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luciferhorus
09-02-2010, 09:03 AM
It seems to me that the "god" of the Anglo-American Christian state terrorists who have recently been bombing, torturing, murdering and raping (it seems to be most Muslim men who have been sexually assualted in custody) their way through Afghanistan and Iraq is little different to the Christian god whose followers have been torturing and murdering their way through human history with their inquisitions, crusades and tyrant Capitalist kings and slavemasters.

There is of course a tendency for non Catholic Christians to blame this all on the Catholics, however even since the Reformation we still have a long history of non Catholic Christian slave-trading, imperialism, tyranny, narco-terrorism, state terrorism and today in the UK the head of our state is also the head of the Anglican Church whose photo appears prominently in all armed services recruiting offices and whose mercenaries fight not only for "country" and "Capitalist Revolution" but also for Jesus' representative on earth, Elizabeth Windsor.

It seems that this habit of justifying all manner of evil as "God's Will" continues.

LL

Lux

Christian Torture and Genocide 1: The Inquisition.

Text and images scourced from:

http://www.exposingchristianity.com/ (http://www.exposingchristianity.com/)

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The Inquisition



"The Christian resolve to find the world evil and ugly, has made the world evil and ugly."
- Friedrich Nietzsche


Today, the xtian church does not have the power it once had, yet, we have witnessed the xtian abuses of children, child rape, molestation and other vile acts that reveal the true nature of many xtians and the effects their "god" has upon his followers. The pedophilia scandals are just a small sample of what xtians are capable of.

Years ago, when the xtian church had complete control over government, human life and spirit, we can see from the inquisition, just how sick these people are and just what lengths they will go to get you to accept "jesus." Just as is seen in the numerous xtian abuses of children today, years ago, with the inquisition, girls as young as nine and boys as young as ten were tried for witchcraft. Children much younger were tortured to extract testimony against their parents.¹ Children were then flogged while they watched their parents burn.

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A documented case in the Silesian town of Neisse reveals a huge oven was constructed, which over a ten year period, more than a thousand "condemned witches, some as young as two years old" were roasted alive.² Many victims were also extremely old, some in their 80's. This made no difference to the church.

The xtian church murdered, tortured, mutilated and destroyed millions and millions of lives both directly through the Inquisition and indirectly through all of the wars they incited. The damage and destruction this foul religion has perpetrated against humanity is almost beyond comprehension. Most people aren't even aware of the facts. Between the years of 1450-1600, the xtian church was responsible for the torture, and burning of some 30,000 alleged "witches."³



During the reign of the Roman Emporer Constantine CE 306-337 the doctrines of the xtian church were regarded as the foundation of law.4 Heretics (persons who opposed church teachings) were sought out, tortured and eventually murdered. Heresy was an offense against the state as well as the church. For hundreds of years, civil rulers tried to stamp out all heresy.

As early as CE 430, the church leaders declared heresy punishable by death. In CE 906, "The Canon Episcopi" was the first church body to expressly forbid the use of witchcraft.5 Before the Inquisition was fully underway, the church accepted heretics back into the fold, under terms it considered reasonable. The following is an example:

For three Sundays, the heretic was stripped to the waist and whipped from the entrance of the town/village all the way to the church door. He/she was to permanently deny him/herself meat, eggs and cheese except on Easter, pentecost and xmas, when he/she is to eat of them as a sign of his/her penance. For twenty days, twice a year he/she was to avoid fish and for 3 days in each week fish, wine and oil, fasting, if his/her health would permit.

He/she was to wear monastic vestments with a small cross sewn on each breast. He/she was to hear mass daily. Seven times a day, he/she was to recite the canonical hours and in addition, at Paternoster ten times each day and twenty times each night.
He/she was to observe total abstinence from sex. Every month he/she was to report to a priest who was to keep the heretic under close observation. He/she was to be segregated from the rest of the community.6

There is no precise date for the beginning of the Inquisition, most sources agree it manifested during the first 6 years of the reign of the catholic pope, Gregory IX, between 1227 and 1233. Pope Gregory IX who ruled from 1227-1241 is often referred to as the "Father of the Inquisition."

The Inquisition was a campaign of torture, mutilation, mass murder and destruction of human life perpetrated by xtians. The church increased in power until it had total control over human life, both secular and religious.
The Vatican wasn't satisfied with the progress made by regional leaders in rooting out heresy. Pope Innocent III commissioned his own inquisitors who answered directly to him. Their authority was made official in the papal bull of March 25th, 1199.7Innocent declared "anyone who attempted to construe a personal view of god which conflicted with the church dogma must be burned without pity."8


In 1254, to ease the job of the inquisitors, Pope Innocent IV decreed that accusers could remain anonymous, preventing the victims from confronting them and defending themselves. Many churches had a chest where informants could slip written accusations against their neighbors. Three years later, he authorized and officially condoned torture as a method of extracting confessions of heresy. 9

Victims were tortured in one room,

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then, if they confessed, they were led away from the chamber into another room to confess to the inquisitors.

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This way it could be claimed the confessions were given without the use of force. The Inquisitional law replaced common law. Instead of innocent until proven guilty, it was guilty until proven innocent.

Inquisitors grew very rich, accepting bribes and fines from the wealthy who paid to avoid being prosecuted. The wealthy were prime targets for the church who confiscated their property, land and everything they had for generations. The Inquisition took over all of the victims' possessions upon accusation. There was very little if any chance of proving one's self innocent, so this is one way the catholic church grew very wealthy. Pope Innocent stated that since "god" punished children for the sins of their parents, they had no right to be legal heirs to the property of their parents. Unless children came forth freely to denounce their parents, they were left penniless. Inquisitors even accused the dead of heresy, in some cases, as much as seventy years after their death. They exhumed and burned the accused's bones and confiscated all property from their heirs, leaving them with nothing. 10

The actions of the inquisitors had devestating effects on the economy that left entire communities totally impoverished while the church glutted with wealth. They also crippled the economy by holding certain professions suspect. Inquisitors believed the printed word to be a threat to the church and interfered with the communication brought about by the invention of the printing press in the 15th century. Maps, cartographers, traveling merchants and traders were all placed under intense suspicion; a threat to the church.

Although the church had begun murdering people it deemed heretics in the 4th century and again in 1022 at Orléan, papal statutes of 1231 insisted heretics suffer death by fire. Burning people to death prevented spilling of blood. John 15:6 "If a man abide not in me, he is cast forth as a branch, and is withered; and men gather them, and cast them into the fire, and they are burned."
The nazarene quote incited all of this.

The pedophilia witnessed today is just a small example of the insanity and the twisted, warped minds of most xians and where any power that they obtain leads to.

The Witch hunts, 1450-1750 were what R H Robbins (The Encyclopedia of Witchcraft and Demonology) called "the shocking nightmare, the foulest crime and deepest shame of western civilization." In this 300 year period, the church stepped up the mass murder and systematic torture of innocent human beings. Torturers were allowed as much time as they needed to torture their victims. Most courts demanded that prior to the torture, the victim be thoroughly shaved, claiming that any Demon left undetected in the victim's body hair might intervene to deaden the pain that the torturers inflicted or answer for the victim.11

Doctors would be in attendance if it seemed the victim might die from the torture. The victim would then be allowed to recover a little before more torture was applied. If the victim died during the torture, inquisitors claimed the Devil intervened with the purpose of sparing the victim further pain or preventing them from revealing his secrets.12 Those who fainted had vinegar poured into their nostrils to revive them. The victim's families were required under law to reimburse the courts for the costs of torture. Entire estates were seized by the church. Priests blessed the torture instruments prior to their being used. Certain devices were employed to inflict the maximum pain; indisputable evidence of the sick xtian mind:

Judas Cradle and Anal Torture

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The victim was pulled up by a rope or chain and then lowered to the point. The torturer controlled the pressure by attaching weights to the victim or rocking or raising and dropping the victim from various heights.

luciferhorus
09-02-2010, 09:04 AM
Brodequin (The Boots)

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The brodequin was used to crush the legs by tightening the device by hand, or using a mallet for knocking in the wedges to smash the bones until the bone marrow spurted out. People who passed out were further condemned as the losing of consciousness to be a trick from the Devil in order to escape pain.

Burning the feet.

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Oil, lard and grease were applied to the feet before roasting them over a fire. A screen was used to control or increase the pain as exposure to the fire was applied on and off for maximum suffering. Also, as a variation, some victims were forced to wear large leather or metal boots into which boiling water or molten lead was poured.



Hanging and the Strappado

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The victim's hands were bound behind the back. They were then yanked up to the ceiling of the torture chamber by a pulley and a rope. Dislocation ensued. Xtians preferred this method, as it left no visible marks of torture. Heavy weights were often strapped to the victim to increase the pain and suffering.

