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mark1963
20-03-2010, 10:58 AM
I have been researching the Thyroid gland recently, so imagine my happiness when Coast 2 Coast broadcast a whole program about it.

We are being deliberately stripped of iodine in our diets.

Fluoride (water, toothpaste, etc), Chloride (Water, washing up liquid, detergent, cleaning products) Bromide (white flour products, bread, cakes, etc) are in the same group on the periodic table as iodine.

They substitute themselves very easily for iodine in the thyroid molecule.

A blood test from your doctor will show a normal thyroid test, but, the thyroid molecule is no longer iodine based and so the molecule is ineffective.

In other words - EVERYONE - will have thyroid deficiencies.

Thyroid is the underlying cause for our health in EVERY process in the human body.

A lack of it will lead to EVERY disease we see today - Alzheimer's, ADD, heart disease, diabetes, cataracts, arthritis - you name it, a lack of thyroid will act as a catalyst for all diseases in every case.

Iodine was dropped from vitamins and minerals in the late 80's and this was carried out obstensively because iodine was dangerous. Looking back on this decision it is utter BS.

Iodine in the mg range is perfectly safe and is massively needed by the body.

We need at least 12mg (Japanese diet) of iodine daily. We are lucky to get 1mg daily in our western diets - and if our food is non-organic then the fertilisers used in production will destroy that.

Kelp is only 54mg per 100gm, so getting it from that may be a problem. Iodised salt is no good, wrong type of iodine, does not get absorbed by the body. Organic unprocessed Sea Salt does have good iodine in it, but, not alot.

Please check this link on iodine:

Iodine - Why We Need It (http://www.regenerativenutrition.com/content.asp?id=523#)


This link is the link to the Coast 2 Coast program, please listen to it all, there is a mass of information, especially about the UK blood test:

Coast 2 Coast - 9/3/2010 - Thyroid

Here is another excellent site:

http://www.stopthethyroidmadness.com/

The best product I have heard about for iodine is Lugol's Iodine - available on the web.

3 drops is equivalent to the 12mg you need daily.

People with mercury fillings would need up to 50mg per day it has been found.

princessofwands
20-03-2010, 11:21 AM
I just checked my Centrum Advance multi-vits and they do have iodine in, apparently 66.7% of my daily requirement.

But thanks for the info. I agree, weakening our thyroids is an obvious way of dumbing us down.

heebeejeebee
20-03-2010, 11:39 AM
I read about this a bit back, the suggestion offered was dulse as it has high levels of natural iodine.

here's a bit of info about it:

Dulse (Dillisk, Sea Grass, or Palmaria Palmata) is a variety of seaweed derived from the colder waters of the North Atlantic and Northwest Pacific Oceans. Dulse attaches to rocks by means of a holdfast and is a red or purplish color. Because of its high levels of natural iodine and rich mineral content it is used favorably as a dietary supplement and medicinally as a treatment for thyroid disorders. In addition to its high iodine levels, it is a rich source of potassium, zinc, manganese, iron, magnesium, vitamin A, vitamin B1 (thiamin), vitamin B2 (riboflavin), vitamin B6 (pyridoxine), vitamin C (absorbic acid), calcium, and vitamin E.

Because thyroid disease often is precipitated by low iodine levels, many individuals suffering from hyperthyroidism or hypothyroidism benefit from supplementing with dulse. Although iodine is added to our common table salt, it is in synthetic form, devoid of any natural minerals to aid in its absorption.

http://www.marysgarden.com/colostrum/dulse.htm

uk supplier http://www.goodnessdirect.co.uk/cgi-local/frameset/detail/415790_Clearspring_Atlantic_Dulse_50g.html

us supplier http://www.starwest-botanicals.com/category/dulse-leaf/

sheepy
20-03-2010, 11:45 AM
Thank you very much for posting. I have just been diagnosed with Hashimoto's thyroiditis and hypothyroidism. I shall definitely be looking more into this. Currently, I am being prescribed L-thyroxine which is a synthetic thyroid hormone which I have been told I must take for life. Obviously, I would prefer to take the natural route and your link looks like a good place to start!

mynameis
20-03-2010, 11:52 AM
Endocrine disruptors can lead to many diseases. However, most of them are found in what we eat and drink, by design.:mad:

21_12_2012
20-03-2010, 11:52 AM
I read about this a bit back, the suggestion offered was dulse as it has high levels of natural iodine.

here's a bit of info about it:

Dulse (Dillisk, Sea Grass, or Palmaria Palmata) is a variety of seaweed derived from the colder waters of the North Atlantic and Northwest Pacific Oceans. Dulse attaches to rocks by means of a holdfast and is a red or purplish color. Because of its high levels of natural iodine and rich mineral content it is used favorably as a dietary supplement and medicinally as a treatment for thyroid disorders. In addition to its high iodine levels, it is a rich source of potassium, zinc, manganese, iron, magnesium, vitamin A, vitamin B1 (thiamin), vitamin B2 (riboflavin), vitamin B6 (pyridoxine), vitamin C (absorbic acid), calcium, and vitamin E.

Because thyroid disease often is precipitated by low iodine levels, many individuals suffering from hyperthyroidism or hypothyroidism benefit from supplementing with dulse. Although iodine is added to our common table salt, it is in synthetic form, devoid of any natural minerals to aid in its absorption.

http://www.marysgarden.com/colostrum/dulse.htm

uk supplier http://www.goodnessdirect.co.uk/cgi-local/frameset/detail/415790_Clearspring_Atlantic_Dulse_50g.html

us supplier http://www.starwest-botanicals.com/category/dulse-leaf/

Thanks for the info, I just ordered some from the UK place.

int50
20-03-2010, 12:16 PM
I just checked my Centrum Advance multi-vits and they do have iodine in, apparently 66.7% of my daily requirement.

But thanks for the info. I agree, weakening our thyroids is an obvious way of dumbing us down.

I bet your centrum has Magnesium Stereate in it? If it does, google "Magnesium Stearate immunosuppressant cell death".

Magnesium Stearate immunosuppressant cell death - Google Search

princessofwands
20-03-2010, 12:41 PM
No, it has Magnesium Oxide in it....anything wrong with that? :confused:

mark1963
20-03-2010, 12:44 PM
I just checked my Centrum Advance multi-vits and they do have iodine in, apparently 66.7% of my daily requirement.

But thanks for the info. I agree, weakening our thyroids is an obvious way of dumbing us down.

Quite possibly there has been some re-introduction.

I remember clearly that it was taken out in the late 80's as I was bodybuilding at the time and felt cheated for a long time.

BTW - how much is the 66% of iodine.

princessofwands
20-03-2010, 12:46 PM
Mark, the iodine is 100 yg (the y is reversed, so it must be another kind of symbol)

mark1963
20-03-2010, 12:47 PM
Thank you very much for posting. I have just been diagnosed with Hashimoto's thyroiditis and hypothyroidism. I shall definitely be looking more into this. Currently, I am being prescribed L-thyroxine which is a synthetic thyroid hormone which I have been told I must take for life. Obviously, I would prefer to take the natural route and your link looks like a good place to start!

Thyroxine (T4) according to the Doctor on the C2C interview is not the active form of thyroid. T3 is.

Thyroxine is mostly iodine anyway.

mark1963
20-03-2010, 12:48 PM
Endocrine disruptors can lead to many diseases. However, most of them are found in what we eat and drink, by design.:mad:

I agree totally.

mark1963
20-03-2010, 12:51 PM
Mark, the iodine is 100 yg (the y is reversed, so it must be another kind of symbol)

Yes, that's micrograms and is totally useless.

How can micrograms be 66% - a microgram is 100th of a milligram.

sheepy
20-03-2010, 12:52 PM
Thyroxine (T4) according to the Doctor on the C2C interview is not the active form of thyroid. T3 is.

Thyroxine is mostly iodine anyway.

Thanks for the heads up! This is all new to me at the moment. I shall let you know how I get on!

freedom1st
20-03-2010, 12:56 PM
Thanks for the info, I just ordered some from the UK place.

Are you currently taking thyroxine by any chance. I ask because I take this and I understand that if you also take iodine you could be putting yourself at risk. I guess it's a case of replacing one with the other.
I'm off to see a consultant on Monday to try to get a natural alternative, I'm not holding my breath though. If the consultant doesn't come up with anything then I will probably stop taking the thyroxine and order the natural stuff.

freedom1st
20-03-2010, 12:56 PM
Thyroxine (T4) according to the Doctor on the C2C interview is not the active form of thyroid. T3 is.

Thyroxine is mostly iodine anyway.

So if you can get the T3 (which they do prescribe sometimes) then is that better or worse than taking the natural sea grass?

mark1963
20-03-2010, 01:09 PM
So if you can get the T3 (which they do prescribe sometimes) then is that better or worse than taking the natural sea grass?

I'm not a doctor so this is not advice (legal reasons)

T3 is 100 times better than T4. T4 for most people is ineffective after a short while.

Whole thyroid gland prescribed from a practitioner is the best of all.

Nutri in the UK make whole thyroid gland, but, has the T4 removed. ;)

They have lists of practitioners in your area:

Nutri (http://www.nutri-online1.co.uk/Patients/Products/GlandularFormulas/tabid/653/Default.aspx)

Call them it's freephone.

I do not know whether they have a thyroid product that is whole so to speak that practitioners can prescribe.

freedom1st
20-03-2010, 01:18 PM
I'm not a doctor so this is not advice (legal reasons)

T3 is 100 times better than T4. T4 for most people is ineffective after a short while.

Whole thyroid gland prescribed from a practitioner is the best of all.

Nutri in the UK make whole thyroid gland, but, has the T4 removed. ;)

They have lists of practitioners in your area:

Nutri (http://www.nutri-online1.co.uk/Patients/Products/GlandularFormulas/tabid/653/Default.aspx)

Call them it's freephone.

I do not know whether they have a thyroid product that is whole so to speak that practitioners can prescribe.

Thanks for that. Very good info!

sheepy
20-03-2010, 01:47 PM
Are you currently taking thyroxine by any chance. I ask because I take this and I understand that if you also take iodine you could be putting yourself at risk. I guess it's a case of replacing one with the other.
I'm off to see a consultant on Monday to try to get a natural alternative, I'm not holding my breath though. If the consultant doesn't come up with anything then I will probably stop taking the thyroxine and order the natural stuff.

Currently, I am only taking the Thyroxine. I have just been put on L-Thyroxine 25mg for two weeks after which it will go up to 50mg. I am then to go back to my endocrynologist at the end of 3 months for further tests to see whether or not a higher dose will be required thereafter. But like you would eventually like to replace the thyroxine with a natural remedy as I am not entirely sure what the long term effects of this drug are. I even read somewhere that it may cause breast cancer when used over a long period of time :eek:

You are right about not taking both at the same time though as I did ask my consultant about this.

sheepy
20-03-2010, 01:49 PM
I'm not a doctor so this is not advice (legal reasons)

T3 is 100 times better than T4. T4 for most people is ineffective after a short while.

Whole thyroid gland prescribed from a practitioner is the best of all.

Nutri in the UK make whole thyroid gland, but, has the T4 removed. ;)

They have lists of practitioners in your area:

Nutri (http://www.nutri-online1.co.uk/Patients/Products/GlandularFormulas/tabid/653/Default.aspx)

Call them it's freephone.

I do not know whether they have a thyroid product that is whole so to speak that practitioners can prescribe.

What name is T3 marketed under? Apologies if this seems like a dumb question but I am still rather new to all of this.

sheepy
20-03-2010, 02:00 PM
When I lived in Russia, a friend of mine suggested that a good way to test whether or not one has sufficient iodine is to do a simple home iodine skin test (by applying a drop of iodine on your arm and observing how fast it disappears). The Russias swear by it.

However, Western consultants are more cynical of such tests for reasons outlined in the article below:

http://thyroid.about.com/library/derry/bl2a.htm

mark1963
20-03-2010, 02:13 PM
What name is T3 marketed under? Apologies if this seems like a dumb question but I am still rather new to all of this.

I'm not sure. I do not even know if you can get it in the UK.

mark1963
20-03-2010, 02:14 PM
When I lived in Russia, a friend of mine suggested that a good way to test whether or not one has sufficient iodine is to do a simple home iodine skin test (by applying a drop of iodine on your arm and observing how fast it disappears). The Russias swear by it.

However, Western consultants are more cynical of such tests for reasons outlined in the article below:

http://thyroid.about.com/library/derry/bl2a.htm

I've not heard about that before.

I'll try it with some Lugol's.

21_12_2012
20-03-2010, 02:17 PM
Are you currently taking thyroxine by any chance. I ask because I take this and I understand that if you also take iodine you could be putting yourself at risk. I guess it's a case of replacing one with the other.
I'm off to see a consultant on Monday to try to get a natural alternative, I'm not holding my breath though. If the consultant doesn't come up with anything then I will probably stop taking the thyroxine and order the natural stuff.

No, I've never taken thyroxine. Thanks for the info though.

devinet01
20-03-2010, 02:38 PM
Hi from France

My sister had serious hyper-thyroïd problems especially 2 months ago with classic symptoms. No improvement of her TSH rate (which was very low : 0,007) in spite of the drugs her endocrinologue gave her. I told my sister about mms1 and she eventually tried it. The analyses result, one week after absorbing it, was astonishing:

Her TSH rate rose up to 0,118 and 10 days after it went up to 2,248 uUI/ml. (the minimum indicated on the analyse results being of 0,350 and the maximum of 4,940 -- NOTA : maybe those figures are different in other countries)

Now, it is always stabilized. She is currently at 6 drops of mms1 twice a day.

freedom1st
20-03-2010, 02:44 PM
Currently, I am only taking the Thyroxine. I have just been put on L-Thyroxine 25mg for two weeks after which it will go up to 50mg. I am then to go back to my endocrynologist at the end of 3 months for further tests to see whether or not a higher dose will be required thereafter. But like you would eventually like to replace the thyroxine with a natural remedy as I am not entirely sure what the long term effects of this drug are. I even read somewhere that it may cause breast cancer when used over a long period of time :eek:

You are right about not taking both at the same time though as I did ask my consultant about this.

You're on the same meds as me but I take 150mg a day (I did start off on a lower dose like you are now). These meds are T4 which are not very good from what I can gather, and they have been found to cause depression and anxiety - this is why I got a referral to the consultant to see if I could get something better, or ideally natural, prescribed on the NHS. If I can't then I will have to pay for the better option myself - I think it'll be worth it.

freedom1st
20-03-2010, 02:47 PM
I'm not sure. I do not even know if you can get it in the UK.

Yes you can. My GP said they do sometimes prescribe T3. I'll be asking the consultant about it before deciding to go with that or the more natural option.

freedom1st
20-03-2010, 02:49 PM
Hi from France

My sister had serious hyper-thyroïd problems especially 2 months ago with classic symptoms. No improvement of her TSH rate (which was very low : 0,007) in spite of the drugs her endocrinologue gave her. I told my sister about mms1 and she eventually tried it. The analyses result, one week after absorbing it, was astonishing:

Her TSH rate rose up to 0,118 and 10 days after it went up to 2,248 uUI/ml. (the minimum indicated on the analyse results being of 0,350 and the maximum of 4,940 -- NOTA : maybe those figures are different in other countries)

Now, it is always stabilized. She is currently at 6 drops of mms1 twice a day.

Wow! I've got some mms in my fridge (been waiting for an outbreak of something before taking it). It's been there for months, perhaps I'll give it a go.

mark1963
20-03-2010, 03:00 PM
Hi from France

My sister had serious hyper-thyroïd problems especially 2 months ago with classic symptoms. No improvement of her TSH rate (which was very low : 0,007) in spite of the drugs her endocrinologue gave her. I told my sister about mms1 and she eventually tried it. The analyses result, one week after absorbing it, was astonishing:

Her TSH rate rose up to 0,118 and 10 days after it went up to 2,248 uUI/ml. (the minimum indicated on the analyse results being of 0,350 and the maximum of 4,940 -- NOTA : maybe those figures are different in other countries)

Now, it is always stabilized. She is currently at 6 drops of mms1 twice a day.

Yes, the Doctor on the C2C program talks about it. It is very good apparently.

I must get some.

Thanks for sharing.

sheepy
20-03-2010, 05:15 PM
Hi from France

My sister had serious hyper-thyroïd problems especially 2 months ago with classic symptoms. No improvement of her TSH rate (which was very low : 0,007) in spite of the drugs her endocrinologue gave her. I told my sister about mms1 and she eventually tried it. The analyses result, one week after absorbing it, was astonishing:

Her TSH rate rose up to 0,118 and 10 days after it went up to 2,248 uUI/ml. (the minimum indicated on the analyse results being of 0,350 and the maximum of 4,940 -- NOTA : maybe those figures are different in other countries)

Now, it is always stabilized. She is currently at 6 drops of mms1 twice a day.

Wow! First time I've heard of it! Thanks for sharing!

mark1963
20-03-2010, 07:43 PM
The best product I have heard about for iodine is Lugol's Iodine - available on the web.

3 drops is equivalent to the 12mg you need daily.

People with mercury fillings would need up to 50mg per day it has been found.

mark1963
20-03-2010, 09:57 PM
I am bumping this - it needs to be at the top for at least 24 hours.

urbanmonk
20-03-2010, 10:37 PM
What do folks mean by T3 is that basically saying they will take Armour Thyroid?

mark1963
20-03-2010, 10:40 PM
What do folks mean by T3 is that basically saying they will take Armour Thyroid?

Can you get armour anymore - I thought it was synthoid now.

No, T3 is part of the whole thyroid complex, it is the active molecule but not the whole.

pegcityevolve
20-03-2010, 10:42 PM
Wow I never knew you ever needed this much iodine. I did read up on it before which motivated me to get my mom to get sea salt instead (which is synthetic iodine probably..) and to buy pure water. I also started ordering Vita Synergy for my nutrients as I found there was no iodine in my store bought one at all. There is 150mcg of real organic iodine in each serving. Which is obviously nothing to 12mg.

Any good suppliers for canada, that do paypal?

urbanmonk
20-03-2010, 10:45 PM
Can you get armour anymore - I thought it was synthoid now.

No, T3 is part of the whole thyroid complex, it is the active molecule but not the whole.

Well it would be better trying to get blood from a stone than trying to get a Doc to prescribe you Armour, afaik it is still available but you might need to try alternate sources (mexican online pharmacy)

mark1963
20-03-2010, 10:51 PM
Wow I never knew you ever needed this much iodine. I did read up on it before which motivated me to get my mom to get sea salt instead (which is synthetic iodine probably..) and to buy pure water. I also started ordering Vita Synergy for my nutrients as I found there was no iodine in my store bought one at all. There is 150mcg of real organic iodine in each serving. Which is obviously nothing to 12mg.

Any good suppliers for canada, that do paypal?

Unprocessed organic sea salt is good - just not much iodine in it.

150mcg is nothing - waste of money.

Go online and search for Lugol's Iodine - it's on ebay as well.

The PTB are deliberately destroying our health by limiting and denying iodine in our diets - as well as the use of fluoride, mercury, chlorine, bromine.

pegcityevolve
20-03-2010, 11:12 PM
Yes I would of thought so, I only purchased it for all the organic whole-food vitamins, minerals, herbs, flowers, and spices and for at least having some iodine.

I will definitely check out Lugol's iodine on ebay, thanks for the suggestion!

Would this be a good one to order?

http://cgi.ebay.co.uk/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=270507766136&ih=017&category=1279&ssPageName=STORE:PROMOBOX:NEWLIST

mark1963
21-03-2010, 10:04 AM
Yes I would of thought so, I only purchased it for all the organic whole-food vitamins, minerals, herbs, flowers, and spices and for at least having some iodine.

I will definitely check out Lugol's iodine on ebay, thanks for the suggestion!

Would this be a good one to order?

http://cgi.ebay.co.uk/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=270507766136&ih=017&category=1279&ssPageName=STORE:PROMOBOX:NEWLIST


A better one is 7% solution - 3 drops 12mg.

http://cgi.ebay.co.uk/Lugols-Lugols-Iodine-7-strength-50ml-bottle_W0QQitemZ280444398556QQcmdZViewItemQQptZUK_ Health_Beauty_Natural_AlternativeTherapies?hash=it em414bc9ebdc

fekdemasons
21-03-2010, 11:38 AM
I have been researching the Thyroid gland recently, so imagine my happiness when Coast 2 Coast broadcast a whole program about it.

We are being deliberately stripped of iodine in our diets.

Fluoride (water, toothpaste, etc), Chloride (Water, washing up liquid, detergent, cleaning products) Bromide (white flour products, bread, cakes, etc) are in the same group on the periodic table as iodine.

They substitute themselves very easily for iodine in the thyroid molecule.

A blood test from your doctor will show a normal thyroid test, but, the thyroid molecule is no longer iodine based and so the molecule is ineffective.

In other words - EVERYONE - will have thyroid deficiencies.

Thyroid is the underlying cause for our health in EVERY process in the human body.

A lack of it will lead to EVERY disease we see today - Alzheimer's, ADD, heart disease, diabetes, cataracts, arthritis - you name it, a lack of thyroid will act as a catalyst for all diseases in every case.

Iodine was dropped from vitamins and minerals in the late 80's and this was carried out obstensively because iodine was dangerous. Looking back on this decision it is utter BS.

Iodine in the mg range is perfectly safe and is massively needed by the body.

We need at least 12mg (Japanese diet) of iodine daily. We are lucky to get 1mg daily in our western diets - and if our food is non-organic then the fertilisers used in production will destroy that.

Kelp is only 54mg per 100gm, so getting it from that may be a problem. Iodised salt is no good, wrong type of iodine, does not get absorbed by the body. Organic unprocessed Sea Salt does have good iodine in it, but, not alot.

Please check this link on iodine:

Iodine - Why We Need It (http://www.regenerativenutrition.com/content.asp?id=523#)


This link is the link to the Coast 2 Coast program, please listen to it all, there is a mass of information, especially about the UK blood test:

Coast 2 Coast - 9/3/2010 - Thyroid (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=oJC_rS9nkTg&feature=related)

Here is another excellent site:

http://www.stopthethyroidmadness.com/

The best product I have heard about for iodine is Lugol's Iodine - available on the web.

3 drops is equivalent to the 12mg you need daily.

People with mercury fillings would need up to 50mg per day it has been found.

Fuck , I have 6 or 7 amalgam fillings , DO I NEED 350MGS A DAY ??

danster82
21-03-2010, 01:26 PM
In the end its quite simple does taking iodine supplement increase your health? do you feel better?

If not then it wasn't an issue.


If your taking iodine and you feel much better let us know.

mark1963
21-03-2010, 03:27 PM
You can check if you need thyroid medication by doing a Basal Metabolic Rate (BSR) test first thing in the morning for a few days.

That's sticking a thermometer under your armpit before moving upon waking. It's fast and very reliable, better than a UK blood-test, that's for sure.

Everyone needs more iodine in the west, unless you eat loads of fishy products like the Japanese.

21_12_2012
24-03-2010, 02:07 PM
Does anyone know, apart from the price, if there is much difference between Lugols Iodine and this iodine:-

http://www.magnascent.com/

I got the lugols delivered this morning.

freedom1st
24-03-2010, 06:45 PM
Ok so I went to see the consultant. Very nice man and accepting of the fact that big pharma are not to be trusted. Totally agreed with me on the whole swine flu thing. So basically not your typical robot.

Anyway, he said that taking iodine would only work if the thyroid is working and mine isn't so he said it wouldn't help me. He also disagreed with the notion of needing to take more iodine each day. He was aware of armour and most of what was discussed on here. He said that the problem is the testing of each patient to make sure they are taking the correct amount and that with something like armour it was difficult to measure because one batch could contain more of the substance than another.

He admitted that the use of T4 in the NHS was more to do with its safety, ie. it's easier to measure the body's reaction. However, he is going to prescribe T3 for me and he also wants to check my cortisol levels. I have to now wait for a nurse appointment in order to take tests and then he will see what needs to be prescribed and how much.

kukulkola
24-03-2010, 07:05 PM
I take kelp powder for it's iodine content. Sometimes I wake up late and feeling bloated in the face from poor sleep so I take a tablespoon of kelp along with half a gallon of water before I leave the house. I pee like 8 times and flush my face back down to normal.

Kelp micronutrients attach to heavy metals and carry them out of the body. Kelp nutrients actually clean individual cells from excessive build up. Kelp purifies the body.

I can't say ive ever noticed any thyroid elevation from kelp though because i'm no more than 9% bf so it wouldnt have an affect on me. But I feel more resistant to cold weather so I believe kelp elevates your thyroid thus your thyroid adapts to outer stresses such as cold weather much easier.

mark1963
24-03-2010, 07:23 PM
Does anyone know, apart from the price, if there is much difference between Lugols Iodine and this iodine:-

http://www.magnascent.com/

I got the lugols delivered this morning.

It appears to be charged form of iodine. I'm not sure how that affects it's efficacy though.

http://www.subtleenergytherapyuk.com/MagnascentIodine_pg.html

Let us know how you get on with Lugol's.

mark1963
24-03-2010, 07:25 PM
Ok so I went to see the consultant. Very nice man and accepting of the fact that big pharma are not to be trusted. Totally agreed with me on the whole swine flu thing. So basically not your typical robot.

Anyway, he said that taking iodine would only work if the thyroid is working and mine isn't so he said it wouldn't help me. He also disagreed with the notion of needing to take more iodine each day. He was aware of armour and most of what was discussed on here. He said that the problem is the testing of each patient to make sure they are taking the correct amount and that with something like armour it was difficult to measure because one batch could contain more of the substance than another.

He admitted that the use of T4 in the NHS was more to do with its safety, ie. it's easier to measure the body's reaction. However, he is going to prescribe T3 for me and he also wants to check my cortisol levels. I have to now wait for a nurse appointment in order to take tests and then he will see what needs to be prescribed and how much.


I've highlighted the bit.

If you are not getting enough iodine in the first place then how could he say we do not need to supplement it?

A typical western diet is highly deficient in iodine.

Good luck with the T3.

mark1963
24-03-2010, 07:28 PM
I take kelp powder for it's iodine content. Sometimes I wake up late and feeling bloated in the face from poor sleep so I take a tablespoon of kelp along with half a gallon of water before I leave the house. I pee like 8 times and flush my face back down to normal.

Kelp micronutrients attach to heavy metals and carry them out of the body. Kelp nutrients actually clean individual cells from excessive build up. Kelp purifies the body.

I can't say ive ever noticed any thyroid elevation from kelp though because i'm no more than 9% bf so it wouldnt have an affect on me. But I feel more resistant to cold weather so I believe kelp elevates your thyroid thus your thyroid adapts to outer stresses such as cold weather much easier.

Kelp is an excellent detoxifier, but only contains 45mg of iodine per 100gm. Not enough unless you take quite a bit of it during the day. We need 12mg per day at least and lots more if you drink fluoridated water, have mercury fillings - up to 50mg per day.

urbanmonk
24-03-2010, 08:18 PM
Does anyone know, apart from the price, if there is much difference between Lugols Iodine and this iodine:-

http://www.magnascent.com/

I got the lugols delivered this morning.

Thread convinced me to get some and it came today, could only get a 7% solution though so will see how it goes.

The charged iodine stuff you mention I actually came across a link on that stuff yesterday with some glowing reviews of it.

I did that test shown in the video in Op's post where you drop a bit on your arm and rub it in, after 8 hours it was all gone :( am assuming that is bad.

Would it be best just starting on 3 drops in a glass daily or should I go for more, am thinking just the three for a few weeks and then up it to 3 drops twice a day and then after another 2 weeks will do that test again.

Edit:Forgot to add I got some Selenium tablets aswell but am unsure if they can/should be taken at the same time as the Lugols or an hour before or an hour after sort of thing.

urbanmonk
24-03-2010, 08:23 PM
Can you get armour anymore - I thought it was synthoid now.

No, T3 is part of the whole thyroid complex, it is the active molecule but not the whole.

I think for those having trouble getting Armour this stuff will work just aswell (just need a little more than your normal Armour dose) and it is available without a prescription :)

Nature-Throid - Google Search

Edit:Just to add this stuff for anyone who might also have mild Adrenal issues could go a long way in helping.

Isocort - Google Search

Assuming you are unable to get actual Cortisol injections which would be preferable.

snapdragon
24-03-2010, 08:32 PM
What about iodised sea salt salt?


