How many books does Icke sell?

[clint web]

On average, when a new Icke book comes out, how many does it sell?

Does anyone know?

[brainfreeze]

Interesting question.

[_tzupidity]

I tried to look on Amazon but couldn't see. I did see that they're all cheaper on there than here, including pre-ordering the new one for £3 less?! How does that work? I thought the original source would always be the cheapest :confused:

[rr_x]

The real question should be how does someone write as many books as he has, lectured in as many countries as he has, appeared on as much mainstream TV, radio and print publications as he has around the world (not to mention the non mainstream ones) and find time to read the amount of books he claims to have read in his bibliographies, assimilate the information, cross reference it and put it in a 'coherent' manner.

[graflok]

Enough for David to keep writing them I would say. :)

I would also hazard a guess that he is likely one of the best selling authors
in the "New Age" (or whatever the bookstores call it now) genre.

[seercirra]

I tried to look on Amazon but couldn't see. I did see that they're all cheaper on there than here, including pre-ordering the new one for £3 less?! How does that work? I thought the original source would always be the cheapest :confused:

naw companies never work like that, bad business sense.
if davidicke.com has the cheapest prices then no other retailer is going to be interested. if david icke lets other retails sell at a cheaper price then he can sell to 50 or 100 or 500 retailers and let them battle it out for the share of the market.

and to answert the OP, i expect that DI sells many more books than he lets on. i cant think many other english authors right now who has such a fervant following. (apart from the harry potter author perhaps). he has himself a very niche market, which is growing larger with every governmental cock up.

[nicolaj]

The real question should be how does someone write as many books as he has, lectured in as many countries as he has, appeared on as much mainstream TV, radio and print publications as he has around the world (not to mention the non mainstream ones) and find time to read the amount of books he claims to have read in his bibliographies, assimilate the information, cross reference it and put it in a 'coherent' manner.

....a very logical question to ask. I've also wondered if a group of people where given the same reference books to study would they all come up with the same conclusions, our imagination can be a wonderful thing.

[dhama_initiative]

there must be a gap of 5 years between each book so not so inconceivable

[rr_x]

there must be a gap of 5 years between each book so not so inconceivable

Why don't you check? David has been active since his 1990 'awakening'. If it's every 5 years that should amount to 4 or 5 books.

His own site offers 13 books written by him and he does have a few more that aren't available.

Over 13 books in 20 years. And some of them are well in excess of 500 pages.

[clint web]

The main reason I asked the question is that my friend has written a book and Icke writes about it in his new book. Part of a chapter in the new book is devoted to my friend's research.

I was curious for that reason and out of general curiosity - I'm a nosy sod :)

[spitalwings]

The main reason I asked the question is that my friend has written a book and Icke writes about it in his new book. Part of a chapter in the new book is devoted to my friend's research.

I was curious for that reason and out of general curiosity - I'm a nosy sod :)


Can you tell me what your friends book is called and is about?

[clint web]

Spitalwings

I will PM you. I don't think advertising is allowed.

[guuna]

Enough for David to keep writing them I would say. :)

I would also hazard a guess that he is likely one of the best selling authors
in the "New Age" (or whatever the bookstores call it now) genre.

mm.. Carlos Castenada and Sylvia Browne probably out sell him somewhat.

[dhama_initiative]

Why don't you check? David has been active since his 1990 'awakening'. If it's every 5 years that should amount to 4 or 5 books.

His own site offers 13 books written by him and he does have a few more that aren't available.

Over 13 books in 20 years. And some of them are well in excess of 500 pages.

theres big gaps between the big main books, the other are small, like pamphlets.

[mr_pixie]

On average, when a new Icke book comes out, how many does it sell?

Does anyone know?

I think he makes more money if you order them from this website.

[starshine]

Icke books are worth buying and reading.:)

[geezer661]

Icke books are worth buying and reading.:)

yep nice unsubstantiated claims in there

[_tzupidity]

theres big gaps between the big main books, the other are small, like pamphlets.

This one is only a few pages, but just as interesting as his bigger tomes...

http://en.calameo.com/read/000193574b5adfed279ad

The HIV Con Explained by David Icke.

Couple of smaller articles...

http://www.herbogeminis.com/David_Icke_HIV_d (http://www.herbogeminis.com/David_Icke_HIV_does_not_cause_AIDS.html)oes_not_ca use_AIDS.html (http://www.herbogeminis.com/David_Icke_HIV_does_not_cause_AIDS.html)

http://clareswinney.wordpress.com/2010/01/13/aids-the-great-medical-con-explained-by-david-icke/

In short, HIV doesn't cause AIDS. Pharmecuticals do and HIV is the cover story.

