German government promote incest/pedophilia!!

[ness1982]

I have been debating for the last few days whether to post this, but decided this is too important not to post!

Is this what our world is coming to now?? If so, I no longer want to be part of it!

http://www.lifesite.net/ldn/2007/jul/07073008.html

[equinox]

This is unbelievable, thanks for posting this.

[charles d ward]

WTF? ??? Disgusting! This is pissing me off big time!

Put the cunts up against a wall... :mad:

[tinmenace]

"Fathers do not devote enough attention to the clitoris and vagina of their daughters. Their caresses too seldom pertain to these regions, while this is the only way the girls can develop a sense of pride in their sex," reads the booklet regarding 1-3 year olds. The authors rationalize, "The child touches all parts of their father's body, sometimes arousing him. The father should do the same."

From Source in first post



Wow! I'm astounded. Thanks for posting this. I'll be adding this info to my Pedophile thread HERE (http://www.davidicke.com/forum/showthread.php?t=11173)

[lydia78]

Outrageous!!
How dare they try to eradicate the age of innocence in children,
by introducing this stratergy the future implications for the next generation
are too horific to think of!!
Who the hell gave the thumbs up on this??
Fucking bastards!!:mad:

[metacomet]

Hoooooly shit this is pretty incredible.

Germans and Europeans etc. are so incredibly haughty about being liberal and 'advanced' compared to the West.

They've already crossed many lines. This is just another.

What's sad is that plenty of Europeans would call us 'up-tight' for recoiling in horror at the idea of 'massaging' our daughters clitoris from the age of 1 to 3.

Fucking revolting.

[comawhite015]

That's pretty gross. Are there impartial websites about this book from a clinical perspective?

[octopusrex]

Fools the lot of you.

[astrochicken]

Fools the lot of you.

Please explain your statement!.

Fools, because there are allready at least a half-dozen threads on this forum allready dealing with this particular topic (*wishing* posters would use the archive search function to bring old topics to the front page instead of starting a new one as their at least 6 threads with several hundred responses to precisely this brochure)

Fools, because we're sickened by the liberal and gay agenda being forced down our throats?

or

Fools, because we don't like fiddling with kids?

or

Fools, because you think you've sussed out that it's just a songbook released by the BZgA?


I'm really interested in your take on this.. i have kids who go to school in germany so let's hear your well-thought treatise on why we are all fools.

[comawhite015]

Fools the lot of you.

Is it a joke website?

[astrochicken]

Is it a joke website?

No. It's for real.



There'll be no further comment from him though.

Perusing the archives twould seem he either approves of this kind of thing
or waltzes into a thread with a provocative one-liner and f#&ks off again.

You need folk like that though, as beavis and butthead would say "If stuff didn't suck, then you wouldn't know what's cool"

[octopusrex]

Please explain your statement!.

Fools, because there are allready at least a half-dozen threads on this forum allready dealing with this particular topic (*wishing* posters would use the archive search function to bring old topics to the front page instead of starting a new one as their at least 6 threads with several hundred responses to precisely this brochure)

Fools, because we're sickened by the liberal and gay agenda being forced down our throats?

or

Fools, because we don't like fiddling with kids?

or

Fools, because you think you've sussed out that it's just a songbook released by the BZgA?


I'm really interested in your take on this.. i have kids who go to school in germany so let's hear your well-thought treatise on why we are all fools.

Fools for not trusting the German Government on this one. They might know stuff you are not aware of.

[astrochicken]

Fools for not trusting the German Government on this one. They might know stuff you are not aware of.

What might that be then?

Your posts are somewhat ambiguous, so are you in favour of fiddling with kids or not?

[lilloz]

Fools for not trusting the German Government on this one. They might know stuff you are not aware of.

ewww, thats gross:eek:

[entrangermercenary]

Fools for not trusting the German Government on this one. They might know stuff you are not aware of.

EH !! Not trusting the goverment on this one. I dont trust any goverment on anything :mad: And if you think this is credible , or a good thing to be doing to your children u need a 1 way ticket to the nut house. :mad: :mad: :mad:

[astrochicken]

..need a 1 way ticket to the nut house. :mad: :mad: :mad:

That'd b too good for him.


i say snippety f**king snip AND i'd bring my own scissors.

[octopusrex]

What might that be then?

Your posts are somewhat ambiguous, so are you in favour of fiddling with kids or not?

I am AGAINST parents who hit the panic button whenever sex ed is spoken of.

[comawhite015]

I am AGAINST parents who hit the panic button whenever sex ed is spoken of.

As am I.

But I would not massage my 2 year old daughter's clitoris. What the fuck.

[adimon]

The newspaper articles that sprung up about this publication last year have been debunked thoroughly. I suggest you research it and see for yourselves.

[halkatla]

The newspaper articles that sprung up about this publication last year have been debunked thoroughly. I suggest you research it and see for yourselves.

so the pamphlets are not real? I don´t have the time to research it but it would be nice to know that a government sponsored pamphlet doesn´t say "such and such". I guess I´m wondering how this was debunked, could you tell us?

[astrochicken]

so the pamphlets are not real? I don´t have the time to research it but it would be nice to know that a government sponsored pamphlet doesn´t say "such and such". I guess I´m wondering how this was debunked, could you tell us?

The pamphlets are real, but due to public outcry they are now banned.
The one published on the 1st thread contains harmless songs.
The two offending brochures: The Body, Love and playing doctor I (age 1-3) and II (age 4-6) were published by the BZGA (Bundeszentrale für Gesundheit and Aufklärung / Federal agency for Health and Education)

Anyone, that claims they were "debunked" has their head in the sand, probably doesn't even speak german and has to rely on second-hand information.

These pamphlets were real.

The pamphlets in question (in german) (http://www.bzga.de/?id=pressearchiv&nummer=50&jahr=2001)

[halkatla]

Thanx for the info!

[octopusrex]

Heard so much about them sadly they are no longer available. It's just advice on how to teach your kids about their bodies. No biggie. I would be a lot more worried about a bunch of radical Christians decrying that the government has no right to teach kids about their bodies and then banning some pamphlet on how to talk to your kids about their clit should the question arise.

