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kdvwest
24-05-2010, 01:32 AM
This the ANA or the TrAB test?

I may have graves disease, but all my tests came back normal (Ft4/ft3/tsh).

blue2
24-05-2010, 10:38 AM
Hi Mike,
Glad to see your response on this.
If I wanted you to look at my thyroid problem would I need to come to the Isle of White? If so could you recommend someone (like yourself) who does the same sort of thing. I'm in Warwickshire btw.
If I have to come to the Isle of White I will do because under the NHS I'm not getting any better and frankly all the info on iodine and natural thyroid is making my head hurt.

Sorry to but in but Warwickshire is the home of Dr Skinner-he is hot on Clinical diagnosis as you know by now. Thyroid UK did recommened Apple Clinic but you'd have to Google cos Thyroid Urine and Adrenals Salva tests show up what is going on at tissue level and will get truth from these tests.

Blood changes every 45 seconds that is why if testing say for a virus it needs a quick run of three bloods to be drawn to find it and i had the Flu virus found years ago by this at an Immunology Clinic for ME in NHS but very controlled was the nice Specialist within NHS confines and could only give deathly EPD injections containing allergens that i personally was made very ill by so much so the second time i had my appointment i needed to be in a Cheshire Home and what a good thing as i went into shock and couldn't stop shivering and teeth chattering with severe pain to legs so now i'd say that this had lowered my thyroid function further. I won't go near the NHS anymore. Everything i had done to me was barbaric.

Shen Clinic sounds interesting though,we should all go live on the Isle of Wight!!...pity if there is not in-house accommodation like a retreat.... can the tests not be sent to the patient's home and use the District Nurse or GP surgery Nurse to draw bloods nearer home and then send by special delivery or whatever is quickest- with a special tube that keeps the blood good...just a thought, cos it's how i've lived for years. It's not the business to get people well within NHS. Functional medicine like maybe Dr Mancourani recommended as Advisor on Thyroid Patient Advocacy for anyone who cannot get to the Shen clinic and maybe she can do phone consultations.

blue2
24-05-2010, 10:47 AM
I do agree it's not the be all and end all but i know Armourthyroid works best along with magnascent iodine and i was bedbound...mineral deficiencies were found from hair samples sent to USA..from a UK holistic dental clinic....pesticides were found via a private doctor & through Biolab Medical Unit,DNOC, and MIREX were unusually high.....and heart problems through scans that were ignored by NHS and even the slightest hypothyroidism will affect heart. So the ME label means zilch to me or indeed most other diagnoses given to peoples. DHEA sublingual Douglas works best for me. It's so hard for anyone to travel if they are severely exhausted and indeed dangerous,but i'd do it to Shen if i was mildly fatigued and could afford to!

freedom1st
24-05-2010, 10:52 AM
Sorry to but in but Warwickshire is the home of Dr Skinner-he is hot on Clinical diagnosis as you know by now. Thyroid UK did recommened Apple Clinic but you'd have to Google cos Thyroid Urine and Adrenals Salva tests show up what is going on at tissue level and will get truth from these tests.

Blood changes every 45 seconds that is why if testing say for a virus it needs a quick run of three bloods to be drawn to find it and i had the Flu virus found years ago by this at an Immunology Clinic for ME in NHS but very controlled was the nice Specialist within NHS confines and could only give deathly EPD injections containing allergens that i personally was made very ill by so much so the second time i had my appointment i needed to be in a Cheshire Home and what a good thing as i went into shock and couldn't stop shivering and teeth chattering with severe pain to legs so now i'd say that this had lowered my thyroid function further. I won't go near the NHS anymore. Everything i had done to me was barbaric.

Shen Clinic sounds interesting though,we should all go live on the Isle of Wight!!...pity if there is not in-house accommodation like a retreat.... can the tests not be sent to the patient's home and use the District Nurse or GP surgery Nurse to draw bloods nearer home and then send by special delivery or whatever is quickest- with a special tube that keeps the blood good...just a thought, cos it's how i've lived for years. It's not the business to get people well within NHS. Functional medicine like maybe Dr Mancourani recommended as Advisor on Thyroid Patient Advocacy for anyone who cannot get to the Shen clinic and maybe she can do phone consultations.

Hi Blue,
Thanks for that. I'll look into it. I know what you're saying re: your ME. I've wondered if I have it but now know that my problems are more likely to be tyroid based. Similar symptoms though.
I agree we need some sort of retreat to get this done properly.
So would you recommend the Apple Clinic (where is that btw?) or this Dr Skinner in Warwickshire, who I haven't heard of btw?
Regards

pipsicle
24-05-2010, 12:41 PM
Dr Skinner is generally regarded as one of the greatest diagnosticians in the country by his patients. I have not met him but have bumped into several satisifed patients of his on here and elsewhere.

27 EU countries ban Iodine!
jdp710 on Sat Aug 15, 2009 8:33 am


Iodine, for many years used by walkers and mountaineers to disinfect water, will be banned in the European Union from autumn.

The ban means that, from 25 October retailers will no longer be allowed to sell or supply for use the substance. Some equipment manufacturers will also need to modify their gear in response to the ban. Chlorine tablets will still be available for the purpose.

The ban affects all 27 EU countries and was taken in response to US Center for Disease Control advice which says iodine should only be consumed in controlled doses for no more than a few weeks.

Pregnant women and those with thyroid problems were always advised against using the substance.

Generations of outdoors enthusiasts, military personnel and travellers have used iodine, producing its telltale yellow colouring, to kill bugs in drinking water. Alternatives include, as mentioned, chlorine tablets, though these produce a strong ‘swimming bath’ taste in treated water; boiling and devices using ultra-violet light and filtering.

The main risks from drinking untreated water come from bacteria, viruses and parasites such as giardia and cryptosporidium. There may also be chemicals present in water, though this is less likely in high mountain streams.

Industry insiders said the move could be followed by the United States and other countries.

freedom1st
24-05-2010, 01:06 PM
Dr Skinner is generally regarded as one of the greatest diagnosticians in the country by his patients. I have not met him but have bnumped into several satisifed patients of his on here and elsewhere.

27 EU countries ban Iodine!
jdp710 on Sat Aug 15, 2009 8:33 am


Iodine, for many years used by walkers and mountaineers to disinfect water, will be banned in the European Union from autumn.

The ban means that, from 25 October retailers will no longer be allowed to sell or supply for use the substance. Some equipment manufacturers will also need to modify their gear in response to the ban. Chlorine tablets will still be available for the purpose.

The ban affects all 27 EU countries and was taken in response to US Center for Disease Control advice which says iodine should only be consumed in controlled doses for no more than a few weeks.

Pregnant women and those with thyroid problems were always advised against using the substance.

Generations of outdoors enthusiasts, military personnel and travellers have used iodine, producing its telltale yellow colouring, to kill bugs in drinking water. Alternatives include, as mentioned, chlorine tablets, though these produce a strong ‘swimming bath’ taste in treated water; boiling and devices using ultra-violet light and filtering.

The main risks from drinking untreated water come from bacteria, viruses and parasites such as giardia and cryptosporidium. There may also be chemicals present in water, though this is less likely in high mountain streams.

Industry insiders said the move could be followed by the United States and other countries.

Do you have any contact details for Dr Skinner? I'll try googling it as well.
Thanks

pipsicle
24-05-2010, 01:15 PM
Hang about - I'll have a look in me mobile...

Tel: 01214 498895. His secretary is a very nice lady called Mrs Ahmed.

Surgery located at: 22 Alcester Road Moseley Birmingham B13 8BE

freedom1st
24-05-2010, 01:20 PM
Hang about - I'll have a look in me mobile...

Tel: 01214 498895. His secretary is a very nice lady called Mrs Ahmed.

Surgery located at: 22 Alcester Road Moseley Birmingham B13 8BE

You're a star - thank you so much.:)

I just rang and got through to the answering machine so left a message. Hopefully someone will call me back shortly.

I think there is some great info on this thread but for me personally I would like to see an expert to get a full examination and advice.

blue2
24-05-2010, 01:27 PM
Dr Skinner is generally regarded as one of the greatest diagnosticians in the country by his patients. I have not met him but have bnumped into several satisifed patients of his on here and elsewhere.

27 EU countries ban Iodine!
jdp710 on Sat Aug 15, 2009 8:33 am


Iodine, for many years used by walkers and mountaineers to disinfect water, will be banned in the European Union from autumn.

The ban means that, from 25 October retailers will no longer be allowed to sell or supply for use the substance. Some equipment manufacturers will also need to modify their gear in response to the ban. Chlorine tablets will still be available for the purpose.

The ban affects all 27 EU countries and was taken in response to US Center for Disease Control advice which says iodine should only be consumed in controlled doses for no more than a few weeks.

Pregnant women and those with thyroid problems were always advised against using the substance.

Generations of outdoors enthusiasts, military personnel and travellers have used iodine, producing its telltale yellow colouring, to kill bugs in drinking water. Alternatives include, as mentioned, chlorine tablets, though these produce a strong ‘swimming bath’ taste in treated water; boiling and devices using ultra-violet light and filtering.

The main risks from drinking untreated water come from bacteria, viruses and parasites such as giardia and cryptosporidium. There may also be chemicals present in water, though this is less likely in high mountain streams.

Industry insiders said the move could be followed by the United States and other countries.

Which proves one thing for me that the iodine is anti viral,anti,bacterial,anti fungal-used in pre surgery for skin....but is not for internal use the sort they use-as likely above one is/was. Magnascent Iodine i use cannot be shop bought and have used for couple yrs very safely along with underactive thyroid-for my correct diagnosis by Dr Skinner whom i have the greatest of admiration for as you know and whom GMC so tried to malign as i reiterate, but hundreds of patients wrote to support him-mine did get noted cos my son was included too about how he'd saved our lives and i certainly told truth about mistreatments via NHS-and because Dr Skinner researches with Viruses and cos he'd had a friend who had died of MND- and cos this was in my nearest family and i'd joined the MND and MG as well as ME organisations i did it at correct time as Dr Skinner had written a letter in the Thumbprint magazine about a Pilot study he wished to do at his own cost and if anyone had this disease or any relatives he'd be pleased to hear-so i wrote a short letter and as month later i received a very kind and polite letter back saying he would come to see me 8th October 2001, a month later.

I was all of a dither i can assure you not knowing what to expect and so very poorly and had to be carted around by wheelchair. I speak as i find. What a delightful Professional i found him to be,with a wry Scottish humour only Northerners may tune into and could be misconstrued by Southerners as slightly sarcastic,but truth more likely that some patients may not be able to accept, he said that patients who have been formerly diagnosed by NHS with say ME or whatever find it hard to accept a new diagnosis,i agree, but glad i was able to do as he suggested and keep open minded enough, but never the less i liked him. When i saw the silver BMW park just up the road and a very smart middle aged man get out from his car dressed in smart suit with waistcoat and carrying a Dr's bag of the old style i thought oh my....and an FOC visit.

He was cute enough to know what he was about and he asked my son to put on the light,of course i was thinking oh no i've got light sensitivity,and hearing too, i flinched,that was one symptoms,my son pulled me up for not being able to answer his questions directly but instead going all around the houses-just like here,it's another symptom, he said to my son it's ok it's a part of her illness, makes us good Writers though! I hasten to add i steered myself away from levothyroxine..and glad i did.

He noted how white as a ghost i was-pernicious anaemia, it was folic acid deficiency found by urine figilu test not bloods, he looked at my hands underside were red and tops were white, he looked at my tongue and could see it was enlarged and wavy around the edges-not had a doctor look at my tongue in as many years as i can recall since childhood mostly for diagnosis, and of course my hair was thinned to scalp. I had tests done but not through him, and bought Diana Holmes book Tears Behind Closed Doors,oddly there were just two of her books left on a book shop shelf in town, and although my concentration was very poor i somehow managed to read her book and thought goodness me that could easily be my story-then i used NPTech for tests but Ron Turner now at Lab21....it was easier in those days before people were being so threatened. He also suggested my son was tested...oh well another story,took a year of persuading,he was and NHS had got him down as Borderline unknown to even my son so years of unnecessary ill health cos he was full blown. Anyway this is quite enough here!

I will keep on using my Magnascent Iodine,from www.magnascent.com as only one with Patent pending as only one suitable for internal use/consumption really, and bioavailable. Absolutely no side effects and use diluted in filtered water. People find their own levels of treatment/drops with this. I wouldn't go near NHS ever again,rather die first.

freedom1st
24-05-2010, 01:37 PM
Which proves one thing for me that the iodine is anti viral,anti,bacterial,anti fungal-used in pre surgery for skin....but is not for internal use the sort they use. Magnascnet Iodine i use cannot be shop bought and have used for couple yrs very safely along with underactive thyroid-my correct diagnosis by Dr Skinner whom i have the greatest of admiration for and whom GMC so tried to malign but hundreds of patients wrote to support him-mine did get noted cos my son was included too-and because Dr Skinner researches with Viruses and cos he'd had a friend who had died of MND and cos this was in my nearest family and i'd joined the MND and MG as well as ME organisations i did it at correct time as Dr Skinner had written a letter in the Thumbprint magazine about a Pilot study he wished to do and if anyone had this disease or any relatives he'd be pleased to hear-so i wrote a short letter and as month later i received a very kind and polite letter back saying he would come to see me 8th October 2001..i was all of a dither i can assure you not knowing what to expect and so very poorly and had to be carted around by wheelchair. I speak as i find. What a delightful Professional i found him to be,with a wry Scottish humour only Northerners may tune into and could be misconstrued by Southerners as slightly sarcastic,but truth more likely that some patients may not be able to accept, he said that patients who have been formerly diagnosed by NHS with say ME or whatever find it hard to accept a new diagnosis,i agree, but glad i was able to do as he suggested and keep open minded enough, but never the less i liked him. When i saw the silver BMW park just up the road and a very smart middle aged man alite from his car dressed in smart suit with waistcoat and carrying a Dr's bag of the old style i thought oh my....and an FOC visit.

He was cute enough to know what he was about and he asked my son to put on the light,of course i was thinking oh no i've got light sensitivity,and hearing too, i flinched,that was one symptoms,my son pulled me up for not being able to answer his questions directly but instead going all around the houses-just like here,it's another symptom, he said to my son it's ok it's a part of her illness, makes us good Writers though!

He noted how white as a ghost i was-pernicious anaemia it was folic acid deficiency found by urine figilu test not bloods, he looked at my hands underside were red and tops were white, he looked at my tongue and could see it was enlarged and wavy around the edges-not had a doctor look at my tongue in as many years as i can recall since childhood mostly for diagnosis, and of course my hair was thinned to scalp. I had tests done and bought Diana Holmes book Tears Behind Closed Doors,oddly there were just two of her books left on a book shop shelf in town, and although my concentration was very poor i somehow managed to read her book and thought goodness me that could easily be my story-then i used NPTech for tests but Ron Turner now at Lab21....it was easier in those days before people were being so threatened. He also suggested my son was tested...oh well another story,took a year of persuading,he was and NHS had got him down as Borderline unknown to even my son so years of unnecessary ill health cos he was full blown. Anyway this is quite enough here!

I will keep on using my Magnascent Iodine,from www.magnascent.com as only one with Patent pending as only one suitable for internal use really and bioavailable. Absolutely no side effects and use diluted in filtered water. People find their own levels of treatment/drops with this. I wouldn't go near NHS ever again,rather die first.

That's encouraging blue.
So did Dr Skinner advise you to take the iodine?
Is he a naturopath or homeopath?

blue2
24-05-2010, 01:40 PM
Pipsicle where did you get the information from on the EU last year on Iodine ban?

pipsicle
24-05-2010, 01:58 PM
From here:-

http://immortalhair.forumandco.com/natural-hair-regrowth-forum-f1/27-eu-countries-ban-iodine-t1382.htm

gaias child
24-05-2010, 02:26 PM
Pipsicle where did you get the information from on the EU last year on Iodine ban?

They are doing lots of chipping away at things, in 2011 there is going to be a maximum permitted level allowed in all supplements, so in the UK, there will be further losses of supplements, and higher doses will only be prescribed by qualified doctors.

This is so the pharmaceutical companies can make more money out of them. They already own most of them anyway but this will mean they can charge extortionate prices.

This is already happening in Denmark with echinacea you can only get it on prescription

organic food standards are also being chipped away at, someone so many I know who run health/herbal/raw food websites get attacked, a person I am close too was told chia seeds were illegal, and was banned from selling them as they might be a health risk , chia seeds are one of the ancient miraculous health foods, so now I have to get them elsewhere as he does not bring them in and also that some herbs were illegal. They were told they couldn't sell them as organic in this country, even though they were grown as organic elsewhere unless they paid a large fee for organic certification, that is why so many small raw food website in this country now say chemcial free rather than organic. The bigger ones can afford the certification ie detoxyourworld

I also heard the government make a statement a while back that they were going to clamp down on chinese medicine due this woman who apparently died of bladder cancer due to chinese herb.

I think we need to think ahead, grow our own food, remineralise our soil with rock dust or ocean grown,get supplies of seeds as monsanto and the other companies are busy buying them all up to make them GM

mark1963
24-05-2010, 06:46 PM
From here:-

http://immortalhair.forumandco.com/natural-hair-regrowth-forum-f1/27-eu-countries-ban-iodine-t1382.htm

If the Codex limits had been adopted last year then the ban would have gone ahead.

The next Codex vitamin vote to adopt the stricter standards is I believe in October this year.

margaretr
25-05-2010, 08:09 AM
I started taking three drops of Lugols a day one week ago, and began adding dulse flakes to my home made bread.

I have to admit that I feel more alive now than I have done for two years.
I would like to say it is the iodine, and think it probably is, but I started following a 'eat right for your blood type' diet at the same time, so cannot be sure.

mark1963
25-05-2010, 05:50 PM
I started taking three drops of Lugols a day one week ago, and began adding dulse flakes to my home made bread.

I have to admit that I feel more alive now than I have done for two years.
I would like to say it is the iodine, and think it probably is, but I started following a 'eat right for your blood type' diet at the same time, so cannot be sure.

Probably a mixture. Good going - the iodine should give you immediate alert feeling in the morning upon waking.

pipsicle
27-05-2010, 06:49 PM
Well done, Margaret!

They are doing lots of chipping away at things, in 2011 there is going to be a maximum permitted level allowed in all supplements, so in the UK, there will be further losses of supplements, and higher doses will only be prescribed by qualified doctors.

This is so the pharmaceutical companies can make more money out of them. They already own most of them anyway but this will mean they can charge extortionate prices.



In my town, one of the four vitamin/mineral shops has now gone bust.

I went to get a Vega test for allergies and mineral deficiencies two days ago. The practitioner flinched every time I said the word "allergy". She later explained she had been forbidden from using this term, and now had to call dietary allergies "food sensitivities".

So freedom for natural medicine is being undermined at every level.

Mark, Gaia, Blue, do you know of any unambiguously successful challenges to codex alimentarius, legal or otherwise? If Iodine is as effective as people say, we can't allow it to be taken away.

mark1963
27-05-2010, 09:55 PM
Well done, Margaret!



In my town, one of the four vitamin/mineral shops has now gone bust.

I went to get a Vega test for allergies and mineral deficiencies two days ago. The practitioner flinched every time I said the word "allergy". She later explained she had been forbidden from using this term, and now had to call dietary allergies "food sensitivities".

So freedom for natural medicine is being undermined at every level.

Mark, Gaia, Blue, do you know of any unambiguously successful challenges to codex alimentarius, legal or otherwise? If Iodine is as effective as people say, we can't allow it to be taken away.

Codex is sneaky - what they do is a mixture of experiments and risk assessments.

So, first they determine the lowest amount that will not cause a great increase of the symptoms of iodine deficiency. And they keep chipping away at it year upon year until they know exactly how much is enough to keep us from getting goitre - generally.

At the same time they do these risk assessments stating they are doing all they can to determine "safe" levels. A risk assessment is the risk x probability on a 5 x 5 grid. And all the time they keep doing new ones to say - hey, we are preventing illness and overuse of a "potentially dangerous" product.

It's highly logical - but because of it we are all sub-clinically ill.

As far as fighting Codex goes - it's mostly in the US where this is happening. One company (cannot think of it at the moment) has a seat at the Vitamin Codex and last year defeated the planned restrictions on his own. It's due to come around again in October and this time they will have bought the votes, you can be sure.

http://www.naturalnews.com/Index.html - do a search for Codex.

I do not know of any true organisation in the EU doing this.

Ian R Crane does good talks on this:

http://www.ianrcrane.co.uk/

We desperately need to organise.

pipsicle
28-05-2010, 05:32 PM
Codex Threatens Health of Billions
Thursday, July 30, 2009 by: Barbara L. Minton, citizen journalist

(NaturalNews) Your right to eat healthy food and use supplements of your choice is rapidly vanishing, but every effort has been made to keep you in the dark about the coming nutricide. Codex Alimentarius is scheduled for full global implementation on December 31, 2009, and not a word has been spoken in main stream media about this threat to humanity. Yet, according to the projections based on figures from the World Health Organization (WHO) and the Food and Agriculture Organization (FAO), a minimum of 3 billion people will die from the Codex mandated vitamin and mineral guideline alone.

Former Nazi is father of contemporary Codex

Codex is the enemy of everyone except those who will profit from it. Codex has an association with those who committed crimes during the Nazi regime. At the end of World War II, the Nuremberg tribunal judged Nazis who had committed horrendous crimes against humanity and sentenced them to prison terms. One of those found guilty was the president of the megalithic corporation I.G. Farben, Hermann Schmitz. His company was the largest chemical manufacturing enterprise in the world, and had extraordinary political and economic power and influence with the Hitlerian Nazi state. Farben produced the gas used in the Nazi gas chambers, and the steel for the railroads built to transport people to their deaths.

While serving his prison term, Schmitz looked for an alternative to brute force for controlling people and realized that people could be controlled through their food supply. When he got out of prison, he went to his friends at the United Nations (UN) and laid out a plan to take over the control of food worldwide. A trade commission called Codex Alimentarius (Latin for food code) was re-created under the guise of it being a consumer protection commission. But Codex was never in the business of protecting people. It has always been about money and profits at the expense of people.

In 1962, the timetable was set for Codex to be fully implemented on a global level by December 31, 2009. Under Codex, committees were established to create guidelines on such topics as fish and fisheries, fats and oils, fruits and vegetables, ground nuts, nutrition, food for specialized uses, and vitamins and minerals. There were 27 committees in all, creating a huge bureaucracy. Under Codex there are over 4,000 guidelines and regulations on everything that can be put into your mouth with the exception of pharmaceuticals which are not regulated by Codex.

Codex is a weapon being used to reduce the level of nutrition worldwide

Codex is an industry dominated regulation setting organization, and as such has no legal standing. Participation in Codex is said to be voluntary. But Codex has risen to the level of de facto legal standing because Codex is administered by the WHO and FAO. They fund it and run it at the request of the UN. Since the WHO and FAO are supposed to be about health, there is conflict of interest. The committees of Codex work up guidelines, rules and regulations, and present them to a Codex commission for ratification. Once they are ratified and approved by consensus, they become mandatory standards for any country that is a member of the WHO.

Codex was accepted when the WTO was formed in 1994 as a means of harmonizing food standards globally for easy trade between countries. As a result, countries must harmonize with Codex if they want to have any standing in a trade dispute. When disputes arise and countries are pulled in to WTO, the one that is Codex compliant automatically wins, regardless of the merits of its case.

Codex has become a weapon to make every nation scurry to become compliant to its mandated decline in nutritional standards. Compliance in the U.S. will mark the end of its consumer protection laws. Codex will not serve consumers. Codex will serve the interests of the medical, pharmaceutical, biotechnology, chemical, and big agricultural industries.

Under Codex, nutrients are classified as poisons

The Dietary Substances Health and Education Act (DSHEA), was signed into law in 1994 for the purpose of ensuring that safe and appropriately labeled products would remain available to those who wanted to use them. In the findings associated with this law, Congress stated that there may be a positive relationship between sound dietary practice and good health, and a connection between dietary supplement use, reduced health-care expenses, and disease prevention. Under DSHEA, nutrients and herbs are classified as food. There is no upper limit set, and access is freely given. Americans are allowed to have any nutrients they want, because under English common law, anything that is not expressly forbidden is permitted.

Codex, on the other hand, is based on Napoleonic law and is much more restrictive. In 1994, the same year DSHEA was signed, Codex had nutrients declared to be toxic and poisonous. And as poisons, they claimed people must be protected from them through the use of toxicology and risk assessment, under which scientists test small doses on animals until they are able to discern an impact. They then take the first sign of the most minimal impact and divide this amount by 100 to establish a safety margin required from these poisons. This means that the largest dose of any nutrient allowed under Codex is 1/100th of the amount shown to produce the first discernable impact.

Nutrients allowed under Codex are limited to those on the positive list, expected to contain only 18 nutrients, one of them being fluoride*. Although fluoride has no biological benefit whatsoever, it does make people complacent.

The Codex proponents now have several bills before Congress designed to overturn and get rid of DSHEA. Once this is accomplished, the U.S. will have been harmonized with the vitamin and mineral guidelines of codex. High potency, therapeutically effective, significant nutrients will then be illegal in the way that heroin is illegal. They will not even be available by prescription.

Codex supports toxic food additives, pesticides and GM foods

Codex poses a significant threat to the food supply, according to Dr. Robert Verkerk, founder and director of the Alliance for Natural Health. About 300 dangerous food additives that are mainly synthetic will be allowed under Codex, including aspartame, BHA, BHT, potassium bromate, tartrazine, and more. Dr. Verkerk is particularly concerned that no consideration has been given to potential risks associated with long-term exposure to mixtures of additives.

Codex sets limits for the dangerous industrial chemicals that can be used in food, but they are incredibly high, and the list of chemicals that can be used is long. In 2001, 176 countries including the U.S. got together and decided that 12 highly toxic organic chemicals, known as persistent organic pollutants (POPS), were so bad that they had to be banned. There are many more than 12 toxic chemicals used on food, but these 12 were unanimously declared to be the worst. Of these, 9 are pesticides.

Under Codex, 7 of the 9 forbidden POPS will again be allowed in the production of food. All together, Codex allows over 3,275 different pesticides, including those that are suspected carcinogens or endocrine disrupters. There is no consideration of the long-term effects of exposure to mixtures of pesticide residues in food.

Organic food governance will be dumbed down to suit the interests of large food producers. Various synthetic chemical additives and processing aids will be allowed, and food labeled as organic may be irradiated. Labeling will permit the use of hidden, non-organic ingredients.

Monsanto, a member of Codex, will benefit greatly as production of genetically modified (GM) foods are stepped up and more GM plants are given the green light. Terminator seeds will be approved for international trade. GM food animals will also be on the way.

Under Codex, every dairy animal can be treated with growth hormone, and all animals in the food chain will be treated with sub-clinical levels of antibiotics. Codex will lead to the required irradiation of all foods with the exception of those grown locally and sold raw.

Codex is food regulations that are in fact the legalization of mandated toxicity and under-nutrition. Of the 3 billion people initially expected to die as the result of the Codex vitamin and mineral guidelines, 2 billion of them will die from the preventable diseases that result from under-nutrition, such as cancer, cardiovascular disease, diabetes, and many others. Those who will live will be the wealthy elites who are able to somehow provide themselves with sources of clean food and other nutrients.

Codex is legalized genocide

Dr. Gregory Damato, Ph.D., writing for Natural News, has characterized Codex as "population control for money". He sees Codex as run by the U.S. and controlled by the big pharmaceutical corporations and the likes of Monsanto with the purpose of reducing the population of the world to a level considered sustainable by those promulgating the New World Order. This would mean a reduction of approximately 93 percent of the current world population.

Once Codex standards are adopted there will be no turning back. When Codex compliance is instigated in any area, as long as the country remains a member of the WTO, those standards cannot be repealed, or altered in any way.

The time for modifying Codex guidelines is rapidly disappearing

Some hope remains. Over the years, the WTO has accepted Codex standards as presumptive evidence of the rules of trade between countries. However, several times in history, the WTO has refused to make Codex the single and only standard to be used in trade disputes. Under Codex`s own statutes, their guidelines are claimed to be "advisory", and nations are able to set up their own guidelines as long as they are more restrictive than those of Codex.

Since compliance with Codex standards is simply presumptive evidence, and not finally determinative, a nation can opt out of the guidelines in an effort to protect its traditional foods and remedies. The Codex two step process is a legal strategy developed to help nations wanting to do this. Under step one, the country develops its own food and health guidelines that may be at variance with Codex guidelines. For example, it may be much stricter on the issues of toxins in the food supply or on the issue of genetically modified foods. It may require, for example, that companies using GM ingredients be required to indicate them on food labels. In countries that refuse to use GM foods, this can be indicated on their label too, so that people can make informed choices. The second step is to adopt a national law that implements those guidelines on a sound scientific basis.

Normally, in a trade dispute before the WTO, the country that has adopted Codex guidelines will be the winner of that dispute based on those guidelines being presumptive evidence. However, when countries have gone through the two step process to create their own guidelines, there is no such presumption, and the WTO will look at the science behind the guidelines.

In the U.S. the door is open to Codex

In 1995, the FDA issued a policy statement saying that international standards such as Codex would supersede U.S. laws governing all food. Under the Central American Free Trade Agreement, which is illegal under current U.S. law, but is legal under international law, the U.S. is required to conform to Codex as it stands on December 31, 2009, unless it creates its own guidelines and gets them approved under the two step process. Given current government sentiment, this seems unlikely. Besides, as guidelines are one-by-one chiseled into standards, time is running out.


*This is like some horrible joke

mark1963
29-05-2010, 02:10 PM
This is an interview from the end of February 2010, it's excellent:

Salt & Iodine Enhance Your Health

Part 1 of 4
Salt & Iodine Enhance Your Health (1/4) - YouTube
Part 2 of 4
Salt & Iodine Enhance Your Health (2/4) - YouTube
Part 3 of 4
Salt & Iodine Enhance Your Health (3/4) - YouTube
Part 4 of 4
YouTube - Broadcast Yourself.

blue2
29-05-2010, 02:31 PM
I'm sure a few months ago a friend of mine in NZ said that Codex did not win to stop the herbals etc. I do not buy any supplements from health food stores, or even online uk.... and i recall months ago Mark Sircus saying to stock up on Iodine,magnascent that is. The Bicarb of Soda and Magnesium Chloride oil....i know i signed two online Petitions one International and one my friend in NZ sent to me...

blue2
29-05-2010, 02:38 PM
That's encouraging blue.
So did Dr Skinner advise you to take the iodine?
Is he a naturopath or homeopath?