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Squassation was a more extreme form of the torture. This method entailed strapping weights as much as hundreds of pounds, pulling limbs from their sockets. Following this, the xtian inquisitor would quickly release the rope so they would fall towards the floor.


At the last second, the xtian inquisitioner would again yank the rope. This dislocated virtually every bone in the victim's body. Four applications were considered enough to kill even the strongest of victims.

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Many were hung upsidedown as well until strangulation ensued.

Heretic's Fork

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This device was often used to silence the victim on the way to the burning stake, so they could not reveal what had occurred in the torture chamber or defend themselves in any way.

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Ripping the flesh

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Xtian clergy delighted in the tearing and ripping of the flesh. The Catholic church learned a human being could live until the skin was peeled down to the waist when skinned alive. Often, the rippers were heated to red hot and used on women's breasts and in the genitalia of both sexes.

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luciferhorus
09-02-2010, 09:05 AM
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The Iron Torture Chair.

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Studded with spikes, the victim was strapped in nude and a fire was lit beneath the chair. Heavy objects were also be used. They were placed upon the victim to increase the pain of the spikes. Blows with mallets were also inflicted. Often, other torturous devices were applied with the chair such as the flesh ripping pincers, shown above and leg crushing vices.


Skull Crusher

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This one speaks for itself. Xtian clergy preferred this device because it did not leave visible marks, unless the skull was completely crushed, which happened.


The Rack

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The Rack, aka the Ladder was another device that was used extensively. The procedure was to place the nude or near nude victim horizontally on the ladder or rack. Ropes were used to bind the arms and legs like a tourniquet. The knot could be steadily twisted to draw tight the ropes and stretch the victim to where the muscles and ligaments tore and bones broke. Often, heavy objects were placed upon the victim to increase the pain. This was considered by the church to be "one of the milder forms of torture."

The Wheel

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The nude victim, was stretched out, lying face downward on the ground or on the execution dock, with his or her arms and legs spread, and tied to stakes or iron rings. Wooden crosspieces were placed under the wrists, elbows, ankles, knees and hips. The inquisitor then smashed limb after limb and joint after joint, including the shoulders and hips, with the iron-tyred edge of the wheel, taking care not to bring about the death of the victim. There were splinters of smashed bones, blood spurted everywhere and the victim's entire skeleton was crushed and smashed. Thereafter the shattered limbs were “braided” into the spokes of the large wheel. The wheel has to be one of the most gruesome of all torture devices. The idea is, that the victims' limbs are shattered and entwined around the spokes of the wheel, attaching them to it.

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The Thumbscrew

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The thumbscrew was a device where the victim's thumbs were placed and systematically crushed. Similar devices were used on the toes. Thumbscrews were often applied at the same time as the strappado and other torture devices to inflict more pain.



The Water Torture

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The victim was stripped and bound to a bench or table and a funnel was inserted and pressed down into his throat. Water was poured into the funnel in jug fulls with his/her nose being pinched, forcing him/her to swallow. After this was repeated enough times to where the victim's stomach was almost to burst, the bench or table was then tilted, with the victim's head pointing to the floor. The water in the stomach put painful pressure on the victim's lungs and heart. There was not only the incredible pain with this, but also, the feeling of suffocation. Inquisitors would also beat upon the stomach with mallets to the point of internal rupture.
In another variation, the victim was forced to swallow large quantities of water together with lengths of knotted cord. The cords were then violently yanked from the victim's mouth resulting in disemboweling.

The Iron Maiden aka the "virgin mary"

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Covering the front side of this device was a statue of the virgin bitch, inside were spikes, sharp knives or nails. Levers would move the arms of the statue, crushing the victim against the knives and nails.

Other devices and methods:


Forced feeding of overly salted foods that resulted in extreme thirst, then, the denial of water.

Immersion in scalding water laced with Lime.

Yanking back and forth by 2 or more inquisitors with ropes attached to a spiked iron collar. This tore the flesh on the victim's neck. Variations used screws that could be tightened.

The prayer stool. A spike board on which the victim was forced to kneel.

Stocks which were fitted with iron spikes

Slowly roasting victims over fire.

"Walking a Witch" entailed forcing a victim to walk back and forth for days on end until completely exhausted. A variation of this was having the victim sit cross legged upon a wooden stool, being deprived of movement or sleep. Some victims were as much as 80 years old.


"Thrawing." Similar to the spiked iron collar, only a rope was tied tightly around the head and the victim was yanked back and forth.


"Turkas." These were a variation of pincers used to pull out fingernails.


Many were thrown in filthy dungeons with no light or human contact, in addition, often being chained or confined in the stocks.


"Scoring above the Breath" the ancient belief that bleeding a witch above the mouth and nose would break a spell incited inquisitors to tear flesh, stick with needles and other instruments upon the victim's face.
Galileo Galilei,the famous Italian astronomer and physicist was one of the most noted victims of the inquisition. A letter in which he attempted to demonstrate the Copernican theory, that the Earth is not the center of the universe, was forwarded by some of his enemies (xtians) to the inquisitors in Rome. He was tried in 1633 and found guilty of heresy. He was forced to recant (publicly withdraw his statement) and was sentenced to life imprisonment under house arrest.

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In 1979, Pope John Paul II declared that the Roman Catholic Church "may have been mistaken in condemning him," and he established a commission to study the case.13
In 1993, the Catholic Church "officially" pardoned Galileo. In other words, they forgave him for teaching that the planets revolve around the Sun, not the Earth. (See the above link).


Loss of human life:


Salzburg, Austria, 1677-1681 over 100 murdered


Basque region of the Pyrenees; 1608, Lawyer Pierre de Lancre was sent to the region to "root out and destroy those who worshipped Pagan Gods." Over 600 tortured and murdered.


Witch judge Henri Boguet c. 1550-1619 sent some 600 victims to their deaths in Burgundy, many of them young children who were systematically tortured and then burned alive.


A pregnant woman was burned alive and from the trauma, she gave birth before she died. The baby was tossed back into the flames.


Swedish town of Mora, 1669, more than 300 murdered. Among them, 15 children. 36 children between the ages of 9 and 15 were made to run the gauntlet and were beaten with rods upon their hands once a week for an entire year. Twenty of the youngest children, all under the age of 9 were whipped on their hands at the church door for 3 sundays in succession. Many more were severaly beaten for witchcraft offenses.


In Scotland, under the rule of Oliver Cromwell, a total of 120 in a single month were murdered in 1661. Estimates of the total dead have been as high as 17,000 between 1563 and 1603.


In Würzburg, Germany, the Chancellor wrote a graphic account in the year of 1629:
"...there are three hundred children of three or four years, who are said to have had intercourse with the Devil. I have seen children of seven put to death, and brave little scholars of ten, twelve, fourteen and fifteen years of age..."
Between the years of 1623 and 1633, some 900 "witches" were put to death throughout Würzburg. This was largely maintained by the Jesuits.


The Chronicler of Treves reported in 1586 that the entire female population of two villages was wiped out by inquisitors. Only two women were left alive.


Noted cases included the Knights Templar, Joan of Arc who was chained by the neck, hands and feet and locked in a cramped iron cage, Galileo, who stated that the Earth revolved around the Sun and was not the center of the universe as the church taught(See above).
The above accounts were taken from Cassel Dictionary of Witchcraft by David Pickering.


On Sunday, March 12th, 2002, the Pope John Paul II apologized for the "errors of his church for the last 2000 years."


And then of course...the numerous wars and crusades. the xian slave trade, etc.

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REFERENCES:

¹The Dark Side of Christian History by Helen Ellerbe, page 124
²Cassel Dictionary of Witchcraft by David Pickering, article on "Germany", page 108
³Cassel Dictionary of Witchcraft by David Pickering, article on "Inquisition", page 146
4 World Book Encyclopedia article on "Inquisition." ©1989
5 Wizards and Sorcerers by Tom Ogden, article on "Inqusition."
6 The Dark Side of Christian History by Helen Ellerbe, page 77
7Wizards and Sorcerers by Tom Ogden, article on "Inquisition."
8The Dark Side of Christian History by Helen Ellerbe, page 77
9Wizards and Sorcerers by Tom Ogden
10The Dark Side of Christian History by Helen Ellerbe, page 80
11Cassel Dictionary of Witchcraft by David Pickering article on "Torture."
12Cassel Dictionary of Witchcraft by David Pickering, article on "torture."
13World Book Encyclopedia article on "Galileo." ©1989

luciferhorus
09-02-2010, 09:05 AM
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George Carlin on Religion.


http://video.google.co.uk/videosearch?hl=en&rls=ig&um=1&q=evil%20bible&ndsp=18&ie=UTF-8&sa=N&tab=wv#q=+george+carlin&hl=en&emb=0

luciferhorus
11-03-2012, 12:35 AM
Thought I'd revive this one also.

welling
11-03-2012, 12:43 AM
Wrong forum Shirley?:confused:

lightgiver
11-03-2012, 12:51 AM
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It seems to me that the "god" of the Anglo-American Christian state terrorists who have recently been bombing, torturing, murdering and raping (it seems to be most Muslim men who have been sexually assualted in custody)

Jesuits you mean...The very ones who invented Islam...