[mr_pixie]

Icke books are worth buying and reading.:)


Ive got most of them. :o

[the_cosmic_pimp]

David

I dont care what you motives are my friend

I will gladly buy your books.I dont care even if you dont write them.

Its so warming that the paper everyone buys in the morning

is going on and on bout "mephedrone"

i used to take ephedrine years ago when i was a homo erotic body builder.

I wasnt cool to to that

The sun has relentlessy drilled mephedrone in to our kids heads

Kids are dying............Are they having nor adrenline fueled homo sex on this.

Anyway david is a joke in the paper....

wow wow wow ..........

[mr_pixie]

David Icke's motives are to free the world and sent a message of Love. ;)

[the_cosmic_pimp]

I am a snake

although i dont look like what school calls a snake

or the PICTURE that is shown to u as a youngling

I dont care bout the jews ,illuminati tony blair banging kids

why would i they would make me nasty ...snake like yes

the more i understand about our cold blood

the more it changes colour in my heart and becomes warm

the less of a snake i am .....

[nicolaj]

This one is only a few pages, but just as interesting as his bigger tomes...

http://en.calameo.com/read/000193574b5adfed279ad

The HIV Con Explained by David Icke.

Couple of smaller articles...

http://www.herbogeminis.com/David_Icke_HIV_d (http://www.herbogeminis.com/David_Icke_HIV_does_not_cause_AIDS.html)oes_not_ca use_AIDS.html (http://www.herbogeminis.com/David_Icke_HIV_does_not_cause_AIDS.html)

http://clareswinney.wordpress.com/2010/01/13/aids-the-great-medical-con-explained-by-david-icke/

In short, HIV doesn't cause AIDS. Pharmecuticals do and HIV is the cover story.
:rolleyes:

[skaff]

David Icke's motives are to free the world and sent a message of Love. ;)

And you can have both for just £34.99!

I think DI raises some interesting points but i keep reading how he is doing it out of love. If it was then he should be giving the information, not selling it.

[the_cosmic_pimp]

David is very right

God he must be hysterical when he thinks of us.

i dont gamble but i bet

9/10 icke readers become angry when they realise.

the reptillian stuff is what we need to accept

bollocks to the secret society

that secret society feeds the snake

its hilarious..........................

[mindrevolution]

stop writing in riddles you tit

[the_cosmic_pimp]

Why do u offend me by calling me a TIT

hahaha ......Riddles are simple words my friend

USE YOUR FREE IMAGINATION TO ADD PICTURES

[mr_pixie]

And you can have both for just £34.99!

I think DI raises some interesting points but i keep reading how he is doing it out of love. If it was then he should be giving the information, not selling it.


The guys got to make a livin. What would you have do work for a low wage with no time to rersearch and tour.

[skaff]

The guys got to make a livin. What would you have do work for a low wage with no time to rersearch and tour.

I completely agree and support his work. I agree with some of his research too (can't get my head round reptilians, sorry David!:)). He is fully entitled to earn money for what is a HUGE amount of hard work.

It isn't him i am criticising. It is those that say his motivation is peace and love. This i disagree with. It is only a personal opinion, nothing more.

[marpat]

David is very right

God he must be hysterical when he thinks of us.

i dont gamble but i bet

9/10 icke readers become angry when they realise.

the reptillian stuff is what we need to accept

bollocks to the secret society

that secret society feeds the snake

its hilarious..........................

So why should we accept it? I thought lion people were all the rage now. The society that feeds the snake? do you mean Credo Muttwas zulu tribe, as they sacrifice animals to snakes, who they believe are ancestors.

[dreamweaver]

In short, HIV doesn't cause AIDS. Pharmecuticals do and HIV is the cover story.

I knew someone who had the HIV virus since the 1980s and never developed AIDS, thanks to having access to probably the best HIV specialist in the country.

He had every HIV treatment going but never developed AIDS. How about that? He did die last year, but that was cancer. Unfortunately for him, he'd spent so much of his life preparing himself to fight off AIDS that the cancer crept up on him unawares. It was so far gone by the time he went to hospital that by the time I heard he was in hospital, he was already in a a hospice and died a few days later.

Anyway, to get to the point, here's a little test for you. If you are so sure that HIV doesn't cause AIDS, are you willing to have a transfusion of HIV-infected blood to prove it? Or are you all talk?

[marpat]

The guys got to make a livin. What would you have do work for a low wage with no time to rersearch and tour.

Yet he is happy to take money from people with very little in the name of 'truth'. As for touring, he makes money from that as well.

Lets look at some facts. The Brixton academy can seat 5000 people and at a cost of £35 per ticket that makes a potential total of £175,000. Now tell me that he is not making a fucking fortune out of his work.

http://www.o2academybrixton.co.uk/Info/About

[dreamweaver]

Yet he is happy to take money from people with very little in the name of 'truth'. As for touring, he makes money from that as well.