Aslo see..
http://www.food.gov.uk/multimedia/pdfs/evm_iodine.pdf

mark1963
24-03-2010, 09:16 PM
Thread convinced me to get some and it came today, could only get a 7% solution though so will see how it goes.

The charged iodine stuff you mention I actually came across a link on that stuff yesterday with some glowing reviews of it.

I did that test shown in the video in Op's post where you drop a bit on your arm and rub it in, after 8 hours it was all gone :( am assuming that is bad.

Would it be best just starting on 3 drops in a glass daily or should I go for more, am thinking just the three for a few weeks and then up it to 3 drops twice a day and then after another 2 weeks will do that test again.

Edit:Forgot to add I got some Selenium tablets aswell but am unsure if they can/should be taken at the same time as the Lugols or an hour before or an hour after sort of thing.

Glad you got it - not sure if the arm test is any indication, but, if you have a typical diet you are severely depleted.

Start with 3 drops - 7% solution is the best one. If you shower in mains water and have mercury fillings then you may need more. See how you feel - you should notice a dramatic increase in energy, clarity of thought, loads of things.

Take it on an empty stomach at least 1 hour before food especially any anti-oxitants you may be taking. Do not take the selenium with it.

Do you have a link for the glowing report on the other iodine?

mark1963
24-03-2010, 09:19 PM
What about iodised sea salt salt?


Aslo see..
http://www.food.gov.uk/multimedia/pdfs/evm_iodine.pdf

Not good I'm afraid.

The wrong type of iodine - it's not absorbed and no decent levels of it in the salt.

Organic unprocessed sea salt is the only type that will have appreciable amounts of iodine in it, but, again, the amount is too low to just rely on that.

I've learnt that anything the government pushes, has got to be suspect.

unusual_suspect
24-03-2010, 09:20 PM
You can check if you need thyroid medication by doing a Basal Metabolic Rate (BSR) test first thing in the morning for a few days.

That's sticking a thermometer under your armpit before moving upon waking. It's fast and very reliable, better than a UK blood-test, that's for sure.

Everyone needs more iodine in the west, unless you eat loads of fishy products like the Japanese.

What should the temperature be? I eat fish/sea food and sea salt every day and I take spirulina, I am not sure if I need extra iodine.

mark1963
24-03-2010, 09:25 PM
Barnes Temperature Test (to find the Basal Body Temperature)

Blood tests are well known for not picking up hypothyroidism accurately, but there is a simple test you can use called the 'Barnes Temperature Test'. Basal temperatures are taken first thing in the morning, when your body is completely at rest. At night, before you go to bed, shake the thermometer down and leave it on your night table. In the morning, before getting out of bed and with as little movement as possible, place the thermometer under your arm. Leave it in position for 10 minutes. Do not drink alcohol the night before you take your basal temperature. Do this for five consecutive days, and make a note of the three lowest readings.

Use an oral, rectal or basal mercury thermometer only. Do not use a digital thermometer.

Menstruating women must take their temperatures on the 2nd, 3rd and 4th days of their periods only. Non-menstruating women, women who have had hysterectomies and men may take their temperatures any time.

97.8F - 98.2F (36.6 -36.8C) = Euthyroid (normal)

If your temperature falls below 97.8F (36.6C) then you should consult your GP or Practitioner.

unusual_suspect
24-03-2010, 09:30 PM
Barnes Temperature Test (to find the Basal Body Temperature)

Blood tests are well known for not picking up hypothyroidism accurately, but there is a simple test you can use called the 'Barnes Temperature Test'. Basal temperatures are taken first thing in the morning, when your body is completely at rest. At night, before you go to bed, shake the thermometer down and leave it on your night table. In the morning, before getting out of bed and with as little movement as possible, place the thermometer under your arm. Leave it in position for 10 minutes. Do not drink alcohol the night before you take your basal temperature. Do this for five consecutive days, and make a note of the three lowest readings.

Use an oral, rectal or basal mercury thermometer only. Do not use a digital thermometer.

Menstruating women must take their temperatures on the 2nd, 3rd and 4th days of their periods only. Non-menstruating women, women who have had hysterectomies and men may take their temperatures any time.

97.8F - 98.2F (36.6 -36.8C) = Euthyroid (normal)

If your temperature falls below 97.8F (36.6C) then you should consult your GP or Practitioner.

Ok, I only have a digital thermometer and I know my normal oral reading is about 36.6 when I am in good health.

I have been very aware of this, but for different reasons. I have problems with kidney stones, repeated kidney infections etc, so I have taken my temperature a lot over the last year or so! My highest temperature was 40 C earlier this year, it was not nice :(

mark1963
24-03-2010, 09:35 PM
Sounds good, it may be worth while getting an old type thermometer and doing under the armpit though.

I have found differences with the two readings.

If you are completely happy though - good. Your diet sounds good, spirulina is excellent.

unusual_suspect
24-03-2010, 09:39 PM
Sounds good, it may be worth while getting an old type thermometer and doing under the armpit though.

I have found differences with the two readings.

If you are completely happy though - good. Your diet sounds good, spirulina is excellent.

I shall get an old school thermometer and give it a go! My diet is good apart from all the chocolate and cakes when it is my time of the month :o

I have been taking the spirulina for about a week, my skin has started to look really healthy and radiant the last couple of days, not sure if that has anything to do with it.

21_12_2012
24-03-2010, 09:41 PM
It appears to be charged form of iodine. I'm not sure how that affects it's efficacy though.

http://www.subtleenergytherapyuk.com/MagnascentIodine_pg.html

Let us know how you get on with Lugol's.

Thanks for the link.
I had 6 drops today, first time, and i didn't feel at all tired all day, felt mentally boosted, don't know if I would've felt the same without it or not, but I will know after a few days of using it. So far so good anyway.
Thanks.

unusual_suspect
24-03-2010, 09:49 PM
Thanks for the link.
I had 6 drops today, first time, and i didn't feel at all tired all day, felt mentally boosted, don't know if I would've felt the same without it or not, but I will know after a few days of using it. So far so good anyway.
Thanks.

Thanks for posting your experience :)

mark1963
24-03-2010, 09:59 PM
I shall get an old school thermometer and give it a go! My diet is good apart from all the chocolate and cakes when it is my time of the month :o

I have been taking the spirulina for about a week, my skin has started to look really healthy and radiant the last couple of days, not sure if that has anything to do with it.

I took it for years and it was one of the best supplements I ever took. Mind you that was before I found out about the iodine deficiency I had, I even had a very good diet, food combining, organic foods. Iodine was and is simply fantastic.

mark1963
24-03-2010, 10:00 PM
Thanks for the link.
I had 6 drops today, first time, and i didn't feel at all tired all day, felt mentally boosted, don't know if I would've felt the same without it or not, but I will know after a few days of using it. So far so good anyway.
Thanks.

Yep, that's iodine. It'll get better in the coming days as well.

Do you remember when you were young - jumping out of bed when you awake.

Those days are coming back. :D

21_12_2012
24-03-2010, 10:03 PM
Yep, that's iodine. It'll get better in the coming days as well.

Do you remember when you were young - jumping out of bed when you awake.

Those days are coming back. :D

That's definately something to look forward to !

thirty3
24-03-2010, 10:18 PM
Self test.


http://altmedangel.com/iodine.htm


So how many drops should someone take.??? Just in plain water ???

urbanmonk
24-03-2010, 10:39 PM
Glad you got it - not sure if the arm test is any indication, but, if you have a typical diet you are severely depleted.

Start with 3 drops - 7% solution is the best one. If you shower in mains water and have mercury fillings then you may need more. See how you feel - you should notice a dramatic increase in energy, clarity of thought, loads of things.

Take it on an empty stomach at least 1 hour before food especially any anti-oxitants you may be taking. Do not take the selenium with it.

Do you have a link for the glowing report on the other iodine?

Hey Mark cheers for the above was thinking of taking it on an empty stomach and then an hour or so later take the Selenium with food. I have read Selenium is needed by the Iodine and so a supplement of that can increase the amount of Iodine uptake.

As for the other Iodine I believe I came across two one is an old Cayce remedy called Atomidine Atomidine - Google Search

Generally considered less potent than Lugols but worth a ganders.

A review along with other experiences (7 pages) of Lugols here at Earthclinic http://www.earthclinic.com/Remedies/iodine.html

The other was Magnascent am looking through those Earthclinic reviews to see where it was I read the testimonial, may even have been over at curezone :confused: but cant seemt o find it.

The following is a good read about Magnascent Iodine.

http://curezone.org/forums/am.asp?i=946557

mark1963
24-03-2010, 10:40 PM
Self test.


http://altmedangel.com/iodine.htm


So how many drops should someone take.??? Just in plain water ???

Good page - not sure whether the skin test works, but, it might.

3 drops of 7% solution (Lugol's Iodine) equals 12mg of iodine, which is the minimum one should have in your diet.

If you have fluoride (water, toothpaste), chloride (water, cleaning products), bromide (flour products) or mercury fillings you are going to need quite a bit more - up to 50mg a day (20 drops).

Take with water 1 hour before food and on it's own. No anti-oxidants at that time. Okay after the hour.

mark1963
24-03-2010, 10:41 PM
Hey Mark cheers for the above was thinking of taking it on an empty stomach and then an hour or so later take the Selenium with food. I have read Selenium is needed by the Iodine and so a supplement of that can increase the amount of Iodine uptake.

As for the other Iodine I believe I came across two one is an old Cayce remedy called Atomidine http://www.google.co.uk/search?q=Atomidine&ie=utf-8&oe=utf-8&aq=t&rls=org.mozilla:en-US:official&client=firefox-a

Generally considered less potent than Lugols but worth a ganders.

A review along with other experiences (7 pages) of Lugols here at Earthclinic http://www.earthclinic.com/Remedies/iodine.html

The other was Magnascent am looking through those Earthclinic reviews to see where it was I read the testimonial, may even have been over at curezone :confused: but cant seemt o find it.

The following is a good read about Magnascent Iodine.

http://curezone.org/forums/am.asp?i=946557

Thanks for the links I'll take a good look.

Selenium works - but works better with iodine.

I just had a look at the Curezone site - very good.

I had to laugh though:

"The World Health Organization documents that adults require 150 - 300 µg iodine per day."

The WHO is a total joke.

The average Japanese diet is 12mg per day which is considered the benchmark - not a pathetic 300 micrograms. No wonder we are sicker now more than 60 years ago.

pessi_optimist
24-03-2010, 10:55 PM
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motleyhoo
25-03-2010, 05:09 AM
That was one of the best Coast to Coast shows of all time. If you want to hear Dr. Apsley discuss this, here are some mp3s of a radio segment he did recently.

http://www.cancerisafungus.com/dr-apsley-simoncini-therapy.php

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mark1963
25-03-2010, 10:15 AM
That was one of the best Coast to Coast shows of all time. If you want to hear Dr. Apsley discuss this, here are some mp3s of a radio segment he did recently.

http://www.cancerisafungus.com/dr-apsley-simoncini-therapy.php

.

Wow - for once I agree with you. I must be mellowing.

Great link, thanks motleyhoo.

mark1963
25-03-2010, 10:20 AM
Here's a link for Thyroid Gland in the UK:

Thyroid (http://www.nutricentre.com/search.aspx?SearchTerm=thyroid)

And here's a link for Lugol's Iodine:

Iodine (http://www.nutricentre.com/search.aspx?SearchTerm=iodine&Chkcategory=0&search_sort=0&ProductTypeFilterID=&SearchTerm_Vldt=%0D%0A++++++++++++++++++++[req][len%3D3][blankalert%3DPlease+enter+something+to+search+for% 21]%0D%0A++++++++++++++++++&_category=)

Get checked by a Natural Practitioner if you think you have a low Thyroid.

xeon
25-03-2010, 10:50 AM
I've been using 5% Lugols iodine for a long while already. I only use one drop a time though. Sometimes 2, but that's it. I also do not take it everyday....I always take "breaks."

1 drop of 5% Lugol's iodine = 12.5 mg, according to here:

http://curezone.com/forums/fm.asp?i=1470547

mark1963
25-03-2010, 10:52 AM
I've been using 5% Lugols iodine for a long while already. I only use one drop a time though. Sometimes 2, but that's it. I also do not take it everyday....I always take "breaks."

1 drop of 5% Lugol's iodine = 12.5 mg, according to here:

http://curezone.com/forums/fm.asp?i=1470547

Interesting, thank you.

mark1963
25-03-2010, 11:21 AM
Great article on Lugol's Iodine:

http://www.herbhealers.com/lugols.htm

mark1963
25-03-2010, 11:47 AM
Foods, Drugs and Chemicals that can strain your thyroid.

Any of the following can interfere with the smooth working of the gland, or at least upset the tests:

Prozac (Fluoxetine Hydrocholoride) – Eli Lilly, the company that produces Prozac, state that hypothyroidism has been seen infrequently in clinical trials
Tolbutamide (Rastinon), for diabetes
Chlorpropamide (Diabinese), also for diabetes
Phenylbutazone (Butacote) for ankylosing spondylitis
Diazepam (Valium) for anxiety
Heparin, to prevent clotting in heart problems. Blood thinning drugs like Warfarin, Coumadin or Heparin can on occasion become stronger in the system when thyroid hormone is added to the mix.
Lithium (Priadel) to prevent relapse in psychiatric illness. More than a third of people taking lithium develop an underactive thyroid
Beta blockers (e.g. Inderal,) for high blood pressure
Salicylates, including aspirin (e.g. Disprin), a pain killer
Steroids (e.g. prednisolone) for any severe physical reaction
Phenothiazines (e.g. Largactil) major tranquillisers
Amiloride (e.g. Moduretic) a water tablet
Androgens (e.g. testosterone) male sex hormone
Tamoxifen, an anti-oestrogen to ward off breast cancer
Sulphonamides (Diamox) for glaucoma and fluid retention
Resorcinol (Anusol) used for piles
PAS for tuberculosis

All of these medicines suppress thyroid activity, so that the level of T4 in the blood is low, even if the gland is perfectly healthy. Sometimes, particularly with lithium, long-term thyroid lack of the Hashimoto type develops.

The following medicines have a different effect:

Phenytoin and related medicines – these anticonvulsants, used to control epilepsy, use up the thyroid hormones unusually quickly, and this may cause a shortage.
Carbamazepine (Tegretol) – this anticonvulsant inhibits the release of T4 into the blood
Co-trimoxazole (Septrin) – for urinary infections – also inhibits the release of T4 into the blood
Levodopa (Sinemet) and bromocriptine (Parlodel) are both used for Parkinson’s disease and both stop the stimulating action of TSH, leading to T4 and T3 lack.
Epinephrine – Anaesthetic used by dentists (Adreneline)

Medicines that seem to increase T4 and T3:

(Although neither actually stimulates the production of more hormones)

Fruseminde-type water tablets (e.g. Lasix) by getting rid of fluid, make the blood more concentrated so there is more of the hormones per millilitre.
Oestrogen (in the contraceptive pill and HRT), provides more of the transport protein

Medicines containing iodine.

Be wary of these if you have ever had a thyroid problem, and think if it could be your thyroid if you get some puzzling symptoms when you are taking one of them. These medicines are liable to give your thyroid more iodine than it can cope with. It may react by going into overdrive and producing too much hormone, with anxiety and palpitations in consequence, especially to start with. The usual end result, however, is near-complete downing of tools by the gland so that it runs into obvious underactivity, and general bodily slowing up.

Amiodarine (Cordarone X) is an excellent medicine for tricky faults in the rhythm of the heart, but it causes thyroid problems in 6% of people taking it. These may be due to either under or overactivity, with totally different symptoms: snail-pace or edgy speed. Since it takes a long time to clear amiodarone from the circulation, and anyway it may be vital for the heart, it is usually best to continue with it, but help the thyroid with other drugs. These will be thyroxine in the case of underactivity, or an antithyroid such as Carbimazole in the opposite situation.
Cough medicines containing iodides – including over the counter preparations – are not for you if you’ve ever had a thyroid problem.
X-ray contrast media, given for instance for gall-bladder investigation.
Povidone skin antiseptic (Betadine) and tincture of iodine. Very little iodine is likely to get into the system from these but they should be avoided during pregnancy.
Multivitamin/multimineral health pills.

Oestrogen

Any oestrogen raises the levels although thyroid activity is unchanged. This could make your levels look within the normal range, whereas they are really below it. Oestrogen provides more of the transport protein, making the hormone inactive. After starting on any oestrogen therapy, a woman should always have TSH tested to see if the oestrogen is having an impact on overall TSH and thyroid function and might require a dosage adjustment.

Prempak C/Premanin etc. – HRT made from mares urine and interferes with thyroid availability.

Amiodarone hydrocholoride

This is an anti-arrythmic and should not be given to patients with thyroid disorders. If you are on this drug you should be regularly tested for thyroid disease.

Oxymetazoline Hydrochloride

A sympathomimetic, an alpha-adrenoreceptor stimulant used in nasal decongestants. This drug works indirectly through the release of Noradrenaline from sympathetic nerve endings. This drug should have a warning on to administer with caution to patients with heart, kidney and thyroid disorders, diabetes and hypertension.

Insulin and similar oral hypoglycaemic drugs

Given for diabetes, this can reduce the effectiveness of thyroid hormone. Be sure your doctor knows you are on one before prescribing the other. If you on insulin or an oral hypoglycaemic, you should be closely watched during the initiation of thyroid replacement hormone.

Antacids

Most of these contain aluminium hydroxide which is well known for reducing the body's ability to absorb thyroxine.

Cholesterol-Lowering drugs

These drugs bind thyroid hormones, and a minimum of four to five hours should elapse between taking these drugs and thyroid hormones

Salicylates

Salicylate is a term used to describe a group of drugs that are chemically related to salicylic acid, which is a simple, single-ringed organic molecule that occurs naturally as a component of salicylin (a glucoside found in Willow Bark) and methyl salicylate (in Oil of Wintergreen). These natural products are usually used in the treatment of Rheumatism. However, in 1899 the semi synthetic drug Acetylsalicylic acid was introduced under the name Aspirin.

Drugs Containing Salicylates:

Aspirin (acetylsalicylic acid) Salicylic acid Methyl Salicylate (Oil of Wintergreen) Sodium Salicylate
Diflunisal

Unwanted Effects:

Salicylates can cause various metabolic changes such as changes in acid-base balance and electrolyte balance, which can, in turn, alter blood pressure and heart rate. However, mechanism of action seems to be as follows in respect of the thyroid hormones.

Thyroxine hormone binds to certain hormones in the blood called TBG Proteins. However, thyroxine can be displaced from TBG Proteins by certain substances such as drugs. In addition, if the amount of TBG Protein changes, this will alter the amount of thyroxine in the blood.

Some products used to treat acne and skin disorders contain Salicylates, but since these are used topically as are Oil of Wintergreen (typically found in Relax, Deep Heat etc.) we do not know what effects these have on the thyroid.

PLEASE SEEK YOUR DOCTOR’S ADVICE BEFORE STOPPING ANY MEDICATION!

FOODS TO BE AWARE OF:

“Goitrogenic Foods” Goitrogenic foods can act like an antithyroid drug in disabling the thyroid function. They prevent the thyroid from using available iodine. It is made worse if you use a lot of salt because that causes the thyroid to swell. Do not eat these in large amounts if you are taking thyroid hormone replacement. It is thought that the enzymes involved in the formation of goitrogenic materials in plants can be destroyed by cooking, so cook these foods thoroughly if you want to eat them.

brussel sprouts, rutabaga, turnips, cauliflower, cabbage and kale almonds, peanuts and walnuts sweet corn, sorghum and millet soya – this combined with a high fibre diet causes too much thyroid hormone and iodine to be excreted from the body
raw Swedes, turnips and kale - These are sometimes fed to cattle and comes to us via their milk products.

21_12_2012
25-03-2010, 04:39 PM
I read about this a bit back, the suggestion offered was dulse as it has high levels of natural iodine.

here's a bit of info about it:

Dulse (Dillisk, Sea Grass, or Palmaria Palmata) is a variety of seaweed derived from the colder waters of the North Atlantic and Northwest Pacific Oceans. Dulse attaches to rocks by means of a holdfast and is a red or purplish color. Because of its high levels of natural iodine and rich mineral content it is used favorably as a dietary supplement and medicinally as a treatment for thyroid disorders. In addition to its high iodine levels, it is a rich source of potassium, zinc, manganese, iron, magnesium, vitamin A, vitamin B1 (thiamin), vitamin B2 (riboflavin), vitamin B6 (pyridoxine), vitamin C (absorbic acid), calcium, and vitamin E.

Because thyroid disease often is precipitated by low iodine levels, many individuals suffering from hyperthyroidism or hypothyroidism benefit from supplementing with dulse. Although iodine is added to our common table salt, it is in synthetic form, devoid of any natural minerals to aid in its absorption.

http://www.marysgarden.com/colostrum/dulse.htm

uk supplier http://www.goodnessdirect.co.uk/cgi-local/frameset/detail/415790_Clearspring_Atlantic_Dulse_50g.html

us supplier http://www.starwest-botanicals.com/category/dulse-leaf/

I just received the dulse today and checked it out, very yummy and more-ish, presumably because my body is craving for the iodine and other good stuff in it.

I've eaten quite a bit of it, just chewing on it raw, really nice, will buy some more when it's running out.

unusual_suspect
25-03-2010, 05:18 PM
Foods, Drugs and Chemicals that can strain your thyroid.



brussel sprouts, rutabaga, turnips, cauliflower, cabbage and kale almonds, peanuts and walnuts sweet corn, sorghum and millet soya – this combined with a high fibre diet causes too much thyroid hormone and iodine to be excreted from the body
raw Swedes, turnips and kale - These are sometimes fed to cattle and comes to us via their milk products.


Those are pretty much most of my favourite foods apart from the soya, sweet corn, sorghum and millet. I eat cabbage, kale, cauliflower and loads of green veg and all sort of nuts quite a lot, in fact, those and sea food is pretty much what I eat most of the time :(

mark1963
25-03-2010, 05:36 PM
Those are pretty much most of my favourite foods apart from the soya, sweet corn, sorghum and millet. I eat cabbage, kale, cauliflower and loads of green veg and all sort of nuts quite a lot, in fact, those and sea food is pretty much what I eat most of the time :(

Okay, that was a page from the Thyroid.co.uk website.

By the looks of it, it does not mention that you should be fine when these items are cooked.

If you eat them raw more than 4 times in a week then they will definitely interfere with the thyroid gland.

Peanuts will definitely interfere with the thyroid if eaten in any form.

Soy, any soy - you should never touch it, is the advice - poison to the thyroid gland. Although I do occasionally have soy sauce. Moderation is the key, I suppose.

Sometimes it can be a bit tricky because there is conflicting information out there.

mark1963
25-03-2010, 05:40 PM
I just received the dulse today and checked it out, very yummy and more-ish, presumably because my body is craving for the iodine and other good stuff in it.

I've eaten quite a bit of it, just chewing on it raw, really nice, will buy some more when it's running out.

Dulse:

http://www.florahealth.com/flora/home/Canada/HealthInformation/Encyclopedias/Dulse.htm

By the looks of it only about 0.10% iodine.

21_12_2012
25-03-2010, 06:19 PM
Dulse:

http://www.florahealth.com/flora/home/Canada/HealthInformation/Encyclopedias/Dulse.htm

By the looks of it only about 0.10% iodine.

Yep, very low, but contains other stuff too. I love the taste of it, so it looks like additional iodine plus this kind of stuff to get a good level.

I'm intending to by some magnascent stuff too soon, that should be interesting.

joel1212
25-03-2010, 06:23 PM
I get this, http://www.naturessunshine.com/us/products/product/stocknumber410-kelp-100-caps.aspx
Can you tell me if theres enough in those capsules?
its a good deal, 10 dollars for 100 if your a member, 15 if not

mark1963
25-03-2010, 07:27 PM
I get this, http://www.naturessunshine.com/us/products/product/stocknumber410-kelp-100-caps.aspx
Can you tell me if theres enough in those capsules?
its a good deal, 10 dollars for 100 if your a member, 15 if not

There's all sorts of problems with tablets.

First of all they would probably contain harmful additives. Magnesium stearate comes to mind.

Second, in the powdering process, large amounts of heat are used and this kills much of the essence of the various substances in it.

Dried, unprocessed kelp is best for you. Buy that, grind it up with a mini grinder enough for your daily needs and it retains all of the goodness.

I sometimes get kelp from this supplier on ebay:

http://shop.ebay.co.uk/herbheaven/m.html?_nkw=&_armrs=1&_from=&_ipg=&_trksid=p4340

mark1963
25-03-2010, 07:28 PM
Yep, very low, but contains other stuff too. I love the taste of it, so it looks like additional iodine plus this kind of stuff to get a good level.

I'm intending to by some magnascent stuff too soon, that should be interesting.

Let me know how you get on with that - I'm very interested

21_12_2012
25-03-2010, 08:10 PM
Let me know how you get on with that - I'm very interested

Will do.

I asked for a shipping quote on a 16oz bottle from the USA, the bottle is $199.

I am just waiting for their reply with the quote.

blue2
25-03-2010, 08:15 PM
I'd like to come in here and say i was diagnosed with ME many yrs ago and was led to believe nothing could be done-how wrong this was- and i stepped outside of NHS and found a Dr who had a complete hormone clinic then changed to fatigue clinic. Eventually my bloods privately suddenly showed up i was hypothyroid at 7.6 TSH...by which time i was in wheelchair. Having been given a Tome on The Clinical & Scientific Basis of ME CFS by a lovely old Dr who had studied and tried helping people for a few decades his first test was always one for Pesticides that got posted to Biolab Medical Unit. But in that book is a part on Endocrinology in the big book and Armourthyroid and DHEA seemed to make people well who did not show up in blood results-their fatigue lessened. Often B Vitamins is deficient Folic acid being one and 5mg daily if absorption possible. Vitamin UK do a B12 lozenge. Shop bought vitamins are not good at all and often have E colours within them and simply are not good at absorbing in the intestine and are too low with RDA.

My pesticide levels came high with Mirex and another with a long name that is associated with soft furnishings and apples. I am now chemically sensitive.

I use Erfa Armourthyroid/Somatomed/Magnascent Iodine as this is more bioavailable-go to www.magnascent.com it is by far the best tablets don't absorb well at all. Levo thyroxine is decidedly dangerous and can cause Strokes and memory loss and fails to often treat as American Thyroid Association stated that it often only has 9% actual hormone.

In a THYROID UK MAGAZINE Spring 07 http://www.endocrine-abstracts.org/ea/0013/ea0013P316.htm

I wouldn't use it and my son was changed to it from Armourthyroid on NHS after three successfuil yrs treatment and resulted in all his upper respiratory infections and was only good for staying in bed and when trying tom increase dosage it resulted in what i think was a trauma as he awoke one morning and his eye was blood shot and his short term memory so poor and his eyelid was drooped and colour changed. I personally wanted to sue the blasted GP but as an adult it was his decision not mine.

Then came the tour of Endocrinologist Prof of and then Eye Specialist-then Neurologist of which then diagnosed Horners syndrome- hypothyroidism has this symptom too so does Myasthenia Gravis. It rather depends on what type of Specialist you may be unlucky enough to see on outcome of diagnosis! and whom did nothing for my son-it ended up with to hell with NHS lets buy in the Armourthyroid for him and self treat because who knows your body better than yourself! Synthetic L thyroid can cause Arterial Stiffness in resistance to thyroid hormone.He was back to his old self after self treatment with Armour..if he drinks any alcohol then it's not so good.

You need magnascent iodine because it gets into cells and would likely lessen any inflammation to thyroid- which 'itis' is. Ionic minerals too and raw organic juiced veges and wheatgrass is superb. I've a link for Erfa Armour if anyone wanting it to pm me. Adrenals may need testing first to give thyroid a chance when you have full blown underactive thyroid-which hashimotos is.

Magnesium will also be short - all ionic minerals and Transdermal Magnesium Therapy is good. I self treat and would not ever again entrust my health to any NHS Dr. Using Himalayan Pink Salt is good for you too-try www.detoxyourworld.com

Anti Candida diet is essential and gluten free as this causes Pituitary gland not to produce Growth Hormone for digestion then it leads onto diabetes. Yes thyroid is responsible for all cells. You can buy CELL FOOD too. No sugar and boxed cereals.

Lugols iodine hangs in gut and doesn't absorb well and is a heavier type than Magnascent and used by Naturopath Dr Hulda Regeher Clark for Salmonella in stomach.