Oh goodness me no! I've learned as i've gone along and researched and know someone who imports for lot of years..but he Dr Skinner clincially diagnosed me correctly much to the disgust and jealousy from other so called doctors.He made no money from me but i am indebted to oreserving his good name as he saved our lives. I do not need doctors now! i self treat and that of my son.Iodine is needed by thyroid to work better it's a mineral.

The Seer Centre sell Rock Dust for remineralising soil in garden so people can grow own veges. I utilise my dandelion leaves-yes i'm actually loathe to get rid of them!! Homemade soups and salads wouldn't be same without!

xpleet
29-05-2010, 02:51 PM
It's sad to see people falling for this.

Here in Germany The System adds to to diary and salt (together with fluoride), potassium iodate which is a poison.

The problem is that people think that when they take something like calcium carbonate they'd be supplementing their bodies with calcium - wrong. Metabolism is more complicated than this.
At best there is 0 effect from supplementing one's body with these kind of drugs.


kind regards,

Paul

blue2
29-05-2010, 03:16 PM
I started taking three drops of Lugols a day one week ago, and began adding dulse flakes to my home made bread.

I have to admit that I feel more alive now than I have done for two years.
I would like to say it is the iodine, and think it probably is, but I started following a 'eat right for your blood type' diet at the same time, so cannot be sure.

Trouble is the gluten and i was told that bread gets rid of iodine from the body-i guess it's like a sponge...sucks it up. But still a good beginning getting away from shop bought poison. So long as its organic flour and not shop/supermarket bought. My ideal flour is stoneground by Little Salkeld Mill and Special Blend, Spelt too. Can be accessed online too and good health food stores,small family ones not the big nationals. Lairds Larder at Houghton Hall Garden Centre sell it usually too. I like to add in shelled hemp seeds to this flour and half lard, or trex/Pure sunflower marg..makes lovely crunchy pastry.

margaretr
29-05-2010, 05:00 PM
Trouble is the gluten and i was told that bread gets rid of iodine from the body-i guess it's like a sponge...sucks it up. But still a good beginning getting away from shop bought poison. So long as its organic flour and not shop/supermarket bought. My ideal flour is stoneground by Little Salkeld Mill and Special Blend, Spelt too. Can be accessed online too and good health food stores,small family ones not the big nationals. Lairds Larder at Houghton Hall Garden Centre sell it usually too. I like to add in shelled hemp seeds to this flour and half lard, or trex/Pure sunflower marg..makes lovely crunchy pastry.

I do use organic flour.(make brioche -using eggs & butter)
I am surprised that you use trans fats :eek: ie margarine, which is an artificial fat.
The only fats I ever consume are olive oil and butter.

gaias child
30-05-2010, 06:37 AM
I'm sure a few months ago a friend of mine in NZ said that Codex did not win to stop the herbals etc. I do not buy any supplements from health food stores, or even online uk.... and i recall months ago Mark Sircus saying to stock up on Iodine,magnascent that is. The Bicarb of Soda and Magnesium Chloride oil....i know i signed two online Petitions one International and one my friend in NZ sent to me...

Codex is being snuck in through the back door. As they lost in 1995. They use divisive tactics including controlled opposition groups like the one run by Rima Laibow natural solutions and also citizens for health which whilst claiming to be opposing codex are working in interests of codex and pharmacetical companies.

99% of mainstream supplements are owned by pharmaceutical companies. These so called natural supplements are synthetic even though are described as natural and have toxic exipients.

Most and almonds and sunflower seeds including organic coming from the US or china are pasteurised , which is the sneaky word for irradiated.

Flax seed has been found to contaminated with GM in 25 different countries. I'm glad I use chia seed, a friend of mine was fined for bringing chia seed in and banned from selling it, although there are still some places they have not caught up with yet.

http://www.organicconsumers.org/articles/article_20791.cfm

There are very few that are natural. Q RX, are mostly natural, vitamin code raw nutrients, pure synergy, harmonic innerprizes, lifegive, minerals are easier, ie humic and fulvic are natural ionic human bio resonance mineral sources


Now cherries and walnuts are the latest foods to have now been declared as drugs by the FDA, because they have been clinically proven to lower cholestrol

http://foodfreedom.wordpress.com/2010/05/27/health-products-under-fire-as-fda-attacks-walnuts-cherries-and-more/

ozpixie
31-05-2010, 05:12 AM
Apology if this has already been asked but if Betadine is the only kind of iodine derivative available will dropping it on the wrist help with a deficiency?

mark1963
31-05-2010, 03:25 PM
Apology if this has already been asked but if Betadine is the only kind of iodine derivative available will dropping it on the wrist help with a deficiency?

I am not a fan of the skin method of absorption as it has not been proven yet.

You could try it for a week and see if there are any changes.

Please let us know. :)

dalem
02-06-2010, 01:54 AM
Dr John Douillard on Iodine, article taken from his website.
Much of it has probably been said before but nonetheless very interesting.
Also interesting to note that he recommends Iodoral , but in my opinion Lugol's will be just as efficient at the correct dose.


Iodine Deficiency Linked to Cancer Part 1 - YouTube

Iodine Deficiencies Linked to Cancer Part 2 - YouTube


Why is Iodine So Important?
Benefits of Iodine While most of us are aware that iodine is a precursor to making thyroid hormones, the role of iodine only begins with the thyroid. Iodine receptors exist in each of the many trillions of cells in the body and regulate cellular function like the movement of nutrition into the cell and the lymph drainage of toxins out of each cell. Iodine was first used therapeutically as an antibiotic for fighting infections in the 1800's. Even today, before surgery, doctors rub the area with iodine, not Neosporin, to protect against infection. As iodine is our natural antiseptic, we can be at increased risk of infection if we have lowe levels in our blood. In my own practice I have seen the optimization of iodine levels stop the eruption of chronic staph infections in numerous patients and it may play a role in the prevention and treatment of MRSA, a virulent and resistant form of staph infection.

Protects Against Heavy Metals, Chemicals & Toxins
Maybe even more important is the role of iodine in protecting cells from the chemical and toxic load that has reached unprecedented levels in our environment. Chlorine(4), bromine(5) and fluorine(6),(7) are halogens like iodine, but can be carcinogenic in high concentrations. When iodine levels are low, our body's empty iodine receptors pick up these other halogens or their chemical byproducts and cause toxic exposure and toxin related diseases. Heavy metals, environmental pollutants, pesticides, out-gassing furniture, carpets, pollutants, pesticides, estrogen, and many other cancer causing pollutants also compete for these iodine receptors. These toxins compromise iodine levels needed to support thyroid function, cellular metabolism, hormonal balance, and many other cellular functions.

Since Chernobyl and the increase of nuclear energy, radioactive iodines have been released into the global environment. These radioactive iodines compete for iodine receptors as well and can cause cancer and rob the body of functional iodine. Thyroid cancer has risen steadily. Prior to Chernobyl there were no reported cases of childhood thyroid cancer and today it is the fastest growing cancer in children. After Chernobyl people for hundreds of miles around that area were given potassium iodide pills to fill their iodine receptors and protect the individuals from radiation poisoning. An iodine deficiency will put each person at risk for dangerous toxic and radiation uptake that can damage the thyroid and other iodine sensitive tissues like the breast, prostate, brain, gastric mucosa, salivary glands, cerebral spinal fluid and ovaries.

Why We Are Iodine Deficient
Causes of Iodine DeficiencyWhen the thyroid becomes dangerously low in iodine it will reach out, enlarge, and expand in an attempt to grab onto any available iodine and cause a swollen thyroid gland called a goiter. Currently the FDA has set the RDA for iodine at 150 mcg which was clearly enough to eradicate the epidemic of goiter that plagued certain iodine deficient areas of America in the early 1900's. Current data indicates, however, that the RDA was never enough to protect us from thyroid disease, toxic exposure and certain cancers.

In 1924 the state of Michigan studied 66,000 school age children of whom 40% had goiter. After the introduction of iodized salt into the diet, by 1928, 75% of all kids with goiter were cured. By 1950, iodine deficient goiter disease was basically eradicated(8).

While iodized salt offered enough iodine to eradicate goiter disease, it appeared that iodized salt never delivered enough iodine to adequately support thyroid function, leaving more than 10% of the American population with thyroid disease. Today breast and thyroid cancers and a host of toxin related diseases can be linked to iodine deficiency(9).

Salt is unfortunately not the greatest carrier of iodine. After salt is exposed to air for 4 weeks, the salt shaker loses 100% of its iodine content. Because salt has been condemned by the medical establishment as a risk factor for high blood pressure and heart disease, salt consumption, and thus ingestion of iodine, is way down(10).

In addition, most health conscious folk have stopped using refined iodized salt because it is loaded with aluminum and leaches minerals out of the body. Most people have switched to sea salt or a mineral salt which only contains trace amounts of iodine, if any.

Probably the biggest blow to our dietary iodine levels was in 1980 when iodine stopped being used as a dough conditioner in baked goods. From 1960 to 1980 1 slice of bread would fulfill the RDA requirements for iodine because it was in all baked goods. Sadly the iodine in bread was replaced with bromide, which is a toxic halogen that competes with iodine for iodine receptors. Not only did bromide replace iodine in our diet, it has literally been robbing iodine from our cells and the thyroid, which explains the significant comeback of goiter disease.

Fluoridated and Chlorinated Water Depletes Iodine
It doesn't stop here: fluoridated and chlorinated water compete with and deplete iodine. Fluoride is in toothpaste and chlorine is in every flame retardant fabric, your shower, hot tub, and pool. Combine this with the lack of iodine in the soil and quickly iodine deficiency has become a major health concern.

While these halogens have a direct affinity for iodine receptors - almost all fat soluble toxins in our environment compete for these receptors as well. This includes radiation, heavy metals, pollutants, pesticides, estrogen, and more.

Iodine Helps to Prevent Cancer
In Japan, where the rate of breast cancer is one of the lowest in the world, they consume very large amounts of iodine daily. While our RDA is just 15% of 1 milligram, the average Japanese person ingests 13.8 mg of iodine each day which is more than 100 times our RDA. Based on these findings and today's toxic load, many experts are suggesting that about 12 mg of Iodine per day is necessary for optimal metabolic function and cancer prevention(11).

The Japanese have one of the longest life expectancies in the world of age 81 for women and very low levels of breast, endometrial and ovarian cancer. They also have very low levels of fibrocystic breast disease. The link between low iodine levels and incidence of breast cancer has been known for 50 years(12). Japanese men have significantly lower levels of prostate cancer and very low levels of thyroid disease, which is epidemic in the U.S.

It is well known that the increased exposure to estrogens from plastics, a toxic environment, and synthetic Hormone Replacement Therapy have significantly increased the risk of cancer. Optimized iodine levels have been shown to decrease gene responsiveness to toxic estrogen, preventing the risk of cancer(13). Research also indicates that iodine increases apoptosis - timed cell death for cancer cells(14). And it correctly balances the concentration of estrogens in the body by building the amount of cancer preventing estrogen (estriol) and decreasing harmful estrogens (estrone) and (estrodiol)(15).

Since 1980, the start of our iodine deficiency, thyroid diseases have become very common and taking thyroid medicine has become so excepted that sadly we don't even consider it a disease anymore.

Symptoms of Iodine Deficiency
Symptoms of Iodine DeficiencyThe most common symptoms of an iodine deficiency are related to hypo thyroidism - low thyroid function. Unfortunately this is not always picked up on a blood test. Most doctors do a thyroid screening with a blood test called TSH, Thyroid Stimulating Hormone. TSH is produced at higher levels when the thyroid is not keeping up. The TSH rises to trigger the thyroid to make more thyroid hormone. Because .465 - 4.68 uIU/mLis considered normal, most doctors won't treat you even if you may still have thyroid symptoms. Today there is a growing consensus that a TSH greater than 2 is an indication of low thyroid.

If you are experiencing fatigue, intolerance of cold, cold hands and feet, foggy thinking, increased need for sleep, dry skin, thinning hair, and constipation you may have an iodine deficiency. This can cause low thyroid and put you at risk of toxic exposure and certain cancers.

Food Sources of Iodine
Iodine Rich FoodsDiets that are at risk for iodine deficiency include those void of ocean fish and sea vegetables, reduced salt or consuming sea salt replacements instead, rich in baked goods containing bromide that deplete iodine, and vegetarian and vegan diets. Meats and dairy farms use iodine to disinfect equipment and thus eating meat and dairy offers a steady dose of iodine. Vegetarians who get their nutrition from iodine depleted soils have significantly low levels of iodine. In one study, iodine deficiency was noted in 25% of vegetarians and a whopping 80% of vegans, compared with only 9% of individuals who ate a mixed diet with meat and dairy(16).

Iodine Rich Foods include: Sea Vegetables, Cereal, Dairy, Fish (cod, sea bass, haddock, perch), meat, eggs, bread, beans, (poultry).

Why Iodine Supplements Are Essential
If iodine levels are deficient, the trace amount obtained from your diet may not be enough to correct a deficiency and offer you adequate protection. The newest clinical data indicates that if you are iodine deficient, the most effective dose to re-saturate the iodine receptors may be 50 mg of iodine per day for 3 months, followed with a maintenance dose of 12 mg per day.


If you are on thyroid medication, which tells your body not to uptake iodine, you are at a greater risk for breast and thyroid cancer. It is thus very important to increase your iodine intake.

Ayurvedic Herbs Found to Support Thyroid
Ashwaganda is perhaps one of the most effective adaptogens in the herbal world. Its ability to rejuvenate, fight stress and restore balanced function to the body is unprecedented. It can boost energy and promote better sleep. It has been used to reset thyroid function in both hypo and hyper conditions.
Take 500mg to 1500mg in the morning for three months.

Guggul and Manjistha: Guggul is an herb most famous for lowering cholesterol, but it also forces the release of toxins from fat cells. When the thyroid becomes toxic from poor drainage to the cervical lymph, it loses its communication and circulation ability. Guggul will detoxify the thyroid. Manjistha will stimulate lymph drainage.
Take 500 - 1000 mg of each after meals, twice a day.

These herbs combined, with proper iodine support, offer an environment for healthy thyroid function and iodine optimization.

Iodine Supports the Lymphatic System and Breast Health
Iodine is a natural lymph mover because it boosts cellular metabolism. When the lymph becomes congested certain lymph sensitive tissues react. The breasts will swell during menses which indicates that lymph drainage from the breast is compromised. When the lymph becomes congested the cells cannot remove their waste and the white blood cells in the lymph and the immune system become stuck in traffic. This can make the breasts toxic because they are an area of lymph concentration.
When the lymph system slows down, the effected tissues improvise because they can't bring in new oxygen rich blood. If the body loses adequate blood flow - often due to poor lymph drainage - the ovaries can make a cyst, the uterus can make a fibroid tumor, the breast can become lumpy or the muscles will become filled with fibrous scar tissue (a tissue that doesn't use very much blood to function). Fibromyalgia is caused by fibrous tissues that are built up in the muscle due to stress, muscle tension and compromised blood flow to the muscles. People with fibromyalgia experience pain because every time they move, this thick fibrous scar tissue tears.

Symptoms of Iodine-Deficient Lymphatic Congestion

Iodine deficient lymph congestion, which compromises toxic waste removal, is a fundamental imbalance that can predispose one to cellular dysplasia or cancer. In Ayurveda we always check the drains first. How well are you moving your lymph? Do you have rashes, sore joints, aching hands and feet, cold hands and feet, swollen or sore breasts, swollen belly, cellulite, sore throats, allergies, headaches or chronic colds. Perhaps the most classic symptoms of an iodine deficiency combined with a gross lymphatic congestion are: fibrocystic breast disease, ovarian cysts, uterine fibroids, or fibromyalgia.

If you have any of these conditions or symptoms, consider following the steps below to confirm an iodine deficiency and take Manjistha, which is a powerful lymphatic system de-stagnator. This can be taken 500-1000 mg after meals, twice a day, for three months to flush the lymph while you are restoring your iodine levels.

Are You Iodine Deficient?
Step 1: Take your first morning temperatures under your arm before getting out of bed for one week and find the average. If it is below (97.3) F you may have low thyroid.
Step 2: Check your TSH (Thyroid Stimulating Hormone) levels. If they are above 2 uIU/ml, it indicates low thyroid function. This is standard on most blood tests.

Step 3: Evaluate symptoms mentioned above for iodine deficiency, hypothyroid and lymphatic congestion.

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NOTE: If your thyroid has always tested normal, your first morning temperature is normal and you haven't recently begun experiencing any of the classic symptoms of hypo-thyroid (like fatigue, intolerance of cold, cold hands and feet, foggy thinking, increased need for sleep, dry skin, thinning hair, and constipation) then your thyroid may be functioning well but you may still be iodine deficient and accumulating cellular toxicity.

Step 4: The most accurate test to determine an iodine deficiency is the 24 Hour Urinary Iodine Load Test. You take a 50 mg tablet of iodine and collect urine for 24 hours, then send it to a to a lab to be evaluated. If you have iodine sensitivity from eating shell fish or lobster consult with me first. If you find yourself low in iodine please schedule a phone consult with me to be supervised or follow the iodine protocol as follows. >>> Order Now

Step 5: While the only 100% accurate test for iodine is the 24 Hour Urinary Load Test, the Iodine Spot test can usually pick up a gross deficiency. If there are any health concerns, I strongly suggest the 24 hour urinary iodine load test.

Iodine Spot Test: To do a spot test, use a q-tip to apply a 2-inch thick square of 2% Iodine Tincture (found in the firstaid section of the grocery store) on your inner forearm. Monitor how many hours it takes for the patch to totally fade. If your iodine levels are normal the iodine spot will take 24 hours to fade. If it fades in less than 12 hours, consider further testing or treatment. Some people find that it is helpful to set their watch or cell phone to beep every hour as a reminder to check their patch. Water does rinse off the spot test, so wait to bathe, swim, etc until the patch has faded on its own. Best to apply it first thing in the morning after a shower.

Step 6: Iodine Therapy
The best and most effective product I have found to reverse an iodine deficiency is a product called Iodoral, which has 12 mg of iodine per tablet. If you have confirmed your iodine levels are low, follow these instructions:

1. Cut the Iodoral tablet in half and take one half tablet for one week to be sure you do not have any iodine sensitivities. If you are iodine sensitive (usually results in a rash) - this usually means you need to de-stagnate your lymphatic system before you can optimize your iodine levels. (See details on my web site or in this article).
2. If no sensitivity has occurred in the first week, take 4 Iodoral per day for 3 months to fully saturate the iodine receptors and flush out competing toxins.
3. Maintain Iodine levels with 1 tablet of Iodoral each day or increase your intake of sea vegetables with the Sea Vegetable Blend.

References

1. Hollowell, JE et al. Iodine Nutrition in the United States. National Health and Nutrition Examination Surveys I and III. J Clin Endocrinol Metab, 83:3401-3408. 1998
2. Brownstein, Iodine, Why You Need It. Medical Alternative press, 2009. p 50
3. WHO IBOD 12 Nov. 1998
4. Epidemiology. 1998;9(1): 21-28, 29-35
5. Brownstein, Iodine, Why You Need It. Medical Alternative press, 2009. pg 119
6. 35th Annual Meeting of Society for Epidemiological Research, Seattle WA. June 2000
7. Brownstein, Iodine, Why You Need It. Medical Alternative press, 2009, pg 119
8. Kimball, O.P. Prevention of Goiter In Michagan and Ohio. JAMA 1937;108:860-864
9. Flechas, J. Orthoiodosupplementation in primary care practice. The Original Internist. 12(2):89-96, 2005
10. Environ Sci Technol. 2008, Feb 15;42(4)::1315-23
11. Abraham, G.E. Orthoiodosupplementation, The Original Internist, 9:30-41, 2002
12. Bogardus, aG. Surgery. 1960, 49,461.
13. Int J. of Med. Sci. 2008 5:189-96
14. Vitale, M. Iodide excess induces apoptosis in thyroid cells. Endocrin, 141. 2000.
15. Wright Jonathan. Presentated at ACAM. Nov, 2005. Anaheim CA
16. Ann Nutr Metab. 2003;47(5):183-185

dalem
02-06-2010, 01:57 AM
I have worked up to 50mg per day now for a three month plan of saturation.
What doses are other members taking and are you seeing benefits?
Would be interesting if you could let us know.

PS just to mention an important factor when measuring Iodine from a dropper:

Assuming a 5% solution of Lugol's Iodine (although mine is 7%)
One vertical drop of Lugol's Iodine at 5% is equal to approx 6.25 mg.
Always hold the dropper vertically as holding it on a slant can increase the dose by as much as 100%

oneofthemasses
02-06-2010, 03:12 AM
Trouble is the gluten and i was told that bread gets rid of iodine from the body-i guess it's like a sponge...sucks it up. But still a good beginning getting away from shop bought poison. So long as its organic flour and not shop/supermarket bought. My ideal flour is stoneground by Little Salkeld Mill and Special Blend, Spelt too. Can be accessed online too and good health food stores,small family ones not the big nationals. Lairds Larder at Houghton Hall Garden Centre sell it usually too. I like to add in shelled hemp seeds to this flour and half lard, or trex/Pure sunflower marg..makes lovely crunchy pastry.

Spelt is NOT gluten free. I have Celiac Disease so I am sure of that. You are still consuming gluten if you eat spelt, or any other related grain.

Also a warning, most organic breads of any kind are NOT gluten free.

If anyone wants a listing of GF breads in North America, PM me.

Edit: Here is a list of gluten free grains, I believe this one is American:

http://www.csaceliacs.org/gluten_grains.php

oneofthemasses
02-06-2010, 03:22 AM
freedom1st - blue2 is correct.

If you had no thyroid gland you would have met your maker long ago. I'm afraid you have been told a pack of lies.

Armour has had very good reports - I'm not taking it so somewhere like curezone may have the information you want.

Iodine is needed all over the body, muscles, brain, bones. You need it and it will take out much of the crap - fluoride, bromide, chloride, mercury that has accumulated.

Just ask yourself why the Japanese have relative good health compared to us in the West. Seafood.

This is SORT OF true. If the poster has autoimmune thyroid disease hypothyroidism (called Hashimoto's Thyroiditis), her immune system has destroyed her thyroid gland. This can happen over time or suddenly.

This is the most common form of hypothyroidism in North America (low iodine is the most common form in other countries).

Nobody knows the cause, but genetics play a role in susceptibility in most cases. The trigger may be a viral infection infecting the thyroid gland, reactions to food (soy and excess iodine have been linked to causing autoimmune hypothyroid), or chemicals/toxins in the environment.

Once the thyroid gland has antibodies against it, and once it becomes destroyed, the person no longer has a functioning thyroid gland and in severe cases must be on full does of replacement thyroid hormone for life or they will go into a coma and die.

I have had Hashimoto's since I was 10 years old. My thyroid gland has been replaced by scar tissue. I take Desiccated Thyroid (Erfa) which is called Armour in the US and UK.

I still am really sick with this condition, so I'm considering chelation therapy. I have Celiac (genetically related to autoimmune thyroid disease) so I am gluten free as well.

Anyone here try chelation? My thyroid is already destroyed, so I'll always be on meds. However, I would like to reduce the antibodies my body still makes against thyroid hormone.

aventurine
02-06-2010, 10:50 AM
Great thread :) I have just woken up to the whole thyroid issue - my symptoms have been getting worse & worse for over 3 years now.

I noticed no-one has mentioned coconut oil as a potential help for this problem, so I just thought I would throw it into the mix, lol:

http://articles.mercola.com/sites/articles/archive/2003/11/08/thyroid-health-part-two.aspx

http://www.earthclinic.com/CURES/thyroid.html#COCONUTOIL (about half way down the page)

I have just re-started my coconut oil regimen after getting terrible stomach cramps from it before (using about 1-2 tablespoons per day) I am starting at one teaspoon & building up gradually. So far so good! I have also ordered some kelp and take a small dose of bicarbonate of soda daily. I will definately be getting some lugols or similar strength iodine after reading this, but want to build up gradually (using the kelp first) after my nightmare experience with the coconut oil, lol.:eek:

mark1963
02-06-2010, 01:53 PM
An article stating the truth about thyroid - it heals itself if left alone (generally):

http://www.naturalnews.com/028912_thyroid_cancer_treatment.html

Vast majority of people survive common thyroid cancer even without treatment

Wednesday, June 02, 2010 by: S. L. Baker, features writer



(NaturalNews) Mainstream medicine has reported in recent years that the incidence of papillary thyroid cancer -- the most common form of thyroid malignancy -- is growing at an alarming rate. In fact, the number of people diagnosed with this form of cancer, which typically arises as an irregular mass in an otherwise normal thyroid gland, has tripled over the past three decades. But a new study by Dartmouth Medical School researchers has come up with good news about this so-called "epidemic".

First of all, the cases of papillary thyroid cancer have most likely only appeared to increase -- simply because of the huge surge in the use of ultrasound tests and biopsies. And it turns out the vast majority of people with this cancer survive it just fine, even if they receive no treatment at all.

Background information included in the study, which was just published in the May issue of the Archives of Otolaryngology, Head & Neck Surgery explains that papillary thyroid cancer is commonly found on autopsy among people who died of other causes. "Studies published as early as 1947 demonstrated it, and more recently, a report has shown that nearly every thyroid gland might be found to have a cancer if examined closely enough," the study authors wrote. "The advent of ultrasonography and fine-needle aspiration biopsy has allowed many previously undetected cancers to be identified, changing the epidemiology of the disease. Over the past 30 years, the detected incidence of thyroid cancer has increased three-fold, the entire increase attributable to papillary thyroid cancer and 87% of the increase attributable to tumors measuring less than 2 centimeters."

Louise Davies, M.D., of Dartmouth Medical School and Gilbert Welch, M.D., of the Dartmouth Institute for Health Policy and Clinical Practice, investigated thyroid cancer cases and gathered data about the patients' treatment from National Cancer Institute (NCI) registries. Then they looked for causes of death through the National Vital Statistics System.

The researchers found that out of 35,663 people with papillary thyroid cancer which had not spread to the lymph nodes or other areas at diagnosis, 440 (1.2 percent) did not undergo immediate, definitive treatment (i.e. surgery). Six years later, follow-up research showed that only six of these patients had died of their cancer. This was virtually the same rate of cancer deaths among the 35,223 individuals who did undergo treatment, which involved having part or all of their thyroids removed.

Specifically, the 20-year survival rate from cancer was 97 percent for those who did not receive treatment and 99 percent for those who did -- a slight difference the Dartmouth scientists noted was not statistically significant. Bottom line: almost everyone diagnosed with papillary thyroid cancer of any size confined to the thyroid survived whether they had treatment or not.

"Thus, clinicians and patients should feel comfortable considering the option to observe for a year or longer cancers that fall into this category," the researchers concluded.

For more information:
http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/... (http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/20479371)

mark1963
02-06-2010, 02:00 PM
Great thread :) I have just woken up to the whole thyroid issue - my symptoms have been getting worse & worse for over 3 years now.

I noticed no-one has mentioned coconut oil as a potential help for this problem, so I just thought I would throw it into the mix, lol:

http://articles.mercola.com/sites/articles/archive/2003/11/08/thyroid-health-part-two.aspx

http://www.earthclinic.com/CURES/thyroid.html#COCONUTOIL (about half way down the page)

I have just re-started my coconut oil regimen after getting terrible stomach cramps from it before (using about 1-2 tablespoons per day) I am starting at one teaspoon & building up gradually. So far so good! I have also ordered some kelp and take a small dose of bicarbonate of soda daily. I will definately be getting some lugols or similar strength iodine after reading this, but want to build up gradually (using the kelp first) after my nightmare experience with the coconut oil, lol.:eek:

Coconut oil is very good as long as it's used raw. Good luck with the buildup.

Good luck with the kelp. Just take as much as you think you need to start off with. It sounds like you may be sensitive to certain things, but, because iodine is an essential nutrient most people are great with it. Check out the Magnascent Iodine earlier in the thread, it is more expensive but is more bio-available and tolerated better.

mark1963
02-06-2010, 02:02 PM
This is SORT OF true. If the poster has autoimmune thyroid disease hypothyroidism (called Hashimoto's Thyroiditis), her immune system has destroyed her thyroid gland. This can happen over time or suddenly.

This is the most common form of hypothyroidism in North America (low iodine is the most common form in other countries).

Nobody knows the cause, but genetics play a role in susceptibility in most cases. The trigger may be a viral infection infecting the thyroid gland, reactions to food (soy and excess iodine have been linked to causing autoimmune hypothyroid), or chemicals/toxins in the environment.

Once the thyroid gland has antibodies against it, and once it becomes destroyed, the person no longer has a functioning thyroid gland and in severe cases must be on full does of replacement thyroid hormone for life or they will go into a coma and die.

I have had Hashimoto's since I was 10 years old. My thyroid gland has been replaced by scar tissue. I take Desiccated Thyroid (Erfa) which is called Armour in the US and UK.

I still am really sick with this condition, so I'm considering chelation therapy. I have Celiac (genetically related to autoimmune thyroid disease) so I am gluten free as well.

Anyone here try chelation? My thyroid is already destroyed, so I'll always be on meds. However, I would like to reduce the antibodies my body still makes against thyroid hormone.

It sounds very debilitating. I hope you find some resolution.

Do you have a link for the excess iodine causing problems?

aventurine
02-06-2010, 03:58 PM
Hmm, there's so much conflicting info out there!!!

Dr Mercola doesn't recommend lugols as a treatment for hypothyroidism:-

http://articles.mercola.com/sites/articles/archive/2009/10/20/Signs-Symptoms-and-Solutions-for-Poor-Thyroid-Function.aspx

Some patients also report that they respond better to food-based forms of iodine -- like seaweeds -- than the supplement forms. However, if you are going to use a supplement I would strongly advise using supersaturated iodine (SSKI) which is available as an inexpensive prescription. Typically 1-3 drops a day are all that are required.

Please avoid using Lugol’s solution or iodine, as that can actually worsen your thyroid condition.

The fact that your thyroid only transports iodine in its ionized form (i.e. iodide) is straight out of the textbooks. Your thyroid reduces iodide (I-) into iodine (I2) for use in formation of thyroglobulin. Your body doesn’t utilize iodine directly. It has to split the I2 into two I- ions, which is an oxidative reaction that causes oxidative stress.

Iodide transporters are located in other areas of your body besides the thyroid gland, including your breasts and colon. One family of iodide transporters is called the sodium-iodide symporter, and the other is called pendren. Dr. David Brownstein (see below) discusses the sodium-iodide symporter but doesn’t mention pendren. However like all ion transporters they too require a charge in order to move a molecule across the membrane, which means iodine must be in its ionized form.