Lets look at some facts. The Brixton academy can seat 5000 people and at a cost of £35 per ticket that makes a potential total of £175,000. Now tell me that he is not making a fucking fortune out of his work.

http://www.o2academybrixton.co.uk/Info/About

And the Brixton Academy lets people use its venue free of charge, does it?

[marpat]

And the Brixton Academy lets people use its venue free of charge, does it?

And do you think the fees would really take much off him? even if they took 10% it is still a lot of cash.

[dreamweaver]

And do you think the fees would really take much off him? even if they took 10% it is still a lot of cash.

I would have thought that the venue's cut is higher than that but I don't know the figure. Let's go and find out.

He's living in a one-bedroom flat on the Isle of Wight, he's not exactly rolling in it. I presume most of the money goes on flights for his research trips.

[marpat]

I would have thought that the venue's cut is higher than that but I don't know the figure. Let's go and find out.

He's living in a one-bedroom flat on the Isle of Wight, he's not exactly rolling in it. I presume most of the money goes on flights for his research trips.

But dont you think that if he was SEEN to be making a lot of cash from his work then it would look suspcious? a person can chose what sort of house they live in and it does not always fit that the place they chose is a reflection on what they own or possess.

So if he lives in a single bedroomed flat then where do his kids sleep? he has a son and daughter from what I recall, unless they dont live with him.

Research trips? the internet is pretty cheap these days. Lets face it though, this is just the proceeds from a 7 hour talk we are on about here, not all of his talks, books, DVD's, etc. etc.

I have emailed the Brixton academy to enquire about booking fees. Even if they talk half it is still a lot of money to be taking home for seven hours of work.

[neoconsumer]

I tried to look on Amazon but couldn't see. I did see that they're all cheaper on there than here, including pre-ordering the new one for £3 less?! How does that work? I thought the original source would always be the cheapest :confused:



You'd think so wouldn't you, but it doesn't work like that.

Because Icke knows many of the people that regularly visit this site will be taken in by the advertising here he can charge what he wants and not worry too much about the competition.


I think £20 is a bit much, so I've ordered it from bookdepository for £15 delivered;

http://www.bookdepository.co.uk/book/9780955997310/Human-Race-Get-Off-Your-Knees


I pretty much buy all my books on that site actually, it's excellent - very fast postage and the prices are always the cheapest there, often by a fair margin in my experience.

[dreamweaver]

You'd think so wouldn't you, but it doesn't work like that.

Because Icke knows many of the people that regularly visit this site will be taken in by the advertising here he can charge what he wants and not worry too much about the competition.

Well, there are also people who are happy to pay a little more if it's going direct to David, because they support what he is doing, rather than swelling the coffers of Amazon etc.

I have emailed the Brixton academy to enquire about booking fees. Even if they talk half it is still a lot of money to be taking home for seven hours of work.

Well, that saves me having to do it. There's no point in two people contacting them on the same day about their fees.

[skaff]

I have emailed the Brixton academy to enquire about booking fees. Even if they talk half it is still a lot of money to be taking home for seven hours of work.

I don't believe he is making a mint. A living, yes, but not a fortune. You haven't mentioned the time it took him to research those 7 hours, the cost of advertising etc.

[free_thinker]

I knew someone who had the HIV virus since the 1980s and never developed AIDS, thanks to having access to probably the best HIV specialist in the country.

He had every HIV treatment going but never developed AIDS. How about that? He did die last year, but that was cancer. Unfortunately for him, he'd spent so much of his life preparing himself to fight off AIDS that the cancer crept up on him unawares. It was so far gone by the time he went to hospital that by the time I heard he was in hospital, he was already in a a hospice and died a few days later.

Anyway, to get to the point, here's a little test for you. If you are so sure that HIV doesn't cause AIDS, are you willing to have a transfusion of HIV-infected blood to prove it? Or are you all talk?

Sorry about your friend.

Who would have thought mainstream medicine saving lives !!!.

My wife had cancer and didn't have chemo because of other illnesses they thought it may be too harsh on her, guess what the cancer returned a year later and she went onto chemo, 5 years later no return of cancer.

Did the chemo take it's toll, you bet it did.I would rather have her here and had to go through what she did that not be here at all.

These statements about HIV and Cancer being treatable with Bicarbonate of Soda are dangerous and should be questioned vigorously.

This pisses me off more than what Icke makes from his books, good luck to him, but keep the unsubstantiated medical bullshit out of it.

To add to Dreamweaver's challenge, how many would try Bicarbonate of Soda as a cure for their cancer or go with 'mainstream chemo.'

[the_cosmic_pimp]

WHO CARES IF DAVID ICKE MAKES MONEY

HE IS A SNAKE ,I AM A SNAKE U R A SNAKE..........