[astrochicken]

...to talk to your kids about their clit should the question arise.


Eh no.. it was about parents RUBBING their daughters clit until it *tingles*

BIG FUCKING DIFFERENCE!!!


So rex... like kids do you?

[octopusrex]

Eh no.. it was about parents RUBBING their daughters clit until it *tingles*

BIG FUCKING DIFFERENCE!!!


So rex... like kids do you?

Since I never read the book, I have no way to judge it. What I do know is that sex ed, here in Mexico, which is heavily Catholic and very "primitive" on such subjects is desperately needed and Germany was always pretty progressive about such subjects.

I love kids. Usually kids love me too, 'cept when I have to lay down the law.

[astrochicken]

Since I never read the book, I have no way to judge it. What I do know is that sex ed, here in Mexico, which is heavily Catholic and very "primitive" on such subjects is desperately needed and Germany was always pretty progressive about such subjects.

I love kids. Usually kids love me too, 'cept when I have to lay down the law.



I agree, that kids should be aware of sex education at some point.

Here's 3 examples i have personally read targetting the 3 - 7 age group.

1. parents should help their daughter explore their bodies by tickling their clit
2. "Sarah has two mummies." etc. etc.
3. .."Peter's dad has a new roommate." etc. etc.

Bear in mind we are talking age 3 to 7 here.

#1 is downright sick and a pedophiles wet dream and quite rightly the offending brochures have been removed.
#2 und #3 is promoting the gay "agenda". (yes, it exists no more disinfo artists please!)

If my kids were to turn out gay, i couldn't care less.. but #2 und #3 eedn't to be forced on 3 to 7 year olds who have no interest in that age.

Think back to when you were 5 years old..

[xpleet]

Do you really believe that this is any different from Obama's plan for sex education for 3 year olds? Pedophilia is on the agenda.
The Annunaki-elite like to do it with small children and cannibalism isn't far off either.

[octopusrex]

I agree, that kids should be aware of sex education at some point.

Here's 3 examples i have personally read targetting the 3 - 7 age group.

1. parents should help their daughter explore their bodies by tickling their clit
2. "Sarah has two mummies." etc. etc.
3. .."Peter's dad has a new roommate." etc. etc.

Bear in mind we are talking age 3 to 7 here.

#1 is downright sick and a pedophiles wet dream and quite rightly the offending brochures have been removed.
#2 und #3 is promoting the gay "agenda". (yes, it exists no more disinfo artists please!)

If my kids were to turn out gay, i couldn't care less.. but #2 und #3 eedn't to be forced on 3 to 7 year olds who have no interest in that age.

Think back to when you were 5 years old..

Am I missing something in the translation? Do you have the original german quotes? As for the gay agenda.. I think it's called "Tolerance" and it seems a perfectly good idea.

[eternal_spirit]

Sure I read an artcile which I cannot find says it's Zionists in the Government that put out this pamphlet.

Anyone heard this or any proof?

[astrochicken]

Am I missing something in the translation? Do you have the original german quotes? As for the gay agenda.. I think it's called "Tolerance" and it seems a perfectly good idea.

Here's the original in german:
Scheide und vor allem Klitoris erfahren kaum Beachtung durch zärtliche Berührung (weder durch Vater noch Mutter) und erschweren es damit für das Mädchen, Stolz auf seine Geschlechtlichkeit zu entwickeln."

Maybe you missed something in the translation.. but there can be no doubts about that sentence above, in german, going on about "zärtliche berührung".


As regards the gay agenda:
I couldn't give a monkeys who does what to whom.. but children should have the right to be children as long as they, themselves, want.

[octopusrex]

Here's the original in german:


Maybe you missed something in the translation.. but there can be no doubts about that sentence above, in german, going on about "zärtliche berührung".


As regards the gay agenda:
I couldn't give a monkeys who does what to whom.. but children should have the right to be children as long as they, themselves, want.

Absolutely, astrochechen.

[bensonz]

That's pretty gross. Are there impartial websites about this book from a clinical perspective?

Oh do you mean like is there proof that 600,000 pounds of tax payers money has been spent on teaching the pleasures of hetrosexual sex to five year olds as is the recent case of teaching the pleasure of gay sex to five year olds which you seem to think is okay?

Your question in and of itself is ridiculous in the extreme, to even consider any type of clinical study on this abomnibal topic could be impartial in the first place reveals to me that you are totally insane as it implies that someone would have to impartially commit incest on their children under the auspices of a "clinical study"

[bensonz]

Since I never read the book, I have no way to judge it. What I do know is that sex ed, here in Mexico, which is heavily Catholic and very "primitive" on such subjects is desperately needed and Germany was always pretty progressive about such subjects.

I love kids. Usually kids love me too, 'cept when I have to lay down the law.

What law? "Now this is your little clitoris that daddy is playing with, stop crying, stop crying, its good for". That law?

[runciter]

Absolutely, astrochechen.

do you think sex with children should be permitted and encouraged?

[metacomet]

I am AGAINST parents who hit the panic button whenever sex ed is spoken of.

Masturbating your infant children is 'sex ed'?

Fuck off. :rolleyes:

I love how people are so determined to be 'progressive' even in the face of bat-shit insanity.

[runciter]

Fools for not trusting the German Government on this one. They might know stuff you are not aware of.

interesting... what are you talking about, exactly?

[runciter]

Since I never read the book, I have no way to judge it. What I do know is that sex ed, here in Mexico, which is heavily Catholic and very "primitive" on such subjects is desperately needed and Germany was always pretty progressive about such subjects.

I love kids. Usually kids love me too, 'cept when I have to lay down the law.

what do you do with them?

[romas]

So what was that "subsidiary group" there is nothing mentioned where information was coming from, I'd like to hear the "thinktank" who came up with it and his reasons, fingering infants wtf?

O'Brien dude sounds very opinionated, not very usefull if he's not up to find the source and inquire their agenda and reasons. I can see religious conotations in his usage of word "innocence"

[dude111]

"Fathers do not devote enough attention to the clitoris and vagina of their daughters. Their caresses too seldom pertain to these regions, while this is the only way the girls can develop a sense of pride in their sex," reads the booklet regarding 1-3 year olds. The authors rationalize, "The child touches all parts of their father's body, sometimes arousing him. The father should do the same."Thats gotta be a joke!!