It’s possible that some may see good results using Lugol’s for some afflictions, but according to autism expert Catherine Tamara, in her experience it is very clear that children with autism, and their mothers, do fine with iodide, but not necessarily with iodine.

For more information about the research that makes me question the recommendation for iodine and Lugol's solution, please see these studies:

* Journal of Toxicology and Environmental Health 1992, 37:535-548 "Evidence of Thyroxine Formation Following Iodine Administration in Sprague-Dawley Rats"

* Journal of Toxicology and Environmental Health 1991, 32:89-101 "Comparison of Toxicity Induced by Iodine and Iodide in Male and Female Rats"
* Journal of Toxicology and Environmental Health 1998, 55:93-106 "Comparison of the Effects of Iodine and Iodide on Thyroid Function in Humans"
* Biological Trace Element Research 2006, 110:193-209 "Analyses of Toxic Metals and Essential Minerals in the Hair of Arizona Children with Autism and Associated Conditions, and Their Mothers"



Keeping your iodine levels optimal is particularly important if you are a women that is contemplating pregnancy, or are already pregnant Make sure you are taking seaweed or a prenatal vitamin with the right amount and form of iodide, not iodine, to help protect your baby.

oneofthemasses
02-06-2010, 04:15 PM
It sounds very debilitating. I hope you find some resolution.

Do you have a link for the excess iodine causing problems?

Thanks for your support. It has been a rough go. I definitely recommend that anyone who needs thyroid hormone replacement use dessicated pig thyroid hormone (Armour in the US and UK). Most people will NEVER feel better on Synthroid and the synthetics. The problem is, few doctors listen to their patients. They look at the bloodwork and announce that everything is fine without actually asking the patient how they feel. Everyone's body is different. It is hard to get a prescription for desiccated thyroid (I'm in Canada where you need a prescription) but don't stop until you find a doctor willing to.

Desiccated thyroid is still regularly made in Canada, and there are no "shortages", although US patients are being told by their doctors that there are. This is untrue. I believe this is so patients will automatically be put onto Synthroid or be forced to switch to Synthroid. Patients are also told FALSE rumours that our desiccated thyroid hormone is "unsafe", and this is also completely untrue and just plain stupid. It is made here in Canada (a first rate country), and Canada actually has a stricter "FDA" than the US. Canada refused to allow a lot of toxic drugs that harmed Americans (before they were pulled) onto our formulary, and takes more time to approve the drugs it does allow. It is all propaganda at the expense of people's health.

I do have links regarding the excess iodine/autoimmune thyroiditis link, but they're Pub Med links. ;) Most people on here will not trust that. :) I will add them though if you like. I think the problem is that we are consuming too much PROCESSED iodine, as iodized salt is added to so many foods. It's in even the so-called "healthy" foods. My favourite drink as a kid was V-8 (vegetable juice) and we all know that it's so salty it tastes like a bag of chips (crisps to my UK friends). :) Do note though that from what am to understand, excess iodine can only bring out (or "trigger") the disease if you are genetically prone to it.

My main goal now is to start selenium and find someone in my area who practices chelation. My antibodies are still very high. Hopefully someone on here has tried either/both and can give me feedback.

Good health to all. :)


Edit

(Hint, read the last few lines of each report if you find the technical jargon confusing)

LINKS: http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/20172475

http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/19818584

http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/20087681

http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/19649387


Selenium can decrease thyroid antibodies:

http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/20039895

http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/20453397


What really bothers me is that the public is being "force fed" all of this processed iodine in almost all foods, without the average person knowing that this may cause autoimmune thyroid disease in susceptible people! It's no wonder that this disease is considered a "common" autoimmune disease in North America! It's a crime. Obviously iodine not the only cause or trigger. But if there is clear evidence that excess iodine can cause these problems, why is it that only a small percentage of people know this?!

It's just one of many coverups. They can't hide the truth about everything without people noticing, so they do publish what is known to medical researchers, but unless you actually access published medical data, your doctor is NEVER going to tell you any of this. How many people like me have ever been told by their doctors to take selenium? Or to avoid excess iodine if you have a family history of autoimmune thyroid disease or are in early stages of the disease? I'm willing to bet NONE. It's really too late for me (I can improve my antibodies but I have no thyroid left), but maybe I can help someone else.

This is how it works. The truth is "hidden" but it IS there, and it angers me that so many people are not told what is KNOWN to the "privileged". Unfortunately, by the time you are sick and looking for answers, it can be too late. It's like a slap in the face.

It will probably be some time before I find a qualified practitioner for chelation, but I will definitely let you know if I see any improvements. Selenium I plan to start next week as soon as I can get to the health food store, not sure how long that will take to see improvements, but will let you know if my bloodwork and symptoms improve.

mark1963
02-06-2010, 08:20 PM
Hmm, there's so much conflicting info out there!!!

Dr Mercola doesn't recommend lugols as a treatment for hypothyroidism:-

http://articles.mercola.com/sites/articles/archive/2009/10/20/Signs-Symptoms-and-Solutions-for-Poor-Thyroid-Function.aspx

Some patients also report that they respond better to food-based forms of iodine -- like seaweeds -- than the supplement forms. However, if you are going to use a supplement I would strongly advise using supersaturated iodine (SSKI) which is available as an inexpensive prescription. Typically 1-3 drops a day are all that are required.

Please avoid using Lugol’s solution or iodine, as that can actually worsen your thyroid condition.

The fact that your thyroid only transports iodine in its ionized form (i.e. iodide) is straight out of the textbooks. Your thyroid reduces iodide (I-) into iodine (I2) for use in formation of thyroglobulin. Your body doesn’t utilize iodine directly. It has to split the I2 into two I- ions, which is an oxidative reaction that causes oxidative stress.

Iodide transporters are located in other areas of your body besides the thyroid gland, including your breasts and colon. One family of iodide transporters is called the sodium-iodide symporter, and the other is called pendren. Dr. David Brownstein (see below) discusses the sodium-iodide symporter but doesn’t mention pendren. However like all ion transporters they too require a charge in order to move a molecule across the membrane, which means iodine must be in its ionized form.

It’s possible that some may see good results using Lugol’s for some afflictions, but according to autism expert Catherine Tamara, in her experience it is very clear that children with autism, and their mothers, do fine with iodide, but not necessarily with iodine.

For more information about the research that makes me question the recommendation for iodine and Lugol's solution, please see these studies:

* Journal of Toxicology and Environmental Health 1992, 37:535-548 "Evidence of Thyroxine Formation Following Iodine Administration in Sprague-Dawley Rats"

* Journal of Toxicology and Environmental Health 1991, 32:89-101 "Comparison of Toxicity Induced by Iodine and Iodide in Male and Female Rats"
* Journal of Toxicology and Environmental Health 1998, 55:93-106 "Comparison of the Effects of Iodine and Iodide on Thyroid Function in Humans"
* Biological Trace Element Research 2006, 110:193-209 "Analyses of Toxic Metals and Essential Minerals in the Hair of Arizona Children with Autism and Associated Conditions, and Their Mothers"



Keeping your iodine levels optimal is particularly important if you are a women that is contemplating pregnancy, or are already pregnant Make sure you are taking seaweed or a prenatal vitamin with the right amount and form of iodide, not iodine, to help protect your baby.

I've heard good things about SSKI and anyone who has it has had good results.

http://curezone.com/forums/fm.asp?i=1272005#i

I've also had great results with anyone who takes Lugol's.

Blue2 swears by Magnascent - which is probably the most bio-available for the human body.

Please do not confuse yourself with it. Just pick one and try it for a few weeks. Or try the seaweed route.

PM me if you have a problem getting hold of the Potassium Iodide (SSKI).

mark1963
02-06-2010, 08:25 PM
Thanks for your support. It has been a rough go. I definitely recommend that anyone who needs thyroid hormone replacement use dessicated pig thyroid hormone (Armour in the US and UK). Most people will NEVER feel better on Synthroid and the synthetics. The problem is, few doctors listen to their patients. They look at the bloodwork and announce that everything is fine without actually asking the patient how they feel. Everyone's body is different. It is hard to get a prescription for desiccated thyroid (I'm in Canada where you need a prescription) but don't stop until you find a doctor willing to.

Desiccated thyroid is still regularly made in Canada, and there are no "shortages", although US patients are being told by their doctors that there are. This is untrue. I believe this is so patients will automatically be put onto Synthroid or be forced to switch to Synthroid. Patients are also told FALSE rumours that our desiccated thyroid hormone is "unsafe", and this is also completely untrue and just plain stupid. It is made here in Canada (a first rate country), and Canada actually has a stricter "FDA" than the US. Canada refused to allow a lot of toxic drugs that harmed Americans (before they were pulled) onto our formulary, and takes more time to approve the drugs it does allow. It is all propaganda at the expense of people's health.

I do have links regarding the excess iodine/autoimmune thyroiditis link, but they're Pub Med links. ;) Most people on here will not trust that. :) I will add them though if you like. I think the problem is that we are consuming too much PROCESSED iodine, as iodized salt is added to so many foods. It's in even the so-called "healthy" foods. My favourite drink as a kid was V-8 (vegetable juice) and we all know that it's so salty it tastes like a bag of chips (crisps to my UK friends). :) Do note though that from what am to understand, excess iodine can only bring out (or "trigger") the disease if you are genetically prone to it.

My main goal now is to start selenium and find someone in my area who practices chelation. My antibodies are still very high. Hopefully someone on here has tried either/both and can give me feedback.

Good health to all. :)

Please add the links - we need to look at all sides to then make an informed decision.

I've never tried V-8 - something about it I did not like when it came out in the 80'.

Curezone - the best health site in the known universe has a good chelation forum.

http://www.curezone.com/forums/f.asp?f=84

Good luck - please come back and let us know how you get on. :)

oneofthemasses
02-06-2010, 11:24 PM
Please add the links - we need to look at all sides to then make an informed decision.

I've never tried V-8 - something about it I did not like when it came out in the 80'.

Curezone - the best health site in the known universe has a good chelation forum.

http://www.curezone.com/forums/f.asp?f=84

Good luck - please come back and let us know how you get on. :)

I've edited my post to include the links (and a rant-this always gets me going). :)

Will report back if anything changes. It's probably going to take some time though. In my case, I'm thinking at least a few months.

Thanks for the link, will do some reading there.

gaias child
03-06-2010, 03:23 PM
This is SORT OF true. If the poster has autoimmune thyroid disease hypothyroidism (called Hashimoto's Thyroiditis), her immune system has destroyed her thyroid gland. This can happen over time or suddenly.

This is the most common form of hypothyroidism in North America (low iodine is the most common form in other countries).

Nobody knows the cause, but genetics play a role in susceptibility in most cases. The trigger may be a viral infection infecting the thyroid gland, reactions to food (soy and excess iodine have been linked to causing autoimmune hypothyroid), or chemicals/toxins in the environment.

Once the thyroid gland has antibodies against it, and once it becomes destroyed, the person no longer has a functioning thyroid gland and in severe cases must be on full does of replacement thyroid hormone for life or they will go into a coma and die.

I have had Hashimoto's since I was 10 years old. My thyroid gland has been replaced by scar tissue. I take Desiccated Thyroid (Erfa) which is called Armour in the US and UK.

I still am really sick with this condition, so I'm considering chelation therapy. I have Celiac (genetically related to autoimmune thyroid disease) so I am gluten free as well.

Anyone here try chelation? My thyroid is already destroyed, so I'll always be on meds. However, I would like to reduce the antibodies my body still makes against thyroid hormone.

Thanks for this post, sorry to hear of your problems, very interesting information.

I suspect I have the antibodies as I have autoimmune condition and possible symptoms of hypothyroid despite normal TSH. I'm considering getting a test for the antibodies.

I wonder if there is any way of healing the thyroid naturally.

gaias child
03-06-2010, 03:41 PM
Thanks for your support. It has been a rough go. I definitely recommend that anyone who needs thyroid hormone replacement use dessicated pig thyroid hormone (Armour in the US and UK). Most people will NEVER feel better on Synthroid and the synthetics. The problem is, few doctors listen to their patients. They look at the bloodwork and announce that everything is fine without actually asking the patient how they feel. Everyone's body is different. It is hard to get a prescription for desiccated thyroid (I'm in Canada where you need a prescription) but don't stop until you find a doctor willing to.

Desiccated thyroid is still regularly made in Canada, and there are no "shortages", although US patients are being told by their doctors that there are. This is untrue. I believe this is so patients will automatically be put onto Synthroid or be forced to switch to Synthroid. Patients are also told FALSE rumours that our desiccated thyroid hormone is "unsafe", and this is also completely untrue and just plain stupid. It is made here in Canada (a first rate country), and Canada actually has a stricter "FDA" than the US. Canada refused to allow a lot of toxic drugs that harmed Americans (before they were pulled) onto our formulary, and takes more time to approve the drugs it does allow. It is all propaganda at the expense of people's health.

I do have links regarding the excess iodine/autoimmune thyroiditis link, but they're Pub Med links. ;) Most people on here will not trust that. :) I will add them though if you like. I think the problem is that we are consuming too much PROCESSED iodine, as iodized salt is added to so many foods. It's in even the so-called "healthy" foods. My favourite drink as a kid was V-8 (vegetable juice) and we all know that it's so salty it tastes like a bag of chips (crisps to my UK friends). :) Do note though that from what am to understand, excess iodine can only bring out (or "trigger") the disease if you are genetically prone to it.

My main goal now is to start selenium and find someone in my area who practices chelation. My antibodies are still very high. Hopefully someone on here has tried either/both and can give me feedback.

Good health to all. :)


Edit

(Hint, read the last few lines of each report if you find the technical jargon confusing)

LINKS: http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/20172475

http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/19818584

http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/20087681

http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/19649387


Selenium can decrease thyroid antibodies:

http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/20039895

http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/20453397


What really bothers me is that the public is being "force fed" all of this processed iodine in almost all foods, without the average person knowing that this may cause autoimmune thyroid disease in susceptible people! It's no wonder that this disease is considered a "common" autoimmune disease in North America! It's a crime. Obviously iodine not the only cause or trigger. But if there is clear evidence that excess iodine can cause these problems, why is it that only a small percentage of people know this?!

It's just one of many coverups. They can't hide the truth about everything without people noticing, so they do publish what is known to medical researchers, but unless you actually access published medical data, your doctor is NEVER going to tell you any of this. How many people like me have ever been told by their doctors to take selenium? Or to avoid excess iodine if you have a family history of autoimmune thyroid disease or are in early stages of the disease? I'm willing to bet NONE. It's really too late for me (I can improve my antibodies but I have no thyroid left), but maybe I can help someone else.

This is how it works. The truth is "hidden" but it IS there, and it angers me that so many people are not told what is KNOWN to the "privileged". Unfortunately, by the time you are sick and looking for answers, it can be too late. It's like a slap in the face.

It will probably be some time before I find a qualified practitioner for chelation, but I will definitely let you know if I see any improvements. Selenium I plan to start next week as soon as I can get to the health food store, not sure how long that will take to see improvements, but will let you know if my bloodwork and symptoms improve.

Thanks for the info, let us know how you get on.

Have you used Humic acid,or thought of using it has naturally occuring elements from the earth, it has all the minerals that exist in natural form. it can detoxify in organic minerals (heavy metals) that we don't need or are poisoning us as well as replenishing the ones we do. for example it has every naturally occuring mineral even including mercury which I know many will find this hard to believe but is an essential substance in its natural occuring form, and will chelate the inorganic mercury, from amalgam or vaccines. It acts like homeopathy does. I also heard of someone who detoxed high levels of copper this way. It gets right into the cells, because it has cellular resonance. These substances used to be in our foods in ancient times.

I'm not a big fan of taking things in isolation such as iodine although I guess if you severely deficient you might need to but I've always been told taking supplements in isolationg causes imbalances of something else as everything has to work synergistically that is why I like the humic.

I just read medicinal mshrooms help auto immune disorders reishi, cordyceps, mataike and shitake. You can get powders or whole mushrooms to boil into tea

dalem
11-06-2010, 11:35 PM
Pardon my language but I am fucking fuming mad.
My wife who has been suffering Hypothyroidism for years, suffering the effects of Fybromialgia for years, suffering from Iodine deficiency for years today went to see an Endocrynologist, a Professor at our local hospital.
The fucking asshole.
He said to her not to believe anything from the Internet about Thyroid/Iodine, not to believe Dr Brownstein (who has been treating people for more than 17 years)
He said she is PERFECTLY HEALTHY and there is nothing he can do for her.
Perfectly healthy. Her Thyroid doesn't function, she is taking some toxic garbage Levothyroxin every day of her life and she is perfectly healthy.

She has been suffering from Headaches for more than 15 years and he said to her "Well you are sat in front of me now are'nt you" like it didn't matter.
The stupid asshole couldn't even find her blood test results, how the fuck can he say that to her?
He couldn't even tell her why her Thyroid isn't functioning.
I am lost for words. I want to complain about the incompetent asshole but fear it will be just a waste of time.

These arrogant bastards are supposed to be caring about our health and this is what we get. I really feel like punching the idiot right between the eyes.
I never will trust a doctor ever again.
Sorry for venting my bad language on forum.

margaretr
12-06-2010, 08:41 AM
I abandoned my doc (along with free NHS 'care' and free prescriptions) two years ago, when I had a similar experience.
The DIY approach, using nutrition therapy, is gradually curing me.
General practitioners are just poison dispensers.

oneofthemasses
12-06-2010, 09:58 AM
Thanks for the info, let us know how you get on.

Have you used Humic acid,or thought of using it has naturally occuring elements from the earth, it has all the minerals that exist in natural form. it can detoxify in organic minerals (heavy metals) that we don't need or are poisoning us as well as replenishing the ones we do. for example it has every naturally occuring mineral even including mercury which I know many will find this hard to believe but is an essential substance in its natural occuring form, and will chelate the inorganic mercury, from amalgam or vaccines. It acts like homeopathy does. I also heard of someone who detoxed high levels of copper this way. It gets right into the cells, because it has cellular resonance. These substances used to be in our foods in ancient times.

I'm not a big fan of taking things in isolation such as iodine although I guess if you severely deficient you might need to but I've always been told taking supplements in isolationg causes imbalances of something else as everything has to work synergistically that is why I like the humic.

I just read medicinal mshrooms help auto immune disorders reishi, cordyceps, mataike and shitake. You can get powders or whole mushrooms to boil into tea

Thanks for your post, will definitely look into that.

Will let you all know if anything changes (will likely take some time though).

gaias child
12-06-2010, 07:18 PM
Pardon my language but I am fucking fuming mad.
My wife who has been suffering Hypothyroidism for years, suffering the effects of Fybromialgia for years, suffering from Iodine deficiency for years today went to see an Endocrynologist, a Professor at our local hospital.
The fucking asshole.
He said to her not to believe anything from the Internet about Thyroid/Iodine, not to believe Dr Brownstein (who has been treating people for more than 17 years)
He said she is PERFECTLY HEALTHY and there is nothing he can do for her.
Perfectly healthy. Her Thyroid doesn't function, she is taking some toxic garbage Levothyroxin every day of her life and she is perfectly healthy.

She has been suffering from Headaches for more than 15 years and he said to her "Well you are sat in front of me now are'nt you" like it didn't matter.
The stupid asshole couldn't even find her blood test results, how the fuck can he say that to her?
He couldn't even tell her why her Thyroid isn't functioning.
I am lost for words. I want to complain about the incompetent asshole but fear it will be just a waste of time.

These arrogant bastards are supposed to be caring about our health and this is what we get. I really feel like punching the idiot right between the eyes.
I never will trust a doctor ever again.
Sorry for venting my bad language on forum.

I'm sorry. I went through similar with NHS too, I've got a phobia of them now.

What is she going to do?

gaias child
12-06-2010, 07:23 PM
Thanks for your post, will definitely look into that.

Will let you all know if anything changes (will likely take some time though).


Selenium is important for the proper functioning of the thyroid gland. Selenium activates the antioxidant glutathione peroxidase which is believed to be integral in cellular protection. Selenium supplementation may help in aiding immune function,

I found this article on research on selenium and thyroid anti bodies

http://thyroid.about.com/cs/newsinfo/l/blselenium.htm

Selenium Supplementation in Patients with Autoimmune Thyroiditis Decreases Thyroid Peroxidase Antibodies Concentrations




also this one on food sources of selenium and research done via supplements and brazil nuts, selenium levels increase highest in brazil nut group.

Brazil nuts are very high source as are shitake mushrooms.

http://www.whfoods.com/genpage.php?dbid=95&tname=nutrient

dalem
12-06-2010, 09:50 PM
I'm sorry. I went through similar with NHS too, I've got a phobia of them now.

What is she going to do?

Well, we have absolutely zero confidence in any doctor now.
This guy was a professor of medicine and acted like a complete buffoon.
Correct me if I am wrong but can a professor teach medicine? I dread to think what is coming out of med schools, clones of him I guess.
From here on we will be our own doctor. We will continue using Iodine at 50mg per day for the next three months and see how she feels then. Plus the help of this forum, there's a lot of info going around and people helping one another.
Thanks for your concern.

ceasar
12-06-2010, 10:02 PM
You know what I think. I think our government is secretly poisoning us and deliberately making us sick. Why? Of course its all about money, why else.

More doctors, more drugs, more insurance, more employment, kill the elderly and control the large population. I'm sure there is more I haven’t thought of.

Ones best option is to eat a abundant amount of organic foods, along with not drinking any tap water no matter how good they claim it is.

Just curious though, why cant a simple blood test determine that one is deficient in iodine? Someone here said that a blood test is not accurate at determining this.

dalem
12-06-2010, 10:16 PM
You know what I think. I think our government is secretly poisoning us and deliberately making us sick. Why? Of course its all about money, why else.

More doctors, more drugs, more insurance, more employment, kill the elderly and control the large population. I'm sure there is more I haven’t thought of.

Ones best option is to eat a abundant amount of organic foods, along with not drinking any tap water no matter how good they claim it is.

Just curious though, why cant a simple blood test determine that one is deficient in iodine? Someone here said that a blood test is not accurate at determining this.

Iodine blood test are notoriously unreliable. I have read that they are at best 30% reliable. The only conclusive test is a Iodine Load Test. 50mg taken and then your urine measured over 24 hours to see how much you excrete from your body.

oneofthemasses
13-06-2010, 12:24 AM
I found this article on research on selenium and thyroid anti bodies

http://thyroid.about.com/cs/newsinfo/l/blselenium.htm



also this one on food sources of selenium and research done via supplements and brazil nuts, selenium levels increase highest in brazil nut group.

Brazil nuts are very high source as are shitake mushrooms.

http://www.whfoods.com/genpage.php?dbid=95&tname=nutrient

Awesome link, thanks. This is why I am in an uproar. 99.999% of endocrinologists will simply say that they have no idea what is implicated in autoimmune thyroid disease and are too lazy to do anything other than sit back and prescribe Synthroid while your thyroid gland destroys itself. By that point, it is too late for most patients. :mad:

In my opinion, that is negligence and medical incompetence. The first rule of medicine is do no harm. Allowing a person's immune system to completely destroy their thyroid gland while you sit back ready with synthetic replacement hormone is apparently not harmful. :rolleyes: There is no way you can replicate minute by minute appropriate response thyroid function with a synthetic hormone taken once a day meant to function as a thyroid gland. No wonder most people still feel sick.

While selenium deficiency for example may not cause all cases, nor will supplements help all cases, they are safe and should be tried in the early stages of the disease to see if they can stop the progression for at least some people. I can't say for sure if it would have helped me (I am using selenium to decrease my antibodies since my gland is long destroyed), but it would have been worth a chance. Hopefully this can help someone else.

I just bought some a selenium supplement and just had my TPO antibodies and other bloodwork done, will definitely update you if this helps. Won't know for at least a few months though. Brazil nuts are great, will definitely up my intake. Thanks.

gaias child
14-06-2010, 05:59 AM
Well, we have absolutely zero confidence in any doctor now.
This guy was a professor of medicine and acted like a complete buffoon.
Correct me if I am wrong but can a professor teach medicine? I dread to think what is coming out of med schools, clones of him I guess.
From here on we will be our own doctor. We will continue using Iodine at 50mg per day for the next three months and see how she feels then. Plus the help of this forum, there's a lot of info going around and people helping one another.
Thanks for your concern.


Try selenium too in addition to iodine or brazil nuts as selenium has been shown to reduce thyroid anti bodies.

also your wife may need armour, if none of that works, Blue2 has the address to get it from

Good luck

gaias child
14-06-2010, 06:01 AM
Awesome link, thanks. This is why I am in an uproar. 99.999% of endocrinologists will simply say that they have no idea what is implicated in autoimmune thyroid disease and are too lazy to do anything other than sit back and prescribe Synthroid while your thyroid gland destroys itself. By that point, it is too late for most patients. :mad:

In my opinion, that is negligence and medical incompetence. The first rule of medicine is do no harm. Allowing a person's immune system to completely destroy their thyroid gland while you sit back ready with synthetic replacement hormone is apparently not harmful. :rolleyes: There is no way you can replicate minute by minute appropriate response thyroid function with a synthetic hormone taken once a day meant to function as a thyroid gland. No wonder most people still feel sick.

While selenium deficiency for example may not cause all cases, nor will supplements help all cases, they are safe and should be tried in the early stages of the disease to see if they can stop the progression for at least some people. I can't say for sure if it would have helped me (I am using selenium to decrease my antibodies since my gland is long destroyed), but it would have been worth a chance. Hopefully this can help someone else.

I just bought some a selenium supplement and just had my TPO antibodies and other bloodwork done, will definitely update you if this helps. Won't know for at least a few months though. Brazil nuts are great, will definitely up my intake. Thanks.

Great it will be good to hear how your TPO antibodies fair.

darryl84
19-06-2010, 03:52 PM
Call me retarded, but i just consumed 3 drops of lugols iodine solution straight from a spoon without mixing it with anything, thats fine right? No negative repercussions doing that, need a bit of 'expert' confirmation, if possible. I have downed some mineral water soon afterwards so shouldn't be a problem obviously, but just thought i would write a message and check to be 110% sure. Cheers. :)

freedom1st
19-06-2010, 04:04 PM
Well I got my cortisol levels checked and they are fine.
The consultant has now written to my GP to say that some patients do feel better on a combination of thyroxine and 'Liothyronine' and has asked my GP to reduce my throxine from 150 mcg to 100 mcg and to add in 10 mcg Liothryronine twice daily.
Does anyone have any info on this combination?
I may give it a try until I can figure out where to get the best help.

darryl84
19-06-2010, 04:43 PM
Is there a problem taking anti-biotics and lugols iodine solution on the same say, anyone know? I might be doing both and just wanted to check if there was a clash between them in some way that someone here might know about. Cheers. :)

level42
19-06-2010, 06:11 PM
Fantastic thread,very interesting,I've been reading through all this now for over an hour,taking notes.:)

mark1963
19-06-2010, 07:46 PM
Call me retarded, but i just consumed 3 drops of lugols iodine solution straight from a spoon without mixing it with anything, thats fine right? No negative repercussions doing that, need a bit of 'expert' confirmation, if possible. I have downed some mineral water soon afterwards so shouldn't be a problem obviously, but just thought i would write a message and check to be 110% sure. Cheers. :)

With water would certainly be better - not tap water though.

mark1963
19-06-2010, 07:50 PM
Well I got my cortisol levels checked and they are fine.
The consultant has now written to my GP to say that some patients do feel better on a combination of thyroxine and 'Liothyronine' and has asked my GP to reduce my throxine from 150 mcg to 100 mcg and to add in 10 mcg Liothryronine twice daily.
Does anyone have any info on this combination?
I may give it a try until I can figure out where to get the best help.

The Liothryronine is a form of T3, so this is good news for you. It is the most active form of thyroid in an isolated form.

Please let us know how you get on.

mark1963
19-06-2010, 07:50 PM
Is there a problem taking anti-biotics and lugols iodine solution on the same say, anyone know? I might be doing both and just wanted to check if there was a clash between them in some way that someone here might know about. Cheers. :)

I've not heard of one. I'll check on it.

darryl84
19-06-2010, 08:19 PM
I've not heard of one. I'll check on it.

Thanks for the information, you'll like a demi-god on iodine supplementation at the moment! :p :D

freedom1st
19-06-2010, 08:23 PM
The Liothryronine is a form of T3, so this is good news for you. It is the most active form of thyroid in an isolated form.

Please let us know how you get on.

Will do mark, and thanks for all your advice.

I'll still be looking for the natural method though.

mark1963
20-06-2010, 04:12 PM
Thanks for the information, you'll like a demi-god on iodine supplementation at the moment! :p :D

No I'm not - just have a passion about health since I was 14.

mark1963
20-06-2010, 04:13 PM
Will do mark, and thanks for all your advice.

I'll still be looking for the natural method though.

Natural is good, but, what were your thoughts?

freedom1st
20-06-2010, 04:27 PM
Natural is good, but, what were your thoughts?

Well the only one I know of is armour and I will push the consultant to see if he will prescribe it for me.
I'm still confused on the iodine but will give it some more attention.
Other than that I don't know if there are any other options..

darryl84
20-06-2010, 04:39 PM
No I'm not - just have a passion about health since I was 14.

There was a hint of exaggeration in there, although you give some great information. Did you find anything about a clash between iodine and anti-biotics? :)

darryl84
20-06-2010, 05:15 PM
I have felt the energy difference, and more clarity in the mind since taking the iodine supplement, it is having positive affects on the health of my body so far. :)

mark1963
20-06-2010, 06:59 PM
Well the only one I know of is armour and I will push the consultant to see if he will prescribe it for me.
I'm still confused on the iodine but will give it some more attention.
Other than that I don't know if there are any other options..

Armourthyroid is good and is available without prescription from Canada, provided you are in the UK. You can buy not-standardised porcine or bovine thyroid in the UK as a supplement and many practitioners do use that. It is very effective.

Iodine is needed by the whole body, every cell in fact and provided your thyroid is not completely shot to bits, it will improve markedly your condition. Your bodies requirements are about 1500mg and 50mg for the thyroid at any one time. This is not daily - it's what your body needs to work efficiently.

Eat lots of raw fruits and vegetables except the goitragens. This alone will drastically improve your overall health. Stay away from gluten, it interferes with digestion and almost blocks completely the pituitary from working. The pituitary is your master hormone maker and regulator, including TSH.

I hope this helps, pm me if you want some links. :)

mark1963
20-06-2010, 07:00 PM
There was a hint of exaggeration in there, although you give some great information. Did you find anything about a clash between iodine and anti-biotics? :)

I've searched and could not find any contra-indications.

mark1963
20-06-2010, 07:01 PM
I have felt the energy difference, and more clarity in the mind since taking the iodine supplement, it is having positive affects on the health of my body so far. :)

I am so glad to hear that. :)

freedom1st
20-06-2010, 07:15 PM
Armourthyroid is good and is available without prescription from Canada, provided you are in the UK. You can buy not-standardised porcine or bovine thyroid in the UK as a supplement and many practitioners do use that. It is very effective.