ALL WE ARE DOING IS OILLING THE GEARS OF THE WAR MACHINE

so i gladdly give david money

cos i knew i was a snake as a kid......

AND BEING A HUMAN i just needed some to tell my hive mind and confirm this

BUT kids are still going to die........and the fear and anger will still flow

[_tzupidity]

Now tell me that he is not making a fucking fortune out of his work.

He's not making a fortune out of 'his' work. If you think about the venue costs he won't be making anywhere near what you think. The main 'benefit' would come from advertising and any resultant book sales.

Let's say he excites half the audience enough to buy a book, there's 2,500 books. They each then tell two other people to buy one. Now you have 7,500 books sales. Let's say they each buy just one of the older books and it doubles to 15,000 book sales. That's a third of a million if they buy them on this site and not amazon and that's on top of anything from advertisers and ticket revenue.

[diamond dogs]

On a personal level, I brought my books off e-bay but this forum is free and is absolutely packed with info that for me is invaluable from many different opinions, links and research. I have a much different perception and understanding of this created 'reality' as I don't tend to listen to any 'news' or watch TV (binned) I just feel a difference and all the info gleaned does 'fit in' it might be a personal thing but if it can help others then that is good...

If people do not believe the information (I do not neccessarily beleive or disbelieve..I just let it find it's level) then don't use all your energy trying to convince others as this is draining you of your potential (I know it can be very difficult if people have been through mixed emotions in their life) and the more negativity you emit then this ultimately is returned, it is all about vibrational energy and the soul imo..

The books are obligatory and imo worth the money because you can sell them on afterwards for basically what you might pay for them...

[the_cosmic_pimp]

can you imagine if david icke was caught sniffing coke with jade goodys mum??

and it was in the media......jpeg evidence with sound

wud you find a way round to convince youself that david wasnt sniffing coke

or would you be angry cos you fueled his drug addiction.

me being a icke fan i would say jades mum twizted davids arm.....

cos jades mums arm was allready twiztid

easy..............lifes amazing

[diamond dogs]

I forgot to add the Moon Matrix is a must read imo being a 'conspiracy theorist' there appears to be a push towards discrediting him more than before so there could be some good stuff that might solve a few puzzles.. Another ching on the sales register...even if it might be fiction or non fiction

[guuna]

Yet he is happy to take money from people with very little in the name of 'truth'. As for touring, he makes money from that as well.

Lets look at some facts. The Brixton academy can seat 5000 people and at a cost of £35 per ticket that makes a potential total of £175,000. Now tell me that he is not making a fucking fortune out of his work.

http://www.o2academybrixton.co.uk/Info/About

rubbish.

He's hardly Stephen King or jK Rowling is he?

[kedz]

nah, i'd have to agree.. he certainly is making money.. but my thing is, why not.. his work and research i'm sure is worth something to him and others.. he certainly works harder than jk rowling or king.. look how much he tours and the length of the lectures, books, networking, meetings... i dunno, i don't stand up for the dude on here, first time in this sort of debate, i just wanted to say, if he's making money on those tours... (prob' more on tour talks than the books), then let him make it.. he works hard as..

[_tzupidity]

he certainly works harder than jk rowling or king..

I don't doubt that he works hard but you can't say he works harder than those two, especially King. They create original peices of work from nothing. Icke collects and collates other people's work and channels the rest from 'the spirits'.

[kedz]

you are absolutely right actually.. think i was on auto pilot earlier.. king writes like a mother f**ker..

[seanx]

Marpat wrote:

Lets look at some facts. The Brixton academy can seat 5000 people and at a cost of £35 per ticket that makes a potential total of £175,000. Now tell me that he is not making a fucking fortune out of his work.

You clearly know fuck all about business?

Ever hear of having to pay rent for a venue, ususally a large sum in
advance?

Or of insurance ?

Or of staff costs?

Security costs?

Advertising costs?

Also I doubt if icke or an alternative thinker would sell out the entire
5,000 seats.

Anyway, let's hope he does - and his organization, now and in the
future make MILLIONS.

The more money you make the more you can expand - and reach
more people.

And enjoy yourself at the same time. Because that what we are
really here for in life - to enjoy the experience.

[marpat]

rubbish.

He's hardly Stephen King or jK Rowling is he?

And? with even a quarter of their earnings he would be rich.

How many books has he printed? how many DVD's has he produced? how much does he make from advertising? how much cash that was donated to his 'legal fund' actually went on legal costs? it all adds up. Even this forum is making money from subscribers.

Lets just estimate that he has sold 50,000 books worldwide, in total, for an average of £20. That would give £1,000,000. Take 50% for costs, etc. and you still have a lot of money.