How are the kids gonna have a REGULAR SEX LIFE with this crap going on??

Incest is not supposed to happen,so why do this and risk affecting thier minds so they wont ever have a regular sex drive?

Totally confusing.........

[runciter]

So what was that "subsidiary group" there is nothing mentioned where information was coming from, I'd like to hear the "thinktank" who came up with it and his reasons, fingering infants wtf?

O'Brien dude sounds very opinionated, not very usefull if he's not up to find the source and inquire their agenda and reasons. I can see religious conotations in his usage of word "innocence"

"innocent" means that they cannot defend themselves or understand what's done to them, it's very simple.

child molesters are the supreme cowards, they play the victim while they serially traumatize defenseless creatures.

[metacomet]

"innocent" means that they cannot defend themselves or understand what's done to them, it's very simple.


Oh boy... you should take my side in the 'spongebob is $#*@ed up' thread...

I've been hearing from certain posters that children should 'think for themselves' and decide what material to 'accept'...

As in - if you present your 3 year old with sex-ed material, it's their responsibility to handle it correctly :rolleyes:.

Or if you don't want your kids to be exposed to sex on tv, we should simply trust them to not be brainwashed by it... to 'think for themselves.'

All of this denies the fact that children should be completely innocent of weighing these topics and only an idiot would think they were capable of handling issues themself...

[majorlee]

thats pretty fucked up and i live in Germany too - just showed to my missus (who is german) and she could not believe it!

i am all for given children the rights and access to sexual education when they want it , but this is just crazy!

this part i agree with...

The pamphlet advises parents to permit young children "unlimited masturbation" except where physical injury becomes apparent. It advises: "Children should learn that there is no such thing as shameful parts of the body. The body is a home, which you should be proud of."

but this bit was sickening and totally not on the right path...

"Fathers do not devote enough attention to the clitoris and vagina of their daughters. Their caresses too seldom pertain to these regions, while this is the only way the girls can develop a sense of pride in their sex," reads the booklet regarding 1-3 year olds. The authors rationalize, "The child touches all parts of their father's body, sometimes arousing him. The father should do the same."

remember if ya from the USA or UK you will have a certain conditioning of Sex you will need to break free from

note...my g/f says this was distributed by a governmental agency but some parts have been revised beacuse translations were deemed to be of a pedophillic nature. Also they go on to say about how you should touch your children, ie washing and not to look on it as a 'dirty' task to wash sexual areas, making sure your children understand also.

she is now reading the first version and revised versions :)

[majorlee]

so the pamphlets are not real? I don´t have the time to research it but it would be nice to know that a government sponsored pamphlet doesn´t say "such and such". I guess I´m wondering how this was debunked, could you tell us?

the leaflets are REAL

but the webiste it comes from is CATHOLIC based site - so thats a bit ironic considering pedophiles and how to handle children lmao!!!!!

my g/f has read it (in german) and she says its totally out of context and mis quoted

no wonder the original poster was wondering weather to post it or not, his gut feeling was saying no, but emotions got the better of them and it was posted

we are so sexually repressed in UK/USA and fuuny that we have HIGHEST rates of rapes, sexual perversion, incest and exposure!!!

[ninny]

hi guys,

ive read that news and must say there is a misinterpretation.
the problem with this leaflet is one:

we all know that sexuality does not begin with the first sex with a boy or a girl at 18. it starts very early. someone who has kids knows that. and if you look into yourself, you know that too.

i think this leaflet was a try to through away some clishees or taboos.
but the problem is, the author was very directly but kind in a way. ive read some texts.

so the problem is not the leaflet. the problem really are the pedophile people who take this information as apology for their own sexual desire.

so there are 2 points to get. not only 1.
children in fact do experience sexuality but not in a way adults do.
that is the difference!

germany stopped to spread the leaflet also the pdf on the website, because there were f.ex. too much downloads. and guess who downloaded........

as long as pedophile exist, there will never be a normal way to talk about such things.

[mntruthseeker]

This is disgusting and the scary thing is with the books in the US schools now teaching our children about sex is bad enought. people are truly evil to do this and its not Gods way at all

sick sick sick

[majorlee]

This is disgusting and the scary thing is with the books in the US schools now teaching our children about sex is bad enought. people are truly evil to do this and its not Gods way at all

sick sick sick


teaching kids about sex is the only way countries like the US will break its NASTY chain of sex perversions

what is Gods way exactly? which God are you refering too?

what is sick is people being locked up instead of helped by the community with sexual problems and kids being made to feel ashamed of there feelings, touching themselves, no sex b4 marriage etc - this is what is really sick! if only u realised what you are doing to the children, in years to come you will be the ones ashamed of your actions!

the leaflet was trying to break those taboo's enforced on you by your parents and help children into a new age of understanding and sexual liberty but a CATHOLIC reporter decides to translate, mis quote and use it out of context to further his/her agenda (and keep his money coming in no doubt)


mntruthseeker - i would like to know more about these books you talk of, can you give me some examples and pictures?

[metacomet]

the leaflet was trying to break those taboo's enforced on you by your parents and help children into a new age of understanding and sexual liberty but a CATHOLIC reporter decides to translate, mis quote and use it out of context to further his/her agenda (and keep his money coming in no doubt)


Makes sense to me.

But what taboo was the pamphlet originally supposed to help break? Masturbation?

There's nothing too revolutionary about 'allowing unlimited masturbation' :rolleyes:.

Let's be serious. This pamphlet probably was encouraging parents to promote sexuality in their children... not just let it develop naturally. PROVOKE it.

[majorlee]

Makes sense to me.

But what taboo was the pamphlet originally supposed to help break? Masturbation?

There's nothing too revolutionary about 'allowing unlimited masturbation' :rolleyes:.

