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India's God Krishna Was the King of Jerusalem!By Gene D. Matlock


What a strange world in which we live! The Catholic Church has always known that Christianity did not begin with Jesus Christ, but yet it tries to make us think it did.

St. Augustine of Hippo (354-430 AD) wrote: "This, in our day, is the Christian religion, not as having been unknown in former times, but as having recently received that name."

Eusebius of Caesarea (circa 283-371 AD) said: "The religion of Jesus Christ is neither new nor strange."

In Anacalypsis, The 17th century British orientalist and iconoclast, Godfrey Higgins, insisted that Christianity was already firmly in place in both the West and the East, many centuries before Jesus Christ was born. He said, The Crestians or Christians of the West probably descended directly from the Buddhists, rather than from the Brahmins. (Vol. 2, pp 438, 439.)

The existence of the Christians both in Europe and India, (existed) long anterior to the Christian era... (Vol 2, p. 202.) I think the most blind and credulous of devotees must allow that we have the existence of the Cristna of the Brahmins in Thrace, many hundred years before the Christian era-the birth of Jesus Christ. (Book X, p. 593.)

"Melito (a Christian bishop of Sardis) in the year 170, claims the patronage of the emperor, for the now so-called Christian religion, which he calls "our philosophy," on account of its high antiquity, has having been imported from countries lying beyond the limits of the Roman empire, in the region of his ancestor Augustus, who found the importation ominous of good fortune to his government." This is an absolute demonstration that Christianity did not originate in Judea, which was a Roman province, but really was an exotic oriental fable, imported from India, and that Paul was doing as he claimed, viz: preaching a God manifest in the flesh who had been "believed in the world" centuries before his time, and a doctrine which had already been preached "unto every creature under heaven." (Bible Myths and Their Parallels in Other Religions; T. W. Doane, p. 409.)

Religious historians have for hundreds of years struggled to find out how and why the stories about Jesus and Krishna, who were born 2,000 years apart, are so nearly identical.


Both Christ and Krishna descended from Noah.
The future births of both messiahs were predicted ahead of time.
Christ was descended from Abraham
Krishna was the father of Abraham (Brahma).
Christ was at once a Koresh, a Hebrew, and a Yehudi.
Krishna was at once a Kurus, an Abhira, and a Yadava.
Christ was an incarnation of Yah-Veh.
Krishna was at once an incarnation of Vishnu and Shiva.
Christ's first name, Jesus, was Yeshua.
A title of Krishna, meaning "love; devotion," was Yesu. Even today, many Hindu parents name their sons, Yesu Krishna.
Both men were born of virgins and in a stable.
Krishna's mother was named Devaki.
Jesus mother was called Mary.
Krishna did not have an earthly father as such, but a protector, named Vasudeva.
Jesus did not have an earthly father as such, but a mortal protector named Joseph.
An evil king tried to kill Christ and Krishna when they were both infants.
To protect the infant Jesus, Joseph and Mary took him to Maturai, Egypt.
To protect the infant Krishna, his parents, Vasudeva and Devaki, took him to Mathura, India.
It was predicted that both men would die to atone for the sins of their people.
As you have probably noticed, they took refuge in places having almost identical names.
Both men preached to their people.
Christ was crucified and then resurrected. Krishna was killed by a hunter's arrow and impaled on a tree. Later, he returned to life.
Christ was crucified in Jerusalem.
Some Hindu scholars think that Krishna died in Jerusalem, having gone there when his coastal city of Dwarka sank under the sea. Others say he went to Iraq.
Christ appeared after his "death." Krishna appeared after his "death."
Both of them have a major holiday dedicated to them on December 25th.
Christ had a female admirer named Mary Magdalene. Krishna had a female admirer named Marya Maghadalena.
Fanatically sectarian Christians and Hindus alike militantly reject the idea that the stories of these two deities are related. The Christians accuse the Hindus of blurring their identities on purpose. Some even claim that the Devil himself is the culprit.The Hindus reciprocate accordingly. Unfortunately, neither side can prove or disprove anything. In this article, I will attempt to clear up this mystery once and for all.

The Hindu Equivalent of our Old Testament Story of Abraham.

The story begins with our Abraham or Brahma as the Hindus called him. His father was Lord Krishna; his brother was Mahesh a.k.a Maheshvara who would be our Moses (Heb: Moshe).

The Hindu triad consists of the Gods Brahma, the equivalent of our God, and Gods Shiva and Vishnu. Actually Shiva and Vishnu are one and the same deities. Together, they are Brahma (God). Today, in India, there are only two temples dedicated to God Brahma because the Hindus say mankind is not yet ready to worship such a lofty concept.

Hindu Proof That Jesus Is the Son of God!

The Bible tells us that Jesus was both Shiva and Vishnu, for Jesus' biblical names are Isa/Isha (Shiva), Yeshua (Skt. Yishvara, pronounced in Sanskrit as Yeshwara), Kristos, and Yesu, another name of Krishna . Even in India, Lord Krishna was and still is called Yesu Krishna and Kristna. These names prove to us that Jesus was both Shiva and Vishnu, thus making Jesus the begotten son of the Unbegotten-Brahma.


The preceding information shows us that the Hindus are as Christian as the Christians are. Morever, the Hindus can prove that Jesus was the son of God, but we have to accept this as a matter of faith only. Even so, there is no lack of Christian sects wanting the Hindus to "convert" to their way of thinking although we must credit the Hindus with the honor of proving to us that Jesus is the son of God. But the Hindus don't need to convert to the spiritual knowledge they bequeathed to us. They were "converted" thousands of years before our Jesus was born. I say, leave them be.

Since Krishna was not born of man, he was not actually the earthly father of Brahma and Mahesh. Therefore, he himself was the protector (Tara) of Brahma. In Sanskrit, Tara means "savior; protector." It is a term generally used with the gods Rudra, Shiva, Vishnu and Brahma. Even our Old Testament says that the father (protector) of Abraham was Terah (Genesis 11:26.) The Bible tells us that Abraham and Sarah were half-siblings. (Genesis 12:19-20.). The Hindu holy books also tell us that a blood relationship existed between them. The Puranas relate Sarasvati to Brahma and Vishnu. Most frequently, she is associated with Brahma. Her connection with him dates earlier than to any other God. She is portrayed mostly as his wife and occasionally as his daughter. When Vishnu's popularity in India increased, myths relating Saraswati to him appeared. (Ref: Sarasvati and the Gods; www.vishvarupa.com.) Therefore, Brahma or Vishnu would also have been the Tara (Terah) of Sarasvati because of her divine origins.


Abraham or Brahma's home was the land of Haran (Genesis 1:4.) Haran was the coastal principality governed by Krishna. It was even named after him because Hara (Sun God) is another name of Krishna. Brahma/Abraham was 75 years old when he left Haran.

Just as Christ was crucified on a cross and then returned to life, Krishna, also known as Haran, was crucified on a tree and then returned to life. This fact appears to cause some confusion in The Bible. (Read Genesis 11:26-31).

There is also another "Haran" in India-today's state of Haryana. It is the region where Abraham decided to stop making idols and worship only one God. Brahmavarta, a region in Northeastern Haryana, is said to be the place where mankind was first created. (Varta=Dwelling.) Brahmavarta was the site of the Kuruksetra War between the Kurus and Pandavas, in which Lord Krishna distinguished himself. An ancient and holy river, now dried up, the Sarasvati, once flowed through Brahmavarta. The Hakra (the biblical Haggar) was a tributary of the Sarasvati. The relationships of these three geographical entities make sense. If Brahma provided the channel or bed for the Sarasvati river, Brahmavarta could easily have been the symbolical father or brother of Sarasvati. Hakra (Haggar), being a tributary of Sarasvati, depended on Sarasvati . So what were Abraham, Sarah, and Haggar? People, things, or places?


I have stated that the Bible mentions Haran and Haryana. The Hindu holy books also say that Brahma/Abrahan lived in Ur of the Chaldees. Ur was a Sumerian name for "town; city." Chaldee (pronounced Kaldee) derives from the Sanskrit Kaul, a Brahman caste, and Deva (demi-god). The North Indian Kauldevas worshiped idols representing their ancestors. According to the Hindus, Brahma married Sarasvati in Chaldea, the part that is now Afghanistan.

Northern Afghanistan was called Uttara Kuru and was a great center of learning. An Indian woman went there to study and received the title of Vak i.e. Saraisvati (Lady Sarah). It is believed that Brahm, her teacher, was so impressed by her beauty, education, and powerful intellect, that he married her. (The Hindu History, by Ashkoy Kumar Mazumdar; p. 48, in passim.) Lord Krishna, the divine father (Terah/T‚ra) of Brahma/Abraham, was the king of Haran, with the seaport of Dwarka as its capital.

In about 1900 BC, hundreds of thousands of native Indians emptied Northern and Central India and fled to the Middle East after Krishna's Dwarka sank under the water.



Krishna gathered his family together and fled either to the Middle East or to what is now Iraq. Only some gigantic natural disasters, such as earthquakes and floods could have caused such an exodus. It was at this time that the Saraisvati and the Indus changed their proper beds. The Saraisvati dried up.


The drying up of the Saraisvati... led to a major relocation of the population centered around the Sindhu and the Sarasvati valleys... caused a migration westward from India. It is soon after this time that the Indic element begins to appear all over West Asia, Egypt, and Greece. (Indic Ideas in the Graeco-Roman World, by Subhash Kak, taken from IndiaStar online literary magazine; p. 14.)

And Joshua said unto all the people, Your fathers dwelt... in old time, even Terah, the father of Abraham, and the father of Nachor, and they served other gods.

Many people don't understand what is meant by Joshua's remark about "the other side of the flood."

And Joshua said unto all the people, Your fathers dwelt... in old time, even Terah, the father of Abraham, and the father of Nachor, and they served other gods.

And I took your father Abraham from the other side of the flood, and led him throughout all the land of Canaan... (Joshua 24:2-3.)

Many people don't understand what is meant by Joshua's remark about "the other side of the flood." They think he was referring to the Noachide flood. He was referring to the time when God Krishna's Dwarka and Haran province, in today's Gujarat, sank under water in about 1900 BC. Abraham, Sarah, and their followers escaped southward, to the coastal ports of Kalyan and Sopara (Sophir or Sauvira), in Maharashthra. From there, they sailed northward to the Middle East. Sarah (Sarsvati) embarked from the port of Kalyan. At one time, Kalyan was located closer to the coast, but is now located more than 50 miles inland. Sarasvati is the patron saint of Kalyan. The patron saint of Sophir or Sauvira was Parasu Rama (possibly a name of our biblical Abraham/Brahma).

And I took your father Abraham from the other side of the flood, and led him throughout all the land of Canaan... (Joshua 24:2-3.)

Indian Author Paramesh Choudhury, author of The India We Have Lost, claims that Krishna and his family probably fled to Iraq. But I'm certain that they went to Jerusalem. The word Jerusalem is derived from Sanskrit: Yadu-Ishalayam, meaning "The Holy Rock of the Yadu Tribe." Lord Krishna was a Yadu. The Moslems still revere this huge rock under the Dome of the Rock on Jerusalem Temple Mount.



Temple [top] Mount and Dome of the Rock. [bottom] Abraham's tomb.

Until now, I have been wondering why Krishna's name did not appear in Jerusalem after his arrival there. Yet, the name of the king of Jerusalem, Melchizedek, the mentor of Abraham, did. I once thought that Melchizedek was the name of a certain person. I made this mistake by thinking that a prince and a son of a Kassite king, Melik-Sadaksina, was a supernaturally endowed prince, magician and spiritual giant. I thought he had accompanied Krishna, Abraham, and Sarah to the Middle East. Later on, I came to realize that the Sanskrit word Sadhaka applies to anyone who is an adept, a magician, one possessed of supernatural powers gained by worshipping a deity or by uttering magical chants.

I have additionally shown in this article that the New Testament words for Jesus all refer to Lord Krishna and his holy names. The early Christians were convinced that Melchizedek was just a prior incarnation of Jesus Christ, The remains of the Nag Hammadi manuscript entitled Melchizedek seem to confirm this. Melchizedek, king of Jerusalem and mentor of his son Abraham, was none other than ancient India's God Krishna. The early Christians thought that Jesus was a reincarnation of Krishna, for who else had the name Yesu Kristna, Isa, Krishna, etc.?

St. Paul states in the New Testament book of Hebrews:

Whither the forerunner is for us entered, even Jesus, made a high priest forever after the order of Melchisedec. (6:20.) For this Melchisedec, king of Salem, priest of the most high God, who met Abraham returning from the slaughter of the kings, and blessed him...(7:1); For he was yet in the loins of his father when Melchisedec met him. (7:;10);...what further need was there that another priest should arise after the order of Melchisedec...(7:11); Thou art a priest forever after the order of Melchisedec (7:17);.


Melchisedek (Krishna)

In closing this article, I want to mention the dissatisfaction I have always had with fanatical religious sectarians who yell that only they are right and that everybody else is wrong. They often insult, deprecate, mock, and reject those with whom they disagree, hoping to shut the formers' mouths. In many cases, these religious squabbles over suspected "differences" cause widespread bloodshed and misery in the world. I am a Roman Catholic and proud of it. But it grieves me when I hear priests, nuns and laity preach that anyone who isn't a Catholic is hell-bound.

The word "Catholic" itself derives from the Sanskrit Ketu-Loka, meaning "Universal Leader." But how can a religion be "universal" if it is exclusive, locking out nations like India who not only gave Catholics their own bible, but even the Christ they worship? I have shown how nearly parallel our bible and the Hindu holy books concur in almost every way-linguistically, culturally, spiritually, etc. Even the incestuous relationship between Brahma and Sarasvati squares with that of Abraham and Sarah. India more than qualifies to be the real holy land of all mankind. The main differences between Christians and Hindus arise from the fact that the Hindu form of Christianity stayed behind in India, and that the western Christianity we know was exported abroad. Naturally, geographical separation has caused some variations in the two similar teachings, as well as culturally. Additionally, we have to keep in mind that for many hundreds of years, these stories were passed down orally, from father to son. Changes, embellishments, and varying opinions crept through the woodwork.

It is a strange anomaly that our Christian sects want to convert the Hindus to the same religious teachings the latter gave to the world and still practice!

I have amply demonstrated that all of us, no matter what our respective religions and nationalities, are grandchildren of India, Will this knowledge help keep us from tearing ourselves and the world apart?

Addendum:

If, until now, you are still unconvinced that Melchizedek was Lord Krishna, and that Jesus was an incarnation of Krishna (Melchizedek) as Paul himself explained, I have no other recourse but to give you solid proof directly from the mouths of the Hindus themselves! This should put an end to the question. It is a verifiable fact that one of the names of Krishna was Sadhaka. Being a king, Krishna would have been addressed as Malika (King) Sadhaka). If you are still doubtful, go to the web and type in Krishna Sadhaka. You'll instantly get all the proof you'll; ever need. Note: This article is a chapter from Gene's upcoming book, now in preparation: Searching for God -- Now a Valid Science! It will be released in autumn, 2007.

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he himself was the protector (Tara) of Brahma. In Sanskrit, Tara means "savior; protector." It is a term generally used with the gods Rudra, Shiva, Vishnu and Brahma. Even our Old Testament says that the father (protector) of Abraham was Terah (Genesis 11:26.)


now add in arya/eire, hill of tara,

hill of tara - Google Search

http://www.mythicalireland.com/ancientsites/tara/

The Hill of Tara, known as Temair in gaeilge, was once the ancient seat of power in Ireland – 142 kings are said to have reigned there in prehistoric and historic times. In ancient Irish religion and mythology Temair was the sacred place of dwelling for the gods, and was the entrance to the otherworld. Saint Patrick is said to have come to Tara to confront the ancient religion of the pagans at its most powerful site.

One interpretation of the name Tara says that it means a "place of great prospect" and indeed on a clear day it is claimed that features in half the counties of Ireland can be seen from atop Tara. In the distance to the northwest can be seen the brilliant white quartz front of Newgrange and further north lies the Hill of Slane, where according to legend St. Patrick lit his Pascal fire prior to his visit to Tara in 433 AD.

"i even had a dream saying the children of qumrum were celts/tara/tuaath de denaan."

http://www.hilloftara.info/
M3 Motorway and the Hill of Tara

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Tara Is a Site of World Significance, With Many Connections to India

Tara of the Kings

Weekly Lecture Series : Royal Society of Antiquaries of Ireland

Mr Charlie Doherty, UCD

The kingship of Tara—Pagan and Christian: The International context”

The international significance of the monuments on and around the Hill of Tara is only beginning to be understood, and the M3 motorway inappropriate at such an important site.

Mr Charlie Doherty of the School of Early Irish History and Archives, University College Dublin, argued this yesterday, Saturday 28th October, when he opened the Tara of the Kings lecture series at the Royal Society of Antiquaries of Ireland (RSAI), Merrion Square, Dublin. His paper was entitled “The kingship of Tara—Pagan and Christian: The International context”

Mr Doherty first presented Tara in the Irish context, as a pagan site with a Christian dimension, like Navan Fort Cashel, and explained why Tara is the most important domestic Irish site. As an historian, he explained how scholars are now only beginning to understand Tara, and place it in a wider context, because of the non-intrusive archaeological research done at the Discovery Programme in the past decade.

Then Mr Doherty made many connections to other important sites and traditions of kingship around the world. Amazing discoveries are being made when archaeological data is matched up with linguistic and historical evidence. Tara was the site of an exceptional kingship, comparable to including others found in India, Wales and Greece.

Scholars have agreed for some time that Irish is an Indo-European language. Now, similar words and physical attributes of sites attest to the Indo-European nature of Tara. Mr Doherty explained how vestiges of this early culture survived at the edges of the region, like Ireland and India, while they disappeared in the center.