Its one thing making a living but when people try to make out that he doesnt make much then I cant accept that. We can look at it from various angles. We could just say fair enough, he should not be judged for making lots of money, but on the other hand he is a person who goes on about money being used for manipulation and how it is a mechanisn of slavery, while all the time demanding it to 'get the info out there'.

It is his right to earn a living but personally I think he makes a lot more than people are happy to accept and I think he keeps quite about it so that people dont start thinking its about cash.

[marpat]

You clearly know fuck all about business?

Ever hear of having to pay rent for a venue, ususally a large sum in
advance?

Or of insurance ?

Or of staff costs?

Security costs?

Advertising costs?

Also I doubt if icke or an alternative thinker would sell out the entire
5,000 seats.

Anyway, let's hope he does - and his organization, now and in the
future make MILLIONS.

The more money you make the more you can expand - and reach
more people.

And enjoy yourself at the same time. Because that what we are
really here for in life - to enjoy the experience.

Well if you can offer some figures I would be interested to know.

So does he employ many staff? security as well? does he hire many burely steroid kings then?

How much do you think it costs to advertise in here and through the newsletters?

If people think its fine to make a fortune in such a way then I cant see why they moan about big business making aa fortune. Icke makes money by printing books that play on peoples fears, by talking about fearful things that cannot be easily demonstrated or dealt with, so in effect he is making cash from their mental suffering.

Any need for swearing?

If the academy seats 5000 and it is sold out for his talk then that might mean all the seats are sold. If not then what does it mean by sold out? are only a limited number of tickets printed perhaps?

[i_am]

Also marpats 5000, is for downstairs standing at a gig. I know there were only 2000+ at the last gig, which was a sellout, and just found this

The Brixton Academy, currently officially known as the O2 Academy, Brixton, is one of London's leading music venues, nightclubs and theatres.[1] Situated in Brixton, South London, England, the building has hosted a range of leading rock acts since becoming a music venue in 1983. The maximum capacity is 4,921 (3,760 standing downstairs; 1,083 seated and 78 standing in the circle), alternatively the all-seated capacity is 2,391.

So those figures of marpats do not apply here.

add to costs for audio, sound, lighting, filming, accommodation for all these people etc etc.

[marpat]

Also marpats 5000, is for downstairs standing at a gig. I know there were only 2000+ at the last gig, which was a sellout, and just found this

The Brixton Academy, currently officially known as the O2 Academy, Brixton, is one of London's leading music venues, nightclubs and theatres.[1] Situated in Brixton, South London, England, the building has hosted a range of leading rock acts since becoming a music venue in 1983. The maximum capacity is 4,921 (3,760 standing downstairs; 1,083 seated and 78 standing in the circle), alternatively the all-seated capacity is 2,391.

So those figures of marpats do not apply here.

add to costs for audio, sound, lighting, filming, accommodation for all these people etc etc.

Fair point

[i_am]

And? with even a quarter of their earnings he would be rich.

How many books has he printed? how many DVD's has he produced? how much does he make from advertising? how much cash that was donated to his 'legal fund' actually went on legal costs? it all adds up. Even this forum is making money from subscribers.

Lets just estimate that he has sold 50,000 books worldwide, in total, for an average of £20. That would give £1,000,000. Take 50% for costs, etc. and you still have a lot of money.

Its one thing making a living but when people try to make out that he doesnt make much then I cant accept that. We can look at it from various angles. We could just say fair enough, he should not be judged for making lots of money, but on the other hand he is a person who goes on about money being used for manipulation and how it is a mechanisn of slavery, while all the time demanding it to 'get the info out there'.

It is his right to earn a living but personally I think he makes a lot more than people are happy to accept and I think he keeps quite about it so that people dont start thinking its about cash.

You are so wrong on so many levels.

That is your prerogative, however, do not try to sell your theories as fact.

[marpat]

You are so wrong on so many levels.

That is your preogative, however but do not try to sell your theories as fact.

I knew I would be

I was just speculating really and I am allowed to have my own opinion. Such questions are raised by people at times but I doubt we will ever get to know any facts anyway

[i_am]

I knew I would be

:D

[guuna]

And? with even a quarter of their earnings he would be rich.

How many books has he printed? how many DVD's has he produced? how much does he make from advertising? how much cash that was donated to his 'legal fund' actually went on legal costs? it all adds up. Even this forum is making money from subscribers.

Lets just estimate that he has sold 50,000 books worldwide, in total, for an average of £20. That would give £1,000,000. Take 50% for costs, etc. and you still have a lot of money.

Its one thing making a living but when people try to make out that he doesnt make much then I cant accept that. We can look at it from various angles. We could just say fair enough, he should not be judged for making lots of money, but on the other hand he is a person who goes on about money being used for manipulation and how it is a mechanisn of slavery, while all the time demanding it to 'get the info out there'.