Let's be serious. This pamphlet probably was encouraging parents to promote sexuality in their children... not just let it develop naturally. PROVOKE it.


my G/F who is a natural German speaker told me it informed parents how to deal with touching there children, with all the pedophile crazyness out there people can get a bit freaked about touching there own children (i mean under 3's) washing them, medically examining etc - making sure that they feel comfortable, my G/F says she was activily masturbating from the age of 5 and remembers her daughter at age 3 doing these things whilst watch the tv lol - in decades ago parents would have told off there children, the leaflet was trying to encourage a new way of dealing with it which wuld not mentally scar the children.

[metacomet]

my G/F who is a natural German speaker told me it informed parents how to deal with touching there children,

Touching their children while washing them?

There should be no conscious effort to touch a child's genitals when washing them, give it a scrub and move on... nothing else should be done and to say that special attention needs to be paid is just creepy.

my G/F says she was activily masturbating from the age of 5 and remembers her daughter at age 3 doing these things whilst watch the tv lol

I've seen the same behavior. We could go into a topic about females at this point but I'd rather not. It doesn't matter how girls handle themselves, it's none of our business. If they do it naturally there is no reason to hand out leaflets.

And I hate to say it, but masturbating in public should be taught to be avoided. Just like any other private function. Just because kids are too naive to realize that their behavior could be offensive doesn't mean it isn't offensive.


- in decades ago parents would have told off there children, the leaflet was trying to encourage a new way of dealing with it which wuld not mentally scar the children.

I get your point.

[ytch]

Is there still a link to the original leaflet,
I need to see it for myself...?

[runciter]

oh excellent, another supporter of the child sexualization agenda :)

thanks for coming out, majorlee, i'm honoured to inform you that you're in good company.

especially among powerful people, there are many that would happily see all children become "sexually active".

[lizzy]

This was a thread a while back too.

http://www.davidicke.com/forum/showthread.php?t=44296&highlight=german+child+sex+education

[lizzy]

oh excellent, another supporter of the child sexualization agenda :)

thanks for coming out, majorlee, i'm honoured to inform you that you're in good company.

especially among powerful people, there are many that would happily see all children become "sexually active".


a code word for them should be 'Spartans' runciter;)

[runciter]

a code word for them should be 'Spartans' runciter;)

i don't know if the spartans did such things to their children when they're so little :(

but it seems that they had a policy of forced homosexuality for boys, as soon as they reached puberty.

the source is luciferhorus, not to be taken as gospel i would say..

[ninny]

If they do it naturally there is no reason to hand out leaflets.


but there is a reason to tell that to parents before they say to their children, you come to hell doing this (in extreme cases).

there are lots of teenagers with strange thoughts about sexuality or bad/none sex education that results from parenting.

the worst cases we have is that little children under 10 doing things they only have seen in porns.
there were a big article in a german newspaper about that topic called "total porn!" (http://www.stern.de/politik/deutschland/:Sexuelle-Verwahrlosung-Voll-Porno!/581936.html).
in that you can read lots of horror news about what children see what they should not see in their age, what children do that is not naturally... results from parenting.
parents are the key to such behaviours.

so there is in fact a need for sex education. but if parents are dumb in a way, the children will surely become dumb too.
no clue about love, no clue about sex, no clue where babies come from, no clue about nothing, especially no clue about feelings.

[majorlee]

but there is a reason to tell that to parents before they say to their children, you come to hell doing this (in extreme cases).

there are lots of teenagers with strange thoughts about sexuality or bad/none sex education that results from parenting.

the worst cases we have is that little children under 10 doing things they only have seen in porns.
there were a big article in a german newspaper about that topic called "total porn!" (http://www.stern.de/politik/deutschland/:Sexuelle-Verwahrlosung-Voll-Porno!/581936.html).
in that you can read lots of horror news about what children see what they should not see in their age, what children do that is not naturally... results from parenting.
parents are the key to such behaviours.

so there is in fact a need for sex education. but if parents are dumb in a way, the children will surely become dumb too.
no clue about love, no clue about sex, no clue where babies come from, no clue about nothing, especially no clue about feelings.


good points Ninny

its hard for some people to break there social conditioning and have an objective view on these matters


i will share an experience that is quite personal but apparent after runciter's comment...

i was at a free party on NYE many years back now, we polished off a bottle of vodka in a back of a van with friends and was very cold so ended up sleeping in the van, one of my friends daughter was there too, she must have been around 10-12 cannot clearly remember. But what i did remember clearly was a warm and arrousing feeling around my crotch in the morning when waking up, i was enjoying this while pretending to be alseep as i woke up, didnt open my eyes for a few minutes thinking it was a friend of mine who was also in the van that night. BUT when i did look i was shocked to have his daughters foot massaging me very sensually inbetween my legs!!! I moved away subtley to avoid being touched quickly when releasing what was going on.

I was really scarred by this experience - i had enjoyed it until i had realized it had been a young girl, i really had a few problems with my estieme for many months after, thinking i could be a pedophile and other trains of thought (down to media crap at the time), i never told anyone until recently for fear of being branded a certain way and this made matters worse that i could not talk to anyone about it.

we really need to EDucate and inform our kids about all matters of life and let them know whats acceptable in public and in private, but do it in a way that is considerate to their feelings and mental being

Kids are sexually active from influence, environment, TV, songs etc etc, u learn more from friends than u do from parents, but we let childrens friends influence them more about these matters, from people who have no experience at all!!!!

A good parent should pick up the signs of there children being sexualy active and help them with advice and guidence in a positive way, then we may break this chain of sexual perversion in western society

[runciter]

ah yes, an "objective" view is what we need, because empathy is a great limitation :)

one wouldn't do the things mentioned in the publication, because of non-objective human feelings.

[runciter]

thankfully, there are many child-lovers that are studying this subject from an "objective" point of view.

without any hidden intention, of course: all specialists are innocent as doves :)

[phemohilia]

Wow....

And not "Wow" in a good way either.... Good Lord, I think when a Father touches a Daughter in "that" way, he no longer has a Daughter, but he does have a nice cozy cell of some kind. Somewhere that he can sit and think about why his balls are no longer a part of his body......

Bleh!!!

[strengthofknowledge]

Wow
Yes people see the world is SICK, but they dont see it ALL.
Everything that influences the majority and majorities daily lives is satanic and sick... we live in weird ways and we do weird things... time to put a stop to it if it isnt look late, which, it might be, which is why im waiting for my creator to return for me..