When Cardinal Bea shared this information with us in the Vatican, he said:

“These writings are guarded because they contain information that links the Vatican to the creation of Islam.”


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Taken from LiveLeak.com - Muslim Peodophile gangs turning British children into serial rape victims.

Figures shows there have been 18 Muslim sex gang prosecutions since 1997 - 15 in the last three years - involving girls aged 11-16.

Last year a middle-class, privately-educated schoolgirl - also from Rochdale - was rescued after being forced to act as a sex slave to a gang of Muslim men.

The troubled 14-year-old was targeted with vodka and cigarettes after being spotted by the gang wandering the streets.

She was made to have sex with a string of men before being pimped out as a white under age prostitute in Manchester city centre..

http://youtu.be/qmOv75QKjxc

This documentary documents the life of Father Brendan Smyth - one of the most evil members of a paedophile ring operated by the Irish catholic church. This satanic group of Irish catholic priests raped and molested young children on an industrial scale - with tens of thousands of victims and hundreds of catholic priests involved.

The documentary -produced by Northern Ireland television channel UTV - shows the life and crimes of Brendan Smyth. This monster believed he had a God given right to rape young catholic children - and showed no remorse when his crimes were exposed to the outside world. The catholic church in Ireland spent decades facilitating this paedophile ring and paid millions of pounds to keep victims silent and relocate priests to other countries and parishes so they could continue molesting and abusing young children.

This sex abuse scandal was not simply contained to the Irish catholic church, with pedophile priests abusing children in America, the UK, Europe and throughout Africa

Wrong forum Shirley?:confused:

Maybe lucy is on the wrong Planet


Sadomasochism broadly refers to the receiving of pleasure—often sexual—from acts involving the infliction or reception of pain or humiliation. The name originates from two authors on the subject, Marquis de Sade and Leopold von Sacher-Masoch. A subset of BDSM, practitioners of sadomasochism usually seek out sexual gratification from these acts, but often seek out other forms of pleasure as well. While the terms sadist and masochist specifically refer to one who either enjoys giving pain (sadist), or one who enjoys receiving pain (masochist), many practitioners of sadomasochism describe themselves as at least somewhat of a switch, or someone who can receive pleasure from either inflicting or receiving pain.

http://youtu.be/QvlBQTf9MQw

Thought I'd revive this one also.

What with Mouth to Mouth ..first you will have to locate the persons head.

Muhammad Saad al-Beshi beheads up to seven people a day. "It doesn't matter to me: Two, four, 10 - as long as I'm doing God's will, it doesn't matter how many people I execute," says Saudi Arabia's leading executioner. Al-Beshi began his career at a prison in Taif, where his job was to handcuff and blindfold the prisoners before their execution. "Because of this background, I developed a desire to be an executioner," he says. When a position became vacant, he applied and was accepted immediately.

http://globalfire.tv/nj/03en/race/islamic_laws.htm

luciferhorus
12-03-2012, 08:32 PM
Jesuits you mean...The very ones who invented Islam...


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The Jesuits were a Catholic order which were not formed until the 16th century ADE. and Islam derives from the 7th century ADE. Perhaps the Jesuits had a time machine located on the Moon and went back in time to found Islam?

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Very bright of you. I can see that you are up to almost 23,000 posts now.

Perhaps the reason you spam so many articles from Holocaust Denialism to the most bizaree conspiracy theories which you have lifted off the Internet, is because when you do actually speak, your imbecility is revealed.

So now it is not the "evil Jews" conspracy but the Jesuit conspiracy.



Maybe lucy is on the wrong Planet



No I am down here on planet earth; this is my home; I have no idea which planet your think you on, or even which century.


What with Mouth to Mouth ..first you will have to locate the persons head.

I am sure that you have a "head" but it seems a bit empty to me. Just because you are totally confused yourself, you seem to want to infect everyone else with the same confusion. Confusion seems to be an evangelical hobby for you.

Foolishness is an infectious mind virus; if the fool can convince others to be just as foolish, he does not feel so alone.

Go sit in the corner for a while. Write out 100 times. "I must not spam."

Not that I expect you to take wise council. I fully expect you to continue to make a fool of yourself.

I would say that you are a very, very naughty boy, but that would be to diminish what I really think of you. Holocaust Deniars like yourself are no different to the Christian vermin; you are in denial of the facts of over a decade of European history, and the Christians are in denial of the evil of the tyranny and genocide of centuries of Christian dictatorship and the consequences of what occurs when their system of law and government becomes reality.

Lux

lightgiver
12-03-2012, 08:38 PM
What I’m going to tell you is what I learned in secret briefings in the Vatican when I was a Jesuit priest, under oath and induction.


A Jesuit cardinal named Augustine Bea showed us how desperately the Roman Catholics wanted Jerusalem at the end of the third century. Because of its religious history and its strategic location, the Holy City was considered a priceless treasure. A scheme had to be developed to make Jerusalem a Roman Catholic city. The great untapped source of manpower that could do this job was the children of Ishmael. The poor Arabs fell victim to one of the most clever plans ever devised by the Powers of Darkness.

In the Vatican briefing, Cardinal Bea told us this story:

A wealthy Arabian lady who was a faithful follower of the pope played a tremendous part in this drama. She was a widow named Khadijah. She gave her wealth to the church and retired to a convent, but was given an assignment.

She was to find a brilliant young man who could be used by the Vatican to create a new religion and become the messiah for the children of Ishmael.

Khadijah had a cousin named Waraquah, who was also a very faithful Roman Catholic, and the Vatican placed him in a critical role as Muhammad’s advisor. He had tremendous influence on Muhammad.

Teachers were sent to young Muhammad and he had intensive training. Muhammad studied the works of St. Augustine, which prepared him for his “great calling”. The Vatican had Catholic Arabs across North Africa spread the story of a great one who was about to rise up among the people and be the chosen one of their God.

Muhammad (c. 26 April 570 – 8 June 632; Mohammad, Mohammed, or Muhammed; Arabic: محمد‎) (full name: Muhammad Ibn `Abd Allāh Ibn `Abd al-Muttalib Arabic: محمد بن عبدالله بن عبد المطلب ‎) was the founder of the religion of Islam...




The Jesuits were a Catholic order which were not formed until the 16th century ADE. and Islam derives from the 7th century ADE. Perhaps the Jesuits had a time machine located on the Moon and went back in time to found Islam?

Lux

Augustine of Hippo Latin: Aurelius Augustinus Hipponensis; November 13, 354 – August 28, 430), also known as Augustine, St. Augustine, St. Austin, St. Augoustinos, Blessed Augustine, or St. Augustine the Blessed, was Bishop of Hippo Regius (present-day Annaba, Algeria). He was a Latin philosopher and theologian from Roman Africa. His writings were very influential in the development of Western Christianity.

Jesuit Communications - St Augustine of Hippo::http://www.jescom.co.zw/index.php?option=com_content&task=view&id=226&Itemid=79




While Muhammad was being prepared, he was told that his enemies were the Jews and that the only true Christians were Roman Catholic. He was taught that others calling themselves Christians were actually wicked impostors and should be destroyed. Many Muslims believe this.

Muhammad began receiving “divine revelations” and his wife’s Catholic cousin Waraquah helped interpret them. From this came the Koran. In the fifth year of Muhammad’s mission, persecution came against his followers because they refused to worship the idols in the Kaaba.

Muhammad instructed some of them to flee to Abysinnia, where Negus, the Roman Catholic king, accepted them because Muhammad’s views on the virgin Mary were so close to Roman Catholic doctrine. These Muslims received protection from Catholic kings because of Muhammad’s revelations.

Muhammad later conquered Mecca and the Kaaba was cleared of idols.

History proves that before Islam came into existence, the Sabeans in Arabia worshiped the moon-god who was married to the sun-god. They gave birth to three goddesses, who were worshipped throughout the Arab world as “Daughters of Allah”. An idol excavated at Hazor in Palestine in the 1950s shows Allah sitting on a throne with the crescent moon on his chest.