The lecture series will continue every Saturday until Christmas, and the papers given by internationally renowned scholars will be collected into a set of proceedings, to be edited by Professor Paul Muldoon, of Princeton University. Professor Muldoon, who won the Pulitzer Prize, is vehemently opposed to the M3 route through Tara. He has been described by The Times Literary Supplement as “the most significant English-language poet born since the second World War.”

4 Nov: ‘The Kingship of Tara: The Views of the Four Masters’.
Next Saturday’s lecture (4 Nov) will be given by Dr Joseph Flahive, Dept. of Old and Modern Irish, University College Cork, and will focus on The Four Masters conception of the High Kingship and the use of Tara as a semi-legendary prop of nationalism in the seventeenth century.

Lectures take place at noon, every Saturday, in the Helen Roe Lecture Theatre, 63 Merrion Square. The public are welcome and admission is free

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The Links Between Ireland and India
By Sean Mac Aodh

Ireland and India have a special bond as two countries who were colonized by the same power, but who had cultures very different to their oppressors. The first arrivals to Ireland were at the culmination of migration pattern that had begun back in India, and some scholars hold that the Irish language has more in common with Sanskrit than it does with English. Others note that there are similarities between ancient Irish Brehon Laws and Indian Vedic laws.

During English rule, many Irish would have gone over to India as soldiers in the British Army, others as missionaries. However, it would be a lady called Margaret Noble who would exert the biggest Irish Influence on the shape of India. Born in Tyrone in 1867, she met the great Indian spiritual figure Swami Vivekananda in 1898 in London and was captivated by his message of tolerance between all faiths and peoples. She visited India with him, and after his death, used her considerable skills in education all for the benefit of Indian women. Today, she is still remembered by modern India for her constant sacrifice to uplift the standard of education of Indian women, and for the inspiration and encouragement she gave to India's fledgling independence movement. Ireland's Easter Rising in 1916 and her subsequent independence in 1922 gave enormous encouragement to those aspiring for Indian independence - after all if a small country like Ireland could gain independence, then why not a large and faraway country like India? Similarly, the framers of India's Constitution drew inspiration from the constitution of Ireland written only ten years before.

In recent times, there has been an increased flow of people and culture between the two countries. Mother Teresa, who received the Nobel Peace Prize for her work with the poor in Calcutta, underwent her spiritual training in Ireland. In recent years, a sizeable Indian community has grown in Ireland. In addition, many Indian spiritual traditions have opened up a temple or meditation centre in Ireland, making the immense spiritual wealth of India available to the people of Ireland.

The author, Sean Mac Aodh, has a Ph.D in particle physics. He studies meditation with the help of noted teacher Sri Chinmoy, and also teaches free courses on meditation and spirituality in Dublin, Ireland. He is especially interested in Irish and Indian music

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More links confirming the thread.

http://www.ace.net.au/darkmoon/hornedg.htm
The Horned God in India and Europe

http://realmagick.com/articles/94/1494.html
The Celtic Vedic Connection, Part I

http://realmagick.com/articles/93/1493.html
The Horned God in India and Europe

http://www.gaeltacht.info/gael_hindi.html
Paper II: Irish and Hindi: linguistic Connections

http://sivaloka.tripod.com/ancient_links.htm
Common Roots of Vedic and Celtic Culture and Spirituality

http://www.isle-of-skye.org.uk/celtic-encyclopaedia/celt_c2c.htm
Celtic Cross - Celts and Hindus

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http://www.centrostudilaruna.it/europeanceltsvedichindus.html
Common Ground of European Celts & Indian Vedic Hindus

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The Celtic-Vedic Connection : Source: Hinduism Today

1) Celtic cosmology cognizes four interrelating worlds of existence: netherworld, earth realm; heavenly realm of dead and demi-gods; white realm of supreme Deities and energy source of stars.

Vedic cosmology perceives three interrelating worlds-physical; astral world of dead and demi-gods; causal universe of Deities, Supreme Being and primal energy; plus a fourth netherworld.

2) These worlds further divided into lands and cities occupied by spirits and disincarnate people of similar character. Time is slower in these realms.

The three worlds divide into loka habitats of existence, occupied by spirits and like-minded disincarnate people. Time is dilated in the lokas.

3) Celtic earth realm is called bitus. Celtic Gods are called deuos, meaning "shining one."

Vedic earth world is called bhu. Gods of Vedas are invoked as deva, meaning "shining one."

4) Departed souls dwelled in refined or hellish lands until their next reincarnation as a human or animal.

At death, souls continue existence in subtle or hellish realms until entry into the next human or animal body.

5) Celtic priests taught that human souls were indestructible, but the universe ends and rebuilds through fire and water in a repeating cycle.

The universe existence span-called kalpa-ends in a repeating creation/destruction cycle through fire and water, symbolic of primal light and sound.

6) Celtic deities included Gods who actualized nature forces, promulgated ethics, justice, knowledge, speech, arts, crafts, medicine, harvests, gave war courage and battled forces of darkness, and Goddesses of land, rivers and motherhood. Gods often did multiple functions.

The early Vedic pantheon included deities of fire, solar, atmospheric and nature forces, ritual stimulants, speech, crafts, arts, harvests, medicine, justice, ethical/ecological order, war, battlers of malevolent beings, river Goddesses. Gods often had overlapping functions.

7) Celtic God of thunder was Taranus who carried thunderbolts. God of fire is Aedh (pronounced uh-ee), meaning fire. The sun Deity is Sulios. The Celtic word for invocation is gutuater.

Vedic God of rain and thunder was Indra who carried thunderbolts. Vedic God of fire is Agni, meaning fire. The solar Being is Surya. The Sanskrit term for invocation is hotar.

8) Celtic cosmology conceived of cosmic creation as a primal Person sacrifice. The Celt term for breath is anal. For soul, the Celt word is anam.

Vedic cosmology describes cosmic creation as the sacrifice of Primal Being. The Vedic word for breath is prana. The soul in the Vedas is atman.

9) The central Celtic ritual was the fire sacrifice, conducted in geometric pits with offerings of herbs, mead and flour cakes, conducted by chanting druids, the Celtic priests.

The central Vedic ritual was the fire sacrifice, performed in geometric pits with offerings of ghee, spices, rice-conducted by hymn- and-mantra-chanting brahmins.

10) Celtic priests were called druids, meaning "knowers of the tree, or truth." They memorized the entire knowledge of the Celts and passed it on orally, forbidding written transmission. They were divided into several classes: seers, judges, royal advisors, hymn chanters, poet bards, sacrificers. They were also astronomers, healers and magicians.

The Vedic priesthood-the brahmins-memorized the scriptural and societal law knowledge of the Hindus, passing it on orally, forbidding writing. Brahmins formed several divisions associated with the fire ritual duties. Enlightened brahmins became rishi seers. Others advised kings and some specialized in medicine and astronomy/astrology.

11) Druids studied for 20 years in strict discipleship to master their oral, ritual, law, science and psychic arts.

Brahmins studied for 12 years in a gurukulam to master oral, ritual, mathematical, astronomical knowledge.

12) Druids memorized extremely lengthy poetic sagas that communicated spiritual metaphysics and civic laws. The poetic metre was a fixed syllable line, free form, with 3-part cadence at end.

Bards of the Vedic literature memorized lengthy poetic sagas conveying spiritual knowledge and dharmic duty. The poetic metre was a fixed syllable line, free form, with 3-part cadence at end.

13) Druids practiced breathing, posture and meditation techniques that gave degrees of ecstasy, often accompanied by intense heat in the body.

Vedic ascetics practiced breathing, posture and meditation skills in a spiritual unfoldment process called tapas (heat), generating high body heat.

14) Celtic society was divided into three hierarchical stratas of life: priests, warriors and producers (inclusive of merchants). Druids advised warrior-kings known as rix. Upward progression through classes was possible.

Vedic society divided into four hierarchical castes: priests, warriors, merchants, workers. Brahmins counseled warrior-kings (rajas). Upward mobility was sanctioned in Vedas, but later frozen in societal law books.

15) Celts prized the magical power of telling truth, honor/piety among men and eloquence in conversation and oration.

Vedic society prized the supernatural power of truth-saying, piety and honor, and eloquence in gatherings.

16) Celts honored women, guarded their virtue, and allowed by law daughters of sonless fathers to inherit property or to marry kinsmen to bear male heirs to the father. Seeresses were sanctioned, and priestesses for Goddesses favored.

Vedic Hindus prized womanly virtues, and by law sonless fathers could bequeath property to daughters or arrange her marriage to relatives for male heirs. Female seers were countenanced, and female ascetics tended Goddess rites.

17) Celts recognized 8 forms of marriage from arranged to love to abduction. A bride gift was given by the groom.

Vedic Hindus followed 8 forms of marriage from arranged to love to abduction. The groom paid a bride price.

18) Celts defined life stages, columns of age: infancy (0-1), boyhood (2-11), adolescence (12-18), young adult (19-45), old age (46-65), decrepitude (65+) in which enlightening inspiration is sought.

Vedic society taught four ashrama stages of life: studentship (12- 24); family life (25-48); elder advisor (49-72); religious solitaire (72+), in which the individual seeks enlightenment.

19) The Celtic ideal measure of life was to live 100 years.

The Vedic ideal of a fulfilled life was to live 100 autumns.

20) Celt family unit was a group of four generations from a great- grandfather.

The ancient Hindu family unit is four generations from a great- grandfather.

21) One Celt calendar was based on 62 lunar months (5 years +) intercalated to a 3-year solar cycle for solstice correction. Druids studied stellar motion, navigation and contemplated such abstracts as the size and nature of the universe.

Vedic astronomy is based on lunar months daily aligned to star positions and related to 3-year and 5-year solar cycles. Vedic astronomy was applied to astrology, and the rishi seers contemplated the universe's nature and genesis.

22) By Celt law a man owed money could fast at the door of the debtor- who must join the fast-forcing the debtor to pay or enter an arbitration.

By Hindu law, a creditor could fast at the door of the past due debtor, who then was obligated to protect the health of the creditor and pay the debt.

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Irish Scholars: Irish and Indian the Same People

Source: THE CELTS By Gerhard Herm

Bryan Mcmahon, historian, scholar of folklore, teacher, a well known poet and much else besides, likes to test his favorite theories in practice and to retail them with all the skill and timing of a seasoned performer. He told me: Whenever I meet an Indian I take him to one side and hum the first lines of an Irish folk-song. Then I ask him to continue the melody as he likes; and, believe it or not, almost every time he will sing it to the end as if he already knew the song. Isn't that astonishing?

For me it is an indication that Indians and Irishmen have a common past; that, as I put it in one of my plays, "We Celts came from the Mysterious East."

The late Myles Dillon, formerly Prof of Celtic at U of Dublin cites a whole series of further astonishing parallels between the culture of the Aryan Indians and the Irish Druids. (Druid from Dru = Oak, Wid or Ved = Wisdom) His main contention is that in both cases there was a distinct class of scholars; the Brahmins in India, the highest reps in the Varna system; while in Ireland there were the 'wise men of the oak'. Dillon reckons that the Brahmins and the Druids should be equated because they carried out their profession-teaching and study, poetry and law-in a similar way.

There is evidence that this is so.

The principles by which justice was administered were similar, indeed identical with those in India. There a father with daughters but no sons could order one of them to take a man of his choice and produce a legal heir. Beyond the Hindu Kush mountains, such a girl was called putrika (she who takes the son's place) and in old Ireland ban-chomarba (female-heir). But who if not the Continental Celts can have told the Irish what was going on in the far east? Dillon further notes similarities: in both cultures there were 8 different forms of marriage, from arranged marriages, marriage by purchase and love- matches to kidnapping. In both cultures there was a strict distinction between inherited and earned property and when contracts were drawn up there was an exact statement as to who was to provide what guarantees before obtaining what he wanted. In one case it was the Brahmins and in the other the Druids who administered these principles.

All this, Dillon says, suggests that the Celtic Druids indeed represented the same tradition as the Hindu Brahmins... If we continue to feel our way along the parallels between India and Gaul, sooner or later we sense that the Druids were also political leaders, just as the Brahmins clearly stood above generals and warriors.

The Druids, Caesar says, taught that "souls do not disappear but wander from one body to another". Lucan in his Pharsalia - a verse epic about the Roman civil war - addressed them with the words: "If we understand you aright, death is only a pause in a long life." Does the fact that according to Scythian custom, crests depicted eagles, wolves, bears as ancestors reflect the conviction of these people that the spirit of the dead goes through many life-forms, human and animal, as the Hindus believe?

...Ancient author Diodorus's own most adventurous suggestion - "they still hold Pythagoras's belief in the immortality of the soul and rebirth." ...But since Pythagoras, with his strong influences from the east, was among the few great Hellenic philosophers who believed in the possibility of life after death, they could only conclude that his belief was related to the blonde barbarians (the Celts) or that they had taken theirs from him.

Celts and Karma

Norse Universe

Yggdrasil as a cosmic tree is sometimes called an ash and sometimes a yew. Yggdrasil, otherwise known as the World tree, grows out of the past, lives in the present and reaches toward the future. It nourishes all spiritual life and physical life. Its roots reach into all the worlds; its boughs hang above Asgard. Yggdrasil has three main roots which hold everything together. One root reaches into the well of Urd in Asgard, another into the Mimir of Midgard, and the third into the Spring of Hvelgelmir in Hel. ...

The World Tree is constantly under attack by evil creatures. ...

Of the nine worlds in the Norse Mythology, Asgard is on the highest level, with Alfheim to the east and Vanaheim to the west. The Prose Edda states that Midgard is in the center of Ginnungagap, an area of 11 rivers and frozen wasteland. It is Midgard that ties together all the other worlds. On the same level as Midgard is Svartalfheim to the south, Nidavellir to the east, and Jotunheim to the west. Below Midgard lie Hel and Nilfheim. The Aesir gods live in Asgard, the Vanir in Vanaheim, and the Light Elves in Alfheim or Ljossalfheim. ...

Niflheim is the world of the dead, ruled by the goddess Hel, while the kingdom Hel is realm of the dead, ruled by Urd. ...

Niflheim or Niflhel lies south of Midgard. It is an immense land of darkness and great cold, an area of torture for evil souls. To reach Niflheim, one has to travel downwards for nine days from Midgard on the Helway. This road goes through great forests and deep dark valleys, over high mountains. There is a deep black cave between the two levels of Midgard and Hel. Near the end of the Helway, the maiden Modgud guards the Gjallarbru or Gjoll. Beyond the bridge are the Hel gates (Helgrind) and behind them the Hall of Death. The Goddess Hel s palace is called Sleetcold or Sleet-Den. ...

Hel is the lower world Thingstead of the Gods. There the souls of the dead are judged by Odhinn, and rewards or punishments handed out. Even the Valkyries must first bring their chosen warriors to this Thingstead where they are accepted or rejected as unworthy.

At the lower world Thingstead, the Hamingjur (individual guarding spirits) can speak for an individual during judgement. If the person is evil he or she is deserted by his/her Hamingjur. Those souls judged good go to Hel where they live in eternal joy. Those condemned as evil are shackled and driven to Niflhel by the Dark Elves. They must drink burning venom and are subjected to the nine realms of torture.

Out of Norse Magick; By Rev. D.J. Conway. Llewllyn, ISBN 0-87542-137-7

New Proof Of Ancient India's Flourishing Trade With Rome

By Anand Parthasarathy, KOCHI 6-14-2

A gruelling nine-year-long international archaeological expedition in Egypt, has unearthed the most extensive evidence so far, of vigorous trade between India and the Roman Empire " 2000 years ago.

The project funded by Dutch and American agencies, at Berenike, on the Sudan-Egypt border along the shores of the Red Sea, has revealed that the location was the southern-most, military sea port of the Roman Empire in the first century A.D. and the key transfer point for a flourishing trade with India, whose magnitude was hitherto not known.

In major findings to be published in the July issue of the monthly scientific journal Sahara and announced today at the archaeological database website of the expedition, researchers report having unearthed the largest single cache of black pepper "about 8 kg" ever excavated from a Roman dig. They were able to establish that this variety was only grown in antiquity in South India.

Because of the drier weather of Egypt, the Berenike site preserved organic substances from India, like sail cloth, matting and baskets dating to AD 30-AD 70, all traces of which were destroyed in the more humid climate of the subcontinent.

In one of the surprise findings, the archaeologists also report stumbling on a Roman "trash dump" containing well-preserved evidence of Indian `batik' work and ancient printed textiles as well as ceramics.

All this leads archaeologists, Willeke Wendrich of the University of California, and Steven Sidebotham of the Delaware University to conclude in next month's paper that a "Spice Route" from India to Rome, existed long before the better known "Silk Route" to China.

They suggest that the goods traveled from the west coast Indian ports to Berenike by ships in the monsoon months, and were then transported by camel and Nile river boats, to the Mediterranean port of Alexandria, from where ships conveyed the cargo to Rome by sea.

This route was preferred for almost 50 years because the alternative land route through what is today Pakistan and Iran, passed through countries hostile to the Roman Empire.

"We talk about globalism as if it were the latest thing", Wendrich is quoted by the Associated Press as saying, but trade was going on in antiquity on a scale that is truly impressive".

The Berenike route was finally abandoned in AD 500 probably after a plague epidemic.

The new findings are said to establish what was long suspected - the central role that India played in the maritime trade 2000 years ago.

www.rense.com/general26/trade.htm
Berenike Project


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Roman Settlement of Kaveripattinam

Alexander the Great, born in 256 BC in Pella, Macedonia. At the age of thirteen he became a pupil of Aristotle. Alexander routed Darius and forced his entire army east. After this the city of Babylon surrendered, which allowed Alexander to easily capture Susa and Persepolis.

Darius was soon killed by one of his generals which made Alexander King of Asia. He did not rest for long, as he had set his sights on India. In 326 BC Alexander defeated Porus, the prince of India. Alexander was now at the height of his power. His empire stretched from the Ionian Sea to northern india. Alexander had greater plans. He wanted to combine Asia and Europe into one country, and named Babylon the new capital. The most profitable overseas trade was the Roman trade with South India. Yavana merchants (i.e. merchants from western Asia and the Mediterranean) had trading establishments both in the Satavahana kingdoms and in those of the far south. Early South Indian literature describes Yavan ships arriving with their cargoes at the city of Kaveripattinam. Excavations in 1945 uncovered a sizable Roman settlement which was a trading station, it would seem that the Roman were using Arikamedu from the first century BC to the early second century AD.

The frequency of hoards of Roman coins found in the Deccan and south India indicate the volume of this trade. Most of the urban centers of the south were ports which prospered on this trade. Western culture had its early birth in Greece and Rome. India came into contact with Greece politically in the days of Alexander the Great in the 4th century BC. But the cultural contact of the Greek as well as the Greece-Roman world with India was in all probability far earlier and lasted quite longer so far as South India was concerned. The Great Greek dramatists of the 4th century BC., particularly Euripides and Aristophanes, appear to have been familiar with the Kannada country and the Kannada language, and had actually used Kannada phrases and expressions in the dialogues of their characters. This shows a far more intimate contact of the Greeks with Kannada India culture than with Indian Culture elsewhere. Kannada and Tamil are two of the most ancient literature's not only of South India, but of all India as well. The antiquity of Kannada literature as at present back to the 9th century of the Christian era.

A study of Roman coins in south India forms a fascinating but little known chapter in the history of south India. A large number of Roman coins of gold and silver found in south India and Karnataka testify to a highly flourishing trade between India and Rome during the early part of the first century AD. In addition to these hoards of Roman coins, many antiquities and pottery having connections with Roman culture have been unearthed at many sites in this area. Further, there are a large number of references to Rome in Indian and Greek literary texts. All these point to an era of brilliant maritime contact between India and Rome in the early centuries of the Christian era.

Large number of Roman coins found in Karnataka were made of gold, silver and copper. From the beginning of the Christian era to the third century AD., Roman silver and gold coins were brought into this region for the purchase of Indian commodities which were in great demand in Rome. These coins have been found at various places in the Chera, Pandya and Chola countries in large numbers. These coins were often converted into Indian coins by a simple method.

REFERENCES: 1. Coins and Currency system N. Karnataka Dr. A.V. Narasimha Murthy.

The Sanskrit Dialect Known as English

By Neil Kalia Robinson

(Abstract of Paper to be Presented at WAVES 2002 Conference Being held at U of Mass. in Dartmouth, Mass.)

In western curriculum there is a tendency to exclude Sanskrit as a root to the English language. Numbers and alphabet are categorized as Roman or Arabic. There is however recognition of the Indo-Aryan or Indo European language group which Sanskrit is admittedly an elder member.

How important is the role of Sanskrit in regards to world languages and in this case English, possibly the most dominant language in the modern world?

It is imperative to note that the English language, except for the current written alphabet, is as close to ancient Sanskrit as Hindi, Bengali or any other dialect from India. And yes, English numerals are Sanskrit not Arabic or Roman.

It is helpful to understand that many English words have no intrinsic denominator without application or aid of Sanskrit.

The compound word San-Skrit, San; meaning whole, equal, complete, total or amount and Skrit; meaning script, scribe etc. Thus reveals the common basis and subtle collusion of English words to be non different than Sanskrit i.e. San; Sum, some, syn, same, sane, saint etc. all these English words meaning either whole, total, equal or even.

To opine that in time Sanskrit developed its refined status from a earlier more crude form of the Indo-European or other language family is herein questionable due to the vivid, concise depth of Sanskrit Syllabary and antiquated references

An example is given that the Name for the human race "Man" has come from "Manu" (Manoah, Noah, Nuh), the "Manvantara" descendant from the Vivasvan, the solar deity.

The word "Man" has no sufficient origins given in English. According to Vedic chronology the story of Manu stretches so far into antiquity that it no longer finds cohesive analogy in English literature, except perhaps in form of the Biblical story of Noah.

In United States of America we have no monarchy so the title "King" can only refer to periods and places where where it actually did or currently exist, such as The "Queen" of England. Yet we still use the word "King and Queen" in North America, because in the past it was used frequently in reference to actual monarchy.

Even though there are no lions in England the Kings where still known as lion hearted. Coats of arms often portrayed lions attributing the qualities of the lions to the kings such as courage, strength, chivalry, generosity and resourcefulness.

The old English spelling of King is "Cing" As in ancient Sanskrit appellation King, Cing, Singh, Simha or Simba (Swahili) for lion meaning powerful chief or leader.

The English language, full of such descendants perceived directly in relation to its sister dialects, Hindi and Bengali is no further remote from Sanskrit. Apparently Sanskrit similarly supplies integral structure and identifying roots of English.

Could the very word "Sanskrit" claim what it may well be a "Samskrit" or "complete alphabet" of a universal language originating from the subtlemost realm of consciousness?

Even Professor Max Mueller had to acknowledge the greatness of the Devanagari script admitting its very perfection and realizing its antecedent superiority. Vedic Sanskrit of Ancient India very possibly may contain the "perfect" contributing factor providing spiritual and metaphysical roots and reason to many branches of global languages.

Lakshmi-Hari Worship in Ancient Denmark

Dr Subhash Kak

One of the things you have mentioned is the Gundestrup Cauldron (Scientific American, March 1992), something that was unearthed in a peat bog in Denmark. Apparently it shows strong evidence -- including goddess-images similar to Lakshmi and Hariti and a god-image similar to Vishnu -- of cross-cultural connections between Indic civilizations and those of far northern Europe. You have also noted the apparent connections between Celtic/Druidic pre-Christian cultures of Europe and Hindu practices. Is this merely circumstantial evidence or does it prove conclusively that there was a migration of peoples westward from India, rather than eastwards into India (the Aryan Invasion Theory)?

There is whole host of evidence that proves that Indian ideas, if not people (that is apart from the gypsies), traveled from India to Europe. Indic people were apparently present in Palestine, Turkey, Babylon in the 2nd millennium BCE. The names of the ruling dynasties of these places and some Sanskritic inscriptions tell us this. The father of the beautiful Nefertiti, Queen of Egypt, was a king of the Near East named Tusharatha or Dasharatha.

The Puranas also say an Indian tribe called the Druhyus emigrated West. Whether they emigrated all the way to Europe, we cannot say. What is likely to have happened is that an Indic element became the political and religious aristocracy in many countries, all the way up to Europe. This may also explain the parallels between Indian and European mythology.

What are the parallels between Indian and European mythology?

We have these parallels at many levels: in names and in the grammar of the myths. Let's begin with names. There are two Rigvedic skygods, Varuna and Dyaus; the corresponding Greek skygods are Ouranos and Zeus. Similar to Agni and Bhaga we have the Slavic Ogun and Bogu. For Aryaman and Indra we have the Celtic Eremon and Andrasta; Ribhu and Ushas are the Greek Orpheus and Eos. The list goes on and on, and the most interesting thing is that the Vedic list is comprehensive and we see parts of it remembered in different parts of Europe suggesting that the Vedic is the original.

The Vedic gods belong to three categories: the terrestrial, the atmospheric, and the celestial, if we see them superficially, as the Indologists of the 19th century saw them. In reality, they represent categories in the spiritual firmament: they are shadows of the One. The Europeans also saw their mythology in similar terms which is why when the Greeks came to India they declared that Shiva and Krishna were like their own Dionysius and Herakles.

There are still deeper connections, and these have been examined by the scholar Georges Dumezil in a series of fascinating books. In Rome, the raj-brahmin dichotomy of India was paralleled by the rex-flamen division. The injunctions to the flamen -- the keeper of the flame -- are very similar to those to the brahmin. The gandharvas in India had a shadowy role related to music and fecundity; in Rome this was assigned to centaurs. Dumezil found enough parallels to fill five or six books. Joseph Campbell also wrote about these connections in his books, as have many others.

After the Old Religion of Europe was extinguished, Indian myths continued to influence Europe. From the lives of Krishna and Buddha a nascent Christianity adopted the stories of miraculous conception and birth, the star over the birthplace, the twelve disciples, and the various miracles. Parables such as that of the pious disciple whose faith makes it possible to walk on water, or the story where the master feeds his numerous disciples with a single cake or bread were borrowed. Medieval Christianity took some Indian Jataka tales and transformed them into accounts of Christian saints. The most famous of such instances is how a Buddha legend from the Lalitavistara became the story of Barlaam and Josaphat!

If there were was no Aryan Invasion, then what exactly happened to the Indus-Sarasvati civilization? A major civilization that spread some thousands of square miles and was apparently quite sophisticated cannot simply vanish.

It never vanished. There was a shift of population after the economy around the Sarasvati river collapsed due to the drying up of the river. People moved to the east and to the northwest and to the south. There was no break in the cultural tradition. The same ceramic styles continued. Only the level of prosperity went down. The Vedic books also speak of a period when the rishis went to the forests, the age of the Aranyakas. The Puranic books speak of a catastrophe in 1924 BCE.

Your work in archaeo-astronomy suggests unambiguously that the Max Mueller chronology of the Vedas must be rejected and that the Rig Veda must be dated not to ca. 1500 BCE, but to ca. 3000 BCE. What is the impact of this?

Well if not 3000 BCE, certainly prior to 2000 BCE. Max Mueller was absolutely wrong. What is the impact of the new dates? It changes the history of ancient India and that of the rest of the ancient world. It gives a centrality to India in world history.

Your recent book with Georg Feuerstein and David Frawley, In Search of the Cradle of Civilization (Quest Books, Indian edition to be published by Motilal Banarsidass, Delhi), suggests that in fact India was the site of the very first civilization, not Sumer in Iraq. If this is true, then India has not only the oldest continuous and surviving civilization, but in fact it is the birthplace of civilization. Could you elaborate on this?

Look, India has had cultural continuity for at least 10,000 years. Before that we had a rock-art tradition which, according to some estimates, goes back to 40,000 BCE. Not only are we one of the most ancient civilizations, we have found in India the record of the earliest astronomy, geometry, mathematics, and medicine. Artistic, philosophical and religious impulses, central to the history of mankind, arose first in India.

You have done considerable research on the structure of the fire altars in Scriptural ritual (The Astronomical Code of the Rigveda, Aditya Prakashan, New Delhi), and you have demonstrated that there was a very formal and mathematical basis to the construction of these. Could you explain?

Vedic Indians were scientific. They believed in laws of nature. They represented their astronomy in terms of the altar constructions. One problem they considered was that of the synchronization of the lunar and the solar years: the lunar year is about 11 days shorter than the solar year and if we add a round number of days every few years to make up for the discrepancy, we find we cannot do it elegantly unless we have a correction cycle of 95 years or its multiples. This 95-year cycle is described in the earliest Vedic prose books.

The altars were to be built to slightly larger dimensions each year of the cycle to represent the corrections. There were other symbolic constructions. Like building a square altar (representing the sky) with the same area as a circular altar (representing the earth), which is the problem of squaring the circle. This led to the discovery of the earliest geometry. They were aware that the sun and the moon were at 108 times their own diameters from the earth.

These fire altars are at this time obsolete, right? Nobody uses them any more, or is that not so? The only time I have heard of them before reading your work was when I read of an impoverished Nambudiri (Kerala brahmin) family whose illam or house was being sold, and they had fire altars in the shape of a falcon, and the old head of the household said this 5,000-year-old tradition was dying because they couldn't afford the rituals any more.

It is a great pity that we are letting our cultural and civilizational treasures die right before our . We must do whatever we can to preserve and celebrate this heritage.

You have mentioned a connection, apparently evident in the Vedas, between internal and external things -- for instance between the rhythms in the human body and astronomical cycles. Could you elaborate?

A central Vedic belief was that there are connections between the outer and the inner. The rishis declared that it was due to these connections that we are enabled to know the world. One dramatic aspect of these connections are the biological cycles which run the same periods as various astronomical cycles. For example, the Purusha Hymn of the Rigveda says that the mind is born of the moon. Just recently, by research on volunteers, who stayed in underground caves for months without any watches or other cues about time, it was found that the natural cycle for the mind is 24 hours and 50 minutes. The period of the moon is also 24 hours and 50 minutes. Our clock is reset every day by daylight!

The connections between the outer and the inner were also represented by other symbols. The 108 sun diameters from the earth of the sun were paralleled by the 108 beads of the rosary for a symbolic spiritual journey from the normal state to one of illumination.

I have read the book edited by you and Dr TRN Rao (Computing Science in Ancient India, University of Southwestern Louisiana Press) on some surprising mathematics: pi to many decimal places, Sayana's accurate calculation of the speed of light, hashing algorithms, the binary number system of Sanskrit meters -- are these mere coincidences or is there conclusive evidence of advanced mathematics?

The binary number system, hashing, various codes, mathematical logic (Navya Nyaya), or a formal framework that is equivalent to programming all arose in ancient India. This is all well known and it is acknowledged by scholars all over the world. I shouldn't forget to tell you that a most advanced calculus, math and astronomy arose in Kerala several centuries before Newton.

In particular, I am amazed, as a layman, by the evidence that Sayana, circa 1300 CE, who was prime minister at the court of the Vijayanagar Emperor Bukka I, calculated the speed of light to be 2,202 yojanas in half a nimesha, which does come to 186,536 miles per second. (more)

Truly mind-boggling! The speed of light was first measured in the West only in the late 17th century. So how could the Indians have known it? If you are a sceptic, then you will say it is a coincidence that somehow dropped out of the assumptions regarding the solar system. If you are a believer in the powers of the mind, you would say that it is possible to intuit (in terms of categories that you have experienced before) outer knowledge. This latter view is the old Indian knowledge paradigm. If it were generally accepted it would mean an evolution in science much greater than the revolution of modern physics.

It is also well-known that the Vedic or Puranic idea of the age of the universe is some 8 billion years, which is of the order of magnitude of what has been estimated by modern astrophysicists. Is this also a mere coincidence?

Again, either a coincidence, or the rishis were capable of supernormal wisdom. Don't forget that the Indian texts also speak about things that no other civilization thought of until this century. I am speaking of air and space travel, embryo transplantation, multiple births from the same embryo, weapons of mass destruction (all in the Mahabharata), travel through domains where time is slowed, other galaxies and universes, potentials very much like quantum potential (Puranas). If nothing else, we must salute the rishis for the most astonishing and uncanny imagination.

You also suggest that that the modern computer science term for context-free languages, the Backus-Naur Form, should more accurately be called the Panini-Backus Form, since Sanskrit grammarian Panini invented the notion of completely and unambiguously defined grammars (and devised one such for Sanskrit) as early as about 500 BCE.

Oh yes, all this is well established and well known, as also the Indian development of mathematical logic.

How has the reaction been in scholarly circles to some of these discoveries and conjectures of yours, which do turn conventional wisdom on its head? In India, you are aware, some of your views would have you branded as "reactionary", "Hindu fundamentalist", etc.

My work has been received most enthusiastically in scholarly circles both in the West and India. I have written several scores of scholarly articles and reviews and am in the process of writing major essays for leading encyclopaedias. School texts in California and other American states have been rewritten. Likewise, new college texts in the US speak of these new findings. We are talking here of hard scientific facts, they can neither be "fundamentalist" nor "reactionary". But I am aware that some ignorant ideologues in India may actually pin pejorative labels on this work. This only creates opportunities to bring facts to the attention of such people. I am ever hopeful of converting more and more people!

How has your work in the history of science affected your research in computing science?

Surprisingly, it has strengthened my technical work. It has provided me a focus and a perspective. It has also given me the courage to work on fundamental problems.

What do you attribute this to? Is this because it is a matter of self- image? Indians have always been self-effacing, and perhaps not believing in themselves much?

Self-image is a central factor in our development. We eventually become what we want to become. We need faith in ourselves. That is why a cultural focus is so crucial. I think our current self- effacement is a result of the negative stereotyping we have experienced for generations. Our school books talk about Socrates, Plato and Aristotle -- and rightly so -- but they don't mention Yajnavalkya, Panini and Patanjali, which is a grave omission. Our grand boulevards in Delhi and other cities are named after Copernicus, Kepler and Newton, but there are no memorials to Aryabhata, Bhaskara, Madhava and Nilakantha!

Is self-image, then, sufficient reason for us to explore the past?

It could be a sufficient reason for some. For others, it is one of the many impulses that guides them in their personal journeys.

Is there something that your Web readers can do to take some of this research forward? Any references or other suggestions?

There is so much to be done to spread the knowledge of Indian history. For at least 50 years, Indian intellectual life was stifled by a Stalinist attitude. And before that, for two centuries, colonialist historians appropriated Indian past for their own purposes. What they left for us was a mutilated version of our past. We are barely emerging from that hell. We need more people to actively carry forward this research. We also need institutions -- private foundations, perhaps -- that ensure that our historiography will remain vital, critical and devoted to truth.

Any messages from you for your diasporic readers?

Pay attention to Indian and world history, there is much to be learned from the past. Also go to the springwells of Indian tradition, you'll find great treasure. Indian ideas provided central themes to the American transcendentalists in the early 19th century which led to American culture as we know it. I believe even more vital Indian ideas will transform world culture in the coming decades, and if you choose to be the interpreters of these ideas to the modern world you would have participated in the most wondrous drama of our times!

Vedic Croatia

Kaivalyapati das

There is a lot of evidence here in Croatia. I met one very famous academic Kujundjic and he showed me his book in which he gives different proofs that Croatians came originally from Iran (Aryan). I will not write about that I just put this to make connections with my following descriptions:

1. When old Croatians came on the Adriatic coast they have sikhas on their heads. This I found on one painting of a famous Croatian painter from last century.

2. The national symbol of Croatia is red and white chess fields. interesting I saw on Navadvip mandala parikrama Bengali painting the walls of houses with colors in the form of chess fields (I have photo). On the national symbol there is also lion with three head's like on the one rupee coin.

3. Sanskrit word hriyate means 'passes away', in Croatian language we are writing Hrvatska for Croatia (Hrvat for Croat). Possibly because they passed away from Iran. They where known like Sun warriors because they worship Svanimira (Surya).

4. They where cruelly killed and forced by Christians to accept christianity. Before they worshiped demigods.

Brahma-Svetovid ( one who sees in all directions)
Surya-Svanimir (means rising of the sun)
Varuna-Vodan
Indra-Ilija

I lost my long list with all names.

3.There are legend about beautiful girls called Vilas (apsaras). The legend said that they are not from this planet earth but from heaven. They are coming regularly on one mountain, Velebit. Many people saw them, talked with them, even mixing with them. They where sometimes good or bad. There are famous Croatian song about them: "Oj, ti Vilo, Vilo Velebita ti naseg roda diko"... (Oh,you vila-apsara, apsara from mountain Velebit, you are the gift of our nation).

4. The marriage ceremony was same like in Krishna book (Vasudeva and Devaki) as now.

5. Language has many words same or similar like sanskrit: Ana-grain, tadiya-tulasi leaves, mati or mama for mother, tata-father, jedan-eka, dva-dva, tri-tri, chetiri-catur, pet-pancha... deset-dasha, tama-tama, baba roga-bhava roga (material disease), udariti (to beat somebody)-uddharet, Eva-eva, Tada-tada, Svi-Sarve, Ovu-etam, Tvoj-tava, ca-ca, veliki ratnik-maha-ratha, ta-tat, svuda-sarvesu, vibha-vantah, shkoljka-sankham, jaram-yukte, sjedeci-sthitau etc... Almost in every Bhagavad Gita sloka I find 1-3 same or similar words. There is more evidence but in this moment I cannot remember more then this.

Vedic Macedonia

Vrin Parker

In 1977, a royal tomb was found at Vergina, near Saloniaca, in Macedonia, Greece. All the evidence proves it to be the tomb of King Philip, the father of Alexander the Great. However, Western scholars were puzzled because of the many artifacts, within the tomb of an obvious Indian/Vedic nature. Because of these artifacts, some experts dated the tomb to a time after Alexander's. This theory is no longer being accepted.

In Michael Wood's series, In the Footsteps of Alexander the Great, he presents 2 sculpted portraits of Alexander and Philip. Archeologists accept these sculpted portraits of Alexander as the only ones made during his lifetime. Philip's portrait is also recognized as being made in his lifetime.

Where were these portraits found? They were found in the Macedonian tomb, discovered in 1977, thus confirming that the tomb is definitely from before Alexander's march to Asia.

King Philip of Macedonia

Because the tomb is full of Vedic/Indian style artifacts, this is solid proof that Greek culture had a strong connection to India, long before Alexander's time. The tomb in question has also been accepted as the tomb of King Philip on the series War and Civilization. The body interned in the tomb, fits every ancient description of King Philip. Without a doubt, it is the tomb of King Philip.

The question is, "Why does King Philip's tomb have so many Indian influences? How is it possible if the Greek and Indian cultures had no direct contact until Alexander's Asian campaigns?"

The answer is simple. Because Greek culture is an offshoot of Vedic culture, it is only logical that there would be strong Indian influences in Greek art, religion and culture. The tomb of King Philip is also more than proof of Greece's vedic past.

It is also a smoking gun exposing the extreme prejudice involved in the cover up of the world's ancient vedic heritage. Though western scholars are now admitting the tomb to be Philip's, they are staying mute about the evidences proving Greece's Vedic heritage. On one hand, western academics are using these tomb artifacts to promote various theories, and on the other hand, they are ignoring the artifacts that prove their theories wrong. Because there is no doubt about the Vedic artifacts found in this one case, one wonders as to how much other evidence is out there that has been ignored and perhaps even destroyed. It is obvious that the current mainstream academic community, has made it's mind about world history. Any evidence that contradicts their theories, is not accepted. rather than change their pet theories, these so-called scholars are willing to change the historic record and force it to conform to their views. This is the great perversion of truth that is being perpetrated on the world at large. It is even more ironic that this is being done by the very people, i.e. the historians, who have a duty to research and present a true and accurate record of the world's ancient past.

Vedic evidence in Russia

Madana-mohana das

A couple of weeks ago one devotee from Odessa (Southern Russian city) told me he personally saw in a museum over there three small dolls looking EXACTLY like Lord Jagannatha, Baladeva and Subhadra. They were digged from a barrow around 1000 year old and were found on human remains buried there, placed on a neck. The figures were ordered on the neck exactly in the same sequence - first yellowish Lord Balarama, than white Subhadra, than blackish Jagannath. They were made of metal and covered with enamel. Interesting enough, the deities were two-faced - there were exactly the same appearances of their faces at their flip sides. The museum attandants had not a clue as to who the images were. The devotee promised to make pictures of them.

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Vedik Europe

Bulgaria
Celtic links (England, Ireland, Scotland)
Greece
Ireland
Italy
Macedonia

http://www.stephen-knapp.com/

http://www.stephen-knapp.com/photogr..._influence.htm

http://www.stephen-knapp.com/art_photo_eight.htm

roma, romans, the dress, pantheon of gods, the roman women wearing saris, bindis on theri foreheads etc

http://www.stephen-knapp.com/art_photo_sixteen.htm

The British coronation chair in Westminster Abbey in London. It has lions at its four legs. (Only two front ones are seen in this photo.) This is because England's royal tradition is of Hindu origin. A Hindu king has to be crowned on a Simhasana, i.e. a Lion's Seat. The almond-colored square stone (seen in the shelf under the seat) is an ancient Hindu memento carried from Delhi, i.e. Indraprastha by Hindu warriors when they first set up throne in the distant British isles.

[The following is a different caption under a replica copy of the same photograph in the album.]

It is no coincidence that this coronation chair of British royalty in Westminster Abbey, London, is literally a Lion's seat (simhasan) as it is called in Hindu tradition. A cutpiece of an ancient Shiva Lingam serving several vicissitudes may also be seen reverently placed in the compartment under the royal seat. The sacred stone is known as the Stone of Destiny (Bhagyavidhata) alias stone of Scone (because it was brought from a church in the city of Scone in Scotland, to London in 1296 A.D.). But before being brought to Scotland, it was at the Hill of Tara (Taragarh) in Ireland. Thus, these two, i.e. the Simhasan & Shiva Lingam reaching back into immemorial antiquity, are significant proof of Britain having once been a Hindu country ruled by Hindu Kings. The lions are also of the Burmese and Mysorean Hindu design.


http://www.mythicalireland.com/ancientsites/tara/

The Hill of Tara, known as Temair in gaeilge, was once the ancient seat of power in Ireland – 142 kings are said to have reigned there in prehistoric and historic times. In ancient Irish religion and mythology Temair was the sacred place of dwelling for the gods, and was the entrance to the otherworld. Saint Patrick is said to have come to Tara to confront the ancient religion of the pagans at its most powerful site.

One interpretation of the name Tara says that it means a "place of great prospect" and indeed on a clear day it is claimed that features in half the counties of Ireland can be seen from atop Tara. In the distance to the northwest can be seen the brilliant white quartz front of Newgrange and further north lies the Hill of Slane, where according to legend St. Patrick lit his Pascal fire prior to his visit to Tara in 433 AD.


Early in the 20th century a group of Israelites came to Tara with the conviction that the Arc of the Covenant was buried in on the famous hill. They dug the Mound of the Synods in search of the Arc but found only some Roman coins. Official excavation in the 1950s revealed circles of post holes, indicating the construction of substantial buildings here. A new theory suggests Tara was the ancient capital of the lost kingdom of Atlantis. The mythical land of Atlantis was Ireland, according to a new book.

There are a large number of monuments and earthen structures on the Hill of Tara. The earliest settlement at the site was in the Neolithic, and the Mound of the Hostages was constructed in or around 2500BC. There are over thirty monuments which are visible, and probably as many again which have no visible remains on the surface but which have been detected using special non-intrusive archaeological techniques and aerial photography. A huge temple measuring 170 metres and made of over 300 wooden posts, was discovered recently at Tara. Only two monuments at Tara have been excavated - The Mound of the Hostages in the 1950s, and the Rath of the Synods at the turn of the 19th-20th Centuries. Click here to see a comprehensive map of the monuments on Tara. Click here for the Tara photo gallery.

Map of Tara

The Stone of Destiny
Sitting on top of the King's Seat (Forradh) of Temair is the most famous of Tara's monuments - Ireland's ancient coronation stone - the Lia Fail or "Stone of Destiny", which was brought here according to mythology by the godlike people, the Tuatha Dé Danann, as one of their sacred objects. It was said to roar when touched by the rightful king of Tara.


WHICH STONE?

Formerly located just north of the Mound of the Hostages (see map), it was moved to its current site after the Battle of Tara during the Irish revolution of 1798 to mark the graves of 400 rebels who died here. Some say the true Stone of Destiny was formerly the Pillow of Jacob from the Old Testament. They also claim it was flat and that it was moved from Tara by King Fergus of Scotland and was named the Stone of Scone which then became the coronation stone of British kings at Westminster Cathedral. Many historians accept that the present granite pillar at Tara is the true Stone of Destiny, but a number of people have argued that the Stone of Scone is in fact the real thing. One legend states that it was only one of four stones positioned at the cardinal directions on Tara - and it is interesting to note that the Hall of Tara, the ancient political centre of Ireland, is aligned North-South.

The following verse is from the Dindshenchas story about how Tara got its name:

Cathair Crofhind ('twas not amiss), was its name under the Tuatha De Danand, till there came Tea, never unjust, the wife of Erimon lofty of mien.

Round her house was built a rampart, by Tea daughter of Lugaid;
she was buried beyond the wall without, so that from her is Temair named.

The Seat of the Kings was its name: the kingly line of the Milesians reigned in it: five names accordingly were given it from the time when it was Fordruim till it was Temair. Read the rest here.

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Our Druid Cousins
By Peter Berresford Ellis
Hinduism Today 2/2000

Meet the brahmins of ancient Europe, the high caste of Celtic society.

The Celtic people spread from their homeland in what is now Germany across Europe in the first millennium bce. Iron tools and weapons rendered them superior to their neighbors. They were also skilled farmers, road builders, traders and inventors of a fast two-wheeled chariot. They declined in the face of Roman, Germanic and Slavic ascendency by the second centuries bce. Here Peter Berresford Ellis, one of Europe’s foremost experts of the Celts, explains how modern research has revealed the amazing similarities between ancient Celt and Vedic culture. The Celt’s priestly caste, the Druids, has become a part of modern folklore. Their identity is claimed by New Age enthusiasts likely to appear at annual solstice gatherings around the ancient megaliths of northwest Europe. While sincerely motivated by a desire to resurrect Europe’s ancient spiritual ways, Ellis says these modern Druids draw more upon fanciful reconstructions of the 18th century than actual scholarship.

The Druids of the ancient Celtic world have a startling kinship with the brahmins of the Hindu religion and were, indeed, a parallel development from their common Indo-European cultural root which began to branch out probably five thousand years ago. It has been only in recent decades that Celtic scholars have begun to reveal the full extent of the parallels and cognates between ancient Celtic society and Vedic culture.

The Celts were the first civilization north of the European Alps to emerge into recorded history. At the time of their greatest expansion, in the 3rd century bce, the Celts stretched from Ireland in the west, through to the central plain of Turkey in the east; north from Belgium, down to Cadiz in southern Spain and across the Alps into the Po Valley of Italy. They even impinged on areas of Poland and the Ukraine and, if the amazing recent discoveries of mummies in China’s province of Xinjiang are linked with the Tocharian texts, they even moved as far east as the area north of Tibet.

The once great Celtic civilization is today represented only by the modern Irish, Manx and Scots, and the Welsh, Cornish and Bretons. Today on the northwest fringes of Europe cling the survivors of centuries of attempted conquest and “ethnic cleansing” by Rome and its imperial descendants. But of the sixteen million people who make up those populations, only 2.5 million now speak a Celtic language as their mother tongue.

The Druids were not simply a priesthood. They were the intellectual caste of ancient Celtic society, incorporating all the professions: judges, lawyers, medical doctors, ambassadors, historians and so forth, just as does the brahmin caste. In fact, other names designate the specific role of the “priests.” Only Roman and later Christian propaganda turned them into “shamans,” “wizards” and “magicians.” The scholars of the Greek Alexandrian school clearly described them as a parallel caste to the brahmins of Vedic society.

The very name Druid is composed of two Celtic word roots which have parallels in Sanskrit. Indeed, the root vid for knowledge, which also emerges in the Sanskrit word Veda, demonstrates the similarity. The Celtic root dru which means “immersion” also appears in Sanskrit. So a Druid was one “immersed in knowledge.”

Because Ireland was one of the few areas of the Celtic world that was not conquered by Rome and therefore not influenced by Latin culture until the time of its Christianization in the 5th century ce, its ancient Irish culture has retained the most clear and startling parallels to Hindu society.

Professor Calvert Watkins of Harvard, one of the leading linguistic experts in his field, has pointed out that of all the Celtic linguistic remains, Old Irish represents an extraordinarily archaic and conservative tradition within the Indo-European family. Its nominal and verbal systems are a far truer reflection of the hypothesized parent tongue, from which all Indo-European languages developed, than are Classical Greek or Latin. The structure of Old Irish, says Professor Watkins, can be compared only with that of Vedic Sanskrit or Hittite of the Old Kingdom.

The vocabulary is amazingly similar. The following are just a few examples:

Old Irish - aire (noble) | arya (freeman), Sanskrit
Old Irish - naib (good) | noeib (holy), Sanskrit
Old Irish - bodhar (deaf) | badhira (deaf), Sanskrit
Old Irish - nemed (respect) | names (respect), Sanskrit
Old Irish - righ or rí* (king) | raja (king), Sanskrit

[*Corrected from the original to what I believe is actually correct. - Aine]

This applies not only in the field of linguistics but in law and social custom, in mythology, in folk custom and in traditional musical form. The ancient Irish law system, the Laws of the Fénechus, is closely parallel to the Laws of Manu. Many surviving Irish myths, and some Welsh ones, show remarkable resemblances to the themes, stories and even names in the sagas of the Indian Vedas.

Comparisons are almost endless. Among the ancient Celts, Danu was regarded as the “Mother Goddess.” The Irish Gods and Goddesses were the Tuatha De Danaan (”Children of Danu”). Danu was the “divine waters” falling from heaven and nurturing Bí*le, the sacred oak from whose acorns their children sprang. Moreover, the waters of Danu went on to create the great Celtic sacred river–Danuvius, today called the Danube. Many European rivers bear the name of Danu–the Rhí´ne (ro-Dhanu, “Great Danu”) and several rivers called Don. Rivers were sacred in the Celtic world, and places where votive offerings were deposited and burials often conducted. The Thames, which flows through London, still bears its Celtic name, from Tamesis, the dark river, which is the same name as Tamesa, a tributary of the Ganges.

Not only is the story of Danu and the Danube a parallel to that of Ganga and the Ganges but a Hindu Danu appears in the Vedic story “The Churning of the Oceans,” a story with parallels in Irish and Welsh mytholgy. Danu in Sanskrit also means “divine waters” and “moisture.”

In ancient Ireland, as in ancient Hindu society, there was a class of poets who acted as charioteers to the warriors They were also their intimates and friends. In Irish sagas these charioteers extolled the prowess of the warriors. The Sanskrit Satapatha Brahmana says that on the evening of the first day of the horse sacrifice (and horse sacrifice was known in ancient Irish kingship rituals, recorded as late as the 12th century) the poets had to chant a praise poem in honor of the king or his warriors, usually extolling their genealogy and deeds.

Such praise poems are found in the Rig Veda and are called narasamsi. The earliest surviving poems in old Irish are also praise poems, called fursundud, which trace back the genealogy of the kings of Ireland to Golamh or Mile Easpain, whose sons landed in Ireland at the end of the second millennium bce. When Amairgen, Golamh’s son, who later traditions hail as the “first Druid,” set foot in Ireland, he cried out an extraordinary incantation that could have come from the Bhagavad Gita, subsuming all things into his being.

Celtic cosmology is a parallel to Vedic cosmology. Ancient Celtic astrologers used a similar system based on twenty-seven lunar mansions, called nakshatras in Vedic Sanskrit. Like the Hindu Soma, King Ailill of Connacht, Ireland, had a circular palace constructed with twenty-seven windows through which he could gaze on his twenty-seven “star wives.”

There survives the famous first century bce Celtic calendar (the Coligny Calendar) which, as soon as it was first discovered in 1897, was seen to have parallels to Vedic calendrical computations. In the most recent study of it, Dr. Garret Olmsted, an astronomer as well as Celtic scholar, points out the startling fact that while the surviving calendar was manufactured in the first century bce, astronomical calculus shows that it must have been computed in 1100 bce.

One fascinating parallel is that the ancient Irish and Hindus used the name Budh for the planet Mercury. The stem budh appears in all the Celtic languages, as it does in Sanskrit, as meaning “all victorious,” “gift of teaching,” “accomplished,” “enlightened,” “exalted” and so on. The names of the famous Celtic queen Boudicca, of ancient Britain (1st century ce), and of Jim Bowie (1796-1836), of the Texas Alamo fame, contain the same root. Buddha is the past participle of the same Sanskrit word–”one who is enlightened.”

For Celtic scholars, the world of the Druids of reality is far more revealing and exciting, and showing of the amazingly close common bond with its sister Vedic culture, than the inventions of those who have now taken on the mantle of modern “Druids,” even when done so with great sincerity.

If we are all truly wedded to living in harmony with one another, with nature, and seeking to protect endangered species of animal and plant life, let us remember that language and culture can also be in ecological danger. The Celtic languages and cultures today stand on the verge of extinction. That is no natural phenomenon but the result of centuries of politically directed ethnocide. What price a “spiritual awareness” with the ancient Celts when their culture is in the process of being destroyed or reinvented? Far better we seek to understand and preserve intact the Celt’s ancient wisdom. In this, Hindus may prove good allies.

The Song of Amairgen the Druid

I am the wind that blows across the sea; I am the wave of the ocean;
I am the murmur of the billows; I am the bull of the seven combats;
I am the vulture on the rock; I am a ray of the sun; I am the fairest of flowers;
I am a wild boar in valor; I am a salmon in the pool; I am a lake on the plain;
I am the skill of the craftsman; I am a word of science;
I am the spearpoint that gives battle;
I am the God who creates in the head of man the fire of thought.
Who is it that enlightens the assembly upon the mountain, if not I?
Who tells the ages of the moon, if not I?
Who shows the place where the sun goes to rest, if not I?
Who is the God that fashions enchantments–
The enchantment of battle and the wind of change?

Amairgen was the first Druid to arrive in Ireland. Ellis states, “In this song Amairgen subsumes everything into his own being with a philosophic outlook that parallels the declaration of Krishna in the Hindu Bhagavad-Gita.” It also is quite similar in style and content to the more ancient Sri Rudra chant of the Yajur Veda.

Peter Berresford Ellis is one of the foremost living authorities on the Celts and author of many books on the subject, including “Celt and Roman,” “Celt and Greek,” “Dictionary of Celtic Mythology” and “Celtic Women.” PETER BERRESFORD ELLIS, 30 GRESLEY ROAD, LONDON, N19 3JZ, ENGLAND

Source : A Tribute to Hinduism

DeDanaan
http://dedanaan.com/untilled-fields-of-irish-history/a-celtic-chronology/
A Celtic Chronology
Filed by Aine MacDermot
A Celtic Chronology : From Russia’s Steppes to America’s Door; From Kurgans to Americans

Compiled by Gerard Patrick Moran, 1998
Additional notes, minor corrections, and notations by Aine MacDermot.

Most all the early information in this chronology is based on an oral tradition that was written many hundreds of years later, so that fact and legend often became confused. Much of it , distilled of elaboration, has been supported by archaeological studies.

3000BC A nomadic people of the Russian Steppe (from the lower Volga River past the Caspian Sea and Lake Aral to the lower Yenesei River in Siberia), the Kurgan, tame the horse. These people buried their dead in mounds. The name, ‘kurgan’, is Russian for mound. Some historians call these peoples the Ur people.

2400 The mounted Kurgan move to the north Black Sea area invading and mixing with a culture known as the North Pontic, who lived on the Dnieper River on the north bank of the Black Sea. Their name came from the old name for the Black Sea which was Pontus Euxeinos. From there the North Pontic-Kurgan peoples invaded southeast into the area inhabited by a culture known as Trans-Caucasian. These people lived on both sides of the Caucasus Mountains. From the merging of these people a new people known as the Indo-Europeans developed. The Indo-European language presaged the following languages:

http://dedanaan.com/vedic-origins-children-of-danu/
Vedic Origins : Children of Danu
Filed by Aine MacDermot
Vedic Origins of the Europeans: The Danavas, Children of Danu

From: The Rig Veda and the History of India (Rig Veda Bharata Itihasa)
By David Frawley
(Aditya Prakashan, August 2001)
©2001 American Institute of Vedic Studies

Permission was granted by the author, in writing, to DeDanaan.com, 05 Mar 2003, to repost the article in its entirety.

Note: This article shows how the Proto-European Aryans, like the Celts, were originally a Vedic people called the Danavas or Sudanavas (good Danavas) connected to Vedic kings, sages and yogis.

Many ancient European peoples, particularly the Celts and Germans, regarded themselves as children of Danu, with Danu meaning the Mother Goddess, who was also, like Sarasvati in the Rig Veda, a river Goddess. The Celts called themselves “Tuatha De Danaan”, while the Germans had a similar name. Ancient European river names like the Danube and various rivers called Don in Russia, Scotland, England and France reflect this, as do place names like Den-mark (Danava-Marga), to mention but a few. The Danube which flows to the Black Sea is their most important river and could reflect their eastern origins.

In fact, the term Danu or Danava (the plural of Danu) appears to form the substratum of Indo-European identity at the base of the Hellenic, Illyro-Venetic, Italo-Celtic, Germanic and Balto-Slavic elements. The northern Greeks were also called Danuni. Therefore, the European Aryans could probably all be called Danavas.

http://dedanaan.com/vedic-origins-children-of-danu/our-druid-cousins/
Our Druid Cousins
Filed by Aine MacDermot
Our Druid Cousins
By Peter Berresford Ellis
Hinduism Today 2/2000

Meet the brahmins of ancient Europe, the high caste of Celtic society.

The Celtic people spread from their homeland in what is now Germany across Europe in the first millennium bce. Iron tools and weapons rendered them superior to their neighbors. They were also skilled farmers, road builders, traders and inventors of a fast two-wheeled chariot. They declined in the face of Roman, Germanic and Slavic ascendency by the second centuries bce. Here Peter Berresford Ellis, one of Europe’s foremost experts of the Celts, explains how modern research has revealed the amazing similarities between ancient Celt and Vedic culture. The Celt’s priestly caste, the Druids, has become a part of modern folklore. Their identity is claimed by New Age enthusiasts likely to appear at annual solstice gatherings around the ancient megaliths of northwest Europe. While sincerely motivated by a desire to resurrect Europe’s ancient spiritual ways, Ellis says these modern Druids draw more upon fanciful reconstructions of the 18th century than actual scholarship.

The Druids of the ancient Celtic world have a startling kinship with the brahmins of the Hindu religion and were, indeed, a parallel development from their common Indo-European cultural root which began to branch out probably five thousand years ago. It has been only in recent decades that Celtic scholars have begun to reveal the full extent of the parallels and cognates between ancient Celtic society and Vedic culture.

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thanks to tsarion

GAELIC
Comes from Gal, meaning white or pure. It has the secondary meaning of "foreigner," connoting a stranger from far away. May originate with the Sumerian, Ab-Gal, meaning "masters of wisdom." One of the great Celtic tribes was called the Fir Bolg, incorrectly and habitually translated as "Men of the Bags," when in fact it really means the "Men of Wisdom."

ogham is from sumeria/persia.

ABRAHAM
From the Sanskrit Vedas, Brahma, god of creation. His consort was Saraswati. Curiously, the consort of Abraham, father of the Hebrews, was Sarah. This god gave his name to the Bacchus of the Romans and also to their Brumalia, or winter solstice. This word though Latin actually derives from Brahma, the supreme creator god of the Hindus, god who may be equated in some ways with Saturn or Kronos. The connection between the Brahmins and the Romans had been carefully camouflaged

CHRIST (JESUS)
Comes from Egyptian Karast, meaning Anointed. This gives Caress, Cast, Krishna. The Chaldean name of the sun was CHRIS. Karast means to Caress with Oil (hence Crisco oil). Christ was called the "Anointed One," accordingly. The name Krishna also gives rise to Tristna or Tristan (Arthurian legend). Both had evil uncles, both were physically beautiful, both masters of music (flute and harp) and both played to shepherds, etc, etc. Jesus comes from Jarrus or Jasus who was also called Iesus by the Romans. The Romans knew this being as the son of a high priest and dedicated to Neptune. This is of interest since Neptune is the planet ruler of Pisces the sign of the zodiac that is associated, esoterically, with Christianity. This Jasus was known to all Rome, but had no connection to Israel. Alexander the Great made his acquaintance. Moreover, the Druids had a patron god called Hesus, that had died and who would return as a Messiah. Volumes exist that have detailed the connection of the Christian Messiah with the more ancient Druidic schools. The Druids also worshipped the "Bloody Cross," long prior to the people of the Middle East or Romans. Mustafa Gadalla has exposed the fact that the entire "Holy Family" of the Christians derive from the dramatis personae of the Eighteenth Dynasty of Egypt. (See his classic Historical Deception

VEDAS
The holy books of the Hindus. The word is the same as that of Eddas, the holy legends of the Scandinavian and Anglo-Saxon Skalds. Only thing is these are peoples thousands of miles away from each other. Both Veda and Edda mean "Teachings of Knowledge." (see AVEDA)

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FLAVIUS JOSEPHUS CONTRA APION
chapter 1,verse 22:16
http://www.studylight.org/his/bc/wfj...ok=1&chapter=1


Quote:
This man then, [answered Aristotle,] was by birth a Jew, and came from Celesyria; these Jews are derived from the Indian philosophers; they are named by the Indians Calami, and by the Syrians Judaei, and took their name from the country they inhabit, which is called Judea; but for the name of their city, it is a very awkward one, for they call it Jerusalem

http://www.vnn.org/editorials/ET0307/ET14-8222.html

Hebrews And Vedic Brahmins

BY DR. SAMAR ABBAS, ALIGARH, INDIA

EDITORIAL, Jul 14 (VNN) — A Review

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In 1979 the Oriental Institute at Baroda published a paper entitled "The Hebrews belong to a branch of Vedic Aryans." This was a follow-up to a previous article on the same topic published by the same author, Prof. Madan Mohan Shukla, in the Vishveshvaranand Indological Journal in 1976. The basic thesis of these papers is that the Hebrews represent an offshoot of Vedic Brahmins. It may be instructive to review Shukla's papers as they serve to illustrate the common origin of the Jews and Brahmins. As Shukla's papers are very difficult to obtain both within and outside India, and are virtually out of reach for laypersons, I am reproducing extensive tracts from them for reference purposes.

1. VOCABULARY

One of Shukla's strong points is the considerable vocabulary shared by Hebrew and Sanskrit. Indeed, M.M.Shukla has concentrated on providing a large list of of words which are common to Hebrew and Sanskrit. Thus, he provides the following examples:

"The word, 'Sva?' means 'heaven' or 'paradise' in Sanskrit. This word, written as 'svam' may assume the form, 'Sam-yim' which means, 'sky' and/or 'heaven' in Hebrew, while it may become 'Asvah' under the influence of the principle of vowelization. Sometimes, the sound 'a' may change to 'ya' and thus, the derivation, 'Asvah' or 'Asuah' may change to 'Yasuah' which is nearer to a Hebrew word, 'Yasuah' (= salvation).... It may be mentioned that 'Appa' is a Marathi word. The derivation 'Appa' may further change to 'Abba' (p=b), which is a Hebrew word... Now let us consider the root-word 'Svas'. It may change first to 'Vas' and thence to Bas or 'Bes' which is a Hebrew word though with different meaning, ie. 'daughter'." (Shukla 1979, p.45)

He also suggests that Surios gave rise to Kurios, or Kur (ibid., p.48) Shukla notes that 'Abru' and 'Uparohita' exist in Persian and Avadhi Hindi, distinct from Skt. bhru and purohita (Shukla 1979, p.44)

Describing the process of vowelization, he notes, "the Punjabis would pronounce the words station, putra and K???a as satation, puttar, and Kishan respectively." (Shukla 1976, p.41)

Building upon this, he writes, "the word Joasava may be transformed into Joasaph, from which the derivation of the word Joseph is a simple matter. Thus we can see that the Biblical name Joseph can be derived from an ancient Indian name, jayasva." (Shukla 1976, p.42)

Continuing in this line, he notes, "Adam. This word seems to have been derived from the Sanskrit word A-dityam, from the Vedic pronunciation of this word as A-ditiam." (Shukla 1976, p.45)

In addition, "The meaning of the root-word as in Sanskrit is 'to eat', and 'to enjoy' or 'to be merry'. Hence if we pronounce the term upasana as 'upasana', then it would mean, 'Eating before God', and 'Being merry before God.'" (Shukla 1976, p.46)

Another striking similarity exists with regard to script: "Now, the Hebrew script, like those of Arabic and Kaithi, does not use the word signs to indicate the pronunciation of its consonants." (Shukla 1976, p.44).

2. PRIESTHOOD

One of the strongest points for a common Brahmin-Jewish origin is the fact that both communities have been endogamous priests from the earliest times of their recorded history: "Chosen People of God: It may also be observed in this respect that the Hebrews, as well as their Indian counterparts, Brahmins, consider themselves as the "Chosen People of God". The Hebrews started their corporate career in history as a "Kingdom of Priests" (Exodus/19/6). Likewise, the Brahmins have also been a "Community of Priests" since the dawn of their history." (Shukla 1979, p.54)

The colonialists were the first to notice the similarity between Brahmins and Jews, namely that Brahma not only corresponds with Abraham, but that his consort Sarasvati corresponds to Sarah. Shukla also notes the story in Genesis 29, 32-33, 20/12.

3. BIBLICAL FIGURES

Citing his own work 'The Holy Bible - A Source book of Ancient indian History', a paper submitted to All Indian Oriental Conference (1976) held at Dharwar, he notes that "We have already tried to equate Brahma, Sarasvati, Manu and Bali with the Biblical Abraham, Sarai, Noah and Peleg." (Shukla 1979, p.53) Not only that, but Shukla holds that the Jewish Laban and Brahmanic Lavana coincide:

"It is noteworthy to note in the above context that the sister of Lavana on the Indian side becomes the daughter of Laban in the Biblical account. It may also be mentioned in this respect that while Sarasvati is said to be the daughter of Brahma in accordance with the Indian tradition, her Biblical counterpart, Sarai, has been described as the sister of Abraham. In this context, we would like to remind our readers of a previous discussion of 'Svas', the root-word of the Sanskrit 'svasar' (sister) which becomes 'Bes' to mean 'daughter' in the Hebrew language." (Shukla 1979, p.54)

Equally striking is Shukla's derivation of 'Mary' from 'Matri': "the words 'Mary' and 'Mariam' could be derived from a Sanskrit word, mat?, meaning 'mother'." (Shukla 1976, p.42)

"Similarly the word, 'Mari' or 'Mary' may also be derived from Sanskrit 'Matri'." [ and Shukla notes that Mary is worshipped as a mother goddess. ]... "The word Adam is derived from a Hebrew word, 'Adamah' which means 'the earth'. Similarly the Skt. 'Adityam' is derived from 'Aditi' which also means the Earth. Hence the primary meaning of both the words, 'Adam' and Adityam would be 'earthly one'. (Shukla 1979, p.47)

His papers provide detailed etymologies of the word 'Abraham':

"The word 'Adam' can also be derived from Sanskrit 'Adityam' with the help of the rule of haplology also. Haplology is the name given by Bloomfield to the phenomenon where of the two similar syllables following each other, one is dropped. The word 'Adityam' will change to 'Adam' under the influence of this rule in the following way: -

Adityam -> Adatam -> Adadam (t = d) = Adam (Haplology)

It would be interesting to note here that the Sanskrit 'Adityam', represented by the same rule would change to 'Aton':

Adityan -> Aditan -> Atadan (d=t) -> Atan ->: Aten /Aton (Shukla 1979, p.48) This is interesting, for it provides an Indo-European derivation for the Egyptian God Aton.

Moreover, "the Vayu Purana mentions Manu as Bharata" (Shukla 1979, p.56)

Intriguing is Shukla's derivation of Rcam: "We may consider another Sanskrit word, 'Rcam' which may become Arcam and then 'Aleichem' (r=l) which is a Hebrew word." (Shukla 1979, p.46)

Shukla also provides certain other etymologies, and repeatedly derives Adam from Adityam, and Mary from Matr (Shukla 1979, p.46) He also postulates a derivation of Gr. Adonis from Aton, and notes that Heb Adonay = Lord. (ibid., p.48).

"It can be shown that the Hebrew word, 'Elohim' can be derived from the Skt. 'Brahma':

Brahma -> Ibrahim (rule of vowelization) -> Ibrahim (rule of stress) -> Ilohim (r=l) -> Elohim

Hence the expression 'Adonay Elohim; becomes equivalent to the Skt. 'Aditya-Brahma'." (Shukla 1979, p.48)

Furthermore, he notes, "Savit? = Savitru (? -> ru) -> Sabiru (v=b) = Habitru (s=h)" -> Habiru = Habiru = PR Egyptian, Apiru, Ibru, Ibri, Ibrin." (Shukla 1979, p.51)

Another etymology is: (Shukla 1979, p.53)

Iksaku -> Issvahu (no k) -> Issahu (va -> a) -> Ishak, Isaac.

Further, Shukla writes, "It may also be mentioned here that Satarupa, the name of the daughter-wife of Manu, is also one of the names of the daughter-consort of Brahma" (Shukla 1979, p.53) From this we may note the case of Noah's daughters and Manu, the flood survivor.

Another interesting derivation is also supplied: "K???a -> Christ. We know that the Bengali pronounciation of the word Kr.s.n.a is Kriste. 'Christo' or 'Christ' is only a matter of spelling." (Shukla 1976, p.42)

Moreover, "Yehasua has been derived from a Sanskrit word, Yasasva." (Shukla 1976, p.42)

It would also appear that Jehova is also related to a Sanskrit word: "This word [Jehova] could, however, be equated with the Vedic word jahvuh, which may be considered, grammatically, both as an adjective and a proper noun. In the former sense, the word, jahv.uh has been used at least four times in the R.gveda. Thus, it has been used as an {p.44} attribute of Lord Agni (RV.3.1.12), as an attribute of Lord Indra (RV 8.13.24), as an attribute of Lord Soma (RV 9.75.1) and as an attribute of Lord Agni (RV 10.110.3)."

4. BHARATA, IBHRI, IBERIA HEBREWS

One of Shukla's most striking points is his discovery of an etymological connection between the words 'Hebrew' and 'Bharat':

"Hebrews and Rigveda: Let us first understand the real nature of the Rig Veda. As observed by Sri D.P.Mishra, "Both Devdasa and Sudasa belonged to the tribe of the Bharatas or T?tsu-Bharatas and won a number of victories over their Dasa and Aryan enemies. It is their wars and victories which have been repeatedly sung by their priests in the Rig Veda, and we have therefore no hesitation in naming it as (p.56) 'Bharata-Veda' or the Veda of the Bharatas and the Bharatas themselves as the Rigvedic Aryans. If the Rigveda supposed to deal with the entry of the Aryans into India, we would like to argue that it deals only with the entry of Bharatas ..." 34 [34. Studies in the Proto-History of India", D.P.Mishra, p.133]" (Shukla 1979, p.55)

Further, "Bharata was the first king according to Jaina traditions" (Shukla 1979, p.56)

"Now let us consider the word "Bharata'. This word is formed from the Sanskrit 'Bhara', which under the sway of the rule of vowelization (Prothesis), may assume the form 'Ibhar', 'Iber', 'Ibhray', 'Ibhri', 'Ibri', 'Ibrini' etc. which have been equated with the term Hebrew." (Shukla 1979, p.56) He then continues:

"[T]he Hebrews may be related to the Rigvedic Aryan tribes of Bharatas ... In this way, we can confidently say that the statement 'Rigveda is essentially the Bharata-Veda', means that it is the 'Veda of the Hebrews'. It is hence no wonder to find close similarity between the Rigveda and the Holy Bible." (Shukla 1979, p.56)

Intriguing is his statement that,"The famous V??akapi and some other allied saktas can be best understood and appreciated only in the form of the Book of Esther." (Shukla 1979, p,56) "Further discussion of the term 'Hebrew': We have mentioned earler that another meaning of the term Savitr (the Sanskrit form of the term Hebrew) is Brahma?a. Now let us consider the word 'Brahma?a'. f we remove the suffix 'mana' from this word, then it becomes 'Brah', which, if pronounced repeatedly, gives the word, 'Habra' which is nearer to the word 'Hebrew'. Also that, both the words, written without vowel signs, would give 'BRH' and 'HBR' respectively. The similarity is evident.

It would be interesting to note another Sanrkrit word, 'vipra' (a synonym of 'Brahma?a') in the same connection. The word 'vipra' beomes 'Ipar' in colloquial Marathi. Now consider the word 'Ipar'. This word may assume the forms 'Iber' (p=b), Ibri, Ibhray, Ibrani etc. and, on being subjected to the reverse operations of the rules of prothesis and Anaptyxis in succession, would reduce 'Pr' to 'Prm', which we have already shown to be the [ other form ] of Hebrew'. This leads us to the conclusion that the Hebrews can be identified unhesitatingly with these Indian Brahmins who had migrated from India in the very early dawn of the Vedic period." (Shukla 1979, p.54)

The rule of prothesis Shukla describes as the process of vowels developing before consonants, eg. Skt. rudhira, rajah, laghu, nr, nakha, naman which he claims led to Greek eruhtros, erobos, elakus, aner, onuch, onoma (ibid, p.44). The rule of anaptyxis is the insertion of vowel betwen combination of words (ibid, p.44).

Also, in both Avestan and Avadhi Hindi, the words Manthara and Manthra are used, and not the Sanskrit mantra (Shukla 1979, p.47).

Finally, he notes, "We have derived the word 'Hebrew' from the Sanskrit word, 'Savit?' (Shukla 1979, p.52)

More controversial would be Shukla's following statement:

"On the basis of the above since some similiarty of Jews and Arabs Sabeans

5. CUSTOMS

Describing the strength of his evidence, Shukla notes, "Sometimes, these evidences become so strong as may lead one to suspect that the Hebrews might have really been an offshoot of Vedic Aryans." (Shukla 1976, p.41)

Some of his strong evidence relates to common customs:

"It may also be mentioned here that like a devout Jew, a devout Hindu is also required to pray three times a day, morning, afternoon and evening (traikalika-sandhya)

To cite still another similarity in religious practices between the Hindus and the Jews, Hayyim Schauss notes in his Jewish Festivals, p.64: "When all is ready, the Samaritans form groups about the {p.47} sacrificial animals, and after uttering the prescribed blessings, fall upon the roast meat, pulling it hastily to pieces with their hands. Portions are brought to the women and children in the tents. Everybody eats rapidly and in twenty minutes all that is left is a mound of bones."

Here it is worthwhile to note: (a) Though turned largely vegetarians now, the Brahmins of India present almost similar scenes of eating hastily in their religious and ritual grand-feasts.

(b) Like Hebrews, the Hindu womenfolk also sit in seclusion to eat their share in their public feasts.

(c) Any person, who eats too rapidly (hurridly, impatiently), or too much, is called a 'haboru' in the Hindi language, particularly in the Avadhi dialect..... The resemblance bewteen the words Hebrew and Haboru is particulary striking" (Shukla 1976, p.46-47) "there is a strong case to suspect or speculate that either the Hebrews really belong to a branch of Vedic Aryans, or that they had been in direct touch with the latter at some remote and unrecorded period of their history." (Shukla 1876, p.47)

6. ANTHROPOLOGY

Citing evidence from anthropology for his thesis, Shukla notes:

"The above discussion also leads us to the conclusion that the term 'Bharatavarsa' (= India) actually means 'the land of the Hebrews', a conclusion which is fully supported by the observation of Prof. S.K.Chatterji that, "the third Mediterranean strain, the so-called 'Oriental' one, commoly miscalled the Semitic or Jewish, with a pronouncedly long nose and fair in skin, is found in the Punjab, in Sind, in Rajputana and in Western UP, and .... in other parts of India" [R.C.Majumdar, ed. Vedic Age, 1965, p.145-6]" (Shukla 1979, p.57)

To this we may add the brachycephaly common to both Jews and Brahmins.

7. SABEANS

Shukla agrees with the generally accepted concept of a common bond between Jews and Sabaeans or Yemenites:

"Now, let us consider the word, 'Sabean'. We have already mentioned that 'Savi' is the root-word of the term 'Savit?' and hence the term 'Sabean' can be shown to be the equivalent of the word, 'Savit?', ie. Hebrew. What we mean is that the Sabeans and the Hebrews were 2 twigs of the same branch." (Shukla 1979, p.55)

8. COW-WORSHIP

It may be instructive to cite additional facts in favour of the common origin of Jews and Brahmins which have arisen after Shukla's work. One striking common feature linking Brahmins with Jews is that of cow-worship. When Moses descended from Mt. Sinai, he found the Jews worshipping the golden calf. Likewise, "Ex. xxxii. attributes the making of a golden calf to Aaron at Mount Sinai," and "Jeroboam, in making the sanctuaries of Beth-el and Dan the recipients of his royal patronage, placed in them images of Yhwh made of gold in this calf form, the fame of which went far and wide (compare I Kings xii. 23; II Kings x. 29; II Chron. xi. 14, 15)." (Jastrow Barton 1906) Cow-worship was common amongst Hebrews:

"Among the Hebrews, as among the other agricultural Semites, the bull was associated with deity in a sacred character (see Ox). The form in which this thought found expression in Israel was in their representation of Yhwh by an image of an ox or bull made of gold (compare I Kings xii. 28)." ( Jastrow Barton 1906).

There was also a "representation of Yhwh by an image of an ox or bull made of gold (compare I Kings xii. 28)." Finally, "the twelve oxen on which rested the great laver in the Temple of Solomon (I Kings vii. 25; II Kings xvi. 17; Jer. lii. 20) are regarded as evidence that there was some sacred character attached to the bull," [ibid.].

The sacredness of the cow is likewise a fundamental part of Brahmanism:

"Dying, without the expectation of a reward, for the sake of Brahmanasand of cows, or in the defence of women and children, secures beatitude tothose excluded (from the Aryan community, vahya.)" [Manu, Ch.X.62]

"I call on you the Sons of Dyaus, the Asvins, that a dark cow to my redkine be added." [Rig-Veda, Book X, Hymn 61].

"He shall not touch with his foot a Brahmana, a cow, nor any other(venerable beings)." [Apastamba, Prasna I, Patala 11, Khanda 31]

9. MOON-WORSHIP

However, in his section on "Sun-worship", M.M.Shukla has made a mistake, for it is moon-worship which links Jews and Brahmins rather than Sun-worship. Selenolatry (moon-worship) was common to both Brahmans and Jews. Sun-worship is a natural outgrowth of a cold northern climate, where the nourishing warmth of the Sun is considered the bringer of life. It is hence a characteristic of Indo-European populations, compare the Ahura Mazda of Zoroastrianism, the Mithra of Mithraism, Sol Invictus of Rome, Asshur of the Assyrians, and the Surya of the Sauras of India.

By contrast, moon-worship is a natural phenomenon of warm and desert regions, where it symbolises the refreshing coolness of the night, the opposite of the harsh and inhuman desert day. It thus arose amongst the Sumerians, where the capital was "Ur, the central home of the Semitic moon-cult" (Waddell 1929, p.388). The Old and New Testaments bear ample testimony to selenolatry amongst Hebrews (Deut. xxxiii. 14; Jer. vii. 18, xliv. 17; Job, xxxi. 26-27;, Judges viii. 21, 26; Isa. iii. 18; Cant. vi. 10; Ps. lxxii. 5, 7, lxxxix. 37; Isa. xiii. 10 xxiv. 23; Joel ii. 10, ii. 31; Amos vii. 5; I Sam. xvii. 14).

The Jewish Encyclopedia further demonstrates selenolatry amongst Jews:

"In Job (xxxi. 26 et seq.) there is an allusion to the kissing of the hand in the adoration of the moon ... Thus, the fact that Terah, Abraham's father, had lived first at Ur of the Chaldees, and that later he settled at Haran (Gen. xi. 31), two cities known from Assyrian inscriptions as places of moon-worship, shows that Abraham's parents were addicted to that form of idolatry ... The golden calf, Hommel declares, was nothing more than an emblem of the moon-god, which, in the Assyrian inscription, is styled 'the youthful and mighty bull' and the lord of the heavenly hosts (comp. "Yhwh Zeba'ot," which term is intentionally omitted from the Pentateuch). He assigns the same character to the two calves made by Jeroboam several centuries later (I Kings xii. 28) .... The close similarity between the ancient Hebrews and the southern Arabs has led Hommel furthermore to find allusion to moon-worship in such Hebrew names as begin with "ab" (= "father"), as in "Abimelech" and "Absalom," or with "'am" (= "uncle"), as in "Amminadab" and "Jeroboam," because these particles, when they appear in the names of southern Arabs, refer to the moon." (Seligsohn 1902, p.528)

The reappearance of the moon is sanctified, like the entrance of the Sabbath or festivals, by the recitation of benedictions known in liturgy as "K.iddush ha-Lebanah" or "Birkat ha-Lebanah."

Sinai is likewise a centre for Selenolatry: "Those scholars who incline to establish a connection between moon-worship ("Sin" = "moon") and the monotheism of Israel ("Sinai") find a corroboration of their theory in the fact that Abram's original home was the seat of the worship of Sin." (Hirsch 1902, p.380)

'India' and 'Hindu' are likewise derived from Indu, the name of the moon-god, also called Soma. The Somanath temple in Gujarat is dedicated to the moon-god. In the name of Rama, Rama-Chandra, the suffix Chandra is derived from the Semitic 'Sin'. Parashu-rama, 'Rama with the Axe', one of the incarnations of Vishnu, is the foremost deity for many Brahmins; the Parashu-rama is derived from Param-Sin, a title of the Moon God Sin. Thus both Ramas are votaries of the moon.

Another common point shared by Jews and Brahmins is the concept of negative memories regarding "Asuras". Historians have long wrestled with this question, as to why the "Asuras" are treated with such fear in the Vedas. However, this fear of Asuras amongst Brahmins becomes understood when one considers that the Assyrians deported the Jews. If the Brahmins share a common descent with Jews, it is only natural that they preserve in their collective memory a negative conception of their oppressors. Another 'mystery' is solved.

10. STAR OF DAVID

Mysteriously, the Star of David is common to both Judaism and certain forms of Tantrism in India, as noted by Barbara G. Walker:

"The familiar design of two interlocked triangles is generally supposed to have represented the Jewish faith since the time of David, or Solomon; therefore this hexagram is known as Magen David (Shield of David), or the Star of David, or Solomon's Seal.... {p. 402} The downward-pointing triangle is a female symbol corresponding to the yoni; it is called 'shakti.' The upward-pointing triangle is the male, the lingam, and is called 'the fire' (vahni). ... Cabalists used the hexagram as Tantric yogis used it, to represent the union of God with his Female Power, Shekina, the Jewish form of Shakti-Kali." (Walker 1983, p.401-402) The oldest undisputed example of the six-pointed star, as recorded in the Encyclopedia Judaica, is on a seal from the seventh century B.C.E. found in Sidon north of Tyre and belonging to one Joshua ben Asayahu, the name indicating that the owner was Jewish. In the Second Temple period, the hexagram was often used alongside the pentagram (the five-pointed star), and is found in the synagogue of Capernaum (second or third century C.E.). This is before the attested appearance of the Tantric six-pointed star, indicating that it is derived from the Jewish Star of David. Perhaps it was imported via Kabbalic sects. Be that as it may be, this indicates a common origin of Jews and Brahmins.

11. Conclusion

Hence, there are several features which link Jews and Brahmins, indicating a common origin. From this M.M.Shukla and his followers would have the Jews descended from Vedic Brahmins, while the present author and other researchers would have the Brahmins descended from a "Lost Tribe of Israel". Whatever the details, Shukla's detailed researches assit in the establishment of a common origin of Jews and Brahmins. We may thus conclude with the words of the Enlightenment researcher Godfrey Higgins (1772-1833):

"Now, what am I to make of this? Were these Brahmins Jews, or the Jews Brahmins?" ("Anacalypsis", Vol.I, p.771, cited in Matlock 2000, p.70)

References

Hirsch 1902: "Ur", by Emil G. Hirsch, Jewish Encyclopedia, Vol.12, p.380; http://www.jewishencyclopedia.com.

Jastrow Barton 1906: "Calf-Worship," by Morris Jastrow Jr. George A. Barton, Jewish Encyclopedia, Vol.III, p.510-511, http://www.jewishencyclopedia.com.

Matlock 2000: "Jesus and Moses are Buried in India, Birthplace of Abraham and the Hebrews", by Gene D. Matlock, Authors Choice Press, San Jose, imprint 5220 S 16th, Ste 200, Lincoln, NE 68512, Nov. 2000, $24, http://www.iuniverse.com.

Seligsohn 1902: "Star-Worship", by M. Seligsohn et al, Jewish Encyclopedia, 1902, Vol.11, p.527-528.

Shukla 1976: "Hebrews and Vedic Aryans" by Madan Mohan Shukla, (47, Kumar Bhavan, opp. M.M.Hospital, G.T.Road, Ghaziabad), Vishveshvaranand Indological Journal, Vol.XIV, Pt.1 (March 1976), p.41-47.

Shukla 1979: "The Hebrews belong to a Branch of Vedic Aryans" by Madan Mohan Shukla, Journal of the Oriental Institute, M.S. (Maharaja Sayajirao) University of Baroda, Baroda, Vol. XXVIII (March-June 1979) Nos. 3-4, p.44-57; Director, Oriental Insitute, Tilak Road, opp. Sayajigunj Tower, Baroda-390002, Gujarat, India; Rs.30/year.

Waddell 1929: "The Makers of Civilization in Race and History", by L.A. Waddell, 1929, reprint S.Chand Company, P.O.Box No. 5733, Ram Nagar, 7361, New Delhi-110055, 1986, Rs.400, http://www.schandgroup.com.

Walker 1983: "The Woman's Encyclopedia of Myths and Secrets," by Barbara G. Walker, Harper Row, San Francisco, 1983.

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STAR

A very important term in the ancient world. The word, and the symbol of the star, was used as a title to distinguish high level adepts and initiates of "Judaic" cults and sects. The Queen of Sheba, for instance, meant "Queen of the Star." The so-called "Star of David," is really the star of the Hyksos Dynasty of kings in Egypt, that history knows as the Israelites

hyskos are indians. it called the shatkona, shiva/shakti united, like yin/yang.

http://altreligion.about.com/library/glossary/symbols/bldefshexagram.htm

hexagram is a six pointed star composed of two overlapped triangles, found in use by a number of faiths and cultures. Outside of the cross and the swastika, the hexagram is one of the oldest and most universal spiritual symbols.

It is associated with the Biblical Solomon, known as the Star of David in the Jewish religion.

The Seal of Solomon

In Ritual Magick, the hexagon is called the Seal of Solomon, and represents Divine Union, being composed of a female, watery triangle, and a male, fiery triangle. The traditional elemental triangles of earth, air, water, and fire are derived from the seal.

When the points of a hexagram are connected, a hexagon is formed. Kabbalistically, the hexagram represents the Sefirah Tifaret, perfection.

Hindu Shatkona

In the Hindu religion, the hexagram is called the Shatkona, and is equivalent to the symbolism in ritual magick. The Shatkona is the combination of the Shiva kona (trikona, triangle), the symbol of the God Shiva, representing the element of fire, and the Shakti kona, representing the element of water. Together, they represent the union of male and female, and the heart chakra.


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Star of David (Magen David, Shield of David)

The Star of David is the primary modern emblem of the Jewish religion. How it came to be such is a matter of some debate. Legend has it that the emblem was used by the Biblical King David (hence the name 'Magen David,' or shield of David).

In reality, it was not associated specifically with the faith until the middle ages, when it began to appear on flags, tombstones, and synagogue decorations. It is probably not coincidental that the symbol was important to the flourishing kabbalistic tradition of the same time period. Kabbalistically, the hexagram symbolizes the six directions of space, the divine union of male and female energy, and the four elements.

The Star of David is also important in the Rastafarian and Messianic Christian religions. A Rastafarian version

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The Eightfold Way and Solomon's Seal

Introduction to Yantra

by Horia Cristescu and
Dan Bozaru

The Triangle (TRIKONA)

The triangle (TRIKONA) is the symbol of SHAKTI , the feminine energy or aspect of Creation. The triangle pointing down represents the YONI , the feminine sexual organ and the symbol of the supreme source of the Universe, and when the triangle is pointing upwards it signifies intense spiritual aspiration, the sublimation of one's nature into the most subtle planes and the element of fire (AGNI TATTVA). The fire is always oriented upwards, thus the correlation with the upward triangle - SHIVA KONA. On the other hand, the downward pointing triangle signifies the element of water which always tends to flown and occupy the lowest possible position. This triangle is known as SHAKTI KONA.

The intersection of two geometric forms (lines, triangles, circles, etc.) represents forces that are even more intense than those generated by the simple forms. Such an interpenetration indicates a high level in the dynamic interaction of the correspondent energies. The empty spaces generated by such combinations are described as very efficient operational fields of the forces emanating from the central point of the YANTRA. That is why we can very often encounter representations of MANTRAS in such spaces. YANTRA and MANTRA are complementary aspects of SHIVA and their use together is much more efficient than the use of one alone.


The Six Points Star (SHATKONA)

A typical combination often found in the graphical structure of a YANTRA is the superposition of two triangles, one pointing upwards and the other downwards, forming a star with six points (SHATKONA), also known as David's Star. This form symbolically represents the union of PURUSHA and PRAKRITI or SHIVA-SHAKTI, without which there could be no Creation.

TRIKONA

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SHATKONA

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BRITAIN
From the goddess Baratana and the name of India, given by the Indo-Europeans, who later came to England. Today the name of India is Bharat. The Indians were known as the Barats or Parats. English are the Brits.

INDIA
Derives from the ancient word Sindh, which relates to the Cult of the Moon. The Lunar Cult was very strong in Asia, as a look at the various flags and emblems will confirm. The myth of Cinderella, comes from this, the fact that the moon was considered the bride of the sun, that she wedded when entering into the sign of Leo, the sun's "palace."

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ireland india vedic connections - Google Search

http://www.vaidilute.com/books/tilak/tilak-contents.html

Out of India theory - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

http://www.redicecreations.com/radio/2007/07jul/RICR-070715-SUB.html

http://www.gosai.com/science/sanskrit-enlightenment.html

http://www.archaeologyonline.net/artifacts/scientific-verif-vedas.html

http://www.gosai.com/chaitanya/saranagati/html/vedic-upanisads/aryan-invasion.html


http://www.gaeltacht.info/gael_hindi.html


Paper I: Review of certain Connections between Gaeldom and Hindustan


[I] Early Migrations from S outh Asia to Europe
[II] Ice Age Refuges: Europe and South Asia
[III] The Proto-Indo-European Language (or PIE)
[IV] Linguistic Half-lives around the Baltic Sea
[V] A variable Trait for combating UV Radiation
[VI] An Ghaeltacht (Gaeldom): formed by cultural Diffusion
[VII] Hindustan : Issues of Evidence on the IE Homeland
[VIII] Gaelic-Hindu Links: apparently not a Matter of general Pattern

Paper II: Some common Features in Irish Gaelic and Hindu Societies


[I] Mahatma Ghandi
[II] Evidence of Indo-European religious Links between Gaeldom and Hindustan
[III] Hindu Evidence of a direct Link with Celts
[IV] Folkloric Links
[V] Musical Links
[VI] The legal Systems
[VII] Enduring linguistic Connections


Paper I: Review of certain Connections between Gaeldom and Hindustan
Liam SS Réamonn 8/Nodlaig/2005

[I] Early Migrations from S outh Asia to Europe

Today, Ireland and Scotland are perforce the most westerly and Hindustan the most easterly homelands of Indo-European culture. After thousands of years of separation, not much should be left to bind Gael and Hindu together. However, although this is not widely known, linguistic and cultural ties are quite strong. This requires an explanation.

Genetic research on world populations provides compelling evidence on when and from where migrations of early modern man occurred. Mitochondrial DNA (mtDNA) is transmitted through the female line. A mutation in the code occurs about once in every 1,000 generations. Combinations of mutations in females, living around the world, allow the construction of a ‘family tree’, which tracks human migrations. Analysis of the non-recombinant part of the male Y chromosome yields information on the routes of movements but not on the dates of these.

Much work, using scientific method, has yet to be carried out to improve upon and merge genetic evidence and evidence from linguistic, archaeological and climatic records. In this process, Papers I-IV bring together certain connections between Irish, Hindu and Germanic peoples.



Boann, The Cow Goddess, 1976

by Jim Fitzpatrick http://www.jimfitzpatrick.ie/
(C) 1977, Used with Permission.

Genetic analyses indicate that, after several attempts, modern mankind made a successful exodus out of Africa into Asia , some 80,000 years ago. The people remained around southern Arabia for 30,000 years. One group of them then went to South Asia and succeeded in becoming the ancestors of today’s inhabitants of the rest of the world.

Migration east and west from South Asia occurred when climatic conditions in the Fertile Crescent improved. Archaeologists classify the advent of early modern human cultures in Europe in two principal waves. The first was the Aurignacian Wave. It began 46,000 years ago. The second, Gravettian Wave, came after a cold, dry period from 40- 34,000 years ago. It lasted from 33-21,000 years ago. Genetic markers leading up to the last ice age, some 20-18,000 years ago, parallel the cultural waves.

[december]

You posted very interesting info, but it seems like nobody cares...

[synergy777]

http://www.vaidilute.com/books/tilak/tilak-contents.html

THE ARCTIC HOME IN THE VEDAS

when it was warm/tropical, before the axis shift/deluge.

[synergy777]

http://www.archaeologyonline.net/artifacts/scientific-verif-vedas.html

Scientific Verification of Vedic Knowledge
by David Osborn

A vast number of statements and materials presented in the ancient Vedic literatures can be shown to agree with modern scientific findings and they also reveal a highly developed scientific content in these literatures. The great cultural wealth of this knowledge is highly relevant in the modern world.

Techniques used to show this agreement include:

• Marine Archaeology of underwater sites (such as Dvaraka)

• Satellite imagery of the Indus-Sarasvata River system,

• Carbon and Thermoluminiscence Dating of archaeological artifacts

• Scientific Verification of Scriptural statements

• Linguistic analysis of scripts found on archaeological artifacts

• A Study of cultural continuity in all these categories.


Introduction

Early indologists wished to control & convert the followers of Vedic Culture, therefore they widely propagated that the Vedas were simply mythology.

Max Muller, perhaps the most well known early sanskritist and indologist, although later in life he glorified the Vedas, initially wrote that the "Vedas were worse than savage" and "India must be conquered again by education... it's religion is doomed"

Thomas Macaulay, who introduced English education into India wanted to make the residents into a race that was: "Indian in blood and color, but English in taste, in opinion, in morals, and in intellect."


However, the German Philosopher Arthur Schopenhauer stated that the Sanskrit understanding of these Indologists was like that of young schoolboys.


These early Indologists:

• Devised the Aryan Invasion theory, denying India's Vedic past

• They taught that the English educational system is superior

• They intentionally misinterpreted sanskrit texts to make the Vedas look primitive.

• And they systematically tried to make Indians ashamed of their own culture

• Thus the actions of these indologists seems to indicate that they were motivated by a racial bias.

Innumerable archaeological findings and their analysis have recently brought the Aryan Invasion Theory into serious question. This theory is still taught as fact in many educational systems despite much contrary evidence.



The Aryan Invasion Theory Defined

• Vedic Aryans entered India between 1,500 and 1,200 B.C.

• They conquered the native Dravidian culture by virtue of their superiority due to their horses & iron weapons

• They Imported the Vedic culture and it's literatures.

• This Aryan Invasion Theory, however, deprives the inhabitants of India of their Vedic heritage. The wealth of their culture came from foreign soil.

The Aryan Invasion Theory raises an interesting dilemna called Frawleys Paradox: On the one hand we have the vast Vedic Literature without any archaeological finds associated with them and on the other hand, we have 2,500 archaeological sites from the Indus-Sarasvata civilization without any literature associated with them.


A preponderance of contemporary evidence now seems to indicate that these are one and the same cultures. This certainly eliminates this paradox and makes perfect sense, to an unbiased researcher.

Facts which cast serious doubt on the Aryan Invasion Theory

• There is no evidence of an Aryan homeland outside of India mentioned anywhere in the Vedas. On the contrary, the Vedas speak of the mighty Sarasvati River and other places indigenous to India. To date, no evidence for a foreign intrusion has been found, neither archaeological, linguistic, cultural nor genetic.

• There are more than 2,500 Archaeological sites, two-thirds of which are along the recently discovered dried up Sarasvati River bed. These sites show a cultural continuity with the Vedic literature from the early Harrapan civilization up to the present day India.


The archaeological sites along the dried up Sarasvati River basin are represented by black dots.

• Several independent studies of the drying up of the Sarasvati River bed, all indicate the same time period of 1,900 B.C.E.

• The significance of establishing this date for the drying up of the Sarasvati River is, that it pushes the date for the composition of the Rig Veda back to approximately 3,000 B.C.E., as enunciated by the Vedic tradition itself.

• The late dating of the Vedic literatures by indologists is based on speculated dates of 1,500 B.C.E. for the Aryan Invasion and 1,200 B.C.E. for the Rig Veda, both now disproved by scientific evidence.

Max Muller, the principal architect of the Aryan Invasion theory, admitted the purely speculative nature of his Vedic chronology, and in his last work published shortly before his death, The Six Systems of Indian Philosophy, he wrote: "Whatever may be the date of the Vedic hymns, whether 15 hundred or 15,000 B.C.E., they have their own unique place and stand by themselves in the literature of the world."



The Vedic Culture is indigenous to India

It can be scientifically proven that the Vedic Culture is indigenous, through archaeology, the study of cultural continuity, by linguistic analysis, and genetic research.



For example, the language and symbolism found on the Harappan seals are very Vedic. We find the Om symbol, the leaf of the Asvatta or holy banyan tree, as well as the swastika, or sign of auspiciousness, mentioned throughout the Vedas. Om is mentioned in the Mundaka and Katha Upanisads as well as the Bhagavad Gita.

The Holy Asvatta tree is mentioned in the Aitareya and Satapata Brahmanas as well as the Taittiriya Samhita and Katyayana Smrti.

The pictoral script of these Harappan seals has been deciphered as consistently Vedic and termed "Proto-brahmi," as a pre-sanskrit script.

This piece of pottery from the lowest level of Harappan excavations with pre-harappan writing is deciphered as ila vartate vara, referring to the sacred land bounded by the Sarasvati River, described in the Rig Veda.

Additionally, other archaeological finds are culturally consistent, such as the dancing girl, whose bracelets are similar to those worn by women of Northwest India today as well as



the three stone Siva Lingas found in Harappa by M. S. Vats in 1940. The worship of the Siva Linga is mentioned in the Maha Narayana Upanisad of the Yajur Veda and is still ardently practiced today.



The Vedas were maligned by early indologists because of their disagreement with their Eurocentric colonialists world view, a view which produced and depended on the Aryan Invasion Theory. The fact that the Aryan Invasion Theory has been seriously challenged recently by scholars and indologists, adds credence to the Vedas as viable, accurate and indigenous sources of information.



Satellite imagery of the Dried Up Sarasvati River Basin

Using modern scientific methods, such as satellite imagery and dating techniques, it can be shown that the ancient statements of the Vedas are factual, not mythical as erroneously propagated. High resolution satellite images have verified descriptions in The Rig Veda of the descent of the ancient Sarasvati River from it's source in the Himalayas to the Arabian Sea.


"Pure in her course from the mountains to the ocean, alone of streams Sarasvati hath listened."

The mighty Sarasvati River and it's civilization are referred to in the Rig Veda more than fifty times, proving that the drying up of the Sarasvati River was subsequent to the origin of the Rig Veda, pushing this date of origin back into antiquity, casting further doubt on the imaginary date for the so-called Aryan Invasion.

The Satellite image (above) clearly shows the Indus-Sarasvata river system extending from the Himalayas to the Arabian Sea. Here the Indus River is on the left, outlined in blue, while the Sarasvati River basin is outlined in green. The black dots are the many archeological sites or previous settlements along the banks of the now dry Sarasvati River.

The drying up of the Sarasvati River around 1900 B.C.E. is confirmed archaeologically. Following major tectonic movements or plate shifts in the Earth's crust, the primary cause of this drying up was due to the capture of the Sarasvati River's main tributaries, the Sutlej River and the Drishadvati River by other rivers.

Although early studies, based on limited archaeological evidence produced contradictory conclusions, recent independent studies, such as that of archaeologist James Shaffer in 1993, showed no evidence of a foreign invasion in the Indus Sarasvata civilization and that a cultural continuity could be traced back for millennia.

In other words, Archaeology does not support the Aryan Invasion Theory.


Evidence for the Ancient Port City of Dvaraka

Marine archaeology has also been utilized in India off the coast of the ancient port city of Dvaraka in Gujarat, uncovering further evidence in support of statements in the Vedic scriptures. An entire submerged city at Dvaraka, the ancient port city of Lord Krishna with its massive fort walls, piers, warfs and jetty has been found in the ocean as described in the Mahabharata and other Vedic literatures.

This sanskrit verse from the Mausala Parva of the Mahabharata, describes the disappearance of the city of Dvaraka into the sea.



"After all the people had set out, the ocean flooded Dvaraka, which still teemed with wealth of every kind. Whatever portion of land was passed over, the ocean immediately flooded over with its waters."

Dr. S. R. Rao, formerly of the Archaeological Survey of India, has pioneered marine archaeology in India. Marine archaeological findings seem to corroborate descriptions in the Mahabharata of Dvaraka as a large, well-fortified and prosperous port city, which was built on land reclaimed from the sea, and later taken back by the sea. This lowering and raising of the sea level during these same time periods of the 15th and 16th centuries B.C.E. is also documented in historical records of the country of Bahrain.

Amongst the extensive underwater discoveries were the massive Dvaraka city wall, a large door-socket and a bastion from the fort wall.



Two rock-cut slipways of varying width, extending from the beach to the intertidal zone, a natural harbor, as well as a number of olden stone ship anchors were discovered, attesting to Dvaraka being an ancient port city.



The three headed motif on this conch-shell seal (above), found in the Dvaraka excavations, corroborates the reference in the scripture Harivamsa that every citizen of Dvaraka should carry a mudra or seal of this type.

All these underwater excavations add further credibility to the validity of the historical statements found in the Vedic literatures.



Thirty-five Archaeological Sites in North India

Apart from Dvaraka, more than thirty-five sites in North India have yielded archaeological evidence and have been identified as ancient cities described in the Mahabharata. Copper utensils, iron, seals, gold & silver ornaments, terracotta discs and painted grey ware pottery have all been found in these sites. Scientific dating of these artifacts corresponds to the non-aryan-invasion model of Indian antiquity.



Furthermore, the Matsya and Vayu Puranas describe great flooding which destroyed the capital city of Hastinapur, forcing its inhabitants to relocate in Kausambi. The soil of Hastinapur reveals proof of this flooding. Archaeological evidence of the new capital of Kausambi has recently been found which has been dated to the time period just after this flood.


Kurukshetra


Similarly, in Kurukshetra, the scene of the great Mahabharata war, Iron arrows and spearheads have been excavated and dated by thermoluminence to 2,800 B.C.E., the approximate date of the war given within the Mahabharata itself.

The Mahabharata also describes three cities given to the Pandavas, the heroes of the Mahabharata, after their exile:

Paniprastha, Sonaprastha & Indraprastha, which is Delhi's Puranaqila. These sites have been identified and yielded pottery & antiquities, which show a cultural consistency & dating consistent for the Mahabharata period, again verifying statements recorded in the Vedic literatures.


Renowned Thinkers Who Appreciated the Vedic Literatures

Although early indologists, in their missionary zeal, widely vilified the Vedas as primitive mythology, many of the worlds greatest thinkers admired the Vedas as great repositories of advanced knowledge and high thinking


Arthur Schopenhauer, the famed German philosopher and writer, wrote that: I "...encounter [in the Vedas] deep, original, lofty thoughts... suffused with a high and holy seriousness."

The well-known early American writer Ralph Waldo Emerson, read the Vedas daily. Emerson wrote: "I owed a magnificent day to the Bhagavat-Gita"

Henry David Thoreau said: "In the morning I bathe my intellect in the stupendous philosophy of the Bhagavad Gita... in comparison with which... our modern world and its literature seems puny and trivial."

So great were Emerson and Thoreau's appreciation of Vedantic literatures that they became known as the American transcendentalists. Their writings contain many thoughts from Vedic Philosophy.

Other famous personalities who spoke of the greatness of the Vedas were: Alfred North Whitehead (British mathematician, logician and philosopher), who stated that: "Vedanta is the most impressive metaphysics the human mind has conceived."

Julius Robert Oppenheimer, the principle developer of the atomic bomb, stated that "The Vedas are the greatest privilege of this century." During the explosion of the first atomic bomb, Oppenheimer quoted several Bhagavad-gita verses from the 11th chapter, such as:

"Death I am, cause of destruction of the worlds..."

When Oppenheimer was asked if this is the first nuclear explosion, he significantly replied: "Yes, in modern times," implying that ancient nuclear explosions may have previously occurred.


Lin Yutang, Chinese scholar and author, wrote that: "India was China's teacher in trigonometry, quadratic equations, grammar, phonetics... " and so forth.

Francois Voltaire stated: "... everything has come down to us from the banks of the Ganges."

From these statements we see that many renowned intellectuals believed that the Vedas provided the origin of scientific thought.



The Iron Pillar of Delhi

The Vedic literatures contain descriptions of advanced scientific techniques, sometimes even more sophisticated than those used in our modern technological world.

Modern metallurgists have not been able to produce iron of comparable quality to the 22 foot high Iron Pillar of Delhi, which is the largest hand forged block of iron from antiquity.

This pillar stands at mute testimony to the highly advanced scientific knowledge of metallurgy that was known in ancient India. Cast in approximately the 3rd century B.C., the six and a half ton pillar, over two millennia has resisted all rust and even a direct hit by the artillary of the invading army of Nadir Shah during his sacking of Delhi in 1737.