Also use Bicarbonate Soda for alkalising your body and bringing PH balance back in line from too acidic- i use with Aspalls Organic Cyder Vinegar in filtered water 8oz glass this too is good for inflammation. Candida out of control from undigested Proteins could well be causing the 'itis'...and other alllergens. www.supernutrient.com

Taking Enzymes to digest food is wise too like Garden of Life multi enzymes. People who have gone to Hippocrates Health Institute Florida with diseases and got well from the sprouted and wheatgrass juices but it is a way of life from thereon in and they use enzymes in multiples and the Raw Network and Gabrtiel Cousens has helped some.

mark1963
25-03-2010, 09:52 PM
I'd like to come in here and say i was diagnosed with ME many yrs ago and was led to believe nothing could be done-how wrong this was- and i stepped outside of NHS and found a Dr who had a complete hormone clinic then changed to fatigue clinic. Eventually my bloods privately suddenly showed up i was hypothyroid at 7.6 TSH...by which time i was in wheelchair. Having been given a Tome on The Clinical & Scientific Basis of ME CFS by a lovely old Dr who had studied and tried helping people for a few decades his first test was always one for Pesticides that got posted to Biolab Medical Unit. But in that book is a part on Endocrinology in the big book and Armourthyroid and DHEA seemed to make people well who did not show up in blood results-their fatigue lessened. Often B Vitamins is deficient Folic acid being one and 5mg daily if absorption possible. Vitamin UK do a B12 lozenge. Shop bought vitamins are not good at all and often have E colours within them and simply are not good at absorbing in the intestine and are too low with RDA.

My pesticide levels came high with Mirex and another with a long name that is associated with soft furnishings and apples. I am now chemically sensitive.

I use Erfa Armourthyroid/Somatomed/Magnascent Iodine as this is more bioavailable-go to www.magnascent.com (http://www.magnascent.com) it is by far the best tablets don't absorb well at all. Levo thyroxine is decidedly dangerous and can cause Strokes and memory loss and fails to often treat as American Thyroid Association stated that it often only has 9% actual hormone.

In a THYROID UK MAGAZINE Spring 07 http://www.endocrine-abstracts.org/ea/0013/ea0013P316.htm

I wouldn't use it and my son was changed to it from Armourthyroid on NHS after three successfuil yrs treatment and resulted in all his upper respiratory infections and was only good for staying in bed and when trying tom increase dosage it resulted in what i think was a trauma as he awoke one morning and his eye was blood shot and his short term memory so poor and his eyelid was drooped and colour changed. I personally wanted to sue the blasted GP but as an adult it was his decision not mine.

Then came the tour of Endocrinologist Prof of and then Eye Specialist-then Neurologist of which then diagnosed Horners syndrome- hypothyroidism has this symptom too so does Myasthenia Gravis. It rather depends on what type of Specialist you may be unlucky enough to see on outcome of diagnosis! and whom did nothing for my son-it ended up with to hell with NHS lets buy in the Armourthyroid for him and self treat because who knows your body better than yourself! Synthetic L thyroid can cause Arterial Stiffness in resistance to thyroid hormone.He was back to his old self after self treatment with Armour..if he drinks any alcohol then it's not so good.

You need magnascent iodine because it gets into cells and would likely lessen any inflammation to thyroid- which 'itis' is. Ionic minerals too and raw organic juiced veges and wheatgrass is superb. I've a link for Erfa Armour if anyone wanting it to pm me. Adrenals may need testing first to give thyroid a chance when you have full blown underactive thyroid-which hashimotos is.

Magnesium will also be short - all ionic minerals and Transdermal Magnesium Therapy is good. I self treat and would not ever again entrust my health to any NHS Dr. Using Himalayan Pink Salt is good for you too-try www.detoxyourworld.com (http://www.detoxyourworld.com)

Anti Candida diet is essential and gluten free as this causes Pituitary gland not to produce Growth Hormone for digestion then it leads onto diabetes. Yes thyroid is responsible for all cells. You can buy CELL FOOD too. No sugar and boxed cereals.

Lugols iodine hangs in gut and doesn't absorb well and is a heavier type than Magnascent and used by Naturopath Dr Hulda Regeher Clark for Salmonella in stomach.

Also use Bicarbonate Soda for alkalising your body and bringing PH balance back in line from too acidic- i use with Aspalls Organic Cyder Vinegar in filtered water 8oz glass this too is good for inflammation. Candida out of control from undigested Proteins could well be causing the 'itis'...and other alllergens. www.supernutrient.com (http://www.supernutrient.com)

Taking Enzymes to digest food is wise too like Garden of Life multi enzymes. People who have gone to Hippocrates Health Institute Florida with diseases and got well from the sprouted and wheatgrass juices but it is a way of life from thereon in and they use enzymes in multiples and the Raw Network and Gabrtiel Cousens has helped some.

Excellent - mirrors much of what I am taking with the no-gluten diet and the bicarbonate.

I'll PM you.

freedom1st
25-03-2010, 10:02 PM
I'd like to come in here and say i was diagnosed with ME many yrs ago and was led to believe nothing could be done-how wrong this was- and i stepped outside of NHS and found a Dr who had a complete hormone clinic then changed to fatigue clinic. Eventually my bloods privately suddenly showed up i was hypothyroid at 7.6 TSH...by which time i was in wheelchair. Having been given a Tome on The Clinical & Scientific Basis of ME CFS by a lovely old Dr who had studied and tried helping people for a few decades his first test was always one for Pesticides that got posted to Biolab Medical Unit. But in that book is a part on Endocrinology in the big book and Armourthyroid and DHEA seemed to make people well who did not show up in blood results-their fatigue lessened. Often B Vitamins is deficient Folic acid being one and 5mg daily if absorption possible. Vitamin UK do a B12 lozenge. Shop bought vitamins are not good at all and often have E colours within them and simply are not good at absorbing in the intestine and are too low with RDA.

My pesticide levels came high with Mirex and another with a long name that is associated with soft furnishings and apples. I am now chemically sensitive.

I use Erfa Armourthyroid/Somatomed/Magnascent Iodine as this is more bioavailable-go to www.magnascent.com it is by far the best tablets don't absorb well at all. Levo thyroxine is decidedly dangerous and can cause Strokes and memory loss and fails to often treat as American Thyroid Association stated that it often only has 9% actual hormone.

In a THYROID UK MAGAZINE Spring 07 http://www.endocrine-abstracts.org/ea/0013/ea0013P316.htm

I wouldn't use it and my son was changed to it from Armourthyroid on NHS after three successfuil yrs treatment and resulted in all his upper respiratory infections and was only good for staying in bed and when trying tom increase dosage it resulted in what i think was a trauma as he awoke one morning and his eye was blood shot and his short term memory so poor and his eyelid was drooped and colour changed. I personally wanted to sue the blasted GP but as an adult it was his decision not mine.

Then came the tour of Endocrinologist Prof of and then Eye Specialist-then Neurologist of which then diagnosed Horners syndrome- hypothyroidism has this symptom too so does Myasthenia Gravis. It rather depends on what type of Specialist you may be unlucky enough to see on outcome of diagnosis! and whom did nothing for my son-it ended up with to hell with NHS lets buy in the Armourthyroid for him and self treat because who knows your body better than yourself! Synthetic L thyroid can cause Arterial Stiffness in resistance to thyroid hormone.He was back to his old self after self treatment with Armour..if he drinks any alcohol then it's not so good.

You need magnascent iodine because it gets into cells and would likely lessen any inflammation to thyroid- which 'itis' is. Ionic minerals too and raw organic juiced veges and wheatgrass is superb. I've a link for Erfa Armour if anyone wanting it to pm me. Adrenals may need testing first to give thyroid a chance when you have full blown underactive thyroid-which hashimotos is.

Magnesium will also be short - all ionic minerals and Transdermal Magnesium Therapy is good. I self treat and would not ever again entrust my health to any NHS Dr. Using Himalayan Pink Salt is good for you too-try www.detoxyourworld.com

Anti Candida diet is essential and gluten free as this causes Pituitary gland not to produce Growth Hormone for digestion then it leads onto diabetes. Yes thyroid is responsible for all cells. You can buy CELL FOOD too. No sugar and boxed cereals.

Lugols iodine hangs in gut and doesn't absorb well and is a heavier type than Magnascent and used by Naturopath Dr Hulda Regeher Clark for Salmonella in stomach.

Also use Bicarbonate Soda for alkalising your body and bringing PH balance back in line from too acidic- i use with Aspalls Organic Cyder Vinegar in filtered water 8oz glass this too is good for inflammation. Candida out of control from undigested Proteins could well be causing the 'itis'...and other alllergens. www.supernutrient.com

Taking Enzymes to digest food is wise too like Garden of Life multi enzymes. People who have gone to Hippocrates Health Institute Florida with diseases and got well from the sprouted and wheatgrass juices but it is a way of life from thereon in and they use enzymes in multiples and the Raw Network and Gabrtiel Cousens has helped some.

Good post. Would you mind commenting on what my consultant told me, ie. that taking iodine won't help because I don't have a thyroid to deal with it.
Also he said armour is no good coz it's too variable in terms of how much of the hormones you get.
Thanks in advance.

pegcityevolve
27-03-2010, 05:31 AM
Great article on Lugol's Iodine:

http://www.herbhealers.com/lugols.htmSo there is only 2mg per drop for the 7% solution? I thought 3 drops would equal 12mg.

Well I ordered 2 bottles of Lugol's 7%. Most of our food is processed (due to income). Me and my mother do take organic supplements from The Synergy Company (best I've found yet, check out their energetic nutrition article here: http://www.thesynergycompany.com/energetic.html.) Vita synergy and soon we will combine with pure synergy. My sister (14, who has ADD or something like that) and my mom's bf who has bi-polar or hypertension (but is usually fine when smoking cannabis) do not take any organic supplements. The mom's bf is heavy on the coffee and pepsi, while my sister just eats all kinds of junk food.

Our water (although we do not drink it, we get pure from a good company - we just shower and bathe in it) has chlorine [0.10 to 1.0 parts per million], sulphate [about 40 parts per million], sodium [about 40 parts per million], chloride [about 30 parts per million], fluoride [0.85 parts per million], orthophosphate [2.0 parts per million].
http://www.winnipeg.ca/waterandwaste/water/treatment/plant.stm

I wonder how much iodine we need? And I have teeth fillings but we have no idea what kind they are. Also I'm assuming take the drops before any cannabis session as the herb works as a powerful anti-oxidant. I end it here..:p

mark1963
27-03-2010, 12:23 PM
So there is only 2mg per drop for the 7% solution? I thought 3 drops would equal 12mg.

Well I ordered 2 bottles of Lugol's 7%. Most of our food is processed (due to income). Me and my mother do take organic supplements from The Synergy Company (best I've found yet, check out their energetic nutrition article here: http://www.thesynergycompany.com/energetic.html.) Vita synergy and soon we will combine with pure synergy. My sister (14, who has ADD or something like that) and my mom's bf who has bi-polar or hypertension (but is usually fine when smoking cannabis) do not take any organic supplements. The mom's bf is heavy on the coffee and pepsi, while my sister just eats all kinds of junk food.

Our water (although we do not drink it, we get pure from a good company - we just shower and bathe in it) has chlorine [0.10 to 1.0 parts per million], sulphate [about 40 parts per million], sodium [about 40 parts per million], chloride [about 30 parts per million], fluoride [0.85 parts per million], orthophosphate [2.0 parts per million].
http://www.winnipeg.ca/waterandwaste/water/treatment/plant.stm

I wonder how much iodine we need? And I have teeth fillings but we have no idea what kind they are. Also I'm assuming take the drops before any cannabis session as the herb works as a powerful anti-oxidant. I end it here..:p

Good points - look at this link and the graph near the bottom of the page called units of measure. The "Metric Drop" is the relevant one:

http://naturalsolutionsradio.com/blog/geraldmartin/lugols-iodine

One way to find out if you are overdosing on iodine is the "wet nose".

Gradually increase your dosage every few days, until you feel that the insides of your nose feel wet - sniff, sniff.

When you get to that stage, cut back a bit.

You have chlorine and fluorine in your water along with processed foods (bromine - white flour products) and mercury in your fillings. You may need more than the 12mg.

Gradually increase - do not make big jumps.

mark1963
29-03-2010, 12:32 PM
Here is some very important information for mother's to be, and everyone else because of the chemicals and heavy metal poisons that are constantly attacking us from pesticide residue to the additives in our food, water and now air:

Iodine and Chelation
Heavy Metals and Halogens
International Medical Veritas Association
Chelation bears the government's seal of approval for detoxifying the body, most often after an industrial accident or environmental exposure to hazardous materials. Each year some 60,000 Americans undergo chelation treatments, which are gaining ground as a potential therapy for a range of conditions, from Alzheimer's disease to cancer and heart disease. A preliminary study published in the Archives of Neurology found heavy metals stack up in the brains of Alzheimer's patients. Another survey claimed a 90-percent plunge in cancer deaths during an 18-year follow-up of 59 patients treated with the chelating agent calcium-EDTA. (mid://00000497/%23_edn1)

Heavy metals are found throughout nature but we have opened Pandora’s Box by spreading these toxic metals throughout our environment and even injecting them directly into children’s bodies and implanting them in their mouths. As levels of heavy metals rise in our air, water, and topsoil, they also rise within our bodies, contributing to chronic diseases, learning disorders, cancer, dementia, and premature aging.

The Environmental Working Group has published a devastating report titled Body Burden — The Pollution in Newborns. (mid://00000497/%23_edn2) “U.S. industries manufacture and import approximately 75,000 chemicals, 3,000 of them at over a million pounds per year. Studies show that hundreds of industrial chemicals circulate in the blood of a baby in the womb, interacting in ways that are not fully understood. Many more pollutants are likely present in the womb, but test methods have yet to be developed that would allow health officials to comprehensively assess prenatal exposure to chemicals, or to ensure that these exposures are safe. From a regulatory perspective, fetal exposure to industrial chemicals is quite literally out of control.[iii] (mid://00000497/%23_edn3)


The poisoning starts from conception and before.[iv] (mid://00000497/%23_edn4)

Humanity is traveling down a deadly path. Awaiting each and every child born on the planet is a life doomed to being poisoned. There is “overwhelming evidence that every child, no matter where in the world he or she is born, will be exposed, not only from birth, but from conception, to man-made chemicals that can undermine the child's ability to reach its fullest potential -- chemicals that interfere with the natural chemicals that tell tissues how to develop and construct healthy, whole individuals according to the genes they inherited from their mothers and fathers,” says Dr. Theo Colborn, Senior Program Scientist, at the World Wildlife Fund. This chapter offers a hugely important answer, a guardian angel in chemical form that we can and actually have to use in the highly toxic age we are all living through. Every pregnant woman should be using iodine and magnesium chloride applied transdermally to initiate protective action from even before conception.

Heavy metals poison us by disrupting our cellular enzymes, which run on nutritional minerals such as magnesium, zinc, and selenium. Toxic metals kick out the nutrients and bind their receptor sites, causing diffuse symptoms by affecting nerves, hormones, digestion, and immune function. The heavy metals most often implicated in human poisoning are lead, mercury, arsenic, and cadmium but uranium is playing catch up since depleted uranium became the favorite armament of the United States military. Once in the body,they compete with and displace essential minerals such as iodine, zinc, copper, magnesium, and calcium, and interfere with organ system function.

No where is this process more evident than in the case of the halides, which are all antagonistic elements to iodine, meaning they will impede the absorption of iodine. Heavy metals get stored in the same receptors that are looking for iodine. Almost all of us are exposed to bromine and fluorine and are storing these toxic halides in our iodine deficient receptors. The mechanism of iodine in the cells is very ancient and lacking of specificity, in fact, cells are not able to distinguish iodide from other anions of similar atomic or molecular size, which may act as “pseudo-iodides”: bromide, flouride, chlorine, thiocyanate, cyanate, nitrate, pertechnate, perchlorate.[v] (mid://00000497/%23_edn5)

[I]In the 1960s iodine added to bread increased
the average daily intake 4-5 times RDA levels.


Then they took the iodine out of the bread and some medical idiot substituted bromide, a bio-poison in its place.[vi] (mid://00000497/%23_edn6) There are actually four halogens: iodine, bromine, fluorine and chlorine. All these halogens use the same receptors in the body. Therefore if a person’s diet is deficient in iodine the iodine receptors in the thyroid and stomach, for example, may fill up with bromine which is common in grains, bleached flour, sodas, nuts and oils as well as several plant foods. Iodine is depleted by bromine, which is used as a spray on fruits and vegetables, in baked goods, as a fumigant, and in Prozac, Paxil and many other pharmaceutical drugs. Chlorine, fluorine, and fluoride are chemically related to iodine, and compete with it, blocking iodine receptors in the thyroid gland.

Iodine intake immediately increases the excretion of bromide, fluoride,[I]
and some heavy metals including mercury and lead. Bromide and
fluoride are not removed by any other chelator or detoxifying technique.


Dr. Kenezy Gyula Korhaz states that iodine chelates heavy metals such as mercury, lead, cadmium and aluminum and halogens such as fluoride and bromide, thus decreasing their iodine inhibiting effects[vii] (mid://00000497/%23_edn7)especially of the halogens.Iodine has the highest atomic weight of all the common halogens (126.9). Iodine is the only option when it comes to removing these toxic haloids from the thyroid and even the pineal gland where fluoride concentrates, especially when there is a deficiency in iodine in the body. In an age of increasing radioactivity and toxic poisoning specifically with fluoride[viii] (mid://00000497/%23_edn8), chlorine and bromide, and even mercury, iodine is a necessary mineral to protect us from harm for immediately these toxic substances will increasingly flow out of the body in the urine.

Many of us are forced or conditioned to drink fluoridated water and also brush our teeth with fluoride. Could an iodine deficiency be related in some way to the current epidemic of hypothyroidism, breast, and prostate cancers? Are government health officials poisoning the public with fluoride and bromide, aspartame and mercury, and even with rocket fuel, just to name a few things? Yes this is exactly what they are doing and they are feeling quite defensive about it.

There is growing evidence that Americans would have better health
and a lower incidence of cancer and fibrocystic disease of the breast
if they consumed more iodine. A decrease in iodine intake coupled
with an increased consumption of competing halogens, fluoride and
bromide, has created an epidemic of iodine deficiency in America.
Dr. Donald Miller Jr.


Dr. David Brownstein says that fluoride inhibits the ability of the thyroid gland to concentrate iodine and research has shown that fluoride is much more toxic to the body when there is iodine deficiency present. When iodine is supplemented the excretion rate of the toxic halides bromide, fluoride and perchlorate is greatly enhanced. Brownstein says that after only one dose of iodine the excretion of fluoride increased by 78% and this is very important for those who are drinking fluoridated water or are taking medicines with fluoride in them; bromide excretion rates increased by 50%. Our environment is loaded with the toxic halides bromine and fluorine and up to now we have had no way to detoxify the body of these thyroid poisons.

No chelation or detoxification
protocol can afford to ignore iodine.


Over the last 2 decades bromine has contaminated our bread. Bromine blocks thyroid function and may interfere with the anticancer effect of iodine on the breast. Now, the risk for breast cancer is 1 in 8 and increasing 1% per year. Chlorine also blocks iodine in the body, so chlorinated water (both drinking and bathing) should best be avoided when possible. (See chapter on sodium thiosulfate for chlorine neutralization) Iodine increases mobilization of bromine from storage sites with increased urinary excretion of bromide (mid://00000497/%23_edn9). Elevated bromide levels were observed in urine and serum samples,[x] (mid://00000497/%23_edn10) twenty times the levels reported in the literature in normal subjects.[xi] (mid://00000497/%23_edn11)

Patients who experience side effects while on
orthoiodosupplementation are often excreting
large amounts of bromide in the urine.


Chloride competes with bromide at the renal level and increases the renal clearance of bromide[xii] (mid://00000497/%23_edn12) thus magnesium chloride is ideal for magnesium supplementation. Some patients require up to 2 years of iodine therapy to bring post loading urine bromide levels below 10 mg/24 hr, if chloride load is not included in the bromine detoxification program. Rapid mobilization of bromine from storage sites with orthoiodosupplementation combined with increased renal clearance of bromide with a chloride load often causes side effects. Increasing fluid intake and adding a complete nutritional program minimizes these side effects.

Dr. Abraham noted that in some patients the excretion of lead, cadmium and mercury increased several fold after only one day of iodine supplementation and that increased aluminum excretion was noted about a month after beginning supplementation. Orthoiodosupplementation induces a detoxification reaction in some patients with high bromide levels. The symptoms include increased body odor and cloudy urine. The body odor lasts one to two weeks, but the cloudy urine may last several months before clearing up. Side effects can be minimized by increasing fluid intake. Increased fluid facilitates the excretion of excess iodine and the bromides, fluorides and heavy metals that the iodine displaces. Dr. Abraham also reported that the administration of magnesium in daily amounts up to 1200 mg eliminated the body odor but not the cloudy urine.

Released bromide from storage sites can induce decreased
thyroid function, bromide being a potent goitrogen.


In the United States especially people will want to note that iodine also is protective and effective at eliminating perchlorate from the body. Perchlorate, the explosive ingredient in solid rocket fuel, has leaked from military bases and defense and aerospace contractors' plants in at least 22 states, is contaminating drinking water, dairy milk, produce and many other foods and plants affecting millions of Americans. In the past year, CDC scientists have found that a significant number of women are at risk of thyroid hormone depression from perchlorate exposure. Perchlorate impairs the thyroid’s ability to take up iodide and produce hormones critical to proper fetal and infant brain development. Further, studies show that breast milk may have even more worrisome levels of perchlorate.

The EPA's proposed safe exposure level for the rocket fuel contaminant perchlorate is not protective of public health. In the past year, CDC scientists have found that a significant
number of women are at risk of thyroid hormone depression from perchlorate exposure.[xiii] (mid://00000497/%23_edn13)


The CDC/BU (Boston University) study,[xiv] (mid://00000497/%23_edn14) which examined breast milk from 49 Boston area women, found that the average breast fed infant in this study is being exposed to more than double the dose of perchlorate that the Environmental Protection Agency (EPA) considers safe; highly exposed babies are ingesting up to 10 times this amount. In a related 2006 study, the CDC found perchlorate in the urine of every one of 2,820 people tested, suggesting that food is a key route of exposure in addition to drinking water.[xv] (mid://00000497/%23_edn15) Applying the results of the CDC study to the California population, EWG estimates that at exposure to 5 ppb of perchlorate in drinking water, 1 in 10 California women of childbearing age with low iodine intake would be diagnosed as sub-clinically hypothyroid and require medical treatment when pregnant to protect themselves and their babies.[xvi] (mid://00000497/%23_edn16)

Dr Kellman of the Centre for Progressive Medicine in New York said, "Once damage to the thyroid takes place it affects all the other organs – starting with digestion and absorption. Toxins start accumulating in the system. You can have an array of symptoms: heart disease and its complications, high homocysteine levels, poor circulation, weight gain/loss, no appetite or bingeing, bloating, fluid retention, skin problems, aching joints, low blood pressure, high cholesterol, low libido, hair loss, and sensitivity to cold." [xvii] (mid://00000497/%23_edn17)

Dr. Sebastiano Venturi informs us that “iodine is one of the most abundant electron-rich essential elements we consume and is transported to the cells via iodide transporters. Iodide, which acts as a primitive electron-donor through peroxidase enzymes, seems to have an ancestral antioxidant function in all iodide-concentrating cells. Oxygen is a potent oxidant whose accumulation in terrestrial atmosphere resulted from the development of photosynthesis over three billion years ago, in blue-green algae (Cyanobacteria).” Iodine was used by Nature as one of her main strategies of antioxidant defense in plants and animals. The point is that antioxidants, iodine included, are important as protective substances against many chronic and degenerative diseases such as cancer and cardiovascular diseases.

The antioxidant biochemical mechanism of iodides is probably the most
ancient mechanisms of defense from poisonous reactive oxygen species.
Dr. Sebastiano Venturi


“The evolution of oxygen-producing cells was probably the most significant event in the history of life after the beginning of life itself. Oxygen is a potent oxidant and life has to contend with the toxicityof ROS (Reactive Oxygen Species) which react with lipids, proteins, carbohydrates and DNA and thus interfere with the functions of cellular membranes, cell metabolism, cellular signaling, cell growth and differentiation. Oxidative stress has been implicated as a causative process in the development of a vast number of degenerative diseases,”[xviii] (mid://00000497/%23_edn18) continues Dr. Venturi. The antioxidant properties of dietary iodide depend on a series of redox reactions underlying the iodination of tyrosine leading to the formation of thyroid hormones. Iodine can react with double bonds on lipids such as polyunsaturated fatty acids rendering them less reactive to ROS.

Thyroid hormones are known to play a major part in the
regulation of mitochondrial oxidative metabolism.[xix] (mid://00000497/%23_edn19)


A newly discovered oxidant defense system is found in the free radical scavenging capacity of thyroid hormones Thyroxine, reverse-T3 and iodothyronines seem to be important as antioxidants and inhibitors of lipid peroxidation[xx] (mid://00000497/%23_edn20),[xxi] (mid://00000497/%23_edn21) and is more effective than vitamin E, glutathione and ascorbic acid.[xxii] (mid://00000497/%23_edn22) Doctors involved in the chelation of children with neurological conditions need to take notice and start treating them with iodine as a primary not secondary form of treatment.

Mercury is the most toxic non radioactive poison on earth
and has the capability to destroy all biological life and
activity either through a slow torturous death or a quick one.
It qualifies as an intense systemic poison meaning it has
its effect which is remote from the site of entry into the body.


Dr. Brownstein indicates that iodine is also a chelator of mercury and had tested quite carefully the amounts removed.[xxiii] (mid://00000497/%23_edn23) Mercury not only poisons the nervous system and digestive tract, it can also poison the thyroid gland. There are 4 iodine binding sites or receptors on the thyroid gland. These receptors bind with the iodine we get from our diet. The iodine enters the thyroid and activates it. If the thyroid is not absorbing enough iodine it will not be fully activated and the body's temperature will be abnormally low. Mercury from dental fillings can migrate to the thyroid gland and sit on one or more of the thyroid's 4 iodine receptors blocking the iodine from reaching the receptors and activating the thyroid. When this happens iodine is not absorbed in normal amounts by the thyroid gland. The result is low body temperature or hypothyroidism.

Thanks to the continued promotion of mercury fillings by the American Dental Association and conventional dentists, consumers continue to be poisoned by this heavy metal that's intentionally placed into their mouths. There's so much mercury currently being put into the mouths of humans that the total volume of mercury being dumped into the environment from mercury fillings is nearly equal to that emitted by coal plants. Combine the two sources of mercury with a diet high in fish, which are contaminated with mercury and add a year’s flu vaccine that also has mercury in it and we have a huge problem that health officials are not addressing at all.

Several mechanisms are utilized to remove mercury from the body. In order for these detoxification mechanisms to work properly, numerous essential minerals like Iodine, Zinc, Sulfur, Selenium, and Silica stimulate the excretion of mercury. Unfortunately, the average person’s daily intake of Iodine is not high enough to protect them from mercury. The National Health and Nutrition Survey undertaken by the CDC showed iodine levels falling over 50% in the last 30 years. In 1940 the average American got 800 micrograms of iodine in their diet. In 1995 we averaged 135 micrograms; an 83% decline! Eating seafood and seaweed can keep your dietary levels in the healthy range. Supplementing with iodine can offer additional help in maintaining these healthy levels of iodine.

This is a medical disaster already in advanced stages because as the need for iodine has increased daily intake has decreased. The Rising Tide of Mercury and the sharp increases in bromide and fluoride are overcoming our body’s ability to eliminate. We are staring right in the face of one of the most fundamental building blocks of the modern day plight with chronic diseases including cancer. Iodine is first on the list with magnesium chloride as the surest preventive and treatment of the vast majorities of today’s chronic and acute diseases. Allopathic medicine has got it terribly wrong paying no attention to these two emergency room medicines of great importance.

Supplementing with iodine can replenish your iodine stores while flushing out poisons. People usually do not experience the negative effects of some type of detoxification when using iodine unless they are removing unusually high levels of bromide and fluoride. Most people actually notice increased energy, better sleep, and mental clarity.