Muhammad claimed he had a vision from Allah and was told:

“You are the messenger of Allah.”

This began his career as a prophet and he received many messages. By the time Muhammad died, the religion of Islam was exploding. The nomadic Arab tribes were joining forces in the name of Allah and his prophet, Muhammad.

Some of Muhammad’s writings were placed in the Koran, others were never published. They are now in the hands of high ranking holy men (Ayatollahs) in the Islamic faith.

When Cardinal Bea shared this information with us in the Vatican, he said:

“These writings are guarded because they contain information that links the Vatican to the creation of Islam.”

http://youtu.be/HKzXzCCVC1I

The standard histories of Muhammad and the early development of Islam are based on Islamic literature that dates to the ninth and tenth centuries--some two centuries or more after the death of Muhammad in 632. Islamic literary sources do not exist for the seventh and eighth centuries, when, according to tradition, Muhammad and his immediate followers lived. All that is preserved from this time period are a few commemorative building inscriptions and assorted coins.

Based on the premise that reliable history can only be written on the basis of sources that are contemporary with the events described, the contributors to this in-depth investigation present research that reveals the obscure origins of Islam in a completely new light. As the authors meticulously show, the name "Muhammad" first appears on coins in Syria bearing Christian iconography. In this context the name is used as an honorific meaning "revered" or "praiseworthy" and can only refer to Jesus Christ, as Christianity was the predominant religion of the area at this time. This same reference exists in the building inscription of the Dome of the Rock in Jerusalem, built by the caliph `Abd al-Malik.

The implication of these and other findings here presented is that the early Arab rulers adhered to a sect of Christianity. Indeed, evidence from the Koran, finalized at a much later time, shows that its central theological tenets were influenced by a pre-Nicean, Syrian Christianity. Linguistic analysis also indicates that Aramaic, the common language throughout the Near East for many centuries and the language of Syrian Christianity, significantly influenced the Arabic script and vocabulary used in the Koran. Finally, it was not until the end of the eighth and ninth centuries that Islam formed as a separate religion, and the Koran underwent a period of historical development of at least 200 years.

Ancient Forms of Pre-Islamic Pagan Worship ...

http://forum.davidicke.com/showthread.php?t=95638

The serpent tells the woman that she will not die if she eats the fruit of the tree: "For God doth know that in the day ye eat thereof, then your eyes shall be opened, and ye shall be as gods, knowing good and bad."


It will never happen; human beings are naturally bisexual, just like most Muslim men; they just can't talk about if for fear of being stoned to death.



Lux

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Atheists should support Israel against nations which promote Sharia Law

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The GLBT (Gay, Lesbian, Bisexual and Transseual) community should support Israel.

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Those who wish to stop the spread of militant Islam should support Israel


Augustine of Hippo - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

Muhammad - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

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lightgiver
13-03-2012, 05:18 AM
I think you have me confused with someone else...rodin maybe...amongst others.




So now it is not the "evil Jews" conspracy but the Jesuit conspiracy.

I would say that you are a very, very naughty boy, but that would be to diminish what I really think of you. Holocaust Deniars like yourself are no different to the Christian vermin; you are in denial of the facts of over a decade of European history, and the Christians are in denial of the evil of the tyranny and genocide of centuries of Christian dictatorship and the consequences of what occurs when their system of law and government becomes reality.

Lux

Nazi Concentration Camps ...http://forum.davidicke.com/showthread.php?t=191985

Neo-Nazi Groups...http://forum.davidicke.com/showthread.php?t=193551



Perhaps the reason you spam so many articles from Holocaust Denialism to the most bizaree conspiracy theories which you have lifted off the Internet, is because when you do actually speak, your imbecility is revealed.

Lux



http://1.bp.blogspot.com/-6c-TGyfmECA/Tqq6e4yyM3I/AAAAAAAAAKQ/ahcds52gOuQ/s1600/dunce_cap.jpg

Very bright of you.

http://img525.imageshack.us/img525/227/inglouriousbasterdsteas.jpg (http://imageshack.us/photo/my-images/525/inglouriousbasterdsteas.jpg/)



Now Go sit in the corner for a while. Write out 1000 times. "I must not spam."

LG

luciferhorus
31-03-2012, 12:29 AM
Now Go sit in the corner for a while. Write out 1000 times. "I must not spam."

23,500 posts lightgiver?

You and I have to have a serious chat in PM

Words are weapons.

You will hate me.

It is OK; I am used to that.

lightgiver
31-03-2012, 12:33 AM
23,500 posts lightgiver?

You and I have to have a serious chat in PM

Words are weapons.

You will hate me.

It is OK; I am used to that.

http://img39.imageshack.us/img39/4955/michaelcainephoneblacka.jpg (http://imageshack.us/photo/my-images/39/michaelcainephoneblacka.jpg/)

http://forum.davidicke.com/showthread.php?t=74324&page=11

knightstemplar
31-03-2012, 02:55 PM
What is your purpose with these posts? Personally, I feel this is common knowledge to the truth seeker and you are just spreading the same darkness by opening old doors that have been clearly closed for many years now.

We as a humanity need to learn, love, forget and move on if we are ever to unite as one peoples and not let this happen again. Your posts are continuing this division and just FYI, that is NOT lux...

FIAT LUX!

luciferhorus
31-03-2012, 06:14 PM
What is your purpose with these posts? Personally, I feel this is common knowledge to the truth seeker and you are just spreading the same darkness by opening old doors that have been clearly closed for many years now.

We as a humanity need to learn, love, forget and move on if we are ever to unite as one peoples and not let this happen again. Your posts are continuing this division and just FYI, that is NOT lux...

FIAT LUX!

Unfortunately the multi-billion dollar Jesus business is still a major world religion and millions of people are still hypnotised by this curse. The study of the history of Christianity is hardly "spreading darkness;" though it certainly is a history of human evil.

To learn from history and to "move on" is most certainly not the objective of the Christians; they wish to return to a far more barbaric and primitive age with primitive laws and the tyranny of state religion.

Lux

knightstemplar
01-04-2012, 02:50 PM
Unfortunately the multi-billion dollar Jesus business is still a major world religion and millions of people are still hypnotised by this curse. The study of the history of Christianity is hardly "spreading darkness;" though it certainly is a history of human evil.

To learn from history and to "move on" is most certainly not the objective of the Christians; they wish to return to a far more barbaric and primitive age with primitive laws and the tyranny of state religion.

Lux

I understand your contempt for Christianity, but do you realize that without the good we have done, you and I simply would not be having this conversation because you would be ruled by another leader or ruler who would simply not allow free speech or even the internet for its citizens.

Hence, you are preaching against a religion and peoples who give you the rite and freedom to do so? You cannot see the irony here or anyone else for that matter?

luciferhorus
02-04-2012, 06:50 PM
I understand your contempt for Christianity, but do you realize that without the good we have done, you and I simply would not be having this conversation because you would be ruled by another leader or ruler who would simply not allow free speech or even the internet for its citizens.

Hence, you are preaching against a religion and peoples who give you the rite and freedom to do so? You cannot see the irony here or anyone else for that matter?

Absolute nonsense; under the Christian governments which ruled Europe for centuries there was no such a thing as free speech; competing religious and non religious / anti-religious philosophies were simply illegal and punishable often by torture and execution.

The reason we have free speech is because of Enlightenment philosophies and the attack on monarchy and theocracy (the political philosophy of the Bible); the rise of governments where there are elected republics, the abandonment of religious laws, etc.

If your precious Bible laws were reinstated, not only would there not be freedom of speech nor political freedom, there would little freedom of behaviour also; of course religious bigots like yourself would have the freedom to slaughter heretics, blasphemers, Jews, homosexuals, Communists, atheists etc.

You Christians are worse than the fucking Nazis.

Lux

bikerdruid
02-04-2012, 07:01 PM
I understand your contempt for Christianity, but do you realize that without the good we have done, you and I simply would not be having this conversation because you would be ruled by another leader or ruler who would simply not allow free speech or even the internet for its citizens.

Hence, you are preaching against a religion and peoples who give you the rite and freedom to do so? You cannot see the irony here or anyone else for that matter?

......is your avatar a picture of you?....if so, you are verrrrrry hot.;)

luciferhorus
02-04-2012, 07:18 PM
......is your avatar a picture of you?....if so, you are verrrrrry hot.;)

Yes it does look like a photo of some of the shaven headed gay guys in London; however unfortunately the religious fanatics of his genocidal war god have a history of executing homosexuals, and this fanatic we have here seems to think that the Biblical laws are a rather fine thing; I think though he probably did not read the one about priests not cutting their hair or shaving their beard; such a violation of the Bible god's laws.