Iodine is needed by the whole body, every cell in fact and provided your thyroid is not completely shot to bits, it will improve markedly your condition. Your bodies requirements are about 1500mg and 50mg for the thyroid at any one time. This is not daily - it's what your body needs to work efficiently.

Eat lots of raw fruits and vegetables except the goitragens. This alone will drastically improve your overall health. Stay away from gluten, it interferes with digestion and almost blocks completely the pituitary from working. The pituitary is your master hormone maker and regulator, including TSH.

I hope this helps, pm me if you want some links. :)

Thanks again mark. I get more sense from you than I do from the docs.
Anyway, I will be starting the Liothyronine on Tuesday and will be seeing the consultant within a month. Once I find out from him as to whether he will prescribe the armour I'll pm you if I need the links.
Cheers

darryl84
21-06-2010, 12:19 AM
On the lugols bottle, it states, 'Max usage = once daily for 3 days', does that mean it must be discontinued after 3 days, if so, when can it be restarted? I was of the belief that it could be taken every day ad infinitum, or was that being naive? Thanks again for the reply in advance mark. :)

mark1963
21-06-2010, 07:23 AM
You need iodine daily to keep your levels up. Whether through food or supplementation. The supplementation is more concentrated.

People take it daily for years and years with zero side effects.

darryl84
21-06-2010, 11:19 AM
You need iodine daily to keep your levels up. Whether through food or supplementation. The supplementation is more concentrated.

People take it daily for years and years with zero side effects.

Ok cool, just checking, when you take yours, how much do your droplets add upto? Because some drops are bigger than others, my last two servings today and yesterday have been about a tablespoon in size, is that a similar amount to your intake?

dalem
21-06-2010, 11:49 AM
Ok cool, just checking, when you take yours, how much do your droplets add upto? Because some drops are bigger than others, my last two servings today and yesterday have been about a tablespoon in size, is that a similar amount to your intake?

Droplets are bigger if the dropper is not held vertically.
Holding the dropper at an angle of 45 degrees can increase the drop size by 100% and completely change your dosing.
Always hold the dropper upright.
Is your comment above relating to Lugol's Iodine ? are you taking a tablespoon daily ?

FYI, I make my own Iodine solution at 7% which is stronger than most solutions you can buy.
Correct me if i'm wrong but is Lugol's 5% ?
I have been taking 3 drops 3 times per day (about 50mg) for some time now.
I plan to do a 3 month course at this dosage then go onto a maintenance dose of 12mg daily.

darryl84
21-06-2010, 02:40 PM
Droplets are bigger if the dropper is not held vertically.
Holding the dropper at an angle of 45 degrees can increase the drop size by 100% and completely change your dosing.
Always hold the dropper upright.
Is your comment above relating to Lugol's Iodine ? are you taking a tablespoon daily ?

FYI, I make my own Iodine solution at 7% which is stronger than most solutions you can buy.
Correct me if i'm wrong but is Lugol's 5% ?
I have been taking 3 drops 3 times per day (about 50mg) for some time now.
I plan to do a 3 month course at this dosage then go onto a maintenance dose of 12mg daily.

I dont know the percentage. I hold the dropper upright, but nothing comes out, so i shake it, which leads to bigger droplets coming out, this is why it would be easier for me to gage the correct dosage if i could find out roughly how much of fraction of a tablespoon people use, half, full, a third? etc.

pegcityevolve
21-06-2010, 05:35 PM
I just take droplets whenever I feel like it.

dalem
21-06-2010, 06:50 PM
I dont know the percentage. I hold the dropper upright, but nothing comes out, so i shake it, which leads to bigger droplets coming out, this is why it would be easier for me to gage the correct dosage if i could find out roughly how much of fraction of a tablespoon people use, half, full, a third? etc.

You need to get a dropper with the rubber bit on the end that you squeeze.
It is impossible to say how much of a tablespoon to use.
Without a correct dropper you can only guess, which is not very wise.

But, looking at my own droppers. One drop is about the size of a match head.

A 5ml bottle contains about 100 drops
A 10ml bottle about 200 drops

darryl84
21-06-2010, 07:26 PM
You need to get a dropper with the rubber bit on the end that you squeeze.
It is impossible to say how much of a tablespoon to use.
Without a correct dropper you can only guess, which is not very wise.

But, looking at my own droppers. One drop is about the size of a match head.

A 5ml bottle contains about 100 drops
A 10ml bottle about 200 drops

Ok, 6 drops seems to be about a teaspoon! How many drops would you recommend as a daily supplement?

dalem
21-06-2010, 10:19 PM
Ok, 6 drops seems to be about a teaspoon! How many drops would you recommend as a daily supplement?

A teaspoon seems rather a lot darryl84 :eek:

I would recommend not more than 50mg per day, 50mg is about 8 to 9 drops but not taken all at once.
50mg is about the optimum dose unless you have some severe Hypothyroidism in which case you would need more. I take 3 drops 3 times per day. I will do this for 3 months then go to a maintenance dose of 12-15mg per day.

darryl84
21-06-2010, 10:28 PM
A teaspoon seems rather a lot darryl84 :eek:

I would recommend not more than 50mg per day, 50mg is about 8 to 9 drops but not taken all at once.
50mg is about the optimum dose unless you have some severe Hypothyroidism in which case you would need more. I take 3 drops 3 times per day. I will do this for 3 months then go to a maintenance dose of 12-15mg per day.


Im slightly confused about the correct dosage now, if 6 drops is approximately a teaspoon in size and you believe thats too much, then how does that fit in with taking 9 drops a day, which appears to be a larger dose.

dalem
21-06-2010, 10:40 PM
Im slightly confused about the correct dosage now, if 6 drops is approximately a teaspoon in size and you believe thats too much, then how does that fit in with taking 9 drops a day, which appears to be a larger dose.

6 drops are not a teaspoon.
I just went to the kitchen and filled a teaspoon using my dropper and it took 50 drops to fill it.
So a teaspoon is around 350mg and that would be excessive. It probably wouldn't harm you but I wouldn't advise it.
I only use a standard dropper like you can buy at any chemist or one that comes with an eye dropper.

darryl84
22-06-2010, 10:56 AM
6 drops are not a teaspoon.
I just went to the kitchen and filled a teaspoon using my dropper and it took 50 drops to fill it.
So a teaspoon is around 350mg and that would be excessive. It probably wouldn't harm you but I wouldn't advise it.
I only use a standard dropper like you can buy at any chemist or one that comes with an eye dropper.

It seems about a seventh of a teaspoon is healthy amount, thats just under one drop that comes out of the lugols iodine bottle. Where can i purchase a dropper that you use?

mark1963
22-06-2010, 02:59 PM
It seems about a seventh of a teaspoon is healthy amount, thats just under one drop that comes out of the lugols iodine bottle. Where can i purchase a dropper that you use?

Go to a chemist and ask for a bottle and dropper, ask what the drop represents.

12-15mg is a maintenance dose generally, but for those that have symptoms or illness 100mg is not uncommon for a few months. Dr Brownstein has even said for cancer and such like even higher.

mark1963
22-06-2010, 03:01 PM
Ok cool, just checking, when you take yours, how much do your droplets add upto? Because some drops are bigger than others, my last two servings today and yesterday have been about a tablespoon in size, is that a similar amount to your intake?

My Lugol's is 12% (9mg iodine) and I take 2 drops with 1 teaspoon of rice wine vinegar in a full glass of water 30 minutes before food.

darryl84
23-06-2010, 12:35 AM
My Lugol's is 12% (9mg iodine) and I take 2 drops with 1 teaspoon of rice wine vinegar in a full glass of water 30 minutes before food.


Should i take it that without rice wine vinegar or a suitable substitute that the iodine will not be taken up as efficiently?

mark1963
24-06-2010, 09:22 AM
Should i take it that without rice wine vinegar or a suitable substitute that the iodine will not be taken up as efficiently?

It's personal, I've taken it with and without and appear to feel better with it. Some swear by using a slightly acidic medium.

Use a substitute, but most are corrupted, red and white wine vinegar being one of those corrupted.

The best advice I can give is not to tie yourself up in knots over the whole thing. Let your body decide for you.

darryl84
24-06-2010, 10:02 PM
It's personal, I've taken it with and without and appear to feel better with it. Some swear by using a slightly acidic medium.

Use a substitute, but most are corrupted, red and white wine vinegar being one of those corrupted.

The best advice I can give is not to tie yourself up in knots over the whole thing. Let your body decide for you.

Hmmm, so i should get enough iodine intake with just water added to lugols?

dalem
24-06-2010, 11:27 PM
darryl84 did you get your dropper sorted?

darryl84
24-06-2010, 11:43 PM
darryl84 did you get your dropper sorted?

Not yet, i've been estimating small amounts based on you and marks guidlines, they are not be microgram perfect, but as a temporary solution i am taking in about the same levels.

dalem
25-06-2010, 12:26 AM
Not yet, i've been estimating small amounts based on you and marks guidlines, they are not be microgram perfect, but as a temporary solution i am taking in about the same levels.
But I thought Lugol's came with a standard dropper in the bottle.

darryl84
25-06-2010, 12:29 AM
But I thought Lugol's came with a standard dropper in the bottle.

Hmmm, well that seems to be the case, although gaging by the comments made in this thread, the amounts that come from each droplet appear to be too large, so i am being creative with the intake.

dalem
25-06-2010, 12:36 AM
Hmmm, well that seems to be the case, although gaging by the comments made in this thread, the amounts that come from each droplet appear to be too large, so i am being creative with the intake.

I think my dropper cost about 80p down my local chemist complete with 25ml bottle.

darryl84
25-06-2010, 12:40 AM
I think my dropper cost about 80p down my local chemist complete with 25ml bottle.

Sounds good, wont put me back much then!

mark1963
25-06-2010, 10:58 AM
Hmmm, so i should get enough iodine intake with just water added to lugols?

Yes, and it's all about bio-availability. Anything that helps the process.

Start with just water, see how you feel, then perhaps try a slightly acidic medium. Get the baseline first.

dalem
27-06-2010, 11:36 PM
Salt & Iodine Enhance Your Health. An interview with Dr Iodine Brownstein.
Some very interesting things about Iodine, Thyroid and Salt.
He touches on other illnesses and bio-identical hormones in this interview.

Salt & Iodine Enhance Your Health (1/4) - YouTube
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nmEKSFLPi_g&feature=related
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dv1nG8IxXiY&feature=related

ariel
29-06-2010, 07:55 PM
OP a sincere thank you for posting this information.

I started on Lugol's 5% about 2 weeks ago, 1st week one drop, this week 2 drops.

cannot believe how much better I feel - tons of energy, feel awake, no longer cold all the time.

Honestly the best supplement I have ever taken, I had never heard of it before your post.

again thank you.

darryl84
29-06-2010, 08:18 PM
OP a sincere thank you for posting this information.

I started on Lugol's 5% about 2 weeks ago, 1st week one drop, this week 2 drops.

cannot believe how much better I feel - tons of energy, feel awake, no longer cold all the time.

Honestly the best supplement I have ever taken, I had never heard of it before your post.

again thank you.

Nice one, something i just realised on top of increased energy and clarity in thinking is i no longer feel the cold as i used too, i hadn't noticed the shift consciously until i read your post!

mark1963
29-06-2010, 08:24 PM
OP a sincere thank you for posting this information.

I started on Lugol's 5% about 2 weeks ago, 1st week one drop, this week 2 drops.

cannot believe how much better I feel - tons of energy, feel awake, no longer cold all the time.

Honestly the best supplement I have ever taken, I had never heard of it before your post.

again thank you.

If you could aim for about 12mg a day which is the desired dosage. If you have an illness then you may need more.

I am glad you feel better and energetic. :)

mark1963
29-06-2010, 08:25 PM
Salt & Iodine Enhance Your Health. An interview with Dr Iodine Brownstein.
Some very interesting things about Iodine, Thyroid and Salt.
He touches on other illnesses and bio-identical hormones in this interview.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Cho8yQt3Co8&feature=relatedhttp://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nmEKSFLPi_g&feature=relatedhttp://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dv1nG8IxXiY&feature=related


Excellent interview, thanks for posting.

analysis
02-07-2010, 05:54 AM
so i went to my local health food store today and asked for iodine for my thyroid
the lady told me i don't need it and to take kelp...
she also informed me the i must see a naturalpath b4 they can sell me the iodine
Can u guys direct me to some good to the point info on the benefits of iodine so i can print it out and take it to my local health food store.

dalem
02-07-2010, 09:49 AM
so i went to my local health food store today and asked for iodine for my thyroid
the lady told me i don't need it and to take kelp...
she also informed me the i must see a naturalpath b4 they can sell me the iodine
Can u guys direct me to some good to the point info on the benefits of iodine so i can print it out and take it to my local health food store.

Forget these controlling facist health food stores. Who is she to tell you what you do or don't need.
I wouldn't play their games.
Order it online.

dalem
02-07-2010, 10:02 AM
I have a bit of a dillemma regarding my cat.
Sorry if you think this is innappropriate here but I think it is relevant to the thread.
Cats also need Iodine and they also suffer the same as we do IE: Thyroid, Kidney, Blood problems.

I wondered if anyone could advise on giving Iodine to my cat.
He has had a couple of fits over the past year.
The vet has done some tests on him and thinks he may have a tumour somewhere on his brain (or at least the start of a tumour)
He first had a fit about 12 months ago, then one in May this year, then June.
They seem to be getting more regular.

I don't want him to suffer during his last years of life. He is 13 now and should be getting old without too much stress.

What do you think? If I gave him 1mg per day?
If you consider I am 70Kg and taking 50mg per day.
That's 1.4mg for each 10Kg of body mass.

I guess he is in the region of 4-5 Kg

Any advice would be greatly appreciated.

mark1963
02-07-2010, 10:34 AM
I have a bit of a dillemma regarding my cat.
Sorry if you think this is innappropriate here but I think it is relevant to the thread.
Cats also need Iodine and they also suffer the same as we do IE: Thyroid, Kidney, Blood problems.

I wondered if anyone could advise on giving Iodine to my cat.
He has had a couple of fits over the past year.
The vet has done some tests on him and thinks he may have a tumour somewhere on his brain (or at least the start of a tumour)
He first had a fit about 12 months ago, then one in May this year, then June.
They seem to be getting more regular.

I don't want him to suffer during his last years of life. He is 13 now and should be getting old without too much stress.

What do you think? If I gave him 1mg per day?
If you consider I am 70Kg and taking 50mg per day.
That's 1.4mg for each 10Kg of body mass.

I guess he is in the region of 4-5 Kg

Any advice would be greatly appreciated.

I gave 1/2 a teaspoon of iodine to my brothers very old (14) and very sick dog in March. It's now healthy (but old).

Whenever I'm over I tip a couple of drops into his mouth.

mark1963
02-07-2010, 10:36 AM
so i went to my local health food store today and asked for iodine for my thyroid
the lady told me i don't need it and to take kelp...
she also informed me the i must see a naturalpath b4 they can sell me the iodine
Can u guys direct me to some good to the point info on the benefits of iodine so i can print it out and take it to my local health food store.

Iodine - Why we need it. (http://www.regenerativenutrition.com/content.asp?id=523#)

Hope this helps :)

blue2
02-07-2010, 01:00 PM
oooh Mark i hope you diluted the iodine for the doggie,with water first.

Magnascent Iodine is the one really do go read www.magnascent.com

-not you Mark as you are aware of this.:)

Anyway shop bought is rubbish...the guy who ships to the UK importer whom i've known for years labels it for Aquariums to get it over without any hassle but it is absolutely pure for humans,or fish.It works. For humans it has a window of energy of two to three hours and needs to be consumed within a few minutes and needs the water to get a charge on it.

darryl84
02-07-2010, 01:26 PM
so i went to my local health food store today and asked for iodine for my thyroid
the lady told me i don't need it and to take kelp...
she also informed me the i must see a naturalpath b4 they can sell me the iodine
Can u guys direct me to some good to the point info on the benefits of iodine so i can print it out and take it to my local health food store.

Kelp has mercury inside it. When i went to my local food shop and spoke to the staff about lugols iodine they asked for more information and said they would order some in to the store.

darryl84
02-07-2010, 01:30 PM
I have a bit of a dillemma regarding my cat.
Sorry if you think this is innappropriate here but I think it is relevant to the thread.
Cats also need Iodine and they also suffer the same as we do IE: Thyroid, Kidney, Blood problems.

I wondered if anyone could advise on giving Iodine to my cat.
He has had a couple of fits over the past year.
The vet has done some tests on him and thinks he may have a tumour somewhere on his brain (or at least the start of a tumour)
He first had a fit about 12 months ago, then one in May this year, then June.
They seem to be getting more regular.

I don't want him to suffer during his last years of life. He is 13 now and should be getting old without too much stress.

What do you think? If I gave him 1mg per day?
If you consider I am 70Kg and taking 50mg per day.
That's 1.4mg for each 10Kg of body mass.

I guess he is in the region of 4-5 Kg

Any advice would be greatly appreciated.


This is off-topic, but your cat may have developed cancer from the food it eats, maybe feed organic meat instead of can processed food, if you already do, then maybe it is the milk the cat drinks, if it drinks milk.

dalem
02-07-2010, 02:05 PM
This is off-topic, but your cat may have developed cancer from the food it eats, maybe feed organic meat instead of can processed food, if you already do, then maybe it is the milk the cat drinks, if it drinks milk.
Thanks.

Because he is a Bhurman Cat they are somewhat prone to these kinds of illnesses. He also has the start of Renal failure but apparently 90% of all cats suffer from that.
The vet has offered to give him an xray but to do that he must be knocked out with anesthetics and i'm just not sure that is good for the old man.
He never drinks milk or canned cat food he is on CD prescription diet.

mark1963
02-07-2010, 04:51 PM
oooh Mark i hope you diluted the iodine for the doggie,with water first.

Magnascent Iodine is the one really do go read www.magnascent.com

-not (http://www.magnascent.com%20%3Cbr%20/%3E%0A%3Cbr%20/%3E%0A%20-not) you Mark as you are aware of this.:)

Anyway shop bought is rubbish...the guy who ships to the UK importer whom i've known for years labels it for Aquariums to get it over without any hassle but it is absolutely pure for humans,or fish.It works. For humans it has a window of energy of two to three hours and needs to be consumed within a few minutes and needs the water to get a charge on it.

Tried the water first, would not touch it, so open mouth and tip.

Sorry.:o

He drank loads of water afterwards though.

Anyway, I'm going to try the magnascent soon, so any advice blue2 would be most welcome.

darryl84
02-07-2010, 05:03 PM
Mark, i've recently been taking aloe vera juice at the same time as the iodone, do you think the iodine uptake would be affected by that? I write this because aloe vera flushes a lot of chemicals out of the body.

blue2
02-07-2010, 05:17 PM
Can i just answer -you are not supposed to use with anything other than water.I don't know what Mark thinks on this...

blue2
02-07-2010, 05:18 PM
Poor doggie Mark:)ouch would sting....doggie will growl sometime at you:) try a syringe with water and iodine in it, er without a needle on the end:):)

darryl84
02-07-2010, 05:32 PM
Can i just answer -you are not supposed to use with anything other than water.I don't know what Mark thinks on this...

I drink lugols iodine solution mixed with mineral water in a cup, but a few minutes before or after i have recently been drinking some aloe vera juice aswell.

mark1963
02-07-2010, 05:42 PM
Mark, i've recently been taking aloe vera juice at the same time as the iodone, do you think the iodine uptake would be affected by that? I write this because aloe vera flushes a lot of chemicals out of the body.

I've never heard of that, is it acidic or alkaline? Remember, shop bought products are usually acidic because they are heated during manufacture.

I've heard of people taking a couple of drops of H2O2 with the iodine. H2O2 is needed by the body to convert the iodine into a form that the thyroid can use.

mark1963
02-07-2010, 05:45 PM
Can i just answer -you are not supposed to use with anything other than water.I don't know what Mark thinks on this...

Generally that's true although many do swear that a slightly acidic environment (apple vinegar, etc) helps with bio-availability. I take it with a teaspoon of rice vinegar, I can feel it working better.

mark1963
02-07-2010, 05:46 PM
Poor doggie Mark:)ouch would sting....doggie will growl sometime at you:) try a syringe with water and iodine in it, er without a needle on the end:):)

Good idea, I'll try it. :)

Did not growl, just went to get some water.

mark1963
02-07-2010, 05:47 PM
I drink lugols iodine solution mixed with mineral water in a cup, but a few minutes before or after i have recently been drinking some aloe vera juice aswell.

Well, how do you feel?

That's the benchmark.

blue2
02-07-2010, 06:16 PM
Exactly:) but it clearly states to use alone in water on John Brookshires site,magnascent.com.
You are using lugols aren't you Mark at present? I am not surprised that the doggie went to drink water he must have thought what is this human doing to me ouch sting sting!!! poor thing..it's nasty in your throat too undiluted can close it up....

mark1963
02-07-2010, 07:10 PM
Exactly:) but it clearly states to use alone in water on John Brookshires site,magnascent.com.
You are using lugols aren't you Mark at present? I am not surprised that the doggie went to drink water he must have thought what is this human doing to me ouch sting sting!!! poor thing..it's nasty in your throat too undiluted can close it up....

Yes, lugol's and in hindsight probably not the best solution for the dog. On the bright side, his coat glistens again and he is a happy doggie.

Syringe in future though.

darryl84
02-07-2010, 07:39 PM
Well, how do you feel?

That's the benchmark.

I feel a little less impact, however i have reduced the amount i have been taking, so there might not be a difference, nevertheless i will seperate the two during the day now.

blue2
02-07-2010, 09:08 PM
Window of active energy is two to three hours with magnascent iodine which means one has to replenish throughout the day for maximum results each day, i'd say 5 drops leading up to 15 if necessary,everyone is diff and finds there own levels but i know magnascent has been found to be tolerable.For me if i take it in water and with my Armourthyroid now that does make a difference-for me anyway. Although Armour can be used sublingually.

I was looking at Merlin whole house Reverse Osmosis y'day and you can buy minerals to remineralise with this one and it doesn't have a tank system to encourage bacteria.

Increasing dose until you feel well again maybe is the answer.

joor
03-07-2010, 11:27 PM
You dont need to buy those expensive drops, be course you can get all the iodine you need from good organic vegetables and fruit like; radishes, asparagus, carrots, tomatoes, spinach, rhubarb, potatoes, peas, strawberries, lettuce, bananas and onions.
My advice is to stop eating meat.

dalem
03-07-2010, 11:36 PM
Why is it needed to but those expensive drops, when we can get all the iodine we need from good organic vegetables and fruit like; radishes, asparagus, carrots, tomatoes, spinach, rhubarb, potatoes, peas, strawberries, lettuce, bananas and onions.
My advice is to stop eating meat.

The truth is that all those veg don't contain enough Iodine. You would have to eat many many Kg every day to get anywhere near the ammount of Iodine that you need.
Don't forget also that our soils are often depleted of Iodine to begin with so no matter what you grow the Iodine isn't there for the veg to uptake.


The highest Veg with Iodine is Kelp and other seaweeds but these sources vary enormously in Iodine content and when dried the Iodine content lowers by evaporation.
Coastal areas do contain more Iodine than inland areas due to the sea mist.

Lugol's Iodine is very cheap if you make it yourself, it cost me about £20
to make enough Iodine to last more than a year.

mark1963
04-07-2010, 07:36 AM
Has anyone tried magnetising their iodine yet?

I've just done it and there may be a subtle difference.

kdvwest
10-07-2010, 11:40 AM
Was curious if anyone heard about Sea Iodine from Life Extension. Was just browsing and came across it and never heard of it before. Says to claim natural iodine up to 1mg per serving.

http://www.bodybuilding.com/store/le/sea-iodine.html


edit: Forgot to mention they also have one with D3 (1,000IU version / 5,000IU version). I'm more for taking it in liquid, but thought that was pretty neat. Maybe the product is BS and they just added that to coax more people into it. It's on the actual life extension website.

mark1963
10-07-2010, 12:16 PM
Was curious if anyone heard about Sea Iodine from Life Extension. Was just browsing and came across it and never heard of it before. Says to claim natural iodine up to 1mg per serving.

http://www.bodybuilding.com/store/le/sea-iodine.html


edit: Forgot to mention they also have one with D3 (1,000IU version / 5,000IU version). I'm more for taking it in liquid, but thought that was pretty neat. Maybe the product is BS and they just added that to coax more people into it. It's on the actual life extension website.

It looks good, but, you should ask how the product is made - is there heat or chemicals used in the extraction. As it's a Life Extension product they should be happy to give you this information.

darryl84
11-07-2010, 08:24 PM
This week i have found that too much iodine makes you insomniatic! And because of that inability to sleep; tense. Still awake and not tired, but less creative in the mind. Thus, on discovering this information, i have come to the conclusion that it is best to take the iodine when your body feels lackluster or sluggish, your body makes it obvious to you when it needs certain nutrients and i think feeling your way when deciding supplement amounts is the most beneficial route of maximising iodine's positive effects.

This makes sense to me, as our body does not need any nutrient everyday, because nutrients are always stored, which is why i do not believe iodine is required everyday. Then again, i can only speak from my own experience, and everyones bodies react in different ways to many things, and iodine appears to be one of them.

mark1963
12-07-2010, 10:44 AM
This week i have found that too much iodine makes you insomniatic! And because of that inability to sleep; tense. Still awake and not tired, but less creative in the mind. Thus, on discovering this information, i have come to the conclusion that it is best to take the iodine when your body feels lackluster or sluggish, your body makes it obvious to you when it needs certain nutrients and i think feeling your way when deciding supplement amounts is the most beneficial route of maximising iodine's positive effects.

This makes sense to me, as our body does not need any nutrient everyday, because nutrients are always stored, which is why i do not believe iodine is required everyday. Then again, i can only speak from my own experience, and everyones bodies react in different ways to many things, and iodine appears to be one of them.

Good comments, a certain amount of iodine is stored. Saying that the body has a large requirement for iodine.

As you say your body may not require the same dose every day.

kdvwest
14-07-2010, 05:59 PM
It looks good, but, you should ask how the product is made - is there heat or chemicals used in the extraction. As it's a Life Extension product they should be happy to give you this information.

Got a reply back from them. I didn't really ask an in-depth question :p

"The iodine in the Sea-Iodine is extracted primarily from Icelandic and Nova Scotian kelp.

The Sea-Iodine provides 1mg of iodine per capsule. So, in order to use this product to replace Lugols, you would need to consume several capsules if you wanted to take the same amount of iodine, as Lugols contains a higher dose per serving.
"

mark1963
14-07-2010, 06:10 PM
Got a reply back from them. I didn't really ask an in-depth question :p

"The iodine in the Sea-Iodine is extracted primarily from Icelandic and Nova Scotian kelp.

The Sea-Iodine provides 1mg of iodine per capsule. So, in order to use this product to replace Lugols, you would need to consume several capsules if you wanted to take the same amount of iodine, as Lugols contains a higher dose per serving.
"

Okay, did you ask whether heat or chemicals were used in the manufacture/extraction?

If not, you may need to ask, sorry.

gaias child
14-07-2010, 06:31 PM
Got a reply back from them. I didn't really ask an in-depth question :p

"The iodine in the Sea-Iodine is extracted primarily from Icelandic and Nova Scotian kelp.

The Sea-Iodine provides 1mg of iodine per capsule. So, in order to use this product to replace Lugols, you would need to consume several capsules if you wanted to take the same amount of iodine, as Lugols contains a higher dose per serving.
"

These ones are pure and organic and free from chemical extraction, if you are in the US, sadly they do not ship to the UK

http://www.wonwithnature.com/won-iodine.html

http://cgi.ebay.com/369-ORGANIC-Iodine-THYROID-Support-4-5-Month-Supply_W0QQitemZ150466466844QQcategoryZ

http://cgi.ebay.com/Pure-Herbs-Thyroid-organic-iodine-4-ounce-T-W_W0QQitemZ160439092725QQcategoryZ101965QQcmdZView ItemQQ_trksidZp4340.m263QQ_trkparmsZalgo%3DSIC%26i ts%3DI%252BC%26itu%3DUCI%252BIA%252BUA%252BFICS%25 2BUFI%252BDDSIC%26otn%3D17%26pmod%3D150446203053%2 6ps%3D63%26clkid%3D7124801970040920838

strawbrowns
19-07-2010, 07:47 PM
Hi

Im new here and this is my 1st post but only a few days ago i was aware of this iodine issue when researching how to get rid of fluoride in the body and i came across "sea kelp" on the internet 400mg per tablet of which 245ug is iodine. cost me £7 for 280 tablets. I wont mention the brand as i dont want anyone thinking im advertising.
Also my reason for wanting to rid the body of fluoride is to help me open the "3rd eye".

mark1963
19-07-2010, 08:45 PM
Hi

Im new here and this is my 1st post but only a few days ago i was aware of this iodine issue when researching how to get rid of fluoride in the body and i came across "sea kelp" on the internet 400mg per tablet of which 245ug is iodine. cost me £7 for 280 tablets. I wont mention the brand as i dont want anyone thinking im advertising.
Also my reason for wanting to rid the body of fluoride is to help me open the "3rd eye".

Welcome and I look forward to your contributions.

245ug of iodine is, unfortunately not much and will not satisfy your bodies requirements.

You should be matching what the Japanese have in their diet, where western diseases are almost unknown (except for the last decade or two since McDonalds et al opened up).

The Japanese diet averages 12.5mg per day.

You could try Lugol's Iodine.

http://www.nutricentre.com/p-25463-health-leads-lugols-iodine-solutions.aspx

This is 12% and will give you 9mg per drop. You could try one or two drops per day and see how you feel.

Best of luck. :)

gnosis_dub
24-07-2010, 04:25 AM
CoastToCoast had a show recently on the connection between your voltage levels and your health. And your voltage level is controlled and determined most of the time to the condition of the thyroid.

Here is more info on iodine from Dr. Jerry Tennant's page:
http://www.tennantinstitute.com/TIIM_MAC/Iodine.html :D

mark1963
24-07-2010, 11:14 AM
CoastToCoast had a show recently on the connection between your voltage levels and your health. And your voltage level is controlled and determined most of the time to the condition of the thyroid.

Here is more info on iodine from Dr. Jerry Tennant's page:
http://www.tennantinstitute.com/TIIM_MAC/Iodine.html :D

Very interesting, I've not heard of that, I will check it out.