Mineral replacement therapy (nutritional support) is essential when doing any form of chelation. In fact it is not clinically correct at all to separate chelation from minerals like they are different processes. Trace mineral therapy is important because minerals compete with toxic metals for binding sites. In other words, when ones body is properly mineralized, the absorption and toxicity of heavy metals is greatly reduced. Our bodies should be as strong and healthy as possible before the chelation process should be attempted and minerals top the list not only because they make us stronger, but because they start the chelation process before an “official” chelator is even used.

The healthy cell wall favors intake of
[I]nutrients and elimination of waste products.


The involvement of free radicals in tissue injury induced by magnesium deficiency[xxiv] (mid://00000497/%23_edn24) causes an accumulation of oxidative products in the heart, liver, kidney, skeletal muscle tissues and in red blood cells.[xxv] (mid://00000497/%23_edn25) Magnesium is a crucial factor in the natural self-cleansing and detoxification responses of the body. It stimulates the sodium potassium pump on the cell wall and this initiates the cleansing process in part because the sodium-potassium-ATPase pump regulates intracellular and extracellular potassium levels.[xxvi] (mid://00000497/%23_edn26) “ATP production is essential for every cell to have an ample supply to deal with the challenges of metal overload, as it is required to even permit the cell to keep on pumping out calcium. Lack of ATP then is the underlying cause of abnormal calcification of tissues,” writes Dr. Garry Gordon

Transdermal Magnesium Therapy (http://www.magnesiumforlife.com/)

One concern with traditional allopathic chelation therapy in general is that chelating agents are not as specific as we would like and are likely to remove essential trace minerals as well as toxic metals. Mercury drastically increases the excretion of magnesium and calcium from the kidneys.[xxvii] (mid://00000497/%23_edn27) Both mercury itself and the drugs used to chelate mercury have a strong impact on mineral levels.

Limitations with the traditional allopathic chelation therapies include the fact that the agents used, while sometimes too specific to the metal targeted for removal, are also not protective enough when it comes to minerals that should be spared. Consequently essential trace minerals are likely to be depleted, making trace mineral replacement therapy absolutely essential. For example, EDTA is not effective for mercury, the number one toxic threat in most people. And DMPS and DMSA are dangerous to use because of their toxicity. Only highly trained physicians can safely administer them and even then we have problems like we do with all allopathic treatments.

Magnesium protects cells from aluminum, mercury, lead, cadmium, beryllium and nickel. Magnesium protects the cell against oxyradical damage and assists in the absorption and metabolism of B vitamins, vitamin C and E, which are anti-oxidants important in cell protection. Data demonstrates a direct action of glutathione both in vivo and in vitro to enhance intracellular magnesium and a clinical linkage between cellular magnesium, GSH/GSSG ratios, and tissue glucose metabolism.[xxviii] (mid://00000497/%23_edn28) According to Dr. Russell Blaylock, low magnesium is associated with dramatic increases in free radical generation as well as glutathione depletion and this is vital since glutathione is one of the few antioxidant molecules known to neutralize mercury.[xxix] (mid://00000497/%23_edn29)

“For every molecule of pesticide that your body' detoxifies, you throw away or use up forever, a molecule of glutathione, magnesium and more,” says Dr. Sherry Rogers who goes on to say that, “Your body uses nutrients to make this glutathione and it uses up energy as well. Every time we detoxify a chemical, we use up, lose, throw away forever, a certain amount of nutrients.”

Transdermal Magnesium Therapy (http://www.magnesiumforlife.com/)


Sea minerals in general are very helpful to doctors because the relative composition of many mineral trace-elements of the animal body is similar to the composition of the sea, where the first forms of life began. The sea is rich in iodine, about 60 micrograms (μg) per liter. Brown algae (seaweeds) accumulate iodine to morethan 30,000 times the concentration of this element in seawater.[xxx] (mid://00000497/%23_edn30),[xxxi] (mid://00000497/%23_edn31) Marine vegetation concentrates iodine for its antimicrobial and antioxidant properties.[xxxii] (mid://00000497/%23_edn32)

Doctors involved with Chernobyl nuclear plant catastrophe in 1989 used kelp for detoxification and thyroid gland rehabilitation, Modifilan helped thousands of nuclear plant workers and people in the area who were affected by the explosion because the iodine is protective against Strontium 90 and other toxicities.

The most important nutrient provided by kelp is iodine. Seaweed is noted for its ability to bind heavy metals and radioactive pollutants. Dr. Yukio Tanaka of the Gastrointestinal Research Lab at McGill University demonstrated that kelp may inhibit the absorption of lead, cadmium, and radioactive strontium (one of the most hazardous pollutants). 80 to 90 percent of radioisotopes of Strontium 90 could be removed from the intestinal tract in the presence of seaweed. Iodine and the sodium alginates found in seaweed are the specific agents that do the chelation. So much Strontium 90 has been released by nuclear explosions, power plants, and nuclear weapons facilities that it is believed that every person has detectable levels in their bone tissue. Many cancers are attributable to this contamination.

Some doctors see cancer tumors having characteristics very similar to yeasts. "Seaweeds (iodine) have exceptional value in the treatment of candida overgrowth. They contain selenium and (all the) other minerals necessary for rebuilding immunity; furthermore the rich iodine content is used by enzymes in the body to produce iodine-charged free radicals which deactivate yeasts. Before the advent of anti-fungal drugs, iodine was the standard medical treatment for yeasts. When candidiasis is complicated with tumours or cancers, then seaweed is of additional benefit. Salt should normally be restricted during candida overgrowth".[xxxiii] (mid://00000497/%23_edn33)

In today’s highly toxic world everyone is being heavily exposed to hazardous materials but for some strange reason the medical mainstream has been unwaveringly critical of the use of chelation in autistic children. The Food and Drug Administration considers treating autistic children with chelating drugs too risky and ineffective to grant approval for such use, though they have no answer themselves for safe and effective treatment of the disorder. An American Academy of Pediatrics article noted no published peer-reviewed research showing chelation therapy has any role to play in autism. The FDA and the AAP could not be more mistaken, more wrong as they deny and defend their insane ideas about the safety of poisons like mercury in vaccines and dental products. There is nothing safe or effective in trusting these organizations’ judgments.

Medical authorities warn of possible ill consequences to children undergoing the therapy. Along with metals, it is true that synthetic chelation also can strip the body of essential minerals like zinc and iron. In addition, the treatment can carry risks that include liver and kidney damage, bone-marrow problems, skin rashes, allergic reactions and nutritional deficiencies, doctors said. Medical authorities are correct in this regard for when chelation is done the allopathic way with synthetic drugs like DMPS, DMSA and EDTA, with each holding their own toxicity, we have all the potential problems and complications described above. Yes there are highly skilled physicians who know how to avoid most of these problems but they are rare, hard to find and expensive.


Mark Sircus Ac., OMD
Director International Medical Veritas Association
http://www.imva.info (http://www.imva.info/)
http://www.magnesiumforlife.com (http://www.magnesiumforlife.com/)
[email protected]

mark1963
29-03-2010, 02:28 PM
This is the process of taking iodine at the maximum recommended level for 3 to 6 months:

"Our environment is now loaded with the toxic halides bromine and fluorine. Up until now we have had no way to detoxify the body of these thyroid poisons. Iodine (http://curezone.com/c/?http://curezone.com/faq/c.asp?a=13,281,2962) Therapy now provides a protocol to accomplish what we have desired for years. And as an added bonus, there is additional detoxification of mercury and lead."

"People with heart arrhythmias, heart disease, ovary disease, breast disease, menopausal problems and hot flashes, muscle wasting, hypo- and hyperthyroid disease, “brain fog,” dementia and Alzheimer’s osteoporosis, premenstrual tension, and just about everyone on thyroid hormone medication probably need Iodine Therapy. And just about everyone poisoned with bromine, fluorine, mercury, lead, and the drug Amiodarone probably needs Iodine Therapy."

"Given what we now know about the built-in safety mechanism for iodine overload, Iodine Therapy is relatively safe. You could be tested for the amount of iodine you need and then checked again to see if you’ve reached fulfillment, but since excess iodine is harmlessly excreted as Iodide (http://curezone.com/c/?http://curezone.com/faq/q.asp?a=13,281,2962&q=579) in the urine, this is often not necessary. Most people reach Iodine Fulfillment on a dosage of between 37 and 50 mgs daily for 3 to 6 months."

"As a result of Iodine Therapy, women enjoy relief from chronic cystic breasts. Thyroid function is improved. Skin tone is improved. Indeed, in some patients, years seem to roll back. The mind functions better, and the “brain fog” is often lifted. Ovary syndromes are often permanently resolved. And the need for life-long thyroid medication is often diminished or eliminated altogether."

not that they use words like "may" and "probably" the page also cautions to back off once normalization occurs, so the need to be responsible with self application still applies.

pegcityevolve
31-03-2010, 03:51 PM
Well I can not wait to get my 2 bottles of Lugol's Iodine. Going to take 8 drops the first time I get it.

jammasterj13
31-03-2010, 04:49 PM
I've been on the lugols for about 2 weeks now.

And I would say not to take the max dosage straight away.

The most I've taken is two and that felt like too much for me so whittled it down to 1 drop a day and then 1 drop every other day.

It's quite potent stuff iodine on it's own and I would recommend a gradual increase to ease your body into accepting it.:)

mark1963
31-03-2010, 07:09 PM
I've been on the lugols for about 2 weeks now.

And I would say not to take the max dosage straight away.

The most I've taken is two and that felt like too much for me so whittled it down to 1 drop a day and then 1 drop every other day.

It's quite potent stuff iodine on it's own and I would recommend a gradual increase to ease your body into accepting it.:)

Good information - if it feels like it's too much for you - take less. Always try eventually to find out what your "dosage" is though. This can take some time.

By the way - everyone.

Iodine will clear the body of mercury and fluoride. It will clear the Pineal Gland and the Pituitary Gland of the fluoride that has accumulated. It is the best product for doing this.

Doctor's in the UK stopped prescribing it in the '60's - advice from the Pharma companies - no profit in it.

Also bread up until the 1960's had iodine added. This was removed in the '60's and bromine added - this competes directly with iodine in the thyroid hormone - taking it's place.

the_gent
02-04-2010, 03:07 PM
Am I right in thinking if you have low adrenals, you will need to build these up before something like Lugol's can have any effect?

Anyone have any recommendations on how to build adrenals up so that Lugol's will have the desired effect, either through diet or a supplement? Also what foods to avoid would be very much appreciated.

mark1963
02-04-2010, 03:13 PM
Am I right in thinking if you have low adrenals, you will need to build these up before something like Lugol's can have any effect?

Anyone have any recommendations on how to build adrenals up so that Lugol's will have the desired effect, either through diet or a supplement? Also what foods to avoid would be very much appreciated.

You are correct - but it's hard to determine if you have low adrenals. It may be that the low iodine has caused the low output from the adrenals.

A good way if you are over 30 would be to take 50mg's of DHEA a day for a few months. A rest day every three days is a must.

That should not stop you taking the iodine though.

Look through the thread to avoid the goitrogens and stop ingesting gluten. It's hard to do that though - so maybe build up to it.

Raw - fruit and vegetables is a definite plus. Especially fresh fruit (organic if you can) on an empty stomach in the mornings.

madgoone
14-04-2010, 08:25 AM
Buuummp!

Great info thanks for sharing,got my lugols and selenium.

mark1963
14-04-2010, 01:28 PM
Glad I could help in some way.

hobo
14-04-2010, 07:38 PM
thanks for this..:)

ufochick
14-04-2010, 07:46 PM
Thread convinced me to get some and it came today, could only get a 7% solution though so will see how it goes.

The charged iodine stuff you mention I actually came across a link on that stuff yesterday with some glowing reviews of it.

I did that test shown in the video in Op's post where you drop a bit on your arm and rub it in, after 8 hours it was all gone :( am assuming that is bad.

Would it be best just starting on 3 drops in a glass daily or should I go for more, am thinking just the three for a few weeks and then up it to 3 drops twice a day and then after another 2 weeks will do that test again.

Edit:Forgot to add I got some Selenium tablets aswell but am unsure if they can/should be taken at the same time as the Lugols or an hour before or an hour after sort of thing.

Be careful with selenium. Noty enough will cause muscle problems and severe cramping after exersize, to much can be toxic. You might look up on google how to see if you actually need it. But don't just start popping pills of it.

dalem
14-04-2010, 09:14 PM
Both myself and my wife often go down my local coast here in Sennen and bring back a bucket of Bladderwrack, take it home and dry it then chew some each day. The coast down here is very clean so I don't worry about contamination. Sometimes I powder it and sprinkle it on everything.

totalrecall
14-04-2010, 11:16 PM
I've just ordered some lugols.

I was thinking the other day how I've lost most of that youth feeling. I bounded down the stairs today swinging from the bannister. I realised I hadn't done that since I was a teenager. This is not because I had taken anything different, it just reminded me of my long gone youth.

Isn't Iodine good against parasites? That's how I know it anyway.

puckem
15-04-2010, 03:20 AM
Mark and all contributors involved in this discussion... Thank you!

I'll do the self test and get on the program PDQ, if needed. Pretty sure it will be since my diet has been pretty poor for years.

Question though, I found some 15% Lugol's Iodine (http://www.herbhealers.com/store/lugol-s-iodine-15-1-fl-oz-29-5-ml.html). Any opposition to taking this vs the 7% you've suggested Mark?

mark1963
15-04-2010, 10:19 AM
Be careful with selenium. Noty enough will cause muscle problems and severe cramping after exersize, to much can be toxic. You might look up on google how to see if you actually need it. But don't just start popping pills of it.

Wise words, do not do too much selenium.

mark1963
15-04-2010, 10:22 AM
Both myself and my wife often go down my local coast here in Sennen and bring back a bucket of Bladderwrack, take it home and dry it then chew some each day. The coast down here is very clean so I don't worry about contamination. Sometimes I powder it and sprinkle it on everything.

A lovely part of the world.

I've tried chewing it and nearly made myself sick - any tips?

mark1963
15-04-2010, 10:23 AM
I've just ordered some lugols.

I was thinking the other day how I've lost most of that youth feeling. I bounded down the stairs today swinging from the bannister. I realised I hadn't done that since I was a teenager. This is not because I had taken anything different, it just reminded me of my long gone youth.

Isn't Iodine good against parasites? That's how I know it anyway.

Iodine will kill all germs, parasites, etc.

Good luck with the Lugol's.

mark1963
15-04-2010, 10:26 AM
Mark and all contributors involved in this discussion... Thank you!

I'll do the self test and get on the program PDQ, if needed. Pretty sure it will be since my diet has been pretty poor for years.

Question though, I found some 15% Lugol's Iodine (http://www.herbhealers.com/store/lugol-s-iodine-15-1-fl-oz-29-5-ml.html). Any opposition to taking this vs the 7% you've suggested Mark?

Just make sure you do not do too much. Try a couple of drops for a few days and see how you feel.

If your diets been poor - no seafood, and you have fillings, drink tap water, use fluoride toothpaste, eat white bread products, you may need up to 50mg/day for a while.

Like anything it's not a quick fix, detoxifying can take weeks, months even. Don't try and rush it.

2013
15-04-2010, 10:07 PM
ordered the 7% lugols iodine .Will post how i get on ebay seller says use one drop and sip during meals . Do i use more drops or build up to it :D

pegcityevolve
15-04-2010, 10:14 PM
Still waiting for mine.

mark1963
15-04-2010, 10:18 PM
ordered the 7% lugols iodine .Will post how i get on ebay seller says use one drop and sip during meals . Do i use more drops or build up to it :D

Best to take it on an empty stomach in the morning 1/2 hour before food.

puckem
15-04-2010, 10:58 PM
Just make sure you do not do too much. Try a couple of drops for a few days and see how you feel.

If your diets been poor - no seafood, and you have fillings, drink tap water, use fluoride toothpaste, eat white bread products, you may need up to 50mg/day for a while.

Like anything it's not a quick fix, detoxifying can take weeks, months even. Don't try and rush it.Thanks brother!

dalem
15-04-2010, 11:20 PM
A lovely part of the world.

I've tried chewing it and nearly made myself sick - any tips?
:) Well we kind of got used to it now and even find it quite pleasant to chew.
We often dry and powder it, then sprinkle it on salads and veg, that way you can disguise the taste, or if you like soups you can throw in a tablespoon and get the benefits from it without vomiting.

If you air dry it for a couple of days you can get rid of the slimey texture which could induce some people to want to throw up..

mark1963
16-04-2010, 07:09 AM
:) Well we kind of got used to it now and even find it quite pleasant to chew.
We often dry and powder it, then sprinkle it on salads and veg, that way you can disguise the taste, or if you like soups you can throw in a tablespoon and get the benefits from it without vomiting.

If you air dry it for a couple of days you can get rid of the slimey texture which could induce some people to want to throw up..

Thanks for the information - I shall try that.

pegcityevolve
21-04-2010, 08:19 PM
I just got my two bottles in! Had 6 drops a half hour ago. I am feeling an energy boost slowly picking up. Hopefully this will reduce my anxiety as I believe my root chakra is not so strong - the iodine should help my thyroid which handles the adrenals. :)

unusual_suspect
21-04-2010, 08:49 PM
I just got my two bottles in! Had 6 drops a half hour ago. I am feeling an energy boost slowly picking up. Hopefully this will reduce my anxiety as I believe my root chakra is not so strong - the iodine should help my thyroid which handles the adrenals. :)

What happens if you have too much iodine? Can you do yourself a wrongun with this lugols and kelp etc?

pessi_optimist
21-04-2010, 09:21 PM
i don't understand an aspect of the article, where Doc Brownstein says that iodine removes mercury and other toxins from the system, including selenium. Why would anyone want to remove selenium from the system? Or did i read it wrongly

pessi_optimist
21-04-2010, 09:23 PM
Anyone heard of magnesium zinc supplements, MZA? I have started to take vitamin d, will probably take iodine if it makes sense and perhaps mza, or just zinc

madgoone
22-04-2010, 07:51 AM
i don't understand an aspect of the article, where Doc Brownstein says that iodine removes mercury and other toxins from the system, including selenium. Why would anyone want to remove selenium from the system? Or did i read it wrongly
selenium is used to bind to the toxins (mecury,flouride etc)for removal thats why you have to take a selenium supplement to help in detox also unrefined salt will help in pushing the crap out:)

pegcityevolve
23-04-2010, 04:37 PM
What happens if you have too much iodine? Can you do yourself a wrongun with this lugols and kelp etc?Yeah apparently you can. You'd have to take a lot of it, though, I'm sure.

Does anybody know if it's really that useless to take Iodine with anti-oxidants? Last I checked both apple cider vinegar and selenium are anti-oxidants. Also you need to take/eat other stuff because the selenium needs other nutrients for it to work properly. So you end up eating more anti-oxidants.

??

mark1963
23-04-2010, 09:11 PM
Anyone heard of magnesium zinc supplements, MZA? I have started to take vitamin d, will probably take iodine if it makes sense and perhaps mza, or just zinc

Yes, I've looked at it - a good night's sleep - perhaps.

It's been my experience that other supplements work better when you use iodine.

The choice, of course, is yours.

Please inform me how you get on.

mark1963
23-04-2010, 09:13 PM
selenium is used to bind to the toxins (mecury,flouride etc)for removal thats why you have to take a selenium supplement to help in detox also unrefined salt will help in pushing the crap out:)

Selenium is excellent.

Just do not take too much.

mark1963
23-04-2010, 09:15 PM
I just got my two bottles in! Had 6 drops a half hour ago. I am feeling an energy boost slowly picking up. Hopefully this will reduce my anxiety as I believe my root chakra is not so strong - the iodine should help my thyroid which handles the adrenals. :)

Your chakra's - all of them are energised all the time.

Unfortunately our thoughts - mind - get in the way.

Quiet your mind.

Iodine will help heal the body/mind connection.

mark1963
23-04-2010, 09:17 PM
Yeah apparently you can. You'd have to take a lot of it, though, I'm sure.

Does anybody know if it's really that useless to take Iodine with anti-oxidants? Last I checked both apple cider vinegar and selenium are anti-oxidants. Also you need to take/eat other stuff because the selenium needs other nutrients for it to work properly. So you end up eating more anti-oxidants.

??

Anti-oxidants are good.

You need to sort out the basics for the body first and iodine is an essential basic.

totalrecall
24-04-2010, 03:28 PM
I won't mention all the effects here as I have to scoot off now.

However, two of the biggies of lugols (I've taken 6 drops, 2 days so far only) is that my sense of smell and taste improved dramatically, but sadly, initially, to the expense of my visualisations (although this is now improving).

Bigger than that is that I can't stand sweet things now and all sugary things are over emphasized and do not taste nice whereas they were pleasant before (and I was the last person to have a sweet tooth). My theory is that it was the parasites making me like sweet things as that is what they feed off.

I notice the sugar in everything now.

pegcityevolve
26-04-2010, 06:04 AM
Your chakra's - all of them are energised all the time.

Unfortunately our thoughts - mind - get in the way.

Quiet your mind.

Iodine will help heal the body/mind connection.True, that's why I bought iodine. My root chakra is not the type of energized I want, usually it flips from under active to overactive. The energy is not balanced most of the time. I just finished the lowest solfeggio frequency in 20 minutes on some earphones. :)

Regarding iodine, reading on the internet you will still find a lot of people with iodine-phobia. Most still believe that you'll overdose over just one milligram.

mark1963
26-04-2010, 02:50 PM
I won't mention all the effects here as I have to scoot off now.

However, two of the biggies of lugols (I've taken 6 drops, 2 days so far only) is that my sense of smell and taste improved dramatically, but sadly, initially, to the expense of my visualisations (although this is now improving).

Bigger than that is that I can't stand sweet things now and all sugary things are over emphasized and do not taste nice whereas they were pleasant before (and I was the last person to have a sweet tooth). My theory is that it was the parasites making me like sweet things as that is what they feed off.

I notice the sugar in everything now.

My visualisations increased when I started taking the iodine. Seems different for different people.

mark1963
26-04-2010, 02:51 PM
True, that's why I bought iodine. My root chakra is not the type of energized I want, usually it flips from under active to overactive. The energy is not balanced most of the time. I just finished the lowest solfeggio frequency in 20 minutes on some earphones. :)

Regarding iodine, reading on the internet you will still find a lot of people with iodine-phobia. Most still believe that you'll overdose over just one milligram.

Yes - there's alot of media induced fear/phobia about natural products being generated.

One of the newspapers did a hit piece on kelp/iodine a few weeks ago. The reporter was just parroting tripe with no original research at all.

2013
26-04-2010, 09:30 PM
up to 3 drops a day now before food , cant say ive noticed much difference but i have been busy over active so give it time to settle and increase dose and i will post more .:D

dragoness
27-04-2010, 12:02 AM
Great thread! Thank you!! :)

madgoone
27-04-2010, 08:15 AM
cure zone has an iodine forum with sum good info on detoxing,including using sea salt as part of the protocol,i have got up to 25 drops in a day and had a nasty herx/detox reaction (headaches acne brain fog )drank about 3 large glasses of water with a qarter of a teaspoon of unrefined sea salt over the space of 6 hours and the probs went away.BTW i am noticing others changes in me and they are all positive :)just build up slowly if your going for a full detox and dont forget to have days off from it and take all the companion nutrients/vitamins needed to flush the bromine-flourine etc out of your system once the iodine has kicked them out.
I dont recomend anyone doing the amount i got up to unless your brave and can handle it, just stick to the amount mark1963 has advised




http://curezone.com/forums/f.asp?f=815

blue2
27-04-2010, 01:44 PM
Good post. Would you mind commenting on what my consultant told me, ie. that taking iodine won't help because I don't have a thyroid to deal with it.
Also he said armour is no good coz it's too variable in terms of how much of the hormones you get.
Thanks in advance.

Sorry for not responding sooner. Many many Doctors will tell you this Freedom1st about Armour - because- of misinformation from British Thyroid Association and a certain Professor -Wheetman- if i recall name correctly.

Right before the invention by Big Pharma of synthetic L Thyroxine in the
1970's. Armourthyroid was used in UK for 100 yrs and since synthetics it was 'rubbished'...you may find some information on this history on Thyroid Patient Advocacy site, UK. Armourthyroid was, should still be, allowed on NHS prescription on a named patient basis for those whom synthetic rubbish thyroxine disagrees with-but trying to get this right is like trying to get gold or blood from a stone. It is unlicensed now in UK because it doesn't need to be. I can tell you it is far better than any of your synthetic (licensed) rubbish that keeps folks ill or undertreated. MHRA have no issues with it coming into UK at all,this is the Medicines Health Regulatory Agency and i had a letter from them a few years ago stating such. Licensing needs to be due to dangers of plying us with their poisons and for Dr's Insurance and of course it is huge mega bucks for them all. There has been war on between Thyroid UK and British Thyroid Association over Armour,as many people got well on it!
If you want link for Armour pm me. I wouldn't discuss to be honest with any Dr but learn how to look after yourself,as you are doing here.

A GP once said to me as i've said before somewhere, "if i made you well i'd be out of a job".....he had a daughter whom had been diagnosed with ME and made her do her A levels in bed whilst ill with a virus that is how cold and calculating he was. No one else was as ill as she!! and he had the title of a Dr!!
A Consultant said to me " you could be seen as a threat to medical profession cos you know too much"!! These statements sum it all up for me.

Mark1963 knows also what he is talking about!

My preference is for magnascent iodine as it is more easily available to getting into cells as Lugols is heavier and stays suspended so may not reach where it needs to be. Magnascent is easier on the taste buds too! in it's lightness. Magnascent is better tolerated...when i had Flu etc winter before last i used it 1% and in 8oz filtered water and was taking as much as i wanted without ill effects at least 100 drops divided into three times and more at times when infection was at it's worst...it cleared it away and unlike with antibiotics one reinfects you don't with this and it targets where it is needed most. Japanese women are said to consume 12.5mg daily and never get cancers etc in their raw diets of sushi and seaweed...but do keep in mind our oily fish now is said to be mercury rich! Keep in mind also they are healthy people not sick like in UK individuals so we need more.

I don't believe you don't need it. Dr's are good at one thing telling people negatives! It's really not in their best interests to get you well is it! they'd be out of a job i was told so!!!

If you don't have a thyroid then why are you still alive! You need to build up yourself with basics like Minerals in the form of Ionics from www.detoxyourworld.com Magnesium deficiency is one mineral that is associated with many diseases and in influencing hormones.....Transdermal Magnesium Therapy as written by Mark Sircus OMD and all his other books like on Iodine and Bicarb etc etc....he is very good with his information, International Medical Veritas Association IMVA and Natural Allopathic Medicine. I buy in mine from UK importer as i can get it in bigger quantities than say Health Leads UK where you can also buy Lugols if that is your choice of course. Same importer i know get in the Magnascent iodine.

Bread leaches out minerals like iodine as do other chems of synthetic nature. Use Dark Ryvitas or 'Sprouted' breads,rice cakes. Supermarket breads contain synthetic harmful chems instead of rising and proving in old fashioned baker way say in a small village type bakery that uses no GM flours and no synthetics....use organic brown rice- no white stuff- no white foods- no wines-in fact no alcohol as this turns to sugar apart from synthetics within it-no boxed cereals- as boxed contains Sterigmatocystin found on cheese crusts going mouldy, cereals,maize this i found quite by accident at this site www.Archive.food.gov.uk It is a carcinogenic mycotoxin and is a poison of the type dermatoxin from funghi genus Aspergillus. It is an inhibitor of DNA synthesis and causes inflammation of liver and kidneys. Need i say more!

The Erfa Armourthyroid is a Canadian brand and much like it's original form long ago. Your Consultant i doubt will have heard of it.

Some of the best minerals i took were Angstrom from David Favor of www.radicalhealth.com some do say Ionics are similar. At the time he had them in bottles of set of three,so there were morning ones,midday,evening minerals,he split them up as certain ones were needed at certain times.