[octopusrex]

I want to talk about Sodom.

Anybody from Sodom around here?:D

[runciter]

Since I never read the book, I have no way to judge it. What I do know is that sex ed, here in Mexico, which is heavily Catholic and very "primitive" on such subjects is desperately needed and Germany was always pretty progressive about such subjects.

I love kids. Usually kids love me too, 'cept when I have to lay down the law.

I want to talk about Sodom.

Anybody from Sodom around here?:D

what do you do to children when you "lay down the law"?

[runciter]

This only time will tell. I have a strong suspicion that "time" in on "my" side of this argument.:D

are you sure?

[runciter]

what do you do to children, octo? what do you mean with "lay down the law"?

Feed them, clothe them, give them a good education. Make sure they are not easy prey for ANY predator. Teach them about the birds and the bees and their own bodies and how wonderful life can be when you are free from ... having to do what other people want you to do.

I also teach them to respect themselves, to be strong, to be assertive.

You know?

The basics.

Little boys I teach about the pleasures of little girls. Little girls I teach about the dangers of little boys.

Oh, lying down the law.. Well, mostly it has to do with.. Respect. Respecting others. I don't really allow lies, stealing.. hurting others. I draw the line at kicks on the groin and such. Ends up hurting the kid more if you don't ... lay down the law over those things. My opinion.

how do you "teach them about their own bodies"? how do you gain respect from them?

do you use that old trick?

[octopusrex]

what do you do to children when you "lay down the law"?

Whatever works. Turn off the t.v. Shout. I once got kicked pretty hard, and I had to put my niece on the floor, y'know? How do YOU discipline your kids?

[octopusrex]

how do you "teach them about their own bodies"? how do you gain respect from them?

do you use that old trick?

I never trick the kids. That's why I am respected. As for their own bodies? We talk about sex, dude.

[octopusrex]

are you sure?

So far so good.

Somebody predicted my death next year. That's okay too. We'll find out, won't we?

[runciter]

I never trick the kids. That's why I am respected. As for their own bodies? We talk about sex, dude.

we're talking about you having sex with children?

[octopusrex]

we're talking about you having sex with children?

That would be in bad taste. Besides, I believe in marriage.

What we are really talking about is witch-hunts, intolerance and paranoia when it concerns children's sexuality. Folks are morbid. Just speaking about certain topics "puts them off" into dark mind-space. Well, when "thoughts' can lead folks to want to kill somebody for a point of view, that's a special place that needs to be examined and such.

Consensual incest. Consensual pedophilia. Folks worried about their kids playing doctor with neighbor's kids. All that stuff needs to be re-visited in the light of what is true harm.

I give you an example in my own life: I fell in love with my own half-sister when she was around 12 years old. Pubescent preteens can come on pretty strong at times. She did and I turned her down. But it left strong feelings on both of us. She has not spoken to me since I confessed my feelings for her. She tells my dad that she feels abused by me but i actually never did anything to her. I only confessed my feelings.

Oftentimes, I wonder if I should have done something. Perhaps I made a mistake in not being a real abuser. Then the whole "love" issue would be mute because it would only be a case of a horny child rapist. Instead, I told her to wait until she was 18. The result? We have not seen or spoken to each other in what...? 12 years?

I suspect, if any part of the little girl I fell in love with remains in her heart, that one day she and I will sit down, drink some coffee and talk it trough. I went ahead, when I was called to her state to testify about god knows what... and tattooed her in my arm, to remind me of that love. She has not seen the tattoo. But I see it every day. Had I gone, I would have been more than likely arrested by her mom. In fact, by me posting this online, which I have done before, and sharing it with you, I make myself liable to my sister's complaint, and by confession, arrest, under most state's laws.

Yet, I don't think the cops will be coming down my throat any time soon. They probably get tired of me more likely. If they do.. Well,let just say I would not be at all worried. That's because in my heart I understand, finally, that I am innocent, guilty only of falling in love with a 12 year old in my own family and confessing that love to the whole world. What better reason to be crucified by the state than loving someone?

Smoking pot.. Maybe.

[runciter]

Consensual incest. Consensual pedophilia.


are you a practicing paedophile?

[ninny]

good points Ninny

its hard for some people to break there social conditioning and have an objective view on these matters


i will share an experience that is quite personal but apparent after runciter's comment...

i was at a free party on NYE many years back now, we polished off a bottle of vodka in a back of a van with friends and was very cold so ended up sleeping in the van, one of my friends daughter was there too, she must have been around 10-12 cannot clearly remember. But what i did remember clearly was a warm and arrousing feeling around my crotch in the morning when waking up, i was enjoying this while pretending to be alseep as i woke up, didnt open my eyes for a few minutes thinking it was a friend of mine who was also in the van that night. BUT when i did look i was shocked to have his daughters foot massaging me very sensually inbetween my legs!!! I moved away subtley to avoid being touched quickly when releasing what was going on.

I was really scarred by this experience - i had enjoyed it until i had realized it had been a young girl, i really had a few problems with my estieme for many months after, thinking i could be a pedophile and other trains of thought (down to media crap at the time), i never told anyone until recently for fear of being branded a certain way and this made matters worse that i could not talk to anyone about it.

we really need to EDucate and inform our kids about all matters of life and let them know whats acceptable in public and in private, but do it in a way that is considerate to their feelings and mental being

Kids are sexually active from influence, environment, TV, songs etc etc, u learn more from friends than u do from parents, but we let childrens friends influence them more about these matters, from people who have no experience at all!!!!