Thanks.:)

motleyhoo
25-07-2010, 04:28 AM
That Coast to Coast was Dr. John Apsley. This guy is the real deal, and he is supposed to be coming out with a book about this, including cures for cancer and how bonafide cancer curers like Gerson were run out of business because by corporations not the FDA. With proceeds from the book, he and some fellow Doctors are planning to setup a cancer clinic offshore that will actually cure people. What Apsley has determined is that Iodine is only part of the problem. The other part is that the foods we eat are depleted of the minerals, vitamins, and trace elements that our bodies need to function properly at the cellular level. Without solving that problem too, no amount of Iodine is going to fix you because your cells will still not be able to absorb the nutrients they need.

.

mark1963
25-07-2010, 11:04 AM
That Coast to Coast was Dr. John Apsley. This guy is the real deal, and he is supposed to be coming out with a book about this, including cures for cancer and how bonafide cancer curers like Gerson were run out of business because by corporations not the FDA. With proceeds from the book, he and some fellow Doctors are planning to setup a cancer clinic offshore that will actually cure people. What Apsley has determined is that Iodine is only part of the problem. The other part is that the foods we eat are depleted of the minerals, vitamins, and trace elements that our bodies need to function properly at the cellular level. Without solving that problem too, no amount of Iodine is going to fix you because your cells will still not be able to absorb the nutrients they need.

.


Motleyhoo, when was this broadcast?

I would love to hear it.

blue2
03-08-2010, 12:59 AM
This week i have found that too much iodine makes you insomniatic! And because of that inability to sleep; tense. Still awake and not tired, but less creative in the mind. Thus, on discovering this information, i have come to the conclusion that it is best to take the iodine when your body feels lackluster or sluggish, your body makes it obvious to you when it needs certain nutrients and i think feeling your way when deciding supplement amounts is the most beneficial route of maximising iodine's positive effects.

This makes sense to me, as our body does not need any nutrient everyday, because nutrients are always stored, which is why i do not believe iodine is required everyday. Then again, i can only speak from my own experience, and everyones bodies react in different ways to many things, and iodine appears to be one of them.

You should not take Iodine after 4pm otherwise it can keep some people awake-8am,10am 12 noon 2pm 4pm or four hourly.It is energy. Magnesium mineral is for calm sleeping

blue2
03-08-2010, 01:03 AM
I wouldn't reckon much to tablets and capsules for iodine and kelp is not very strong at all....magnascent iodine from www.magnascent.com is only one with Patent pending.It's purest form and bioavailable. Lugols has 7% Potassium iodide too and 5% iodine but is heavier. Think you get what you pay for with this. Our bodies take what it needs and stores.

blue2
03-08-2010, 01:10 AM
WISHING A WONDERFULLY HAPPY BIRTHDAY TO MARK1963:D

He Who Sleeps is also Awake
He Who has Insight also Sees

2+2=4
4+3=7

There once was a Lion called Mark who went for a walk in the park but when he got there his friend was not there.... for the Lioness had fled;):o

21_12_2012
03-08-2010, 01:33 AM
Thanks.

Because he is a Bhurman Cat they are somewhat prone to these kinds of illnesses. He also has the start of Renal failure but apparently 90% of all cats suffer from that.

90% of cats suffer from it because 90-99% of cats (and dogs) are being fed incorrect food (ie cooked meat/toxic canned and pellets)

Cats should be eating raw whole prey (raw whole rodents / raw whole baby chicks / birds / ground up raw rabbit / insects ).

Also, they shouldn't ever need to drink milk. The reason why they do is because they are craving for calcium, which theyre not getting if they arent fed raw prey (the bones)

And they should hardly ever need to drink water, due to there being enough water in fresh whole prey.

Switch your cat slowly to raw whole prey, firstly with bits of raw chicken breast (organic/free-range), butchers-bought raw minced beef/lamb, and then buy some frozen 1 day old chicks from a reputable pet shop or online. Cut them up and put every bit in it's bowl. It may not eat it straight away being an old cat, but persevere.

If it does eat it you can move on to mice, although you'll need to kill them first, or buy them frozen, (which is not as nutritious as freshly killed, but anything is better than commercial cat food)

All cat foods, whether organic or vet-prescribed, are totally wrong for cats. Ignore vets, they know nothing about pet nutrition, due to being taught in vet schools by representatives from the illuminati pet food companies (theyre mostly all owned by nestle and mars, and contain rancid cancerous toxic dead carcasses....see my signature video for details)

Cooked meats do not provide what a cat needs. Nor do pellets. Nothing commercial will do. Fresh whole raw prey is the only thing for cats to be in proper health.

he is on CD prescription diet.

I haven't heard of this. But i know for definate that it wont be whole raw prey, so it wont solve a thing.

edit:- Sorry for going off topic here, just needed to answer this. Cheers

mark1963
03-08-2010, 09:02 AM
WISHING A WONDERFULLY HAPPY BIRTHDAY TO MARK1963:D

He Who Sleeps is also Awake
He Who has Insight also Sees

2+2-4
4+3-7

There once was a Lion called Mark who went for a walk in the park but when he got there his friend was not there.... for the Lioness had fled;):o

Thank you very much. :)

darryl84
12-08-2010, 08:27 PM
I have started to take a teaspoon of sodium bicarbonate a day (i might raise it too two) to help alkaline my body's ph along with eating more alkaline foods, i am still taking lugols iodine solution in the morning approximately 30 minutes before food, does from your awareness, iodine have a clash of chemical make up too sodium bicarbonate if taken within 30 minutes of each other? As far as im aware, they can both be taken on the same day, what is your opinion mark?

mark1963
12-08-2010, 09:28 PM
I have started to take a teaspoon of sodium bicarbonate a day (i might raise it too two) to help alkaline my body's ph along with eating more alkaline foods, i am still taking lugols iodine solution in the morning approximately 30 minutes before food, does from your awareness, iodine have a clash of chemical make up too sodium bicarbonate if taken within 30 minutes of each other? As far as im aware, they can both be taken on the same day, what is your opinion mark?

I would not recommend more than a teaspoon of bicarb a day and have a day off once every 5 or 6 days. It's strong and needs respect.

You can take the bicarb after about 20 mins after the iodine. Not together, as iodine does absorb better in a slightly acidic environment, perhaps with a few drops of rice or apple vinegar.

margaretr
15-08-2010, 01:31 PM
I have been websearching for the causes of my chronic breathlessness.
Xray 2 years ago reported some 'mid lung thickening', but not sufficient to warrant any inhaled medicines.

I am aware that I have overgrowth of candida albicans and am self treating it.
I am not posting here to give details of that, but to report that my websearching has revealed -
...Potassium Iodide(Lugols Iodine) cures fungal infections of the lungs.

I will now increase my intake to 5 drops 3 times a day, which is the protocol used for 'farmers lung' bronchomycosis. I have not been exposed to mouldy hay, but conclude that the candida has extended its range beyond its usual home in the gut and vagina.

blue2
15-08-2010, 01:37 PM
Yes it elongates from tiny bud in intestines when healthy to a long parasite that gives off systemic candidiasis so it goes through bloodstream and can go into brain -can cause abscesses. I know Hulda Regher Clark used it for salmonella in stomach, magnascent iodine is pure and gets into cells easier but more expensive of course.

mark1963
15-08-2010, 03:09 PM
I have been websearching for the causes of my chronic breathlessness.
Xray 2 years ago reported some 'mid lung thickening', but not sufficient to warrant any inhaled medicines.

I am aware that I have overgrowth of candida albicans and am self treating it.
I am not posting here to give details of that, but to report that my websearching has revealed -
...Potassium Iodide(Lugols Iodine) cures fungal infections of the lungs.

I will now increase my intake to 5 drops 3 times a day, which is the protocol used for 'farmers lung' bronchomycosis. I have not been exposed to mouldy hay, but conclude that the candida has extended its range beyond its usual home in the gut and vagina.

Barring any other symptoms you should look at an overproduction of cortisol from the pituitary gland. You may look at Cushing's syndrome which is an epidemic in the first world that is 99% undiagnosed.

Here is a starting place:

http://curezone.com/forums/am.asp?i=554466

margaretr
15-08-2010, 06:24 PM
Barring any other symptoms you should look at an overproduction of cortisol from the pituitary gland. You may look at Cushing's syndrome which is an epidemic in the first world that is 99% undiagnosed.

Here is a starting place:

http://curezone.com/forums/am.asp?i=554466

I have just looked up Cushings Syndrome - I do not have any of the symptoms and I have never taken steroids

blue2
15-08-2010, 06:46 PM
Currently, I am only taking the Thyroxine. I have just been put on L-Thyroxine 25mg for two weeks after which it will go up to 50mg. I am then to go back to my endocrynologist at the end of 3 months for further tests to see whether or not a higher dose will be required thereafter. But like you would eventually like to replace the thyroxine with a natural remedy as I am not entirely sure what the long term effects of this drug are. I even read somewhere that it may cause breast cancer when used over a long period of time :eek:

You are right about not taking both at the same time though as I did ask my consultant about this.

50mg is said to be a starter dose and often people cannot tolerate higher doses especially not 200 or 250mg can do eye damage, we are talking synthetic hormone here and T4 should be converted in the Liver but a lot cannot do this and lLthyroxine is hard to digest,use Armour myself. Quite often people are undertreated on L thyroxine. Levothyroxine contains anhydrous levothyroxine sodium-also contains lactose, magnesium stearate, maize starch, stearic acid
Of course if you are diabetic or many other disease states you shouldn't have it. There is no mention of any iodine within this at all. I once read on American thyroid association that there is as little as 9% actual hormone in levothyroxine.

mark1963
15-08-2010, 07:00 PM
I have just looked up Cushings Syndrome - I do not have any of the symptoms and I have never taken steroids

That's good.

Let us know what results you get with the iodine.

blue2
15-08-2010, 07:25 PM
Cushing's disease: HW Cushing, American Surgeon,1869-1939. A condition of over-secretion by the adrenal cortex due to an adenoma of the pituitary gland. Symptoms include obesity,abnormal distribution of hair and atrophy of the genital organs.

Cushingoid referring to symptoms resembling those of Cushing's disease, e.g the side effects of steroid therapy.

Hypothyroidism:an insufficiency of thyroid secretion. In children it may produce cretinism. In adults it leads to myxoedema.

Myxoedema: a condition caused by hypothyroidism which is marked by mucoid infiltration of the skin. There is oedema-tous swelling of the face, limbs and hands, dry and rough skin, loss of hair,slow pulse, subnormal temperature,slowed metabolism and mental dullness. Congenital m. cretinism

Often sinus bradycardia 31bpm heart rate by which time you are exhausted.

Pituitary: endocrine gland suspended from the base of the brain and protected by the sella turcica in the sphenoid bone. It consists of two lobes: (a) the anterior,which secretes a number of different hormones, including adreno-cortico-trophic hormone (ACTH), gonadotrophin,thyroid stimulating hormone (TSH) and prolactin; (b) the posterior, which secretes oxytocin and vasopressin. P. dwarfinism a stunting growth in the early years of life due to a deficiency of pituitary growth hormone.

Also as an aside todays Gluten/synthetic chems supermarket breads can block pituitary gland from producing it's growth hormone and it is needed for insulin production within the pancreas-hence diabetes.

margaretr
15-08-2010, 09:58 PM
Also as an aside todays Gluten/synthetic chems supermarket breads can block pituitary gland from producing it's growth hormone and it is needed for insulin production within the pancreas-hence diabetes.

I bake my own bread and add Dulce(seaweed) flakes and ground apricot seeds

blue2
15-08-2010, 11:17 PM
Sounds tasty and reasonably healthy is it organic flour you use? away from supermarkets is best idea...

turtlebear
19-08-2010, 07:30 PM
I have just read the entire Thread and found it very interesting.

I have been on Levothyroxine for about 9 years. Within 2 years of being diagnosed with under-active thyroid, I was also diagnosed with auto-immune insufficiency and low adrenal function. They put me on steroids which I was only on for 6 weeks (during which time I was diagnosed with a voicebox infection and also admitted to hospital with renal colic!!!!). I was sent for yearly visits to see a consultant at the hospital. I didn’t tell them I was already weaning myself off the steroids.

They also wanted to put me on calcium supplements just in case I got osteoporosis (took them for about a month and ditched them).

I had already started seeing a herbalist who has kept me going through the years and started other alternative therapies. The hospital eventually discharged me about 2 years ago and told me I was a bit of a mystery as I had made an impossible recovery from Addison’s Disease. They couldn’t understand why I was so well. (They had mentioned the word Addison’s a bit over the years but never actually said I had it until I had recovered from it).

I really don’t like being on the thyroxine, my question is, can I come off the stuff after all these years or is it too late for me? Any input would be appreciated…

Blessings
Turtlebear

margaretr
19-08-2010, 09:58 PM
Sounds tasty and reasonably healthy is it organic flour you use? away from supermarkets is best idea...

I do use organic flour and butter. It is a brioche recipe I adapted for the machine which also uses 2 free range eggs (know they are because the smallholding is about 30ft my kitchen window)

manit
20-08-2010, 09:09 AM
i take Holland & Barrett Radiance multivitamins & minerals and there iodine rda is 93% so i suppose this is ok :):)

lavey
20-08-2010, 11:38 AM
This is really confusing. Now there are two contradicting theories concerning iodine.

Maybe it's different between the U.S. and Germany where I live. But here you get iodine everywhere. It's added to most of our salt, and it's hard to get some food without it. Now you can buy a whole lot of books named "Die Iod-Lüge" (The iodine lie). There you can read how we are systematically given too much iodine, as it's often added to salt, food, etc. In some places it's said to be added to the drinking water. And now many doctors are coming forward and say how poisonous that is, that we're taking much more iodine than is healthy and that it's making us sick. More and more people here stop taking the iodine tablets their doctors gave them, and they start feeling better. In the supermarkets natural salt without added iodine is emerging because of these findings.

A friend of mine fell into a coma, and it was found that she had too much iodine in her body, and she was forbidden to eat salt with added iodine or foods with added iodine. Now she takes care of it. She doesn't use iodine salt any more and feels much better.

Now others say that the iodine is systematically stripped from our food, and this makes us sick, too.

Either there are really huge differences between the U.S. and Germany, and U.S. citizens really get too few of it while we get too much of it, or something with these theories is definitely wrong :confused:

blue2
20-08-2010, 11:47 AM
Lavey it is maybe the type and synthetic nature of what is being added cos you cannot trust Supermarkets with your health,too much processing and adding in of synthetics chems and petro chemical rubbish. Magnascent iodine is purest form and liquid and bioavailable and patent pending. Iodine tablets may well not absorb and contain non pure fillers too so it maybe that this then will become toxic. You do need iodine for thyroid function and Japanese in their diets take in 12.5mg daily from raw sushi,nori and seaweeds...

davehibb
20-08-2010, 04:40 PM
Firstly I'd like to thank Mark1963 for bringing this matter to all our attentions in this thread and for his and everyone else's input, it really is an eye opener.

I've been following the thread for a while now and have just ordered a bottle of Lugol's online and I'll post my progress with it when it arrives.

I don't think the area in the UK I live in has fluride added to tap water (though I need to double check), though it probably has other crap in it so would it be suggested I use bottled water from one of the brands that doesn't have fluride added when starting my course of Lugols? I'm afraid I don't have a water filter... Yet.

Also and this may be a no brainer given the body's need for Iodine but are there any guidelines for taking it during pregnancy? That's more for my wife's benefit than my own. ;)

Thanks again everyone!

gaias child
20-08-2010, 05:12 PM
This is really confusing. Now there are two contradicting theories concerning iodine.

Maybe it's different between the U.S. and Germany where I live. But here you get iodine everywhere. It's added to most of our salt, and it's hard to get some food without it. Now you can buy a whole lot of books named "Die Iod-Lüge" (The iodine lie). There you can read how we are systematically given too much iodine, as it's often added to salt, food, etc. In some places it's said to be added to the drinking water. And now many doctors are coming forward and say how poisonous that is, that we're taking much more iodine than is healthy and that it's making us sick. More and more people here stop taking the iodine tablets their doctors gave them, and they start feeling better. In the supermarkets natural salt without added iodine is emerging because of these findings.

A friend of mine fell into a coma, and it was found that she had too much iodine in her body, and she was forbidden to eat salt with added iodine or foods with added iodine. Now she takes care of it. She doesn't use iodine salt any more and feels much better.

Now others say that the iodine is systematically stripped from our food, and this makes us sick, too.

Either there are really huge differences between the U.S. and Germany, and U.S. citizens really get too few of it while we get too much of it, or something with these theories is definitely wrong :confused:

Yes too much iodine can cause thyroid problems too

http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/20172475

Iodine excess.
Bürgi H.

International Council for the Control of Iodine Deficiency Disorders (ICCIDD), CH-4500 Solothurn, Switzerland. [email protected]

Abstract
Several mechanisms are involved in the maintenance of normal thyroid hormone secretion, even when iodine intake exceeds physiologic needs by a factor of 100. The sodium-iodide symporter system contributes most to this stability. Faced with an iodine excess, it throttles the transport of iodide into the thyroid cells, the rate-limiting step of hormone synthesis. Even before the iodine symporter reacts, a sudden iodine overload paradoxically blocks the second step of hormone synthesis, the organification of iodide. This so-called Wolff-Chaikoff effect requires a high (>or=10(-3) molar) intracellular concentration of iodide. The block does not last long, because after a while the sodium-iodide symporter shuts down; this allows intracellular iodide to drop below 10(-3) molar and the near-normal secretion to resume. In some susceptible individuals (e.g., after radio-iodine treatment of Graves' disease or in autoimmune thyroiditis), the sodium-iodide symporter fails to shut down, the intracellular concentration of iodide remains high and chronic hypothyroidism ensues. To complicate matters, iodine excess may also cause hyperthyroidism. The current explanation is that this happens in persons with goitres, for example, after long-standing iodine deficiency. These goitres may contain nodules carrying a somatic mutation that confers a 'constitutive' activation of the TSH receptor. Being no more under pituitary control, these nodules overproduce thyroid hormone and cause iodine-induced hyperthyroidism, when they are presented with sufficient iodine. These autonomous nodules gradually disappear from the population after iodine deficiency has been properly corrected. More recent studies suggest that chronic high iodine intake furthers classical thyroid autoimmunity (hypothyroidism and thyroiditis) and that iodine-induced hyperthyroidism may also have an autoimmune pathogenesis


http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/20172475

gaias child
20-08-2010, 05:19 PM
The TSH test and why it is useless

http://www.stopthethyroidmadness.com/tsh-why-its-useless/

Not only are patients with OBVIOUS thyroid probems being told they have no thy­roid pro­blem because of a “nor­mal” TSH (i.e. a TSH num­ber in range), they are being held hos­tage to the TSH range when on thy­roid medi­ca­tions, EVEN THOUGH the patient con­ti­nues to have typi­cal hypothy­roid symp­toms while in the range.

WHAT IS THE TSH??? In your body, the Thy­roid Sti­mu­la­ting Hor­mone (TSH) is synthe­si­zed and sec­re­ted by your pitui­tary gland…i.e. it’s a PITUITARY hor­mone, NOT a thy­roid hor­mone. You can view the TSH like a mes­sen­ger sent to knock on the door of the thy­roid. And its pur­pose is to regu­late your thy­roid gland – to tell it to pro­duce more, or to tell it to pro­duce less. In a healthy indi­vi­dual, its mes­sage is based on whether your blood levels have too little thy­roid hor­mo­nes to meet the demands of your body, or too much.

When the thy­roid gland beco­mes disea­sed or disa­bled and fails to do its job ade­qua­tely (called hypothy­roid), the TSH knocks and knocks on the door, and theo­re­ti­cally, the TSH lab will show a high num­ber. Or, if the thy­roid gland gets on its exer­cise bicycle and over­pro­du­ces thy­roid hor­mo­nes (called hyperthy­roid), the TSH lab will theo­re­ti­cally go low to show that the TSH in your body isn’t knocking.

Occa­sio­nally, patients will have a very low TSH with raging hypothy­roid symp­toms, and that can point to a pro­blem in the Pitui­tary gland, called Hypo­pi­tui­tary. The lat­ter is usually due to a disea­sed pitui­tary gland, or a pro­blem with the Hypotha­la­mus, which is the organ that sends it’s mes­sen­ger to the Pitui­tary. (The Hypotha­la­mus, Pitui­tary and Thy­roid glands make up with is called a Feed­back Loop.)

WHEN WAS THE TSH LAB DEVELOPED?? The TSH lab test was deve­lo­ped around 1973, and it is our unders­tan­ding that appro­xi­ma­tely 200 volun­teers were used to esta­blish the “nor­mal” range. Over the years, addi­tio­nal popu­la­tion stu­dies have been done to back up the range. The “nor­mal” refe­rence range is inten­ded to repre­sent the range of values for those in a healthy popu­la­tion without any thy­roid pro­blem. The lowest and highest rea­dings to create the range are usually thrown out.

But sad to con­si­der, how do they really KNOW that those in the so-called healthy popu­la­tion weren’t already on a slide into hypothy­roid? How many millions of hypothy­roid patients have been told they were nor­mal, even when symp­toms per­sis­ted that doc­tors dismissed?

Dr. David Derry (in the second link below) of Canada was prac­ti­cing medi­cine when the TSH lab was intro­du­ced, and he made the pro­found observation:

“The con­sen­sus of thy­roi­do­lo­gists deci­ded in 1973 that the TSH (lab) was the blood test they had been loo­king for all through the years. This was about two years after I star­ted prac­tice. Having been taught how to diag­nose hypothy­roid con­di­tions cli­ni­cally, I was in a posi­tion to watch to see what the rela­tion of the TSH was to the onset of hypothy­roi­dism. What I found was many peo­ple would deve­lop clas­sic signs and symp­toms of hypothy­roi­dism but the TSH was ever so slow to become abnor­mal, rise and con­firm the cli­ni­cal diag­no­sis. Some­ti­mes it never did. Finally I began trea­ting patients with hypothy­roid in the nor­mal man­ner I was taught. I could not see why I had to wait for the TSH to rise for me to be able to treat them.”

Dr. Derry dis­co­ve­red exactly what we, as patients, have expe­rien­ced for more than three deca­des! Namely, not only has the TSH lab fai­led to reveal that we were ALREADY hypothy­roid, it fails us when we are dosing our medi­cia­tion. In other words, the TSH is tho­roughly unre­la­ted to how we feel!

This has been ESPECIALLY true when on ina­de­quate T4-only meds, and it con­ti­nues to be true when we start on Armour IF we are for­ced to stay within the TSH range.

WHAT IS PATIENT EXPERIENCE WITH THE TSH LAB? It’s lousy. First, there is a huge body of hypothy­roid patients who have a so-called “nor­mal” TSH lab…along with clas­sic or raging hypothy­roid symp­toms. And because doc­tors have become lab-obsessed rather than giving cre­dence to cli­ni­cal pre­sen­ta­tion, patients remain undiag­no­sed for years before the num­ber rises high enough to reveal the condition.

Then, even when the patient is on a T4-only medi­ca­tion, or on desic­ca­ted thy­roid, some symp­toms remain – from mild to disa­bling – when they are for­ced to stay in the TSH range. Addi­tio­nally, because doc­tors view the TSH man-made lab as infa­lli­ble, they fail to unders­tand that the con­ti­nued symp­tom com­plaints by patients reveal that the lab and its range is unre­lia­ble and a huge failure!

Patients who have switched to natu­ral desic­ca­ted thy­roid have dis­co­ve­red that when they are allo­wed to dose by the COMPLETE eli­mi­na­tion of symp­toms, which also puts the free T3 at the top of the range, they will end up with a TSH lab VERY BELOW range.….…and not one hint of hyperthy­roid. It is not uncom­mon to see a TSH of .009 or .004 when opti­mal, for exam­ple, yet not one iota of hyper. (If you do have a sup­pres­sed TSH with hyper-like symp­toms, it’s time to check your adre­nal sta­tus or your Reverse T3/Free T3 ratio. The STTM book has more infor­ma­tion about the latter.)

Addi­tio­nally, patients see both their heart health and their bone strength com­ple­tely improve, even with a TSH far below the so-called nor­mal range, when on an opti­mal amount of desic­ca­ted thy­roid and strong adre­nals or ade­quate adre­nal support.

WHAT IS THE BOTTOM LINE ABOUT THE TSH LAB ACCORDING TO THE EXPERIENCE OF PATIENTS? Two words: it sucks. It lea­ves hypothy­roid patients undiag­no­sed for years. And even when on meds, its dubious nor­mal range lea­ves patients with con­ti­nuing hypothy­roid symp­toms, inc­lu­ding bone den­sity and heart pro­blems. The best use for the TSH per­tains to what is IS: a PITUITARY HORMONE! And for that, it’s a good guide to reveal if you have a mal­func­tio­ning pitui­tary gland, espe­cially if you have a very low TSH and low free T3, accom­pa­nied by raging hypothy­roid symptoms.

pegcityevolve
20-08-2010, 07:25 PM
So what IS too much iodine? I take 7 drops everyday.

mark1963
20-08-2010, 07:31 PM
So what IS too much iodine? I take 7 drops everyday.

What is the %-tage?

blue2
20-08-2010, 08:58 PM
Depends also what type of iodine too as tablets don't absorb terribly well. I agree with what Gaias child has put on here as blood reference ranges/intervals are only supposed to be secondary to Clinical symptoms how the patient is feeling have symptoms gone is that person energetic in a normal way and sleeping well and metabolism and pulse normal. Use Broda Barnes technique of temperature taking underarm before getting out of bed. I was hypothyroid many many decades before it showing in blood tests. Also will depend on bread consumption and gluten and any other allergies that you may not realise you have like casein in milk-gluten and bread suck away iodine absorption and blocks Pituitary gland from producing it's growth hormone. Hypothalamus was associated in ME too which makes me suspicious of a lot of the labelling of folks with these diseases when first and foremost it should be thoroughly investigated to see if patient has hypothyroidism-but majority of doctors haven't a clue how tom diagnose it.

davehibb
25-08-2010, 08:37 AM
My 100ml bottle of Lugols arrived yesterday via the Nutricentre link provided by Mark1963. It doesn't actually state it on the bottle or packaging or even on the web page I don't think but I'm presuming it's 7%?

I started with 6 drops in a glass of water this morning and I'll let you all know how I get on.

I have a few fillings and a nasty metal cap. Tap water in our area isn't fluridated and I've recently changed to an aloe vera toothpaste so we'll see how I get on with six drops and I'll maybe up the dosage if i don't see any improvement over the next week or so.

mark1963
25-08-2010, 03:43 PM
My 100ml bottle of Lugols arrived yesterday via the Nutricentre link provided by Mark1963. It doesn't actually state it on the bottle or packaging or even on the web page I don't think but I'm presuming it's 7%?

I started with 6 drops in a glass of water this morning and I'll let you all know how I get on.

I have a few fillings and a nasty metal cap. Tap water in our area isn't fluridated and I've recently changed to an aloe vera toothpaste so we'll see how I get on with six drops and I'll maybe up the dosage if i don't see any improvement over the next week or so.

It's 12%, so 1 or 2 drops daily should be fine.

blue2
25-08-2010, 07:16 PM
Won't 7% of it be Potassium iodide? and 5% iodine.

davehibb
26-08-2010, 08:31 AM
Ah, right. Thanks for the info Mark.

I took 6 drops yesterday morning. I don't think it will have done me any harm.

This morning was only the second time I've taken the drops (3) but I've noticed a few changes. They may be unrelated or not but if they aren't it's a big coincidence.

First up, yesterday afternoon I didn't feel my usual groggy self, struggling to stay awake at my PC at work. I wouldn't say I was bouncing around with energy but I certainly wasn't groggy and lethargic.

The same goes for when I woke up this morning. I hardly bounded out of bed full of energy but I didn't feel anywhere near as sluggish as I normally would. I could probably use more sleep anyway as I usually only get around six and a half hours but I did feel better than I normally would.

Upon waking i also remembered a little of what I'd been dreaming about. I can't for the life of me remember what it was now but upon waking I certainly knew I'd been dreaming. It's been a while since I've been able to remember even the most lucid of dreams.

When I got to work this morning i made my early morning cuppa. Now I used to have a sweetener in my tea or coffee but I gave them up recently for obvious reasons and reverted back to having about a third of a teaspoon of sugar. However that third of a teaspoon now tastes like I've put about four spoons of sugar in my tea. I noticed someone who posted in the thread earlier had a similar experience with sugary foods.

So, there could all be just coincidences or they could all be slight improvements after just one day of adding iodine to my diet.

I think I probably know which it is. ;)

mark1963
26-08-2010, 11:08 AM
Ah, right. Thanks for the info Mark.

I took 6 drops yesterday morning. I don't think it will have done me any harm.

This morning was only the second time I've taken the drops (3) but I've noticed a few changes. They may be unrelated or not but if they aren't it's a big coincidence.

First up, yesterday afternoon I didn't feel my usual groggy self, struggling to stay awake at my PC at work. I wouldn't say I was bouncing around with energy but I certainly wasn't groggy and lethargic.

The same goes for when I woke up this morning. I hardly bounded out of bed full of energy but I didn't feel anywhere near as sluggish as I normally would. I could probably use more sleep anyway as I usually only get around six and a half hours but I did feel better than I normally would.

Upon waking i also remembered a little of what I'd been dreaming about. I can't for the life of me remember what it was now but upon waking I certainly knew I'd been dreaming. It's been a while since I've been able to remember even the most lucid of dreams.

When I got to work this morning i made my early morning cuppa. Now I used to have a sweetener in my tea or coffee but I gave them up recently for obvious reasons and reverted back to having about a third of a teaspoon of sugar. However that third of a teaspoon now tastes like I've put about four spoons of sugar in my tea. I noticed someone who posted in the thread earlier had a similar experience with sugary foods.

So, there could all be just coincidences or they could all be slight improvements after just one day of adding iodine to my diet.

I think I probably know which it is. ;)

It could be the iodine, but give it a week to really know the difference. :)

nightrain86
27-08-2010, 08:21 AM
So glad i found this thread.

I recently posted about needing some help with my health and the best way to start would be to replenish my iodine levels.

All this information is wonderfull.

mark1963 if it's no trouble could you please post a link to where you get yours from?

I was thinking about ordering mine through this site

http://www.jcrowsmarketplace.com/1ozlugolssolution5valuepriceincludesshipping.aspx

but shipping can take a long time to get to Aus apparently.

Cheers.

nightrain86
29-08-2010, 06:30 AM
Also what is the best source of selenium or the best supplement for it?

thank you.

margaretr
29-08-2010, 11:50 AM
I am battling systemic candida overgrowth.
I have had results from using MMS as a candida mould killer.
I have also tried Citricidal, but had a massive nasty herxheimer reaction, which may have even been a grapefruit allergy reaction.