The Himalayan Pink salt from detoxyourworld or wherever can be made into Sole ( so-lay) and you take a tspn of the solution daily on waking for remineralising yourself. Use the ionics too.

mark1963
27-04-2010, 06:21 PM
cure zone has an iodine forum with sum good info on detoxing,including using sea salt as part of the protocol,i have got up to 25 drops in a day and had a nasty herx/detox reaction (headaches acne brain fog )drank about 3 large glasses of water with a qarter of a teaspoon of unrefined sea salt over the space of 6 hours and the probs went away.BTW i am noticing others changes in me and they are all positive :)just build up slowly if your going for a full detox and dont forget to have days off from it and take all the companion nutrients/vitamins needed to flush the bromine-flourine etc out of your system once the iodine has kicked them out.
I dont recomend anyone doing the amount i got up to unless your brave and can handle it, just stick to the amount mark1963 has advised




http://curezone.com/forums/f.asp?f=815

Detox is a bitch. I've had it and lethargy, flu like symptoms all came on. Not for long though.

Flushing out with good quality water or fruit on an empty stomach is advisable - melons are great.

mark1963
27-04-2010, 06:27 PM
freedom1st - blue2 is correct.

If you had no thyroid gland you would have met your maker long ago. I'm afraid you have been told a pack of lies.

Armour has had very good reports - I'm not taking it so somewhere like curezone may have the information you want.

Iodine is needed all over the body, muscles, brain, bones. You need it and it will take out much of the crap - fluoride, bromide, chloride, mercury that has accumulated.

Just ask yourself why the Japanese have relative good health compared to us in the West. Seafood.

blue2
27-04-2010, 08:24 PM
I won't mention all the effects here as I have to scoot off now.

However, two of the biggies of lugols (I've taken 6 drops, 2 days so far only) is that my sense of smell and taste improved dramatically, but sadly, initially, to the expense of my visualisations (although this is now improving).

Bigger than that is that I can't stand sweet things now and all sugary things are over emphasized and do not taste nice whereas they were pleasant before (and I was the last person to have a sweet tooth). My theory is that it was the parasites making me like sweet things as that is what they feed off.

I notice the sugar in everything now. YES you are so right on this actually if you did a serious Anti Candida diet which means no sugar no white refined stuff and no processed foods and drinks no mushrooms no wine no alcohol and certainly no boxed cereals and limited fruit apart from strawberries and blueberries and odd apple no pears or bananas though as too high in sugars,better organic as i'm sure you know-and i am sure that allergies are caused by parasites and you are correct about parasites causing cravings they feed off you and make you want these awful things it's akin to a rat knawing away at your gut...when doing detoxes it is due to not getting rid of the toxins fast enough that you get a reaction-and people need to drink 4-6 litres filtered water daily. Melon good for liver but i find too sweet.

I did a serious anti candida diet for two years a few yrs ago as my life depended upon it and it was under guidance of a Practitioner of Chinese Herbal Medicine Acupuncturist who was a Buddhist but not a Monk! He was brilliant not met another like him. I don't often like sugary things especially white stuff hate it. If i were to it would be Muscovado but i quite like demerara the unrefined raw cane. If i bought any cakes not made with my own particular ingredients then i get sugar imbalance-so it doesn't happen. I prefer to make my own foods then i know what is in them and no sugar imbalances occur.

The Magnascent Iodine is better but of course not everyone can afford so lugols better than nothing except it is heavier and some cannot tolerate it as much. I've used in past when i built up and at max i used 10 drops in large amount of water but sipping gradually better for you so it doesn't go straight through you. One of the best things i did was growing a sprouting spelt wheatgrass and other seeds and beans but it is time consuming but a complete medicine.

I'd use Himalayan Pink salt for Sole (so-lay)...

Apitherapy.biz are a Bee Keeper and Nutritionist that sell complete bee foods, and keep them, so Royal jelly,bee food,propolis tincture and the honey quite a dark one unlike any in shops but complete food with all nutrients- i used when i could hardly eat anything and the way i used it morning was in organic plain bio yoghurt stirred it altogether and that was my high protein brekkie.

suthseaxan
27-04-2010, 08:42 PM
http://www.chemist.net/Pharmacy/medicine-pain-relief-body-pains-suspensions/care/care-iodine-tincture-bp-pd-2550.html

Any good ?

the_gent
28-04-2010, 12:03 PM
Have just received a bottle of Lugol's 7% solution through the post. However, on the bottle it says do not use if pregnant, have thyroid problems or are on medication.

I thought the whole point of Lugol's with regards to this thread was to help people with thyroid problems?

freedom1st
28-04-2010, 01:38 PM
Sorry for not responding sooner. Many many Doctors will tell you this Freedom1st about Armour - because- of misinformation from British Thyroid Association and a certain Professor -Wheetman- if i recall name correctly.

Right before the invention by Big Pharma of synthetic L Thyroxine in the
1970's. Armourthyroid was used in UK for 100 yrs and since synthetics it was 'rubbished'...you may find some information on this history on Thyroid Patient Advocacy site, UK. Armourthyroid was, should still be, allowed on NHS prescription on a named patient basis for those whom synthetic rubbish thyroxine disagrees with-but trying to get this right is like trying to get gold or blood from a stone. It is unlicensed now in UK because it doesn't need to be. I can tell you it is far better than any of your synthetic (licensed) rubbish that keeps folks ill or undertreated. MHRA have no issues with it coming into UK at all,this is the Medicines Health Regulatory Agency and i had a letter from them a few years ago stating such. Licensing needs to be due to dangers of plying us with their poisons and for Dr's Insurance and of course it is huge mega bucks for them all. There has been war on between Thyroid UK and British Thyroid Association over Armour,as many people got well on it!
If you want link for Armour pm me. I wouldn't discuss to be honest with any Dr but learn how to look after yourself,as you are doing here.

A GP once said to me as i've said before somewhere, "if i made you well i'd be out of a job".....he had a daughter whom had been diagnosed with ME and made her do her A levels in bed whilst ill with a virus that is how cold and calculating he was. No one else was as ill as she!! and he had the title of a Dr!!
A Consultant said to me " you could be seen as a threat to medical profession cos you know too much"!! These statements sum it all up for me.

Mark1963 knows also what he is talking about!

My preference is for magnascent iodine as it is more easily available to getting into cells as Lugols is heavier and stays suspended so may not reach where it needs to be. Magnascent is easier on the taste buds too! in it's lightness. Magnascent is better tolerated...when i had Flu etc winter before last i used it 1% and in 8oz filtered water and was taking as much as i wanted without ill effects at least 100 drops divided into three times and more at times when infection was at it's worst...it cleared it away and unlike with antibiotics one reinfects you don't with this and it targets where it is needed most. Japanese women are said to consume 12.5mg daily and never get cancers etc in their raw diets of sushi and seaweed...but do keep in mind our oily fish now is said to be mercury rich! Keep in mind also they are healthy people not sick like in UK individuals so we need more.

I don't believe you don't need it. Dr's are good at one thing telling people negatives! It's really not in their best interests to get you well is it! they'd be out of a job i was told so!!!

If you don't have a thyroid then why are you still alive! You need to build up yourself with basics like Minerals in the form of Ionics from www.detoxyourworld.com Magnesium deficiency is one mineral that is associated with many diseases and in influencing hormones.....Transdermal Magnesium Therapy as written by Mark Sircus OMD and all his other books like on Iodine and Bicarb etc etc....he is very good with his information, International Medical Veritas Association IMVA and Natural Allopathic Medicine. I buy in mine from UK importer as i can get it in bigger quantities than say Health Leads UK where you can also buy Lugols if that is your choice of course. Same importer i know get in the Magnascent iodine.

Bread leaches out minerals like iodine as do other chems of synthetic nature. Use Dark Ryvitas or 'Sprouted' breads,rice cakes. Supermarket breads contain synthetic harmful chems instead of rising and proving in old fashioned baker way say in a small village type bakery that uses no GM flours and no synthetics....use organic brown rice- no white stuff- no white foods- no wines-in fact no alcohol as this turns to sugar apart from synthetics within it-no boxed cereals- as boxed contains Sterigmatocystin found on cheese crusts going mouldy, cereals,maize this i found quite by accident at this site www.Archive.food.gov.uk It is a carcinogenic mycotoxin and is a poison of the type dermatoxin from funghi genus Aspergillus. It is an inhibitor of DNA synthesis and causes inflammation of liver and kidneys. Need i say more!

The Erfa Armourthyroid is a Canadian brand and much like it's original form long ago. Your Consultant i doubt will have heard of it.

Some of the best minerals i took were Angstrom from David Favor of www.radicalhealth.com some do say Ionics are similar. At the time he had them in bottles of set of three,so there were morning ones,midday,evening minerals,he split them up as certain ones were needed at certain times.

The Himalayan Pink salt from detoxyourworld or wherever can be made into Sole ( so-lay) and you take a tspn of the solution daily on waking for remineralising yourself. Use the ionics too.

Many thanks for that great info. I think I will try the iodine and push for the armour although will probably have to fund it myself. Do you know of any good sites I could buy it from?

freedom1st
28-04-2010, 01:40 PM
freedom1st - blue2 is correct.

If you had no thyroid gland you would have met your maker long ago. I'm afraid you have been told a pack of lies.

Armour has had very good reports - I'm not taking it so somewhere like curezone may have the information you want.

Iodine is needed all over the body, muscles, brain, bones. You need it and it will take out much of the crap - fluoride, bromide, chloride, mercury that has accumulated.

Just ask yourself why the Japanese have relative good health compared to us in the West. Seafood.

Re: fluoride - check out the link below which claims that fluoride is probably the cause of underactive thyroid!

http://www.shirleys-wellness-cafe.com/women.htm#thyroid

mark1963
28-04-2010, 03:03 PM
http://www.chemist.net/Pharmacy/medicine-pain-relief-body-pains-suspensions/care/care-iodine-tincture-bp-pd-2550.html

Any good ?

Seem's OK

mark1963
28-04-2010, 03:05 PM
Have just received a bottle of Lugol's 7% solution through the post. However, on the bottle it says do not use if pregnant, have thyroid problems or are on medication.

I thought the whole point of Lugol's with regards to this thread was to help people with thyroid problems?

It could mean hyperthyroidism (fast thyroid) - but it does not say that.

If you have a fast thyroid - then iodine is not recommended.

As for all thyroid problem's - well that is Orwellian doublespeak - they are covering themselves as iodine is being attacked by the MSM.

mark1963
28-04-2010, 03:08 PM
Re: fluoride - check out the link below which claims that fluoride is probably the cause of underactive thyroid!

http://www.shirleys-wellness-cafe.com/women.htm#thyroid

Look's like a good book.

Fluoride is a major cause of thyroid problems - fortunately iodine can rid the body of it effectively.

pegcityevolve
28-04-2010, 03:09 PM
I thought it was recommended both ways? Both underactive and overactive.

blackster
28-04-2010, 09:48 PM
I had tests done a few years back and the results came back as my thyroid is borderline for being underactive or some bollox :confused: i have to get blood tests every few months to monitor things. I also have quite a lot of shitty amalgam fillings from having a sweet tooth and bad dental hygiene when i was younger. So would it be worthwhile me considering iodine treatment to maybe help counter any future problems with my thyroid.

Any advice will be greatly appreciated :)

mijas
29-04-2010, 04:25 PM
Thanks for starting this thread. I had iodine for 'emergencies' but now I have started taking it today. Its from wellnessresources.com Iosol Iodine, contains 1830mcg per drop I'm not sure how this converts to mgs? Is 2000 mcg = 2 mg?

Also question to those who use it, how do you know if you've taken too much? Some of you say start slow, what are the symptoms of overdosing? If its too much energy, thats fine with me!

Blackster, I would give it a try, my thyroid was borderline as well, I took kelp & ate dulse it didnt really help. I dont want to take drugs. Am on Thyroid Helper (Byron Richards) the last 2 weeks & I feel my energy is a bit better. No harm in getting a bottle of the iodine & see if it helps.

Will keep u posted on iodine progress:D

mark1963
29-04-2010, 04:45 PM
I had tests done a few years back and the results came back as my thyroid is borderline for being underactive or some bollox :confused: i have to get blood tests every few months to monitor things. I also have quite a lot of shitty amalgam fillings from having a sweet tooth and bad dental hygiene when i was younger. So would it be worthwhile me considering iodine treatment to maybe help counter any future problems with my thyroid.

Any advice will be greatly appreciated :)

Get the Lugol's or Magnascent Iodine.

Look at the entire thread - all the information you require is there.

Start off slowly.

If you are in the UK, you HAVE hypothyroidism. The TSH level is 10 in the UK and much lower elsewhere - in Sweden it is 2.5 - 400% lower.

mark1963
29-04-2010, 04:47 PM
Thanks for starting this thread. I had iodine for 'emergencies' but now I have started taking it today. Its from wellnessresources.com Iosol Iodine, contains 1830mcg per drop I'm not sure how this converts to mgs? Is 2000 mcg = 2 mg?

Also question to those who use it, how do you know if you've taken too much? Some of you say start slow, what are the symptoms of overdosing? If its too much energy, thats fine with me!

Blackster, I would give it a try, my thyroid was borderline as well, I took kelp & ate dulse it didnt really help. I dont want to take drugs. Am on Thyroid Helper (Byron Richards) the last 2 weeks & I feel my energy is a bit better. No harm in getting a bottle of the iodine & see if it helps.

Will keep u posted on iodine progress:D

Is 2000 mcg = 2 mg? - yes it is.

Energy and a feeling of well-being, even being more relaxed, less stressed and better sleep patterns. It's different for people, but, these are the main areas.

mark1963
29-04-2010, 04:51 PM
I thought it was recommended both ways? Both underactive and overactive.

I cannot find a source that suggests taking more iodine for hyperthyroidism.

Do you have a source?

I would clarify that everybody needs iodine in their diet.

dalem
29-04-2010, 10:00 PM
Coast 2 Coast - 9/3/2010 - Thyroid Video

This video has been removed due to terms of use violation.
Any chance to reup it or possibly another link?

blackster
29-04-2010, 10:12 PM
Get the Lugol's or Magnascent Iodine.

Look at the entire thread - all the information you require is there.

Start off slowly.

If you are in the UK, you HAVE hypothyroidism. The TSH level is 10 in the UK and much lower elsewhere - in Sweden it is 2.5 - 400% lower.

Thank you for the advice :)

I have been collecting quite a bit of info about the Thyroid and Iodine online and saving it so i can get clued up on the whole thing. I will get hold of some Lugols Iodine, and also read the thread from the start.


Thank you for making this thread and bringing it to my attention :)

21_12_2012
29-04-2010, 10:27 PM
I have been on lugols for a few weeks now, and it has helped tremendously with my 'daytime drowsiness'

Not once have i slept in the daytime since taking it, and i've even purposely tested myself by having less sleep at night to see if i get tired in the daytime and have a sleep, but no, not 1 minute have i drifted off in the day or even wanted to.

SO that's a brilliant start for now anyway.
My attention span and focusing abilities are still improving, but im also doing a mercury detox for the brain which ive been doing for months now, so i dont know if the iodine would have helped on its own or not, i expect it is helping though.

Great thread, and thanks Mark for bringing the subject up. I'm sure it'll help lots of people knowing this info.

dalem
29-04-2010, 10:48 PM
Anyone know where I can get an "Iodine in Urine Tester" it's a more accurate test for Iodine in your body than blood tests. I know you can send of your Urine for testing but it's really expensive.

dalem
29-04-2010, 10:52 PM
I cannot find a source that suggests taking more iodine for hyperthyroidism.

Do you have a source?

I would clarify that everybody needs iodine in their diet.
Google for this video "Iodine - The Most Misunderstood Nutrient" By Dr David Berstein
It states in the video that you do need more Iodine for Hyperthyroidism.

pipsicle
30-04-2010, 01:14 PM
I have been researching the Thyroid gland recently, so imagine my happiness when Coast 2 Coast broadcast a whole program about it.

We are being deliberately stripped of iodine in our diets.

Fluoride (water, toothpaste, etc), Chloride (Water, washing up liquid, detergent, cleaning products) Bromide (white flour products, bread, cakes, etc) are in the same group on the periodic table as iodine.

They substitute themselves very easily for iodine in the thyroid molecule.

A blood test from your doctor will show a normal thyroid test, but, the thyroid molecule is no longer iodine based and so the molecule is ineffective.

In other words - EVERYONE - will have thyroid deficiencies.

Thyroid is the underlying cause for our health in EVERY process in the human body.



The official reason for people's thyoid tests is that iodine has been "plentiful" in the diet since the 1970's. The reality is the TSH test came in this decade and is alleged by some doctors to produce a 90% false negative rate.

pipsicle
30-04-2010, 02:08 PM
Sorry for not responding sooner. Many many Doctors will tell you this Freedom1st about Armour - because- of misinformation from British Thyroid Association and a certain Professor -Wheetman- if i recall name correctly.

Right before the invention by Big Pharma of synthetic L Thyroxine in the
1970's. Armourthyroid was used in UK for 100 yrs and since synthetics it was 'rubbished'...you may find some information on this history on Thyroid Patient Advocacy site, UK. Armourthyroid was, should still be, allowed on NHS prescription on a named patient basis for those whom synthetic rubbish thyroxine disagrees with-but trying to get this right is like trying to get gold or blood from a stone.


Excellent info, Blue. Natural thyroid has been used since Murray discovered the cure for hypothyroidism in 1898. Armour was used widely until 1985, when it became uneconomical to manufacture (apparently it costs £25, while synthetic T4 costs about a quid). Patients usually prefer the natural whole thyroid to synthetic T4; apparently those who have suffered from long-standing hypothyroidism will be unlikely to be able to convert all the T4 to T3 in the liver.

Armour was reformulated in 2009. Some long-time fans of it no longer find it to be quite as effective and have switched to other brands such as Erfa.

pegcityevolve
08-05-2010, 04:39 PM
So If I had two pieces of wholegrain toast (Dempster's Ancient grains) with about one table spoon of cheese wiz on each slice (around 450mg sodium total), how much iodine would I need to counter that?

dalem
08-05-2010, 05:05 PM
I just checked my Centrum Advance multi-vits and they do have iodine in, apparently 66.7% of my daily requirement.

But thanks for the info. I agree, weakening our thyroids is an obvious way of dumbing us down.

According to the US, UK and Euro health authorities the RDA is 150µg (Micrograms) when in actual fact all of the modern research done on Iodine levels suggest that this is grossly underestimated. We should be taking doses of Iodine in the mg (milligram) range.
1 µg is one thousand times smaller than 1 mg.

"Centrum" contains 100µg of Iodine. That is equal to 0.1 mg
0.1 mg is about one twentieth of what you need.

bush doctor
08-05-2010, 08:48 PM
Wow, guy's class thread, better than all the results I have had back from google searching a remedy for the thyroid agenda.

My partner has been taking Levothyrox 125mg for more than five years and since "waking up" I have been searching for a way for her to come off these,so far she has stoped taking statins and high B P tabs, now its time for the thyroxine to be binned, however all my searches have usually stated "life time meds" so stopping is a bit of a spooky prospect.

Many thanks for the OP highlighting this issue.

My question is:Has anyone has actually given up high dose thyroxine and found an alternative.

I have gone through all the pages in the thread but not yet used any links posted, so if this is already out there could someone past the link svp.


Thanks in advance:)

dalem
08-05-2010, 09:29 PM
My question is:Has anyone has actually given up high dose thyroxine and found an alternative.

bush doctor, I am in a similar position to you. My wife has been on Levothyroxine for the past 7 years.
I have researched thyroid problems for the past 4-5 years, I came across Dr David Brownstein and his amazing video Iodine - The Most Misunderstood Nutrient.
Do you realise that your wife may not need any Thyroxine at all, the mere fact that she could be Iodine deficient could be causing the thyroid gland not to function as it should be. Replacing the Iodine can have miraculous results.
Doctors especially here in the UK are very "Old School" and only believe what they were taught at Med school. The average UK GP is just a quack doctor and has to consult his books to tell him/her what to do. I battled with my wifes doctor for years, telling him it was a thyroid problem (I did'nt know about Iodine then ) and it wasn't until we demanded a thyroid test that we found out she was Hypothyroid.

They will probably suggest to you that she has a Blood test to determine her Iodine levels. These blood tests are completely inaccurate and the only way to know for sure is by the Iodine Load Test The Load test measures her urine excretion of Iodine over a 24 hour period.

She must also try to eliminate Chlorine, Bromine and Flouride from her body.
This can be done by relatively high doses of Iodine 50 - 150 mg per day and carefully monitoring her intake of these substances.
If she has high levels of these Halogens this will show up in the Iodine Load Test.

There is only so much you can find out through your doctor, I don't trust them and never have, all they want to do is fill you full of drugs that cause bigger problems than what they are trying to treat.
They never treat the cause of the problem which in your wifes case could be Iodine deficiency. Thyroxine is not usually a life long treatment if your Iodine levels are sufficient.
If you can find the video I would highly recommend looking at it.
Seems like we are in the same boat so if you wanna PM or leave any info hear i'll always be willing to help.

I am not suggesting your wife stops taking Thyroxine, it is a matter for the both of you to decide and if you choose under medical supervision.
Try to find a doctor who knows about Iodine treatment and who understands that Iodine could be at the root of her thyroid problem.

bush doctor
09-05-2010, 04:16 PM
bush doctor, I am in a similar position to you. My wife has been on Levothyroxine for the past 7 years.
I have researched thyroid problems for the past 4-5 years, I came across Dr David Brownstein and his amazing video Iodine - The Most Misunderstood Nutrient.
Do you realise that your wife may not need any Thyroxine at all, the mere fact that she could be Iodine deficient could be causing the thyroid gland not to function as it should be. Replacing the Iodine can have miraculous results.
Doctors especially here in the UK are very "Old School" and only believe what they were taught at Med school. The average UK GP is just a quack doctor and has to consult his books to tell him/her what to do. I battled with my wifes doctor for years, telling him it was a thyroid problem (I did'nt know about Iodine then ) and it wasn't until we demanded a thyroid test that we found out she was Hypothyroid.

They will probably suggest to you that she has a Blood test to determine her Iodine levels. These blood tests are completely inaccurate and the only way to know for sure is by the Iodine Load Test The Load test measures her urine excretion of Iodine over a 24 hour period.

She must also try to eliminate Chlorine, Bromine and Flouride from her body.
This can be done by relatively high doses of Iodine 50 - 150 mg per day and carefully monitoring her intake of these substances.
If she has high levels of these Halogens this will show up in the Iodine Load Test.

There is only so much you can find out through your doctor, I don't trust them and never have, all they want to do is fill you full of drugs that cause bigger problems than what they are trying to treat.
They never treat the cause of the problem which in your wifes case could be Iodine deficiency. Thyroxine is not usually a life long treatment if your Iodine levels are sufficient.
If you can find the video I would highly recommend looking at it.
Seems like we are in the same boat so if you wanna PM or leave any info hear i'll always be willing to help.

I am not suggesting your wife stops taking Thyroxine, it is a matter for the both of you to decide and if you choose under medical supervision.
Try to find a doctor who knows about Iodine treatment and who understands that Iodine could be at the root of her thyroid problem.

Thanks for the reply dalem,so true of the medical system today,most docs now are just the front for wholesale delivery of drugs without any empathy for the patient at all, real doctoring is dead and gone for the mainstream, they must look at us as a duration of meds consumer and when they get a life time customer they no - doubt jump for joy at the prospect of a lifer bonus from the pharmas I'm sure.

My partner has battled through breast cancer + 11 years now, but first went through both chemo and RT broke her leg on the therapy got pneumonia and given a shed load of drugs we now now were both detrimental and unnecessary these IMO have left her with the probs of today "bastards" same old retrospective thoughts "if I new then what I know now" well I think you know what I mean,so to stop the thyroxine is a cert, research is the key as her thyroid may have been affected by the radiation burning therapy, I have downloaded the vid you suggested and will give it a go tonight.

Off to get some iodine for the skin test tomorrow,we live near the coast so will try harvesting some seaweeds and include it into our vegetarian and seafood diet along with commercial iodine supplements.

Thanks again for your kind reply and hope your wife is feeling the Joie de vivre.

Kind Regards

mark1963
10-05-2010, 09:05 PM
Coast 2 Coast - 9/3/2010 - Thyroid Video

This video has been removed due to terms of use violation.
Any chance to reup it or possibly another link?

I have it but would only be able to u/l to somewhere like pirate bay. Or a file hosting site.

mark1963
10-05-2010, 09:07 PM
Google for this video "Iodine - The Most Misunderstood Nutrient" By Dr David Berstein
It states in the video that you do need more Iodine for Hyperthyroidism.

Okay - thanks for the info - I will watch the video tomorrow.

mark1963
10-05-2010, 09:09 PM
The official reason for people's thyoid tests is that iodine has been "plentiful" in the diet since the 1970's. The reality is the TSH test came in this decade and is alleged by some doctors to produce a 90% false negative rate.

Well in the UK the TSH is 10 before hypothyroidism is declared. Whereas in Sweden TSH is 2.5.

A massive difference my doctor could not explain when questioned.

mark1963
10-05-2010, 09:13 PM
So If I had two pieces of wholegrain toast (Dempster's Ancient grains) with about one table spoon of cheese wiz on each slice (around 450mg sodium total), how much iodine would I need to counter that?

It's not the sodium.

The bread was baked using flour that had bromide added to process it.

The bread was baked using "potable" water i.e. tap water - fluoride and chloride.

Cheese wiz? Do not know this product. It sounds processed.

Not only do the three elements block the manufacture of thyroid - they also take the place of iodine in the thyroid molecule. So you have plenty of ineffective thyroid molecule.

It's a double whammy.

mark1963
10-05-2010, 09:16 PM
Wow, guy's class thread, better than all the results I have had back from google searching a remedy for the thyroid agenda.

My partner has been taking Levothyrox 125mg for more than five years and since "waking up" I have been searching for a way for her to come off these,so far she has stoped taking statins and high B P tabs, now its time for the thyroxine to be binned, however all my searches have usually stated "life time meds" so stopping is a bit of a spooky prospect.

Many thanks for the OP highlighting this issue.

My question is:Has anyone has actually given up high dose thyroxine and found an alternative.

I have gone through all the pages in the thread but not yet used any links posted, so if this is already out there could someone past the link svp.


Thanks in advance:)

It's not standardised, but, it is the best in the UK. It comes from the US.

http://www.the-natural-choice.co.uk/Glandular-Support.html

bush doctor
10-05-2010, 09:19 PM
Excellent video though the sound is shite:( "you will need head phones" and a quiete room.

A must watch however, cheers for that dude

http://video.google.com/videoplay?docid=-2956337981044006757#

mark1963
10-05-2010, 09:38 PM
I have a link for the C2C show on thyroid. PM me.

pegcityevolve
11-05-2010, 07:48 PM
It's not the sodium.

The bread was baked using flour that had bromide added to process it.

The bread was baked using "potable" water i.e. tap water - fluoride and chloride.

Cheese wiz? Do not know this product. It sounds processed.

Not only do the three elements block the manufacture of thyroid - they also take the place of iodine in the thyroid molecule. So you have plenty of ineffective thyroid molecule.

It's a double whammy.Hmm, thank you. I thought sodium was a major thyroid inhibitor.

I have just found a out a new purpose for iodine! Warts, yes warts! I didn't even know what they were for a year until I went to the family doctor (I even googled a few times with no result) this week. He prescribed me some creme, although I decided to google natural cures for warts and iodine came up! :)

I will be applying topically everyday now.

mark1963
11-05-2010, 08:33 PM
Excellent video though the sound is shite:( "you will need head phones" and a quiete room.

A must watch however, cheers for that dude

http://video.google.com/videoplay?docid=-2956337981044006757#

I have just watched this video.

It is the most important video for everyone who is interested in their health. It is fantastic. :):)

mark1963
11-05-2010, 08:35 PM
Hmm, thank you. I thought sodium was a major thyroid inhibitor.

I have just found a out a new purpose for iodine! Warts, yes warts! I didn't even know what they were for a year until I went to the family doctor (I even googled a few times with no result) this week. He prescribed me some creme, although I decided to google natural cures for warts and iodine came up! :)

I will be applying topically everyday now.

Unprocessed natural salt is the only one that is good for you.

Warts - not heard that one - good luck :)

mark1963
12-05-2010, 08:41 AM
Found this online, looks interesting:

Brownstein


Salt: Your way to health (http://www.drbrownstein.com/singleproduct.asp?id=789)

Brownstein D
2005 Book

"Salt can facilitate the detoxification of various harmful chemicals from the body. A low-salt diet will lessen the body's ability to detoxify many chemicals. In addition, a low-salt diet will exacerbate the toxicity of the element bromine."