Shall we ask the Christians to stone him to death, or just let him ramble on and embarras himself?

Lux

bikerdruid
02-04-2012, 07:21 PM
Shall we ask the Christians to stone him to death...........?

Lux

seems an awful waste.;)
maybe he's curable.

luciferhorus
02-04-2012, 08:40 PM
seems an awful waste.;)
maybe he's curable.

The effects of religious hypnosis and indoctrination are certainly curable, but the most fanatic of the lot are often suffering from a religious forum of schizophrenia (25% approximately of all schizophrenics have a "religious" form of the illness), and they are probably incurable.

Unfortunately for the "most" schizophrenic of the religious schizophrenic; God speaks directly to them, and who are we to argue with their god, who is of course perfect in every way, and their best friend.

To the religious schizophrenic, human reason, rationality, human morality means nothing to them; it is what the voices in their head tell them that is most important.

And of course, their god hates all the same people that they do; which is usually most of the human race; including other religious schizophrenics to whom god speaks, since they are obviously heretics, as they don't all hear voices saying the same things.

Lux

knightstemplar
02-04-2012, 11:42 PM
Absolute nonsense; under the Christian governments which ruled Europe for centuries there was no such a thing as free speech; competing religious and non religious / anti-religious philosophies were simply illegal and punishable often by torture and execution.


As did the Pagans who would kill Christians and also the Muslims. Why not bring them up? In addition, this is the past and long over.

The reason we have free speech is because of Enlightenment philosophies and the attack on monarchy and theocracy (the political philosophy of the Bible); the rise of governments where there are elected republics, the abandonment of religious laws, etc.

And who allowed it to be adopted and to flourish?

If your precious Bible laws were reinstated, not only would there not be freedom of speech nor political freedom, there would little freedom of behaviour also; of course religious bigots like yourself would have the freedom to slaughter heretics, blasphemers, Jews, homosexuals, Communists, atheists etc.


I would never want that to happen again. I live under the Rule of Law and am happy with that.

You Christians are worse than the fucking Nazis.

All of us Christians are worse than NAZI's and I guess all Satan worshipers are baby screwing and eating sex mongers who carve pentagrams all over their skin as they sacrifice neighborhood school children to the devil?

Lux

NO, Niger.....

knightstemplar
02-04-2012, 11:43 PM
......is your avatar a picture of you?....if so, you are verrrrrry hot.;)

Yes, it is me and thanks :o

luciferhorus
03-04-2012, 02:11 PM
Yes, it is me and thanks :o

I don't think that you totally understood what Bikerdruid was saying to you.

He and I are both male and we are both a bit queer, and your Bible god would stone us both to death or burn us.

So when he said that you are a bit "hot" .... well I think you understand; it was not a compliment from a girl; I think that it is more likely that it was meant to be a form of riduculing of a religious fanatic whose god is a militant and evangelical homophe.

The most erotic part of the human body is between the two ears; in that respect you are far from "hot;" even if you look like a total queer. LOL.

Lux

Burn the Christians; let the Christians be "hot."

Blasphemy, Heresy, War, Revolution, etc.
No mercy on they who deserve none.
"We are legion."

bikerdruid
03-04-2012, 05:18 PM
I don't think that you totally understood what Bikerdruid was saying to you.

He and I are both male and we are both a bit queer, and your Bible god would stone us both to death or burn us.

So when he said that you are a bit "hot" .... well I think you understand; it was not a compliment from a girl; I think that it is more likely that it was meant to be a form of riduculing of a religious fanatic whose god is a militant and evangelical homophe.

The most erotic part of the human body is between the two ears; in that respect you are far from "hot;" even if you look like a total queer. LOL.

Lux

Burn the Christians; let the Christians be "hot."

Blasphemy, Heresy, War, Revolution, etc.
No mercy on they who deserve none.
"We are legion."

actually, i was not being snide.
i do think he looks hot.;)

nothing wrong with a little eye-candy once in a while.....ya, i can be that shallow.:rolleyes:

luciferhorus
03-04-2012, 11:50 PM
actually, i was not being snide.
i do think he looks hot.;)

nothing wrong with a little eye-candy once in a while.....ya, i can be that shallow.:rolleyes:

Oh well be careful who you love. :-)

Personally I don't think that it is really a sin to have sex with a Christian; but it is probably the wide path to hell on earth, to get too involved.

Though I once had sex with an Anglican priest (or rather he with me), but I did not know he was a priest when I met him; he revealed that later.

He was quite hot also.

But of course long term love with a Christian religious fanatic is impossible.

Love and hate do not go together. They want to turn the world into a living hell where everyone else is also a religious fanatic, like themselves; and our Knight here seems to be the living definition of an evangelical who wishes to spread his own particular name brand of this memetic virus.

Christianity is similar to Nazism in it's militant and evangelical fervour; the Nazis promised heaven on earth and turned it into hell, but they only had a dozen years or so; the Christians have had many centuries where they have promised heaven and created hell on earth in the name of heaven; and like the Neonazis, the Neochristians simply cannot learn the lessons of human history.

I think that a problem is that ehuman souls want to live in heaven with the gods and goddesses of love (as indeed they do in their inner fantasy world where they are loved by all and love all), and since they mostly do not live in heaven, they are succeptible to being hypnotised into believing that if they accept hell on earth, that in the afterlife, they will get to spend eternity with other religious fanatics. It is not a very good offer really.

Lux

____________________

From Nietzsche's "The Antichrist:"
http://www.gutenberg.org/files/19322/19322-h/19322-h.htm


"Christianity ..... has corrupted even the faculties of those natures that are intellectually most vigorous, by representing the highest intellectual values as sinful, as misleading, as full of temptation. The most lamentable example: the corruption of Pascal, who believed that his intellect had been destroyed by original sin, whereas it was actually destroyed by Christianity!....

So long as the priest, that professional denier, calumniator and poisoner of life, is accepted as a higher variety of man, there can be no answer to the question, What is truth? Truth has already been stood on its head when the obvious attorney of mere emptiness is mistaken for its representative....

Upon this theological instinct I make war: I find the tracks of it everywhere. Whoever has theological blood in his veins is shifty and dishonourable in all things. The pathetic thing that grows out of this condition is called faith: in other words, closing one’s eyes upon one’s self once for all, to avoid suffering the sight of incurable falsehood. People erect a concept of morality, of virtue, of holiness upon this false view of all things; they ground good conscience upon faulty vision; they argue that no other sort of vision has value any more, once they have made theirs sacrosanct with the names of “God,” “salvation” and “eternity.” I unearth this theological instinct in all directions: it is the most widespread and the most subterranean form of falsehood to be found on earth. Whatever a theologian regards as true must be false: there you have almost a criterion of truth. His profound instinct of self-preservation stands against truth ever coming into honour in any way, or even getting stated. Wherever the influence of theologians is felt there is a transvaluation of values, and the concepts “true” and “false” are forced to change places: whatever is most damaging to life is there called “true,” and whatever exalts it, intensifies it, approves it, justifies it and makes it triumphant is there called “false.”...


Parasitism as the only practice of the church; with its anæmic and “holy” ideals, sucking all the blood, all the love, all the hope out of life; the beyond as the will to deny all reality; the cross as the distinguishing mark of the most subterranean conspiracy ever heard of,—against health, beauty, well-being, intellect, kindness of soul—against life itself....

This eternal accusation against Christianity I shall write upon all walls, wherever walls are to be found—I have letters that even the blind will be able to see.... I call Christianity the one great curse, the one great intrinsic depravity, the one great instinct of revenge, for which no means are venomous enough, or secret, subterranean and small enough,—I call it the one immortal blemish upon the human race...."

knightstemplar
04-04-2012, 09:46 PM
I don't think that you totally understood what Bikerdruid was saying to you.

He and I are both male and we are both a bit queer, and your Bible god would stone us both to death or burn us.

So when he said that you are a bit "hot" .... well I think you understand; it was not a compliment from a girl; I think that it is more likely that it was meant to be a form of riduculing of a religious fanatic whose god is a militant and evangelical homophe.

The most erotic part of the human body is between the two ears; in that respect you are far from "hot;" even if you look like a total queer. LOL.

Lux

Burn the Christians; let the Christians be "hot."

Blasphemy, Heresy, War, Revolution, etc.
No mercy on they who deserve none.
"We are legion."

OK, but I AM not gay and could care less if you or he is. In addition, I AM far from a religious fanatic and only a loyal brother who is a Templar via the brotherhood that you despise. Bitch all you want about it, but the facts are the temple is built and what you wish to expose is too late for the temple is ready for the capstone.

bikerdruid
05-04-2012, 12:18 AM
OK, but I AM not gay and could care less if you or he is.
cool.
;)

luciferhorus
05-04-2012, 12:56 PM
OK, but I AM not gay and could care less if you or he is. In addition, I AM far from a religious fanatic and only a loyal brother who is a Templar via the brotherhood that you despise. Bitch all you want about it, but the facts are the temple is built and what you wish to expose is too late for the temple is ready for the capstone.


Yes the Temple is already built. It is a Temple of the human heart. You can see a pictoral description of my Temple (Thelema Abbey) of the New Aeon on my website link below; but that only took me 3 years to build; the Temple of the human heart and the revolution of love is a Great Work of the Ages which has been Aeons in construction.

There are no Freemasons or members of the numerous Knight's Templar cults in my Temple that I know of; they are simply not part of the revolution; their submission is to another god entirely.; I do not know them.

There is no sky god where I am. There are however many gods and goddesses (i.e., other human beings).

The Templars in my world cannot enter the Temple of Love; they simply cannot pass the tests necessary.

Up above in the clouds of heaven in a Temple of Love sits a god and a goddess, surrounded by the armies of heaven; and this god and goddess are human beings; and the religious cultists do not know them; they live far below in hell on earth, cast out of heaven; grovelling around in the dust like wretched and accursed creatures.

Love itself cannot be worshipped; it only exists between human beings and in the human mind. There is no religious cult or Templar (regular or irregular Masonry) order which can control it; and those who claim they do are simply fools and diabolical charlatans.

In Love's heaven there are no need for knights (soldiers) to guard the inner Temple; it's doors are automatically closed to the enemies of love, for it is an invisible temple that resides in the hearts of Love's children. There are no rites and rituals apart from love itself; and nothing can be bought or sold there; it would simply be impossible to buy; Love cannot be bought or sold, and no pompous degrees or titles can be purchased from Love.

Narrow is the path to heaven on earth and few are they who find it; wide is the path to hell on earth and many are they who walk it.


Accursed eternally are the enemies of love.

Lux

psquared
05-04-2012, 01:43 PM
Seems there's no shortage of hate on either side of this argument. That's a shame. Regardless of the past, one can never change the future unless they change the present. At present, all I see is hate, so what would you expect the future to bring.

THere is no question that "religions" have caused a lot of death in the past. Seems to me there would be a lot less of that in the future if ALL religions from Christians to Satanists and everywhere in between could just be content to stay happy within themselves. QUIt trying to destroy each other in the name of their god, and tend their own flocks.

knightstemplar
05-04-2012, 02:01 PM
Yes the Temple is already built. It is a Temple of the human heart. You can see a pictoral description of my Temple (Thelema Abbey) of the New Aeon on my website link below; but that only took me 3 years to build; the Temple of the human heart and the revolution of love is a Great Work of the Ages which has been Aeons in construction.

There are no Freemasons or members of the numerous Knight's Templar cults in my Temple that I know of; they are simply not part of the revolution; their submission is to another god entirely.; I do not know them.

There is no sky god where I am. There are however many gods and goddesses (i.e., other human beings).

The Templars in my world cannot enter the Temple of Love; they simply cannot pass the tests necessary.

Up above in the clouds of heaven in a Temple of Love sits a god and a goddess, surrounded by the armies of heaven; and this god and goddess are human beings; and the religious cultists do not know them; they live far below in hell on earth, cast out of heaven; grovelling around in the dust like wretched and accursed creatures.

Love itself cannot be worshipped; it only exists between human beings and in the human mind. There is no religious cult or Templar (regular or irregular Masonry) order which can control it; and those who claim they do are simply fools and diabolical charlatans.

In Love's heaven there are no need for knights (soldiers) to guard the inner Temple; it's doors are automatically closed to the enemies of love, for it is an invisible temple that resides in the hearts of Love's children. There are no rites and rituals apart from love itself; and nothing can be bought or sold there; it would simply be impossible to buy; Love cannot be bought or sold, and no pompous degrees or titles can be purchased from Love.

Narrow is the path to heaven on earth and few are they who find it; wide is the path to hell on earth and many are they who walk it.


Accursed eternally are the enemies of love.

Lux

Amen and Fiat Lux! Great post luciferhorus.

Where I come from, the Temple is the our bodies which are living stones in the great work in building a "physical" temple which has no walls, floor or ceiling but is one spiritually constructed by the same Brotherhood I have been speaking about for the last 2,000 years through blood, sweat, tears and pain. This Brotherhood compromises of all religions, orders, races and even sexual preference :rolleyes:

Just because I AM a Christian or a Templar does not mean that if you are non-Christian or not a Templar that I despise you or wish you dead. They are just the organizations I perform my great work under and yours would be the Temple (Thelema Abbey) of the New Aeon. Same temple, just we are different living stones in the Great Work which you and I know is based on One Love and One World united together regardless of religion, race or creed.

Yes, we Templars, the Masons, Jews, Christians and you even Satanists DO NOT control love, the truth or the inner Temple, but can we ALL work in moving forward past the painful history to help one another in our similar goals of world peace, love and unity? If not, then why and what could we do to change this?

knightstemplar
05-04-2012, 02:05 PM
Seems there's no shortage of hate on either side of this argument. That's a shame. Regardless of the past, one can never change the future unless they change the present. At present, all I see is hate, so what would you expect the future to bring.

THere is no question that "religions" have caused a lot of death in the past. Seems to me there would be a lot less of that in the future if ALL religions from Christians to Satanists and everywhere in between could just be content to stay happy within themselves. QUIt trying to destroy each other in the name of their god, and tend their own flocks.

I agree psquared. My goal is to change the present by being active in the truth fight online and also debate or challenge those humans who may be disseminating hate or old charges that perpetuate the hate or influence others who may not be able to discern what they read because of their lack of common sense.

luciferhorus
05-04-2012, 02:34 PM
This Brotherhood compromises of all religions, orders, races and even sexual preference :rolleyes:

No I cannot accept that statement any more than a statement saying that the Nazis and the Communists are part of a universal brotherhood; such statements are just New Age mumbo jumbo and show a complete abandoment of human reason and natural human morality.

Yes all races and "sexual preferences" indeed. Love has no such discrimination; in fact love does not even exist transcendentally (in the sky above us or external to us); it only exists experientially within human beings.

All "religions and "orders;" indeed; what orders, what religions? It is the adherents of such cults and cult beliefs who are often the greatest enemies of Love and who promote numerous "sins of restiriction" in the name of Love and who are the definition of human hatred, bigotry and who promiote subhuman and human hating definitions of a transcendental deity.



Just because I AM a Christian or a Templar

The Templars "are" Christians and the Christians are the enemies of love. Their definition of a human hating genocidal bigot of a war god, and their fictional, fake healer, miracle worker and exorcist of a charlaton Christ have nothing to do with Love; they are the anti-thesis of human love and they have contributed greatly to the creation of Hell on earth.


They are just the organizations I perform my great work under and yours would be the Temple (Thelema Abbey) of the New Aeon. Same temple, just we are different living stones in the Great Work which you and I know is based on One Love and One World united together regardless of religion, race or creed.

Regardless of religion? No. Devoid of religion, perhaps.

Religionists are the enemies of Love; the blood and suffering they have shed in human history bears witness to their evil.

Those who ally themselves with the evil religions of the past Aeons, shall share their judgement. For the New Heaven and New Earth to be created the Christians and Muslims simply cannot continue to spread their poison on the earth. They have no part in Thelemic revolution, if they had they would never describe themselves by such diabolical titles or associate themselves with such subhuman, human hating deities.

Lux

________________

49. I am in a secret fourfold word, the blasphemy against all gods of men.

50. Curse them! Curse them! Curse them!

51. With my Hawk's head I peck at the eyes of Jesus as he hangs upon the cross.

52. I flap my wings in the face of Mohammed & blind him.

53. With my claws I tear out the flesh of the Indian and the Buddhist, Mongol and Din.

54. Bahlasti! Ompehda! I spit on your crapulous creeds.

55. Let Mary inviolate be torn upon wheels: for her sake let all chaste women be utterly despised among you!

A.C.

knightstemplar
06-04-2012, 03:39 AM
No I cannot accept that statement any more than a statement saying that the Nazis and the Communists are part of a universal brotherhood; such statements are just New Age mumbo jumbo and show a complete abandoment of human reason and natural human morality.


That is your choice to be close minded to me or any Christian. I have done nothing to attack you or intentionally offend you, but you want to judge me based on my faith and not my heart. Why can't I accept anyone or love them regardless of their religion, race or creed?

Yes all races and "sexual preferences" indeed. Love has no such discrimination; in fact love does not even exist transcendentally (in the sky above us or external to us); it only exists experientially within human beings.
Personally, I feel that you contradict yourself when you talk about that love exists exponentially within us human beings, but you choose to hate me for my faith and will not accept me for my heart.

Why do you have to do this to me?

All "religions and "orders;" indeed; what orders, what religions? It is the adherents of such cults and cult beliefs who are often the greatest enemies of Love and who promote numerous "sins of restiriction" in the name of Love and who are the definition of human hatred, bigotry and who promiote subhuman and human hating definitions of a transcendental deity.Christianity was not created for hate or war but for peace. It was and is a brotherhood that in those days it was often a simple case of kill or be killed. Christians was not the first religion and or brotherhood that engaged in warfare or what you call sins.

The Templars "are" Christians and the Christians are the enemies of love. Their definition of a human hating genocidal bigot of a war god, and their fictional, fake healer, miracle worker and exorcist of a charlaton Christ have nothing to do with Love; they are the anti-thesis of human love and they have contributed greatly to the creation of Hell on earth.You are talking about an order that was burned at the stake for being anti christian, heretics and even homosexual. I guess you are a tough crowd :rolleyes:

Regardless of religion? No. Devoid of religion, perhaps.

Religionists are the enemies of Love; the blood and suffering they have shed in human history bears witness to their evil.I know past history and how evil every tribe was in those days when Christianity was formed. It was barbarism and chaos at its worst. Before Christians took up arms we were merciless killed everywhere for the mere mention of the word Christian. Hence, you look at history with a one track mind hell bent on condemning only Christians as the doers of evil without being fair and balanced in your hate that you falsely dress up as love

Those who ally themselves with the evil religions of the past Aeons, shall share their judgement. For the New Heaven and New Earth to be created the Christians and Muslims simply cannot continue to spread their poison on the earth. They have no part in Thelemic revolution, if they had they would never describe themselves by such diabolical titles or associate themselves with such subhuman, human hating deities.So, in your world we are all going to be bi-sexual and have sex with whomever we choose, wherever we choose as we pursue our animal natures to our wildest imaginations?

Lux
FIAT LUX
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49. I am in a secret fourfold word, the blasphemy against all gods of men.

50. Curse them! Curse them! Curse them!

51. With my Hawk's head I peck at the eyes of Jesus as he hangs upon the cross.

52. I flap my wings in the face of Mohammed & blind him.

53. With my claws I tear out the flesh of the Indian and the Buddhist, Mongol and Din.

54. Bahlasti! Ompehda! I spit on your crapulous creeds.

55. Let Mary inviolate be torn upon wheels: for her sake let all chaste women be utterly despised among you!

A.C.Give thanks to God that the truth about the city of the Lord (which is the Church) is admitted even by the city's enemies – namely, that if it be rebuilt after the captivity and the city walls be raised up from living stones. The temple which Christ built is the universal church, which he gathers into the one structure of his faith and love from all the believers throughout the world, as it were from living stones.

Revelation 3:21 - He who overcomes, I will grant to him to sit down with Me on My throne, as I also overcame and sat down with My Father on His throne.

Revelation 5:10 - “You have made them to be a kingdom and priests to our God; and they will reign upon the earth.”

Revelation 20:6 - Blessed and holy is the one who has a part in the first resurrection; over these the second death has no power, but they will be priests of God and of Christ and will reign with Him for a thousand years.

Revelation 22:5 - And there will no longer be any night; and they [a]will not have need of the light of a lamp nor the light of the sun, because the Lord God will illumine them;

and they will reign forever and ever.

luciferhorus
07-04-2012, 12:37 PM
That is your choice to be close minded to me or any Christian. I have done nothing to attack you or intentionally offend you, but you want to judge me based on my faith and not my heart. Why can't I accept anyone or love them regardless of their religion, race or creed?

Personally, I feel that you contradict yourself when you talk about that love exists exponentially within us human beings, but you choose to hate me for my faith and will not accept me for my heart.

Why do you have to do this to me?



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This matter has nothing to do with "race" whatsoever; it has to do with religion and "creed."

This is a matter of moral philosophy (the subjective discenrment of good and evil).

Should I judge you a malevolent simply based on your religion? Of course I should. The Bible is not merely a set of harmless theological ramblins; it promotes a system of government (theocratic monarchy / dictatorship) and a system of Law. I judge you as being evil, as you are her to promote ideological evil; I would make the similar judgement on an ideological Nazi propagandist. If a Nazi propagandist state "Do not judge me by my beliefs, but by my heart," I would respond similarly. You and I are not lovers and you are not here to express your love and your "heart;" you are here to corrupt others with the ideological evil of Christianity.

The moral problem here is the Christian's definition of absolute goodness. Most human beings believe in the existence of the gods; there are numerous different definitions of these gods, but the definition you have chosen is the Christian definition. You are clearly educated and intelligent, and yet you have chosen an utterly diabolical and genocidal definition of a deity as your definition of goodness,

In the words of Richard Dawkins, the Biblical deity "is arguably the most unpleasant character in all fiction: jealous and proud of it; a petty, unjust, unforgiving control-freak; a vindictive, bloodthirsty ethnic cleanser; a misogynistic, homophobic, racist, infanticidal, genocidal, filicidal, pestilential, megalomaniacal, sadomasochistic, capriciously malevolent bully.”

This is the Christian's definition of absolute goodness, and beliefs affect behaviour, and human history is littered with the blood and human suffering of the victims of this diabolical religion; and yet it is a vile memetic virus which you have premeditatedly chosen and you have further chosen to be a propagandist for this subhuman deity. There are many other definitions of a deity which you could have chosen, but you have chose the utterly diabolical deity of the Bible.

Thus I can only judge you as being malevolent and morally subhuman


Why can't I accept anyone or love them regardless of their religion, race or creed?

If you accept someone and love them regardless of their beliefs, then you are a fool. Would you love a Nazi and accept them regardless of their beliefs? You certainly don't accept my anti-Christian beliefs, and your chosen religion is any way an utterly intolerant one.

Christianity was not created for hate or war but for peace. It was and is a brotherhood that in those days it was often a simple case of kill or be killed. Christians was not the first religion and or brotherhood that engaged in warfare or what you call sins.
You are talking about an order that was burned at the stake for being anti christian, heretics and even homosexual. I guess you are a tough crowd :rolleyes:

Well in addition to genocidal Holy War Bible god demands the execution of heretics, blasphmers, Sabbath workers, homosexuals, the practicioners of free love etc.



I know past history and how evil every tribe was in those days when Christianity was formed. It was barbarism and chaos at its worst. Before Christians took up arms we were merciless killed everywhere for the mere mention of the word Christian. Hence, you look at history with a one track mind hell bent on condemning only Christians as the doers of evil without being fair and balanced in your hate that you falsely dress up as love

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Utter nonsense; you have not been on this forum very long, but I can assure you that I oppose all forms of organised religion, Islam, Hinduism, etc.

So, in your world we are all going to be bi-sexual and have sex with whomever we choose, wherever we choose as we pursue our animal natures to our wildest imaginations?

Well you obviously don't like animals and you despise human nature; animals act according to their nature; it is organised religion which generally opposes human beings having the freedom to love each other; since your god is a god who clearly despises human beings and human erotic freedom, it is thus a human hating god. Propagansising for this subhuman, human nature hating deity is not a victimless crime, since those affected by Christian propaganda become morally subhuman themselves.



FIAT LUX
Give thanks to God that the truth about the city of the Lord (which is the Church) is admitted even by the city's enemies – namely, that if it be rebuilt after the captivity and the city walls be raised up from living stones. The temple which Christ built is the universal church, which he gathers into the one structure of his faith and love from all the believers throughout the world, as it were from living stones.

Revelation 3:21 - He who overcomes, I will grant to him to sit down with Me on My throne, as I also overcame and sat down with My Father on His throne.

Revelation 5:10 - “You have made them to be a kingdom and priests to our God; and they will reign upon the earth.”

Revelation 20:6 - Blessed and holy is the one who has a part in the first resurrection; over these the second death has no power, but they will be priests of God and of Christ and will reign with Him for a thousand years.

Revelation 22:5 - And there will no longer be any night; and they [a]will not have need of the light of a lamp nor the light of the sun, because the Lord God will illumine them;

and they will reign forever and ever.
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There are numerous "End Times" prophecies promoted by various religious fanatics; for example the Muslims predict that their coming military savious will conquer the world for Islam.