When searching for what is best for me to use, I came across old medical reports about 'farmers lung'. My most disabling symptom is breathlessness, and may well be due to the candida having reached there.

The old style treatment for farmers Lung was 15 drops a day of Lugols Iodine.
So I have been trying it, along with a strict sugar free and yeast free diet.
I am having a very mild herxheimer reaction, which is a good sign that the little blighters are dying. I have confidence that the Lugols is helping with 'the kill', in a more comfortable way that the other two methods did.

darryl84
30-08-2010, 08:32 PM
I am battling systemic candida overgrowth.
I have had results from using MMS as a candida mould killer.
I have also tried Citricidal, but had a massive nasty herxheimer reaction, which may have even been a grapefruit allergy reaction.

When searching for what is best for me to use, I came across old medical reports about 'farmers lung'. My most disabling symptom is breathlessness, and may well be due to the candida having reached there.

The old style treatment for farmers Lung was 15 drops a day of Lugols Iodine.
So I have been trying it, along with a strict sugar free and yeast free diet.
I am having a very mild herxheimer reaction, which is a good sign that the little blighters are dying. I have confidence that the Lugols is helping with 'the kill', in a more comfortable way that the other two methods did.

Have you tried taking salvestrols? http://www.naturopharma.com

mark1963
30-08-2010, 09:12 PM
Also what is the best source of selenium or the best supplement for it?

thank you.

there's alot of information out there regarding selenium.

Here is an example of a reasonable site, but like always you may want to investigate yourself. Eggs have a good source of selenium, but the best way to ingest it is in a raw egg (organic of course). Liver is another good source.

Other than that then a supplement may be best.

http://thyroid.about.com/gi/dynamic/offsite.htm?site=http://www.healthy.net/asp/templates/article.asp%3FPageType=Article%26ID=577

mark1963
30-08-2010, 09:13 PM
I am battling systemic candida overgrowth.
I have had results from using MMS as a candida mould killer.
I have also tried Citricidal, but had a massive nasty herxheimer reaction, which may have even been a grapefruit allergy reaction.

When searching for what is best for me to use, I came across old medical reports about 'farmers lung'. My most disabling symptom is breathlessness, and may well be due to the candida having reached there.

The old style treatment for farmers Lung was 15 drops a day of Lugols Iodine.
So I have been trying it, along with a strict sugar free and yeast free diet.
I am having a very mild herxheimer reaction, which is a good sign that the little blighters are dying. I have confidence that the Lugols is helping with 'the kill', in a more comfortable way that the other two methods did.

That is good news, could you come back and report your continuing progress?

blue2
30-08-2010, 09:29 PM
I am battling systemic candida overgrowth.
I have had results from using MMS as a candida mould killer.
I have also tried Citricidal, but had a massive nasty herxheimer reaction, which may have even been a grapefruit allergy reaction.

When searching for what is best for me to use, I came across old medical reports about 'farmers lung'. My most disabling symptom is breathlessness, and may well be due to the candida having reached there.

The old style treatment for farmers Lung was 15 drops a day of Lugols Iodine.
So I have been trying it, along with a strict sugar free and yeast free diet.
I am having a very mild herxheimer reaction, which is a good sign that the little blighters are dying. I have confidence that the Lugols is helping with 'the kill', in a more comfortable way that the other two methods did.

Some believe we need candida but it is ok if it doesn't get out of control otherwise it can kill you for sure...Dr Simonicini has been treating....David Favor on radicalhealth.com also wrote on it and treatments...when i did mine it was in a near death haem experience and i had to have Nystatin powder and it was the very devil as if i stopped it sore throats would erupt again and it went on for two yrs like this...i would have used mega amounts of Pro Biotics like Solgar multiacidophilus if i'd known back then but it was an extremely scary time...and i had to keep off Wheat and Gluten and sugar....and dairy...drink plenty water....magnascent is lighter and purer form of iodine...and less negative reactions bioavailable...

margaretr
30-08-2010, 10:55 PM
Have you tried taking salvestrols? http://www.naturopharma.com

I have looked at the ingredients - 'fruit extracts'
I am on a sucrose free, lactose free and fructose free diet
..and no yeast products.
...eating lots of yogurt

I bought two books -
The Yeast Connection -Wm G Crook MD, (but don't like the way he approves of aspartamine):eek:
Erica White's Beat Candida Cookbook

I have a comprehensive range of vits minerals and antioxidents.

One thing that has helped with sugar craving is Liquorice root tea - seems naturally sweet.

I have spent today clearing my kitchen cupboards of all my banned foodstuffs. I have put them in a large plastic storage box.
What I don't see wont tempt :D

nightrain86
31-08-2010, 05:54 AM
there's alot of information out there regarding selenium.

Here is an example of a reasonable site, but like always you may want to investigate yourself. Eggs have a good source of selenium, but the best way to ingest it is in a raw egg (organic of course). Liver is another good source.

Other than that then a supplement may be best.

http://thyroid.about.com/gi/dynamic/offsite.htm?site=http://www.healthy.net/asp/templates/article.asp%3FPageType=Article%26ID=577

Thank you for the reply :)

So is there a certain supplement i should be taking with the iodine besides selenium? I was on another natural health forum recently and they were saying it's best to take salt with it and vit C because of some side effects from the iodine including acne on the forehead and hair loss/shedding...have you come across those side effects before?

I'm just a little bit nervous about starting treatment that's all.

Thanks.

mark1963
31-08-2010, 06:54 PM
So glad i found this thread.

I recently posted about needing some help with my health and the best way to start would be to replenish my iodine levels.

All this information is wonderfull.

mark1963 if it's no trouble could you please post a link to where you get yours from?

I was thinking about ordering mine through this site

http://www.jcrowsmarketplace.com/1ozlugolssolution5valuepriceincludesshipping.aspx

but shipping can take a long time to get to Aus apparently.

Cheers.

I get it from here:

http://www.nutricentre.com/default.aspx

Search for lugols.

mark1963
31-08-2010, 06:59 PM
Thank you for the reply :)

So is there a certain supplement i should be taking with the iodine besides selenium? I was on another natural health forum recently and they were saying it's best to take salt with it and vit C because of some side effects from the iodine including acne on the forehead and hair loss/shedding...have you come across those side effects before?

I'm just a little bit nervous about starting treatment that's all.

Thanks.

Nope, never had those effects.

To be frank, people look to much into stuff and end up buying tons of stuff that has a minimal effect.

If you want the best nutrition, then get a juicer and have a fruit juice in the morning (it's not fructose in fruit, it's levolose, fructose is a con) and have 1/2 a cucumber, 2 sticks of celery and a tomato all juiced up at night.


The amount of vitamins you need in a 6 month period will fit inside a thimble, honestly.

mark1963
31-08-2010, 07:00 PM
You do need iodine though, that is essential for life.

nightrain86
31-08-2010, 07:10 PM
Thank you again for the replies.

I'll be ordering some Lugols first thing tomorrow.

I'll be sure to report my results too.

Once again thanks.

nightrain86
01-09-2010, 10:15 AM
What do you think of this as a selenium supplement?

http://www.iherb.com/Source-Naturals-Selenium-From-L-Selenomethionine-200-mcg-120-Tablets/1408?at=0

blue2
03-09-2010, 09:40 PM
Fruit though i was told by a Nutrition nurse and i certainly found it to be true that fruit first thing in morning can make for a low blood sugar by midday and advised protein first for energy but it depends on protein really maybe some fresh fish and veges chopped lightly stir fried in olive oil and add some lemon juice in fact a drink of water with fresh lemon into it each morning is good and so is red or pink grapefruit..it would depend if fruit can be tolerated. Proteins do keep blood glucose more stable...but i wouldn't advocate a steak,we do need to be able to utilize proteins so you get your amino acids cos they are very important for good health..and with something like Somatomed you would get this,from Vespro. Yes i was told to reverse my meals and have dinner for breakfast but that i find hard to do although fish is light enough. I know Mark won't agree but then we have to disagree sometimes!! sorry.

Selenium why not try the Ionic from Detoxyourworld.com it will go into cells better. Nightrain anyone with hairloss likely has an underactive thyroid and may well need Armourthyroid, and minerals like the ionics and Men or Lady's PQ muti vit min capsule for balance-see Thyroid Patient Advocacy and Thyroid UK...any acne is toxins coming out cos they are ree circulating as iodine is a detoxing mineral and not drinking enough water like 4 litres daily..you ned Magnesium too and the ionics are good,if you can afford and Spirulina is an excellent all rounder a complete nutrition, and the protein is not like meats that are acidic, to pop into your veg and fruit smoothies the chlorophyll should clear acne,get it from detoxyourworld.com...actually the RDA for mins and vits is a little low in UK but tablets are a no no cos they don't absorb well and will have fillers in and E numbers etc.

nightrain86
04-09-2010, 04:48 AM
Nightrain anyone with hairloss likely has an underactive thyroid and may well need Armourthyroid

Wouldn't just taking lugols iodine help restore the thyroid instead of armourthyroud?

blue2
04-09-2010, 11:11 AM
It didn't with me when i used Lugols years ago as it suspends in stomach for salmonella-but i use Armourthyroid and Magnascent Iodine now although hands up i sometimes neglect the iodine but i feel good with no ill effects with these, my son too. Lugols is different to Magnascent which is the purest form and Lugols usually has mixture of Potassium Iodide and iodine and is heavier not as bioavailable and some people can be allergic to lugols but magnascent is better tolerated even by children-of course more expensive too.
Anyone with a TSH of 2.0 is classed as Hypothyroid..but relying on blood tests can be unreliable marker and i know this from years of suffering at hands of NHS Dr's and i've tested GP's with this too as i buy my own Armour in and in trying to get it on NHS it was four months of backwards and forwards for blood tests cos she didn't understand them whilst on Armour and then i was told i was Hyperthyoid and to stop the Armour, very silly cos it was not truth because i had no symptoms of Hyperthyroidism and i am pretty certain that some people who are so diagnosed may not be at all and they may well be underactive cos bloods are not consistent, so in upping and downing or stopping dosages then the patient very quickly gets ill again,in fact i increased my Armour again myself then told my private doctor who wrote to her telling her he'd had to increase it again cos i'd become unwell again and no i did not have to pay him to say that-he just understood how these things work and no bloods shouldn't be tested when on Armour because with T3 and other hormones within it, bloods will be bizarre to untrained eye and i say untrained meaning most doctors !

I have a letter from DOH stating that blood tests should be a guidance only secondary to Clinical observations and symptoms.

My son was taken off his Armour for lack of understadning and he was so damaged by Levothyroxine and incidently starting dose is 50mcg so he was still ill and he gradually rose it to 250mcg then the next morning he had an eye that had changed colour changed in it's size and short term memory injury and eyelid that was severely drooped...eventually after much damage that i was fuming over and would have sued but it was up to my son as an adult-so i took over and he got well again with Armour. He was referred to a Prof of Endocrinology who did nothing different and my son suffered immensely back and forth 78 miles of driving when unfit to do so, before that it was Neurologists who said he had Horners syndrome that too was load of bull because with that condition it doesn't disappear.

User Beware of Levothtyroxine is all i can say.

When i was 0.00 on bloods with Armour i felt well not hyperthyroid with no symptoms of it...it is how the patient feels that is important.. clinical symptoms...my son was even told by the GP who made him ill with her mis- treatments that Armourthyroid could cause cancer now how the bl.... hell could she make this thing up when she told me she had no experience of Armour despite having prescribed it for 18months...it was a scare tactic that failed to work. See Dr Gordon Skinner's book on Hypothyroidism and it's Management.

12.5mg of Iodine is what Japanese women consume apparently on daily basis from their Sushi and Seaweeds.

I have a friend who was prescribed T3 on NHS. I do not know what fillers it may contain but she seems well on it. It was me who alerted her to fact that by symptoms i thought she could have hypothyroidism...and sent her the book Tears Behind Closed Doors by Diana Holmes she managed to read it and then sent it to her sister cos she was sure she too had it, they did have it. Thyroid UK Lyn Mynott said to me that other things do not have the Hormones in so often people with Hypothyroidism do not get well enough.

Google acne and see what comes up...all you can do is use the iodine and see what happens for you... as we are all different... and we each may react differently.

I can use magnascent iodine neat on skin but lugols burns more...i even thought last night about the acne and wondered if whoever suffers with it may consider bathing face with bicarbonate soda and water and also taking a teaspoon with a teaspoon of Aspalls Organic Cyder Vinegar in water and for colds every two hours to clear infections..see Mark Sircus books..but it is Hormonal fluctuations with acne like testosterone,oestrogens,progesterone and others and of course in teenage yrs anything upsets balance. Tea coffee alcohol-stress can upset adrenals balance. Food Allergies can cause upsets to Thyroid balance too and reduce hormones.

Bread do not eat it, instead eat dark ryvitas and wholegrain rice cakes, bread absorbs iodine in any case and acts like a sponge sucking it up so it won't absorb anyway. Hope it helps. You try what you try and do and if it works it works if it doesn't then you have further information to delve into that's all Nightrain86. I give this out from experience and i am aware we are all different and we each do what we feel is necessary and we want to do. If someone had seriously low thyroid like i did when my TSH had reached 7.6 after sixteen years of suffering then you know about it and you need hormones or it is not long before death,it was in my experiences. Dr's also say that you get Osteoporosis with Hyperthyroidism what they fail to understand is you also do with Hypothyroidism.

At outset you may be ok with iodine - but if in a few months you are not energetic with no symptoms then you will know..but you have to be vigilant with it and take regularly with magnascent iodine it has a window of energy of two to three hours and that is how often it needs taking as it goes to where it is needed at cellular level and we have millions of them. People who think they have underactive thyroid may not have.

Then there are other minerals that are needed by the body like Magnesium and others like manganese etc and best helped by ionic minerals- aside from iodine. Hair samples i found reliable for mineral analysis. Then the Adrenals need testing by way of 24hr saliva test and you may need to keep an eye on this as in a few months it may have changed again so where it may not show anything initially it may do later on.

blue2
05-09-2010, 03:11 PM
It didn't with me when i used Lugols years ago as it suspends in stomach for salmonella-but i use Armourthyroid and Magnascent Iodine now although hands up i sometimes neglect the iodine but i feel good with no ill effects with these, my son too. Lugols is different to Magnascent which is the purest form and Lugols usually has mixture of Potassium Iodide and iodine and is heavier not as bioavailable and some people can be allergic to lugols but magnascent is better tolerated even by children-of course more expensive too.
Anyone with a TSH of 2.0 is classed as Hypothyroid..but relying on blood tests can be unreliable marker and i know this from years of suffering at hands of NHS Dr's and i've tested GP's with this too as i buy my own Armour in and in trying to get it on NHS it was four months of backwards and forwards for blood tests cos she didn't understand them whilst on Armour and then i was told i was Hyperthyoid and to stop the Armour, very silly cos it was not truth because i had no symptoms of Hyperthyroidism and i am pretty certain that some people who are so diagnosed may not be at all and they may well be underactive cos bloods are not consistent, so in upping and downing or stopping dosages then the patient very quickly gets ill again,in fact i increased my Armour again myself then told my private doctor who wrote to her telling her he'd had to increase it again cos i'd become unwell again and no i did not have to pay him to say that-he just understood how these things work and no bloods shouldn't be tested when on Armour because with T3 and other hormones within it, bloods will be bizarre to untrained eye and i say untrained meaning most doctors !

I have a letter from DOH stating that blood tests should be a guidance only secondary to Clinical observations and symptoms.

My son was taken off his Armour for lack of understadning and he was so damaged by Levothyroxine and incidently starting dose is 50mcg so he was still ill and he gradually rose it to 250mcg then the next morning he had an eye that had changed colour changed in it's size and short term memory injury and eyelid that was severely drooped...eventually after much damage that i was fuming over and would have sued but it was up to my son as an adult-so i took over and he got well again with Armour. He was referred to a Prof of Endocrinology who did nothing different and my son suffered immensely back and forth 78 miles of driving when unfit to do so, before that it was Neurologists who said he had Horners syndrome that too was load of bull because with that condition it doesn't disappear.

User Beware of Levothtyroxine is all i can say.

When i was 0.00 on bloods with Armour i felt well not hyperthyroid with no symptoms of it...it is how the patient feels that is important.. clinical symptoms...my son was even told by the GP who made him ill with her mis- treatments that Armourthyroid could cause cancer now how the bl.... hell could she make this thing up when she told me she had no experience of Armour despite having prescribed it for 18months...it was a scare tactic that failed to work. See Dr Gordon Skinner's book on Hypothyroidism and it's Management.

12.5mg of Iodine is what Japanese women consume apparently on daily basis from their Sushi and Seaweeds.

I have a friend who was prescribed T3 on NHS. I do not know what fillers it may contain but she seems well on it. It was me who alerted her to fact that by symptoms i thought she could have hypothyroidism...and sent her the book Tears Behind Closed Doors by Diana Holmes she managed to read it and then sent it to her sister cos she was sure she too had it, they did have it. Thyroid UK Lyn Mynott said to me that other things do not have the Hormones in so often people with Hypothyroidism do not get well enough.

Google acne and see what comes up...all you can do is use the iodine and see what happens for you... as we are all different... and we each may react differently.

I can use magnascent iodine neat on skin but lugols burns more...i even thought last night about the acne and wondered if whoever suffers with it may consider bathing face with bicarbonate soda and water and also taking a teaspoon with a teaspoon of Aspalls Organic Cyder Vinegar in water and for colds every two hours to clear infections..see Mark Sircus books..but it is Hormonal fluctuations with acne like testosterone,oestrogens,progesterone and others and of course in teenage yrs anything upsets balance. Tea coffee alcohol-stress can upset adrenals balance. Food Allergies can cause upsets to Thyroid balance too and reduce hormones.

Bread do not eat it, instead eat dark ryvitas and wholegrain rice cakes, bread absorbs iodine in any case and acts like a sponge sucking it up so it won't absorb anyway. Hope it helps. You try what you try and do and if it works it works if it doesn't then you have further information to delve into that's all Nightrain86. I give this out from experience and i am aware we are all different and we each do what we feel is necessary and we want to do. If someone had seriously low thyroid like i did when my TSH had reached 7.6 after sixteen years of suffering then you know about it and you need hormones or it is not long before death,it was in my experiences. Dr's also say that you get Osteoporosis with Hyperthyroidism what they fail to understand is you also do with Hypothyroidism.

At outset you may be ok with iodine - but if in a few months you are not energetic with no symptoms then you will know..but you have to be vigilant with it and take regularly with magnascent iodine it has a window of energy of two to three hours and that is how often it needs taking as it goes to where it is needed at cellular level and we have millions of them. People who think they have underactive thyroid may not have.

Then there are other minerals that are needed by the body like Magnesium and others like manganese etc and best helped by ionic minerals- aside from iodine. Hair samples i found reliable for mineral analysis. Then the Adrenals need testing by way of 24hr saliva test and you may need to keep an eye on this as in a few months it may have changed again so where it may not show anything initially it may do later on.

Then there is Candida- take a peep at Sian Birkinshaw.

davehibb
05-09-2010, 09:41 PM
I've been taking the 12% Lugols first thing in a morning for around two weeks now. I have noticed some positive changes. More restful sleep. Being able to get up in a morning. I'm not bounding out of bed yet but I'm certainly getting up in better shape than previously. I'm also not feeling drowsey after lunch so it's definitely having an effect.

That said I did think it would have more of an effect. Though it's only been a couple of weeks and I guess there's years of gunk in my system for it to get through. I take between 3-6 drops in a small glass of water each morning but I don't know if it's enough or if the drops from the bottle's dropper are what people go by or should I be taking more. I remember earlier in the thread people discussed buying a dropper from a store.

Are the drops from the bottle enough?

mark1963
05-09-2010, 09:55 PM
I've been taking the 12% Lugols first thing in a morning for around two weeks now. I have noticed some positive changes. More restful sleep. Being able to get up in a morning. I'm not bounding out of bed yet but I'm certainly getting up in better shape than previously. I'm also not feeling drowsey after lunch so it's definitely having an effect.

That said I did think it would have more of an effect. Though it's only been a couple of weeks and I guess there's years of gunk in my system for it to get through. I take between 3-6 drops in a small glass of water each morning but I don't know if it's enough or if the drops from the bottle's dropper are what people go by or should I be taking more. I remember earlier in the thread people discussed buying a dropper from a store.

Are the drops from the bottle enough?

Yes to the bottle drops. It's fine.

And there are years of gunk to go through, can take months or longer. So it's good you have started now.

davehibb
05-09-2010, 10:21 PM
Yes to the bottle drops. It's fine.

And there are years of gunk to go through, can take months or longer. So it's good you have started now.

Thanks Mark.

I am quite pleased with the effects so far and I'm trying slowly to sort my diet out too, so hopefully I'll see further improvements as time goes by.

mark1963
10-09-2010, 04:11 PM
Thanks Mark.

I am quite pleased with the effects so far and I'm trying slowly to sort my diet out too, so hopefully I'll see further improvements as time goes by.

Just increase a little bit at a time.

catnik54
14-09-2010, 07:11 AM
I have been researching the Thyroid gland recently, so imagine my happiness when Coast 2 Coast broadcast a whole program about it.

We are being deliberately stripped of iodine in our diets.

Fluoride (water, toothpaste, etc), Chloride (Water, washing up liquid, detergent, cleaning products) Bromide (white flour products, bread, cakes, etc) are in the same group on the periodic table as iodine.

They substitute themselves very easily for iodine in the thyroid molecule.

A blood test from your doctor will show a normal thyroid test, but, the thyroid molecule is no longer iodine based and so the molecule is ineffective.

In other words - EVERYONE - will have thyroid deficiencies.

Thyroid is the underlying cause for our health in EVERY process in the human body.

A lack of it will lead to EVERY disease we see today - Alzheimer's, ADD, heart disease, diabetes, cataracts, arthritis - you name it, a lack of thyroid will act as a catalyst for all diseases in every case.

Iodine was dropped from vitamins and minerals in the late 80's and this was carried out obstensively because iodine was dangerous. Looking back on this decision it is utter BS.

Iodine in the mg range is perfectly safe and is massively needed by the body.

We need at least 12mg (Japanese diet) of iodine daily. We are lucky to get 1mg daily in our western diets - and if our food is non-organic then the fertilisers used in production will destroy that.

Kelp is only 54mg per 100gm, so getting it from that may be a problem. Iodised salt is no good, wrong type of iodine, does not get absorbed by the body. Organic unprocessed Sea Salt does have good iodine in it, but, not alot.

Please check this link on iodine:

Iodine - Why We Need It (http://www.regenerativenutrition.com/content.asp?id=523#)


This link is the link to the Coast 2 Coast program, please listen to it all, there is a mass of information, especially about the UK blood test:

Coast 2 Coast - 9/3/2010 - Thyroid (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=oJC_rS9nkTg&feature=related)

Here is another excellent site:

http://www.stopthethyroidmadness.com/

The best product I have heard about for iodine is Lugol's Iodine - available on the web.

3 drops is equivalent to the 12mg you need daily.

People with mercury fillings would need up to 50mg per day it has been found.

Is Thyroxine, Iodine or is it a hormone? Is Iodine a hormone? The thyroid is a hormone gland. So how come if we can buy iodine in a bottle...and use it today instead of synthetic thyroxine..how come years ago when I was about 16...thirty years ago ,they used to extract thyroxine from pigs and make thyroxine out of it and give us that,they stopped doing it because of demands from the animal rights movement.

matteria
17-09-2010, 12:24 AM
I just wanted to throw this out there

Seaweed is an EXCELLENT source of iodine. you can find it at whole foods. it doesnt taste that great, but i know its rich in all sorts of trace minerals and other goodies

mark1963
17-09-2010, 07:31 PM
Is Thyroxine, Iodine or is it a hormone? Is Iodine a hormone? The thyroid is a hormone gland. So how come if we can buy iodine in a bottle...and use it today instead of synthetic thyroxine..how come years ago when I was about 16...thirty years ago ,they used to extract thyroxine from pigs and make thyroxine out of it and give us that,they stopped doing it because of demands from the animal rights movement.

Iodine is not a hormone although it is a large percentage of a hormone - thyroid.

mark1963
17-09-2010, 07:33 PM
I just wanted to throw this out there

Seaweed is an EXCELLENT source of iodine. you can find it at whole foods. it doesnt taste that great, but i know its rich in all sorts of trace minerals and other goodies

Look at my early posts, seaweed, kelp is about 50mg per 100grams so it is no the best form of iodine.

blue2
23-09-2010, 09:05 PM
Is Thyroxine, Iodine or is it a hormone? Is Iodine a hormone? The thyroid is a hormone gland. So how come if we can buy iodine in a bottle...and use it today instead of synthetic thyroxine..how come years ago when I was about 16...thirty years ago ,they used to extract thyroxine from pigs and make thyroxine out of it and give us that,they stopped doing it because of demands from the animal rights movement.

look at Thyroid Patient Advocacy and Thyroid UK and Thyroid Tears...because i take Armourthyroid whole dessicated pigs thyroid gland and it can be prescribed on a Named Patient basis within NHS but few will do it cos there are lies going around from British Thyroid Association...i've bought it in since 2001 and for my son too..Levothyroxine is potentially dangerous and my son had damage to his eye from it...(MHRA) Medicines Health and Regulatory Agency have no problems with it coming into the country cos lots of people have allergy to Thyroxine or do not get better on it, and American Thyroid Association stated that it often has as little as only 9% hormone content and even that varies...yet a Professor from BTA puts it out that Armour is not consistent...L thyroxine only came about in the 1970's and Big Pharma had monopoly...i use Erfa brand of Armourthyroid....Iodine is a mineral as is Magnesium and this is needed for some 300 functions within the body including hormones...i use OxyT oxygenated magnesium and magnesium chloride oil for skin use very good painkiller...and cells need for energy and detoxing...i use magnascent iodine as purest form. Lugols is mixture of Potassium iodide which is anti thyroid then iodine which is pro thyroid...

nightrain86
24-09-2010, 10:55 PM
So your saying that Lugols isn't that good?

blue2
25-09-2010, 04:13 PM
Just stating facts not saying lugols is rubbish...it's entirely up to the individual to make informed choices and to do their own research...see what health leads uk say on their site, they sell it. I tried it long time ago but then i had no idea back then.

mark1963
25-09-2010, 05:19 PM
Just stating facts not saying lugols is rubbish...it's entirely up to the individual to make informed choices and to do their own research...see what health leads uk say on their site, they sell it. I tried it long time ago but then i had no idea back then.

I correspond with blue2 privately and she threw that whammy at me a couple of days ago. It knocked me for six. So I went searching and searching and searching.

The only negative I could find about potassium iodide was that it is added to table salt in the US and Dr Brownstein said it was not effective.

The are hundreds of papers describing the efficacy of iodine/iodide mixtures and I will leave you with a selection.

http://www.optimox.com/pics/Iodine/opt_Research_I.shtml

You need to make your own mind up. If I take more than a couple of drops of lugol's daily then I do not feel as good as when I only take a couple of drops. But that may just be me.

blue2
27-09-2010, 11:10 PM
Sorry about that Mark !! Well iodide is in shop salt is it not? So that's bad salt versus good salt see The Good Salt Company....:)

mark1963
28-09-2010, 01:33 PM
Sorry about that Mark !! Well iodide is in shop salt is it not? So that's bad salt versus good salt see The Good Salt Company....:)

Just because I cannot find the negative about KI does not mean that is not bad for you. It is in table salt and Dr Brownstein says that the form of iodine in table salt is ineffective.

halebox
04-10-2010, 07:18 AM
I just got some 2% Lugols. How much should I take?

mark1963
04-10-2010, 01:10 PM
At the bottom of the page:

http://www.herbhealers.com/lugols.htm

I cannot post it as it's in a table and does not come out correctly here.

halebox
04-10-2010, 05:44 PM
Ive been taking 5 drops of 2% is that safe?

mark1963
04-10-2010, 06:26 PM
Ive been taking 5 drops of 2% is that safe?

What does that equate to from the link I provided? It's the metric drop.

matteria
05-10-2010, 02:35 AM
seaweed is a great source of iodine (a serving of most kinds will give u over 100% DV). it also boosts a lot of trace minerals that couldn't be found in most other produce today. u can get it at whole foods market.

mark1963
05-10-2010, 12:54 PM
seaweed is a great source of iodine (a serving of most kinds will give u over 100% DV). it also boosts a lot of trace minerals that couldn't be found in most other produce today. u can get it at whole foods market.

Seaweed is excellent in that it contains over 70 trace elements good for our body.

Iodine in seaweed is not enough for our requirements. The Japanese diet is about 12.5mg of iodine per day and you would need to ingest about 25 grams of kelp to ingest that amount.

matteria
05-10-2010, 10:31 PM
Seaweed is excellent in that it contains over 70 trace elements good for our body.

Iodine in seaweed is not enough for our requirements. The Japanese diet is about 12.5mg of iodine per day and you would need to ingest about 25 grams of kelp to ingest that amount.

well assuming I can trust the Nutritional Facts data on the back of this package of sun-dried Laver, I will get 700% DV of iodine from one serving.

Dusle and Wakami don't have as much and they both taste awful but sometimes I eat those too

mark1963
06-10-2010, 06:07 AM
well assuming I can trust the Nutritional Facts data on the back of this package of sun-dried Laver, I will get 700% DV of iodine from one serving.

Dusle and Wakami don't have as much and they both taste awful but sometimes I eat those too

What is the DV?

matteria
07-10-2010, 06:48 PM
What is the DV?

1 serving of Wakame = 100%

I finished a bag of Dulse about a week ago and have since discarded the package but I'll let you know by editing this post later what the DV is after I buy more

poorbutterfly
07-10-2010, 07:57 PM
More good sites if they haven't been mentioned before:

Fluoride and Your Kidneys
http://www.fluoridealert.org/health/kidney/

Fluoride and the Atomic Bomb Program
http://qualityassurance.synthasite.com/fluoride-and-the-atomic-bomb.php

The Illuminati Hierarchy and the Testing of Fluoride to Slow Resistance to Authority
http://www.bibliotecapleyades.net/sumer_anunnaki/reptiles/reptiles08.htm

Also, Kelp is a good source of iodine, and there is a salt alternative in a shaker box that provides 2260% of the daily requirement for iodine.

poorbutterfly
07-10-2010, 08:41 PM
That third link is a very long article, and the mention of fluoride isn't until near the end, so this is the excerpt:

http://www.bibliotecapleyades.net/sumer_anunnaki/reptiles/reptiles08.htm

World War II was a test of the final globalization and extermination projects. It was also designed to test mind-control machinations; to test the use of fluoride which deadens brain activity and slows resistance to authority; to experiment with slave labor camps and study the development of resistance; and to teach the masses to spy and report on one another.