"Salt contains approximately 40% to 50% chloride. Chloride and bromine compete for reabsorption in the kidneys. When there is a decreased amount of chloride in the body (which is common in low-salt diets), less bromine will be excreted from the kidneys resulting in elevated bromine levels. Increasing the amount of chloride in the diet will allow the kidneys to release more bromine into the urine for excretion."

"When bromine is absorbed in the body, it tends to stay in the body for long periods of time. The "half-life" of a substance is referred to as the amount of time that 50% of the substance remains in the body after it has been absorbed into the body. A longer half-life would mean the substance would stay in the body for a longer time, versus a shorter half-life."

"Studies show that one-half the dose of bromine is still in the human body 12 days after ingestion. Therefore, the half-life of bromine is referred to as 12 days. In animals (rats), the half-life of bromine is 3 days. When rats are subjected to a low salt diet, the half-life of bromine is prolonged to 25 days--an 833% increase. This means that a toxic substance--bromine--stays in the body for a longer period of time in a low-salt environment.... A low-salt diet prolongs the elimination of bromine drastically. Only with adequate chloride levels, can the body eliminate bromine in any significant amounts. Salt is the body's major source of chloride."

"Bromine will bind in the body wherever iodine is bound.... When bromine binds to the thyroid gland, it is not only a toxic element but it can cause an iodine deficiency to occur. In conditions of iodine deficiency, bromine becomes more toxic."

"Bromine intake can adversely affect the accumulation of iodide in the thyroid and the skin.... A high bromine intake will result in iodide being eliminated from the thyroid gland and being replaced by bromine.... Ingesting of bromine can cause hypothyroidism. When there is iodine deficiency present, the toxicity of bromine is accelerated. Therefore, maintaining adequate iodine levels is essential when you live in an environment that provides exposure to bromine."

"There are simple ways of lowering the body levels of bromine. Primarily, we must stop ingesting bromine-containing food and medicines. That means eating organic food, grown without pesticides. Also, it means limiting bakery products that contain bromine."

"Once bromine is absorbed, it binds tightly to the iodine receptors in the body. Taking iodine can help to competitively inhibit the binding of bromine. Also, iodine supplementation allows the body to detoxify itself from bromine, while retaining iodine."

"Although the use of iodine will displace bromine from its binding sites, the kidneys will not excrete bromine without adequate amounts of chloride."

"My clinical experience has clearly shown that bromine will be excreted in larger amounts when the diet contains adequate amounts of salt."

"Low-salt diets will worsen the toxicity of bromine. An adequate salt intake will facilitate the excretion of the toxic element bromine from the kidneys. It is nearly impossible to optimize the detoxification pathways in the liver when the patient is on a low-salt diet."

==============

Brownstein likes "unrefined salt" and specifically talks about Celtic Sea Salt and Redmond's Salt. He explains in depth why he is so opposed to conventional "refined" salt.

In his case examples, I noticed two examples where he specified a particular amount of Celtic Salt: (1) 1/2 teaspoon per day and (2) 1/2 teaspoon twice a day. Otherwise, he really didn't talk about amounts.

The final brief chapter of the book discusses how the use of unrefined sea salt can help with various common ailments: e.g., Adrenal Exhaustion (a whole chapter on this one), Asthma, Circulation, Detox, Diabetes, Exercise (including muscle cramps after exercise), Fatigue, Acid Reflux, Insect Bites, Insomnia (one large pinch of salt with a small amount of warm water), Muscle Cramps (for night-time cramps, take one large pinch of salt at bedtime with a small amount of water), Osteoporosis, Phlegm, Poison Ivy.

blue2
12-05-2010, 01:47 PM
Well in the UK the TSH is 10 before hypothyroidism is declared. Whereas in Sweden TSH is 2.5.

A massive difference my doctor could not explain when questioned.

I can tell you Mark the reasoning is this America upped the ranges so that now even more people fail to get diagnosed...so good old UK copies this. I can tell you also that with a TSH of 7.6 i was in wheelchair-now with Erfa Armour, out. Also i have letter stating from DOH that the Reference ranges/intervals are there as a GUIDE ONLY. Doctors have lost the art of diagnosis of this cos they get hardly any training on it,and common sense is out of the window with them to want to learn outside of the Medical school.

Anything over 2.0 with TSH is hypo that is the proper cut off point but so is correct Clinical diagnosis of symptoms.

blue2
12-05-2010, 01:49 PM
It's not the sodium.

The bread was baked using flour that had bromide added to process it.

The bread was baked using "potable" water i.e. tap water - fluoride and chloride.

Cheese wiz? Do not know this product. It sounds processed.

Not only do the three elements block the manufacture of thyroid - they also take the place of iodine in the thyroid molecule. So you have plenty of ineffective thyroid molecule.

It's a double whammy.

Also Gluten blocks and the process of incorrect bakery methods in supermarkets with synthetics.It certainly stops pituitary from producing it growth hormone.

blue2
12-05-2010, 01:52 PM
It's not standardised, but, it is the best in the UK. It comes from the US.

http://www.the-natural-choice.co.uk/Glandular-Support.html


Bush Doctor yes Armourthyroid,my son was damaged by L thyroxine. It doesn't work for most and like HRT is synthetic as you know-any others i've used seem not to work as well.

mark1963
13-05-2010, 12:32 PM
Most people not only have low thyroid but also low adrenal function. The two are closely linked:

The following table outlines the key differences in the signs and symptoms between adrenal fatigue and hypothyroidism.




Characteristics Adrenal Fatigue Hypothyroidism Body Measurements Weight Early: gain weight; severe - cannot gain weight Generalized weight gain Body Temp 97.8 or lower Low 90s to 98.6 Temp regulation fluctuating and exaggerated Steady Mental Function Mental Function Brain Fog Slow thinking Depression Sometimes Frequent

Physical Looks Eyebrows Full sparse outer 1/3 Hair Thin, sparse on extremities Coarse and sparse Hair loss Sometimes Common Nails Thin, brittle Normal to thick Peri-orbital Tissue Sunken Puffy Skin Thin Normal Skin tone Dry Oily or moist Internal feeling Ligaments Flexibility Good Poor Fluid retention No Yes Pain Headache, muscular, migraines Joints, muscles Reactivity Heightened and hyper-reactive Hypo-reactive Medical condition History of Infections Common Occasional Chronic Fatigue Yes Yes Orthostatic Hypotension Frequent No Blood Sugar Tendency toward hypoglycemia Normal to hyperglycemia Heart Palpitation Frequent No GI function Irritable or hyperactive Constipation and hypoactive Mal absorption Yes No Sensitive to Medications Frequent Normal Personality Traits Personality Type Type A Type A or B Obsessive Compulsive Frequent Mixed Habits Sleep Pattern Wake up 2-4 am Sleepy Temperature Tolerance Intolerance to Cold Intolerance to Heat Food Craving Craving for sweet and salty Craving for Fats

70% of people taking thyroid replacement medications continue to complain of symptoms. It is not unusual to have concurrent presenting symptoms of both low adrenal and low thyroid functions. Conventional medicine tends to miss this due to ignorance on adrenal fatigue. Those who were diagnosed as hypothyroid after a traumatic and stressful event such as pregnancy, accident, infection or an emotional trauma such as divorce or death of a loved one, should be specially on the alert if thyroid replacement alone is not helping.


Those who have poor body temperature regulation are more prone to have mixed presentation. This group of people may present a steady low body temperature from low 90's to a little below 98.6F. They may also present a slight exaggerated response in body temperature as compared to the environmental temperature as characterized by a sensation of feeling hot when it is warm, and cold when it is cool outside.


Low Thyroid Function Due to Adrenal Fatigue


Hypothyroidism can be primary or secondary. Primary hypothyroidism can easily be cured with administration of thyroid replacement therapy. If hypothyroid symptoms such as low body temperature, fatigue, dry skin and weight gain persist despite thyroid replacement therapy regardless of laboratory values, one must look elsewhere for the cause of the low thyroid function.


Secondary hypothyroidism is low thyroid function caused by malfunction of another organ system. One of the most frequently overlooked causes is adrenal fatigue. Adrenal fatigue is perhaps the most common cause of secondary low thyroid function, both clinically and sub-clinically. Low adrenal function often leads to low thyroid function, classically evidenced by high levels of thyroid binding globulin (TBG), low free T4, low free T3, high TSH, slow ankle reflex and low body temperature. Few physicians are trained to detect this connection. Fortunately, secondary hypothyroidism can be reversed when the underlying root problem (such as adrenal fatigue) is resolved.


When the adrenals are exhausted, the ability of the adrenals to handle the stress associated with normal bodily functions and energy requirements is often compromised. To enhance survival, the adrenals force a down-regulation of energy production. In other words, the body is being metabolic down-regulated to slow down in order to conserve energy as the body needs to rest. Lower energy output reduces the workload of the body. In times of stress, this is exactly what the body wants. As the thyroid down-regulates, production of thyroid hormones T4 and T3 is reduced. The down-regulation also leads to an increase in thyroid binding globulin (TBG) level. As a result of increased TBG, more thyroid hormones are bounded on a relative basis and less is released to the body cells where they work. This leads to reduced free T4 and free T3 levels in the blood if measured (while total T3 and T4 levels may be normal). In this well orchestrated systemic down-regulation to enhance survival, the body also shunts some of the the available T4 towards the production of the inactive reverse T3 (rT3) which acts as a braking system and opposes the function of T3. This reduction in T3 combined with an increase in rT3 may persist even after the stress has passed and cortisol levels have returned to normal. Furthermore, rT3 itself may also inhibit the conversion of T4 to T3 and may perpetuate the production of the inactive rT3. If the proportion of rT3 dominates, then it will antagonize T3 and possibly leading to a state called rT3 dominance. This results in hypothyroid symptoms despite sufficient circulating levels of T4 and T3. The body therefore has multiple pathways to down-regulate energy production to enhance survival under the direction of the adrenal glands.


In such cases, laboratory test results of T4 and T3 may be normal and classic symptoms of hypothyroid are evident with persistent low body temperature and slow ankle reflex. Alternatively, laboratory test results of free T4 and free T3 may be low while the TSH level is normal or high. In both scenarios, thyroid replacement with T4 and T3 without first considering adrenal fortification is a common mistake and often leads to a worsening state of adrenal fatigue over time. The reason is simple. Thyroid replacements tend to increase metabolic function and energy output.



Raising the basal metabolic rate is akin to putting all systems of the body into overdrive at a time when the body is trying to rest by down-regulation through the many mechanisms described above. The body's survival mechanism is designed to achieve a reduction of and not the increase in the levels of T4 and T3. What the body wants (to slow down) and what the medications are designed to do (to speed up) is diametrically opposed to one another.

Administering thyroid medication in cases of advanced adrenal fatigue without concurrent attention to adrenal recovery will often fail. In many cases, it is analogous to pouring oil onto a fire. An already weak adrenal system in a low energy state may not be able to carry the burden of extra energy output. What the adrenals need is rest, not extra work. Thyroid medication administered under such circumstances may lead to a temporary relief of symptoms and a slight boost in energy at first.



However, this is often short lived. Ultimately, fatigue returns, as the thyroid medication further weakens the pre-existing adrenal fatigue condition and often precipitates an adrenal crisis. The overall fatigue level continues to increase well beyond what the medication is trying to combat. Only by increasing the thyroid medication dosage or switching to more powerful thyroid drugs can the worsening fatigue be avoided.


Let us look at this in more detail clinically. Remember that one of the most common presenting complaints to a physician is fatigue. Routine laboratory tests often show higher than normal TSH level. Physicians are more apt to make the diagnosis of hypothyroidism and start the administration of thyroid medications. While laboratory levels of T4 , T3 and TSH may appear improved once the thyroid replacement medication has been administered, the patient clinically continues to show lack of significant improvement and often clinically his condition will get worse over time. As mentioned earlier, 70% of those who are diagnosed with hypothyroidism and are treated, continues to complain of unresolved symptoms with repeat visits to physician's office. Well intentioned physicians can be misled by the "improving" laboratory test results as being "on the right track" and not attuned to possible concurrent underlying adrenal dysfunction that remains to be the main culprit. Unless FT4, FT3, and rT3 values are factored into the clinical picture, the true cellular delivery of thyroid medication is not known. They body's cry for help by forcing a persistent low body temperature is often not attended to. The unsuspecting physician may continue to increase thyroid medication dosage in an attempt to relieve the unpleasant and unresolved hypothyroid symptoms such as fatigue.This approach seldom works long term as mentioned earlier. It unknowingly subjects the patient to the worsening of his overall symptoms which are triggered by the thyroid medication's un-intended negative effects on the adrenal glands, This overshadows the benefit such medication may have on the thyroid glands. As long as the adrenals are still functioning, the body will continue to down-regulate as much as it can, blunting the body's response to the thyroid medication. Over time, despite improving or stabilizing T4, T3, and TSH levels that may be considered within normal range, the patient still needs an ever larger dose of medication clinically in order to keep his symptoms at bay. The patient continues with unresolved symptoms with low body temperature that refuses to normalize while the classic signs of hypothyroidism persist despite medication.


Those who have hypothyroidism but fail to improve with thyroid replacement medication should therefore always investigate adrenal fatigue as a possible etiology for their thyroid problem. Normalization of the adrenal function in such cases is the key and it often leads to spontaneous resolution of the hypothyroid symptoms. The faster the sufferer of adrenal fatigue recovers, the faster the symptoms of hypothyroidism will be resolved. This can happen in a matter of weeks.



Those who are on thyroid replacement will invariably find that less medication is needed as their adrenal function normalizes. In fact, one can become overmedicated and thus run the risk of hyperthyroidism if one's thyroid medication is not reduced as the adrenal fatigue condition improves. This is an important yardstick and gauge of improvement of one's adrenal function. The credit goes to the adrenal glands and not the thyroid gland. As the adrenals improve, the need for down-regulation subsides and thyroid function suppression is lifted, leading to normalization of the thyroid function. For those who pursue thyroid recovery by way of first fortifying the adrenals, it comes as no surprise to see the body frequently regaining energy without an increase in thyroid medication after years of relying on such replacement. In fact, thyroid replacement may not be necessary and can be tapered off totally over time as the adrenal function normalizes.


It is important to note that laboratory test results of thyroid function during this adrenal focused thyroid recovery strategy, will continue to show low thyroid function for some time due to a lagging effect. TSH level may continue to be high and out of normal range, while free T3 and free T4 levels will continue to be low. This lagging effect can last for months.



However, as the adrenals recover, the patient clinically will improve, with rising body temperature back to normal, increased energy, reduced need for thyroid medications and improved weight management. Conventional physicians who are not trained to recognize this adrenal-thyroid connection are pleasantly surprised clinically to see the patient improving despite "abnormal" laboratory studies, but not knowing why. The key, of course, lies in the improved adrenal function.


Weak adrenals and thyroid, when present concurrently and not attended to properly, start an adverse reinforcing vicious downward spiral of adrenal dysfunction. Those requiring an ever increasing dose of thyroid medication to keep fatigue away may end up becoming dependent not only on the heavy dose of strong thyroid medication, but have to suffer the side-effect symptoms of toxic thyroid (such as heart palpitation) as medication dosage is being increased. They feel "wired and tired" as mentioned earlier, with constant fatigue, unable to fall asleep and feeling anxious throughout the day. Internally, their adrenals continue to weaken as the stimulatory properties of thyroid medication are negated by the continued overwhelming rejection of the adrenal glands, resulting in a body that continues to be down-regulated to conserve energy. This is the worse of both worlds and it happens too frequently and often goes unnoticed. Clinicians and patients alike are baffled by what appears to be clinical contradictions - improving laboratory TSH levels (as a result of increased medications) or high TSH levels that refuse to come down, rising need of thyroid medication to maintain energy and worsening symptoms of adrenal fatigue with continued low basal body temperature, metabolic imbalances, weight gain and increased sluggishness.


For detailed discussion, read article called "Ovarian Adrenal Thyroid Axis Imbalance" at www.DrLam.com (http://www.DrLam.com)


http://www.drlam.com/articles/adrenalfatiguevshypothyroidism.asp

bush doctor
13-05-2010, 03:16 PM
Bush Doctor yes Armourthyroid,my son was damaged by L thyroxine. It doesn't work for most and like HRT is synthetic as you know-any others i've used seem not to work as well.

Thanks blue2 will check it out:)

freedom1st
13-05-2010, 05:04 PM
Most people not only have low thyroid but also low adrenal function. The two are closely linked:

Excellent article. Does the adrenal function have anything to do with cortisol levels?

mark1963
13-05-2010, 06:26 PM
Excellent article. Does the adrenal function have anything to do with cortisol levels?

Yes it does:

http://www.stopthethyroidmadness.com/adrenal-info/symptoms-low-cortisol/

Experienced by patients while rai­sing natu­ral desic­ca­ted thy­roid, and which revea­led an adre­nal pro­blem, whether too high or too low cor­ti­sol. These symp­toms occu­rred at low doses of desic­ca­ted thy­roid, or wai­ted until the patient got as high as 3 grains and more. They are in no par­ti­cu­lar order, and you can have some and not others:

con­ti­nuing hypo symp­toms with a high free T3
shaky hands; shakiness
diarrhea
bad palps
fee­ling of panic
weakness
ina­bi­lity to handle stress
ina­bi­lity to handle inte­rac­tions with others
ina­bi­lity to focus
rage or sud­den angry outbursts
emo­tio­nally hyper sensitive
overreacting
highly defensive
fee­ling para­noid about peo­ple or things
exa­cer­ba­ted reac­tions to daily stress
no patience
easily irritated
mild to severe hypogly­ce­mic episodes
nau­sea in the face of stress
taking days to reco­ver from even minor stress
taking days to reco­ver from a den­tal visit
flu-like symptoms
headache
all over body ache
super-sensitive skin
extreme fatigue
scalp ache
hyper feeling
jittery
clumsy (drop things, bump into things)
confusion
sud­denly feel extre­mely hungry
low back pain
dull
cloud-filled head (hap­pens when this patient is due for a next cor­ti­sol dose)
jumpiness
muscle weakness
“air hunger”
dizziness
light headedness
motion sickness
cof­fee put­ting patient to sleep
vomi­ting even run­ning up the sligh­test incline
almost pas­sing out every time patient gets up
dark circ­les under my eyes
waking up in the middle of the night for seve­ral hours
dif­fi­culty falling asleep
fre­quent urination
IBS symptoms
wor­se­ning allergies

If you have any of the above, it is highly recom­men­ded that you con­firm slug­gish adre­nals with Dis­co­very Steps One and Two found on the Adrenal-info page or Chap­ter Five in the STTM book with more in the list, and doing the 24 hour adre­nal saliva test, which we have found to give far more impor­tant infor­ma­tion than a one-time blood test or a urine test. The ACTH STIM may be good to detect if you have a pitui­tary pro­blem, but may fail you to detect the kind of adre­nal fati­gue that many hypothy­roid patients have. It’s also recom­men­ded that you try to find a doc­tor (http://www.stopthethyroidmadness.com/how-to-find-a-good-doc/) who will be open min­ded about adre­nal treatment.

mark1963
13-05-2010, 06:34 PM
Just as important is Aldosterone, another adrenal hormone:

http://www.stopthethyroidmadness.com/aldosterone/


Low cor­ti­sol due to worn out adre­nals is com­mon among a large body of hypothy­roid patients, and it can be neces­sary to sup­ple­ment with cor­ti­sol. But along with cor­ti­sol, there’s another adre­nal hor­mone that you may need to inves­ti­gate: aldos­te­rone.

The outer cor­tex of your Adre­nals pro­du­ces the hor­mo­nes cor­ti­sol, aldos­te­rone, tes­tos­te­rone, DHEA, DHEAS, andros­te­ne­dione and estro­gens. And both cor­ti­sol (a glu­co­cor­ti­coid) and aldos­te­rone (a mine­ral­cor­ti­coid) are vital and impor­tant pla­yers in your health and well-being. When your adre­nals become fati­gued, they don’t make enough cor­ti­sol. And though low cor­ti­sol does not always equal low aldos­te­rone, there may be a sig­ni­fi­cant body of thy­roid patients who with their low cor­ti­sol have low aldos­te­rone!

WHAT IS ALDOSTERONE? Aldos­te­rone is the prin­ci­pal of a group of mine­ra­lo­cor­ti­coids. It helps regu­late levels of sodium and potas­sium in your body – i.e. it helps you retain nee­ded salt, which in turn helps con­trol your blood pres­sure, the dis­tri­bu­tion of fluids in the body, and the balance of elec­troly­tes in your blood.

WHAT HAPPENS IF ALDOSTERONE GETS TOO HIGH OR LOW? When aldos­te­rone gets too high, your blood pres­sure also gets too high and your potas­sium levels become too low. You can have muscle cramps, muscle weak­ness, and numb­ness or tin­gling in your extremities.

But when it gets too low, which can be com­mon in patients with cor­ti­sol defi­ciency, your kid­neys will exc­rete too much salt, and it leads to low blood pres­sure; low blood volume; a high pulse and/or pal­pi­ta­tions, diz­zi­ness and or lighthea­ded­ness when you stand; fati­gue; and a cra­ving for salt. Symp­toms of low aldos­te­rone can also inc­lude fre­quent uri­na­tion, swea­ting, and a fee­ling of thirst, besi­des the cra­ving of salt.

Another clue that your aldos­te­rone may be too low is being on high amounts of HC, such as 30 – 40 mg, and not get­ting good results.

WHAT ROLE DOES SALT PLAY?

Being on a salt-restricted diet only makes low aldos­te­rone levels worse. Adding salt, but spe­ci­fi­cally sea salt, can be bene­fi­cial, and is in fact recom­men­ded to all thy­roid patients with low aldos­te­rone. Sea salt con­tains impor­tant trace mine­rals, whe­reas they are mostly remo­ved from table salt. Recom­men­ded amounts daily are 1/4 to 1/2 tsp in water twice a day…and some go higher, if nee­ded. If you end up nee­ding a great deal more salt, you might have to con­si­der Flo­ri­nef, men­tio­ned below.

Bob, a patient with exce­llent know­ledge of low aldos­te­rone, sta­tes: Peo­ple with low aldos­te­rone suf­fe­rer from “Salt Was­ting”, a medi­cal term desc­ri­bing sodium lea­ving the body. When sodium is exc­re­ted it takes water with it, cau­sing fre­quent uri­na­tion and dehy­dra­tion. The body will strug­gle to main­tain a pro­per balance of sodium and potas­sium in the blood — and these levels often appear nor­mal on blood tests. But within the cells of the body, impro­per balance of these mine­rals can lead to fati­gue, and is the rea­son why the pupils will fluc­tuate when per­for­ming the “flash­light test”.

Per­sons with low levels of aldos­te­rone crave salt. If they will take a mini­mum of 1/2 teas­poon of Sea Salt daily their symp­toms improve. The “Salt Was­ting” still occurs, but the symp­toms of impro­per elec­trolyte balance will often improve, and they will feel more energy.”

Addi­tio­nally, when the adre­nals are not making aldos­te­rone, a hor­mone from your kid­neys inc­rease – called renin. If the renin is low, you could have a pitui­tary pro­blem.

HOW DO I TEST FOR ALDOSTERONE?

Tes­ting for aldos­te­rone will be either a 24 hour urine test or a blood test – the lat­ter which is more highly recom­men­ded to pur­sue with your doc­tor. It may also be impor­tant to avoid all salt for 24 hours before the test. It’s worthy to note that aldos­te­rone levels can be dou­bled if you are preg­nant, and are nor­mally a little higher in chil­dren than in adults. For a com­plete pic­ture, ask your doc­tor to inc­lude your renin for a com­plete pic­ture, as well as sodium and potas­sium. See a tes­ting faci­lity without a presc­rip­tion below.
You can also try a self-test – the pupil test, lis­ted in Dis­co­very Step Two on the Adre­nal page (http://www.stopthethyroidmadness.com/adrenal-info/).

IMPORTANT NOTE FOR WOMEN: it is strongly recom­men­ded to test your aldos­te­rone in the first week of your mens­trual cycle and not later. Just as in preg­nancy, higher pro­ges­te­rone levels espe­cially around mid-cycle and later can drive your aldos­te­rone up, since aldos­te­rone is made from progesterone.

WHAT MEDICATION DO I TAKE IF SEA SALT ISN’T ENOUGH TO TREAT MY LOW ALDOSTERONE?

The treat­ment of choice is flu­dro­cor­ti­sone ace­tate with the brand name Flo­ri­nef. Chris, a pitui­tary patient who has wor­ked with other patients for years, recom­mends that in wor­king with your doc­tor, patients start with a quar­ter pill (25 mcg or .025 mg) and raise by that amount every 5 to 7 days until you get to 100 mcg. rather than star­ting out on 100 mcg. He sta­tes that you should notice it’s effects in 2 to 4 weeks, or 1 week if you go straight to 100 (the lat­ter which cau­ses pro­blems in some patients). Check with your doc­tor for further infor­ma­tion. It’s also impor­tant to note that some patients who are already on HC (cor­ti­sol) may have to lower it to com­pen­sate for the glu­co­cor­ti­coid potency of Flo­ri­nef. It’s also recom­men­ded to take your Flo­ri­nef with sea salt mixed in water.

To read more, check out Bob’s full sticky here (http://www.stopthethyroidmadness.com/community/viewtopic.php?t=8562). From there, you can follow his links. And here’s his sticky tit­led Adre­nal Hor­mo­nes: tes­ting and Treat­ment (http://www.stopthethyroidmadness.com/community/viewtopic.php?t=8562), which sums it all up well.

WHY DO I NEED BOTH FLORINEF AND CORTEF SINCE BOTH ARE STEROIDS?

Flo­ri­nef (flu­dro­cor­ti­sone) and Cor­tef (hydro­cor­ti­sone) are both synthe­tic ste­roids. But Flo­ri­nef bet­ter imi­ta­tes what Aldos­te­rone does, and Cor­tef bet­ter imi­ta­tes what cor­ti­sol does.
Flo­ri­nef has grea­ter mine­ral­cor­ti­coid acti­vity, just like Aldos­te­rone does.
Cor­tef has grea­ter glu­co­cor­ti­coid acti­vity, just like Cor­ti­sol does.

To have mine­ral­cor­ti­coid acti­vity means it con­trols elec­trolyte and water levels, mainly by pro­mo­ting sodium reten­tion in the kid­ney. (yours is low, thus the rea­son you uri­nate a lot, and lose salt because of that.).
To have glu­co­cor­ti­coid acti­vity means it con­trols car­bohy­drate, fat and pro­tein meta­bo­lism and is anti-inflammatory. It allows thy­roid hor­mo­nes to get to your cells.

So you can see that Cor­tef won’t help you retain salt, just as Flo­ri­nef won’t help thy­roid hor­mo­nes get to your cells.

SUCCESS STORIES:

TED: I star­ted taking Flo­ri­nef (100ug) two weeks ago, before kno­wing the dosing from Chris (i.e. not to start on 100ug). Never had a pro­blem, and felt the dif­fe­rence the first day. All posi­tive. Going off salt to take the aldos­te­rone test isn’t an option for me. I’d be in a coma long before the test date! I’m now on 40 mg Cor­tef, 120mg Armour, 100ug Flo­ri­nef and fee­ling far bet­ter than I’ve felt in many years. I’m sure I’ll stum­ble along the way as I inc­rease the Armour, but I think I’m pre­pa­red for that. My cons­tant “back­ground” hea­daches have vir­tually disappeared.…..incredible!!!

MICHELLE: I have been on .1 mgs flo­ri­nef for about 2 months now and what a dif­fe­rence. Before Flo­ri­nef, I would drink and drink water and still was so puffy. And talk about being dehy­dra­ted! I would wake in the mor­ning dying of thirst. I was cons­tantly breath­less, and my heart­trate was over 100 res­ting. Since being on Flo­ri­nef, I notice inc­rea­sed energy towards the end of the day. I’m not so dehy­dra­ted and I handle heat alot bet­ter. I also don’t feel so out of breath all the time. My pulse is now is 75 – 80. I don’t need to take as much salt, since I think I get enough from my foods. I do notice if it is really hot out and I am swea­ting alot, I might do 1/4 tsp of sea salt and I am ok. For me I know I am taking too much sea salt when my legs cramp.

margaretr
13-05-2010, 08:12 PM
I am grateful for all the info provided here.
I have ordered both dulce seaweed and Lugols solution.
I have been self treating CFS for 3 years now - improved a lot with nutritional supplements, organic food, MMS, and filtered water.
I hope this will be the last step in a long search for health.

bush doctor
13-05-2010, 08:15 PM
Right peeps I'v finally started to get a handle on this issue,thanks to all that have guided me thus far,I have still got a newbie question that does not seem to have been raised, and that is "nodules" do these have anything to do with being scripted T4 meds.