A good parent should pick up the signs of there children being sexualy active and help them with advice and guidence in a positive way, then we may break this chain of sexual perversion in western society

thx for posting. well your experience is quite strange. the problem is kids get in contact with the "hardcore stuff" too early. my mom told me alot about my birth and what was going on (pains, doctors, stories with my dad, all about how i came into this world, not only the sex thing). and i think she did right and always said to me, think about contraception and told me what possibilites i have and and and. also gave me a good book about where babies come from *lol* but the techniques of sex she told me of course NOT *lol* i read things about that in youth magazines and in discussions with friends *lol* being naked never was a problem. my mom sometimes went naked through the flat, my dad not. and of course i had also experiences in kindergarden with boys. some boys really were nasty lol. but no problem in any way. i think im normal.

as i was 10, 12 or so. i had a weird experience with an old man, was not my grand-grand-father but the second man from my grand-grand-ma. as i began to become a woman, he started to kiss me in a very slippery way. and i felt it was not right. i told my mom. my mom broke contact with both to save me. i was so happy. before that we visited them and they had neighbors. i used to play with the daughter of the couple. she was kinda disabled in mind, but not dumb. id loved to play with her and her barbies *lol* her father was alcoholic. i could see and smell it. on one day as i was there her father called me. she was very worried about me and told me not to go. but i did. i was sitting beside him, i cant remember, what he told me, but i remember his touchings. and i thought only. i want to get away i want to get away. the mother came in, saw us, went into the kitchen without a word. the daughter came and the father told her to go back in her room. but i shuffled out of the situation... told him that i MUST go back to his daughter.... and put his hands away. i told my mom. and my mom really is great and funny in a way. she dont wanted me to go to the neighbors. but me and the daughter were of course mad about. i never saw her again. hope she is fine.

so you see... there is always a difference between naturally / normal and not normal. adults should never touch children or little women thinking they want it naturally. that is dumb/silly/sick. children dont want that when adults start that. its NOT what children want.

2 years ago i met a "children-lover" in the internet. he never made a secret about his sneaking inclination. i started to investigate his mind and played undercover police *smile* i asked him a lot of questions. he started to show pictures of, i dont know what that was, hanging people on meat hooks (?). i first kicked him out of my chatroom that time. but he always came back and started to talk about that he loves violently sex and things. loves to beat his girlfriend and she likes that too. and i thought, wtf, ask him more.... ( i do not talk about SM !!, he said he likes violence, beating and things...) then the stories went weird. he started to talk about young lolitas about 15, 16. then the conversation went to 6 years old girls. he showed me (underground) fotos of little girls having sex with old men. if you ever, and i say ever, if you ever felt empathy for anything, you start to look closer in your own daily routine.

i dont know, that chat was the last chat with him. i saved all. chats, pictures from him, his name, his damned fotos, everything and went to the police. the police could not handle my case and drove me from building to building to find the right person who can handle my case. they took all my evidence to give it to berlin police (where he lived).

and i asked: is there a way to do it anonymous? he said: no, his lawyer can ask for your name and will get your name. i said: thank you for your support. but i felt, i did the right. if any girl on that photos were saved, than it was worth it to risk confrontation with this man. i had sleeples nights 2 weeks long, seeing "her" eyes on the foto. all her dreams, thoughts, her future... damaged forever.

meanwhile, i think, lots of children are suffering and nobody knows. real hardcore child-abuser are not human (as i define). they have no heart, they have no feelings, no mind. if sex or "bad touching" is made with only one agreement, than it is not right.

edit: of course i deleted all evidence from my computer. but i remember one question i asked him: "Did you ever thought about, if little girls want that?" He said: "No, in this age, they can not decide."

happy christmas.

[octopusrex]

are you a practicing paedophile?

No. However, that would not stop me from trying to defend one. You see, it's really not fair to judge a man until you have walked in his shoes a while.

[runciter]

would you admit it publicly, if you were a child molester?

[octopusrex]

would you admit it publicly, if you were a child molester?

If that served the greater good? Surely.

In fact, I can admit to this: the idea of a Thai or Hindu child-bride is very appealing to this 41 year old perv. :D

Keyword?

BRIDE.

[runciter]

If that served the greater good? Surely.

it sounds like a "no".

[octopusrex]

Surely sounds like no?

So you ARE full of shit.

Still tho... I guess I should be thanking you for the practice.

[runciter]

Feed them, clothe them, give them a good education. Make sure they are not easy prey for ANY predator. Teach them about the birds and the bees and their own bodies and how wonderful life can be when you are free from ... having to do what other people want you to do.

I also teach them to respect themselves, to be strong, to be assertive.

You know?

The basics.

Little boys I teach about the pleasures of little girls. Little girls I teach about the dangers of little boys.

Oh, lying down the law.. Well, mostly it has to do with.. Respect. Respecting others. I don't really allow lies, stealing.. hurting others. I draw the line at kicks on the groin and such. Ends up hurting the kid more if you don't ... lay down the law over those things. My opinion.

I never trick the kids. That's why I am respected. As for their own bodies? We talk about sex, dude.

how do you teach them about sex?

[octopusrex]

how do you teach them about sex?

By being upfront, honest and such. By talking the straight dope, you could say.

I showed the boy some pics, but his mom (sis) said no to that and that was the end of it. Not hard to find pics on the internet nowadays. And there is no better education about sex than the internet, I say.

If you are too afraid to talk about cocks and pussies to a four year old, you are making them perfectly vulnerable to attack by peers and strangers. Children are quite.. awake now a days.

BY THE WAY.. For all you other yahoos listening in to the wonderful conversation between myself and runciter: this is what I like to call "Pedo Drilling"... Cops do it. Feds do it. It's a kind of mindless, repetitive way of asking the same question a million times in order to get the subject pissed off enough to get a sliver of "truth". It's an interrogation technique, not unlike torture. It also has the odd quality of having folks admitting to shit they did not do from sheer persistance, so when I thank runciter for the drill, I mean it, because if I have ever to face the real inquisition, at least I had alittle practice before hand..

Cheers. The world is a horrible place, try to enjoy it.

[runciter]

where do you live, in mexico? in the north?

[runciter]

By being upfront, honest and such. By talking the straight dope, you could say.

I showed the boy some pics, but his mom (sis) said no to that and that was the end of it. Not hard to find pics on the internet nowadays. And there is no better education about sex than the internet, I say.

If you are too afraid to talk about cocks and pussies to a four year old, you are making them perfectly vulnerable to attack by peers and strangers. Children are quite.. awake now a days.