World War II brought three primary goals of the Illuminati to fruition.

The first was that hidden Illuminati symbolisms were brought to public attention from the underground strongholds in Tibet and Egypt, such as the Swastika and the ankh.

The second was the creation of the State of Israel as a foundation for the New World Religion.

The last was the creation of nuclear weapons as part of the Illuminati global ceremony.

Also, most people who probably 'should' test low in thyroid will not if they go to an allopathic doctor. They don't test for the full spectrum, so an imporotant component is omitted, and will give a false 'normal'.

realview
29-10-2010, 10:49 PM
I periodically take iodoral 25 mg hasn't hurt me yet. But honestly I haven't observed the benefit. I don't take it every day.

mark1963
30-10-2010, 11:42 AM
So how often do you take it?

If you did not have any symptoms of iodine deficiency then you may not see an immediate benefit, but taking it most days is recommended.

It definitely helps as you get older.

lakkimakki
06-11-2010, 08:29 PM
Why dont you people just use Kelp ?

Kelp regulates both the thyroid and pituitary glands, plus it activates all glands in your body.

http://www.healthylivinganswers.com/vitamins/kelp.html

I stopped using it ( to much weight loss).

mark1963
06-11-2010, 08:35 PM
Why dont you people just use Kelp ?



http://www.healthylivinganswers.com/vitamins/kelp.html

Kelp does it's work mainly through iodine. Trouble is with kelp you need to take quite a lot to get a days worth of iodine.

Saying that kelp has 70 trace elements that are good for us.

catnik54
03-12-2010, 02:34 AM
I correspond with blue2 privately and she threw that whammy at me a couple of days ago. It knocked me for six. So I went searching and searching and searching.

The only negative I could find about potassium iodide was that it is added to table salt in the US and Dr Brownstein said it was not effective.

The are hundreds of papers describing the efficacy of iodine/iodide mixtures and I will leave you with a selection.

http://www.optimox.com/pics/Iodine/opt_Research_I.shtml

You need to make your own mind up. If I take more than a couple of drops of lugol's daily then I do not feel as good as when I only take a couple of drops. But that may just be me.


I'd just like to say it might not be a case of making your own mind up. Our bodies are structurally the same but our metabolism and hormones and whether a substance is working for us or not...that is unique to the individual hence lugol's might work good for me but be bad for you, yet we both might have hypothyroids.

catnik54
03-12-2010, 02:37 AM
Just because I cannot find the negative about KI does not mean that is not bad for you. It is in table salt and Dr Brownstein says that the form of iodine in table salt is ineffective.


FACT:The only salt we should consume is Natural Sea Salt.It is the best salt for the human body to benefit from and we need it.

ktlight
03-12-2010, 11:23 AM
Perhaps all of you should take a look at zappers. Before use though, you should have all amalgam fillings replaced. It is amalgam fillings (ie.mercury) that appears to be a major cause of hypothyroidism AND MS and Crohns disease. Once the amalgam has been removed then zapping will release the mercury that has stuck onto the thyroid and in the brain (where it causes Alzheimers and Parkinsons) and remove it from your system.
The statements regarding MS, Crohns, Alzheimers and Parkinsons relate to what neurologists are beginning to examine.
Hope this helps.

mark1963
03-12-2010, 01:39 PM
I'd just like to say it might not be a case of making your own mind up. Our bodies are structurally the same but our metabolism and hormones and whether a substance is working for us or not...that is unique to the individual hence lugol's might work good for me but be bad for you, yet we both might have hypothyroids.

You may be right but I've never seen any evidence of this.

One thing is for certain, our bodies need regular iodine.

mark1963
03-12-2010, 01:41 PM
Perhaps all of you should take a look at zappers. Before use though, you should have all amalgam fillings replaced. It is amalgam fillings (ie.mercury) that appears to be a major cause of hypothyroidism AND MS and Crohns disease. Once the amalgam has been removed then zapping will release the mercury that has stuck onto the thyroid and in the brain (where it causes Alzheimers and Parkinsons) and remove it from your system.
The statements regarding MS, Crohns, Alzheimers and Parkinsons relate to what neurologists are beginning to examine.
Hope this helps.

Do you have links for this as I've not heard of this? I've only heard of zappers in relation to ridding the body of parasites.

catnik54
04-12-2010, 10:46 PM
You may be right but I've never seen any evidence of this.

One thing is for certain, our bodies need regular iodine.

I was taught on a nutritional therapy site that not everyone with the same body make up and the same disease is alike in all respects...ie chemical, hormonal, blood type, emotional respects...and necessary nutrients and hormones and required chemicals interact and react differently in each persons body according to his unique needs in type and quantity of needed nutrient etc. A bit like a fat person needing less fat in diet than a thin one and a thinor fat person being able to have sugar but a diabetic thin or fat person not. Does that make sense?

Also, as far as thyroid and quantities of iodine needed, that varies according to the individual. For example..I need 400mcg of levothyroxine to have a good time with correcting my missing thyroid hormones...no doctor will prescribe more than 200mcg. This is because the necessary levels of hormone needed are worked out by testing normal thyroids against those that are not working in each region then averaging the results out to get the lowest baseline and the top baseline so say its 7.8-20...anything below 7.8 is hypothroidism , anything above is hyperthyroidism. But each region is different..and comes up with different baselines...and any surgery can change the baselines anytime they decided to...as a unique individual my healthy thyroxine level might be 50...which according to the doctors is hyperthroidism.....that might mean if I was diagnosed below 7.8 I need 400mcg. See? The doctors say everyone is the same but i'm not ...I need 400mcg to be normal thyroid function....I don't have hyperthyroidism on that dose...but others might. They are always changing the lower baseline too..so they can diagnose less patients when they want to lose people and save money and not treat them ,they will raise the baseline to 8.9-20, so anyone with 7.8 who was diagnosed before as hypo will now be teated for the first time and told no you are not ill your thyroid is normal...you are wasting my time pretending to be ill!

mark1963
05-12-2010, 07:55 PM
I was taught on a nutritional therapy site that not everyone with the same body make up and the same disease is alike in all respects...ie chemical, hormonal, blood type, emotional respects...and necessary nutrients and hormones and required chemicals interact and react differently in each persons body according to his unique needs in type and quantity of needed nutrient etc. A bit like a fat person needing less fat in diet than a thin one and a thinor fat person being able to have sugar but a diabetic thin or fat person not. Does that make sense?

Also, as far as thyroid and quantities of iodine needed, that varies according to the individual. For example..I need 400mcg of levothyroxine to have a good time with correcting my missing thyroid hormones...no doctor will prescribe more than 200mcg. This is because the necessary levels of hormone needed are worked out by testing normal thyroids against those that are not working in each region then averaging the results out to get the lowest baseline and the top baseline so say its 7.8-20...anything below 7.8 is hypothroidism , anything above is hyperthyroidism. But each region is different..and comes up with different baselines...and any surgery can change the baselines anytime they decided to...as a unique individual my healthy thyroxine level might be 50...which according to the doctors is hyperthroidism.....that might mean if I was diagnosed below 7.8 I need 400mcg. See? The doctors say everyone is the same but i'm not ...I need 400mcg to be normal thyroid function....I don't have hyperthyroidism on that dose...but others might. They are always changing the lower baseline too..so they can diagnose less patients when they want to lose people and save money and not treat them ,they will raise the baseline to 8.9-20, so anyone with 7.8 who was diagnosed before as hypo will now be teated for the first time and told no you are not ill your thyroid is normal...you are wasting my time pretending to be ill!

Yes, everyone's requirements are generally different.

You talk about your need for thyroid hormone and T4 is not so good for you BTW, you should aim to get T3 or Armorthyroid and then you may need less.

I was saying that everyone needs iodine, which is a base essential nutrient, more so than vitamin c or anything else.

i_b_awake
29-12-2010, 02:10 AM
I detoxed myself (from fluoride) with lugols Iodine :)

At least I think it worked.. (over 6 months went through 2 bottles)

.. Reminds me I need to buy some more ..

jimj_wpg
29-12-2010, 05:25 AM
[/B][/COLOR]The best product I have heard about for iodine is Lugol's Iodine - available on the web.

3 drops is equivalent to the 12mg you need daily.

People with mercury fillings would need up to 50mg per day it has been found.

I have two mercury fillings left.

I wasn't able to find Lugol's in Winnipeg, Canada - checked vitahealth and Sunrise Health food stores in the past few days.

Bought a small jar of Trophic brand Iodine. The label has the following info on it:

Each millilitre contains: Iodine 6.25% (in glycerine).

Trophic Canada Penticton, B.C.

I bought this yesterday (Dec. 27 2010). I took 3 drops in 8 oz. of water at 4 p.m. then another 2 drops in 8 oz. of water at 11 p.m.

Do I need to take more? Perhaps 7 or 8 drops per day?

I am doing this on my own recommendation, using this web forum thread as a guide. I have a family doctor and a naturopath, but they haven't mentioned anything about me being hypothyroid.

So far I've lost 7 pounds -- was 190 and now am 183... I'm 5'10"...My goal weight is about 150 pounds. Metformin the diabetes drug I've been on and off with since early 2006 never affected my weight.

deetox
29-12-2010, 05:50 AM
I have two mercury fillings left.

I wasn't able to find Lugol's in Winnipeg, Canada - checked vitahealth and Sunrise Health food stores in the past few days.

Bought a small jar of Trophic brand Iodine. The label has the following info on it:

Each millilitre contains: Iodine 6.25% (in glycerine).

Trophic Canada Penticton, B.C.

I bought this yesterday (Dec. 27 2010). I took 3 drops in 8 oz. of water at 4 p.m. then another 2 drops in 8 oz. of water at 11 p.m.

Do I need to take more? Perhaps 7 or 8 drops per day?


Yes apparently thats pretty weak stuff.

http://www.curezone.us/forums/am.asp?i=831774

Why not just order Lugol's online? I also live in Canada and just got some delivered from this site.

http://www.herbhealers.com/lugols.htm

mark1963
29-12-2010, 07:51 PM
I have two mercury fillings left.

I wasn't able to find Lugol's in Winnipeg, Canada - checked vitahealth and Sunrise Health food stores in the past few days.

Bought a small jar of Trophic brand Iodine. The label has the following info on it:

Each millilitre contains: Iodine 6.25% (in glycerine).

Trophic Canada Penticton, B.C.

I bought this yesterday (Dec. 27 2010). I took 3 drops in 8 oz. of water at 4 p.m. then another 2 drops in 8 oz. of water at 11 p.m.

Do I need to take more? Perhaps 7 or 8 drops per day?

I am doing this on my own recommendation, using this web forum thread as a guide. I have a family doctor and a naturopath, but they haven't mentioned anything about me being hypothyroid.

So far I've lost 7 pounds -- was 190 and now am 183... I'm 5'10"...My goal weight is about 150 pounds. Metformin the diabetes drug I've been on and off with since early 2006 never affected my weight.

If you can do the iodine in the morning 30 minutes prior to eating. Taking it at night could cause you to have a restless sleep but if you have been successfully doing it that way then carry on.

You can usually feel if you are taking too much as you may feel a bit wired. All I can say about amount is because you have fillings then you may require more.

Why has your naturapath not enquired with you about hypothyroidism? It sounds like he/she should be doing that.

Well done btw.

wowspirit
03-01-2011, 09:44 AM
I have been researching the Thyroid gland recently, so imagine my happiness when Coast 2 Coast broadcast a whole program about it.

We are being deliberately stripped of iodine in our diets.

Fluoride (water, toothpaste, etc), Chloride (Water, washing up liquid, detergent, cleaning products) Bromide (white flour products, bread, cakes, etc) are in the same group on the periodic table as iodine.

They substitute themselves very easily for iodine in the thyroid molecule.

A blood test from your doctor will show a normal thyroid test, but, the thyroid molecule is no longer iodine based and so the molecule is ineffective.

In other words - EVERYONE - will have thyroid deficiencies.

Thyroid is the underlying cause for our health in EVERY process in the human body.

A lack of it will lead to EVERY disease we see today - Alzheimer's, ADD, heart disease, diabetes, cataracts, arthritis - you name it, a lack of thyroid will act as a catalyst for all diseases in every case.

Iodine was dropped from vitamins and minerals in the late 80's and this was carried out obstensively because iodine was dangerous. Looking back on this decision it is utter BS.

Iodine in the mg range is perfectly safe and is massively needed by the body.

We need at least 12mg (Japanese diet) of iodine daily. We are lucky to get 1mg daily in our western diets - and if our food is non-organic then the fertilisers used in production will destroy that.

Kelp is only 54mg per 100gm, so getting it from that may be a problem. Iodised salt is no good, wrong type of iodine, does not get absorbed by the body. Organic unprocessed Sea Salt does have good iodine in it, but, not alot.

Please check this link on iodine:

Iodine - Why We Need It (http://www.regenerativenutrition.com/content.asp?id=523#)


This link is the link to the Coast 2 Coast program, please listen to it all, there is a mass of information, especially about the UK blood test:

Coast 2 Coast - 9/3/2010 - Thyroid (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=oJC_rS9nkTg&feature=related)

Here is another excellent site:

http://www.stopthethyroidmadness.com/

The best product I have heard about for iodine is Lugol's Iodine - available on the web.

3 drops is equivalent to the 12mg you need daily.

People with mercury fillings would need up to 50mg per day it has been found.

thanks a lot for sharing so much helpful information.

jimj_wpg
24-01-2011, 04:26 AM
My Thyroid blood test results are back...

TSH was 6.27
T3 and T4 numbers were near 3 and 5.

I must have a great ND. Right away he prescribed Armour (Biotics Research Corp brand) veggie caps. 20 mg (porcine hormone) dosage, one per day.

I've read that others sometimes go years and years begging their doctors (MDs?) when they're on Synthroid to give them Armour. Both my sister and my female co-worker were put on Synthroid. Both got heart skipping/palpitation symptoms. Sis switched to Sangster's ThyroLift (L-Tyrosine) in late 2009 and took a few and was OK on it. Synthroid has proven to affect the heart in negative ways for too many. It really should be taken OFF the market.

ND says to avoid Calcium while I'm taking the Armour. Does that mean to avoid all dairy products like milk, yogurt, etc. Or does he mean Calcium supplements? I don't take Calcium supps. as my Cal-Mag numbers were in range on the last hair analysis report.

Between April 2006 and sometime in 2007/08, Dr. Vincent Woo (http://www.ratemds.com/doctor-ratings/43672/MB/Winnipeg/Woo) (Winnipeg) was my Endocrinologist. The family doctor who referred me to him said Woo was "the best in his field". Yah right.

At no time did he ever check or emphasize my symptoms might be thyroid-related...And interestingly he is a teaching doctor (Univ of Manitoba) who publishes stuff about Type 2 Diabetes. I quit seeing Woo because I sensed he was more interested in the next patient and pushing more and more pharma pills.

akana
24-01-2011, 05:20 AM
I've read a book on thyroid disfunctions, and what the doctor who wrote the book was saying that in some cases of thyroid disfunction, taking iodine has only made the situation worse.

She advised everyone to go to an endocrinologist before starting an iodine regimen, and have tests done before, and to keep an eye on the levels. If they start to worsen, it would be wise to stop the iodine.

Just a word of caution.

mark1963
24-01-2011, 02:41 PM
My Thyroid blood test results are back...

TSH was 6.27
T3 and T4 numbers were near 3 and 5.

I must have a great ND. Right away he prescribed Armour (Biotics Research Corp brand) veggie caps. 20 mg (porcine hormone) dosage, one per day.

I've read that others sometimes go years and years begging their doctors (MDs?) when they're on Synthroid to give them Armour. Both my sister and my female co-worker were put on Synthroid. Both got heart skipping/palpitation symptoms. Sis switched to Sangster's ThyroLift (L-Tyrosine) in late 2009 and took a few and was OK on it. Synthroid has proven to affect the heart in negative ways for too many. It really should be taken OFF the market.

ND says to avoid Calcium while I'm taking the Armour. Does that mean to avoid all dairy products like milk, yogurt, etc. Or does he mean Calcium supplements? I don't take Calcium supps. as my Cal-Mag numbers were in range on the last hair analysis report.

Between April 2006 and sometime in 2007/08, Dr. Vincent Woo (http://www.ratemds.com/doctor-ratings/43672/MB/Winnipeg/Woo) (Winnipeg) was my Endocrinologist. The family doctor who referred me to him said Woo was "the best in his field". Yah right.

At no time did he ever check or emphasize my symptoms might be thyroid-related...And interestingly he is a teaching doctor (Univ of Manitoba) who publishes stuff about Type 2 Diabetes. I quit seeing Woo because I sensed he was more interested in the next patient and pushing more and more pharma pills.

I would imagine he meant calcium supplements but it would be a good idea to get that confirmed.

Glad you are on the right medication - Armour.

mark1963
24-01-2011, 02:44 PM
I've read a book on thyroid disfunctions, and what the doctor who wrote the book was saying that in some cases of thyroid disfunction, taking iodine has only made the situation worse.

She advised everyone to go to an endocrinologist before starting an iodine regimen, and have tests done before, and to keep an eye on the levels. If they start to worsen, it would be wise to stop the iodine.

Just a word of caution.

I've read books that say that but when you look into the type of iodine they were on and other factors you could see why their thyroid functions ended up worse. There's much to be said about a whole body approach to illness.

It is irresponsible for books to give that information without the full facts of the cases, it's just fear mongering.

akana
25-01-2011, 05:31 AM
I've read books that say that but when you look into the type of iodine they were on and other factors you could see why their thyroid functions ended up worse. There's much to be said about a whole body approach to illness.

It is irresponsible for books to give that information without the full facts of the cases, it's just fear mongering.

Well it just makes sense to monitor the thyroid levels, and not doing so is retarded IMO.

watermelon
25-01-2011, 05:50 AM
Well it just makes sense to monitor the thyroid levels, and not doing so is retarded IMO.

I agree. you need to see a doctor before you start any kind of supplementation especially if its larger doses.
A lot of calcium we don't need as well. Everything is calcium fortified now.

one666
25-01-2011, 06:22 AM
My Thyroid blood test results are back...

TSH was 6.27
T3 and T4 numbers were near 3 and 5.

I must have a great ND. Right away he prescribed Armour (Biotics Research Corp brand) veggie caps. 20 mg (porcine hormone) dosage, one per day.

I've read that others sometimes go years and years begging their doctors (MDs?) when they're on Synthroid to give them Armour. Both my sister and my female co-worker were put on Synthroid. Both got heart skipping/palpitation symptoms. Sis switched to Sangster's ThyroLift (L-Tyrosine) in late 2009 and took a few and was OK on it. Synthroid has proven to affect the heart in negative ways for too many. It really should be taken OFF the market.

ND says to avoid Calcium while I'm taking the Armour. Does that mean to avoid all dairy products like milk, yogurt, etc. Or does he mean Calcium supplements? I don't take Calcium supps. as my Cal-Mag numbers were in range on the last hair analysis report.

Between April 2006 and sometime in 2007/08, Dr. Vincent Woo (http://www.ratemds.com/doctor-ratings/43672/MB/Winnipeg/Woo) (Winnipeg) was my Endocrinologist. The family doctor who referred me to him said Woo was "the best in his field". Yah right.

At no time did he ever check or emphasize my symptoms might be thyroid-related...And interestingly he is a teaching doctor (Univ of Manitoba) who publishes stuff about Type 2 Diabetes. I quit seeing Woo because I sensed he was more interested in the next patient and pushing more and more pharma pills.
The doctor means what the doctor says. No calcium means just that. Avoid anything with calcium especially dairy products. If you had the common sense to ask him in the first place instead of asking Non proffessionals, he wold tell you the same.

morphal
26-01-2011, 06:58 PM
I've read a book on thyroid disfunctions, and what the doctor who wrote the book was saying that in some cases of thyroid disfunction, taking iodine has only made the situation worse.

She advised everyone to go to an endocrinologist before starting an iodine regimen, and have tests done before, and to keep an eye on the levels. If they start to worsen, it would be wise to stop the iodine.

Just a word of caution.

Agreed! I started iodine on finding this thread. I didn't work with a doctor, ND, or anyone, just added it to my regimen regularly. I had my thyroid tested just as part of some general bloodwork several months back and am now mildly hyperthyroid. This would explain some symptoms I began having around then. I'm not sure it was just the iodine alone, I also found later that ginseng, and gotu kola, can also push the thyroid off balance into the hyper range. I had supplements with those for a month or two also before I had my bloodwork done.

We're all individuals, we are unique, and taking iodine will not work the same for everyone - which is why it is a good idea to have access to a good health practitioner if at all possible when trying out supplements. I don't have a good doctor or ND, wish I did. But I do my research myself and was able to figure out that I can't take iodine any longer and will have to find a natural way to calm rebalance my thyroid over time. Hyperthyroid is a dangerous condition as is the elevated heart rate that comes along with it.

I was taking 4 drops a day of Trophic Liquid Iodine, purely, naturally Canadian, the recommended dosage was 1 drop/day. Yeah, I'd agree that it would be a good idea to get your levels tested before starting a megadose iodine program, and get them tested during it, to make sure you don't end up going off balance.

oneofthemasses
27-01-2011, 09:18 AM
My Thyroid blood test results are back...

TSH was 6.27
T3 and T4 numbers were near 3 and 5.

I must have a great ND. Right away he prescribed Armour (Biotics Research Corp brand) veggie caps. 20 mg (porcine hormone) dosage, one per day.

I've read that others sometimes go years and years begging their doctors (MDs?) when they're on Synthroid to give them Armour. Both my sister and my female co-worker were put on Synthroid. Both got heart skipping/palpitation symptoms. Sis switched to Sangster's ThyroLift (L-Tyrosine) in late 2009 and took a few and was OK on it. Synthroid has proven to affect the heart in negative ways for too many. It really should be taken OFF the market.

ND says to avoid Calcium while I'm taking the Armour. Does that mean to avoid all dairy products like milk, yogurt, etc. Or does he mean Calcium supplements? I don't take Calcium supps. as my Cal-Mag numbers were in range on the last hair analysis report.

Between April 2006 and sometime in 2007/08, Dr. Vincent Woo (http://www.ratemds.com/doctor-ratings/43672/MB/Winnipeg/Woo) (Winnipeg) was my Endocrinologist. The family doctor who referred me to him said Woo was "the best in his field". Yah right.

At no time did he ever check or emphasize my symptoms might be thyroid-related...And interestingly he is a teaching doctor (Univ of Manitoba) who publishes stuff about Type 2 Diabetes. I quit seeing Woo because I sensed he was more interested in the next patient and pushing more and more pharma pills.

Your TSH is *slightly* higher than the top end of what convenntional doctors call "normal". By that I mean a lot of your symptoms definitely could be explained by low thyroid levels, as many people believe the correct range of TSH should be 1-3, not up to 5. Each person with thyroid disease is so different, I for example am extremely HYPER below 3, whereas some people feel so HYPO that they can't get out of bed at that level.

Do you take any other medications, such as antidepressants, mood stablizers (I.e. Lithium), etc? Sometimes these drugs can interfere with thyroid hormones, but if you stop the drugs soon enough, generally speaking, your thyroid will return to normal. Unless they have triggered autoimmune thryoid disease (causes are unclear at this point), which in that case, can keep progressing. Did your doctor test your thyroid antiobody levels?

All of that said, you really need to dose on your symptoms which almost no doctors do unless you have the very rare so called "thyroid hormone resistance syndrome" or a more forward thinking doctor.

I will point out that I am a little confused by your post. In Canada, desiccated (porcine) thyroid is a prescription that can only be prescribed by a medical doctor. And it's simply called "Thyroid" in Canada (not Armour, although it's essentially the same thing), and made by the pharmaceutical company called Erfa. From my understanding, naturopaths CANNOT precribe in Manitoba. The dosage doesn't come in 20 mg either. It starts at 30 mg tablets, not 20mg capsules.


It is NOT made by the company your ND claimed.

I don't want this to come across the wrong way, but I'd be asking your ND some hard questions.

From the sounds of it, it is virtually impossible he gave you "Armour" (Desiccated Thyroid).

What concerns me is that he/she apparently told you otherwise, unless you're mistaken. Right now your TSH is not dangerously high (even though you might feel like shit), but if it were to become so, you might need REAL desiccated thyroid hormone and not just the what seems to be a nutritional supplement that your ND gave you. Also, Manitoba pharmaceutical programs (I.e. Pharmacare) would cover Thyroid, but will not cover nutritional supplements.

I would be very suspicious of your ND if he is passing off a supplement as "Armour". While both may help people, they are NOT the same thing. If someone NEEDS medication, they can't just take a dietary supplement and be OK. In some cases, the thyroid gland becomes entirely destroyed, leaving little to no tissue left (as in my case). So a dietary supplement is not going to do much if there is no thyroid to "stimulate". And in your case, other health issues or medications may be causing reversible thyroid symptoms that don't even need treatment.

It also CAN BE true that for *some* cases of autoimmune thyroid diease (which you may or may not have), iodine can in fact seem to trigger the disease or make it worse. It may trigger hyper OR hypo levels in different people. What is not clear is what other factors have to line up for this to occur and if the source of the iodine matters. Hence why I agree that anyone using iodine that already seems to HAVE thyroid issues or symptoms (or a family history of such) definitely should see a doctor to be monitored.

Other dietary triggers in some people may be soy, gluten, veggies like broccoli, sprouts, kelp, etc. There is actually quite a bit of "conventional" research linking soy and iodine to autoimmune thyroid disease (in people with the genetics for it) for example, yet NO doctor (MD) will EVER tell you that.

Talk to your ND and let us know what he tells you. I'm definitely curious.

P.S. BOTH Synthroid and "Armour" (Thyroid) can cause heart issues, especially if the dosage is incorrect. This is because thyroid hormones in the body (hyper and hypo) affect the heart as well. Actually, you have to be even more careful with desiccated thyroid as it has active T3 as well, which acts as a direct stimulator on the heart.

mark1963
27-01-2011, 10:15 AM
Agreed! I started iodine on finding this thread. I didn't work with a doctor, ND, or anyone, just added it to my regimen regularly. I had my thyroid tested just as part of some general bloodwork several months back and am now mildly hyperthyroid. This would explain some symptoms I began having around then. I'm not sure it was just the iodine alone, I also found later that ginseng, and gotu kola, can also push the thyroid off balance into the hyper range. I had supplements with those for a month or two also before I had my bloodwork done.

We're all individuals, we are unique, and taking iodine will not work the same for everyone - which is why it is a good idea to have access to a good health practitioner if at all possible when trying out supplements. I don't have a good doctor or ND, wish I did. But I do my research myself and was able to figure out that I can't take iodine any longer and will have to find a natural way to calm rebalance my thyroid over time. Hyperthyroid is a dangerous condition as is the elevated heart rate that comes along with it.

I was taking 4 drops a day of Trophic Liquid Iodine, purely, naturally Canadian, the recommended dosage was 1 drop/day. Yeah, I'd agree that it would be a good idea to get your levels tested before starting a megadose iodine program, and get them tested during it, to make sure you don't end up going off balance.

The reason you are getting hyperthyroid is not because of the iodine, (iodine is an essential element without which you would die), it's because your body is completely out of balance. You have underlying conditions.

I would suggest you check yourself for candida overgrowth. You can do the spittle test at home. Also, mercury toxicity frequently causes hyperthyroid symptoms.

http://www.thecandidadiet.com/testingforcandida.htm

Your pH is probably too low and your body may be in an acidic state.

mark1963
14-02-2011, 10:02 AM
Incredible information about one man's journey using iodine supplementation, I do not recommend you do this unless you are 100% sure you know what you are doing and take full responsibility for your own actions.

Thanks to blue2 for the link.

http://www.lugol-iodinesupplements.com/

Lugol's, Iodoral, SSKI... Everything You'd Ever Want To Know About Iodine Supplements And Thyroid Health!


You know, for some reason one day I got possessed with the idea of consuming iodine. I'm not really sure why, but often the body knows exactly what it needs (especially with respect to an iodine deficiency) and communicates in "weird" ways. Kind of like when I was a child I had this desire to eat raw hamburger meat when my mom was preparing it in the kitchen. There would be this big, ceramic bowl filled with several pounds of hamburger meat and I would have this urge to eat it - it smelled so good! But there was always this fear being spread by my mom and the "adult world" that eating raw meat would give you trichinosis or worms - or even kill you! Of course that is all nonsense, and as an adult I discovered a book by this guy named Alexander Vonderplanitz and I began a raw meat-eating binge for a while... I never got sick once.

Iodine consumption was a lot like that for me. Everyone tells you that an iodine supplement rendering over 150mcg/day is poison and you'll end you up in the ER or with a "basketball" in your throat. It simply isn't true. I started my journey by buying this book on iodine by some acupuncturist who lives in Brazil (probably near a "termas" lol). It was in this digital book of his that I learned about Magnascent natural iodine, Iodoral by Optimox, Lugol's and SSKI. Later I learned about kelp iodine in seaweeds like arame and kombu.

Here is breakdown of what they are:


Iodoral Iodine Tablets Are A Hot Item These Days, But Which Iodine Supplement Is Right For You?

Magnascent - a very expensive "nascent" form of elemental iodine. I don't really know what "nascent" means but it sounds impressive. The idea according to the site is basically that the human body has the easiest time assimilating it. I bought a huge glass bottle of it for around $200. Expensive as anything, but I really like it. You can feel the power of this liquid iodine VERY fast. Chances of getting a swollen thryoid when scaling up daily dosages are high with this product. I believe it is because the stuff is indeed extremely usable to the body.

Lugol's - The most famous iodine tincture in the form of iodine drops. A mix of elemental iodine and potassium iodide. Comes in 2% and 5%. The government doesn't allow higher concentrations and limits the quantities you can purchase of the 5% because apparently those who cook crystal meth use it in the process. I haven't watched enough episodes of "Breaking Bad" to know the details. ;) I have used Crow's 5% and I like it. Probably the best value for your money. Order it along with "Folk Medicine" which is a few dollars (literally) extra for an amazing book. But if you are sick of information overload, here's the jist of the book: basically consume as much apple cider vinegar and raw honey as possible in addition to the lugol solution. My favorite honey BTW is this korean deer velvet honey that costs $40 a bottle but tastes heavenly and gives you sexual super-powers.

Iodoral by Optimox - Lugol's in tablet form. Comes in different strengths. I always go for the strongest! Expensive, and it is much cheaper to take Crow's lugol solution at 5%, but when I travel I use Optimox Iodoral because they don't let you take liquids in your carry-on anymore and I never check luggage.