After three years on T4 my partners last tsh reading was 0.68 :eek:

Here in France the normal range is 0.35 to 4.94

Still many hypo symtoms so defo to the Dr's for a chat:D

I have just ordered some Lugols @ 7% from amazon!!!

Thanks guys....:)

mark1963
13-05-2010, 08:36 PM
Right peeps I'v finally started to get a handle on this issue,thanks to all that have guided me thus far,I have still got a newbie question that does not seem to have been raised, and that is "nodules" do these have anything to do with being scripted T4 meds.

After three years on T4 my partners last tsh reading was 0.68 :eek:

Here in France the normal range is 0.35 to 4.94

Still many hypo symtoms so defo to the Dr's for a chat:D

I have just ordered some Lugols @ 7% from amazon!!!

Thanks guys....:)

T4, T3 et al will do nothing for iodine deficiency. Iodine is needed everywhere in the body and is highly alkalising and removes heavy metals and other halides form the body. Your partner probably will not be right ever until the iodine is corrected.

If you watch the video: Iodine - The Most Misunderstood Nutrient a page or so back you will find that Dr Brownstein treated nodules with iodine very successfully (I believe). I am sure it was that video but, sometimes I forget. :o

Anyway, that video is the best video on iodine ever. Not only that he talks about the thyroid connection.

mark1963
13-05-2010, 08:40 PM
I am grateful for all the info provided here.
I have ordered both dulce seaweed and Lugols solution.
I have been self treating CFS for 3 years now - improved a lot with nutritional supplements, organic food, MMS, and filtered water.
I hope this will be the last step in a long search for health.

CFS has been treated with great success by Dr's and nutritionists using these nutrients.

Good luck. :)

blue2
14-05-2010, 12:24 PM
Many thanks for that great info. I think I will try the iodine and push for the armour although will probably have to fund it myself. Do you know of any good sites I could buy it from?

PM me about info for Armour but have you had any tests like Adrenal Saliva and full thyroid profiling outside of NHS where it might be 'read' properly, what symptoms do you have?:) sorry i did not see this but been busy. There is a Dr Mancourani i see on Thyroid Patient Advocacy as Advisor she is into Functional Medicine like it should be and was disenchanted with NHS,i wonder why!

blue2
14-05-2010, 12:27 PM
CFS has been treated with great success by Dr's and nutritionists using these nutrients.

Good luck. :)

It depends what you mean by CFS cos if it is from ME then it's doubtful diet and Nutritionists can make huge long lasting success cos there are dysfunctions within cells and sulphur metabolism and other issues. There is metabolic and DNA damage.

mark1963
14-05-2010, 01:10 PM
It depends what you mean by CFS cos if it is from ME then it's doubtful diet and Nutritionists can make huge long lasting success cos there are dysfunctions within cells and sulphur metabolism and other issues. There is metabolic and DNA damage.

There is damage and it is progressive, but, it has been arrested - has it not?

mark1963
14-05-2010, 01:22 PM
Some information on Chronic Fatigue Syndrome:

CFS or FMS? Breast Cancer or Cysts? Iodine May Help

Dear Readers,

Iodine deficiency used to be an epidemic in the U.S. (until salt was added to iodine and wheat). It is now coming back — big time! Fortunately, it is an easy to prevent problem, and addressing it can help you feel much better.

Unfortunately, the issue of iodine deficiency will be growing in importance over the coming decade. This is occurring for a number of reasons. In fact, iodine intake has dropped by 50% from 1971 to 2001 and continues to drop. This causes not only an underactive thyroid, but likely increases the risk of breast cysts and cancer dramatically (the U.S. has 3 times the incidence of breast cancer as Japan, where iodine consumption is higher).
Iodine deficiency may also contribute to fatigue and CFS, and simply supplementing for 90 days with 1 bottle of iodine (called Iodoral (http://www.endfatigue.com/store/products/supplements/ioderol-iodine/) 1 a day) can tell you if you need it — and may help a lot!

Bottom Line? For those with CFS & FMS, unexplained fatigue, or breast symptoms or cancer, it is reasonable to take a high dose iodine supplement (Iodoral (http://www.endfatigue.com/store/products/supplements/ioderol-iodine/)) 1 a day for 1 bottle (90 days). After this, if you feel much better you can stay on it or stop it and see if you still need it. You may find that one bottle is enough to "fill your tank" and correct any deficiencies, as the Energy Revitalization System (http://www.endfatigue.com/store/products/supplements/berry-splash/) vitamin powder supplies 150 mcg a day (the full RDA) for maintenance. For those with breast cancer, I would add the one Iodoral a day long term and consider working with a holistic practitioner to take 5 a day while waiting for the research to be done. For breast cancer I would also add vitamin D 4,000 units a day, Coenzyme Q10 (http://www.endfatigue.com/store/products/supplements/coenzyme-q10-chewabl/) at 200-400 mg a day, and the vitamin powder.

The issue of recurring iodine deficiency is fascinating, with major health implications. Fortunately, it is easy to both treat and prevent.


Do the basal metabolic temperature tests. It's probable you have a deficiency in iodine (96-98% do) and do your research as to how much you require. Listen to yourself.

mark1963
14-05-2010, 01:28 PM
Here's a great page on CFS:

http://www.chronicfatiguetreatments.com/forums/chronic-fatigue-syndrome-f1/topic1313.html

A taster:

Curezone (http://www.chronicfatiguetreatments.com/forums/chronic-fatigue-syndrome-f1/topic1313.html#p6062)

http://www.chronicfatiguetreatments.com/forums/styles/cfatiguenew/imageset/icon_post_target.gif (http://www.chronicfatiguetreatments.com/forums/chronic-fatigue-syndrome-f1/topic1313.html#p6062)by kenvj (http://www.chronicfatiguetreatments.com/forums/kenvj-u268/) » Thu Feb 25, 2010 10:36 pm
If anyone else decides to go the Iodine way you also want to take Magnesium, Vitamin C upto 3 grams (yes grams) a day and Selenium (2 Brazil Nuts a day).
Also I recommend The Iodine Supplementation by VWT Team Forum on Curezone, there you will find people taking upto 200 mg of Iodine/Potassium Iodide a day and as fit as a fiddle.
http://curezone.com/forums/f.asp?f=815

Whilst on this wonderful website Curezone visit the "Water Cure", this will make sure your body's cells work properly and use the iodine correctly as well as making you healthy in all kinds of other ways. I am taking this very seriously. The doesn't have to be Ocean Salt - it can be other unrefined salts such as Himalayan Salt.
http://curezone.com/foods/watercure.asp

I am 76 years old and might not have many years left so I have taken a vow that I will beat this dashed fatigue illness before I have to go, one way or another. For me that means mainly the Thyroid which has a direct influence on the Adrenals and through that system onto the Sympathetic Nervous System and then of course the Amygdala.
Happy Hunting!

freedom1st
14-05-2010, 01:37 PM
Yes it does:

http://www.stopthethyroidmadness.com/adrenal-info/symptoms-low-cortisol/

Thanks again mark - you're a star!

I will be getting my cortisols checked soon and will also ask them to check my aldosterone levels. The symptoms listed to apply to me in the main.
Also, your following post explains my craving for salt and my high pulse rate. You're info has been invaluable.
Next appointment with consultant is in June so will ask about the dessicated thyroid but not hopeful I'll get it on prescription. If not I'll have to source elsewhere.
The consultant also said they could prescribe me T3 to go along with the T4 but with the latter being reduced due to added T3. Of course this may not be beneficial and so I will probably stop taking the T4 and T3 and just go for the natural thyroid.
Haven't yet got the iodine but will purchase this shortly.
I'm now hopeful I can get my life back.:)

gaias child
14-05-2010, 01:37 PM
There is damage and it is progressive, but, it has been arrested - has it not?

Mitochondrial failure has been found in over 90% of people with ME/CFS. I've got normal thyroid ie TSH 1.5 but mitochondrial failure and oxidiative phosphorylation problems ie metabolic probs, these problems are usually caused by chemical poisoning, in my case pharmaceutical poisoning.

Vaccine damaged children often have mitochondrial problems.

mercury poisoning disrupts the transsulfurration metabolic pathway, reducing the body's natural production of glutathione. glutathione is essential.

It is much more complex that just treating the thyroid with iodine. Thyroid probs may be primary or secondary. Everyone is an individual too with different needs

.

http://drmyhill.co.uk/wiki/CFS_-_The_Central_Cause:_Mitochondrial_Failure

freedom1st
14-05-2010, 02:05 PM
PM me about info for Armour but have you had any tests like Adrenal Saliva and full thyroid profiling outside of NHS where it might be 'read' properly, what symptoms do you have?:) sorry i did not see this but been busy. There is a Dr Mancourani i see on Thyroid Patient Advocacy as Advisor she is into Functional Medicine like it should be and was disenchanted with NHS,i wonder why!

Hi blue,
Thanks for getting back to me. I have not had those tests nor any outside of the NHS. If you know where I can get these I'd appreciate the info.
My symptoms are fatigue, anxiety, depression, not wanting to do ANYTHING, irritability, lack of clear thinking, problems with aching legs (may be something separate, eg. varicose viens from pregnancy), craving for salt, high pulse rate, and probably more that I can't think of right now.
I'll PM you for Armour.
Thanks for your help.

mark1963
14-05-2010, 02:46 PM
Mitochondrial failure has been found in over 90% of people with ME/CFS. I've got normal thyroid ie TSH 1.5 but mitochondrial failure and oxidiative phosphorylation problems ie metabolic probs, these problems are usually caused by chemical poisoning, in my case pharmaceutical poisoning.

Vaccine damaged children often have mitochondrial problems.

mercury poisoning disrupts the transsulfurration metabolic pathway, reducing the body's natural production of glutathione. glutathione is essential.

It is much more complex that just treating the thyroid with iodine. Thyroid probs may be primary or secondary. Everyone is an individual too with different needs

.

http://drmyhill.co.uk/wiki/CFS_-_The_Central_Cause:_Mitochondrial_Failure

Look at the video. Iodine - The Most Misunderstood Nutrient - Iodine is needed by every cell in the body. 98.3% of people are iodine deficient. Iodine is only stored 50mg by the thyroid and 1500mg by the body.

How different do we have to be?

All disease (or 98.3%) will be because of the root cause - iodine deficiency.

Mercury is cleared very effectively by iodine. It is the best de-toxifier out there. Also the best alkaline-iser. You may have to go high for a while with it though. Do not worry it is cleared very effectively by the body - as long as you are not taking teaspoons of the stuff.

Get back to basics - look at the video.

Everything else is on top of the iodine deficiency - it's secondary. The iodine deficiency is the primary in most cases.

lw71
14-05-2010, 06:57 PM
http://www.chemist.net/Pharmacy/medicine-pain-relief-body-pains-suspensions/care/care-iodine-tincture-bp-pd-2550.html

Any good ?

That one says 'for external use only' - not entirely sure what the difference is but better safe than sorry ! I got some Lugol's 3%.

mark1963
14-05-2010, 07:39 PM
That one says 'for external use only' - not entirely sure what the difference is but better safe than sorry ! I got some Lugol's 3%.

The ratio is out - should be iodine 1/iodide 2.

It contains alcohol, but, other than that it looks okay.

This is not advice.

madgoone
14-05-2010, 09:22 PM
http://www.healthleadsuk.com/supplements/liquid-concentrates-solutions-etc/lugols-iodine-solution-12/lugols-iodine-solution-12-100ml.html


this is the site i got mine from delivered next day also got selinium and all there stuff have no additives etc all manufactured in house.

2013
14-05-2010, 10:18 PM
Doing 6 drops a day now for a while .I have noticed i still get tired in the evening but i am wide awake at 7 am and although i dont get up then i feel i could totally refreshed , sleep seems better not as heavy as normal . will see how i go and maybe increase dose slightly :D

mark1963
16-05-2010, 03:40 PM
Doing 6 drops a day now for a while .I have noticed i still get tired in the evening but i am wide awake at 7 am and although i dont get up then i feel i could totally refreshed , sleep seems better not as heavy as normal . will see how i go and maybe increase dose slightly :D

It's good that you wake up feeling refreshed now. It's having an affect. :)

dalem
16-05-2010, 04:49 PM
I realise that most of the planet are probably Iodine Deficient and that Lugol's is the best choice to correct this but how do members who use it prefer to take it? Do you put the drops in a glass of water or some other way.

mark1963
16-05-2010, 06:42 PM
I realise that most of the planet are probably Iodine Deficient and that Lugol's is the best choice to correct this but how do members who use it prefer to take it? Do you put the drops in a glass of water or some other way.

Most take it on an empty stomach about 1/2 hour before food in the mornings. You could add a teaspoon of apple cider vinegar to it - apparently it makes it uptake better.

Magnascent Iodine is better absorbed by the body, but, is more expensive.

gaias child
17-05-2010, 03:32 PM
Look at the video. Iodine - The Most Misunderstood Nutrient - Iodine is needed by every cell in the body. 98.3% of people are iodine deficient. Iodine is only stored 50mg by the thyroid and 1500mg by the body.

How different do we have to be?

All disease (or 98.3%) will be because of the root cause - iodine deficiency.

Mercury is cleared very effectively by iodine. It is the best de-toxifier out there. Also the best alkaline-iser. You may have to go high for a while with it though. Do not worry it is cleared very effectively by the body - as long as you are not taking teaspoons of the stuff.

Get back to basics - look at the video.

Everything else is on top of the iodine deficiency - it's secondary. The iodine deficiency is the primary in most cases.

Aren't you supposed to get rid of amalgam fillings before you start clearing mercury out, otherwise you just move it around, and even into the brain or other organs according to David Favor who has had experience of treating hundreds of patients

I understand we are deficient in iodine, but also in many other nutrients. I'm not sure I believe in taking huge doses of just one substance, from my experience it might imbalance you of other nutrients or cause harm.

Kelp and Bladderwrack and other seaweeds are high in idoine and other essential elements and have been shown to remove toxic substances, just make sure you don't get the radioactive sort from ireland. Get it from Iceland which is the purest source.

David Favor says he cured his thyroid problem in 3 days by loading seaweeds

It is interesting and worth a try, if your fillings are removed. I know someone though who believe their kidney started to suffer from doing years of supplements though, so I'm a bit wary, prefer my supplements as natural as possible

21_12_2012
17-05-2010, 04:59 PM
Aren't you supposed to get rid of amalgam fillings before you start clearing mercury out, otherwise you just move it around, and even into the brain or other organs according to David Favor who has had experience of treating hundreds of patients

This is true as far as chelatiion using DMSA, Alpha Lipoic Acid, and maybe chlorella goes.

I am unsure about the chelating properties of iodine, and whether it would actually leech mercury from fillings, and take mercury from the body to the brain.
To get mercury into the brain it must:-
1) Be able to grip onto mercury for quite a while
2) Be able to cross the blood/brain barrier whilst still gripping the mercury.

I suppose a search on the net would come up with the properties of iodine as a chelator, i have not checked. I cannot remember coming across iodine being named as a specific chelator for mercury/metals whilst i have been chelating over the past couple of years, but maybe it is and i missed it.

Also, i do disagree with it being the 'best detoxifier'
Alpha Lipoic Acid and MMS in my opinion would both be better detoxifiers of body toxins (A.L.A.definately for metals too..unsure of MMS for metals)

I must say though, since starting to use Lugol's 7% iodine, i have felt a lot more energetic during the day, and no drowziness at all, even after meals, which i did have before using Iodine. It is definately beneficial, for me anyway, and i will continue to use it, probably for life.

I understand we are deficient in iodine, but also in many other nutrients. I'm not sure I believe in taking huge doses of just one substance, from my experience it might imbalance you of other nutrients or cause harm.

This could be true eventually, if taking 'too much' of something. I take 6 drops per day (2 x 3 drops) of Iodine, maybe breaks on it would be a good thing.

Kelp and Bladderwrack and other seaweeds are high in idoine and other essential elements and have been shown to remove toxic substances, just make sure you don't get the radioactive sort from ireland. Get it from Iceland which is the purest source.

I dont think these have enough daily iodine in them for any benefit, according to the stats on this thread.

David Favor says he cured his thyroid problem in 3 days by loading seaweeds

It may well cure thyroid problems, but after that, iodine is still needed, and lots of seaweed would need to be consumed to get to that daily dose, if its even possible to get that amount from seaweed.

pipsicle
17-05-2010, 08:08 PM
How different do we have to be?

All disease (or 98.3%) will be because of the root cause - iodine deficiency.

Mercury is cleared very effectively by iodine. It is the best de-toxifier out there. Also the best alkaline-iser. You may have to go high for a while with it though. Do not worry it is cleared very effectively by the body - as long as you are not taking teaspoons of the stuff.

Get back to basics - look at the video.

Everything else is on top of the iodine deficiency - it's secondary. The iodine deficiency is the primary in most cases.

Mark: could you recommend the online seller of 7% lugol's you think the most reliable? Personally I don't use ebay.

mark1963
17-05-2010, 09:04 PM
Aren't you supposed to get rid of amalgam fillings before you start clearing mercury out, otherwise you just move it around, and even into the brain or other organs according to David Favor who has had experience of treating hundreds of patients

I understand we are deficient in iodine, but also in many other nutrients. I'm not sure I believe in taking huge doses of just one substance, from my experience it might imbalance you of other nutrients or cause harm.

Kelp and Bladderwrack and other seaweeds are high in idoine and other essential elements and have been shown to remove toxic substances, just make sure you don't get the radioactive sort from ireland. Get it from Iceland which is the purest source.

David Favor says he cured his thyroid problem in 3 days by loading seaweeds

It is interesting and worth a try, if your fillings are removed. I know someone though who believe their kidney started to suffer from doing years of supplements though, so I'm a bit wary, prefer my supplements as natural as possible

Please look at some of the early posts.

Seaweeds are way insufficient for iodine purposes, generally. To load on kelp for example you would need to take 25 grams of it a day - and even then that's only enough to get you the equivalent of the Japanese diet - 12mg per day.

100gms of kelp is 54mg. That's alot of kelp. But seaweed is an excellent product all the same.

Have you seen the video?

Dr Brownstein has been treating patients with 100mg per day plus with ZERO side effects and tonnes of health benefits.

Water, air, alkali (soda) and IODINE are the essentials for life. Your kidneys should improve with iodine supplementation. All cells in the body need iodine to work. No iodine - no life.

It really is a true essential basic.

I would be slightly sceptical that a iodine deficiency could be cured in three days by anything. I've never seen evidence of this.

As far as mercury goes - yes - it's ideal to get it out, but, at £350 per tooth in the UK for that it is impractical for most. I have seen poor health lessened almost completely with those with mercury inside their mouths.

mark1963
17-05-2010, 09:09 PM
Mark: could you recommend the online seller of 7% lugol's you think the most reliable? Personally I don't use ebay.


Try this - it's 12 %. And very good.

http://www.nutricentre.com/p-25463-health-leads-lugols-iodine-solutions.aspx

dalem
17-05-2010, 10:21 PM
Mark: could you recommend the online seller of 7% lugol's you think the most reliable? Personally I don't use ebay.
You could make your own Lugol's 7% solution.
I have made over a litre of 7% at a cost of around £30. It's absolutely no different to what you buy online or even at your local health shop but, a whole lot cheaper.

I would be slightly sceptical that a iodine deficiency could be cured in three days by anything. I've never seen evidence of this.

I agree with Mark1963 on that one, something that's probably taken years to develop cured in three days by eating a load of seaweed seems a bit too good to be true.

dalem
17-05-2010, 11:46 PM
Although the mineral Selenium has been mentioned it should be noted that the Amino Acid Tyrosine is essential for Iodine/Thyroid metabolism.

The thyroid takes in iodine, obtained through food, iodized salt, or supplements, and combines it with the amino acid tyrosine. The thyroid then converts the iodine/tyrosine into the hormones T3 and T4. The "3" and the "4" refer to the number of iodine molecules in each thyroid hormone molecule.

For anyone looking for a good source of Tyrosine look no further than Kefir.
Kefir has a high content of Tyrosine readily available for your metabolism. It also has other amazing health benefits.
So come on get those kefir grains growing. :)

margaretr
17-05-2010, 11:56 PM
I bought mine here-
http://www.regenerativenutrition.com//shop-product.asp?prod=149

Iodine - Lugol's Solution (7%) £12.00
7% Lugol's Iodine 29.5 ml (1oz) Approximately 500 drops per bottle Elemental Iodine per drop = 4mg 12 mg daily provides 166 days supply Contents: Distilled water Potassium Iodide + Iodine crystal

no postage charge - shipped from Guernsey but still came quick

mark1963
18-05-2010, 06:52 AM
Although the mineral Selenium has been mentioned it should be noted that the Amino Acid Tyrosine is essential for Iodine/Thyroid metabolism.

The thyroid takes in iodine, obtained through food, iodized salt, or supplements, and combines it with the amino acid tyrosine. The thyroid then converts the iodine/tyrosine into the hormones T3 and T4. The "3" and the "4" refer to the number of iodine molecules in each thyroid hormone molecule.

For anyone looking for a good source of Tyrosine look no further than Kefir.
Kefir has a high content of Tyrosine readily available for your metabolism. It also has other amazing health benefits.
So come on get those kefir grains growing. :)

Thank you for the info on kefir - I read your thread on that. I will have to try some.

bush doctor
18-05-2010, 03:47 PM
[QUOTE=dalem;1058891347]You could make your own Lugol's 7% solution.
I have made over a litre of 7% at a cost of around £30. It's absolutely no different to what you buy online or even at your local health shop but, a whole lot cheaper.


Hi dalem, could you link a supplier for the raw materials please.

I make my own colloidal silver,distill my own water and also make 3% H2O from food grade 35% peroxide, so to make my own Iodine too would be great

Thanks in advance:)

pipsicle
18-05-2010, 04:35 PM
Try this - it's 12 %. And very good.

http://www.nutricentre.com/p-25463-health-leads-lugols-iodine-solutions.aspx

Muchas gracias.

I bought mine here-
http://www.regenerativenutrition.com//shop-product.asp?prod=149

Iodine - Lugol's Solution (7%) £12.00
7% Lugol's Iodine 29.5 ml (1oz) Approximately 500 drops per bottle Elemental Iodine per drop = 4mg 12 mg daily provides 166 days supply Contents: Distilled water Potassium Iodide + Iodine crystal

no postage charge - shipped from Guernsey but still came quick

Vielen dank.

You could make your own Lugol's 7% solution.
I have made over a litre of 7% at a cost of around £30. It's absolutely no different to what you buy online or even at your local health shop but, a whole lot cheaper.


Like Bush doctor I'd like to know: How is this made from scratch?

blue2
18-05-2010, 04:48 PM
Please look at some of the early posts.

Seaweeds are way insufficient for iodine purposes, generally. To load on kelp for example you would need to take 25 grams of it a day - and even then that's only enough to get you the equivalent of the Japanese diet - 12mg per day.

100gms of kelp is 54mg. That's alot of kelp. But seaweed is an excellent product all the same.

Have you seen the video?

Dr Brownstein has been treating patients with 100mg per day plus with ZERO side effects and tonnes of health benefits.

Water, air, alkali (soda) and IODINE are the essentials for life. Your kidneys should improve with iodine supplementation. All cells in the body need iodine to work. No iodine - no life.

It really is a true essential basic.

I would be slightly sceptical that a iodine deficiency could be cured in three days by anything. I've never seen evidence of this.

As far as mercury goes - yes - it's ideal to get it out, but, at £350 per tooth in the UK for that it is impractical for most. I have seen poor health lessened almost completely with those with mercury inside their mouths.


I had all mine removed 'safely' a good few years back by Dentist Dr John Robertson cost of £800 for a mouthful but i guess it may depend where you live- it consisted of rubber dam to back of mouth and also rubber apron,alternative oxygen supply and the Dentist and assistant using what reminded me of the War masks!! He recommended using Chlorella for making sure no mercury left in-however i've got titanium rods still so who knows but look i aint worrying rest of my life about it all. I agree the best form of Iodine is Magnascent in it's nascent state it is the purest and most easily bioavailable-and must be Diluted in water. It did not improve my health significantly, only Armourthytroid has done that for me and son. But i like not having a mouthful of black looking fillings.It was the fashion at the slightest toothache for dentists to drill and fill when i was younger-whether or not bad teeth.

blue2
18-05-2010, 04:53 PM
Somatomed has all amino acids in not just one-it's same with vitamins and minerals and Omegas take only one and you may shift the balance instead of using holistically. Kelp is useless if you have serious thyroid issues. And also blood tests for thyroid are often unreliable-it is supposed to be Patient and symptoms that are most important and bloods are a guide only secondary, not the be all and end all of diagnosis. Some people may show on treatment with Armour low TSH in bloods and yet not be feeling Hyperthyroid at all. For some they may need to be out of ref ranges to feel well. Most doctors do not get enough training if any on this subject and certainly haven't a clue on management of it.

dalem
18-05-2010, 04:54 PM
O'K by popular demand here are the ingredients and links to the seller on Ebay. ( who by the way I have no connection with ).

For a 7% solution I bought the following materials all from the same guy on eBay: Here are the links to his shop.

1. 100gm Iodine Prills BP90 99.5% Pure - 100gm (4oz)

2. Potassium Iodide 99.% Pure 100gm (PI-100)

3. Distilled Water 3 x 500ml

WARNING: DO NOT SNIFF THE RAW IODINE ( Like I did ) IT CAN IRRITATE YOUR LUNGS.
It's perfectly safe after being mixed with the Iodide and Distilled water.

You will not need all of the Iodine or Potassium Iodide to make 2 pints ( 1.13 Litres ) of 7% solution.

What I used:

1. 88 grams of Potassium Iodide.
2. 44 Grams of Iodine.
3. 2 Pints (1.13 Litres ) Distilled water.
4. Glass jar with plastic top. ( Not metal top as Iodine will attack it )

####################################

1. Fill the jar about quarter full with Distilled water.

2. Add the 88 Grams Potassium Iodide and stir with Plastic spoon or plastic "Chopstick"

3. Add the 44 Grams of Iodine and stir also.

4. Top up with the remaining Distilled water from your two pints and give it a good mixing.

5. Leave to thouroughly dissolve and mix for 24 hours.

6. After 24 hours give a final mix and put some into a smaller "Dropper Bottle" for your own use.

7. The larger container of what you just mixed will be near as can be 7% solution exactly the same as Lugol's. Store it airtight and somewhere cool. It will have a "shelf Life" of at least 12 months.

If in any doubts about making your own Iodine Solution or the quantities there is a tutorial on Youtube by a brilliant Herbalist Tony Pantalleresco

You can find it HERE

pipsicle
18-05-2010, 04:57 PM
Watcha blue blue

"The World Health Organization says that iodine deficiency is the largest single cause of mental retardation." - http://www.vitamincfoundation.org/iodine.htm


Blimey... Kept that quiet, didn't they?

pipsicle
18-05-2010, 04:58 PM
O'K by popular demand here are the ingredients and links to the seller on Ebay. ( who by the way I have no connection with ).

For a 7% solution I bought the following materials all from the same guy on eBay: Here are the links to his shop.

1. 100gm Iodine Prills BP90 99.5% Pure - 100gm (4oz) (http://cgi.ebay.co.uk/100gm-Iodine-Prills-BP90-99-5-Pure-100gm-4oz-/130300745133?cmd=ViewItem&pt=UK_BOI_Medical_Lab_Equipment_Lab_Supplies_ET&hash=item1e568795ad)

2. Potassium Iodide 99.% Pure 100gm (PI-100) (http://cgi.ebay.co.uk/Potassium-Iodide-99-Pure-100gm-PI-100-/140368704237?cmd=ViewItem&pt=UK_BOI_Medical_Lab_Equipment_Lab_Supplies_ET&hash=item20aea072ed)

3. Distilled Water 3 x 500ml (http://cgi.ebay.co.uk/Distilled-Water-3-x-500ml-/140333772201?cmd=ViewItem&pt=UK_BOI_Medical_Lab_Equipment_Lab_Supplies_ET&hash=item20ac8b6da9)

WARNING: DO NOT SNIFF THE RAW IODINE ( Like I did ) IT CAN IRRITATE YOUR LUNGS.
It's perfectly safe after being mixed with the Iodide and Distilled water.