BY THE WAY.. For all you other yahoos listening in to the wonderful conversation between myself and runciter: this is what I like to call "Pedo Drilling"... Cops do it. Feds do it. It's a kind of mindless, repetitive way of asking the same question a million times in order to get the subject pissed off enough to get a sliver of "truth". It's an interrogation technique, not unlike torture. It also has the odd quality of having folks admitting to shit they did not do from sheer persistance, so when I thank runciter for the drill, I mean it, because if I have ever to face the real inquisition, at least I had alittle practice before hand..

Cheers. The world is a horrible place, try to enjoy it.

interesting post.

[siphon880di]

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[octopusrex]

where do you live, in mexico? in the north?

TO you I won't say. Thank for asking.

If I did answer you, though, I'd probably say Hollywood, to make you believe any other place, and then of course, make that the reality.

[runciter]

TO you I won't say. Thank for asking.

If I did answer you, though, I'd probably say Hollywood, to make you believe any other place, and then of course, make that the reality.

are you in contact with other like-minded people?

[lizzy]

are you in contact with other like-minded people?

he was the only one to vote 'unconditionally for the nwo ', run by 'like minded people'.....:eek:

[siphon880di]

He wants the nwo to conquer even though he has nothing to gain, and everything to lose. He must not believe we can fly.

[octopusrex]

Everybody comes around in good time.

[runciter]

Everybody comes around in good time.

but you have something to gain if zionist paedos get total control, right?

[romas]

I think it's a matter of education and actual understanding of the subject. Otherwise it's like asking Paris Hilton about Copenhagen interpretation of quantum mechanics.




Sexuality or a lack thereof, we imagine, constitutes a large part of the
difference between children and adults, a tenacious idea Sigmund Freud
shockingly debunked in Three Essays on the Theory of Sexuality in 1905.3
Anyone who has ever been a child knows that such lack is not the case. It
may be true that childhood sexuality does not respond in the same way to
the same kinds of stimuli as adult sexuality, but it is difficult for us to know,
since the only concepts and language we have about sexuality and desire refer
to the experiences of adults. If we really wanted to monitor children’s sexuality,
we might worry more about their contacts with other children and their
parents. But the question of children’s sexuality is actually beside the point,
since what actual children feel is irrelevant to the cultural fantasy that is the
child. What that fantasy suggests we worry about is not the destruction of
children’s innocence through sexual knowledge and feelings, but our forced
recognition that the site of innocence we believe to be the child will be
abruptly and prematurely eliminated, an effect that forces adults to see how
the imaginary Child operates in the management of their own desires.
This fantasy Child is the construction whose purity is preserved through
the sets of contradictory policies by which we police representations. For
example, the idea of the literal imitation of image content constitutes one
contradictory set of ideas. It is generally accepted that children learn through
imitation.4 They do what they see others doing. The mechanism of this imitation
is less well understood, as it is a complex, highly developed capability.
Children do not always imitate what they see, imitate actions exactly nor
indiscriminately, nor do they imitate everyone they are around. Often, they
invent their own performances. We do know for example, that children of a
certain age are likely to repeat swear words they hear. But in so doing are
they adding to their vocabularies or are they more attracted by the affect that
accompanies such expostulations? Does it matter who says the words? Why
do they repeat those words and not others? Is it the number of syllables?
“Fuck” might be a problem, but is “motherfucker” too long?
The notion that children indiscriminately imitate provides what appears to
be a rational justification for our limitation of media content. Certain materials–
adult nudity, swear words, graphic violence, the accidental revelation of
a nipple–are restricted to broadcast times when it is assumed all good children
are in bed. We demand that children should not see these things in the
media, even though children may see them often in their own lives (nipples
probably, but not specifically Janet Jackson’s nipple). What young people see
must be controlled because impressionable beings, such as pandas and human

children, will respond to such sudden and unwelcome knowledge by attempting
to do what they see. What, however, is the problem with their imitating?
Will imitations, as with pandas, suddenly thrust them into parenthood? Or
does the embarrassing occasion of their imitation sully the category of the
innocent Child, and reveal perhaps that children have never really been that
tabula rasa all along. When children begin to imitate what they see, which
they sometimes do, not because they have somehow gotten hold of contraband
images, but because they are children, their imitations both compromise
the fantasmatic category of the Child, and bring the lives and behaviors of
the parents into question. Since we cannot perceive children as having any
kind of perverse will of their own, the destruction of the fantasy of the Child
becomes quite openly the problem of the adult, not only in so far as the
system of projections and displacements of desire is disrupted, but also in a
more literal, family values, bad parenting sort of way.
The fears about childish imitation depend on another contradiction about
how we believe representations themselves work. The venerable institution
of the “young person,” whose fragile sensibilities have sustained campaigns
against the representation of everything from sex education to violent dismemberment
since the nineteenth century, depends upon the assumption
that representations are in themselves dangerously efficacious.5 This is not
merely a matter of a knowledge that might catalyze feelings which then may
suggest emulations. This is representation as a direct inoculation, as a kind
of instant transformation more akin to concepts of instinct than reason, more
like stimulus/response than subjective process, more like pandas than human
(or more like the odd notion that children are to pandas as pandas are to
adults). If pandas, who are after all, mere beasts, respond to sex videos by
having sex (though it seems to take a bit of repetition to get them to that
point), then human children who are purer and smarter than pandas will be
all that more suggestible.

[brainfreeze]

By being upfront, honest and such. By talking the straight dope, you could say.

I showed the boy some pics, but his mom (sis) said no to that and that was the end of it. Not hard to find pics on the internet nowadays. And there is no better education about sex than the internet, I say.

If you are too afraid to talk about cocks and pussies to a four year old, you are making them perfectly vulnerable to attack by peers and strangers. Children are quite.. awake now a days.

BY THE WAY.. For all you other yahoos listening in to the wonderful conversation between myself and runciter: this is what I like to call "Pedo Drilling"... Cops do it. Feds do it. It's a kind of mindless, repetitive way of asking the same question a million times in order to get the subject pissed off enough to get a sliver of "truth". It's an interrogation technique, not unlike torture. It also has the odd quality of having folks admitting to shit they did not do from sheer persistance, so when I thank runciter for the drill, I mean it, because if I have ever to face the real inquisition, at least I had alittle practice before hand..