SSKI - Good old potassium iodide. Not to be sniffed at! People associate this stuff with anti-radiation tablets and they are correct! I buy this iodine supplement on ebay from a guy called "trapperkcmo" who is also a moderator on the iodine forum at curezone.com. He makes high quality, strong stuff and is the coolest dude. He sells wholesale as well. Anyway, there was a nobel prize winner back in the day who consumed 700mg of KI as a daily maintenance dose his whole life and lived into his 90's in perfect health. He went as high as 1,000mg (1 gram) when sick. It is also interesting to note that the famous H*xsey tonic had around 600-700mg of KI as the main ingredient. The rest of the herbs were basically to aid with detoxification. Nowadays most of the H*xsey-style tonics are lacking SSKI, so it is no wonder the formula is derided as quackery unless you get the real stuff from their center in Tijuana. I've actually been there, and personally know 3 people who apparently were all "misdiagnosed" back here state-side. ;) LOL! For those of you whom are thick, they were cured of terminal cancer at that Mexican clinic. What I am getting at here is that no matter all the talk about Magnascent, Iodoral or Lugol's, it is historically SSKI that was responsible for all the "legendary results." So if you want results, my attitude is "why not repeat what the winners did?" Some say that you also need natural, elemental iodine. I would tend to agree, but your body has a "thing" for potassium iodide (SSKI). WARNING: KEEP READING TO SEE WHAT HAPPENS WHEN YOU PUSH THE ENVELOPE LIKE I DID. I AM NOT RECOMMENDING THESE SUPER-HIGH DOSAGE LEVELS.

Arame and Kombu - How do Japanese (specifically Okinawans) get so much iodine in their diet? Seaweed or kelp iodine! But these two types (arame and kombu) in specific. They are expensive, hard to get, and a bit annoying to consume. Of course things from nature are always the best, if not the most expedient. It is possible that the reason certain Japanese can take such dosage levels is because their iodine is in natural form. There is someone online selling Kombu Balls but they are expensive. Nonetheless, if one wanted to pursue super-saturation of the body with iodine, organic is the safest route to go. Followed by SSKI. Magnascent, Iodoral and Lugols are NOT recommended for such sport!

Betadine Solution - A 10% solution of povidone-iodine in water used for disinfecting wounds and to paint on a patient's skin before surgery. There is also a mixture of povidone-iodine and detergent for use as a hand-wash and pre-surgical scrub. DO NOT DRINK!

White Iodine - This is elemental iodine that does not stain the skin. People use it to strengthen fingernails and prevent hair loss by putting on the scalp. If you consume enough iodine, your fingernails will get very strong so I don't see a point in painting them, however white iodine is awesome for other topical applications besides the hair. For example, there are stories of people painting wounds and scars religiously with elemental iodine and the skin completely regenerating. Obviously, this is easier to do with white iodine then to run around town with iodine stains on your skin.


What Do You Need To Take Along With Your Iodine Supplements?

Now this is important: if you are going to start taking iodine/iodide at levels that get results, you MUST take selenium every day. But here is the problem. Most selenium is not organic and hence toxic. You REALLY do not want to overdose on selenium. The only selenium you can go crazy with is this http://tuberosestore.com/innateselenium.html and I am not recommending this vendor I just randomly pulled them from the search engines. Anyway, this particular organic selenium can be consumed at dosages of 800-2000mcg/day! For the purposes of iodine super-saturation, you need at least 200mcg and should go as high as 500mcg. Please note: a pill from this company is only 50mcg so this can get expensive.

DO NOT THINK you can use ANY other selenium product and exceed 200mcg/day. You will get FUCKED UP!

You will also need magnesium in the form of magnesium oil that you rub on your skin.


I Am Concerned About My Low Iodine Diet, But Isn't Iodine/Iodide A Poison And What Dosages Can You Safely Ingest?

Next let's talk about the fear of iodine poisoning. In my experience (and the experience of many others on forums like curezone.com) everyone who has attained success with an iodine supplement like lugol's, or a natural iodine supplement like Magnascent has either been really disciplined and/or "pushed the envelope." I know people who have consumed 1,000mg of SSKI and they are not dead or sick. The average daily consumption of natural iodine in Japan is 12mg/day. In some areas I have heard it approaches 200mg/day!

Of course, I am not saying that a conservative dosing regimen will not generate results. Doctor Brownstein in his book, http://www.amazon.com/Iodine-need-cant-live-without/dp/B001URN3UG/ref=pd_sim_b_1 recommends 50mg Iodoral pills with selenium and waiting 1 year to see results. There are indeed benefits to such an approach, as ALL your health problems are NOT a result of iodine deficieny. It is easy to see results with iodine supplementation and then go crazy. Kinda' like fat chicks who lose weight on raw vegan/fruitarian diets and then think this is the right way to live until their gallbladder stops working one day or they suddenly age at an accelerated pace or else run out of energy.

In other words, to be successful with iodine supplementation you have to push through certain fears and side-effects and take it every day for the long term. To be successful with iodine supplementation does NOT require super-saturation dosages, but my story is one of extremes. :)

Anyway, people are so mind-controlled by fear of iodine that they start to have side-effects from pathetic dosages of iodine/iodide. They literally believe that they are drinking poison and so their mind manifests symptoms. This is what is behind most failure with the usage of iodine supplements. They get a slight headache and run to Google to perform a search for "iodine toxicity signs." Google returns pages of crap written by other brain-washed idiots that scares the shit out of them. C'mon!
Does this mean you should go out an consume 200mg of elemental iodine? Only if you are a suicidal idiot who wants a trip to the ER!

Japanese people are used to consuming mega-doses of iodine and you are not. They are also consuming it in an organic form. It's the same like Eskimos can eat the liver of a seal or polar bear and not die from vitamin A toxicity. You are not so fortunate! Personally, I have consumed 50,000 IU of Vitamin A every day for years and I feel incredible. My eyes never falter and I am on the computer or reading all the time. But the Vitamin A I consume is from http://www.sterlingorganics.com/product_info.php?products_id=149&osCsid=521f7480cf86a7886d07e17cb7e3fdbd.

No palmitates or beta-carotenes or synthetics or anything other then cod liver oil. That brand is also the only brand that doesn't have synthetic shit added to it. Most other brands do. They get busted all the time but you'll never hear about it! Still, I wouldn't eat the liver of an Alaskan sled dog, a seal or a polar bear. Your liver won't handle 1,000,000 IU in one shot! Death will ensue! I mean, I'm a die-hard Weston A. Price fanatic who got braces at 39 years of age to obtain massive dental arches that would make the late Dr. Price proud. See, I wasn't breast-fed, didn't get cod liver oil as a child PLUS had childhood orthodontics that totally fucked up my teeth. Once I began to consume the type of Weston Price diet that they feed racehorses, fixed my fucked-up dentition and started going crazy with the iodine my life changed.

But I digress...

Originally I started with Magnascent. Consuming the equivalent of 20mg a day of elemental iodine. Went great for days until my throat started to feel swollen. I got scared and backed down. But I came back within days. Started consuming 20mg of natural iodine in the form of Lugol's from Crow's 5% formulation. This gave me a lot of potassium iodide (SSKI) as well. About twice the amount of iodide as iodine. Everything was fine. Never had a "side effect" again. Why did my throat swell up? I'm not a doctor, but my guess is that my iodine-starved thyroid got a little shocked by the sudden fuel pouring in. No problemo!

After some months of this I discovered that all the real insane results occurred in history with 600-700mg dosages of SSKI per day. The H*xsey peeps broke that dosage down over 4 doses during the course of the day. So I began to take the same dosages - but in one shot!

YET AGAIN I WARN YOU ABOUT ATTEMPTING THESE DOSAGES! FOR ENTERTAINMENT PURPOSES ONLY! KEEP READING. LOL!

But I couldn't achieve this target dosage with lugol's! To get the equivalent of that much iodide from lugol iodine tincture I would have to consume a LOT of elemental iodine along with it: If I were taking Crow's 5% about 300mg worth of natural iodine! Not a good idea!

So I made my own mix: I mixed 600 mg of SSKI with 20mg of elemental iodine from Magnascent into a tall glass of water every morning. Took it on an empty stomach with my minerals.

Skipped breakfast, only ate lunch and dinner.

I did this for months...


What Were My Personal Results With These Dosages Of Liquid Iodine And Iodide (SSKI)?

1. Allergies disappeared completely! Around 14 years of age I had become massively allergic to cats and dogs. Around 30 I had started to suffer during allergy season. It was worse year-after-year. Now I can play with cats and dogs all I want!

2. I have the sexual energy of a teenager and never tire after an ejaculation.

3. Scars on my face began to soften and fade. I have acne scars on my temples and forehead. Uncorrectable via surgery. They are much less now!

4. I feel so fucking good! Seriously, I feel magical, even when I am miserable. Hard to explain unless you experience it.

5. My hair got thicker and new hair grew back where it had fallen out.

6. My gut melted down! Went from a 36" waist down to a 32" waist.

It took nearly a year from when I first started supplementing with iodine to get to the results I listed above.

There WERE bumps along the road!

For example, just before my allergies went away forever I got this dizzy feeling one morning after taking my "cocktail" and I got pretty scared. I needed to lie down. I felt FIRE shooting through my arms. Like boiling water was moving around inside my body. It felt good, but was also scary as hell, I won't lie. :)

The good news is that sodium ascorbate is the antidote to iodine poisoning. Take 10 grams, dissolve in water and drink. Lie down and rest. 10 grams may cause diarrhea, but you'll be fine soon enough. Now I am NOT saying I was poisoned although I was scared enough to drink the vitamin C! LOL!

The thing is right afterwards my allergies were gone.

So, I kept my Magnascent dosages at 20mg of elemental iodine a day while DROPPING my SSKI to 100mg. Then slowly I built back up to 500mg and kept it there.

The interesting thing is I ended up in the ER around this time because I was allergic to anesthesia that an oral surgeon had given me and they checked out my thyroid while I was there and they said everything was perfect! Across from me was a woman with her foot rotting- off due to diabetes. It was black from decay. They were going to amputate it. I started to cry. All unnecessary, as you will see later on...

But before you go off and take such mega-doses, I ADVISE AGAINST IT! Here is what happened to me:

I had a tooth drilled (first cavity of my life at 39 years old) and after the filling (composite - no mercury) I didn't feel so good. Pain in my thyroid, somewhat dizzy, pain in my stomach and spleen meridians, lots of weird shit.

First thing is I dropped my potassium iodide dose from 600mg to 300mg. Still something not right. Signs from the universe: almost out of iodide, iodine bottle mysteriously cracked... Then one day after the gym things didn't feel right, so I went to Bellevue ER. Nobody wanted to do any work, so I went next door to NYU ER and told them some shit about my swollen throat and lied that I'm afraid I have a MRSA bacterial infection so they wouldn't make me wait. lol!

They sent me right in!

When the doctors interviewed me, I brought up my "family history of thyroid problems" to steer them in the direction I really wanted them to go. ;) They did a ton of blood work, and I'm a picture of perfect health except for one thing. My TSH hormone levels were totally outrageous. They were at "10" and the upper limit of the healthy range is "4." =^_^=

The doctors were totally perplexed. How could I be exhibiting symptoms of a hyperactive thyroid when my TSH levels indicate extreme hypothyroid symptoms? It was as if on paper, my thyroid was not making any hormones at all yet physically it was working itself to death!

It probably was... :(

So I told the doctor (and they are never thrilled to be outsmarted by their patients) that the thyroid manufactures hormones FROM iodine, and if I drown my thyroid in ridiculous amounts of iodine it will go into overdrive making hormones AND simultaneously send the signal it is not producing enough because quite frankly, it isn't when it's got 700mg worth of KI coming in every fucking day. Hence, the apparent "conflict" between my symptoms and the lab results.

The doctor was a bit flabergasted to say the least!

But here is where it gets REALLY interesting...

As I said above, I have never had a cavity in my life and I am 39 years old. A few months ago my thyroid tests were normal despite mega-dosing for almost 1 year. Suddenly I get a cavity, right on the tooth that is connected to the thyroid as well as the spleen and stomach meridians. To be honest, I had reflexive pains months ago in hand reflexology points and blood in my eye in an iridology point that is connected to the thyroid and stomach, respectively. But I ignored them under the assumption that the iodide was just cleaning up shop. Also, my thyroid tests were normal at the time, why not endure? Hmmm...

Well, having studied Chinese medicine as a hobby for 20 years now, I have finally concluded that the teeth are apparently the FUSES for the acupuncture meridians! My thyroid was working so much (extreme yang), it blew the fuse on the meridian by making a hole in my tooth. The moment the cavitation got filled, the fuse was replaced but without capacity to blow (I filled it with composite which is non-conductive)! So the entire meridian got overloaded and burned! Hence, my symptoms...
I feel pretty smart to have figured this out while lying on a bed in an ER listening to a baby scream for 2 hours straight. ;)

David Brownstein in his book recommendeds dosages as high as 50-100mg Iodoral a day for 1 year, then dropping to a much smaller dosage. He also recommended regular thyroid tests... Based on that Nobel Prize winner who discovered vitamin C, the Hoxsey Clinic and the Japanese, I opted for a more "old-school" dosage experiment of 600-700mg of potassium iodide.

Consequently, I pushed out all the halogen-class metals a lot sooner then normal, and with all the halogen-class metals out-of-the-picture and my endocrine system "rebooted." Now there was nothing left for my thyroid gland to do with all that iodide but go crazy making hormones. After all, I was pouring tons of fuel into the factory! Obviously way too much, in retrospect...

Which brings up one unsolved issue...

Why is it that the old-timers took 700mg/day for their entire lives and never had problems like I now do? Well, my theory is that the old-timers, and the present-day Japanese, had/have stronger thyroid glands due to their iodine-rich environments from the womb on out into the world. There was also limited exposure to halogen-class metals to weakend the thyroid in its' developmental stage which would account for this. In the same manner, testosterone levels and penis sizes keep going down while breast sizes keep going up as we march forward in time.
Consequently it my contention that they had "12-cylinder" thyroids back in the day whereas we probably only have "6-cylinder" models today.

I'm feeling pretty smart again... ;)

I guess Dr. Brownstein was right: slow is fast. But I like to go fast. ;) I guess if you want to go fast, you should have your doctor check your levels every month.

So what will I do now? Stop taking iodine, obviously, and in 1 or 2 months wander into the ER for another free exam. LOL! After that, I will go back to a "tame" Lugol's dosage like 3 vertical drops of J. Crow's a day or something like that. How boring...

I'm pretty sure my thyroid will calm down now that I've stopped giving it so much "gasoline" and the TSH levels will be inside a normal range in a month or two.

Anyway, it's been fun! I had a great time drinking iodine/iodide like water for the last 1.5 years and got great health benefits. Not many people, with the exception of the moderator of the iodine forum over at curezone.com and I, had the guts to explore the topic of iodine consumption to the limits. You learn a lot when you've got so much skin in the game. Seems like I pushed it too far, but that is my nature. Like the Oracle at Delphi said: "never enough."



Why Is Iodine Supplementation So Controversial And Why Do You Have Stuff Dripping Out Your Nose When Taking Iodine Supplements?

Here is the back story:

Your whole endocrine system runs on iodine. Iodine and iodide are like gas for your endocrine system. Some years ago, some "illuminati genius" decided it would be great to make everyone weak by lowering testosterone. Why not make them stupid and sick as well with cancer and diabetes? From their point of view, it was a good plan. After all, they saw what people with strong endocrine systems did when they got fed up with bullshit (research the NYC Draft Riots of the 1800's). So they removed iodine from bread and milk, told everyone that to supplement with iodine was tantamount to poisoning yourself - and then they did something even worse: they FLOODED our environment and diet with halogen-class metals such as fluoride, bromide, mercury, chlorine, etc. These metals "plug" themselves into the same receptor sites that iodine would normally occupy. Total carnage resulted! Today we have a nation of obese, low-testosterone, borderline-diabetics whose brains are in such a fog they don't even suspect they are on the road to c*ncer.


Did you know that the poison fluoride was first put into the water supply in soviet gulags to make prisoners docile and weak? If fluoride prevented cavities, how come everyone has a mouth full of them? Duh!
Did you know that the poison bromide used to leaven bread (they used to use iodine to leaven bread) was originally sold as a "tonic" to make skinny children fat?
Do you think it makes sense to fill a person's dental cavitations with the poison mercury from a thermometer?

Are you uncomfortable with conspiracy theories? So start calling them conspiracy facts!

Anyway, that clear fluid dripping out of your nose when you take a lot of iodine/iodide is all this toxic garbage being pushed out of the body. It will stop eventually. It took almost a year for my endocrine system to "power up" again after years of starvation and toxic abuse.


What's The Story With My Mom, Her Thyroid Health - And Her Dementia?

My mom was not only suffering from iodine deficiency, she drank a certain brand of antacid the is laden with aluminum on a daily basis for over 30 years. The first sign of trouble was her thyroid problem which we ignored. We let those moron doctors put her on synthetic thyroid hormones. We didn't know better back then. I was too busy to do the research. They took out her uterus, and we fought the butcher doctors not to take out her ovaries at the same time. This could all have been prevented with iodine and iodide supplements, but we just didn't know any better. Over the years the utter iodine/iodide starvation combined with the synthetic hormones turned her into an idiot. They call it dementia, brain fog, whatever... it's totally horrific.

I originally started researching iodine supplements on a hunch because I had a feeling iodine would raise my testosterone levels and that was my goal at the time. I just knew there HAD to be a SIMPLE explanation as to why testosterone levels were dropping all over the place. It HAD to be more then JUST the estrogen-mimicking chemicals that filled our environment. And it was: the whole "remove iodine from the environment and replace it was a flood of assorted halogen-class metals" IS the most ACTIONABLE reason testosterone levels are dropping worldwide. I say "actionable" because there is really nothing we can do about the drinking water being shipped in plastic bottles (the opaque water bottles you can't see through easily are the worst), or the BP spill in the Gulf of Mexico, etc... But you CAN do something about your body and brain being starved for iodine which it needs to defend itself from a flood of toxic fluoride and bromide, etc. It is also my speculation that iodine and iodide can protect you from a lot more or those things we think we can do nothing about, but that is just speculation.

Anyway, as I carried on with my iodine research, EVERYTHING about my mom just fell into place as did everything about my particular situation. It was all clear as day for me, including our nation's battle with obesity, diabetes, c*ncer, etc.

I am afraid sometimes that it may be too late for my mom, but my father dutifully gives her the same regimen that worked for me every single day. We both started on this regimen at the same time, 1 year ago. While her dementia hasn't gotten any better it hasn't gotten any worse either. As a matter of fact, she is really happy most of the time and full of energy. Before supplementing with iodine she was always tired and falling asleep. Not any more! Her thyroid tests are now PERFECT, and I just hope that over time the potassium iodide will feed her brain and regenerate it.

But while my father is often times negative about the whole situation (and who can blame him as he has become her "seeing eye human" and is drowned daily in the misery that is dementia), I am relentless by nature and have taken further steps. First, I had a heavy metal toxicity analysis done on my mom. Ironically, despite consuming a shitload of aluminum over the course of her life, she has no issue with aluminum toxicity! Mercury and lead, however, are a fucking nightmare! How did this happen? Well, I am not sure about the lead unless there is something seriously wrong with either the drinking water in NYC, or the pipes in the building she lives in. The Mercury is easy to explain: my mom had a mouthful of mercury fillings and a few years back she had them removed. All at once. With no detox regimen in place before-or-after the procedure. The dentist who removed them was probably clueless as well. Either way, it was after this that things started to rapidly deteriorate.

So I am currently working on chelating the mercury and lead out of her. Easier said then done since most things that are advertised as chelators just don't work. But I'm working with something now that does. It isn't easy, but I figure everything is ultimately simple, we just can't see it. If my mom has mercury and lead toxicity, then I remove it. If her thyroid is broken, I fix it (I did). If she is deficient in minerals, I flood her with them. If I find she is deficient in MCTs and Ketones, I give them to her... Where most people fail in life is they don't follow the advice one of my ex-girlfriends kept parroting: "what gets measured get's managed." If you do real testing of the blood chemistry, and act to correct anything that is off, you are bound to reap boundless benefits.

Another thing I want to add here, is that most people give up waaaaay too easily on everything. This is what your masters want - so you stay a slave forever! You need to be relentless above all things. I know how hard it is to keep going - my life has been all about it! It's like when I climbed Mt. Hua (http://www.ssqq.com/archive/vinlin27d.htm) in Shaanxi Province (I climbed it twice and hope to climb it a third time before I die): the first time I climbed was at night and I wanted to make it to the highest peak before sunrise. I climbed 8 hours continuously. Can you imagine 8 hours on a stairmaster? Where you have to observe the "3 point rule" of a rockclimber in many stretches unless you want to fall to your death? This is what life is mostly about if you want to change your fortune...

Just know where you want to go, hatch a plan how to get there, write down your goal and plan to achieve it, then every day you keep asking yourself "have I really done everything I can today to get closer to my goal?" Arnold Schwarzenegger used to ask himself: "Is it really true that I cannot do another rep?" This is not a joke! Felix Dennis, in his classic "How To Get Rich" writes that getting rich is just endless action requiring near limitless endurance. Michael Phelps is the greatest swimmer in the world because he swam for ten hours a day, 365 days a year, for ten years. NOBODY worked as hard as he did. Hence, he became the champion! There's obviously more to success then hard work, though, like doing good deeds and maybe that is one of the reasons I put this site up - to help others.

Hollywood and TV have been brainwashing you for years in order to turn you into not only a wisdomless slave without a clue, but one who believe instant gratification and a one-minute attention span are the keys to success. Now, there are some people who are just born rich and beautiful but they paid for it in a past life. Believe me. Everything in life is "paid forward." The universe doesn't take credit cards! So start your journey and don't give up!


Let Me Tell You Some More Secrets While I Am At It...

One of the most important reasons to consume iodine is because it is the fuel for your endocrine system and your endocrine system is the root of your spiritual power. You can't activate your pineal gland and become enlightened if it is calcified from all the fluoride you consume in drinking water, toothpaste and mouthwash! But if you really want to change your fortune in life one of the things you need to do is to change your bones. The Chinese are fond of saying, "Your face is your fortune." Taoists say that you cannot become an immortal if you don't have the bones of an immortal. This concept has numerous off-shoots: For example, did you know that the most attractive thing about a man in the eyes of a woman is the man's facial and physical symmetry? Women can even SMELL the symmetry when blindfolded! Other scientific studies have shown that beauty is not relative, but is hard-wired and that the most attractive women have the same mathematical ratios in the face. Ever wonder why Pamela Anderson and Tila Tequilla are the most downloaded women on the internet no matter how banged up they get? Want a good laugh? A bodhisattva in China once told me that you can tell a person's fortune by how straight their penis is! LOL!

Why is this so? The human body has many energy channels. Only a few of them are listed in acupuncture books. Two big ones are the left and right thrusting channels which are power-cables of energy running up and down the core of the body from perineum to crown on the left and right sides, respectively. One could say that the flow of energy in these two channels relative to one another determine how each of our bodies processes male and female energy. In our modern culture, female energy is spat upon by both men AND women.

Women these days all reject their feminine energy because they view it as a handicap when attempting to compete against males in a "feminist" world. Can you imagine a woman in a top corporate position breaking down into tears in the middle of a boardroom? So she represses her feminine side. She does it long enough until her polarity is so destroyed men no longer respond to her. Consequently she can't find a partner, and therefore stays "married to her job" while the top corporate hierarchy pimps out her feminine powers of manifestation to step their game up to multinational levels. Finally, her ovaries and cervix get so used up energetically they need to be cut out by a surgeon. Eventually, she is discarded. She never knew what it was to be a woman...
Men are also in trouble because they have been taught to hate feelings. When was the last time a man crying was looked upon as a sign of strength? Genghis Khan cried all the time - was he a faggot? If a man can't tune into feelings, how he find his own power and use it to make love to a woman in such a way that she will become HIS manifestation vehicle instead of a whore for a big corporation that will end up pimping him out as well in the end? He'll never know what it was to be a man...
People are afraid of the feminine because it is the physical body, the raw, unadulterated life force that powers it and your connection to the planet. Masculine power is the conscious mind that is aware of the experience of this power and shapes it via thought like a divine spark-plug. Energy and matter always follow thought, even if it is not immediately apparent or a lot of time passes between the cause and the effect.

The powers that be don't want you present in your body with full access to your power. They want you stuck in your head where you are so easy to control with a steady diet of anti-depressants and television. They've taught you to be afraid of yourself just as they did your parents. You are scared of your sexual energy, your desires, your feelings - the fact that your body needs to cry as much as it needs to shit. You've been taught that you need to control yourself in order to survive, and like someone who has held a full bladder for far too long you find that when you are at the toilet you just can't let go and piss. And you wonder why you feel disempowered?

This is all accomplished through traumatic births and traumatic childhoods that condition you to be an energetic eunuch as an adult. These traumas cause you to twist your physical structure into all sorts of ugly postures. You twist into these ugly postures so as to control the flow of energy in your body. To make matters worse, millions of children in western society are subjected to "dark ages" orthodontics where teeth are extracted, faces collapsed, and jaws misaligned. And you wonder why you have "low self-esteem?"

The only solution is to go back in time and correct what went wrong. Go back into the iodine-rich, primordial oceans of your feminine energy. Unleash it through courses like http://www.shamanicdearmoring.com/ (http://www.shamanicdearmoring.com/home.htm) which will un-twist your physical body by liberating what you repress, and go get your skull as mathematically perfect as the great pyramid in Egypt with therapy like Neuro-Cranial Restructuring (http://www.drdeanhowell.com/) so it can carry the resonance of the now iodine-enriched pineal gland inside and attract the energy of heaven down to the earth that is your body like the sun shining on a naked beauty lying on the beach in an orgasmic wave. Learn real tantra (http://www.nityama.com/blog/) from Shantam Nityama so YOU can be that sun putting the women in your life into orgasmic waves via your mere presence alone. Finally, if you desire perfect facial symmetry so as to attract the woman of your dreams then check out my other insane public service website http://jawpain-tmjtreatment.com/ and enjoy!


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comma berenices
15-02-2011, 07:24 PM
subbing for reference.

I have been researching thyroid health,i am almost certain my daughters recurrant miscarriges are due to a thyroid problem.

Her basal temperature is very erratic,we settled this down with vitimin B6 it regulated within days.

She has now had 7 misses,the last being twins at the weekend.Iv'e been researching infertility and the thyroid and their is a definitive link.

We are waiting to see if her GP will do a test,she's done an online test and it showed she has an 86% chance of it being her thyroid.

Has natural remedys been banned or restricted in the EU,i'm having problems sourcing any and one US site has restrictions of sale within the EU.

I have found one site that i can purchase lugols' iodine,but i need to read more of this thread before i ask her to take it.

mark1963
16-02-2011, 03:33 PM
subbing for reference.

I have been researching thyroid health,i am almost certain my daughters recurrant miscarriges are due to a thyroid problem.

Her basal temperature is very erratic,we settled this down with vitimin B6 it regulated within days.

She has now had 7 misses,the last being twins at the weekend.Iv'e been researching infertility and the thyroid and their is a definitive link.

We are waiting to see if her GP will do a test,she's done an online test and it showed she has an 86% chance of it being her thyroid.

Has natural remedys been banned or restricted in the EU,i'm having problems sourcing any and one US site has restrictions of sale within the EU.

I have found one site that i can purchase lugols' iodine,but i need to read more of this thread before i ask her to take it.

I've pm'd you.

comma berenices
16-02-2011, 05:56 PM
I've pm'd you.

Thank you for the info:)

Well we persuded the GP to do a thyroid test.She sais she will only the TSH and the TK4 if their is a problem then another test for the TK3 will be asked for.

Were looking closely at her diet iv'e advised to cut out caffine and eat more shellfish and fish.

In 2009 the FDA were looking to ban natural Thyroid treatments within the EU.

looks like they went ahead:mad:

stldynamite
16-02-2011, 06:21 PM
So I bought some "Thyadine" made by 'TruMedica' yesterday and am going to try it but do I need to take the selenium as well?


Thanks!

mark1963
16-02-2011, 08:09 PM
So I bought some "Thyadine" made by 'TruMedica' yesterday and am going to try it but do I need to take the selenium as well?


Thanks!

Read the above article, yes, you need selenium but the correct type.

mark1963
16-02-2011, 08:11 PM
Thank you for the info:)

Well we persuded the GP to do a thyroid test.She sais she will only the TSH and the TK4 if their is a problem then another test for the TK3 will be asked for.

Were looking closely at her diet iv'e advised to cut out caffine and eat more shellfish and fish.

In 2009 the FDA were looking to ban natural Thyroid treatments within the EU.

looks like they went ahead:mad:

I'm afraid the NHS is a con, the thyroid test is up to 10 in the UK and the US but for the rest of Europe it is nearer 2.5 to get diagnosed hypothyroid.

You should get a test from a naturapath and you can get natural thyroid in the UK, but it is not standardised.

stldynamite
16-02-2011, 08:58 PM
Thanks Mark!

So I've read the article but I'm a bit confused. Can I just purchase a bottle of Selenium pills from the local Organic Store? Is the Selenium 'just' to get more of an effect from the iodine? What would happen if I do not take any selenium?

I've been a firm believer in the cocount oil & apple cider vinegar and I believe I'm sold now on the iodine as well. thanks!

comma berenices
16-02-2011, 09:40 PM
I'm afraid the NHS is a con, the thyroid test is up to 10 in the UK and the US but for the rest of Europe it is nearer 2.5 to get diagnosed hypothyroid.

You should get a test from a naturapath and you can get natural thyroid in the UK, but it is not standardised.


Will the NHS docs recognise the results?.

She is being reffered to an infertility clinic,if i'm honest i really don't want to see her go down this road she's 27 and desparate to become a mother.

Do you have any links or sources you could point me too to get natural thyroid,i've drawn a blank in sourcing it in the UK so far.


Oh and she's doing the spit test in the morning:)
Thanks in advance

mark1963
17-02-2011, 05:23 PM
Thanks Mark!

So I've read the article but I'm a bit confused. Can I just purchase a bottle of Selenium pills from the local Organic Store? Is the Selenium 'just' to get more of an effect from the iodine? What would happen if I do not take any selenium?

I've been a firm believer in the cocount oil & apple cider vinegar and I believe I'm sold now on the iodine as well. thanks!

Is the selenium organic and from natural sources? If it is then you are good to go.

If it is not then 200mcg maximum is recommended by the author but even then it is not very good for you.