It is his right to earn a living but personally I think he makes a lot more than people are happy to accept and I think he keeps quite about it so that people dont start thinking its about cash.

From what I understand he lives fairly modestly.

[marpat]

From what I understand he lives fairly modestly.

You been round for tea lately?

[blue2]

Freethinker Bicarbonate Soda does actually stop the acidic blood and is an alkaliser so raises PH levels to a healthier state it would need doing each two hours....and definitely Magnascent Iodine, the mineral is essential for cancer fighting take a read at www.magnascent.com Magnesium,zinc,Selenium are all cancer fighters

Acidosis causes disease states just as systemic Candida does and that in itself causes an acidic environment aside from most foods and drinks. Actually i use Aspalls Organic Cyder Vinegar-the golden one along with a tspn of Bicarb in 8oz water,it fizzes for a moment and is pleasant - if anyone gets heartburn or after drinking alcohol then use this combo and see in a few seconds the acid is gone. I'd use Ionic Minerals these are liquid forms and much easier for body to assimilate into cells. There is always CELL FOOD by LUMINA from Nu-Science too-widely available in UK.

We need MINERALS magnesium is actually needed for nerve conduction and heart and liver amongst other things-hormones. Minerals help our body's to detox. We are not getting them in today's mass produced foods. Just popping to the shops to buy vit/min pills is not the answer as they invariably do not absorb. Far better would be Men or Lady's PQ.....

[guuna]

You been round for tea lately?

nope. don't live on the Isle of Wight.

I hope he'd serve me something stronger than tea.:D

[pound]

Yet he is happy to take money from people with very little in the name of 'truth'. As for touring, he makes money from that as well.

Lets look at some facts. The Brixton academy can seat 5000 people and at a cost of £35 per ticket that makes a potential total of £175,000. Now tell me that he is not making a fucking fortune out of his work.

http://www.o2academybrixton.co.uk/Info/About

Why do you care how much Icke makes? I dont think its really any of your business to begin with to be honest.

[seanx]

Marpat wrote:

Well if you can offer some figures I would be interested to know.

How would I have figures - and if I had what business would it be of
yours?

Do you have a problem with people working hard and making money?

Have you fallen for the illuminati's lie which they PROGRAM into people
through their religions and belief systems that money is evil ?



If people think its fine to make a fortune in such a way then I cant see why they moan about big business making aa fortune. Icke makes money by printing books that play on peoples fears, by talking about fearful things that cannot be easily demonstrated or dealt with, so in effect he is making cash from their mental suffering.

Well, mate since you haven't read any of them - I think you struggled
through the Biggest secret -I suppose you can't be blamed for writing
the above nonsense.

You are a very strange poster.

You can write some very insight posts esp. in regard to the occult - and
yet some of your other posts are complete nonsense.

You seem bitter about Icke's success after his years of being mocked
and ridiculed ......

What's that all about.

There is nothing stopping you or any of us writing books or giving
lectures.........

Why attack someone when he has the balls to do it, whether you agree
with him or not.

[wakeupworld]

I knew someone who had the HIV virus since the 1980s and never developed AIDS, thanks to having access to probably the best HIV specialist in the country.

He had every HIV treatment going but never developed AIDS. How about that? He did die last year, but that was cancer. Unfortunately for him, he'd spent so much of his life preparing himself to fight off AIDS that the cancer crept up on him unawares. It was so far gone by the time he went to hospital that by the time I heard he was in hospital, he was already in a a hospice and died a few days later.

Anyway, to get to the point, here's a little test for you. If you are so sure that HIV doesn't cause AIDS, are you willing to have a transfusion of HIV-infected blood to prove it? Or are you all talk?

What a sad story, I`m sorry about your friend.

I admit I haven`t read David`s book that talks about HIV, from memory after seeing the film "HIV -Aids, Fact or Fiction doesn`t Dr Peter Duesburg mention that drug AZT is the drug that causes AIDS?
From what you say your brave friend had many other treatments.

[totalrecall]

I don't tend to listen to any 'news' or watch TV (binned)


Good for you. I wish I could do the same but my wife loves (is addicted to) the soaps too much. If it wasn't for that, we either wouldn't have a tv, or we would play games on it or something.

It's interesting listening to the news for entertainment purposes after reading a David Icke book. You can see the agenda in black and white. Even if before you kind of saw through it, you really see through it after David Icke.

I was in NY a few weeks ago for the first time and noticed American news to be vastly different than in Europe. In Europe, my opinion is that the news is political (NWO) agenda based: scaremongering, chip implanting type marketing - problem/reaction/solution type of news.

In NY, the news was selling commercial products directly with NO shame! It was so thinly-veiled, I felt like I was on the Truman show. They also put on an extremely highly propagandised story on "our troops in Afghanistan", talked about non-news events such as a family losing their dog and someone making a slide in the snow. The general feeling behind the news was that everything is fine in America. It's a type of mind control to stop people realising that something is wrong.


I believe that the awakening is a 7 stage process:

1. Realise that something is wrong: That something being that money rules over morality. You read and see stories on the net (and maybe in personal life) that show people being paid off to make personal profit at the expense of the masses. Basically, corruption.

2. Realise that we are under attack from all angles in life: chemically, electronically etc. from most institutions. You still think the only reason for this is because people love money too much and just look after themselves.

3. Realise that the entire system is the corruption. It's not a handful of important people being bribed, it's the very system itself. That darkness lives in all institutions and hides behind a thin veneer of light. Look at the catholic church and paedophiles, the medical industry etc. as clear examples. Darkness needs secrecy to survive and flourish.

4. Realise that the system has been intentionally designed like that. There is intention behind this creation to attack us and keep us trapped.

5. Realise that this entrapment's ultimate aim involves keeping us trapped in this dimensional reality. That we are owned or they think we are owned. All roads lead to keeping us here on the 3D planet.

6. This automatically leads to the realisation that our "guardians" or "owners" are extra or inter dimensional beings of a very probable alien/demonic nature.
Aliens have always been here and rule us covertly, a little bit like the film "Dark City". They must need us for foul purposes. What I don't know. They probably feed off us in some way.

7. And lastly. The realisation that the only way off, or the only way to go "up" is to develop yourself and realise that in truth we always had the power to change our reality right now through a mixture of intention and conviction (thought and emotion). An example which is easily practised is repeating what you want to change at least 40 times with great conviction. Change will occur well within 24 hours. Developing yourself and thereby developing your ability to change your reality in a more and more dramatic and quicker and quicker way is the art of magick, but I am sure there are other methods too.

If this (woman) can fly, then so can I:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=lKSTqsUKWc8

I believe the video to be genuine due to the angle at which she is flying. Just my point of view and nothing more, so no hissy fits.

[nicolaj]

If this (woman) can fly, then so can I:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=lKSTqsUKWc8

have you tried it?

[totalrecall]

No.

But I am starting on the hermetic path. I have been following and practising 6 days a week the procedures in this book: Amazon.com: Initiation into Hermetics (9781885928122): Franz Bardon: Books@@AMEPARAM@@http://ecx.images-amazon.com/images/I/51T9FJEJ0QL.@@AMEPARAM@@51T9FJEJ0QL since May 2009. I have just begun stage 3 (but not all of it) 2 or 3 weeks ago. There are 9 (or is it 10?) stages altogether. The final stage allows for levitation, but not necessarily flying. So far, the book does what it says. This process will take years though.

I also practise a few Golden Dawn techniques such as the SIRP, BRH, circle of light, Pillar of light and the 5 tibetan exercises taken mostly from Amazon.com: Modern Magick: Eleven Lessons in the High Magickal Arts (Llewellyn's High Magick) (9780875423241): Donald Michael Kraig: Books@@AMEPARAM@@http://ecx.images-amazon.com/images/I/51YMp4lK5WL.@@AMEPARAM@@51YMp4lK5WL. I do this before I practise the Bardon stuff.

The whole thing takes around 50 minutes at this stage. It's tough to do as it requires discipline, but if at the beginning, you miss days, don't be hard on yourself and slowly you can get into a routine. If you have more time (no kids, or don't need to work etc.) it is a lot easier to do.


I'm now committed to this path, so there is no turning back for me now.

There are probably other techniques to develop yourself, but Bardon appealed to me.

[free_thinker]

Freethinker Bicarbonate Soda does actually stop the acidic blood and is an alkaliser so raises PH levels to a healthier state it would need doing each two hours....and definitely Magnascent Iodine, the mineral is essential for cancer fighting take a read at www.magnascent.com Magnesium,zinc,Selenium are all cancer fighters

Acidosis causes disease states just as systemic Candida does and that in itself causes an acidic environment aside from most foods and drinks. Actually i use Aspalls Organic Cyder Vinegar-the golden one along with a tspn of Bicarb in 8oz water,it fizzes for a moment and is pleasant - if anyone gets heartburn or after drinking alcohol then use this combo and see in a few seconds the acid is gone. I'd use Ionic Minerals these are liquid forms and much easier for body to assimilate into cells. There is always CELL FOOD by LUMINA from Nu-Science too-widely available in UK.

We need MINERALS magnesium is actually needed for nerve conduction and heart and liver amongst other things-hormones. Minerals help our body's to detox. We are not getting them in today's mass produced foods. Just popping to the shops to buy vit/min pills is not the answer as they invariably do not absorb. Far better would be Men or Lady's PQ.....

There may be something in blood ph level and the occurrence of cancers but cancer tumours are not an outbreak of Candida Albicans.Not all cancer tumours are white and not all cancers produce tumours.

Acidosis can also be a result of cancer so possibly chicken and egg situation.I do agree though that are numerous things we could and should be doing to help reduce the possibility of cancer developing but injecting tumours with Bicarbonate of Soda is not one of them.

[skaff]

That is your prerogative, however, do not try to sell your theories as fact.

I think this should be a Sticky on every thread in this forum!!

[i_am]

I think this should be a Sticky on every thread in this forum!!

OMG Then fix the typos first :eek: :p

There did it :D

[_tzupidity]

And? with even a quarter of their earnings he would be rich.

How many books has he printed? how many DVD's has he produced? how much does he make from advertising? how much cash that was donated to his 'legal fund' actually went on legal costs? it all adds up. Even this forum is making money from subscribers.


I guess it depends how he splits the money up. David Icke Books Ltd doesn't make enough money to have to give a full accounts each year, so the millions aren't there. I've not heard of this legal fund before but I'm guessing that'd be separate. Has anyone ever taken Icke's research techniques and applied them to Icke?

[skaff]

OMG Then fix the typos first :eek: :p

There did it :D

I wouldn't dream of being so presumptuous!!

Oh....hope i spelt that right :p

[marpat]

I guess it depends how he splits the money up. David Icke Books Ltd doesn't make enough money to have to give a full accounts each year, so the millions aren't there. I've not heard of this legal fund before but I'm guessing that'd be separate. Has anyone ever taken Icke's research techniques and applied them to Icke?

Personally I would consider a person rich if they had £200,000 in the bank. Wealth is a relative thing. His legal fund once had a link in on the website and was set up so people could donate to his legal battles, which I think were about copyright, if I remember correctly, possibly not.

[starshine]

Listen Marpat, and listen good. David Icke can have whatever he likes in his own bank account and it seems like jealousy on your part that he might have £200'000 in his account. He will DOUBLE this amount in the end of the year and I hope Icke will have his own YOU TUBE channel soon where I will definately become a subscriber and so will others too. That is if he wants to spread the message to all and sundry that is.
I know in the past, that I was listening to negative sorts who were in fact very jealous of Mr David Icke but now I am enlightened.
Oh go and play with IAIAA whatever Marpat, and I wish a toilet is here to shove him in to retailate for the bad treatment of Thirdwave.:mad:

[skaff]

Listen Marpat, and listen good. David Icke can have whatever he likes in his own bank account and it seems like jealousy on your part that he might have £200'000 in his account. He will DOUBLE this amount in the end of the year and I hope Icke will have his own YOU TUBE channel soon where I will definately become a subscriber and so will others too. That is if he wants to spread the message to all and sundry that is.
I know in the past, that I was listening to negative sorts who were in fact very jealous of Mr David Icke but now I am enlightened.
Oh go and play with IAIAA whatever Marpat, and I wish a toilet is here to shove him in to retailate for the bad treatment of Thirdwave.:mad:

I can't speak for marpat but my point wasn't that he earned 1 pound or 1 million. I think he works very hard and earns every penny, regardless of the total. However, if (i stress, if) he is making a well earned living, then those who claim his motives are peace and love are mistaken. If he wanted to enlighten the world as his main objective, then he would do it at cost.

I am not critcising him at all, i just think that people should have a little more perspective imho.

[geezer661]

Listen Marpat, and listen good. David Icke can have whatever he likes in his own bank account and it seems like jealousy on your part that he might have £200'000 in his account. He will DOUBLE this amount in the end of the year and I hope Icke will have his own YOU TUBE channel soon where I will definately become a subscriber and so will others too. That is if he wants to spread the message to all and sundry that is.
I know in the past, that I was listening to negative sorts who were in fact very jealous of Mr David Icke but now I am enlightened.
Oh go and play with IAIAA whatever Marpat, and I wish a toilet is here to shove him in to retailate for the bad treatment of Thirdwave.:mad:

ickes bodyguard is here ladies and gents.

can you all stand back and mke way for mister icke

http://www.javatuning.com/wp-content/uploads/2009/02/bodyguard.jpg

[guuna]

Personally I would consider a person rich if they had £200,000 in the bank. Wealth is a relative thing. His legal fund once had a link in on the website and was set up so people could donate to his legal battles, which I think were about copyright, if I remember correctly, possibly not.

where I live, £200 thousand doesn't even buy a modest 2 bedroom flat. Where I live is in the heart of the commuter belt, Banksters paradise if you will.

But yes. i would be envious of someone with so much in the bank( a virtually unthinkable amount for me.)

I think the banksters with their bounuses surely have the drop on old Icke.