The political philosophy of the Bible is that of theocratic dictatorship, and ultimately it predicts a genocidal global warfare where a religious tyrant (the King of Kings) will rule the world with a rod of iron.


I believe that the best political system is a Socialist Republic, not a theocratic dictatorship or indeed any form of dictatorship; thus the Christian is a person who not only promotes personal moral evil and hatred ("in the name of love") but a person who promotes a primitive and antiquated political philosophy; thus do I judge you morally on par with the Nazis and other promoters of genocidal warfare and political evil and the institution of absolute tyranny (monarchy / dictatorship).

Propagating such genocidal political evil is not a victimless crime.


Lux

Great and terrible and dreadful and wrathful shall be the Day of Judgement (on the religious fanatics).

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knightstemplar
07-04-2012, 03:53 PM
You are what we call a 'Tare' and I AM the 'Wheat.' It is said that in the end days of our Bible and this age which we created, that our Lord will separate the Wheat from the Tares. Last time I checked, the Satanists and Aleister Fowley were not in charge of the Government, banks, military and secret societies. Therefor, as you say, the ONLY SOLUTION is a militant and genocidal solution which we agree with. Yes, we know that is painfully obvious and in case you didn't notice in between playing games of 2nd life and sticking your lil peeper in whatever hole you desire, our war sabers are rattling in anticipation of the harvest.

luciferhorus
07-04-2012, 05:52 PM
You are what we call a 'Tare' and I AM the 'Wheat.' It is said that in the end days of our Bible and this age which we created, that our Lord will separate the Wheat from the Tares. Last time I checked, the Satanists and Aleister Fowley were not in charge of the Government, banks, military and secret societies. Therefor, as you say, the ONLY SOLUTION is a militant and genocidal solution which we agree with. Yes, we know that is painfully obvious and in case you didn't notice in between playing games of 2nd life and sticking your lil peeper in whatever hole you desire, our war sabers are rattling in anticipation of the harvest.


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Well more confirmation of the genocidal nature of the Christians; yes the Christians believe that unbelievers will be put to death in the "End Times;" simply because they reject the Christian faith; this being by far the vast majority of the human population; this is one of the reasons why I believe that the Christians are worse than the Nazis.

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Fortunately David Icke is correct to the extent that it is not the proponents of the slave religion of Christianity, like our Knight (soldier / militant) here who rule the world; Christianity is simplly a tool of mass hypnosos and control; the world is ruled by a far different group of esotericists; in fact even among the Freemasons who claim to be Christians; for those "in the know," their Christ is a living mortal man; it is not that fictional religious fanatic from 2000 years ago.

Lux
No mercy on they who deserve none.

knightstemplar
07-04-2012, 06:07 PM
That can be said about any religion, but it is painfully obvious you are singling out Christianity because we have been so successful and as you stated, rule the world. I do not subscribe to the end days where non Christians are all put to death, but I do believe in the heavenly homeland for faithful true Christians and hell is where you all are and will continue to live since you are incapable of reaching heaven. You all cannot even control your animal natures which rule you and your Satanist religion based on hedonism that is no better than a monkey in the jungle which is where you would like humanity to revert back to because you enjoy being a glutton, sloth and evil being and we have been and will be a threat to that sick lifestyle.

luciferhorus
07-04-2012, 06:18 PM
That can be said about any religion, but it is painfully obvious you are singling out Christianity because we have been so successful and as you stated, rule the world.

If you think that the world is ruled by Christians, you are clearly deluded Christianity is a dead and dying religion among the educated classes of the West who mostly appear to consider it to be a ridiculous, primitive and barbarcic superstition for idiots and those devoid of human reason.

I do not subscribe to the end days where non Christians are all put to death,

Well that would seem to contradict your previous comments; how unsurprising to find a genocidal religious fanatic who is so full of contradictions.

You are what we call a 'Tare' and I AM the 'Wheat.' It is said that in the end days of our Bible and this age which we created, that our Lord will separate the Wheat from the Tares................. Therefor, as you say, the ONLY SOLUTION is a militant and genocidal solution which we agree with. Yes, we know that is painfully obvious................, our war sabers are rattling in anticipation of the harvest.

knightstemplar
07-04-2012, 06:30 PM
If you think that the world is ruled by Christians, you are clearly deluded Christianity is a dead and dying religion among the educated classes of the West who mostly appear to consider it to be a ridiculous, primitive and barbarcic superstition for idiots and those devoid of human reason.

I do not think, I know, but you are rite, it is in its final days of the Apocalypse via the New Testament. The educated classes of the West are under mind control and educated to serve a purpose in the Temple which they doing a mighty fine job. What they or you think means nothing to us for we know the reason behind it all and the divine purpose to justify the ends.

Well that would seem to contradict your previous comments; how unsurprising to find a genocidal religious fanatic who is so full of contradictions.

I said I do not subscribe to putting all non-Christians to death which is not a contradiction whan I said, "the ONLY SOLUTION is a militant and genocidal solution which we agree with. " While I can see why you would think that is what I meant, it is not and was in reference to the Muslim world, IE Iran etc. In case you didn't notice, is about to boil over and this is prophecy.

luciferhorus
07-04-2012, 07:16 PM
I do not think, I know, but you are rite, it is in its final days of the Apocalypse via the New Testament. The educated classes of the West are under mind control and educated to serve a purpose in the Temple which they doing a mighty fine job. What they or you think means nothing to us for we know the reason behind it all and the divine purpose to justify the ends.

It is the educated classes, the academics, intellectuals and philosophers who are mostly immune to the effects of the religious hypnoisis and indoctrination which you and other Christians are suffering from; and there are many of us who exist throughout the world and throughout the Internet as an informal "Revolutionary Vanguard" to challenge genocidally malevolent propagandists such as yourself, and to attempt stop the memetic virus of religion; wherever you go on the Internet on major debating forums you will find such persons; and you may also find that our responses are rather similar.



I said I do not subscribe to putting all non-Christians to death which is not a contradiction whan I said, "the ONLY SOLUTION is a militant and genocidal solution which we agree with. " While I can see why you would think that is what I meant, it is not and was in reference to the Muslim world, IE Iran etc. In case you didn't notice, is about to boil over and this is prophecy.

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Well let us just recap on what you did say:

You are what we call a 'Tare' and I AM the 'Wheat.' It is said that in the end days of our Bible and this age which we created, that our Lord will separate the Wheat from the Tares................. Therefor, as you say, the ONLY SOLUTION is a militant and genocidal solution which we agree with. Yes, we know that is painfully obvious................, our war sabers are rattling in anticipation of the harvest.


You were not addressing a Muslim; you were referring to me, and I must assume also, other Anti-christians such as myself (the vast majority of the educated classes).

That can be said about any religion, but it is painfully obvious you are singling out Christianity ....

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It is my position that militant Islam is a much greater and potentially genocidal threat to the world than even the mind virus of Christianity which you seek to infect others with; however that is not "because" of the Christian religion, but despite it; the West has been influenced by the Enlightenment philosophies, rationalism, humanism, etc., and although the bible god is just as genocidally militant as the Islamic god, most Western Christians are not in any way as fanatical as the militant Muslims and have rejected many of the more evil aspects of their god.

The next major war will be Western civilisation vs. Islam, and by Western civilisation and don't mean just Europe and America, since China, Japan and many other nations have absorbed Western culture.

The Muslims are surrounded by nations with some of the most advanced military technology in human history, which could utterly eradicate them overnight; and unfortunately it may well come to that. Unfortunately also, since nuclear devices can fit in a suitcase or the boot of a car, the next war can be expected to begin "as a thief in the night" on a day and an hour when expected least; and some of the great cities of the West may well turn to dust.

The problem of prophecy is the problem of religious fanatics, who believe in such apocalyptic prophecies and who seek to "self-fulfill" such prophecies; Islamic and Christian prophecies both predict a genocidal holy war and the installation of an Islamic and Christian dictatorship; such prophecies cannot both be true, but it will not stop fanatics from trying to self fulfill them.

The next war will not be Islam vs. Christianity; it will be Islam vs. post-enlightenment, secular Western civilisation; Christianity has been in decline since the Enlightenment and it is in the Western world merely a religion for fools, fanatics, the uneducated, and those who have abandoned human reason and humanity itself.

Lux
Blasphemy, Heresy, War, Revolution, etc.

"There is a Magical operation of maximum importance: the Initiation of a New Aeon. When it becomes necessary to utter a Word, the whole Planet must be bathed in blood. Before man is ready to accept the Law of Thelema, the Great War must be fought. This Bloody Sacrifice is the critical point of the World-Ceremony of the Proclamation of Horus, the Crowned and conquering Child, as Lord of the Aeon." Aleister Crowley.