You will not need all of the Iodine or Potassium Iodide to make 2 pints ( 1.13 Litres ) of 7% solution.

What I used:

1. 88 grams of Potassium Iodide.
2. 44 Grams of Iodine.
3. 2 Pints (1.13 Litres ) Distilled water.
4. Glass jar with plastic top. ( Not metal top as Iodine will attack it )

####################################

1. Fill the jar about quarter full with Distilled water.

2. Add the 88 Grams Potassium Iodide and stir with Plastic spoon or plastic "Chopstick"

3. Add the 44 Grams of Iodine and stir also.

4. Top up with the remaining Distilled water from your two pints and give it a good mixing.

5. Leave to thouroughly dissolve and mix for 24 hours.

6. After 24 hours give a final mix and put some into a smaller "Dropper Bottle" for your own use.

7. The larger container of what you just mixed will be near as can be 7% solution exactly the same as Lugol's. Store it airtight and somewhere cool. It will have a "shelf Life" of at least 12 months.

If in any doubts about making your own Iodine Solution or the quantities there is a tutorial on Youtube by a brilliant Herbalist Tony Pantalleresco

You can find it HERE (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Znqej6FBxTA)



Oh cool.... thanks a lot...

bush doctor
18-05-2010, 06:06 PM
Oh cool.... thanks a lot...

As above::)

pipsicle
19-05-2010, 12:45 PM
Does anyone else find the iodine: the most misunderstood video very quiet?

http://video.google.com/videoplay?docid=-2956337981044006757#


It's very interesting but I find it hard to hear.

mark1963
19-05-2010, 12:47 PM
Does anyone else find the iodine: the most misunderstood video very quiet?

http://video.google.com/videoplay?docid=-2956337981044006757#

It's very interesting but I find it hard to hear.

PM me - I have the solution ;)

gaias child
19-05-2010, 01:16 PM
Please look at some of the early posts.

.

I've read the whole thread several times

I would be slightly sceptical that a iodine deficiency could be cured in three days by anything. I've never seen evidence of this

I'm just reporting what David Favor who is very highly respected in health circles said in an audio. I have found his info very helpful and got results for me

Here is the link check it out for yourself

http://radicalhealth.com/raw-food-diet/people/favor-david.html#hypothyroidism



My hypothyroidism peaked in 2003. I could walk out in the blistering sun of afternoon Texas summer heat, be bundled up and still shake like a leaf because I was so cold. I'd struggled with these symptoms for years and starting around 2000 they began escalating. From 2000-2003 I invested countless hours and $1000s, even resorting to using animal products (colostrum, which I recommend everyone avoid) because my pain was so intense.


In 2003 I was having a conversation with a friend and in passing mentioned my symptoms and he said, "Oh that's easy to fix. Just load up on Seaweeds."
Being skeptical I went looking for Dulse. What was available at upscale markets was unacceptable, as it was dry, discolored and tasted stale. So we opened a supply chain to import Dulse from Canada.
After eating 1-2oz./day (which is a massive amount of Dulse) for one day my pain became manageable. After two days I stopped shivering. After three days I was toasty warm.
Now I eat Dulse a few times monthly and stay toasty warm year round.
I believe there are several reasons I came upscale so quickly:
I was eating excipient/ascorbate/non-nutrient/anti-nutrient free, Raw Food Diet rich in Natural State, Raw Super Foods.
I was using high octane, practitioner strength, pharmaceutical grade enzymes multiple times daily.
I was ingesting high quality salt, to taste. Also I was eating lots of Nori. Our adrenals, thyroid and parathyroid operate as a single glandular system. The only way to really reboot any of these glands is to reboot them together and...
Salt reboots/feeds/supports adrenal function.
Salt, iodine and green pigment seaweed reboots/feeds/supports thyroid function.
Salt, iodine and purple pigment seaweed reboots/feeds/supports parathyroid function

If you have hypothyroid or hyperthyroid symptoms, be in touch as these symptoms can range from annoying to uncomfortable to down right dangerous.

Before you start down the track of synthetic thyroid medicine, which destroys thyroid function, I recommend you be in touch and try a week experiment using Natural State, Raw Super Foods first and avoid drugs as long as your symptoms improve.
I also recommend you do this experiment with products known to produce your desired outcome. If you go into the marketplace and attempt to use off the shelf products, your mileage will probably vary. You may have no effect or much slower effect.
This is especially true of salt, much of which is full of nickel dust (highly toxic) or petroleum (as with gray salts). These toxins along with excipients (non-nutrient or anti-nutrient flowing agents) added to most capsules/caplets/tablets may either contribute to or directly cause both hypothyroidism and hyperthyroidism

Have you seen the video?



yes, very interesting.


I'm not disagreeing with iodine supplementation. All I'm saying is that is may not be as simple as iodine supplementation alone , for everyone and especially those with complex problems mitochondrial failure and severely vaccine damaged or chemical poisoned people, some of those researchers say it is the other way round that the thyroid heals when you repair the mitochondria and you get the methylation cycle to work which is what you need working to detox and repair the depleted glutathione pathway which you need to have working before anything can detox including food and supplements, these can also poison you if the methylation cycle is blocked

http://drmyhill.co.uk/wiki/CFS_-_The_Methylation_Cycle

I've started to use small amounts of magnascent iodine myself, carefully, as in the past I have bad allergic reactions to things other people swear by.

allseeingguy
19-05-2010, 04:38 PM
There seems to be significant information on the effects of fluoride on the thyroid, http://www.fluoridealert.org/health/thyroid/, note “In humans, effects on thyroid function were associated with fluoride exposures of 0.05-0.13 mg/kg/day when iodine intake was adequate and 0.01-0.03 mg/kg/day when iodine intake was inadequate.”

Also, one should be very wary of purchasing pure iodine crystal/prills from the internet. Many, especially those on ebay are sting operations designed to target illegal methamphetamine (speed) manufacturing. Iodine is a key precursor in the synthesis, and as little as 500gm may warrant a search of your property.

the white knight
19-05-2010, 04:47 PM
I have just been looking at iodine for sale on ebay someone is selling lugols iodine and says in the write up that it should be taken with a acid liquid ie, apple cider vinagar this is the first time i have heard this is this correct?

mark1963
19-05-2010, 08:38 PM
I've read the whole thread several times



I'm just reporting what David Favor who is very highly respected in health circles said in an audio. I have found his info very helpful and got results for me

Here is the link check it out for yourself

http://radicalhealth.com/raw-food-diet/people/favor-david.html#hypothyroidism





yes, very interesting.


I'm not disagreeing with iodine supplementation. All I'm saying is that is may not be as simple as iodine supplementation alone , for everyone and especially those with complex problems mitochondrial failure and severely vaccine damaged or chemical poisoned people, some of those researchers say it is the other way round that the thyroid heals when you repair the mitochondria and you get the methylation cycle to work which is what you need working to detox and repair the depleted glutathione pathway which you need to have working before anything can detox including food and supplements, these can also poison you if the methylation cycle is blocked

http://drmyhill.co.uk/wiki/CFS_-_The_Methylation_Cycle

I've started to use small amounts of magnascent iodine myself, carefully, as in the past I have bad allergic reactions to things other people swear by.

That's very interesting from the Dr Favor. 2oz is about 56 grams which would equate to 25+/- mg of iodine. It must be that the seaweed has a synergistic effect. I have never heard of a release of symptoms so quickly on so little iodine.

As far as the thyroid goes - it will never heal without adequate amounts of iodine. Iodine works more effectively than chelation in heavy metal poisoning and clears most other toxins as well.

Iodine is not just needed by the thyroid gland - most iodine is needed by the fat and muscles of the body.

Iodine is not a supplement - it is an essential nutrient for the body.

Good luck with the magnascent - I've heard it is very good.

mark1963
19-05-2010, 08:40 PM
There seems to be significant information on the effects of fluoride on the thyroid, http://www.fluoridealert.org/health/thyroid/, note “In humans, effects on thyroid function were associated with fluoride exposures of 0.05-0.13 mg/kg/day when iodine intake was adequate and 0.01-0.03 mg/kg/day when iodine intake was inadequate.”

Also, one should be very wary of purchasing pure iodine crystal/prills from the internet. Many, especially those on ebay are sting operations designed to target illegal methamphetamine (speed) manufacturing. Iodine is a key precursor in the synthesis, and as little as 500gm may warrant a search of your property.

Fluoride without iodine wreaks havoc on the body. Good information there, thanks.

I did not know about the amphetamine manufacture though.

mark1963
19-05-2010, 08:42 PM
I have just been looking at iodine for sale on ebay someone is selling lugols iodine and says in the write up that it should be taken with a acid liquid ie, apple cider vinagar this is the first time i have heard this is this correct?

Yes - I posted that a page or so ago. Many people find it helps if it is taken in a slight acid environment.

gaias child
20-05-2010, 11:30 AM
Watcha blue blue

"The World Health Organization says that iodine deficiency is the largest single cause of mental retardation." - http://www.vitamincfoundation.org/iodine.htm


Blimey... Kept that quiet, didn't they?

well spotted.

The World Health Organization says that iodine deficiency is the largest single cause of mental retardation.

the white knight
20-05-2010, 01:48 PM
I got my Magnascent Iodine through the post this afternoon i will start tomorrow morning taking it on a empty stomach.

pipsicle
20-05-2010, 05:09 PM
Good luck, whiteknight...


GC, I asked a nutritionist at the nutri centre about the conflicting claims regarding iodine. She said she basically wasn't sure which set was correct. Also that their lugol's iodine states that iodine should be taken at six drops for just three days... Both she and I were scratching our heads over that one as the bottle was large. Now you mention the claim idoine deficiency can be cured in three days (like others I'm sceptical about that) that's the only possible basis I can think of for the information on the leaflet.

Did you know iodine used to be known as The Universal Medicine?

mark1963
20-05-2010, 08:45 PM
Good luck, whiteknight...


GC, I asked a nutritionist at the nutri centre about the conflicting claims regarding iodine. She said she basically wasn't sure which set was correct. Also that their lugol's iodine states that iodine should be taken at six drops for just three days... Both she and I were scratching our heads over that one as the bottle was large. Now you mention the claim idoine deficiency can be cured in three days (like others I'm sceptical about that) that's the only possible basis I can think of for the information on the leaflet.

Did you know iodine used to be known as The Universal Medicine?

If you went to your Doctor before the 1960's then if you had flu', colds - well virtually anything - the Doctor would give you a 1/2 to 1 teaspoon of iodine. 1-2 days later you were as right as rain.

Then came Big Pharma.

gaias child
21-05-2010, 05:27 AM
Iodine is not a supplement - it is an essential nutrient for the body.



I agree with you but because synthetic or synthesised nutients like most nutritional supplements are poison for the body. I preferred natural sources. I don't know if the iodine is synthesised from chemicals or natural sources

I'm a huge fan of taking nutrients in their natural form in the way nature intended, and these also have bioresonance with human cells. It is something I really believe in



Interesting article below on the difference between natural and synthetic nutritional supplements

http://www.organicconsumers.org/nutricon/qa.cfm

Is the iodine supplement natural, how is it made. Is it made synthetically from chemicals rather than coming from a natural source. where do the ingredients come from.

I'm not questioning the necessity of iodine for health. I agree with that

mark1963
21-05-2010, 08:23 AM
I agree with you but my main point was that because synthetic or synthesised nutients like most nutritional supplements are poison for the body. I preferred natural sources

I'm a big fan of taking nutrients in their natural form in the way nature intended, and these also have bioresonance with human cells.



Interesting article below on the difference between natural and synthetic nutritional supplements

http://www.organicconsumers.org/nutricon/qa.cfm



Is the iodine supplement natural, how is it made. Is it made synthetically from chemicals rather than coming from a natural source. where do the ingredients come from.

I'm not questioning the necessity of iodine for health. I agree with that

Good post and an area that's often overlooked.

Bio-resonance sounds right.

Lugol's is not absorbed brilliantly so I suspect that the method of production and left and right handed isomers come into the mix. Left hand or L-*** is the most bio-active and the one found in nature. Most processed vitamins are D-*** or right handed so tax the body to be absorbed, some D-*** are not absorbed at all - and are treated by the body as a toxin. Most pharmaceutical drugs come under this category as well. They are made from petrol these days - a potent carcinogenic and they are D-*** isomers, and are treated as toxins.

Magnascent Iodine is absorbed most effectively from my research and there are a couple of other candidates that I'm currently researching.

Seaweed would probably be the most bio-active way of taking it, but, there is the issue of quantity needed.

I'm also researching ways to better absorb Lugol's as well.

the white knight
21-05-2010, 08:53 AM
There is a comapny in the USA called one with nature that has seawed based iodine i have bought some of there Oil of Oregano which is the best i have ever come across but for some reason the owner no longer send items outside the USA. He sells items on USA Ebay but again only to the USA the bloke who owns it makes his own preperations and is a master herbelist its a pity just have a look at his products very high quality indeed.
http://cgi.ebay.com/369-ORGANIC-Iodine-THYROID-Support-4-5-Month-Supply-/150446203053?cmd=ViewItem&pt=LH_DefaultDomain_0&hash=item23074ae0ad




http://www.wonwithnature.com/won-iodine.html

gaias child
21-05-2010, 09:45 AM
Wow, thanks for those links and info white knight, that is the kind of thing I was thinking of, only I didn't know it actually existed.

Why does the US always have such great products and it is so hard to get good stuff in the UK. Often the best products in the US won't ship to the UK either. Such a shame

gaias child
21-05-2010, 10:02 AM
There is a comapny in the USA called one with nature that has seawed based iodine i have bought some of there Oil of Oregano which is the best i have ever come across but for some reason the owner no longer send items outside the USA. He sells items on USA Ebay but again only to the USA the bloke who owns it makes his own preperations and is a master herbelist its a pity just have a look at his products very high quality indeed.
http://cgi.ebay.com/369-ORGANIC-Iodine-THYROID-Support-4-5-Month-Supply-/150446203053?cmd=ViewItem&pt=LH_DefaultDomain_0&hash=item23074ae0ad




http://www.wonwithnature.com/won-iodine.html

You can open a postal address in the US. My partner has got one, when I wanted to get David Favor product but we never actually used it, so may be able to buy it that way. I'm not quite sure how it works

the white knight
21-05-2010, 11:47 AM
Wow, thanks for those links and info white knight, that is the kind of thing I was thinking of, only I didn't know it actually existed.

Why does the US always have such great products and it is so hard to get good stuff in the UK. Often the best products in the US won't ship to the UK either. Such a shame


I have sent him a question on his ebay site to ask if he will ship outside the USA for the iodine maybe he has changed his mind about it.
A good year ago i bought some Oil of Oregano of his ebay site without any problems when i ran out i treid to order some more but he no longer to orders outside the USA even though i have bought off him with no problems.
He's got a good deal where you buy 2 bottles and get one for free.

the white knight
21-05-2010, 12:06 PM
I have been using my Magnascent Iodine today the thing i have already found about it is it has a high evaporation rate some people who have used this sayes that when you put it on your skin it dissappears very quickly and think it has gone straight through there skin personaly i don't think so i put it down as pure evaporation lets not forget it is only 2% in strengh held in pure grain alcohol. I put this Magnascent iodine on a cotton wool bud to put on some spots it dissappeared leveing just a brown stain on the wool bud there was hardly anything left to put on a spot you will have to use this stuff from the bottle onto a spot or wound it is no good to put on cotton wool then put on a wound or something.
I will use Lugols iodine for putting on the skin and leave this M Iodine for internal use only M Iodine not as good as i first though.

gaias child
21-05-2010, 04:45 PM
I have sent him a question on his ebay site to ask if he will ship outside the USA for the iodine maybe he has changed his mind about it.
A good year ago i bought some Oil of Oregano of his ebay site without any problems when i ran out i treid to order some more but he no longer to orders outside the USA even though i have bought off him with no problems.
He's got a good deal where you buy 2 bottles and get one for free.

I liked all his products including the parasite cleanse and mercury magnet and the kidney and pancreas cleanse as well, I wrote to him at the website to ask if he would ship to the UK, and this is what he said

Hello.

We no longer ship outside of the US.

Take care,

Shawn-WWN


If he changes his mind with the ebay one though let us know.

tracker
21-05-2010, 04:54 PM
I have been researching the Thyroid gland recently, so imagine my happiness when Coast 2 Coast broadcast a whole program about it.

We are being deliberately stripped of iodine in our diets.

Fluoride (water, toothpaste, etc), Chloride (Water, washing up liquid, detergent, cleaning products) Bromide (white flour products, bread, cakes, etc) are in the same group on the periodic table as iodine.

They substitute themselves very easily for iodine in the thyroid molecule.

A blood test from your doctor will show a normal thyroid test, but, the thyroid molecule is no longer iodine based and so the molecule is ineffective.

In other words - EVERYONE - will have thyroid deficiencies.

Thyroid is the underlying cause for our health in EVERY process in the human body.

A lack of it will lead to EVERY disease we see today - Alzheimer's, ADD, heart disease, diabetes, cataracts, arthritis - you name it, a lack of thyroid will act as a catalyst for all diseases in every case.

Iodine was dropped from vitamins and minerals in the late 80's and this was carried out obstensively because iodine was dangerous. Looking back on this decision it is utter BS.

Iodine in the mg range is perfectly safe and is massively needed by the body.

We need at least 12mg (Japanese diet) of iodine daily. We are lucky to get 1mg daily in our western diets - and if our food is non-organic then the fertilisers used in production will destroy that.

Kelp is only 54mg per 100gm, so getting it from that may be a problem. Iodised salt is no good, wrong type of iodine, does not get absorbed by the body. Organic unprocessed Sea Salt does have good iodine in it, but, not alot.

Please check this link on iodine:

Iodine - Why We Need It (http://www.regenerativenutrition.com/content.asp?id=523#)


This link is the link to the Coast 2 Coast program, please listen to it all, there is a mass of information, especially about the UK blood test:

Coast 2 Coast - 9/3/2010 - Thyroid (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=oJC_rS9nkTg&feature=related)

Here is another excellent site:

http://www.stopthethyroidmadness.com/

The best product I have heard about for iodine is Lugol's Iodine - available on the web.

3 drops is equivalent to the 12mg you need daily.

People with mercury fillings would need up to 50mg per day it has been found.


brilliant stuff , thanks for the info and the links .

:cool:

the white knight
21-05-2010, 06:01 PM
What does anyone think of iodine in tablet form anyone her of this stuff.

http://www.progest50.com/iodineplus2.htm

dalem
21-05-2010, 06:58 PM
I'm also researching ways to better absorb Lugol's as well.

As posted earlier Selenium and Tyrosine are essential if you are taking Iodine supplements.

There's a ton of Tyrosine in Kefir.
And if you use Selenium go for the Selenium Yeast it's much more usable by your metabolism.

pipsicle
21-05-2010, 08:28 PM
“The role of iodine in the body goes far beyond its function of making thyroid hormones; iodine is related to the ability to resist disease”.

Dr Mark Sircus



“Iodine can increase your energy by up to 300%”

Dr Bob de Maria

dalem
22-05-2010, 11:00 AM
I have been using Iodine for a relatively short time but already feel like i'm coming back to life, have more energy, sleep well and wake up refreshed.
What are your experiences with using Iodine?

mark1963
22-05-2010, 03:39 PM
As posted earlier Selenium and Tyrosine are essential if you are taking Iodine supplements.

There's a ton of Tyrosine in Kefir.
And if you use Selenium go for the Selenium Yeast it's much more usable by your metabolism.


Can you give links on the yeast part? I ask because of candida overgrowth for most people then not using yeast is a good idea.

I'm still looking at it holistically and so far have made some great connections.

mark1963
22-05-2010, 03:40 PM
I have been using Iodine for a relatively short time but already feel like i'm coming back to life, have more energy, sleep well and wake up refreshed.
What are your experiences with using Iodine?

That's great - is the fog lifting?

blue2
23-05-2010, 12:12 PM
Wow, thanks for those links and info white knight, that is the kind of thing I was thinking of, only I didn't know it actually existed.

Why does the US always have such great products and it is so hard to get good stuff in the UK. Often the best products in the US won't ship to the UK either. Such a shame

:)Well GC what you can do is become a Member of www.MyUs.com they are a Consolidating company who give you a street address,it's a suite,and you can have Goods shipped to MyUs who will then either send or on your instructions await further packages from anywhere in the world to deliver to your address by Courier,gets through Customs much faster.

blue2
23-05-2010, 12:14 PM
You can open a postal address in the US. My partner has got one, when I wanted to get David Favor product but we never actually used it, so may be able to buy it that way. I'm not quite sure how it works

Hope you won't mind my saying but i used organic essential oil of oregano internally just 1 drop in water for candida from NHR Organics in UK.

blue2
23-05-2010, 12:18 PM
I have been using my Magnascent Iodine today the thing i have already found about it is it has a high evaporation rate some people who have used this sayes that when you put it on your skin it dissappears very quickly and think it has gone straight through there skin personaly i don't think so i put it down as pure evaporation lets not forget it is only 2% in strengh held in pure grain alcohol. I put this Magnascent iodine on a cotton wool bud to put on some spots it dissappeared leveing just a brown stain on the wool bud there was hardly anything left to put on a spot you will have to use this stuff from the bottle onto a spot or wound it is no good to put on cotton wool then put on a wound or something.
I will use Lugols iodine for putting on the skin and leave this M Iodine for internal use only M Iodine not as good as i first though.

I don't find this with Magnascent Iodine yes it leaves brown stain on cotton wool but when i use onto skin it stains same and if you have a high requirement for iodine it may vanish quickly cos it states on John Brookshire's site the test for iodine need is to put onto skin and if it disappears within two hours you are depleted.The more it builds up inside you the longer it should stay on the skin.

mark1963
23-05-2010, 12:57 PM
I don't find this with Magnascent Iodine yes it leaves brown stain on cotton wool but when i use onto skin it stains same and if you have a high requirement for iodine it may vanish quickly cos it states on John Brookshire's site the test for iodine need is to put onto skin and if it disappears within two hours you are depleted.The more it builds up inside you the longer it should stay on the skin.

Is this method reliable?

I ask because another member of another forum painted Lugol's on her feet and then went to bed. Upon awakening the iodine was gone. What she did then was brush her feet with a weak H2O2 (hydrogen peroxide) solution and it all came back.

Any thoughts?

blue2
23-05-2010, 01:17 PM
Is this method reliable?

I ask because another member of another forum painted Lugol's on her feet and then went to bed. Upon awakening the iodine was gone. What she did then was brush her feet with a weak H2O2 (hydrogen peroxide) solution and it all came back.

Any thoughts?

Well of course the hydrogen peroxide draws stuff out-as with Naturopath Hulda Regher Clark she wrote of using it to draw out pesticides from vegetable and meats-i've used it for foods to soak with a tablepsoon in bowl of water and you can see bubbling as it draws whatever out. So it sounds like the Iodine had gone in but not to cellular level-- anyway Lugols is different to Magnascent i.e lugols hangs in gut and kills salmonella but it isn't so absorbable/ bioavailable like Magnascent is-lugols is much heavier solution. And i know that you should not use the hydrogen peroxide internally when using iodine because it has an alkaline effect,neutralizes,and negates the iodine.

mikelambert
23-05-2010, 04:46 PM
I have been researching the Thyroid gland recently, so imagine my happiness when Coast 2 Coast broadcast a whole program about it.

We are being deliberately stripped of iodine in our diets.

Fluoride (water, toothpaste, etc), Chloride (Water, washing up liquid, detergent, cleaning products) Bromide (white flour products, bread, cakes, etc) are in the same group on the periodic table as iodine.

They substitute themselves very easily for iodine in the thyroid molecule.

A blood test from your doctor will show a normal thyroid test, but, the thyroid molecule is no longer iodine based and so the molecule is ineffective.

In other words - EVERYONE - will have thyroid deficiencies.

Thyroid is the underlying cause for our health in EVERY process in the human body.

A lack of it will lead to EVERY disease we see today - Alzheimer's, ADD, heart disease, diabetes, cataracts, arthritis - you name it, a lack of thyroid will act as a catalyst for all diseases in every case.

Iodine was dropped from vitamins and minerals in the late 80's and this was carried out obstensively because iodine was dangerous. Looking back on this decision it is utter BS.

Iodine in the mg range is perfectly safe and is massively needed by the body.

We need at least 12mg (Japanese diet) of iodine daily. We are lucky to get 1mg daily in our western diets - and if our food is non-organic then the fertilisers used in production will destroy that.

Kelp is only 54mg per 100gm, so getting it from that may be a problem. Iodised salt is no good, wrong type of iodine, does not get absorbed by the body. Organic unprocessed Sea Salt does have good iodine in it, but, not alot.

Please check this link on iodine:

Iodine - Why We Need It (http://www.regenerativenutrition.com/content.asp?id=523#)


This link is the link to the Coast 2 Coast program, please listen to it all, there is a mass of information, especially about the UK blood test:

Coast 2 Coast - 9/3/2010 - Thyroid (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=oJC_rS9nkTg&feature=related)

Here is another excellent site:

http://www.stopthethyroidmadness.com/

The best product I have heard about for iodine is Lugol's Iodine - available on the web.

3 drops is equivalent to the 12mg you need daily.

People with mercury fillings would need up to 50mg per day it has been found.

We see a lot of Thyroid problems at The Shen Clinic for many of the reasons mentioned. In 1991 (I was working as a high profile health adviser and investigator at national level) I launched a campaign to highlight the dangers of Flouride, Chlorine Bromides Pesticides and what became an almost endless list of substances with the potential to affect the Thyroid. Further to this, I was aware that the immune system was setting up what looked like an anti-body against the Thyroid. This attacks the Thyroid, when it perceives it to be an invader. Big - Big - Big problem.
We deal with this in a very different way. To start with we don't get any of our blood tests done in the UK. We have the blood taken (in the UK), spun and cooled then sent to specialist labs in the USA. These tests often show up Lupus amongst other things in some patients. We then assess the functional state (indicator screening)of not only the Thyroid, but other functions affected by it. The buck does not stop at the Thyroid in my view.

freedom1st
23-05-2010, 04:54 PM
We see a lot of Thyroid problems at The Shen Clinic for many of the reasons mentioned. In 1991 (I was working as a high profile health adviser and investigator at national level) I launched a campaign to highlight the dangers of Flouride, Chlorine Bromides Pesticides and what became an almost endless list of substances with the potential to affect the Thyroid. Further to this, I was aware that the immune system was setting up what looked like an anti-body against the Thyroid. This attacks the Thyroid, when it perceives it to be an invader. Big - Big - Big problem.
We deal with this in a very different way. To start with we don't get any of our blood tests done in the UK. We have the blood taken (in the UK), spun and cooled then sent to specialist labs in the USA. These tests often show up Lupus amongst other things in some patients. We then assess the functional state (indicator screening)of not only the Thyroid, but other functions affected by it. The buck does not stop at the Thyroid in my view.

Hi Mike,
Glad to see your response on this.
If I wanted you to look at my thyroid problem would I need to come to the Isle of White? If so could you recommend someone (like yourself) who does the same sort of thing. I'm in Warwickshire btw.
If I have to come to the Isle of White I will do because under the NHS I'm not getting any better and frankly all the info on iodine and natural thyroid is making my head hurt.

mark1963
23-05-2010, 07:02 PM
We see a lot of Thyroid problems at The Shen Clinic for many of the reasons mentioned. In 1991 (I was working as a high profile health adviser and investigator at national level) I launched a campaign to highlight the dangers of Flouride, Chlorine Bromides Pesticides and what became an almost endless list of substances with the potential to affect the Thyroid. Further to this, I was aware that the immune system was setting up what looked like an anti-body against the Thyroid. This attacks the Thyroid, when it perceives it to be an invader. Big - Big - Big problem.
We deal with this in a very different way. To start with we don't get any of our blood tests done in the UK. We have the blood taken (in the UK), spun and cooled then sent to specialist labs in the USA. These tests often show up Lupus amongst other things in some patients. We then assess the functional state (indicator screening)of not only the Thyroid, but other functions affected by it. The buck does not stop at the Thyroid in my view.

Thanks for the information. In your practice how much further does this go. Is it as I suspect that all of the glands are under attack?

What is this anti-body to the thyroid?