Cheers. The world is a horrible place, try to enjoy it.

That's kinda what I tried saying on another thread, but apparently making children aware is teaching. I wonder if some people see the word teaching as grooming when it comes to sex and kids?

[runciter]

I think it's a matter of education and actual understanding of the subject. Otherwise it's like asking Paris Hilton about Copenhagen interpretation of quantum mechanics.

i think "child sexuality" is mostly made of the projections of confused adults.

freud was slightly sex-obsessed, and yes it's a matter of education (programming).

understanding? unfortunately, not many adults are able to truly empathize with children.

[romas]

While I don't nessecary agree with everything Freud said(I can't find parents "sexy" they are to simmilar genetically to me and thus a turn off(but we men do like motherly attitude towards us from other women ;) ), I think many of his essays are spot on and they are actually the inspiration for current mass media brainwashing techniques.

Oh and there is no confusion when it comes to sexuality imho. I mean you can keep lying to yourself, but what you feel is what you get.

[runciter]

While I don't nessecary agree with everything Freud said(I can't find parents "sexy" they are to simmilar genetically to me and thus a turn off(but we men do like motherly attitude towards us from other women ;) ), I think many of his essays are spot on and they are actually the inspiration for current mass media brainwashing techniques.


he had a brilliant mind, but some of his ideas are quite questionable imo.


Oh and there is no confusion when it comes to sexuality imho. I mean you can keep lying to yourself, but what you feel is what you get.


but you're talking about adults here, i think, and some people seem confused anyway.

[haukipesukone]

What?? I just read the first half of the article.

They have to be misrepresenting the facts somehow. That's... wow...

[octopusrex]

Surely you folks, who do not accept that children are sexual beings, don't wish to imply that children don't have genitals?

[raquel]

hey octopus rex your a fukin pervert or something?
yeah of course (DUH) children have genitalia. BUT it is THEIRS and they should be respected and not touched like that . that's gross. :mad:

[romas]

lmao

[solarwindspirit]

hmmm...
I love nature too. . .like africa's deserts are in retreat
and iraq gets snow
new zealander's get clouds with no names
But come on. . .pedaphilia
pedophilia /pe·do·phil·ia/ (-fil´e-ah) a paraphilia in which an adult has recurrent, intense sexual urges or sexually arousing fantasies of engaging or repeatedly engages in sexual activity with a prepubertal child.pedophil´ic
I hope the internet cops get the whole lot of you.

[octopusrex]

Who is going to police how parents clean their children's genitals? Especially at a very young age, when kids don't really know all about that shit.. (pun intended)

[runciter]

Who is going to police how parents clean their children's genitals? Especially at a very young age, when kids don't really know all about that shit.. (pun intended)

you're a funny guy octo, i only hope you don't do bad things.

[ozpixie]

I just found the story in a magazine and then checked it out. It's authentic. God help those children. This is like something out of Marquis de Sade's writings. Now we know why the rock spiders are able to elude the laws. Need to publicise this as far and wide as possible to try and stop it.

[adbasque]

I have been debating for the last few days whether to post this, but decided this is too important not to post!

Is this what our world is coming to now?? If so, I no longer want to be part of it!

http://www.lifesite.net/ldn/2007/jul/07073008.html

I have posted several posts regarding this, yes we are entering a phase where everything will be accepted not by force, but by pure stupidity of the human race.

These are the times if you dare to speak the truth you'll be eaten alive, not by the Elite themselves, but by sheep, yes yes generation.

Every god damn thing goes generation, no more moral values, they have completely twisted what the real values are.

real values became obsolete and all the shit is now acceptable, within the next 20 years maximum, paedophilia will be as accepted as many things that weren't 40 or 50 years ago.

Let's all sit back either enjoy the show, or moan about it.
by the time people realise what's really going on, it will be far too late to do anything about it.

We've seen the normalisation of many things in the last 50 years alone.
Yes our world is going down hill not because of the Elite, but of the gullible sheep who believe they are awake, they are living in a fantasy world, in super dimensions while their backsides are still in pile of shit.

I don't care anymore personally I have maybe 20 to 30 years to live if that, the only regret is I brought my children to this world.

that is my only regret.

[adbasque]

Oh boy... you should take my side in the 'spongebob is $#*@ed up' thread...

I've been hearing from certain posters that children should 'think for themselves' and decide what material to 'accept'...

As in - if you present your 3 year old with sex-ed material, it's their responsibility to handle it correctly :rolleyes:.

Or if you don't want your kids to be exposed to sex on tv, we should simply trust them to not be brainwashed by it... to 'think for themselves.'

All of this denies the fact that children should be completely innocent of weighing these topics and only an idiot would think they were capable of handling issues themself...

Well said my friend :)
Absolutely right, but becareful in few years time you won't be able to say that, you will be labelled (well perhaps already there)

[ozpixie]

It is well known that violations of this kind in very young children affects their ability to attach in adult life. This is why child sexual abuse victims frequently cannot form long term relationships and try to find happiness and fulfilment through multiple sexual encounters and loyalty to none. The question must then be asked if this is an effort to create a generation of adults who will exist on an emotionally solitary plane, trusting nobody but not actually understanding why. If you add drugged food and water, plus the damage done by multiple vaccines and ELF... bingo. They would be putty in the hand of the globalists because their psyches would be totally broken; and all their conditioning thereafter would be made easier.

[adbasque]

It is well known that violations of this kind in very young children affects their ability to attach in adult life. This is why child sexual abuse victims frequently cannot form long term relationships and try to find happiness and fulfilment through multiple sexual encounters and loyalty to none. The question must then be asked if this is an effort to create a generation of adults who will exist on an emotionally solitary plane, trusting nobody but not actually understanding why. If you add drugged food and water, plus the damage done by multiple vaccines and ELF... bingo. They would be putty in the hand of the globalists because their psyches would be totally broken; and all their conditioning thereafter would be made easier.

Spot on mate, but also it's our fault, we allow so many things to happen, whatever is been promoted we accept and some who try and raise the issue we will bite their heads off, label them and so on.. and then we suffer the consequences and that's just the beginning :rolleyes: