripway.com/agate/Forum/biggestPD.jpg

Also the pyramids in Egypt are considered to be used to send the Pharaoh's soul to the Polaris, for they believe they belong to the polaris.
In Chinese Taoism history, there are seven great first-class Taoists who were called seven sons of the truth which is related to the seven stars of the Polaris. One of the "sons" named Qiu Chuji - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia who was called in with Genghis khan and had a talk in 1222, then Genghis khan stopped expanding his empire.

Combined with the following theory:

The Galaxy is ''tuned'' to form DNA

In the optimal planetary system, where there are no major cataclysms or interruptions, there is a specific distance from the Sun where the tiniest spiraling waves will gather a planet's natural materials together to form the DNA molecules of life. The DNA is the wave, and the wave is the DNA.

That DNA is formed in the process of planetary evolution may sound ridiculous, but it can effectively be proven by something known as the DNA Phantom effect. Dr. Vladimir Poponin put DNA in a tube and shone a laser through it, and to his surprise he realized that it actually captured the light and caused it to spiral through the helix, as if it were a crystal. Even more amazingly, when Dr. Poponin removed the DNA, the light continued spiraling on its own!

For light to form a DNA helix on its own should of course be impossible - unless the light itself had become harmonically tuned to some naturally existing frequency in the energy of space around it. To me, this says that the spiraling light energy of DNA was there first, and the physical molecules simply formed around the spiraling energy once the planet was at the proper frequency position. The Galaxy is ''tuned'' to form human DNA in planetary systems wherever it gets the chance.

http://h1.ripway.com/agate/Forum/VIBJI028.GIF

http://h1.ripway.com/agate/Forum/060315_dna_nebula_02.jpg
http://www.space.com/scienceastronomy/060315_dna_nebula.html

From all of the above, I can draw a conclusion:

The pyramid is a "Machine" that has to use the earth energy as its power, then the "Machine" can turn it into any kind of DNA's spiral WAVES(energy) by emitting the energy from the apex, in order to form or change the status of any star system.
The earth is the center of the universe.

mcmenek1

15-10-2007, 12:43 AM

Hi lostinstrangeworld,

Just watched the video's......Wow!! amazing information......David Wilcock seems like a really genuine guy and what he says makes a lot of sense....

Thanks for posting the link.....:)

Love
&
Peace

agate

17-10-2007, 11:18 PM

The spiral energy can be translated into "COMMANDS"!

1. The following experiment was ever used to prove the discovery of the CSE(Cavity Stucture Effect), which was described as "Telekinesis".

Quote

Is the name for a contactless movement of light objects performed by the so-called gifted, i. e. moving a match box on a table without touching it, or holding a tennis ball in the mid air. I submit that everyone has this capability. Suspend the described skeletal straw pyramid by its top from the ceiling by a thin, artificial thread, or even better yet by a long shred of elastic torn from a stocking. Choose a spot with the least convection (air circulation). Allow a few hours for the pyramid to stop rotating. Cup your hands into a tube (see picture) and point your hands from a 2-meter distance at the suspended pyramid (do not lose your "target"). The pyramid will eventually start rotating clockwise in a few minutes under the pressure of this beam of CSE energy. You can then stop its rotation by moving the "tube" of your hands to the right side of the skeleton and it will start rotating counter-clockwise. Conduct these experiments of various duration, after various time intervals and at various distances. You will see that telekinesis is no miracle, but only one of the manifestations of the will of matter, which is not available to only a chosen few but, to everyone. Your palm is also a multi-cavity structure, which clearly repels the pyramid indicator device described in this chapter.

You can practice using this skeletal pyramid and develop and significantly increase your "telekinetic" abilities with it.

http://h1.ripway.com/agate/Forum/pyramid%20hands.gif

You can find some articles here (http://www.amasci.com/greb/greb2.html). I think that the moving pyramid must be "triggered" by the energy field both from the human DNA (fingers) and the earth, which means they can affect each other while the spiral energy or WAVE is toned to a "command" level that can be accepted by the human brain. Also, the Cavity Structural Effect (CSE) principles can prove existence of the energy field between the earth and other planets.

According to the above, my conclusion is that: the pyramid or the human DNA can be the "COMMANDER" of the spiral energy field.

2. (2257-2208 BC)Da Yu helped the ancient King "Shun" successfully "conquered" the flood from the Yellow River through leading people to transfer the water flowing into the sea, which took him 13 years to finish. Then he gained huge supports and reputation from many tribes. Finally they were united by Da Yu's great reputation and he set up the first dynasty "XIA" of China at leat 4000 years ago. Da Yu was also named as "God Yu" by the ancient Chinese people.

The flood probably occured in the same period with the one mentioned in the Bible.

Please take a look my analyse on the ancient drawings of "Da Yu conquer the flood" and western ancient culture.

http://h1.ripway.com/agate/Forum/dayuzhishui-e.jpg

According to all the above, my conclusion in another word is that: the earth can heal itself by giving "the sense of energy" to the human.

By the way, according to my research, the UFO can be explained in two ways:

1. Unidentified flying disk or machine.
2. Unidentified flying humanoid object.

The UFO can be used to create an holographic "picture" or send "subconsciousness" waves to the human brain.

lostinstrangeworld

19-10-2007, 03:10 PM

Fantastic info, agate!

lostinstrangeworld

19-10-2007, 03:11 PM

http://i185.photobucket.com/albums/x268/AmelieJolie7/seinfeld_1.jpg

agate

19-10-2007, 04:27 PM

http://i185.photobucket.com/albums/x268/AmelieJolie7/seinfeld_1.jpg

I love that picture ~~~ funny huh?(In fact, I ever had that idea too;))

But, you know what?

As a Chinese living in western country for a few years, I've compared the culture difference between the western and eastern world, then I draw a conclustion:

The whole world is like a super DICTIONARY BOOK, the western world is the part of the pages without any catalog and sequence; the eastern world is the part of the rest, which has no pages for any definition except the catalog and the sequence for the super DICTIONARY.

What I am doing, is to pick up any "efficient" page from the western world and find out its "page No." from the eastern world, then ......:)

agate

19-10-2007, 09:11 PM

Fantastic info, agate!

Thanks. I'm working on this now. I'm very confident to prove how we can stop the big bang of the universe in an easiest way, and keep the joy forever.

I also believe that all the beings living in all frequencies in the universe, are working on this too, we are in the same boat.

infinitely free

20-10-2007, 04:21 PM

The new David Icke pay-per-view movie website is pleased to bring you David Icke at Mount Shasta 2007. Recorded in August 2007, this is a new talk in which David Icke connects the dots between the nature of reality and the manipulation of our daily lives.

Hmm it sounds real good... :o

infinitely free

20-10-2007, 04:38 PM

For light to form a DNA helix on its own should of course be impossible - unless the light itself had become harmonically tuned to some naturally existing frequency in the energy of space around it. To me, this says that the spiraling light energy of DNA was there first, and the physical molecules simply formed around the spiraling energy once the planet was at the proper frequency position. The Galaxy is ''tuned'' to form human DNA in planetary systems wherever it gets the chance.

My own reserch has lead me to believe that light was first
Of course it is light that seems to be emanating electricity, (well, of course electricity emanates light too)

As agate says this stuff is becoming evident, in this 'reality'... !

I basicaly think that the light was/is first (as Bible says), and then the actual perseption of the Light, produces the Sense of Solidity, of the world around.

Cheers agate :D

The earth is the center of the universe. - No reason why this shouldn't be true, if we take it that the whole Universe is actually Illusion!!

Thanks. I'm working on this now. I'm very confident to prove how we can stop the big bang of the universe in an easiest way, and keep the joy forever.

I also believe that all the beings living in all frequencies in the universe, are working on this too, we are in the same boat.

... after all it all comes down to a One mutual Frequency

infinitely free

20-10-2007, 04:45 PM

agate

20-10-2007, 10:14 PM

I basicaly think that the light was/is first (as Bible says), and then the actual perseption of the Light, produces the Sense of Solidity, of the world around.

The Perception of the Light can be described in another way by Lao-tzu's words in 《Tao Te Ching》(or 《道德经》 in Chinese ), which is The Tao gives birth to the ONE, the ONE gives birth to the TWO, the TWO gives birth to the THREE, the THREE creates everything.

I think it's all about the meaning of "0","1","2","3" and the relations among them.

From my understanding, let me explain the whole process for each cycle of the big bangs.

0-->1-->2-->3.....3-->2-->1-->0-->1-->2-->3......

0 = nothing, infinite.

I remember Jesus ever said in the Bible "I'm the alpha, I'm the omega,I'm the first,I'm the last."

I think it's all about the "0" or the "Tao".
... after all it all comes down to a One mutual Frequency

That's right, I'm going to describe this in a more acceptable way.:)

infinitely free

21-10-2007, 04:37 PM

0-->1-->2-->3.....3-->2-->1-->0-->1-->2-->3......
Suspiciously reminds me of computer language - there is a relation of course!

the THREE creates everything

I wonder if this has some connection to the Trinity in the Babylonian belief

And I understand what you are saying about 'the Tao = 0' The concept of the Tao (or the Great Tao) must (in my view) be connected to the concept of Oneness, i.e. 'Oneness' meaning 'everything connected'!
So - Everything conncted, may mean that everything is aware of its 'oneness'!
To come round, in a circle, I would say, that there may be some 'missing link' - between 'Oneness' and 0 (nothingness)
We shall work on it... and see what it may be...

agate

21-10-2007, 06:34 PM

Suspiciously reminds me of computer language - there is a relation of course!
In early hebrew names of numbers and letters:

0=Nothing,no limite,limitless
1=Crown
2=Wisdom
3=Understanding
......
From my understanding, "1" should be the God without gender;"2" should be the "Man" or the "Will"(the "Yang" of the Tao,or "Positive",or"The sun"), "3" should be the "Woman" or the "Love"(the "Yin" of the Tao,or "Negative",or "The moon").

I wonder if this has some connection to the Trinity in the Babylonian belief

Yes, I think so, and thank you for that edificatory info, for it also has some connections with the Buddhism. I have someone who can prove that in China.

And I understand what you are saying about 'the Tao = 0' The concept of the Tao (or the Great Tao) must (in my view) be connected to the concept of Oneness, i.e. 'Oneness' meaning 'everything connected'!
So - Everything conncted, may mean that everything is aware of its 'oneness'!

Yes, I wanted to use the "Oneness" instead of "the one and the zero", but I could not find "Threeness" in English dictionary, so....
But now, I think I can use "Oneness, Twoness, Trinity" to re-describe the 0,1,2,3.

To come round, in a circle, I would say, that there may be some 'missing link' - between 'Oneness' and 0 (nothingness)
We'll work on it... and see what it may be...

Yes, the links could be ourselves, we just need to prove more......:)

lostinstrangeworld

22-10-2007, 11:12 AM

The only thing that really concerns me about David Wilcock's website is the emphasis on karma, which David Icke has explained is part of the illusion that keeps us imprisoned (we can perpetuate the suffering by the belief in it)......when, as the astrologer Linda Goodman said Love has the power to overcome all odds. It can even eliminate power Therefore, true spiritual knowledge, love, can set us all free.

The other thing that I'm a little dubious about is that we are supposed to be going to the 4th dimension when ascension takes place. David Wilcock explained in the Project Camelot interview that this has both a positive and negative aspect to it, with us going into the positive. ARIZONA WILDER talked about the 4th dimension as being the place where the reptilians originate and operate their control from.

Also, you can't just post almost anything you want, as you can with this website. It is all very tightly controlled and everything is read by the moderators before it even comes up.........

I'll keep an open mind though.

I do not doubt David Wilcock's own sincerity, however, I am suspicious of the dreams he mentioned with beings in them in white robes appearing from flying saucers.

The Mormon Church, a front for the Illuminati, was also founded through one of these white robed beings, Moroni, who appeared to their prophet/ puppet, Joseph Smith.

agate

22-10-2007, 01:17 PM

The only thing that really concerns me about David Wilcock's website is the emphasis on karma, which David Icke has explained is part of the illusion that keeps us imprisoned (we can perpetuate the suffering by the belief in it)......
To explain the karma , maybe it's time for me to post this again, on which I made and put in my first thread (http://www.davidicke.com/forum/showthread.php?t=7693) in HERE (http://www.davidicke.com/forum/showthread.php?t=7693&page=16) 2 months ago. ;)

Also I tried to post this picture on David Wilcock's website (theme: Law of One) a month ago, but it was "rejected" for some reason :confused:...... anyways, David Icke's formum is much better place to discuss all kinds of opinions. I love it !!!:p

http://h1.ripway.com/baidutieba/God-1.gif

lostinstrangeworld

22-10-2007, 05:46 PM

agate

23-10-2007, 12:35 AM

The other thing that I'm a little dubious about is that we are supposed to be going to the 4th dimension when ascension takes place. David Wilcock explained in the Project Camelot interview that this has both a positive and negative aspect to it, with us going into the positive. ARIZONA WILDER talked about the 4th dimension as being the place where the reptilians originate and operate their control from.

Me too. I think the 4th dimension is not as GOOD as what we have, on the contary, probably the reptilians are trying to get into our living DIMENSION (Frequency) to complete their evolution by "replanting" their "soul" and test themselve on us (after getting involved in creating us), the most important thing is that we are sharing the same consciousness.

agate

23-10-2007, 12:51 AM

I do not doubt David Wilcock's own sincerity, however, I am suspicious of the dreams he mentioned with beings in them in white robes appearing from flying saucers.

The Mormon Church, a front for the Illuminati, was also founded through one of these white robed beings, Moroni, who appeared to their prophet/ puppet, Joseph Smith.

I think the being in white robe is probably the ancient human(God) from other planet who involved in creating us long long time ago. Also I believe certain people can "pick up" ancient memories from certain DNA from the body ,for the DNA never changes as long as the "certain" WAVEs (spiral energy) exists.

agate

24-10-2007, 10:24 PM

I make two interesting pictures to describe my positive attitude on the reptilians.
The same ancient "reptilian" aspects between the western and eastern as following:

http://h1.ripway.com/agate/Forum/reptilian-en-cn.jpg

The following picture shows the same type humanoid reptilians described from two different cultures. In China, the Beijing Opera or the Kunqu(which has at least 2000 years history) has lots of historic stories for actors to play. The humanoid reptilian are always acted as the roles for leaders and generals, who helps people survive from wars or disasters.

http://h1.ripway.com/agate/Forum/horns.jpg

The reptilians are considered as the ugly-looked "evils" for some people, who can not distinguish the truth and illusion, and who always have too much negative attitudes.

lostinstrangeworld

25-10-2007, 08:55 AM

Do you feel that we have both past life memories of the soul as well as memories in DNA, agate?

You have me wondering about positive reptilians now. ;)

It's true that the human race does tend to be too xenophobic/ narrow-minded. But what about the negative reptilians Arizona Wilder and others have talked about? You can't get any more negative than the horrors Arizona described. :(

I don't feel the reptile as a species, however is "negative". Just look at Iguanas, lizards, ghekos, grass-snakes and slow-worms, etc.......they are practically vegetarian, gentle creatures. (I love animals).

agate

25-10-2007, 01:55 PM

Do you feel that we have both past life memories of the soul as well as memories in DNA, agate?

Yes I do, they are a part of us and we are a part of them, for we have all the DNA types in our body.

It's true that the human race does tend to be too xenophobic/ narrow-minded. But what about the negative reptilians Arizona Wilder and others have talked about? You can't get any more negative than the horrors Arizona described. :(

I don't feel the reptile as a species, however is "negative". Just look at Iguanas, lizards, ghekos, grass-snakes and slow-worms, etc.......they are practically vegetarian, gentle creatures. (I love animals).

They have seven main types, and the "7" is a very special number that almost appears in all the cultures all over the world. Your words lead me to prove more about the UFO of the reptiles in Arizona. I have done that a few months ago. They are "positive" too.:)...... I'll work on this in English and put it in here:p.

alleendewaarheid

25-10-2007, 06:33 PM

lostinstrangeworld

25-10-2007, 10:18 PM

lostinstrangeworld!

AGREE 100%! trust your instincts you are correct!

i know someone that listens to david wilcock.

i've heard his stuff and i believe lots of garbage.

he is a false guru.

karma is bullshit...it implies punishment which is a human construct..has nothing to do with the energy..the energy is about choices..

he says that only 1% of population will ascend..that's a lie..most will ascend

most people on the planet are going to 5D, not 4D

he is full of poop!

Where does he say that only 1% of the population will ascend? I don't recall him saying that.....

Someone wrote this, about karma on the website:

Karma is not entirely an illusion. It is as real as anything else the entity creates for itself. Ra compares karma to inertia, and once set in motion, is not always so easily stopped. But when we cease those actions that would create more karma, and forgive completely the karma may be dissolved.

Originally Posted by Ra - Session 34
...both self and any involved other-self may, at any time through the process of understanding, acceptance, and forgiveness, ameliorate these patterns. This is true at any point in an incarnative pattern. Thus one who has set in motion an action may forgive itself and never again make that error. This also brakes or stops what you call karma.

(From the Ra, "Law of One" channellings- seems pretty sound).

I don't believe in judging people; I prefer to keep an open mind.

Actually, my instincts tell me that David Wilcock is a good, kind-hearted and sincere person. It's the beings he talked about seeing in his dreams that I don't feel ready to trust yet.

David Wilcock does however have very rich and deep knowledge about so many metaphysical, spiritual and scientific things- I'm not done there yet.

But I do feel I prefer David Icke's viewpoints. ;)

alleendewaarheid

25-10-2007, 11:08 PM

Where does he say that only 1% of the population will ascend? I don't recall him saying that.....

Someone wrote this, about karma on the website:

(From the Ra, "Law of One" channellings- seems pretty sound).

I don't believe in judging people; I prefer to keep an open mind.

Actually, my instincts tell me that David Wilcock is a good, kind-hearted and sincere person. It's the beings he talked about seeing in his dreams that I don't feel ready to trust yet.

David Wilcock does however have very rich and deep knowledge about so many metaphysical, spiritual and scientific things- I'm not done there yet.

But I do feel I prefer David Icke's viewpoints. ;)

the girl i mentioned (who loves his stuff) gave me the quote about only 1% of the population making it thru ascension..i know that's nonsense..most will make it..the girl i mentioned seemed to have been "put in a trance" as if she's following a cult leader...i find it creepy

karma is also nonsense..everything is a choice pure and simple..everything you experience you have chosen to experience..i've read the RA stuff you quoted above and i don't believe it..

i've personally heard a couple things the guy said and usually if i hear any nonsense i don't listen anymore..95% of channelings out their are not worth reading...

i'm not judging him...i'm judging his material as crap...

i've read stuff like seth books by jane roberts...tobias channelings by geoffrey hoppe...celia fenn channelings...karen bishop and some others in the past..they resonate more...

lostinstrangeworld

26-10-2007, 08:05 AM

i_am

26-10-2007, 08:13 AM

This is what I believe based on my research and inner knowing.

We currently reside in the third dimension and at this point, resonating with the fourth. These dimensions have polarities. We aspire to move, with our earth, to the 5th dimension or 'Ascend'. Our DNA is changing, time as we know it is speeding up (also a third dimensional thing) and the vibration is quickening. These things are fact, not theory.

This is what I believe. I may be wrong but it is what I feel. I posted the following before and think it worth posting again:

A brief description of the dimensions from an article I have.

3rd: the one in which you currently live and are transiting out of. It is the one you (mostly) consider your sum total of reality.

4th: Sometimes referred to as the Astral Plane and exists as a shadow dimension of the third. Like the third it is a dimension of polarity and is inhabited by what you call spirits and disembodied entities. This dimension has fallen out of favour with the thinking of scientific materialism and has been reduced to the ranks of a primitive, superstitious belief - a belief that permeated human myth until you smartened up and dismissed it. You may be surprised to learn that the truth does not need your belief in order to function, and the fourth dimension has managed to carry on despite your rejection.

5th: The fifth dimension appears in your symbol systems as 'heaven' and compared to the third dimension, it is. It is a dimension of light and love, and it is free of the illusions of duality and separation. The fifth dimension is in no way the end of the line. It is just the next step in your planetary evolution. Creation actually contains an infinite number of dimensions, many of which you inhabit simultaneously.

I did not form my belief on that article, or any other for that matter. I read works by many, including the late Dr. Joshua David Stone, who kept saying it was the fourth dimension to which we aspired. I always felt that was wrong, that the fourth was a parallel of the third. I have delved in all of this ascension stuff for a long time and this is what I believe.

If I am wrong, so be it :)

lostinstrangeworld

26-10-2007, 08:26 AM

The same resonates with me. I feel it is the 5th.

agate

26-10-2007, 01:22 PM

I believe in my intuition more than anything else, and I believe in the Frequencies where we decide to live in, includes all kinds of Dimensions.

alleendewaarheid

26-10-2007, 02:10 PM

Personally, I didn't like the Seth books. I began to read one once and it immediately struck me, instinctively as being crap, so I stopped reading it.

It just goes to show- it's all in the "doors of perception". :D

i just believe you're responding that way to make an impression (re: seth books being crap) because you yourself have difficulty in my labeling david 's work as crap..

having said that..you're entitled to your opinion but 99.9999999% of people who have read seth books would disagree with you...

the seth books are exactly the way things are...if you had an inner "knowingness" you would already know that..but you seem a bit lost...

you're actually the first person i've ever heard say the seth books were crap..tell me what parts of the seth books you thought were crap and we can discuss it...i know those books inside and out..which books did you read? i want to hear about your knowledge about the books (i always catch people on this one..i bet you've never read them..haha

as far as david wilcock...he has more detractors than believers...for a reason!

you'll figure it out when you gain a bit more awareness:D

alleendewaarheid

26-10-2007, 02:15 PM

bigus_dickus

26-10-2007, 02:49 PM

the planet itself is in 4D

first/second/third wavers are in 5D and attached to the 9D christ consciousness

fourth wavers (ordinary people) are just starting their shift from 3 to 4D..

numbers do not exist outside of the human mind. the planet is not in 3D or 4D or 99D, the planet (and all of us) are in every dimension possible to exist.

it's like saying that you exist on the earth and not yet in the galaxy or the universe. when you say "we exist in 3D" and we aspire to go to 4D or 9D, it's like saying that you exist on the planet earth and you aspire to exist in the sun and then in the galaxy. but you already exist everywhere, in all possible dimensions, in all possible supersets.

alleendewaarheid

26-10-2007, 03:37 PM

yes..there are different levels...vibration and frequency higher as you move up/within..

it's all energy baby!

that's just the way it is!

there is no discussion!

you do not exist in all dimensions...your energy must match the level..

your vibration/frequency must match each vibration/frequency.

those who don't have the matching vibration to 5D will not ascend to 5D..it's that simple.

a good percent of the people on this planet are only ascending because of work done by 1st/2nd/3rd wavers.

1st/2nd/3rd wavers have ascended before (not in physical form) and are here to help others ascend.

without the 1st 3 waves noone in the 4th wave would be ascending...

the 4th wave is "ordinary people" who have previously not ascended who have been incarnating (at this time) on this 3D planet.

bigus_dickus

26-10-2007, 03:45 PM

you do not exist in all dimensions...your energy must match the level..

you definitely didn't understand what i wrote. it was really simple and straightforward.

alleendewaarheid

26-10-2007, 03:47 PM

you definitely didn't understand what i wrote. it was really simple and straightforward.

i'm here to speak to people and not to listen

you have absolutely nothing you can teach me.

what i say is the way it is - no discussion.

we all are one and come from the same energy but the energy has different energetic levels..that's the way it is!

lostinstrangeworld

26-10-2007, 03:47 PM

i just believe you're responding that way to make an impression (re: seth books being crap) because you yourself have difficulty in my labeling david 's work as crap..

having said that..you're entitled to your opinion but 99.9999999% of people who have read seth books would disagree with you...

the seth books are exactly the way things are...if you had an inner "knowingness" you would already know that..but you seem a bit lost...

you're actually the first person i've ever heard say the seth books were crap..tell me what parts of the seth books you thought were crap and we can discuss it...i know those books inside and out..which books did you read? i want to hear about your knowledge about the books (i always catch people on this one..i bet you've never read them..haha

as far as david wilcock...he has more detractors than believers...for a reason!

you'll figure it out when you gain a bit more awareness:D

I didn't mean any offense. I was just expressing my mind/ feelings. ;)

I know Peggy Kane mentioned that the author of the Seth books may have started being misled by the reps......but that's only her opinion. I actually think Peggy Kane herself is being misled by the reps....because what she says in the interviews (about reverse speech) are generally things which will cast fear/ a negative outlook......and that's what the reps want.

At the end of the day, it's all down to the individual and for individuals to allow themselves to be guided to the best information for their frequency, etc.

bigus_dickus

26-10-2007, 03:48 PM

i'm here to speak to people and not to listen

you have absolutely nothing you can teach me.

what i say is the way it is - no discussion.

fuck you too then.

lostinstrangeworld

26-10-2007, 03:51 PM

fuck you too then.

LMAO

Meow!

(Just kidding).

In any case, if people are not prepared to listen, then they have closed minds.....

alleendewaarheid

26-10-2007, 03:52 PM

I didn't mean any offense. I was just expressing my mind/ feelings. ;)

I know Peggy Kane mentioned that the author of the Seth books may have started being misled by the reps......but that's only her opinion. I actually think Peggy Kane is being misled by the reps herself.....because what she says in the interviews (about reverse speech) are generally things which will cast fear/ a negative outlook......and that's what the reps want.

At the end of the day, it's all down to the individual and for individuals to allow themselves to be guided for the best information for their frequency, etc.

ohhh..okay..

i never read any channelings as good as the jane robert's seth channelings...the information in there no human in 3D could come up with...and the language..the rhythm is definitely the rhythm of the higher realms..

you're right..it's up to the person to choose their own truth at their level of "knowingness";):D

alleendewaarheid

26-10-2007, 03:54 PM

fuck you too then.

what you say to me you only say to yourself..

it only has to do with yourself..

lostinstrangeworld

26-10-2007, 03:55 PM

alleendewaarheid

26-10-2007, 03:56 PM

LMAO

Meow!

(Just kidding).

In any case, if people are not prepared to listen, then they have closed minds.....

you're correct...my mind is "out of business"..i know operate from the heart.

some of us are here only to speak and not here to listen...

alleendewaarheid

26-10-2007, 04:01 PM

I didn't read much of the book I bought, it just felt really "new-agey" to me....stuff anyone could channel by tuning into their higher self.....but that's my opinion, and I only read a few pages before putting it down and flying off to the next flower.

hmmm..what book did you buy? once again..i always catch people on this one...like the guy in another post who said he lived in california..i then asked him where and wanted to discuss it further with him and he disappeared..haha

"new-agey"..jane roberts..haha..then you really haven't read the books..there is nothing new age about it..it's all about how your thoughts create matter and the physics of it all...how disease is created..stuff like that..just informational and many thick wonderful books..

by the way..the books were channeled from the early 1960s onward..

there was nothing about flowers in the books so i'm confused by that comment:confused:

i don't believe you've ever read the books at all..you have never glanced in them..not read a word...how do i know?

you see when you reach 5D as i have..with the expanded consciousness you acquire certain skills of detection...i know things instinctively with no doubts...i know you have never read any word in the books..

you know i'm correct now and you're feeling a bit "caught in your lies"..hahaha:D

agate

26-10-2007, 05:50 PM

bigus_dickus

26-10-2007, 05:54 PM

what you say to me you only say to yourself..

it only has to do with yourself..

you talking to me?

alleendewaarheid

26-10-2007, 08:11 PM

you talking to me?

why don't you go back to my response and you'll see i quoted you before responding:rolleyes:

bigus dickus but not bigus brain :D

sorry couldn't help it...;)

alleendewaarheid

26-10-2007, 08:20 PM

Hi guys,

Stay calmly;)

I think what we are doing here, is not to separate but to unite together, which means trying to pick up and find out all the same point of views. The whole world was separated into the western and the eastern before. I think it's time and we should have the accountability to unite the whole world to a peaceful direction. I'm from China and I have the confidence.

Also it's time to create more new ideas but not keep following the old works from "famous writers" (to themselves as well). We should be brave to respect our instinct or intuition, that's the most valuable thing we need to accept.

this discussion has nothing to do with china, confidence or western versus eastern.

points of view have no discussion in regards to the ALL THAT IS...knowingness comes from within so discussion of your knowingness is pointless..someone else's point of view on the All That Is is meaningless..there only IS or the way that it IS

channelings from the higher realms from the 1960s or the 1880s know no time...linear time makes no difference in the higher realms...real channelings are neither old or new since there is no such thing as time..past, present and future run concurrently.

there is no need to accept or be brave. there is only inner knowingness!

agate

26-10-2007, 10:46 PM

this discussion has nothing to do with china, confidence or western versus eastern.

points of view have no discussion in regards to the ALL THAT IS...knowingness comes from within so discussion of your knowingness is pointless..someone else's point of view on the All That Is is meaningless..there only IS or the way that it IS

channelings from the higher realms from the 1960s or the 1880s know no time...linear time makes no difference in the higher realms...real channelings are neither old or new since there is no such thing as time..past, present and future run concurrently.

there is no need to accept or be brave. there is only inner knowingness!

I don't deny anyone's points here, even I've known a lot more than anybody here on the 2012 stuffs and how the universe works from each big bang cycle and more and more...... than anyone(human) on this planet!

I also know everyone here knows a lot on many fields, but do you ever think of others, who were not even aware of these coming realities? I don't want to leave anyone in the world who are still hard looking for the answer of why they were created like this and where to go. If we don't care about them, there would probably be only 1% Ascension someday, and that's why I prefer to uniting more than separating the individuals!
We can make it here, I call all of these "CONFIDENCE".

lostinstrangeworld

26-10-2007, 11:08 PM

agate

27-10-2007, 03:39 AM

To know true "knowingness", while in a human body, you would really need to be a Master.

So many people I've met, easily confuse their imaginations.....with true knowingness.

There is a difference.

That's why it's a good thing not to judge other people until you have walked 1000 miles in their shoes/ moccasins. ;)

Can't agree more... I've experienced a lot of "shoes", it was so painful to my brain, real pain~~~:( ......But now, I know, nobody would experience that any more...for I've conquered it(which I like to call "The Black") in the God consciousness.

infinitely free

27-10-2007, 04:36 PM

numbers do not exist outside of the human mind. the planet is not in 3D or 4D or 99D, the planet (and all of us) are in every dimension possible to exist.

it's like saying that you exist on the earth and not yet in the galaxy or the universe. when you say "we exist in 3D" and we aspire to go to 4D or 9D, it's like saying that you exist on the planet earth and you aspire to exist in the sun and then in the galaxy. but you already exist everywhere, in all possible dimensions, in all possible supersets.

I think i see what you mean!

infinitely free

27-10-2007, 04:43 PM

The only thing that really concerns me about David Wilcock's website is the emphasis on karma, which David Icke has explained is part of the illusion that keeps us imprisoned (we can perpetuate the suffering by the belief in it)......when, as the astrologer Linda Goodman said Love has the power to overcome all odds. It can even eliminate power Therefore, true spiritual knowledge, love, can set us all free.

The other thing that I'm a little dubious about is that we are supposed to be going to the 4th dimension when ascension takes place. David Wilcock explained in the Project Camelot interview that this has both a positive and negative aspect to it, with us going into the positive. ARIZONA WILDER talked about the 4th dimension as being the place where the reptilians originate and operate their control from.

I'll keep an open mind though.

I do not doubt David Wilcock's own sincerity, however, I am suspicious of the dreams he mentioned with beings in them in white robes appearing from flying saucers.

The Mormon Church, a front for the Illuminati, was also founded through one of these white robed beings, Moroni, who appeared to their prophet/ puppet, Joseph Smith.
I dont believe true knowledge is either spiritual or material! but yes - it does set you free!

I also believe that dimensions are just separate 'illusions'

Also, you can't just post almost anything you want, as you can with this website. It is all very tightly controlled and everything is read by the moderators before it even comes up.........Sorry, you mean in david wilcocks website...?

alleendewaarheid

27-10-2007, 11:32 PM

hi guys and gals,

i'm an ascended master and as you would call it "ancient one"..

i am just here to help...that's it!

agate

28-10-2007, 12:06 AM

hi guys and gals,

i'm an ascended master and as you would call it "ancient one"..

i am just here to help...that's it!

Welcome here, we love to know your NEW ideas of everything.:)
Let's work together.

alleendewaarheid

28-10-2007, 12:48 AM

sorry i'm a bit too direct for people and i lose patience..

i hope i can help

i must go to bed..

love,bryan

lizzy

28-10-2007, 01:51 AM

i'm here to speak to people and not to listen

you have absolutely nothing you can teach me.

what i say is the way it is - no discussion.

we all are one and come from the same energy but the energy has different energetic levels..that's the way it is!

Do you levitiate, use telepathy or have healing hands? Thankyou.

agate

28-10-2007, 03:48 AM

sorry i'm a bit too direct for people and i lose patience..

i hope i can help

i must go to bed..

love,bryan

Anyways, you have the right to live as an impatient Master.:)
Take care.

alleendewaarheid

28-10-2007, 03:05 PM

Do you levitiate, use telepathy or have healing hands? Thankyou.

no levitation..telepathy with animals and babies..

funny you mention healing hands..yes..i can heal people..that's another positive from ascension..also i look much younger than my age and i haven't been sick in years...that's something everyone will experience..looking younger and no illness..that applies to all of you..

my talent is premonitions..i usually know things before they happen..

everyone has talents..you probably also..you just need to develop it once you know what it is..

the gifts will develop the further along we all go in this ascension process..

you will also be able to do things yourself...by 2012 you'll be amazed by what has changed with you and others and the planet

love and peace!

alleendewaarheid

28-10-2007, 03:06 PM

Anyways, you have the right to live as an impatient Master.:)
Take care.

thanks...

i've gotta realize that everyone is on their own path and everyone has their own truth at the moment and i need to respect their path and truth.

very impatient master...sounds like S & M..hmmm

love, bryan

agate

29-10-2007, 09:36 PM

thanks...

i've gotta realize that everyone is on their own path and everyone has their own truth at the moment and i need to respect their path and truth.

very impatient master...sounds like S & M..hmmm

love, bryan

To be real patient or real confident, you have to conquer the process of mentally "S & M". :) Try it out!

agate

01-11-2007, 03:36 PM

The flying LIZARDs in Arizona are our high-level FRIENDS all the time!

Take a look my following analyse:
UFO culture-1
http://h1.ripway.com/agate/Forum/humanoid-3EN.jpg

UFO culture-2 Hopi history (http://www.crystalinks.com/hopi.html)

http://h1.ripway.com/agate/Forum/humanoid-4EN.jpg

Combining with the western and eastern culture, I want to say, we were being tested on how to conquer the illusion by the reptilians. Also they love us and helped our ancestors to live longer and happier, that's why only the real brave people can see them through naked eyes, for their DNA have taken some illnesses as illusions, which they probably didn't know (i.e. the camera man 'Jeff') yet without getting vaccinated. But I do think it's time for us and for them as well, to conquer the illusion together, for they still can not find a best way to stop the illusion from us right away. Only we can make it, we've grown up!:D
I'll keep on my opinions on more things here.:)

infinitely free

01-11-2007, 11:26 PM

Combining with the western and eastern culture, I want to say, we were being tested on how to conquer the illusion by the reptilians. Also they love us and helped our ancestors to live longer and happier, that's why only the real brave people can see them through naked eyes, for their DNA have taken some illnesses as illusions, which they probably didn't know (i.e. the camera man 'Jeff') yet without getting vaccinated. But I do think it's time for us and for them as well, to conquer the illusion together, for they still can not find a best way to stop the illusion from us right away. [B]Only we can make it, we've grown up!:D
I'll keep on my opinions on more things here.:)

So, how about all the chemtrail activities? Is it them that are doing it? What do you think, agate?

agate

02-11-2007, 03:26 PM

So, how about all the chemtrail activities? Is it them that are doing it? What do you think, agate?

It's my first time to focus on the chemtrail phenomenon, even I originally thought it was just a type of the contrail. But now, it has been described in so many different editions with their "logical ideas". And most of them are brought to people too much negative directions to focus on.

ufo - YouTube

From the above video clip, we should consider if the UFO can go with its contrail, then any high-speed jet plane will definitely fly with its contrail as well. This is the most positive idea that I prefer to advice to those confused people.

i.e. Even if the contrail is used as a (wireless)"cord"for secret communication purpose for real, I still believe in any positive tentative answer for that, which can be explained by the protection of our living entironment, for most of the people do not know their enormous DNA functions and how the positive ideas would trigger the DNA function to help them make lives better but not worse. If one day we know every function of our DNA, we can make anything happen. Actually we are practising these now, and as long as we keep learning how to take any negative info or idea as the illusions which can be conquered by our own positive thoughts,these kind of info will naturally all disappear little by little.

There's another thing we have to do to build people's real confidence, which is to find out more missing joints or links of the separated world pieces, for people always wants to circle around before the real self appears.
I think we should work on that for the rest.

infinitely free

03-11-2007, 08:31 PM

thanks agate!
---------------------

"The discovery of truth is prevented more effectively, not by the false appearance things present and which mislead into error, not directly by weakness of the reasoning powers, but by preconceived opinion, by prejudice."

When Astronomers Fall Into A Black Hole (http://www.rense.com/general78/rdod.htm)

agate

04-11-2007, 12:57 AM

thanks agate!
---------------------

When Astronomers Fall Into A Black Hole (http://www.rense.com/general78/rdod.htm)

WOW, I should say MANY THANKS for that link (http://www.rense.com/general78/rdod.htm). Their are lots of "missing links" in that website

lostinstrangeworld

04-11-2007, 12:09 PM

agate

04-11-2007, 12:29 PM

I'm still intrigued by David Wilcock's website and I wouldn't put it down. The Law Of One series explains in much more depth what karma really is, and how it can be transcended, etc.

I don't know about the 4th dimension but I feel I am going to the fith. :D ;)

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=uONF0zJz2Oo

http://milla.wedjat.ru/Fifth_element/0710.jpg

Believe it or not, the karma is yourself, myself,herself,himself. I'll find out more evidence to let people understand that, for people are still not brave enough to accept positive ideas or results "at once".
Try to believe in the 5th Dimension is the first step to be brave to accept more postive ideas, even if you have to deny your last opinion someday for a better "dream", but I think that is the right way to find out the truth, and I'm a good example for that.
Keep going!:)

infinitely free

04-11-2007, 01:02 PM

What would we have dimensions for, anyway? :)

agate

04-11-2007, 01:45 PM

What would we have dimensions for, anyway? :)

For those who still believe in it, and those who should "forget" it soon .;)

infinitely free

04-11-2007, 04:22 PM

For those who still believe in it, and those who should "forget" it soon .;)

I dont believe in dimensions :rolleyes:, that much...
------------------

Anyway...
I am guessing, you guys have all reawaken your 'psychic abilities' (or most of us - taking part in this thread)

David wilcock does consider the 'future'! Well, time is illusion, but this 'reality' still still supports time.

So, I've been getting some strange 'vibrations'!
I just wanted to ask whether any of you get the Sense of Nothingness, about the 'Future' (within this 'reality')? I am getting that, and it's strange :rolleyes:

I dont want to say that there would be some Apocalytic End... I'm far from it! But, I am not actually getting any 'feedback', from the 'future', at all!

infinitely free

04-11-2007, 04:39 PM

'The clockwork universe (http://www.davidicke.com/content/section/6/83/)'

This is one of the most exciting moments in scientific history as we are about to breakthrough into a new paradigm. For the last few centuries we have been living with a scientific paradigm without a soul, with a worldview that sees the universe as a machine made of small parts. The idea is that if we understand the parts of the machine we can understand the whole. This is known as reductionism.

' The story so far (http://www.davidicke.com/content/section/6/83/)'

This process of creation and evolution, we are told, has enabled us to be able to examine our universe and use computers like then one you are using now.

'The Mirror Cracks (http://www.davidicke.com/content/section/6/83/)'

There are just a few problems with these ideas. The deeper we look into our world, the more it seems that reality does not behave in the way we expect. I’m going to summarise and highlight just a few of these areas here.

infinitely free

04-11-2007, 04:43 PM

WOW, I should say MANY THANKS for that link (http://www.rense.com/general78/rdod.htm). Their are lots of "missing links" in that website

I am going to outline what I call the Black Hole Principle here, in what will be the new framework with which to view the astrophysics data that will be posted to this site. We have discussed how the ‘darkest’ areas of our universe could in fact be beyond our normal perception and areas of very bright light. ...
Black Hole Principle

What I am proposing in Punk Science is that we have got the story of the universe all wrong and that is why, when we look at the evidence, there are so many gaping holes in it (no pun intended). Black holes are not the end points of stars, they are the creative force of a universe that did not appear in a Big Bang, but is being created at every moment and at every level from the light of infinity.

http://www.davidicke.com/content/section/6/83/

This 'reality' may be 'heading' towards a black hole... I am judging by the vibrations I am actually (not) getting... !

agate

04-11-2007, 08:17 PM

I am guessing, you guys have all reawaken your 'psychic abilities' (or most of
I just wanted to ask whether any of you get the Sense of Nothingness, about the 'Future' (within this 'reality')? I am getting that, and it's strange :rolleyes:

I dont want to say that there would be some Apocalytic End... I'm far from it! But, I am not actually getting any 'feedback', from the 'future', at all!

I always have a feeling of nothingness of my far future since I was young. But I do have a sense of digging something out in the future, like something is always attracting me in somewhere far away from my hometown......

I think that all of these feelings are telling us only we can and we have to create the unknown (beautiful) future.

lostinstrangeworld

04-11-2007, 10:24 PM

lostinstrangeworld

04-11-2007, 10:25 PM

CREATION!

agate

05-11-2007, 01:06 AM

I would like to point out here that words are limited. Many of you keep talking of such and such as an "illusion", but what does illusion really mean?

All matter is energy. The illusion is energy.

I thought people have known what the illusion is before...
Well, let me explain it in a scientific way.

Illusion = Colour+Colourless

Different "COLOUR" comes from different spectral analysis, which is also represented by different frequency of light. (i.e. Any substance that can be seen by eyes is composed of colours.)

The "COLOURLESS" comes from the spectral analysis which can not be seen by eyes,which is also represented by different frequency of wave.(i.e. The sound.)

In Buddhism culture, it's very hard to make people understand why "The color is the empty, the empty is the color".

Also in Taoism, to be a real Taoist, people has to conquer the sense of the "colour" , the "colourless" and the "desire"(that can be explained by a certain consciousness energy or wave).

Of course the illusion is all about the creation of ourselves, for our DNA function has the ability to form any reality.

mountain

05-11-2007, 07:53 PM

I always have a feeling of nothingness of my far future since I was young. But I do have a sense of digging something out in the future, like something is always attracting me in somewhere far away from my hometown......

I think that all of these feelings are telling us only we can and we have to create the unknown (beautiful) future.

I agree with you friend.

mountain

05-11-2007, 07:57 PM

Love this song! About Age of Aquarius and awakening!
YouTube - Broadcast Yourself.

Title: The B-52's - Channel Z lyrics

Artist: The B-52's

Visitors: 204 visitors have hited Channel Z Lyrics since Feb 12, 2007.

Print: The B-52's - Channel Z Lyrics print version

I am livin' on Channel Z
Getting nothing but static, getting nothing but static
Static in my attic from Channel Z
Getting nothing but static, getting nothing but static.
Static filling my attic from Channel Z

I don't know---I feel like something's happening
Something good is happening!
I feel love has got to come on, and I want it
Something big and lovely

I want the world to change for me! Gotta get away
Away from Z---Living on the edge of Z
Space junk---laser bombs---ozone holes
Better put up my umbrella!
Giant stacks blowin' smoke
Politicrits pushin' dope

All I know---we've got to change what's happening
Something good could happen
I feel light has got to come through---and I need it
Something big and lovely

I want the world to change for me---gotta get away---away from Z
Living on the edge of Z
Waste dumps---toxic fog---irradiate---and keep it fresh forever
Good old boys---tellin' lies
'Bout time---I got wise
Getting nothing but static
Static in my attic from Channel Z

Gotta tune in---pico waves. Gotta tune out---PCB's
Gotta tune in---market crash. Gotta tune out---polar shift
Gotta tune in---narrow minds. Gotta tune out---space junk

Gotta tune in---pico waves. Gotta tune out---PCB's
Gotta tune in---market crash. Gotta tune out---polar shift
Gotta tune in---narrow minds. Gotta tune out---space junk
Gotta tune in---bombs. Gotta turn out---atomic lasers falling from the sky

Where's my umbrella?
Gonna shoot that static down the drain
Gonna put that static out of my brain
Gonna put up my antennae. FREE!

Hamburger ads!---Pop up in my head---
On the edge of Aquarius---I'm living on the edge
Secret wars!---Take my money away!

I know I feel a change is happening---Something good will happen
I feel love is coming on strong, and I want it
We can make it happen

I want the world to change for me---gotta get away---away from Z
Living on the edge of Aquarius---ZZZZZZZZ

Channel Z's all static all day forever---time to open your windows,
Let in better weather

The hottest songs from The B-52's

agate

06-11-2007, 06:49 PM

Love this song! About Age of Aquarius and awakening!

Title: The B-52's - Channel Z lyrics
Artist: The B-52's
Visitors: 204 visitors have hited Channel Z Lyrics since Feb 12, 2007.
Print: The B-52's - Channel Z Lyrics print version
I am livin' on Channel Z
....................................
I want the world to change for me! Gotta get away

The hottest songs from The B-52's

Interesting! why do they put the "Z" after the "Channel"?:rolleyes:

agate

10-11-2007, 01:27 PM

Language: Chinese and English are the SAME!

According to my research, it's my honor to explain the basic language (pronunciation) connection between Chinese(Mandarin) and English.

After the first group of mainkind were created for certain purpose, they were taught to speak and write for communication. The original voice came from their vibrated vocal cords and mostly came out of their mouth, but the language needs to be separated for different meanings and words, then they were taught to use the tongue, teeth, nose and lips to create different pronunciation for different words. Now, we should find out the connections among all kinds of languages, which is to speak out any word without any consonant(by openning the lips and teeth). In another word, we have the same (modified) guttural consonant and vowel on Chinese and English.

http://h1.ripway.com/agate/Forum/words.gif

agate

15-11-2007, 04:11 PM

The spiral energy field creates the electromagnetic field

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Plasma_ball

http://img115.imageshack.us/img115/8483/plasmaennv3.jpg

http://img108.imageshack.us/img108/6011/spiralenyt2.jpg

Now, I want to redefine the PLASMA, which is a testing space for someone who wants to see the real shape of the spiral energy and how it forms the electromagnetic field. The spiral energy field is like a channel or a tube; the magnetic field is like the "shell" of the channel that can lead and protect the free ion moving towards the right direction. As we know in the world, the human DNA can emit the spiral energy, so the best controller of the spiral energy is human's consciousness."The karma" (http://www.davidicke.com/forum/showthread.php?t=11184&page=7#63) that I made before, can explain how the spiral energy controller(human's consciousness) works.

Now, open your mind, then so many myths can be explained by the spiral energy, e.i.Chinese Qi-Gong.

lateral_v

17-11-2007, 07:01 AM

All I can say after watching these, is basically, Wow.

I highly recommend the videos on this link.

http://www.divinecosmos.com/index.php?option=com_content&task=view&id=356&Itemid=70

Thanx alot my friend. You know it is a good thing to watch and read about dark things, in the end it nourishes us as well, BUT it is WONDERFUL nay.....it is OUTTA THIS WORLD AND ABSOLUTELY AMAZING!!! to be inspired and to be encourage by these MESSENGERS of LIGHT.....!!! :p

You can say it again ......wow.......:D

lostinstrangeworld

17-11-2007, 06:39 PM

Thanx alot my friend. You know it is a good thing to watch and read about dark things, in the end it nourishes us as well, BUT it is WONDERFUL nay.....it is OUTTA THIS WORLD AND ABSOLUTELY AMAZING!!! to be inspired and to be encourage by these MESSENGERS of LIGHT.....!!! :p

You can say it again ......wow.......:D

Yeah, I tend to doubt things even after I've been blown away by them- that's how skeptical I am....

However........

I think now is the time, for me anyway....to stop listening to the confusion of the mind/ matrix....

and just follow the true part of my heart.

(If that makes sense). :) :p

Infinite Love

to all

lateral_v

19-11-2007, 08:34 AM

agate

19-11-2007, 04:33 PM

Highly recommended !(The Game......)

The Rules of the Game: DVD 01-02 The Game of the GoldRing Begins - YouTube

OR

http://video.google.com/videoplay?docid=-4761124790008939819

seer74

19-11-2007, 06:09 PM

Ascension will not come to us. Ascension is right in front of us NOW just waiting to be embraced.
I do believe SOMETHING will happen in 2012, though i do not claim to know what. I do feel very strongly however what (more importantly) will NOT
happen ON or AFTER that date. The answer to that great question is ASCENSION!!!!
Ascension is not a process that takes time nor is it some event that we can look forward in time to. It is something that will happen when we see that the door is and has always been open, and we take that step of faith through the open door - as a conscious, voluntary act. It will take place in the blink of an eye, or not at all!
What IS a process of time is the Prison Warders effort to lock consciousness up in this illusion forever.
I believe the idea that 2012 is the time of ascension is NWO trick.
I think that way back when they first set to work to imprison our consiousness they figured out how long it would take to build a prison from which we cannot escape. I believe they determined 2012 and planted the idea that this would be the time of ascension with the intent that You and I believe this and wait for Ascension to come to us untill it is finally too late!!! The final bricks are being placed in The Wall as we speak. No, the world will not end in 2012, but our opportunity WILL!!!!
ASCENSION NOW!!!
synchronicitys, time speeding up, deja vu, and various other such anomaly also tend to accompany upgrades in the matrix. As such they should not be percieved as an awakening "process" they should, yes be taken as prompts to see that we can leave this illusion at any time and DO IT!(They are consciousness prodding us to wake up before the upgrade is made and awakening becomes all the more difficult)But to take them as actually part of the "process" of ascension or awakening
is foolishness. If you do then you will remain in this matrix, with a truly diabolical upgrade to your illusion, a PREMATURE belief that one has already been awakened.

I've never ascended. Can't describe what its like on the other side of that door. But I HAVE experienced all these "signs" time and time again all my life, and i DO KNOW what they do and DO NOT mean!!!

How many people live in this dream world under the delusion they are "awakened"? Perhaps soon, enough people will be "awakened" (BECOME!!!) that the next phase of world domination can proceed under the ILLUSION of its own defeat - a device used by the Order time and time again throughout history from the Fall of Rome, to the "disbanding" of the Knights Templar, to the American Revolution, to the Trials at Nuremberg. Leave this Dream World before it too late!!!

drael

22-11-2007, 05:50 AM

Have U noticed that the moon is upside down,
Have U noticed that theres less stars around,
Have U noticed that your feet are wet,
Have U noticed yet?

eternal_spirit

22-11-2007, 10:03 AM

http://www.mt.net/%7Ewatcher/aionsuntelia.gif
2012 The End of the Age The Greeks called the End of the Age the SUNTELIA AION (http://bible.crosswalk.com/OnlineStudyBible/bible.cgi?word=Matthew+24%3A3&section=0&version=str&new=1&showtools=1&oq=&NavBook=mt&NavGo=24&NavCurrentChapter=24) Ancient historians and especially Plato referred to a cycle of catastrophe at the End of the Age. (http://exodus2006.com/plato.htm) The AION was symbolized by the Ouroboros. The Milky Way Galaxy is the inspiration for the symbol of the Ouroboros. Myth refers to a serpent of light residing in the heavens. The Milky Way is this serpent, and viewed at galactic central point near sagittarius, this serpent eats its own tail.
http://www.mt.net/%7Ewatcher/milkywayserpent.jpg The Milky Way galaxy keeps a great time cycle that ends in catastrophic change. The sign of the SUNTELIA AION is the sun rising out of the mouth of the ouroboros, which will occur on the solstice December 2012.

http://www.mt.net/%7Ewatcher/00davelecture2005.jpg David Flynn 's book "Cydonia: the Secret Chronicles of Mars" and his DVD lectures from the annual Roswell UFOs & the Bible Conference reveal: 2012 significance the great Cosmic Clock embodied in the symbol the Ouroboros
"the gods" who walked the earth in the ages before Adam
the nephilim of Genesis 6 and the technology & wisdom they imparted to humankind
the distinctly Martian Cydonian influence on human civilization
megaliths magick & the meaning behind the esoteric tenet "As Above, So Below"
33 & 2012 -- freemason symbols mystery schools & the modern alchememy of NASA

eternal_spirit

22-11-2007, 10:04 AM

http://www.mt.net/~watcher/

feelingpeachy

25-09-2008, 02:32 PM

For we are sharing the same "God consciousness", the more you believe in your intuition, the more information you will get from the source.:)

I second that! Beautifully and simply put, Agate...
Feelingpeachy :)

agate

16-06-2009, 04:04 PM

I second that! Beautifully and simply put, Agate...
Feelingpeachy :)

Thank you :) friend.

I've got new ideas to explain the "God consciousness", please take a look:

http://www.davidicke.com/forum/showthread.php?t=67032

agate

21-06-2009, 06:15 AM

There are various versions of Tao Te Ching (Lao Tzu). But as a Chinese,I love this one the best.

One

The Tao that can be told is not the eternal Tao.
The name that can be named is not the eternal name.
The nameless is the beginning of heaven and Earth.
The named is the mother of the ten thousand things.
Ever desireless, one can see the mystery.
Ever desiring, one sees the manifestations.
These two spring from the same source but differ in name; this appears as darkness.
Darkness within darkness.
The gate to all mystery.

Two

Under heaven all can see beauty as beauty only because there is ugliness.
All can know good as good only because there is evil.

Therefore having and not having arise together.
Difficult and easy complement each other.
Long and short contrast each other:
High and low rest upon each other;
Voice and sound harmonize each other;
Front and back follow one another.

Therefore the sage goes about doing nothing, teaching no-talking.
The ten thousand things rise and fall without cease,
Creating, yet not.
Working, yet not taking credit.
Work is done, then forgotten.
Therefore it lasts forever.

Three

Not exalting the gifted prevents quarreling.
Not collecting treasures prevents stealing.
Not seeing desirable things prevents confusion of the heart.

The wise therefore rule by emptying hearts and stuffing bellies, by weakening ambitions and strengthening bones.
If men lack knowledge and desire, then clever people will not try to interfere.
If nothing is done, then all will be well.

Four

The Tao is an empty vessel; it is used, but never filled.
Oh, unfathomable source of ten thousand things!
Blunt the sharpness,
Untangle the knot,
Soften the glare,
Merge with dust.
Oh, hidden deep but ever present!
I do not know from whence it comes.
It is the forefather of the gods.

Five

Heaven and Earth are impartial;
They see the ten thousand things as straw dogs.
The wise are impartial;
They see the people as straw dogs.

The space between heaven and Earth is like a bellows.
The shape changes but not the form;
The more it moves, the more it yields.
More words count less.
Hold fast to the center.

Six

The valley spirit never dies;
It is the woman, primal mother.
Her gateway is the root of heaven and Earth.
It is like a veil barely seen.
Use it; it will never fail.

Seven

Heaven and Earth last forever.
Why do heaven and Earth last forever?
They are unborn,
So ever living.
The sage stays behind, thus he is ahead.
He is detached, thus at one with all.
Through selfless action, he attains fulfillment.

Eight

The highest good is like water.
Water give life to the ten thousand things and does not strive.
It flows in places men reject and so is like the Tao.

In dwelling, be close to the land.
In meditation, go deep in the heart.
In dealing with others, be gentle and kind.
In speech, be true.
In ruling, be just.
In daily life, be competent.
In action, be aware of the time and the season.

No fight: No blame.

Nine

Better to stop short than fill to the brim.
Oversharpen the blade, and the edge will soon blunt.
Amass a store of gold and jade, and no one can protect it.
Claim wealth and titles, and disaster will follow.
Retire when the work is done.
This is the way of heaven.

Ten

Carrying body and soul and embracing the one,
Can you avoid separation?
Attending fully and becoming supple,
Can you be as a newborn babe?
Washing and cleansing the primal vision,
Can you be without stain?
Loving all men and ruling the country,
Can you be without cleverness?
Opening and closing the gates of heaven,
Can you play the role of woman?
Understanding and being open to all things,
Are you able to do nothing?
Giving birth and nourishing,
Bearing yet not possessing,
Working yet not taking credit,
Leading yet not dominating,
This is the Primal Virtue.

agate

21-06-2009, 06:17 AM

Eleven

Thirty spokes share the wheel's hub;
It is the center hole that makes it useful.
Shape clay into a vessel;
It is the space within that makes it useful.
Cut doors and windows for a room;
It is the holes which make it useful.
Therefore benefit comes from what is there;
Usefulness from what is not there.

Twelve

The five colors blind the eye.
The five tones deafen the ear.
The five flavors dull the taste.
Racing and hunting madden the mind.
Precious things lead one astray.

Therefore the sage is guided by what he feels and not by what he sees.
He lets go of that and chooses this.

Thirteen

Accept disgrace willingly.
Accept misfortune as the human condition.

What do you mean by "Accept disgrace willingly"?
Accept being unimportant.
Do not be concerned with loss or gain.
This is called "accepting disgrace willingly."

What do you mean by "Accept misfortune as the human condition"?
Misfortune comes from having a body.
Without a body, how could there be misfortune?

Surrender yourself humbly; then you can be trusted to care for all things.
Love the world as your own self; then you can truly care for all things.

Fourteen

Look, it cannot be seen - it is beyond form.
Listen, it cannot be heard - it is beyond sound.
Grasp, it cannot be held - it is intangible.
These three are indefinable;
Therefore they are joined in one.

From above it is not bright;
From below it is not dark:
An unbroken thread beyond description.
It returns to nothingness.
The form of the formless,
The image of the imageless,
It is called indefinable and beyond imagination.

Stand before it and there is no beginning.
Follow it and there is no end.
Stay with the ancient Tao,
Move with the present.

Knowing the ancient beginning is the essence of Tao.

Fifteen

The ancient masters were subtle, mysterious, profound, responsive.
The depth of their knowledge is unfathomable.
Because it is unfathomable,
All we can do is describe their appearance.
Watchful, like men crossing a winter stream.
Alert, like men aware of danger.
Courteous, like visiting guests.
Yielding like ice about to melt.
Simple, like uncarved blocks of wood.
Hollow, like caves.
Opaque, like muddy pools.

Who can wait quietly while the mud settles?
Who can remain still until the moment of action?
Observers of the Tao do not seek fulfillment.
Not seeking fulfillment, they are not swayed by desire for change.

Sixteen

Empty yourself of everything.
Let the mind become still.
The ten thousand things rise and fall while the Self watches their return.
They grow and flourish and then return to the source.
Returning to the source is stillness, which is the way of nature.
The way of nature is unchanging.
Knowing constancy is insight.
Not knowing constancy leads to disaster.
Knowing constancy, the mind is open.
With an open mind, you will be openhearted.
Being openhearted, you will act royally.
Being royal, you will attain the divine.
Being divine, you will be at one with the Tao.
Being at one with the Tao is eternal.
And though the body dies, the Tao will never pass away.

Seventeen

The very highest if barely known.
Then comes that which people know and love.
Then that which is feared,
Then that which is despised.

Who does not trust enough will not be trusted.

When actions are performed
Without unnecessary speech,
People say, "We did it!"

Eighteen

When the great Tao is forgotten,
Kindness and morality arise.
When wisdom and intelligence are born,
The great pretense begins.

When there is no peace within the family,
Filial piety and devotion arise.
When the country is confused and in chaos,
Loyal ministers appear.

Nineteen

Give up sainthood, renounce wisdom,
And it will be a hundred times better for everyone.

Give up kindness, renounce morality,
And men will rediscover filial piety and love.

Give up ingenuity, renounce profit,
And bandits and thieves will disappear.

These three are outward forms alone; they are not sufficient in themselves.
It is more important
To see the simplicity,
To realize one's true nature,
To cast off selfishness
And temper desire.

Twenty

Give up learning, and put an end to your troubles.

Is there a difference between yes and no?
Is there a difference between good and evil?
Must I fear what others fear? What nonsense!
Other people are contented, enjoying the sacrificial feast of the ox.
In spring some go to the park, and climb the terrace,
But I alone am drifting, not knowing where I am.
Like a newborn babe before it learns to smile,
I am alone, without a place to go.
Others have more than they need, but I alone have nothing.
I am a fool. Oh, yes! I am confused.
Others are clear and bright,
But I alone am dim and weak.
Others are sharp and clever,
But I alone am dull and stupid.
Oh, I drift like the waves of the sea,
Without direction, like the restless wind.
Everyone else is busy,
But I alone am aimless and depressed.
I am different.
I am nourished by the great mother.

agate

21-06-2009, 06:17 AM

Twenty-one

The greatest Virtue is to follow Tao and Tao alone.
The Tao is elusive and intangible.
Oh, it is intangible and elusive, and yet within is image.
Oh, it is elusive and intangible, and yet within is form.
Oh, it is dim and dark, and yet within is essence.
This essence is very real, and therein lies faith.
From the very beginning until now its name has never been forgotten.
Thus I perceive the creation.
How do I know the ways of creation?
Because of this.

Twenty-two

Yield and overcome;
Bend and be straight;
Empty and be full;
Wear out and be new;
Have little and gain;
Have much and be confused.

Therefore the wise embrace the one
And set an example to all.
Not putting on a display,
They shine forth.
Not justifying themselves,
They are distinguished.
Not boasting,
They receive recognition.
Not bragging,
They never falter.
They do not quarrel,
So no one quarrels with them.
Therefore the ancients say, "Yield and overcome."
Is that an empty saying?
Be really whole,
And all things will come to you.

Twenty-three

To talk little is natural.
High winds do not last all morning.
Heavy rain does not last all day.
Why is this? Heaven and Earth!
If heaven and Earth cannot make things eternal,
How is it possible for man?
He who follows the Tao
Is at one with the Tao.
He who is virtuous
Experiences Virtue.
He who loses the way
Is lost.
When you are at one with the Tao,
The Tao welcomes you.
When you are at one with Virtue,
The Virtue is always there.
When you are at one with loss,
The loss is experienced willingly.

He who does not trust enough
Will not be trusted.

Twenty-four

He who stands on tiptoe is not steady.
He who strides cannot maintain the pace.
He who makes a show is not enlightened.
He who is self-righteous is not respected.
He who boasts achieves nothing.
He who brags will not endure.
According to followers of the Tao, "These are extra food and unnecessary luggage."
They do not bring happiness.
therefore followers of the Tao avoid them.

Twenty-five

Something mysteriously formed,
Born before heaven and Earth.
In the silence and the void,
Standing alone and unchanging,
Ever present and in motion.
Perhaps it is the mother of ten thousand things.
I do not know its name
Call it Tao.
For lack of a better word, I call it great.

Being great, it flows
I flows far away.
Having gone far, it returns.

Therefore, "Tao is great;
Heaven is great;
Earth is great;
The king is also great."
These are the four great powers of the universe,
And the king is one of them.

Man follows Earth.
Earth follows heaven.
Heaven follows the Tao.
Tao follows what is natural.

Twenty-six

The heavy is the root of the light.
The still is the master of unrest.

Therefore the sage, traveling all day,
Does not lose sight of his baggage.
Though there are beautiful things to be seen,
He remains unattached and calm.

Why should the lord of ten thousand chariots act lightly in public?
To be light is to lose one's root.
To be restless is to lose one's control.

Twenty-seven

A good walker leaves no tracks;
A good speaker makes no slips;
A good reckoner needs no tally.
A good door needs no lock,
Yet no one can open it.
Good binding requires no knots,
Yet no one can loosen it.

Therefore the sage takes care of all men
And abandons no one.
He takes care of all things
And abandons nothing.

This is called "following the light."

What is a good man?
A teacher of a bad man.
What is a bad man?
A good man's charge.
If the teacher is not respected,
And the student not cared for,
Confusion will arise, however clever one is.
This is the crux of mystery.

Twenty-eight

Know the strength of man,
But keep a woman's care!
Be the stream of the universe!
Being the stream of the universe,
Ever true and unswerving,
Become as a little child once more.

Know the white,
But keep the black!
Be an example to the world!
Being an example to the world,
Ever true and unwavering,
Return to the infinite.

Know honor,
Yet keep humility.
Be the valley of the universe!
Being the valley of the universe,
Ever true and resourceful,
Return to the state of the uncarved block.

When the block is carved, it becomes useful.
When the sage uses it, he becomes the ruler.
Thus, "A great tailor cuts little."

Twenty-nine

Do you think you can take over the universe and improve it?
I do not believe it can be done.

The universe is sacred.
You cannot improve it.
If you try to change it, you will ruin it.
If you try to hold it, you will lose it.

So sometimes things are ahead and sometimes they are behind;
Sometimes breathing is hard, sometimes it comes easily;
Sometimes there is strength and sometimes weakness;
Sometimes one is up and sometimes down.

Therefore the sage avoids extremes, excesses, and complacency.

Thirty

Whenever you advise a ruler in the way of Tao,
Counsel him not to use force to conquer the universe.
For this would only cause resistance.
Thorn bushes spring up wherever the army has passed.
Lean years follow in the wake of a great war.
Just do what needs to be done.
Never take advantage of power.

Achieve results,
But never glory in them.
Achieve results,
But never boast.
Achieve results,
But never be proud.
Achieve results,
Because this is the natural way.
Achieve results,
But not through violence.

Force is followed by loss of strength.
This is not the way of Tao.
That which goes against the Tao comes to an early end.

agate

21-06-2009, 06:18 AM

Thirty-one

Good weapons are instruments of fear; all creatures hate them.
Therefore followers of Tao never use them.
The wise man prefers the left.
The man of war prefers the right.

Weapons are instruments of fear; they are not a wise man's tools.
He uses them only when he has no choice.
Peace and quiet are dear to his heart,
And victory no cause for rejoicing.
If you rejoice in victory, then you delight in killing;
If you delight in killing, you cannot fulfill yourself.

On happy occasions precedence is given to the left,
On sad occasions to the right.
In the army the general stands on the left,
The commander-in-chief on the right.
This means that war is conducted like a funeral.
When many people are being killed,
They should be mourned in heartfelt sorrow.
That is why a victory must be observed like a funeral.

Thirty-two

The Tao is forever undefined.
Small though it is in the unformed state, it cannot be grasped.
If kings and lords could harness it,
The ten thousand things would come together
And gentle rain fall.
Men would need no more instruction and all things would take their course.

Once the whole is divided, the parts need names.
There are already enough names.
One must know when to stop.
Knowing when to stop averts trouble.
Tao in the world is like a river flowing home to the sea.

Thirty-three

Knowing others is wisdom;
Knowing the self is enlightenment.
Mastering others requires force;
Mastering the self needs strength.

He who knows he has enough is rich.
Perseverance is a sign of willpower.
He who stays where he is endures.
To die but not to perish is to be eternally present.

Thirty-four

The great Tao flows everywhere, both to the left and to the right.
The ten thousand things depend upon it; it holds nothing back.
It fulfills its purpose silently and makes no claim.

It nourishes the ten thousand things,
And yet is not their lord.
It has no aim; it is very small.

The ten thousand things return to it,
Yet it is not their lord.
It is very great.

It does not show greatness,
And is therefore truly great.

Thirty-five

All men will come to him who keeps to the one,
For there lie rest and happiness and peace.

Passersby may stop for music and good food,
But a description of the Tao
Seems without substance or flavor.
It cannot be seen, it cannot be heard,
And yet it cannot be exhausted.

Thirty-six

That which shrinks
Must first expand.
That which fails
Must first be strong.
That which is cast down
Must first be raised.
Before receiving
There must be giving.

This is called perception of the nature of things.
Soft and weak overcome hard and strong.

Fish cannot leave deep waters,
And a country's weapons should not be displayed.

Thirty-seven

Tao abides in non-action,
Yet nothing is left undone.
If kings and lords observed this,
The ten thousand things would develop naturally.
If they still desired to act,
They would return to the simplicity of formless substance.
Without for there is no desire.
Without desire there is.
And in this way all things would be at peace.

Thirty-eight

A truly good man is not aware of his goodness,
And is therefore good.
A foolish man tries to be good,
And is therefore not good.

A truly good man does nothing,
Yet leaves nothing undone.
A foolish man is always doing,
Yet much remains to be done.

When a truly kind man does something, he leaves nothing undone.
When a just man does something, he leaves a great deal to be done.
When a disciplinarian does something and no one responds,
He rolls up his sleeves in an attempt to enforce order.

Therefore when Tao is lost, there is goodness.
When goodness is lost, there is kindness.
When kindness is lost, there is justice.
When justice is lost, there ritual.
Now ritual is the husk of faith and loyalty, the beginning of confusion.
Knowledge of the future is only a flowery trapping of Tao.
It is the beginning of folly.

Therefore the truly great man dwells on what is real and not what is on the surface,
On the fruit and not the flower.
Therefore accept the one and reject the other.

Thirty-nine

These things from ancient times arise from one:
The sky is whole and clear.
The earth is whole and firm.
The spirit is whole and strong.
The valley is whole and full.
The ten thousand things are whole and alive.
Kings and lords are whole, and the country is upright.
All these are in virtue of wholeness.

The clarity of the sky prevents its falling.
The firmness of the earth prevents its splitting.
The strength of the spirit prevents its being used up.
The fullness of the valley prevents its running dry.
The growth of the ten thousand things prevents their drying out.
The leadership of kings and lords prevents the downfall of the country.

Therefore the humble is the root of the noble.
The low is the foundation of the high.
Princes and lords consider themselves "orphaned", "widowed" and "worthless".
Do they not depend on being humble?

Too much success is not an advantage.
Do not tinkle like jade
Or clatter like stone chimes.

Forty

Returning is the motion of the Tao.
Yielding is the way of the Tao.
The ten thousand things are born of being.
Being is born of not being.

agate

21-06-2009, 06:19 AM

Forty-one

The wise student hears of the Tao and practices it diligently.
The average student hears of the Tao and gives it thought now and again.
The foolish student hears of the Tao and laughs aloud.
If there were no laughter, the Tao would not be what it is.

Hence it is said:
The bright path seems dim;
Going forward seems like retreat;
The easy way seems hard;
The highest Virtue seems empty;
Great purity seems sullied;
A wealth of Virtue seems inadequate;
The strength of Virtue seems frail;
Real Virtue seems unreal;
The perfect square has no corners;
Great talents ripen late;
The highest notes are hard to hear;
The greatest form has no shape;
The Tao is hidden and without name.
The Tao alone nourishes and brings everything to fulfillment.

Forty-two

The Tao begot one.
One begot two.
Two begot three.
And three begot the ten thousand things.

The ten thousand things carry yin and embrace yang.
They achieve harmony by combining these forces.

Men hate to be "orphaned," "widowed," or "worthless,"
But this is how kings and lords describe themselves.

For one gains by losing
And loses by gaining.

What others teach, I also teach; that is:
"A violent man will die a violent death!"
This will be the essence of my teaching.

Forty-three

The softest thing in the universe
Overcomes the hardest thing in the universe.
That without substance can enter where there is no room.
Hence I know the value of non-action.

Teaching without words and work without doing
Are understood by very few.

Forty-four

Fame or self: Which matters more?
Self or wealth: Which is more precious?
Gain or loss: Which is more painful?

He who is attached to things will suffer much.
He who saves will suffer heavy loss.
A contented man is never disappointed.
He who knows when to stop does not find himself in trouble.
He will stay forever safe.

Forty-five

Great accomplishment seems imperfect,
Yet it does not outlive its usefulness.
Great fullness seems empty,
Yet cannot be exhausted.

Great straightness seems twisted.
Great intelligence seems stupid.
Great eloquence seems awkward.

Movement overcomes cold.
Stillness overcomes heat.
Stillness and tranquillity set things in order in the universe.

Forty-six

When the Tao is present in the universe,
The horses haul manure.
When the Tao is absent from the universe,
War horses are bred outside the city.

There is no greater sin than desire,
No greater curse than discontent,
No greater misfortune than wanting something for oneself.
Therefore he who knows that enough is enough will always have enough.

Forty-seven

Without going outside, you may know the whole world.
Without looking through the window, you may see the ways of heaven.
The farther you go, the less you know.

Thus the sage knows without traveling;
He sees without looking;
He works without doing.

Forty-eight

In the pursuit of learning, every day something is acquired.
In the pursuit of Tao, every day something is dropped.

Less and less is done
Until non-action is achieved.
When nothing is done, nothing is left undone.

The world is ruled by letting things take their course.
It cannot be ruled by interfering.

Forty-nine

The sage has no mind of his own.
He is aware of the needs of others.

I am good to people who are good.
I am also good to people who are not good.
Because Virtue is goodness.
I have faith in people who are faithful.
I also have faith in people who are not faithful.
Because Virtue is faithfulness.

The sage is shy and humble - to the world he seems confusing.
Others look to him and listen.
He behaves like a little child.

Fifty

Between birth and death,
Three in ten are followers of life,
Three in ten are followers of death,
And men just passing from birth to death also number three in ten.
Why is this so?
Because they live their lives on the gross level.

He who knows how to live can walk abroad
Without fear of rhinoceros or tiger.
He will not be wounded in battle.
For in him rhinoceroses can find no place to thrust their horn,
Tigers no place to use their claws,
And weapons no place to pierce.
Why is this so?
Because he has no place for death to enter.

agate

21-06-2009, 06:19 AM

Fifty-one

All things arise from Tao.
They are nourished by Virtue.
They are formed from matter.
They are shaped by environment.
Thus the ten thousand things all respect Tao and honor Virtue.
Respect of Tao and honor of Virtue are not demanded,
But they are in the nature of things.

Therefore all things arise from Tao.
By Virtue they are nourished,
Developed, cared for,
Sheltered, comforted,
Grown, and protected.
Creating without claiming,
Doing without taking credit,
Guiding without interfering,
This is Primal Virtue.

Fifty-two

The beginning of the universe
Is the mother of all things.
Knowing the mother, on also knows the sons.
Knowing the sons, yet remaining in touch with the mother,
Brings freedom from the fear of death.

Keep your mouth shut,
Guard the senses,
And life is ever full.
Open your mouth,
Always be busy,
And life is beyond hope.

Seeing the small is insight;
Yielding to force is strength.
Using the outer light, return to insight,
And in this way be saved from harm.
This is learning constancy.

Fifty-three

If I have even just a little sense,
I will walk on the main road and my only fear
will be of straying from it.
Keeping to the main road is easy,
But people love to be sidetracked.

When the court is arrayed in splendor,
The fields are full of weeds,
And the granaries are bare.
Some wear gorgeous clothes,
Carry sharp swords,
And indulge themselves with food and drink;
They have more possessions than they can use.
They are robber barons.
This is certainly not the way of Tao.

Fifty-four

What is firmly established cannot be uprooted.
What is firmly grasped cannot slip away.
It will be honored from generation to generation.

Cultivate Virtue in your self,
And Virtue will be real.
Cultivate it in the family,
And Virtue will abound.
Cultivate it in the village,
And Virtue will grow.
Cultivate it in the nation,
And Virtue will be abundant.
Cultivate it in the universe,
And Virtue will be everywhere.

Therefore look at the body as body;
Look at the family as family;
Look at the village as village;
Look at the nation as nation;
Look at the universe as universe.

How do I know the universe is like this?
By looking!

Fifty-five

He who is filled with Virtue is like a newborn child.
Wasps and serpents will not sting him;
Wild beasts will not pounce upon him;
He will not be attacked by birds of prey.
His bones are soft, his muscles weak,
But his grip is firm.
He has not experienced the union of man and woman, but is whole.
His manhood is strong.
He screams all day without becoming hoarse.
This is perfect harmony.

Knowing harmony is constancy.
Knowing constancy is enlightenment.

It is not wise to rush about.
Controlling the breath causes strain.
If too much energy is used, exhaustion follows.
This is not the way of Tao.
Whatever is contrary to Tao will not last long.

Fifty-six

Those who know do not talk.
Those who talk do not know.

Keep your mouth closed.
Guard your senses.
Temper your sharpness.
Simplify your problems.
Mask your brightness.
Be at one with the dust of the Earth.
This is primal union.

He who has achieved this state
Is unconcerned with friends and enemies,
With good and harm, with honor and disgrace.
This therefore is the highest state of man.

Fifty-seven

Rule a nation with justice.
Wage war with surprise moves.
Become master of the universe without striving.
How do I know that this is so?
Because of this!

The more laws and restrictions there are,
The poorer people become.
The sharper men's weapons,
The more trouble in the land.
The more ingenious and clever men are,
The more strange things happen.
The more rules and regulations,
The more thieves and robbers.

Therefore the sage says:
I take no action and people are reformed.
I enjoy peace and people become honest.
I do nothing and people become rich.
I have no desires and people return to the good and simple life.

Fifty-eight

When the country is ruled with a light hand
The people are simple.
When the country is ruled with severity,
The people are cunning.

Happiness is rooted in misery.
Misery lurks beneath happiness.
Who knows what the future holds?
There is no honesty.
Honesty becomes dishonest.
Goodness becomes witchcraft.
Man's bewitchment lasts for a long time.

Therefore the sage is sharp but not cutting,
Pointed but not piercing,
Straightforward but not unrestrained,
Brilliant but not blinding.

Fifty-nine

In caring for others and serving heaven,
There is nothing like using restraint.
Restraint begins with giving up one's own ideas.
This depends on Virtue gathered in the past.
If there is a good store of Virtue, then nothing is impossible.
If nothing is impossible, then there are no limits.
If a man knows no limits, then he is fit to be a ruler.
The mother principle of ruling holds good for a long time.
This is called having deep roots and a firm foundation,
The Tao of long life and eternal vision.

Sixty

Ruling the country is like cooking a small fish.
Approach the universe with Tao,
And evil is not powerful,
But its power will not be used to harm others.
Not only will it do no harm to others,
But the sage himself will also be protected.
They do not hurt each other,
And the Virtue in each one refreshes both.

agate

21-06-2009, 06:20 AM

Sixty-one

A great country is like low land.
It is the meeting ground of the universe,
The mother of the universe.

The female overcomes the male with stillness,
Lying low in stillness.

Therefore if a great country gives way to a smaller country,
It will conquer the smaller country.
And if a small country submits to a great country,
It can conquer the great country.
Therefore those who would conquer must yield,
And those who conquer do so because they yield.

A great nation needs more people;
A small country needs to serve.
Each gets what it wants.
It is fitting for a great nation to yield.

Sixty-two

Tao is source of the ten thousand things.
It is the treasure of the good man, and the refuge of the bad.
Sweet words can buy honor;
Good deeds can gain respect.
If a man is bad, do not abandon him.
Therefore on the day the emperor is crowned,
Or the three officers of state installed,
Do not send a gift of jade and a team of four horses,
But remain still and offer the Tao.
Why does everyone like the Tao so much at first?
Isn't it because you find what you seek and are forgiven when you sin?
Therefore this is the greatest treasure of the universe.

Sixty-three

Practice non-action.
Work without doing.
Taste the tasteless.
Magnify the small, increase the few.
Reward bitterness with care.

See simplicity in the complicated.
Achieve greatness in little things.

In the universe the difficult things are done as if they are easy.
In the universe great acts are made up of small deeds.
The sage does not attempt anything very big,
And thus achieved greatness.

Easy promises make for little trust.
Taking things lightly results in great difficulty.
Because the sage always confronts difficulties,
He never experiences them.

Sixty-four

Peace is easily maintained;
Trouble is easily overcome before it starts.
The brittle is easily shattered;
The small is easily scattered.

Deal with it before it happens.
Set things in order before there is confusion.

A tree as great as a man's embrace springs up from a small shoot;
A terrace nine stories high begins with a pile of earth;
A journey of a thousand miles starts under one's feet.

He who acts defeats his own purpose;
He who grasps loses.
The sage does not act, and so is not defeated.
He does not grasp and therefore does not lose.

People usually fail when they are on the verge of success.
So give as much care to the end as to the beginning;
Then there will be no failure.

Therefore the sage seeks freedom from desire.
He does not collect precious things.
He learns not to hold on to ideas.
He brings men back to what they have lost.
He help the ten thousand things find their own nature,
But refrains from action.

Sixty-five

In the beginning those who knew the Tao did not try to enlighten others,
But kept it hidden.
Why is it so hard to rule?
Because people are so clever.
Rulers who try to use cleverness
Cheat the country.
Those who rule without cleverness
Are a blessing to the land.
These are the two alternatives.
Understanding these is Primal Virtue.
Primal Virtue is deep and far.
It leads all things back
Toward the great oneness.

Sixty-six

Why is the sea king of a hundred streams?
Because it lies below them.
Therefore it is the king of a hundred streams.

If the sage would guide the people, he must serve with humility.
If he would lead them, he must follow behind.
In this way when the sage rules, the people will not feel oppressed;
When he stands before them, they will not be harmed.
The whole world will support him and will not tire of him.

Because he does not compete,
He does not meet competition.

Sixty-seven

Everyone under heaven says that my Tao is great and beyond compare.
Because it is great, it seems different.
If it were not different, it would have vanished long ago.

I have three treasures which I hold and keep.
The first is mercy; the second is economy;
The third is daring not to be ahead of others.
From mercy comes courage; from economy comes generosity;
From humility comes leadership.

Nowadays men shun mercy, but try to be brave;
They abandon economy, but try to be generous;
They do not believe in humility, but always try to be first.
This is certain death.

Mercy brings victory in battle and strength in defense.
It is the means by which heaven saves and guards.

Sixty-eight

A good soldier is not violent.
A good fighter is not angry.
A good winner is not vengeful
A good employer is humble.
This is known as the Virtue of not striving.
This is known as ability to deal with people.
This since ancient times has been known as the ultimate unity with heaven.

Sixty-nine

There is a saying among soldiers:
I dare not make the first move but would rather play the guest;
I dare not advance and inch but would rather withdraw a foot.

This is called marching without appearing to move,
Rolling up your sleeves without showing your arm,
Capturing the enemy without attacking,
Being armed without weapons.

There is no greater catastrophe than underestimating the enemy.
By underestimating the enemy, I almost lost what I value.

Therefore when the battle is joined,
The underdog will win.

Seventy

My words are easy to understand and easy to perform,
Yet no man under heaven knows them or practices them.

My words have ancient beginnings.
My actions are disciplined.
Because men do not understand, they have no knowledge of me.

Those that know me are few;
Those that abuse me are honored.
Therefore the sage wears rough clothing and holds the jewel in his heart.

agate

21-06-2009, 06:21 AM

Seventy-one

Knowing ignorance is strength.
Ignoring knowledge is sickness.

If one is sick of sickness, then one is not sick.
The sage is not sick because he is sick of sickness.
Therefore he is not sick.

Seventy-two

When men lack a sense of awe, there will be disaster.

Do not intrude in their homes.
Do not harass them at work.
If you do not interfere, they will not weary of you.

Therefore the sage knows himself but makes no show,
Has self-respect but is not arrogant.
He lets go of that and chooses this.

Seventy-three

A brave and passionate man will kill or be killed.
A brave and calm man will always preserve life.
Of these two which is good and which is harmful?
Some things are not favored by heaven. Who knows why?
Even the sage is unsure of this.

The Tao of heaven does not strive, and yet it overcomes.
It does not speak, and yet is answered.
It does not ask, yet is supplied with all its needs.
It seems to have no aim and yet its purpose is fulfilled.

Heaven's net casts wide.
Though its meshes are course, nothing slips through.

Seventy-four

If men are not afraid to die,
It is no avail to threaten them with death.

If men live in constant fear of dying,
And if breaking the law means that a man will be killed,
Who will dare to break the law?

There is always an official executioner.
If you try to take his place,
It is like trying to be a master carpenter and cutting wood.
If you try to cut wood like a master carpenter, you will only hurt your hand.

Seventy-five

Why are the people starving?
Because the rulers eat up the money in taxes.
Therefore the people are starving.

Why are the people rebellious?
Because the rulers interfere too much.
Therefore they are rebellious.

Why do the people think so little of death?
Because the rulers demand too much of life.
Therefore the people take death lightly.

Having little to live on, one knows better than to value life too much.

Seventy-six

A man is born gentle and weak.
At his death he is hard and stiff.
Green plants are tender and filled with sap.
At their death they are withered and dry.

Therefore the stiff and unbending is the disciple of death.
The gentle and yielding is the disciple of life.

Thus an army without flexibility never wins a battle.
A tree that is unbending is easily broken.

The hard and strong will fall.
The soft and weak will overcome.

Seventy-seven

The Tao of heaven is like the bending of a bow.
The high is lowered, and the low is raised.
If the string is too long, it is shortened;
If there is not enough, it is made longer.

The Tao of heaven is to take from those who have too much and give to those who do not have enough.
Man's way is different.
He takes from those who do not have enough and give to those who already have too much.
What man has more than enough and gives it to the world?
Only the man of Tao.

Therefore the sage works without recognition.
He achieves what has to be done without dwelling on it.
He does not try to show his knowledge.

Seventy-eight

Under heaven nothing is more soft and yielding than water.
Yet for attacking the solid and strong, nothing is better;
It has no equal.
The weak can overcome the strong;
The supple can overcome the stiff.
Under heaven everyone knows this,
Yet no one puts it into practice.
Therefore the sage says:
He who takes upon himself the humiliation of the people is fit to rule them.
He who takes upon himself the country's disasters deserves to be king of the universe.
The truth often sounds paradoxical.

Seventy-nine

After a bitter quarrel, some resentment must remain.
What can one do about it?
Therefore the sage keeps his half of the bargain
But does not exact his due.
A man of Virtue performs his part,
But a man without Virtue requires others to fulfill their obligations.
The Tao of heaven is impartial.
It stays with good men all the time.

Eighty

A small country has fewer people.
Though there are machines that can work ten to a hundred times faster than man, they are not needed.
The people take death seriously and do not travel far.
Though they have boats and carriages, no one uses them.
Though they have armor and weapons, no one displays them.
Men return to the knotting of rope in place of writing.
Their food is plain and good, their clothes fine but simple, their homes secure;
They are happy in their ways.
Though they live within sight of their neighbors,
And crowing cocks and barking dogs are heard across the way,
Yet they leave each other in peace while they grow old and die.

Eighty-one

Truthful words are not beautiful.
Beautiful words are not truthful.
Good men do not argue.
Those who argue are not good.
Those who know are not learned.
The learned do not know.

The sage never tries to store things up.
The more he does for others, the more he has.
The more he gives to others, the greater his abundance.
The Tao of heaven is pointed but does no harm.
The Tao of the sage is work without effort.

julieray

05-07-2009, 11:22 PM

margaretr

06-07-2009, 12:09 AM

For info on how to rid yourself of ego, I found this man a good teacher
http://www.youtube.com/results?search_query=Adyashanti+&search_type=&aq=f

julieray

06-07-2009, 06:53 PM

For info on how to rid yourself of ego, I found this man a good teacher
http://www.youtube.com/results?search_query=Adyashanti+&search_type=&aq=f

Do you meditate?:)

margaretr

06-07-2009, 11:30 PM

Do you meditate?:)

No I don't in the accepted sense, but I do sit quietly in silence often.
If you watch some of his videos, you will see that he recommends getting rid of ego but doesn't say you need meditation to do that

julieray

07-07-2009, 09:07 AM

No I don't in the accepted sense, but I do sit quietly in silence often.
If you watch some of his videos, you will see that he recommends getting rid of ego but doesn't say you need meditation to do that

I apologise if I sounded egotistical. I have been on such a high recently, I feel excited and uplifted and inspired by things going on around me and especially from messages received through meditation which I trust explicitly. I guess I was over anxious and keen to share this with everyone.

Inner knowledge does come from within whether it is sitting in the silence or meditating, I suppose it makes no difference so long as that connection is there.

agate

08-07-2009, 04:41 PM

Hi Agate, I have not been on this forum for a while, but I have still been spiritually active and have continued to meditate.

My view on the 2012 is that it will be slow process of change where we as humans will evolve into a more spiritual being with a more balanced understanding. For instance, I have been informed via meditation that we will develop, or will be given the gift of telepathy. I think we are moving into a more positive phase where we have a greater understanding of who we are. Where some sites tell of fear and devastation, I do not, I think these views are simply trying to halt our evolutionary process because we can make changes ourselves but if we are fed fear and devastation, this has a danger of emanating, as we do create the reality which we experience.

I am hopeful though, that mistakes from the past will be learnt and that we all come together and learn to respect and love one another knowing that we are all the same despite our upbringings and colours etc. This is what I want my reality to be and that is what I am aiming for. Therefore I am not listening to negative views or becoming fearful, I am emanating love and raising my own vibration and hopefully helping others to raise theirs too.:)

Hi Julieray,

Me too, I just came back here two months ago. I was looking for some missing links in detail between our general lives and the truth, for I thought I've got the truth(that I believe in) so early, that I could not explain it logically.

To my understanding, meditation is the way to find the deepest human nature far beyond five senses. In Buddhism,Taoism or even Qigong, can teach how to practise and reach this certain consciousness state, though it's a myth for most people. Everyone has his/her own ways to learn the universe through experiencing different realities or dimensions. It's like a mind time travel without interfering any reality. And it's a part of your DNA code or program that would be triggered as long as the timing is matched, and it also represents the "energy emotion" that would affect all dimension in the consciousness field. Cause we are all energy with emotions!

By the way , I have drawn some conclusions in here:
http://www.davidicke.com/forum/showthread.php?t=67032

julieray

08-07-2009, 05:46 PM

Hi Julieray,

Me too, I just came back here two months ago. I was looking for some missing links in detail between our general lives and the truth, for I thought I've got the truth(that I believe in) so early, that I could not explain it logically.

To my understanding, meditation is the way to find the deepest human nature far beyond five senses. In Buddhism,Taoism or even Qigong, can teach how to practise and reach this certain consciousness state, though it's a myth for most people. Everyone has his/her own ways to learn the universe through experiencing different realities or dimensions. It's like a mind time travel without interfering any reality. And it's a part of your DNA code or program that would be triggered as long as the timing is matched, and it also represents the "energy emotion" that would affect all dimension in the consciousness field. Cause we are all energy with emotions!

By the way , I have drawn some conclusions in here:
http://www.davidicke.com/forum/showthread.php?t=67032

I have been studying but I have some respite for a couple of months before it all starts again, mind you I think I should retire so I can read, read, and read some more and meditate inbetween. Sometimes the more pieces you pick up, the more you thirst for knowledge. I have been reading the Wingmakers site, which starts off as a story based on fact, but then explains so much, I have friends who meet up every fortnight to go through the reams of information in it. Please take a look if you haven't already seen it.

wingmakers.com it is scientific and spiritual and extremely thought provoking. They state that there are many doors into the building, philosophically speaking which does make sense, as not everyone has the ability to sit for hours on end, some people take different paths but still reach the same destination. I am still searching on my path, but have realised so much and have learnt so much. I am keen to share all I have picked up along the way.:)

agate

09-07-2009, 09:30 PM

I have been studying but I have some respite for a couple of months before it all starts again, mind you I think I should retire so I can read, read, and read some more and meditate inbetween. Sometimes the more pieces you pick up, the more you thirst for knowledge. I have been reading the Wingmakers site, which starts off as a story based on fact, but then explains so much, I have friends who meet up every fortnight to go through the reams of information in it. Please take a look if you haven't already seen it.

wingmakers.com it is scientific and spiritual and extremely thought provoking. They state that there are many doors into the building, philosophically speaking which does make sense, as not everyone has the ability to sit for hours on end, some people take different paths but still reach the same destination. I am still searching on my path, but have realised so much and have learnt so much. I am keen to share all I have picked up along the way.:)

I read some articles at the Wingmakers website last year. And there are some connections with Montauk Project if you would like to do the research in the time travel "CHAPTER" of Montauk. Someone has contacted the Wingmakers "center computer" through time travel machine of Montauk "in the future".

Everything is connected ... keep going :)

julieray

09-07-2009, 09:38 PM

I read some articles at the Wingmakers website last year. And there are some connections with Montauk Project if you would like to do the research in the time travel "CHAPTER" of Montauk. Someone has contacted the Wingmakers "center computer" through time travel machine of Montauk "in the future".

Everything is connected ... keep going :)

I have not heard of the Montauk Project. Do you have a link to it and i will certainly check it out.:)

synergy777

10-07-2009, 12:09 PM

http://www.calleman.com/content/articles/risk_of_2012.htm

The risks of believing that the
Mayan calendar ends December 21, 2012!

a must read article.

About eight years ago John Major Jenkins and I had a debate about the meaning of the Mayan calendar end date focusing especially on whether the energies of the Long Count ends on October 28, 2011 or December 21, 2012. This still remains the most important question anybody interested in the “2012 phenomenon” is faced with, but while at the time the debate might have seemed theoretical, or even hairsplitting, it is now a question that has very significant and practical consequences as to how we relate to the future. While many would like to sweep the end date question under the rug or sit on the fence, no one can do so with their intellectual integrity intact. Since that debate Jenkins has appeared on a History Channel documentary where December 21 2012 is presented as a predetermined “doomsday” when the world is going to come to an end. I get quite a few letters, sometimes from young people that worry that the world will come to an end at this date since they have seen this documentary posted on YouTube. While most knowledgeable people would probably reject this way of presenting the Mayan calendar it is still important to ask the question who benefits from it. I feel there are indeed many people, also apart from the participants in such documentaries that benefit from the claim that the Mayan calendar ends December 21, 2012. Thus, I do not think that it is an accident that we do not hear of the October 28, 2011 date in public media. To begin with, as far as I know no one who adheres to the end date of October 28, 2011 has ever presented this as a predetermined doomsday and thus unduly associated the Mayan calendar with fear.

Since the abovementioned debate two different intellectual cultures have emerged around the two possible end dates, one based on belief (December 21, 2012) and one based on evidence (October 28, 2011). These two cultures are about as different from one another as any one of them is from that using the Gregorian calendar. The proposal of the December 21, 2012 date is based on the unproven belief that the precessional cycle actually means something for human evolution, and, amazingly, as far as I know no one advocating this end date seems to have even bothered to try to prove this basic assumption. In contrast, the October 28, 2011 date is based on massive scientific evidence that the Nine Underworlds and Thirteen Heavens known from ancient Mayan sources indeed describe cosmic evolution in all of its aspects. Moreover, while there is extensive evidence that the Maya based prophecy and prediction on shifts between baktuns, katuns, tuns etc, not a single ancient Mayan text mentions the 26,000 year precessional cycle. Since those advocating the December 21, 2012 end date do not identify shift points in the Mayan calendar leading up to their end date their hypothesis is however not testable from the predictions made, which is the hallmark of any serious scientific theory. Hence, it must be qualified as belief rather than science. Based on nothing more than belief a culture has subsequently emerged around the December 21, 2012 date, since it serves as an ideal projection screen for fantasies, fears and hopes rather than something that can be proven and understood scientifically based on the patterns of the Mayan calendar.

The October 28, 2011 end date can however be rationally understood. It has also been verified by several predictions, most recently my own that an economic collapse would set in and when it would do so: Regardless of what forms such a [financial] collapse may take it seems that the best bet is for it to occur close to the time that the Fifth NIGHT begins, in November 2007 [strictly speaking the 19th] (The Mayan Calendar and the Transformation of Consciousness, page 233). In accordance with this prediction economists now agree that it began in December of 2007, see Figure 1). This prediction was actually formulated already in my first book in English, Solving the Greatest Mystery of Our Time: The Mayan Calendar written in 1999 and published in 2001 (page 187). This is really a direct parallel to Edgar Cayce’s famous prediction of the time for the New York stock exchange crash, in this case however made about ten years in advance, and so was made much earlier than any professional economist even considered such an economic meltdown. I however do not claim to have some unusual psychic abilities, and instead this prediction attests to the fact that with the right end date, October 28, 2011 the mystery of the Mayan calendar has been exactly solved. That these predictions were accurate can be verified by anyone, who cares to examine the relevant pages in my books. In contrast no one who claimed that the end date of the Mayan calendar is December 21, 2012 made any similar prediction and can mostly not credit themselves with having made one single accurate prediction based on the Mayan calendar. Already this should be a red flag for anyone looking for a way to understand the evolution of civilization based on the Mayan calendar.

Before going into the more practical consequences of adhering to the evidence-based or a belief-based interpretation of the Mayan calendar I however think that it is necessary to discuss the nature of time and what it is that makes the Mayan calendar special. It is in other words important to know whether we have any reason to concern ourselves with the Mayan calendar in the first place. Why is it that unlike all other calendars the Mayan calendar has an end date? The answer to this is that the Mayan calendar expresses an entirely different kind of time than other calendars. Most calendars, such as the Gregorian, Muslim, Buddhist or Jewish calendars, are based on astronomical cycles and reflect continuous time. They describe measurable mechanic time, the aspect of time that the Greek would call Chronos, which is also the only one that is recognized in the modern world. Since astronomical cycles, whether they are cycles of the moon, the earth or the precessional cycle, will continue over the next billions of years or so there is however no reason that calendars based on them should ever come to an end. Since the Mayan calendar however has an end date this must obviously be based on another type of time than mechanical time and its end date must be discussed against the background of consciousness-based time – what the Greek would call Kairos and so we must ask what could be the origin of this.

If we go back to ancient sources to find out information about the origin of the Mayan Long Count they never say that this would be based on any astronomical cycle*. Instead, the Mayan sources, for instance at the Temple of the Inscriptions in Palenque, explicitly say that the Long Count is based on the World Tree or what other cultures usually refer to as the Tree of Life. As I will be describing in my forthcoming book The Purposeful Universe (Inner Traditions, December 2009) Mayan time is in fact quantized and describes different quantum states of the Cosmic Tree of Life. It is always against the background of such quantum shifts in time, and not continuously flowing astronomical cycles, we may understanding the defining moments of our lives, but also of human civilizations. The Cosmic Tree of Life at the center of our universe behind these quantum shifts was discovered by modern science only in 2003. Yet, the fact that it is real, and not a mere symbol or myth, calls for a revolution in how we view our whole existence. It affects not only science, but also how we understand religious prophecies, which often include references to the Tree of Life. Hence, for instance the Book of Revelation refers to this and it seems to be returning to our awareness in the nick of time. Since the Mayan calendar originates in the Tree of Life not only every day, but also every katun, baktun, pictun etc is associated with a symbol, such as a day-sign and a number, symbolic of its different quantum states. These states are then creating the geological and historical eras of cosmic evolution, which the Maya would refer to as ages. Many people are expecting a quantum shift as the Mayan calendar comes to an end – and rightly so – but a continuous astronomical cycle by definition never gives rise to quantum shifts. The reason the Mayan calendar is able to explain so many quantum jumps in the fossil record and paradigm shifts in the history of mankind (which is far from slow and continuous) is the very fact that unlike other calendars it is quantized.

The understanding of Mayan time as quantized also provides a meaningful way of looking at the so-called end date where it is not even potentially a preset end of the world. (This is why no one embracing the October 28, 2011 date has fallen to claim that it is a preset end of the world). The end date simply reflects the point in time when the Cosmic Tree of Life attains its highest quantum state. This also implies that it is not the beginning of a new cycle and it is only on this basis that it is rationally understandable that this state would serve to create a millennium of peace in the “New Jerusalem” as the new world is called in the Book of Revelation. To instead use a Hindu metaphor it becomes logical that the attainment of this highest state means liberation from the wheels (cycles) of Karma. As the student of the evidence-based Mayan calendar will know almost all conflicts and warfare in the history of mankind actually originate in quantum shifts between cosmic energies and only as those come to an end is there any serious reason to hope for the emergence of a world in harmony. Hence, in this interpretation of the Mayan calendar there is absolutely no reason to think that the end date means the end of life or a “doomsday” when the world is predetermined to come to an end.

What the end date does mean however is that on October 28, 2011 the shifts between energies will come to an end and it is thus no wonder that many intuitively sense that the year that follow upon this, 2012, is very special. The processes that have been driving cosmic evolution until now will no longer be operating and after some time for things to settle the human beings will be left to create evolution themselves. What this means is in my view that the end date is not just another shift. Instead it constitutes the end of the shifts that have been caused by alternations in the quantum states of the Tree of Life up until that point, exemplified by the abovementioned quantum shift that led to the decline of the economy as the fifth night began. Such a vision of a new Garden of Eden (albeit on a higher level) obviously lacks any rational basis among those advocating that we look upon the Mayan calendar as based on mechanical astronomical cycles, where a new cycle will then begin. To understand the liberation of mankind and a future return to the Garden of Eden however simply mandates quantized time. This illustrates an important principle, namely that even if the evidence-based Mayan calendar is not difficult to understand, it is not trivial. It is not something that you can thoughtlessly put in your old box of thinking. The Mayan calendar is fundamentally different from all other calendar and how and why that is is something that needs to be deeply honored and respected.

From this perspective, where we are approaching the end of cyclical changes and the highest quantum state of the universe, it is also logical that the economic meltdown that we are now in is not merely a “recession” or a “depression”, such as we know to have been precipitated in the past by nights in the calendar. The decline is instead the beginning of the end to the cycles of the economy. Yet, since we know from the study of the Mayan calendar that the time periods when the economy shrinks are the nights we can make some predictions as to how this end of the economic cycles is going to play out. The first pulse of bringing the growth economy down thus came with the fifth night and led to a rapid decrease in growth, a fall in stock values, and increases of lay-offs and foreclosures. We are currently in a period in between such nights, the sixth day (see Figure 2), when the same processes are continuing more slowly and may even temporarily be slightly reversed. Around the time that the Sixth night begins on November 8, 2009 we may however expect that the meltdown intensifies and the US dollar collapses and with it the established monetary system in the world. Many things may trigger such an event, but it is important to understand that whatever triggers it, and this may be some kind of political event, it is the energy of this night that will bring it about. This incidentally, is also why it is so important what will be made of the rebirth energy of the second half of the sixth day.

We can only imagine what such a collapse will mean, but I feel it is clear to everyone that the consequences for our every day lives will be very far-reaching. Because of the hardships many may come to lose faith in this Creation or think that we are being punished. I look upon it differently: The consciousness of the Galactic Underworld is already preplanned to set in a protective mechanism for the planet by first stopping the growth, which is what any cancer doctor would do before any healing could take place**. As the reader may now realize we have come to a point where the discussion of the end date of the Mayan calendar is a critical issue since how we relate to the future will directly depend on it. This is neither academic hairsplitting nor irresponsible New Age fantasies. Those that advocate the evidence-based Mayan end date of October 28, 2011 may in fact advice people to prepare themselves for this further economic meltdown beforehand in the sixth night. Those that talk about December 21, 2012 are however, consistently with their logic, likely to continue to make projections on this fantasy screen in the future. What these people in effect are saying to people is “Do not prepare yourself for the New World now! Wait until the shift comes December 21, 2012!” since they do not recognize any quantum shifts before this point in time. To know the exact end date is then a matter of paramount importance to people, because it is their only way of knowing what quantum shift they are experiencing in the present moment. While many people advocating the December 21, 2012 date are simply jumping on a bandwagon to create some visibility for themselves (and sell various products) I feel it is time that they consider what kind of responsibility this implies also for other people. It is probably not an accident that the first major Hollywood movie, surely planned to confuse people about the Mayan calendar and tout the December 21, 2012 date is scheduled to be released in November of 2009 as the sixth night begins. The ruling media will then use the December 21 2012 date to manipulate the truth and of course there are always some that are willing to play along. It is quite easy to see in whose interest it is that the Mayan calendar in this way is projected to a time in the future when all alignment with it will be too late.

As the established international monetary system collapses in the sixth night things can go essentially in either of two directions. It will go either in the direction of a grass roots organization of a new economy without banks, interests or growth serving to create a world without dominance. A collapse of the international monetary system, especially if it is linked to a moratorium of all debts, holds the potential of paving the way to a world that is truly egalitarian, based on willful cooperation and where greed will not destroy the world. This of course precludes the existence of a banking and monetary system organized in the interest of a minority and driven by the craving for abstract values rather than human needs.

I think however that it would be naïve to think that such an implementation of a New World according to the cosmic plan would happen without resistance. Some want to hold onto power over others. To many more the downfall of the established order of dominance would be shocking because it would ruin their experience of security in a world that they have become accustomed to. The bankers, governments, medias and ruling establishments world wide will then naturally seek to set up a new single global currency and remain in control, which they are very well prepared for. This especially the case if people are unaware of the evidence-based Mayan calendar and are able to see this difficult period as part of a process designed to lead to a new world. I am however convinced that the upcoming Universal Underworld will bring a new unity consciousness carrying a bliss of just being and love and compassion for all things just the way they are. Thus, things may not become “better” in the sense they were spoken of in the old economy, but life will be more enjoyable because of a new level of consciousness in which things are perceived in another way. Thus, in the years ahead we are in for a confusing mixture of seemingly conflicting developments. A critical aspect of preparation for this is the knowledge that the evidence-based Mayan calendar ends October 28, 2011, which at least gives people a benchmark for the rhythms with which things will evolve even though it will take a certain time for things to settle also after this.

The vision that is emerging for the time ahead is thus neither that “the world is going to an end,” nor that “we will all be happily flying” at a certain preset date in the future. Instead, we see a fairly complex scenario based on the best evidence that we have for an understanding of the future. It has much in common with the difficult birth scenario for the “New Jerusalem” as this is presented in the Book of Revelation. As this book points out this is however not a world for everyone and it is a scenario that almost certainly will require spiritual strength and integrity to endure. I do not want to add any religious overtones to this discussion, but it seems clear that everyone who is aspiring to enter this new world must sincerely seek the truth and avoid simplistic explanations.

Even if the Mayan calendar thus is universal and fundamentally connected to the Book of Revelation it is nonetheless important to know how the contemporary Maya see their end date. Naturally, some of them are happy that their calendar has received worldwide attention and may just believe what the archeologists have been telling them, which is December 21, 2012 (The actual Long Count upon which this date is based went out of use among the Maya a long time ago and so this date has been forwarded to them by modern archeologists). But more authoritative sources such as Don Alejandro Oxlaj of the Council of Elders are not just jumping on the bandwagon. As anyone who has seen the interview I made with him two years ago (available on DVD from Mayan Majix) he rejects the December 21, 2012 date as a miscalculation (Something that at the time was actually a surprise to me). He also carries the prophecy of the Thirteen Baktuns and 13 Ahau, consistent with the October 28, 2011 date (which is 13 Ahau). Unlike myself he however does not specify an end date, even though we do agree that the last katun shift (beginning of the last 7200 day prophetic period) took place in 1992. Around this katun shift at February 10, 1992 we can also very clearly see that major events, a quantum shift, shaping the whole world took place: The end of the Cold War and the collapse of the Soviet Union (December 25, 1991), the institution of the European Union, (February 7, 1992) and the launching of the World Wide Web (August 1991). By the time of the katun shift advocated by the December 21, 2012 people (John Jenkins says April 1993 in the “Doomsday” documentary on History Channel) the new world was thus already established. Also in the future the people embracing this end date will thus always be in the backwater of what is really happening in the world. This demonstrates the utmost importance of the end date and that those who want to be consciously part of the coming quantum shifts ahead and surf on the waves of creation that these generate will miss that opportunity if they reject the evidence based Mayan calendar with its end date of October 28, 2011. If you ignore the evidence and listen to the December 21, 2012 “alignment”*** prophets this is likely to have very serious direct consequences for your own life and how you approach the future. With the acceleration of time in the Galactic Underworld the difference of 420 days between the two end dates is literally as big as that between day and night.

Carl Johan Calleman
Seattle, May 15, 2009 (1 Kan)

* No ancient Mayan text talks about the meaning of the end date of the Long Count. The beginning of the Long Count is however discussed in different places and a good source for this is Freidel, Schele and Parker, Maya Cosmos, pages 59-122, The Hearth and the Tree. A very good source for understanding how the political life of the ancient Maya was dominated by non-astronomical time cycles is Prudence Rice, Maya Political Science. Those interested in how their prophecies were based on non-astronomical cycles may study the katun-prophecies in the Books of Chilam Balam.

** Personally I do not believe that there is a God who intervenes in Creation to change its course (This would imply that creation would not be perfect to begin with). The way it works is that the Galactic Underworld favors the right brain half to the detriment of the left brain half that is mediating abstract values and it is thus that we now see a collapse of abstract values such as digits in bank computers and paper bills. In an interview with Larry King a few months ago Bill Clinton stated that a third of the wealth of the world had been wiped out in the past year. This is an excellent example of thinking in terms of abstract values. In reality no real value had been wiped out. What had been wiped out were a third of the figures in the bank computers. This collapse of abstract values has still far from bottomed out.

*** This so called alignment actually happened in 1998, but this is very rarely presented since it would be of no interest to the media now selling the “2012 phenomenon”.

agate

10-07-2009, 08:49 PM

I have not heard of the Montauk Project. Do you have a link to it and i will certainly check it out.:)

http://video.google.com/videoplay?docid=8267779352203895157

http://www.bielek.com/ab_albielek.htm

or you can GOOGLE any key word related to the information, follow your intuition , that the way of research I did before.:)

There are a lot of amazing stories,that I believe to be true. And this is the way to look for the missing links between our reality and all dimensions.

julieray

27-07-2009, 08:56 PM

http://video.google.com/videoplay?docid=8267779352203895157

http://www.bielek.com/ab_albielek.htm

or you can GOOGLE any key word related to the information, follow your intuition , that the way of research I did before.:)

There are a lot of amazing stories,that I believe to be true. And this is the way to look for the missing links between our reality and all dimensions.

Hi Agate,

Thank you for that link, I have taken a look and have noticed with interest that the timeline of Ed Cameron at 2714 or thereabouts found floating buildings and where societies were run by computers. What is more interesting is the computer programers called themselves "Wing Makers". Is this a good omen or a bad thing??? I never quite comprehended a society ran by computers/computer programers to be honest. What is your view on this and have you read it? Is there any more information that I can access to get some more information about this time period, as it talks about their Agenda, but on that link it does not go any further - how frustrating!!

leo40

28-07-2009, 09:49 AM

julieray

30-07-2009, 01:21 PM

Please read the Project Camelot Interview with James from Wingmakers. It is extremely interesting and I for one think he is spot on with what he states.

Here is the link;

http://www.projectcamelot.org/james_wingmakers_sovereign_integral.html

He sets out the situation as one where we all collectively (being God) created the earth, then when the Annunaki came down and tricked us into experiencing being separate, we forgot who we were and looked up at the creation and thought it was so wonderful, that only a God had created it, when in fact it was us all along, we just cannot remember, as our dna has been reduced, or we were unplugged from that part of us that can remember. The way through all this is to wake back up so that we can remember and he gives suggestions on what to do. It is very interesting and well worth a read.

agate

13-08-2009, 05:17 PM

This is how beLIEve is spelled!

Well, then how is your beLIEf spelled?

By the way, I only beLIEve in myself, and I hope IT won't bother you.

agate

13-08-2009, 05:41 PM

Hi Agate,

Thank you for that link, I have taken a look and have noticed with interest that the timeline of Ed Cameron at 2714 or thereabouts found floating buildings and where societies were run by computers. What is more interesting is the computer programers called themselves "Wing Makers". Is this a good omen or a bad thing??? I never quite comprehended a society ran by computers/computer programers to be honest. What is your view on this and have you read it? Is there any more information that I can access to get some more information about this time period, as it talks about their Agenda, but on that link it does not go any further - how frustrating!!

Yeah, I've read that part as you mentioned about "Wing Makers". I think the world in year 2714 is just another certain reality if we follow some certain kind of rules or directions, then that "Wing Makers" world would probably become our destiny in 2714. But, there have to be a link between 2714 and our 19XX(as the story tells) ,which only a few people could know the exact reason for that. I have some imaginations to explain that: In the year 2714, there technology is facing the fact that people are almost controlled or manipulated by the supper computers (Wing Makers), and the Wing Makers is updating herself then find a way to change the world or the crises ahead... and found a certain time point which is 19XX.XX.XX when the Montauk Project were working on something else... So, this unique "LINK" made them match the needs of each other. and changed the reality for leading to another better future.

There's nothing coincident in the universe. There is always a unique LINK come into being at a certain time. It's true!

Take a look at this, the truth keeps coming out now..:

European Exopolitics Summit 2009 - Robert Dean, Why the greatest story in human history has never been told exopolitik on USTREAM. Educational

julieray

14-08-2009, 08:17 PM

Yeah, I've read that part as you mentioned about "Wing Makers". I think the world in year 2714 is just another certain reality if we follow some certain kind of rules or directions, then that "Wing Makers" world would probably become our destiny in 2714. But, there have to be a link between 2714 and our 19XX(as the story tells) ,which only a few people could know the exact reason for that. I have some imaginations to explain that: In the year 2714, there technology is facing the fact that people are almost controlled or manipulated by the supper computers (Wing Makers), and the Wing Makers is updating herself then find a way to change the world or the crises ahead... and found a certain time point which is 19XX.XX.XX when the Montauk Project were working on something else... So, this unique "LINK" made them match the needs of each other. and changed the reality for leading to another better future.

There's nothing coincident in the universe. There is always a unique LINK come into being at a certain time. It's true!

Take a look at this, the truth keeps coming out now..:

http://www.ustream.tv/recorded/1867745

Hi Agate,

Thank you for that link, I have watched 38 minutes of it and it was absolutely exhilarating but I have gone to finish watching it today and it is not on - I realise that it is a live-stream but would it have been stored anywhere as I am anxious to see the rest of the broadcast?

julieray

14-08-2009, 08:55 PM

mind1universe

15-08-2009, 12:21 AM

julieray

16-08-2009, 07:33 PM

I love that man. Not many hes age is speaking of this kind disclosure. He really has a heart of gold. Thanks for posting that. I'm watching it now. I've listened to some of his work, and I feel really content hearing his story. NASA and the system haven't threatened him as they are probably thinking hes going to die soon as hes well past his prime. I don't mean to be abrupt in saying that. I'm still scratching my own heard as to why hes hasn't been warned.

He is quite a guy and so genuine and sincere. He even provides the names of the people who have provided these photographs and I find it quite puzzling as to how they appear to have undergone disclosing these facts without any recourse. Perhaps it is all about the larger plan in putting things out bit by bit, getting us used to the fact that there have been lies all these years, perhaps they are tired of lying themselves, but cannot just come out and blurt it all so are allowing certain people to divulge this information.

relax

16-08-2009, 08:05 PM

The 2012 video is brilliant.

siriusc

16-08-2009, 08:07 PM

I find Bob Dean very intriguing. You don't get to the stage of doing open interviews like that without playing the middleroad. He was a military man and then a sheriff. I find it curious that a Staff Sargent can obtain the highest govt clearance (even though he was a Aide to a 4 Star General) for the kind of work he did. Even more curious is the name for that clearance back in those days "Cosmic". It just makes me suspicious even though I like his interviews and presentations.

agate

22-08-2009, 05:53 PM

Curiosity will never stop you from leading you to the Truth.

agate

22-08-2009, 05:58 PM

I have just found it on a UFO Blogger and finished watching it. Call me gullible, but I absolutely believe every word he said, in fact I think a lot of things he spoke of I knew already. I would love to attend one of these seminars, how thrilling that would be.

Well ,I think it's time to spread the truth all over the world, as Bob Dean said "People are beginning to demand the truth."

mind1universe

24-08-2009, 12:32 AM

The only way your find truth is in yourself.

The leaders are not going to give it to you. That was not the plan.

julieray

25-08-2009, 06:28 PM

I agree to a certain degree, but as Bob Dean stated the people are hacking away at the secrecy bit by bit and the truth will not remain hidden as it has in the past, the truth will come out and there will be some of those in for a very big shock! So at least with us going on we will at least be able to ease people into the new mindset. I know my Dad for one will be in complete denial but I have harped on enough to know that it is not going to come like a bolt from the blue. So whether THEY like it or not, it will come out of the closet, you can bet your bottom dollar. :)

agate

26-08-2009, 04:24 AM

julieray

26-08-2009, 11:33 AM

I can't agree more. Yes, it's time to spread the truth !!!!

Take a look the video that I made recently :

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ffX5Gmx9EkE

Hi Agate,

Thank you for that video link, very moving and powerful. It is so sad to see the aftermath of our own creation. Are we really civilised, killing one another and for what? Luckily, with the truth coming out everyone will have the same realisation, they will remember that we are not all different, we are the same and what happens to one, happens to all of us.

I was reading some of the Lyricus Teachings last night which is part of the Wingmakers Philosophy which talks of the scientific discovery of the soul. Whilst initially it will be suppressed, eventually, Governments, Religious organisations etc. will have to concede defeat. Their power will diminish and we will all be empowered individually knowing that we are one so that we can share, care and love one another so that we can live in harmony. It sounds so simple when put like that, but unfortunately, there will initially be resistance, I think because those with the power believe their power will lessen, but in reality life will become better for all, I suppose it is all about education and holding that vision.

I was also talking to a man last night who had spent over 30 years travelling all over the world in order to find his truth/spiritual path and he said himself after all those years he can put it all into just one word.....LOVE. Just about sums it all up doesn't it.

I will take a look at your other Youtube posts not that I will be able to understand them if they are in chinese, but I may get the gist. Thank you.

This is quite uplifting too, I received this link via e-mail this morning. Certainly looks as though there are alot of people who are ready to make a noise.....

http://www.rense.com/general87/strike.htm

We are evolving whether we like it or not and nothing can stop it. People are realising that we are being lied to and given bad information which will make them re-evaluate what is really important in their lives and I feel that peace and love will definitely be right at the top of the list. :)

agate

28-08-2009, 02:41 AM

Hi Agate,

Thank you for that video link, very moving and powerful. It is so sad to see the aftermath of our own creation. Are we really civilised, killing one another and for what? Luckily, with the truth coming out everyone will have the same realisation, they will remember that we are not all different, we are the same and what happens to one, happens to all of us.

I was reading some of the Lyricus Teachings last night which is part of the Wingmakers Philosophy which talks of the scientific discovery of the soul. Whilst initially it will be suppressed, eventually, Governments, Religious organisations etc. will have to concede defeat. Their power will diminish and we will all be empowered individually knowing that we are one so that we can share, care and love one another so that we can live in harmony. It sounds so simple when put like that, but unfortunately, there will initially be resistance, I think because those with the power believe their power will lessen, but in reality life will become better for all, I suppose it is all about education and holding that vision.

I was also talking to a man last night who had spent over 30 years travelling all over the world in order to find his truth/spiritual path and he said himself after all those years he can put it all into just one word.....LOVE. Just about sums it all up doesn't it.

I will take a look at your other Youtube posts not that I will be able to understand them if they are in chinese, but I may get the gist. Thank you.

This is quite uplifting too, I received this link via e-mail this morning. Certainly looks as though there are alot of people who are ready to make a noise.....

http://www.rense.com/general87/strike.htm

We are evolving whether we like it or not and nothing can stop it. People are realising that we are being lied to and given bad information which will make them re-evaluate what is really important in their lives and I feel that peace and love will definitely be right at the top of the list. :)

Yes, I've translated and uploaded some videos in Chinese caption that I think is important to people who wants to know on my YOUTUBE site. I think everyone has his/her own way to waken others who want to change the world.

Talking about "LOVE", I have to say, it is a major subject for us to learn during the very short human history on this planet, and most people have learned how to LOVE or what LOVE is. But I think the God or Tao or Buddha is neutral, which means there should be another concept that would balance LOVE, called "FREE WILL". I also think, by 2012, people need to learn "how to
harmonize or balance LOVE and WILL", For me , the LOVE is the energy of "YIN"( positive), the WILL is the energy of "YANG"(negative).

I know it's hard to "understand" the so called "evil" thing, but we need to learn why and how to "love them away" by understanding the energy of "FREE WILL" and how brave and logical way it is ,here is the case, take a look...
YouTube - Broadcast Yourself.

There would be more strike on street in US an UK recently, the change is happening.

agate

28-08-2009, 02:49 AM

The only way your find truth is in yourself.

The leaders are not going to give it to you. That was not the plan.

That's absolutely right!

julieray

28-08-2009, 10:58 AM

Yes, I've translated and uploaded some videos in Chinese caption that I think is important to people who wants to know on my YOUTUBE site. I think everyone has his/her own way to waken others who want to change the world.

Talking about "LOVE", I have to say, it is a major subject for us to learn during the very short human history on this planet, and most people have learned how to LOVE or what LOVE is. But I think the God or Tao or Buddha is neutral, which means there should be another concept that would balance LOVE, called "FREE WILL". I also think, by 2012, people need to learn "how to
harmonize or balance LOVE and WILL", For me , the LOVE is the energy of "YIN"( positive), the WILL is the energy of "YANG"(negative).

I know it's hard to "understand" the so called "evil" thing, but we need to learn why and how to "love them away" by understanding the energy of "FREE WILL" and how brave and logical way it is ,here is the case, take a look...
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9BEh149DrRE&feature=related

There would be more strike on street in US an UK recently, the change is happening.

Hi Agate,

Yes I like your balance of positive and negative - love and will and I have read that we are coming into a time where there will be balance in one's life, bringing harmony. I also receive updates from Lightworker.com which brings me to tears each month with their messages of love, they are so uplifting and positive. However one of the messages received earlier this year was that humanity will be undergoing physical changes during this evolutionary period and scientists will discover in about 50 years time that the two halves of the brain will have become diffused together. This will enable more of our light bodies to come into our physical body which in turn will bring about balance in our lives, so what you have said is on par with what they have said too.

My 'love them away' comes from a meditation I had. It was quite profound and was given by someone called Ala. Now I am not suggesting that it is the Allah, but they represented themselves as Ala and that was the teaching they provided to me. It was repeated quite a few times so that I could see the effect that love had which was magical to say the least. The negative energies surrounding me changed to a purple/lilac/green positive energy. It wasn't even as if it was being pushed away, it actually changed and it kept repeating itself until I realised this. That is why I changed my signature, the power of love is truly amazing and you can protect yourself from negative energies, simply by emanating love.

In fact I had the opportunity of carrying this out both in meditation and a few times in my daily life. A big black snarling dog stood in the way of my entering a door in my meditation and when I was telling it to go away it of course remained. Eventually, remembering the lesson in love, I instead sent out love to it and held out my hand in friendship. This dog immediately submitted itself to me, lay down and let me stroke it. Now I know that was only in meditation but great lessons can be learned whilst in that state and has had an impact on me that will remain throughout my life.

I have also woke up in the middle of the night and have been terrified for absolutely no apparent reason. Perhaps I had a nightmare, but I felt uneasy, nervous, scared and did feel as though I was being psychically attacked. I started thinking love, and within minutes, the whole energy around me had changed and I just went back to sleep. Also whilst at Liverpool last year, I was walking in the dark to the car park and I could hear someone behind me. It made me feel nervous, then something told me to stop and turn around which I did and there was a man with his arm in the air who was just about to attack me, or mug me, or whatever. I just kept thinking to myself 'think love, think love, think love, and whatever he was going to do he just stopped and said 'oh sorry I thought you were a bloke' - charming I thought, but I just stood there and he walked on by down the road. I was so relieved and maybe it is just all coincidence, but I have this 'knowing' be it rightly or wrongly that this small lesson I was taught, is almost like a shield of armour and does change energies surrounding each of us and when doing so, anything that is negative around us changes too. I cannot put it any simply than that.

That video clip is extremely weird, the man has an ear missing and looks and sounds as though he isn't even human. To me it is like he is there, but he isn't home. And even the girl is strange too - do you think it is something to do with their eyes? They just look so vacant! I don't think I will be looking to join that church anytime soon! :)

agate

29-08-2009, 05:36 PM

Hi Agate,

Yes I like your balance of positive and negative - love and will and I have read that we are coming into a time where there will be balance in one's life, bringing harmony. I also receive updates from Lightworker.com which brings me to tears each month with their messages of love, they are so uplifting and positive. However one of the messages received earlier this year was that humanity will be undergoing physical changes during this evolutionary period and scientists will discover in about 50 years time that the two halves of the brain will have become diffused together. This will enable more of our light bodies to come into our physical body which in turn will bring about balance in our lives, so what you have said is on par with what they have said too.

My 'love them away' comes from a meditation I had. It was quite profound and was given by someone called Ala. Now I am not suggesting that it is the Allah, but they represented themselves as Ala and that was the teaching they provided to me. It was repeated quite a few times so that I could see the effect that love had which was magical to say the least. The negative energies surrounding me changed to a purple/lilac/green positive energy. It wasn't even as if it was being pushed away, it actually changed and it kept repeating itself until I realised this. That is why I changed my signature, the power of love is truly amazing and you can protect yourself from negative energies, simply by emanating love.

In fact I had the opportunity of carrying this out both in meditation and a few times in my daily life. A big black snarling dog stood in the way of my entering a door in my meditation and when I was telling it to go away it of course remained. Eventually, remembering the lesson in love, I instead sent out love to it and held out my hand in friendship. This dog immediately submitted itself to me, lay down and let me stroke it. Now I know that was only in meditation but great lessons can be learned whilst in that state and has had an impact on me that will remain throughout my life.

I have also woke up in the middle of the night and have been terrified for absolutely no apparent reason. Perhaps I had a nightmare, but I felt uneasy, nervous, scared and did feel as though I was being psychically attacked. I started thinking love, and within minutes, the whole energy around me had changed and I just went back to sleep. Also whilst at Liverpool last year, I was walking in the dark to the car park and I could hear someone behind me. It made me feel nervous, then something told me to stop and turn around which I did and there was a man with his arm in the air who was just about to attack me, or mug me, or whatever. I just kept thinking to myself 'think love, think love, think love, and whatever he was going to do he just stopped and said 'oh sorry I thought you were a bloke' - charming I thought, but I just stood there and he walked on by down the road. I was so relieved and maybe it is just all coincidence, but I have this 'knowing' be it rightly or wrongly that this small lesson I was taught, is almost like a shield of armour and does change energies surrounding each of us and when doing so, anything that is negative around us changes too. I cannot put it any simply than that.

That video clip is extremely weird, the man has an ear missing and looks and sounds as though he isn't even human. To me it is like he is there, but he isn't home. And even the girl is strange too - do you think it is something to do with their eyes? They just look so vacant! I don't think I will be looking to join that church anytime soon! :)

Thank you for sharing you experience about LOVE. But I want to say, LOVE is not a TOOL to defeat FEAR, for LOVE and FEAR "were" just twins when your FREE WILL does not choose to accept that they are both your own creation.That's why I said it's very hard and important to understand how to use FREE WILL to balance LOVE.

I know there are all kinds of extraterrestrials have involved on helping humans to understand why we are here on earth experiencing the human reality. They offer various courses for us to learn,that have different grades. In the video clip which also represents a "weird" course of what I consider as "the lesson of FREE WILL". Just like what the illuminatis do all the time, they know how important the FREE WILL is and at the some time, they spread the LOVE lesson by supporting "Christianity" (but not Satanism for the mass this time), for there is a sequence for the courses to be arranged, every single step must refer to or accord with how our universe was born and grew up...

I agree with this sequence:

The Tao or God or Buddha begot "FREE WILL"
"FREE WILL" begot "LOVE"
"LOVE" begot"LIGHT"
LIGHT" begot everything else

And we humans were learning from the bottom to the top all the time... till we become the GOD on the top.

julieray

29-08-2009, 10:12 PM

Thank you for sharing you experience about LOVE. But I want to say, LOVE is not a TOOL to defeat FEAR, for LOVE and FEAR "were" just twins when your FREE WILL does not choose to accept that they are both your own creation.That's why I said it's very hard and important to understand how to use FREE WILL to balance LOVE.

I know there are all kinds of extraterrestrials have involved on helping humans to understand why we are here on earth experiencing the human reality. They offer various courses for us to learn,that have different grades. In the video clip which also represents a "weird" course of what I consider as "the lesson of FREE WILL". Just like what the illuminatis do all the time, they know how important the FREE WILL is and at the some time, they spread the LOVE lesson by supporting "Christianity" (but not Satanism for the mass this time), for there is a sequence for the courses to be arranged, every single step must refer to or accord with how our universe was born and grew up...

I agree with this sequence:

The Tao or God or Buddha begot "FREE WILL"
"FREE WILL" begot "LOVE"
"LOVE" begot"LIGHT"
LIGHT" begot everything else

And we humans were learning from the bottom to the top all the time... till we become the GOD on the top.

Hi Agate,
When you say love and fear were twins when free will does not choose to accept that they are both our creations. Can you explain a bit more. I understand that everything around us is our own creation through our actions and thoughts, but what I am unsure of is your comment in light of this when people do not know this. In fact most people do not know this and it is because of a lack of knowledge of the truth. Therefore if people do not know, how can they embrace both in balance knowing that they are twins. If you said that to anyone on the street they would just look at you with a blank expression. My meditation was a teaching to further my spiritual path and I hope that it has, both as protection and a way of life. Hope this makes sense.

kingmob

31-08-2009, 07:29 PM

Just watched David Wilcock's Enigma video. My opinion is that his research is very weak. This might be good for rookies, just getting into the truth research, but for people with some experience and some knowledge there is very little to gain in watching this. I do not recommend.

agate

03-09-2009, 04:49 PM

Hi Agate,
When you say love and fear were twins when free will does not choose to accept that they are both our creations. Can you explain a bit more. I understand that everything around us is our own creation through our actions and thoughts, but what I am unsure of is your comment in light of this when people do not know this. In fact most people do not know this and it is because of a lack of knowledge of the truth. Therefore if people do not know, how can they embrace both in balance knowing that they are twins. If you said that to anyone on the street they would just look at you with a blank expression. My meditation was a teaching to further my spiritual path and I hope that it has, both as protection and a way of life. Hope this makes sense.

It's all about my personal experience to understand the relationship between LOVE and FEAR, it's really hard to explain, it's almost like a paranoid experience that not all of the people will understand, for I grasped the knowledge of what I think the truth to be all by myself, I never practice meditation or similar method from which could lead people to learn more. I just follow my intuition to do the research about everything I'm interested in... This experience changed my life any all my old world view, and still more than that.

If I think the truth is already there, then I don't need to care too much about how people would react for that, for they will know it sooner or later.

I only talk to the people who were attracted by the information that I provided, so those people who on the street might never get a chance to communicate with me.

In order to explain why I'm so confident about it, I have to quote some words from < Tao te ching >

"Without for there is no desire.
Without desire there is."

agate

26-09-2009, 07:31 PM

10th planet ----Planet X------NIBIRU?

10th Planet-å¤ªé˜³ç³»ç¬¬10è¡Œæ˜Ÿ-Xè¡Œæ˜Ÿ(Planet X) - YouTube

antihypnosis

05-10-2009, 05:09 PM

mind1universe

05-10-2009, 05:21 PM

Wilcock is total disinformation. There is no 2012. Moreover, we aren't one. I hope we were, really. Its just a fairytale.

There are evil spirits among us (humans) as well as positive. There are alien spirits in human bodies (not all negative, though). There are spiritless ones.

So, obviously, we aren't one.
In this evil creation we aren't one, oneness can only exist in the true light creation, not here.

Liberation from this darkness has already started, we are going to our true home to fly in boundless white light, very soon...i think.

If you made vegtables soup you'd end up making giraffe limb soup.

You re read your post.

You seem like you know nothing about 2012. Yet you actually explain what 2012 is about on your last line. lol.

Oneness is all creation. Separation is experience. Oneness is wholeness

antihypnosis

05-10-2009, 08:32 PM

If you made vegtables soup you'd end up making giraffe limb soup.

You re read your post.

You seem like you know nothing about 2012. Yet you actually explain what 2012 is about on your last line. lol.

Oneness is all creation. Separation is experience. Oneness is wholeness

hehehe, it won't happen on 2012. You know what, no one knows what 2012 is, because everyone has a different theory, moreover, because it isn't real.

Oneness is wholeness, while we aren't whole and not everyone is going to be liberated. Actually a very small percentage are going to be.

The whole creation IS oneness I agree, but we aren't in the true creation, we're actually in an evil illusion created by an evil god.

We aren't here to experience anything, we're trapped here in this evil world (with all its dimension, universes, galaxies and the astral).

So please, don't keep repeating whatever you were told about our oneness and think for yourself.

mind1universe

05-10-2009, 10:53 PM

hehehe, it won't happen on 2012. You know what, no one knows what 2012 is, because everyone has a different theory, moreover, because it isn't real.

Oneness is wholeness, while we aren't whole and not everyone is going to be liberated. Actually a very small percentage are going to be.

The whole creation IS oneness I agree, but we aren't in the true creation, we're actually in an evil illusion created by an evil god.

We aren't here to experience anything, we're trapped here in this evil world (with all its dimension, universes, galaxies and the astral).

So please, don't keep repeating whatever you were told about our oneness and think for yourself.

This world is evil?:D

Oh dear. Oh DEAR.

I'm repeating? I doubt you even realise what your actually saying. Because its doesn't make any sense. Nobody told me anything.

I channel and use awareness. I don't need to conform or retain something I know already.

I know the facts of 2012. Most people who retain and conform like yourself believe in the pokey poo and theory. Because if you actually knew what it meant you would know there is no theory about it.

I know,
The powers of be know
And Some others know.

We don't assume it's a theory at all.

antihypnosis

06-10-2009, 01:23 AM

This world is evil?:D

Oh dear. Oh DEAR.

I'm repeating? I doubt you even realise what your actually saying. Because its doesn't make any sense. Nobody told me anything.

I channel and use awareness. I don't need to conform or retain something I know already.

I know the facts of 2012. Most people who retain and conform like yourself believe in the pokey poo and theory. Because if you actually knew what it meant you would know there is no theory about it.

I know,
The powers of be know
And Some others know.

We don't assume it's a theory at all.

Well, then...have a great ascension.

BTW don't trust any beings who tell you information through channeling.

A lot of disinformation is flowing around because of mediums like yourself who believe any message containing the "we are love" and "we are one" and slogans like that.

May your spirit lead you to truth, always.

mind1universe

06-10-2009, 04:11 PM

Well, then...have a great ascension.

BTW don't trust any beings who tell you information through channeling.

A lot of disinformation is flowing around because of mediums like yourself who believe any message containing the "we are love" and "we are one" and slogans like that.

May your spirit lead you to truth, always.

Thank you for your kind words. But love is the most powerful energy in the universe and love is the only thing that actually restores your DNA with no extra help from outside influences. Love is limitless, boundless, timeless, and everything. Giving love is never in short supply. Giving love actually mellows you and lifts you up.

Look around you,
Look at nature
Look at the animal kingdom
Look at the stars
Look at the universe.

It gives all the time.

You have not rememebered.

And finally you don't have to read channelings and people to know this. I've told you already I don't need to read others. I do find this insulting, especially when i corrected you on your assumptions.

Love and light to you. I expect that you will find your way and will let go the fear and doubts that you have that are holding you back.

antihypnosis

11-10-2009, 05:01 PM

Thank you for your kind words. But love is the most powerful energy in the universe and love is the only thing that actually restores your DNA with no extra help from outside influences. Love is limitless, boundless, timeless, and everything. Giving love is never in short supply. Giving love actually mellows you and lifts you up.

Look around you,
Look at nature
Look at the animal kingdom
Look at the stars
Look at the universe.

It gives all the time.

You have not rememebered.

And finally you don't have to read channelings and people to know this. I've told you already I don't need to read others. I do find this insulting, especially when i corrected you on your assumptions.

Love and light to you. I expect that you will find your way and will let go the fear and doubts that you have that are holding you back.

I didn't mean to insult you, but I was once where you are now.
I actually believed that stuff, but now I see the truth.
I just wanted to share what I know with you.

But you seem to have it all figured out, so...love and light to you too(though I doubt you'll find them in this world of evil programming).

antihypnosis

12-10-2009, 03:38 PM

http://www.flyingbuffaloes7.net/keluar4.html

mind1universe

13-10-2009, 04:32 PM

I didn't mean to insult you, but I was once where you are now.
I actually believed that stuff, but now I see the truth.
I just wanted to share what I know with you.

But you seem to have it all figured out, so...love and light to you too(though I doubt you'll find them in this world of evil programming).

1. You were not me, because you don't know who you are,

2. You doubt me, because you have your doubts in yourself.

3. Sharing with what you are with me, is fine,

But telling me who I am and what I don't know is dictating and insulting. Be more aware of your bullshit that you are projecting rather then focusing on trying to look like your smart.

It's not about believing in "stuff". It's about believing in you and what you do.

love and light and make sure you don't eject shining light from your ass.

Peace
Mind1

antihypnosis

16-10-2009, 11:29 PM

1. You were not me, because you don't know who you are,

2. You doubt me, because you have your doubts in yourself.

3. Sharing with what you are with me, is fine,

But telling me who I am and what I don't know is dictating and insulting. Be more aware of your bullshit that you are projecting rather then focusing on trying to look like your smart.

It's not about believing in "stuff". It's about believing in you and what you do.

love and light and make sure you don't eject shining light from your ass.

Peace
Mind1

1)I'm not you because I don't know who I am...I won't even reply to that , because I don't even know what it means!! :)

2) I doubt you because you are not right from my point of view, I may have doubts in myself (who doesn't) but that has nothing to do with it.

3)I already tried to share but you aren't opened minded enough to accept it, but its ok, whatever works with you.

Telling you what you didn't know, is helping. If you see it as dictating and insulting, then you got major problems

I'm wouldn't consider my self smart at all, but any how, what I'm projecting is truth, and that can never be negative.

You aren't God, quit believing anyone who tells you're a god, it just appeals to your ego, but deep down inside you know it isn't true.

Shinning light from my ass, huh?...you seem to be a really spiritual person.

shine on...

antihypnosis

17-10-2009, 05:28 AM

1)I'm not you because I don't know who I am...I won't even reply to that , because I don't even know what it means!! :)

2) I doubt you because you are not right from my point of view, I may have doubts in myself (who doesn't) but that has nothing to do with it.

3)I already tried to share but you aren't opened minded enough to accept it, but its ok, whatever works with you.

Telling you what you didn't know, is helping. If you see it as dictating and insulting, then you got major problems

I'm wouldn't consider my self smart at all, but any how, what I'm projecting is truth, and that can never be negative.

You aren't God, quit believing anyone who tells you're a god, it just appeals to your ego, but deep down inside you know it isn't true.

Shinning light from my ass, huh?...you seem to be a really spiritual person.

shine on...

ok, ok...let's be rational here...tell me, why do you think 2012 is real?

mind1universe

18-10-2009, 05:25 AM

1)I'm not you because I don't know who I am...I won't even reply to that , because I don't even know what it means!! :)

2) I doubt you because you are not right from my point of view, I may have doubts in myself (who doesn't) but that has nothing to do with it.

3)I already tried to share but you aren't opened minded enough to accept it, but its ok, whatever works with you.

Telling you what you didn't know, is helping. If you see it as dictating and insulting, then you got major problems

I'm wouldn't consider my self smart at all, but any how, what I'm projecting is truth, and that can never be negative.

You aren't God, quit believing anyone who tells you're a god, it just appeals to your ego, but deep down inside you know it isn't true.

Shinning light from my ass, huh?...you seem to be a really spiritual person.

shine on...

I'm been real, who uses all emotions. That is called been spiritual. You are everything with light and nothing without the darkness. I am not someone to try appear like an "angel trademark"

SO now what is your major personal issue. You mentioned it, so what is it.?!

It seems you get you so sexuality frustated on judging me. lets cut the crap and let's see you try get your point accross.

I await you.:)

mind1universe

18-10-2009, 05:26 AM

antihypnosis

18-10-2009, 11:20 AM

Let's put your crap aside.

SO now what is your major personal issue. You mentioned it, so what is it.?!

It seems you get you so sexuality frustated on judging me. So let's cut the crap and lets cut the crap and let's see you try get your point accross.

I await you.:)

(Paitently so adamantley)

I don't know why r u so frustrated with me, maybe its because I'm destroying your programming or something, I don't know.

My whole point is that 2012 isn't going to happen...it was going to happen, but things have changed and now nothing is going to happen...the ruling elite are just using it to scare the masses or to divert their attention to real stuff.

If you want to understand more read this...she said it better than I could ever do: http://www.flyingbuffaloes7.net/keluar4.html

antihypnosis

18-10-2009, 11:21 AM

You know who you are.

OK, WHO ARE YOU.

What??!!

72057594000000000vps

18-10-2009, 01:04 PM

All I can say after watching these, is basically, Wow.

I highly recommend the videos on this link.

http://www.divinecosmos.com/index.php?option=com_content&task=view&id=356&Itemid=70

Opening link doesnt seem to work.. Comes with this:
404 - Article #356 not found

You may not be able to visit this page because of:

1. an out-of-date bookmark/favourite
2. a search engine that has an out-of-date listing for this site
3. a mistyped address
4. you have no access to this page
5. The requested resource was not found.
6. An error has occurred while processing your request.

So:

http://divinecosmos.com/

and:

http://www.divinecosmos.com/index.php?option=com_content&task=view&id=356&Itemid=70 - Google-haku

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...and the first link out of google:

http://www.perfspot.com/groups/group.asp?id=AF7FE225-0FD2-48E3-865B-DD2FF6D0EE0E

mind1universe

18-10-2009, 11:08 PM

I don't know why r u so frustrated with me, maybe its because I'm destroying your programming or something, I don't know.

My whole point is that 2012 isn't going to happen...it was going to happen, but things have changed and now nothing is going to happen...the ruling elite are just using it to scare the masses or to divert their attention to real stuff.

If you want to understand more read this...she said it better than I could ever do: http://www.flyingbuffaloes7.net/keluar4.html

((((Shakes heads))))

What's the program?

What do you mean nothing is going to happen.

What did the ruling elite say to you? Did you have a conference meeting?

Everything just is. You have much to learn. Start with awareness. It would be benifecial to you.

mind1universe

18-10-2009, 11:17 PM

If you want to understand more read this...she said it better than I could ever do: http://www.flyingbuffaloes7.net/keluar4.html

Talk about sheep leading sheep.

In other words the man who wrote that is easily fooled. By "what this current ascension means"

This world is controlled by entities you and "that" guy would never know about. The human conditioning is so resiliant and programmed. One cannot see through the forest.

It's like 9/11. Everyone before that day were like sleep walking sheep. But when this day passed everyone was shattered. For 8 years people fought and reacted over all this and yet, still not aware of what really happened that day. The elites have been preparing you on this ascension long before our time. Everything in this world is coded. Everything happens as it's meant to. Everything is just is. 9/11 was actually the first major mark in waking the masses up. A certain amount of fear and darkness is needed to create evolution on our world. Many factions of the elite are not aware of the bigger picture when they play out these events. But within the pyranid system everything was assigned from the top. So not everyone in the elite are know alls I can assure you ;) But the real illuminati are confident in what they creating on this world. 2012 plays a maor role in that. You still have the choice of what reality you make. But the world may not suit your version of reality so you too can be phraesed out. The old energies are been shifted out.

2012, is just a date where the timelines of the past and future meet in the present. There is a lot you do not know about 2012. A lot you willl not find from books or mainstream sources. The same applies for that man on that link you posted. There are exceptionally well crafted beings behind scenes doiing teir jobs.

Your conception of 2012 is really mainstream and you do not seem to grasp the bigger picture. What you don't realise its not like it's a special year. It is the marking of humanity awakening to the new world (which is already taking shape)

Be aware. Thats the first step. It's only then you can change. 2012 like any year is what you make of it. The real illuminati are ensuring that things go to order. This planet needs rapid change and more rapid change is on the way.

Now you can sit here and argue with me and wallow in ignorance of different view points of what 2012 is, but you will fall behind if you don't put the ego and self righteous nonsense aside.

It's time for an electric shock near you!

You will not understand what 2012 is by reading books or any medium for that matter. So instead of looking like a fool and judging others on your lack of awareness on this matter. Maybe you should take a seat back and find out what you can benefet from this shift in reality. How can you find out what the timelines mean? How do you connect with the higher source.

Maybe your not putting your energies to good use.

mind1universe

18-10-2009, 11:35 PM

the ruling elite are just using it to scare the masses or to divert their attention to real stuff.

Yes you got one thing right. They are trying to scare you. It's up to you to face it or run away with the tail between your legs. They are bullying you. It's no big secret.

They can't do anything to you if your learn the basic of the "self"
Self awareness
Self control.
Self love
Self responsibilty.

When you solve the issues with the "self" the whole world changes right before you. When face your demons you become the light that you are. This is all done to evolve you and get you to face everything that you are. Because you are everything. But the human race is so cot up with the ego mind and matrix reality we are not aware including you. We don't know what the kingdom of god is. For the most of us, god means, power, worship, money, gold, makeup, good looks, hollywood, fame etc.

It's about choices and what you do with it. The more aware you are the more choices you have. You can stay been a victim, but after 2012, The victimisation will manifest up front where you have to to face up to your own fears and ways, or lose out. You cannot keep living in fear and running at the same time as the new dimensional shift takes full fold on this world. This is the graduation period. There is a lot of mis information going on as to what 2012 is about. Even David Wilcock is carried away by it. But that is ok. Deception is a key challenge that also has to be teased out. It's forcing us to rely on our own intuition and feelings rather than looking up to some guru.

The elites are made up of a very complex system. The unconscious of the "hiearchy elite" is infact you. It's the chess board of this game. You are the player, but you are also the game maker. You just don't realise it.

Feel the fear and do it anyway

Fear challenges you

Fear pushes you to love something

Fear reminds you of what you may lack in your life

Fear reminds you that you need to change

Fear is trying to tell you that you have choices

antihypnosis

19-10-2009, 03:26 PM

Then just relying on your "channeling" from beings you don't know if they're positive or negative

And on your "awareness" which might even be "false-light" awareness not a True-light one...there are 2 forces in the world by the way the, for simplification we'll call them "Evil-force" and "Righteous-force"

If we reached false-light, it will be very convincing to us to be the THE light, because we aren't accustomed to light .

I meditate, by the way and use my awareness, but I use it with the duality of forces in mind...awareness without knowledge and thought, might fire back at you.

Anyway, follow your heart while its way may stray for a while, its destination will always be true.

I've got nothing but respect and love to you.

antihypnosis

19-10-2009, 03:50 PM

((((Shakes heads))))

What's the program?

Well, here's what I believe (its probably not true), just what I feel is true, no evidences or researches, just, intuition:

All this truth "movement" is sponsored by the negative entities and the ruling elite, c'mon guys, we aren't fucking one alright. That's is what THEY want you to believe, because obviously there are positive spirits and there are dark spirits among us (and they are a lot), and there are alien consciousnesses in human bodies (not all negative though) and there are the ones that lack a spirit altogether and the ones with artificial consciousness.

So, from what I believe to be true, we are not one, its a fairytale. Just as 2012 is. All that life is beautiful but we are asleep and there is no evil, is pure bs (at least to me).

There is evil, no question about it, you knew it all your life, you were just brainwashed by this truth movement.

I do believe this world is an illusion (a Virtual Reality), but we aren't creating it, that's what mixing truth with lies is about. It is an illusion but it is an illusion of programming. Indeed, programming of all types has been going on since the Virtual Reality began. In effect, everything in the Virtual Reality works on programming. Some of the programming appears more natural and other types seem more artificial.

Natural programming includes: the four seasons, tidal movements, day and night, sunlight, karma, growth patterns, births, deaths, illnesses, genetic predispositions and celestial cycles.

Obvious artificial programming includes: product and service advertising, rules and regulations, political affiliation, religious commitment, education, culture, and mind-control techniques. Some programming takes on the appearance of goodness, whilst other types are more obviously evil.

The more natural-appearing programming is affected by astrology, numerology, logistics, timing and other factors. Genetic characteristics such as race, gender, height, health and so on are all part of programming.

The timing of one’s birth can impact the person’s character via astrological and numerological influences, which are forms of programming. Although astrology and numerology are subtle, unseen and not perceived by the majority of the people, the impact on lives by these two influences is real. Regardless of whether one believes in these influences, they still apply to daily life.

Clearly, the four seasons affect many aspects of life. Most people are aware of the impact of changing seasons regarding temperature, weather, length of daylight hours, biological growth cycles, planting and harvesting times etc. Some of the subtle effects from the seasons include mood swings, growth development and other things impacted by the amount of sunlight in a day. Even more subtle are the moon cycles, which can affect productivity, growth, creativity, mood and other behaviours. Geese and other birds migrate at various times, salmon spawn according to seasonal occurrences, and many other similar behaviours can be observed in nature.

Daily cycles are more obvious, such as whether a species of animal is diurnal or nocturnal. Whether an animal is an herbivore or a carnivore is programmed into them. In the case of trees, whether they are deciduous or evergreen is programmed into them too.

Today, humans are being bombarded with various forms of programming day and night(as in the 2012-hype). Programming is very widespread and it has become an integral part of life in the Virtual Reality. Programming in the Virtual Reality has the appearance of maintaining order.

Apart from controlling humans, it also affects animals and other life forms. The programming can be obvious, as in the case of advertisements, or very subtle, as in dream invasions and subliminal programming.

Places can be programmed to affect people.
The vibrations of people and events associated with a location can impact people who come into contact with the place. In this sense, the energies embedded in the place act as agents of programming.

The energies in programming virtually affect all facets of life. Even things that appear to have medical explanations such as phobias, psychological and emotional disorders and even physical diseases can be induced by programming. Aliens are prone to program humans with sleep disorders, sudden sleepiness, insomnia and virtual paralysis

Obsessive activities are indicators of extreme susceptibility to programming. Eating disorders, binge drinking and fanatical behaviour surrounding spectator events are examples of programming that can manifest in obsessive behaviour. However, the victims of this programming are often diagnosed as having psychological or stress-related disorders.

Sex is an activity to which both aliens and humans are extraordinarily prone. Its abuse is programmed into many people and aliens.

In some cases, chemical reactions are responsible for the programming of certain deviant sexual behaviours in humans and animals. Paedophilia is widespread because it is being deliberately programmed throughout the world. Whether the offenders are pre-disposed to it, or are attracted to it for other reasons, the foundation underlying this perversion is malicious programming.

Humans can be programmed via specific things that affect their energy. Food, water, alcohol, drugs, occupation, wealth/poverty, light, sounds, colours, surroundings and environmental factors can impact behaviour, health, well-being, and emotional and mental stability.

The list of programming causes and effects could go on and on. What is important to realize is that there are many beings performing programming upon people at any given time. Some of these beings are physical, and can easily be observed, and others are subtle

Always when people try to make sheep follow a new dogma they make it seem as truth, so they put some truth in it so you'd feel the energy of TRUTH. So WHY, why do you think that this new truth "religion" isn't the same as all previous religions which pretended to be true?

If you really want the truth you need to use your intuition, intelligence, wit, love and above all meditation. Any meditation that works for you is ok, but beware some meditations are so popular, their aim is to make you reach false-light believing its THE light, and since we are not acostumed to light, the false-light for us will be very convincing to be the THE light, so use intuition.

Don't follow anyone's beliefs just because they feel right initially too, just keep them in mind and go on with you truth-seeking until you see if it fits or not in the whole picture and so on.

That's the picture I see...and as you can see, if it really wasn't an evil world, the truth would have been quite easier to find, but obviously someone is supressing the truth so much that it is really hard to reach any truth.

I've reached the conclusion there is a God in this world and he is pure Evil, However, there is a True creation (not a virtual, like the matrix we're trapped in) with a true God of Light out there somewhere and they are coming to save our True-Light consciousness from this Evil creation by the impostor (God)...but it won't be on 2012, each consciousness will have its time, it isn't timed.

All we can do is reach a very little truth to get us through, I believe no one could be able to reach the whole and complete truth in this evil world (with all its dimensions), because we are programed to die reincarnate and forget. Reincarnation isn't a divine thing as widely known, it actually is an extremely evil imposition put upon us by the impostor.

I'm probably just a pessimistic asshole, but its what I feel is right.

mind1universe

19-10-2009, 10:54 PM

Well, here's what I believe (its probably not true), just what I feel is true, no evidences or researches, just, intuition:

All this truth "movement" is sponsored by the negative entities and the ruling elite, c'mon guys, we aren't fucking one alright. That's is what THEY want you to believe, because obviously there are positive spirits and there are dark spirits among us (and they are a lot), and there are alien consciousnesses in human bodies (not all negative though) and there are the ones that lack a spirit altogether and the ones with artificial consciousness.

So, from what I believe to be true, we are not one, its a fairytale. Just as 2012 is. All that life is beautiful but we are asleep and there is no evil, is pure bs (at least to me).

There is evil, no question about it, you knew it all your life, you were just brainwashed by this truth movement.

I've asked you not to judge me on a personal level. I've told you I'm not brainwashed by any truth movement. Why are you focused on my perception, when you cannot see your own? This is why I asked you, do you know who you are? Learn to connect with others through yourself before you judge.

Do you realise when you judge another you make the impact of judgment back to you.

If you really want the truth you need to use your intuition, intelligence, wit, love and above all meditation. Any meditation that works for you is ok, but beware some meditations are so popular, their aim is to make you reach false-light believing its THE light, and since we are not acostumed to light, the false-light for us will be very convincing to be the THE light, so use intuition.

I can't see you meditating, as your so ridcolously cautious. You need to start flowing with existence and all that is around you. Instead of looking really hypothetical, paranoid, skeptical and what not. These traits use up your vital energy rescources within you that you actually need for better use such as channeling. You are hilarious I must say in the way your trying to look a certain way. But it's not working. Seriously. Like if I meditate I'm all of a sudden enlghtened. NO. If you think this is it. Your sadly mistaken! But as the more you project the more you reveal.

Don't follow anyone's beliefs just because they feel right initially too, just keep them in mind and go on with you truth-seeking until you see if it fits or not in the whole picture and so on.

Give me an example where I am following? Do you even understand how unaware you really are? Who are you in postition tell one what to do?

That's the picture I see...and as you can see, if it really wasn't an evil world, the truth would have been quite easier to find, but obviously someone is supressing the truth so much that it is really hard to reach any truth.

Who said it was supposed to be "easy"

If you think in this way, God only knows the amount of limitations to what you really see!

I've reached the conclusion there is a God in this world and he is pure Evil, However, there is a True creation (not a virtual, like the matrix we're trapped in) with a true God of Light out there somewhere and they are coming to save our True-Light consciousness from this Evil creation by the impostor (God)...but it won't be on 2012, each consciousness will have its time, it isn't timed.

All we can do is reach a very little truth to get us through, I believe no one could be able to reach the whole and complete truth in this evil world (with all its dimensions), because we are programed to die reincarnate and forget. Reincarnation isn't a divine thing as widely known, it actually is an extremely evil imposition put upon us by the impostor.

I'm probably just a pessimistic asshole, but its what I feel is right.

Your not feeling right, because you judged the universe around you as evil. Why?

Because of ego and separatio. You have this assumption your separate from it. No matter how "spirtually evolved" you think you are. As reading through your replies it's showing your for a fact your not.Reverse evil backwards and you get live?!

Evil doesn't exist in the higher dimensions. It's like an apple tree won't grow in the Antarctic. Evil has no use in the higher realms. Evil and darkness has a purpose here. Evil means service to self and servicing self in separation. But you will not last very long this way. You wil deplete your energies and you will become almost oblivian to surviving only as a parasite. But it does not mean EvIL does not have any role within this universe. Evil represents darkness. Darkness is matter just as light is. Both co exist with each other. Whether you like it or not, whether you judge it or not.

If you feel pessismistic this is because you chosed to be. You made the decision by yourself to feel like shit. Nobody else made you. There is nobody else to blame but yourself.

You said "I do" to this world. If you think it's so god damn evil. Why aren't you doing something about it. People have this notion that they don't have free will. It's one of the laws in this universe and you have it. We are clouded by the physical limitations of this reality we don't seem to think we do. But the truth is, only you can make yourself get up off your ass and do something about your life and create what you want too. The test here is only here to push you on the evolution pedestal. Light at the end of the tunnel would be a well pictured point to this paragraph.

You said "I do",to this life so what are you going to do with it? You can divorce this contract and leave this world now if you want, if it's so evil. Remember you have choices.

I wish you well, But you have so much to learn and alot de programming to do. Dear Christ it's shocking how programmed you come across as(as going by your post). If your going to judge the world as it's run by an evil "entity" it means your judging yourself. The evil and deception created on this world, was brought here in this unique way on this world unlike any other world. It was a big taking to do. infact, it was to create an evolution within the third density experience to a heaven ascension reality. The 7 stages to the divine on one world.

This time around can bring many great possibilties all we need to do is be aware and realise who we really are and everything in life will begin to flow. The " I AM presence formula.

antihypnosis

19-10-2009, 11:24 PM

Your not feeling right, because you judged the universe around you as evil. Why

Because of ego, You think your separate from it. No matter how "spirtually evolved" you think you are. THe fact is your not.

Reverse evil backwards and you get live?!

Or this is just a concidence.

Evil doesn't exist in the higher dimensions. It's like an apple tree cannot grow in the antarctic. Evil and darkness has a purpose. If you feel pessismistic this is because you chosed to be. You made the decision by yourself to feel like shit. Nobody else made you. There is nobody else to blame.

You said " I do " to this world. If you think it's so god damn evil. Why aren't you doing something about it. People have this notion that they don't have free will. It's one of the laws in this universe and you have it. But we are clouded by the physical limitations of this reality we don't seem to think we do. But the truth is, only you can make yourself get up off your ass and do something about your life.

You said I do, so what are you going to do now. You can divorce the contract and leave this world if you want. Remember you have choices.

I wish you well, But you have so much to learn and de program within your mind. Dear christ it's shocking how programmed you come accross as.

I truly and totally understand what you're saying, I was there believe me.

But the biggest trick Darkness ever played was convincing you he didn't exist.

Please, just try to think about what I said and without any preconceived conclusions, assumptions or opinions...just meditate on it.

There isn't any real free will when your spirit is trapped in a soul and your soul trapped in a body and the body and brain are programmed...no freewill, only choices.

Evil is real, and its outside us, it isn't only our perception, and its God.

The other dimensions+the astral(I've been there) are in lot worse state than we're in, its only the illusion of peace and beauty that you see, just like in our dimension...but in truth they are very programed, even more than us, only they don't know, here I had a way to know.

All we can do now, is hold on to our will (spirit) and not give it up to darkness until the rescue mission is complete and darkness is no more.

Because the ride is going to get a lot more rough as we get closer to the demise of darkness

I wish there was anything I can do about it...but as I said before God is evil, I try my best...but he's too god damn powerful for me to do anything about it...but the light-workers will have their way with him, the rescue mission has already started and many light spirits have been liberated.

BTW the rescue mission appears to us to have taken millions of years to rescue us, but that's only because the imposition of time which the impostor imposed upon us...it was relatively a short time.

All you're saying is true, but in the true creation, all the oneness and love and purity are there, you were there before that's why they resonate with you so much...but unfortunately the impostor has imprisoned us in this virtual reality...but I know that the light-workers are coming to take the mother's children back to their true home...and it will be closer than you think (earth time, that is).

That's all I have to say, I won't try to push any information into your mind, all I want from you is to just give it the benefit of a doubt...if you don't want it's ok, its hard to understand truth in this darkness...at least I tried my best....I hope you'd be with us when we return to the light beyond the light...LOVE

P.S. There is another disease that is going to be aimed at the whole population of the earth, and no one will know its a disease, its like constant anxiousness, with no escape from it and people won't even know its a disease...most earth's population will die in the next few years(5 yrs give or take) and its going to be reaaaaally tough on light-spirits like ourselves...so please hold on tight to your will, they can destroy your body, but your spirit is eternal...thought I'd warn you, maybe when that happens you'd remember I told you and believe me.

P.S.S.believe me I'm the most spiritually "enlightened" being you've met until now...it isn't evolution you idiots.

mind1universe

19-10-2009, 11:37 PM

I truly and totally understand what you're saying, I was there believe me.

But the biggest trick Darkness ever played was convincing you he didn't exist.

Please, just try to think about what I said and without any preconceived conclusions, assumptions or opinions...just meditate on it.

There isn't any real free will when your spirit is trapped in a soul and your soul trapped in a body and the body and brain are programmed...no freewill, only choices.

Evil is real, and its outside us, it isn't only our perception, and its God.

The other dimensions+the astral(I've been there) are in lot worse state than we're in, its only the illusion of peace and beauty that you see, just like in our dimension...but in truth they are very programed, even more than us, only they don't know, here I had a way to know.

All we can do now, is hold on to our will (spirit) and not give it up to darkness until the rescue mission is complete and darkness is no more.

Because the ride is going to get a lot more rough as we get closer to the demise of darkness

I wish there was anything I can do about it...but as I said before God is evil, I try my best...but he's too god damn powerful for me to do anything about it...but the light-workers will have their way with him, the rescue mission has already started and many light spirits have been liberated.

BTW the rescue mission appears to us to have taken millions of years to rescue us, but that's only because the imposition of time which the impostor imposed upon us...it was relatively a short time.

All you're saying is true, but in the true creation, all the oneness and love and purity are there, you were there before that's why they resonate with you so much...but unfortunately the impostor has imprisoned us in this virtual reality...but I know that the light-workers are coming to take the mother's children back to their true home...and it will be closer than you think (earth time, that is).

That's all I have to say, I won't try to push any information into your mind, all I want from you is to just give it the benefit of a doubt...if you don't want it's ok, its hard to understand truth in this darkness...at least I tried my best....I hope you'd be with us when we return to the light beyond the light...LOVE

P.S. There is another disease that is going to be aimed at the whole population of the earth, and no one will know its a disease, its like constant anxiousness, with no escape from it and people won't even know its a disease...most earth's population will die in the next few years(5 yrs give or take) and its going to be reaaaaally tough on light-spirits like ourselves...so please hold on tight to your will, they can destroy your body, but your spirit is eternal...thought I'd warn you, maybe when that happens you'd remember I told you and believe me.

P.S.S.believe me I'm the most spiritually "enlightened" being you've met until now...it isn't evolution you idiots.

Oh boy If I were you now.

I'd give up.

But Since I know who I am. I don't need too. I can only suspect darkness will take you. I was going to re read your post until I read your last line. That was almost disturbing to read.

Anyway out of interest are you a fan of Destini?

antihypnosis

19-10-2009, 11:39 PM

I've asked you not to judge me on a personal level. I'm not brainwashed by any truth movement. Why are you focused on my perception, when you cannot see your own? This is why I asked you, do you know who you are?

Do you realise when you judge another you make the impact of judgment back to you.

I can't see you meditating, as your so cautious. You need to start flowing with existence. You are hilarious I must say in the way your trying to look a certain way. But it's not working. Seriously. Like if I meditate I'm all of a sudden enlghtened. NO. If you think this is it. Your sadly mistaken!

Give me an example where I am following? Do you even understand how unaware you really are?

Who said it was supposed to be "easy"

Your not feeling right, because you judged the universe around you as evil. Why

Because of ego, You think your separate from it. No matter how "spirtually evolved" you think you are. THe fact is your not.

Reverse evil backwards and you get live?!

Or this is just a concidence.

Evil doesn't exist in the higher dimensions. It's like an apple tree cannot grow in the antarctic. Evil and darkness has a purpose. If you feel pessismistic this is because you chosed to be. You made the decision by yourself to feel like shit. Nobody else made you. There is nobody else to blame.

You said " I do " to this world. If you think it's so god damn evil. Why aren't you doing something about it. People have this notion that they don't have free will. It's one of the laws in this universe and you have it. But we are clouded by the physical limitations of this reality we don't seem to think we do. But the truth is, only you can make yourself get up off your ass and do something about your life.

You said "I do", so what are you going to do right now?! You can divorce this contract and leave this world now if you want, if it's so evil. Remember you have choices.

I wish you well, But you have so much to learn and alot de programming to do. Dear Christ it's shocking how programmed you come across as(as going by your post). If your going to judge the world as it's run by an evil "entity" it means your judging yourself. The evil and deception created on this world, was brought here in this unique way on this world unlike any other world. It was a big taking to do. infact, it was to create an evolution within the third density experience to a heaven ascension reality. The 7 stages to the divine on one world.

This time around can bring many great possibilties all we need to do is be aware and realise who we really are and everything in life will begin to flow. The " I AM presence formula.

I know who I am , I'm a true-light spirit trapped in this hell.

3D isn't a school...you're so naiive, its a prison

Reincarnating is an evil impostion.

You are following the school of: there is no evil, the only true thing is love, we're in school to evolve to higher densities, you are following your chanelers, you are following what disinformation agents have been saying for millenniums, I haven't heard a single original word or thought in what you wrote....just like everybody else.

To keep it short, if you're a true-light spirit then you'd resonate with what I'm telling you, if you're a false-light one then I wouldn't even make sense to you.

So, I'm sorry if I mistakenly thought you were somebody else, sorry again.

antihypnosis

19-10-2009, 11:42 PM

Oh boy If I were you now.

I'd give up.

But Since I know who I am. I don't need too. I can only suspect darkness will take you. I was going to re read your post until I read your last line. That was almost disturbing to read.

Anyway out of interest are you a fan of Destini?

hehehehe...destenti is just another disinformation.

Sorry about that last line, it wasn't spiritual at all...I wasn't going to write it , but something gotten into me...sorry if I offended you.

antihypnosis

19-10-2009, 11:52 PM

If you even feel that I might be right is anything I'm saying check out:
http://www.xeeatwelve.net/

When I first came across it, I laughed my heart out and didn't return to it until about 2 years later by some strange synchronization...then I got it.

So don't judge initially just go through...

mind1universe

19-10-2009, 11:52 PM

hehehehe...destenti is just another disinformation.

Sorry about that last line, it wasn't spiritual at all...I wasn't going to write it , but something gotten into me...sorry if I offended you.

Take a deep breath come back later and then re read all you posted.

I'm tired of your childish judgments and using adjectives to describe me as a being. I am going to tell you one last time to stop judging and been offensive.

mind1universe

19-10-2009, 11:55 PM

I know who I am , I'm a true-light spirit trapped in this hell.

3D isn't a school...you're so naiive, its a prison

Reincarnating is an evil impostion.

You are following the school of: there is no evil, the only true thing is love, we're in school to evolve to higher densities, you are following your chanelers, you are following what disinformation agents have been saying for millenniums, I haven't heard a single original word or thought in what you wrote....just like everybody else.

To keep it short, if you're a true-light spirit then you'd resonate with what I'm telling you, if you're a false-light one then I wouldn't even make sense to you.

So, I'm sorry if I mistakenly thought you were somebody else, sorry again.

So if everyone "else" is evil,

What are you?

You don't seem to accept the universe. The universe is light and dark. Your not been real with yourself.

Face darkness and stop the bullshit " I am enlightened".

antihypnosis

20-10-2009, 12:01 AM

Take a deep breath come back later and then re read all you posted.

I'm tired of your childish judgments and using adjectives to describe me as a being. I am going to tell you one last time to stop judging and been offensive.

Alright, alright take it easy...my English isn't that well, I'm from Egypt. Maybe some of my ways of describing were offensive unintentionally...I was just trying to help, not to argue...if its going to be like this then lets end this conversation, have a great ascension...and look on from time to time from the 4th dimension please, being...nah just kidding...I'm sure you are a lovely person.
Goodbye...:)

mind1universe

20-10-2009, 12:10 AM

Alright, alright take it easy...my English isn't that well, I'm from Egypt. Maybe some of my ways of describing were offensive unintentionally...I was just trying to help, not to argue...if its going to be like this then lets end this conversation, have a great ascension...and look on from time to time from the 4th dimension please, being...nah just kidding...I'm sure you are a lovely person.
Goodbye...:)

I'm always up for a challenge and a debate. But I know my instincts very well. I took a big step backward to go forward in a sense. This universe means everything to me. I know I cannot ascend if the rest does not.

All you have is each other. So less passing judgment and heal your heart. If you have a radiating heart evil will deminish.

This world is challenging, but don't give up. Don't doubt the world that is true for you. It is the world you created. Multidimensional existence is very real. Judging from one point with one perspective will always end you up in a hole.

No worries bro!
Take care. :)

The world is full of deception, but are you going to give up? now?
Hey you!

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7y-O2Mxs2ns&feature=PlayList&p=ED05F18CCCD09E62&index=64

thirdwave

20-10-2009, 12:36 AM

My whole point is that 2012 isn't going to happen...

for me this is an odd statement as for me its already happening and why this very conversation is taking place.

many people like to tie it to an event of some kind so when the actual day passes they can pretend it all means nothing, when the evidence is all around us today and Im sure 2012 is going to be just as relevant.

just because people speculate about what might happen around that time it does not conclude its an irrelevant time..

pessi_optimist

21-10-2009, 07:58 PM