Vedic Cosmology


Vedic Cosmology is yet another ancient Vedic science which can be confirmed by modern scientific findings and this is acknowledged by well known scientists and authors, such as Carl Sagan and Count Maurice Maeterlinck, who recognized that the cosmology of the Vedas closely parallels modern scientific findings.


Carl Sagan stated, "Vedic Cosmology is the only one in which the time scales correspond to those of modern scientific cosmology."

Nobel laureate Count Maurice Maeterlinck wrote of: "a Cosmogony which no European conception has ever surpassed."

French astronomer Jean-Claude Bailly corroborated the antiquity and accuracy of the Vedic astronomical measurements as "more ancient than those of the Greeks or Egyptians." And that, "the movements of the stars calculated 4,500 years ago, does not differ by a minute from the tables of today."

The ninety foot tall astronomical instrument known as Samrat Yantra, built by the learned King Suwai Jai Singh of Jaipur, measures time to within two seconds per day.

Cosmology and other scientific accomplishments of ancient India spread to other countries along with mercantile and cultural exchanges. There are almost one hundred references in the Rig Veda alone to the ocean and maritime activity. This is confirmed by Indian historian R. C. Majumdar, who stated that the people of the Indus-Sarasvata Civilization engaged in trade with Sooma and centers of culture in western Asia and Crete.



The Heliodorus Column and Cultural Links to India

An example of these exchanges is found in the inscriptions on the Heliodorus Column, erected in 113 B.C.E. by Heliodorus, a Greek ambassador to India, and convert to Vaisnavism, as well as the 2nd century B.C.E. Coins of Agathocles, showing images of Krishna and Balaram. These artifacts stand testimony that Sanatan Dharma predates Christianity.



This also confirms the link between India and other ancient civilizations such as Greece and shows that there was a continuous exchange of culture, philosophy and scientific knowledge between India & other countries. Indeed the Greeks learned many wonderful things from India.



Vedic Mathematics

Voltaire, the famous French writer and philosopher) stated that "Pythagoras went to the Ganges to learn geometry." Abraham Seidenberg, author of the authoritative "History of Mathematics," credits the Sulba Sutras as inspiring all mathematics of the ancient world from Babylonia to Egypt to Greece.


As Voltaire & Seidenberg have stated, many highly significant mathematical concepts have come from the Vedic culture, such as:


The theorem bearing the name of the Greek mathematician Pythagorus is found in the Shatapatha Brahmana as well as the Sulba Sutra, the Indian mathematical treatise, written centuries before Pythagorus was born.



The Decimal system, based on powers of ten, where the remainder is carried over to the next column, first mentioned in the Taittiriya Samhita of the Black Yajurveda.



The Introduction of zero as both a numerical value and a place marker.



The Concept of infinity.



The Binary number system, essential for computers, was used in Vedic verse meters.



A hashing technique, similar to that used by modern search algorithms, such as Googles, was used in South Indian musicology. From the name of a raga one can determine the notes of the raga from this Kathapayadi system. (See Figure at left.)

For further reading we refer you to this excellent article on Vedic Mathematics.

Vedic Sound and Mantras

The Vedas however are not as well known for presenting historical and scientific knowledge as they are for expounding subtle sciences, such as the power of mantras. We all recognize the power of sound itself by it's effects, which can be quite dramatic. Perhaps we all have seen a high-pitched frequency shatter an ordinary drinking glass. Such a demonstration shows that Loud Sounds can produce substantial reactions

It is commonly believed that mantras can carry hidden power which can in turn produce certain effects. The ancient Vedic literatures are full of descriptions of weapons being called by mantra. For example, many weapons were invoked by mantra during the epic Kuruksetra War, wherein the Bhagavad-gita itself was spoken.

The ancient deployment of Brahmastra weapons, equivalent to modern day nuclear weapons are described throughout the Vedic literatures. Additionally, mantras carry hidden spiritual power, which can produce significant benefits when chanted properly. Indeed, the Vedas themselves are sound vibrations in literary form and carry a profound message. Spiritual disciplines recommend meditational practices such as silent meditation, silent recitation of mantras and also the verbal repetition of specific mantras out loud.

A Clinical Test of the Benefits of Mantra Chanting was performed on three groups of sixty-two subjects, males and females of average age 25. They chanted the Hare Krsna Maha Mantra twenty-five minutes each day under strict clinical supervision.

Results showed that regular chanting of the Hare Krsna Maha Mantra reduces Stress and depression and helps reduce bad habits & addictions. These results formed a PhD Thesis at Florida State University.

Spiritual practitioners claim many benefits from Mantra Meditation such as increased realization of spiritual wisdom, inner peace and a strong communion with God and the spiritual realm. These effects may be experienced by following the designated spiritual path.



Conclusion

Most of the evidence given in this presentation is for the apara vidya or material knowledge of the Vedic literatures. The Vedas however, are more renowned for their para vidya or spiritual knowledge. And even superior is the realized knowledge of the Vedic rsis or saints — that which is beyond the objective knowledge of modern science — knowledge of the eternal realm of sat, cit ananda, eternality, blissfullness and full knowledge. But that is another presentation.

The Scientific Verification of Vedic Knowledge is available from DevaVision Video Documentaries as a DVD video and downloadable as a Quicktime video: Devavision Video Downloads

For additional Vedic Science articles please visit: http://www.vedicsciences.net/

[razed1]

wasnt the golden age of india like at least 6-8 thousand years ago, like aroudnt the age of taurus??

so wouldnt india's texts like the mahabharat be alot older than just around the time of jerusalem and all

i see alot of your posts synergy777 and i feel youre getting too caught up with "this guy is descended from him, and hes descended this guy etc"

lets say what youre posting about that is trueand krishna is descended from moses or whoever, then wouldnt krishna be a member of an illuminati bloodline???

are you talking about the blue krishna, with the flute, shown as a young boy, or some other guy who was krishna and his story got changed and thus we have this blue krishna story



because if the first one is true, then that krishna is a sun-god, symbolic of the SUN, and if the second is true, WHO CARES?? what makes that guy so much better than me/you that his story needs to be told thousands of years afterwards


my feeling is if you were to realize how these illuminati bloodlines came into being and all these stories of ppl like krishna, are telling you a story thourgh symbolism of a higher truth, the celestial bodies which we find outselves living in, and the insteraction of these planetary bodies and stars, and the effects this planetary bodies have directly on our consciousness

[fullfathomfive]

You posted very interesting info, but it seems like nobody cares...
I care...sometimes it's a lot to take in.

[synergy777]

its not about bloodlines etc, its about reclaiming our global history. a history which unites all of us. what is blood, after all the spirit escapes this vessel of flesh.

to add credibility, heres flavius josephus. remember contra apinon, chapter 1 verse 23:16.

according to the great jewish historian flavius josephus, jews are from india

http://www.newadvent.org/cathen/08522a.htm

Flavius Josephus
Jewish historian, born A.D. 37, at Jerusalem; died about 101. He belonged to a distinguished priestly family, whose paternal ancestors he himself traces back five generations; his mother's family claimed descent from the Machabeans. He received a good education, and association with distinguished scholars developed his intellectual gifts, more especially his memory and power of judgment. He also made himself fully acquainted with and tried the leading politico-religious Jewish parties of his age -- the Essenes, Pharisees, and Sadducees.

Impressed by the outward importance of the Pharisees and hoping to secure through them a position of influence, he attached himself to their party at the age of nineteen, although he shared neither their religious nor political views. He went to Rome in the year 64 with the object of procuring from Nero the release of some imprisoned Jewish priests, who were friends of his. He succeeded in winning the favour of Poppæa Sabina, the emperor's consort, and through her influence gained his cause. But he was dazzled by the brilliant court life in the metropolis of the world, that he became ever more estranged from the spirit of strict Judaism, considering its struggle against paganism as useless. After his return to Jerusalem, the great Jewish revolt broke out in the year 66. Like most of the aristocratic Jews, Josephus at first discountenanced the rebellion of his countrymen, goaded into activity by their enslaved condition and outraged religious sentiments; when, however, fortune seemed to favour the insurgents, Josephus like the rest of the priestly nobility joined them, and was chosen by the Sanhedrin at Jerusalem to be commander-in-chief in Galilee. As such he established in every city throughout the country a council of judges, the members of which were recruited from those who shared his political views. He guided the diplomatic negotiations as well as the military enterprises with prudence and astuteness. In the beginning the Jews were successful, but later when the Roman General Vespasian advanced with the main army from Antioch to Galilee, burning and murdering, the insurgents either fled or sought shelter in their fortresses. For six weeks Josephus and the boldest spirits among the insurgents defended themselves in the almost impregnable fortress of Jotapata. In the summer of 67, the garrison being now exhausted from lack of water and other necessaries, the Romans stormed the citadel; most of the patriots were put to the sword, but Josephus escaped the massacre by hiding in an inaccessible cistern, and emerged only after receiving an assurance that his life would be spared. Brought before the victorious general, he sought with great shrewness to ingratiate himself with Vespasian, foretelling his elevation, as well as that of his son Titus, to the imperial dignity. Vespasian, however, kept him as a prisoner, and it was only in the year 69, after he had actually become emperor, that he restored to Josephus his liberty.

As a freedman of Vespasian, Josephus assumed in accordance with the Roman custom the former's family name of Flavianus. He accompanied the emperor as far as Egypt, when the latter had handled over to his son the prosecution of the Jewish War, but then joined the retinue of Titus, and was an eyewitness of the destruction of the Holy City and her Temple. At his personal risk he had tried to persuade the Jews to surrender. After the fall of the city he went to Rome with Titus, and took part in the latter's triumph. But these scenes did not trouble Josphus's sense of national honour; on the contrary, he accepted the privilege of Roman citizenship in recognition of his services, and was granted a yearly stipend and also lands in Judea. The succeeding emperors, Titus and his cruel brother Domitian, also showed themselves kindly disposed towards Josephus, and conferred on him many marks of distinction. At court he was allowed to devote himself unmolested to his literary work until his death, which occurred in the reign of Trajan (probably in 101). In his life, as in his writings, he pursued a policy midway between Jewish and pagan culture, for which he was accused by his Jewish countrymen of being unprincipled and hypocritical. His works were written in elegant Greek, to influence the educated class of his time, and free them from various prejudices against Judaism.

The first work of Josephus was the "Jewish War" (Peri tou Ioudaikou polemou) in seven books. This is mainly based on his memoranda made during the war of independence (66-73), on the memoirs of Vespasian, and on letters of King Agrippa. While his story of warlike events is reliable, the account of his own doings is strongly tinctured with foolish self-adulation. This work furnishes the historical background for numerous historical romances, among those of modern times "Lucius Flavius" by J. Spillmann, S.J., and "The End of Juda" by Anton de Waal.

Josephus's second work, the "Jewish Antiquities" (Ioudaike Archaiologia), contains in twenty books the whole history of the Jews from the Creation to the outbreak of the revolt in A.D. 66. Books I-XI are based on the text of the Septuagint, though at times he also repeats traditional explanations current among the Jews in later times. He also quotes numerous passages from Greek authors whose writings are now lost. On the other hand he made allowance for the tastes of his Gentile contemporaries by arbitrary omissions as well as by the free embellishment of certain scenes. Books XII-XX, in which he speaks of the times preceding the coming of Christ and the foundation of Christianity, are our only sources for many historical events. In these the value of the statements is enhanced by the insertion of dates which are otherwise wanting, and by the citation of authentic documents which confirm and supplement the Biblical narrative. The story of Herod the Great is contained in books XV-XVII. Book XVIII contains in chapter iii the celebrated passage in which mention is made of the Redeemer in the following words:


About this time lived Jesus, a man full of wisdom, if indeed one may call Him a man. For He was the doer of incredible things, and the teacher of such as gladly received the truth. He thus attracted to Himself many Jews and many of the Gentiles. He was the Christ. On the accusation of the leading men of our people, Pilate condemned Him to death upon the cross; nevertheless those who had previously loved Him still remained faithful to Him. For on the third day He again appeared to them living, just as, in addition to a thousand other marvellous things, prophets sent by God had foretold. And to the present day the race of those who call themselves Christians after Him has not ceased.
Attempts have been made to refute the objections brought against this passage both for internal and external reasons, but the difficulty has not been definitively settled. The passage seems to suffer from repeated interpolations. The fact that the "Antiquities" testifies to the truth of Divine Revelation among the Jews as among the Christians, and confirms the historical facts related in the Bible by the incontrovertible testimony of pagan authors, renders this work of Josephus of extreme value for the history of the chosen people. The accounts which he gives of the rise and mutual relations of the different Jewish sects, which are so important in the history and sufferings of the Saviour; his information regarding the corruption of the ancient Jewish customs and institutions; his statement concerning the internal conflicts of the Jews, and lastly his account of the last war with the Romans, which put an end to the national independence of the Jews, are of prime importance as historical sources.

In his "Autobiography" (phlaouiou Iosepou bios), written A.D. 90, Josephus seeks, not without attempts at self-glorification, to justify his position at the beginning of the Jewish rising. In plan and language the book is probably influenced by the writings of Nicholas of Damascus, which Josephus had also used in the "Antiquities". His work entitled "Against Apion" (Kata Apionos), divided in two books, is a defence of the great antiquity of the Jews and a refutation of the charges which had been brought against them by the grammarian Apion of Alexandria on the occasion of an embassy to the Emperor Caligula.

The early Christians were zealous readers of Josephus's "History of the Jews", and the Fathers of the Church, such as Jerome and Ambrose, as well as the early ecclesiastical historians like Eusebius, are fond of quoting him in their works. St. Chrysostom calls him a useful expounder of the historical books of the Old Testament. The works of Josephus were translated into Latin at an early date. After the art of printing had been discovered, they were circulated in all languages. The first German translation was edited by the Strasburg Reformer Kaspar Hedio, in 1531, and a French translation was issued by Burgoing in Lyons in 1558. Among the best-known translations in English is that by Whiston (London, 1737), revised by Shilleto (5 vols., London, 1888-9). In the middle of the nineteenth century the interest in the "Jewish Antiquities" was revived by a translation which the Society of St. Charles Borromeo induced Professor Konrad Martin, afterwards Bishop of Paderborn, to undertake in collaboration with Franz Kaulen (1st ed., Cologne, 1852-3; 2nd and 3rd ed. by Kaulen, 1883 and 1892). The test of Josephus's works has been published by Dindorf in Greek and Latin (2 vols., Paris, 1845-47) and Bekker (6 vols., Leipzig, 1855-6). There are critical editions by Naber, (Leipzig, 1888-96) and Niese (7 vols., Berlin, 1887-95; text only, 6 vols., Berlin, 1888-95).

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Publication information
Written by Karl Hoeber. Transcribed by Stephen W. Shackelford. In Memory of my father, Carl W. Shackelford
The Catholic Encyclopedia, Volume VIII. Published 1910. New York: Robert Appleton Company. Nihil Obstat, October 1, 1910. Remy Lafort, S.T.D., Censor. Imprimatur. +John Cardinal Farley, Archbishop of New York

Bibliography
Consult SCHÜRER in Realencycl. für prot. Theol., s. v.; MÜLLER, Christus bei Flavius Josephus; EDERSHEIM in Dict. Christ. Biog., s.v. For fuller bibliography see SCHÜRER, Gesch. des jud. Volkes im Zeitalter Jesu Christi, I (3rd ed., Leipzig, 1901), 98-106.

[synergy777]

another branch of the global family tree, romani

http://www.davidicke.com/forum/showthread.php?t=1966&highlight=romani

[synergy777]

http://irishoriginsofcivilization.com/appendices/appendix8.html

Etymology
(Key to the Past)


http://irishoriginsofcivilization.com/appendices/appendix8.html

HEBREW

The word 'Ibri, "Hebrew," occurs some thirty times in the Bible, a small number compared with the 2,500 appearances of "Israel." The two terms are not synonymous - Joseph Meleze Modrzejewski (The Jews of Egypt: From Rameses II to Emperor Hadrian)

The word Hebrew did not relate to a particular race but to the wise ones or Elders known as the Ibaru or Ibri of Ireland, and later, of Egypt. The ancient name for the land of Ireland was Hibernia, and the ancient Irish were known as Hibernians. This is a Irish word and also denoted those tribes which inhabited Spain. Spain's old name was Iberia. In short, the original Hebrews - were Irish. They were an ancient race of Elders who venerated the stars and the zodiac and who had stellar churches and learning centers all over the world. After they had made their journeys into Eastern lands, taking with them their wisdom, they were court instructors to most foreign kings and prices, and to the pharaohs of Egypt. They may even have been pharaohs in the land Egypt. In any case, the intelligent and creative people of the world's nations aspired to attend their many mystery schools.

It was of great importance to the modern church to obscure the existence and origin of these priesthoods of the sun. In our work we have found two main causes for the confusion, both based on conscious mistranslation and misspelling of the nouns. As Conor Mac Dari wrote in 1923:

One of the easiest and most effective ways to promote a deception is by the misspelling of words...In the translation from the original Irish scriptures, the Irish names were changed by the practice of the most astute cunning in order to conceal the source from which they were obtained. In many instances these names have been distorted and misspelled to such an extent that it has required long sustained and patient effort to trace them to their true and proper form - (The Bible: An Irish Book)

So, apparently, the first attempt at grammatical deception concerns the word Ibaru. This word is the origin of "Hebrew." The letter "H" often meant the same things as the modern "the" or "le" in French. Hebrew was more likely "the Ebaru," or "the Ibaru." The second deception employed concerned a chance similarity between the word Ibaru to the word Apiru, (or Apir, in Egyptian) allowed it to be conveniently and surreptitiously transposed into a racial title. The ancient word Apiru can be found in Sumerian, Assyrio-Babylonian and Egyptian texts. It referred to a wanderer, an immigrant or an undesirable person or group of people. It was used to denote those who were living within the borders of a sovereign country but who were a disturbance or nuisance, and who were not wanted. It may also have come from the term abr (or obr) which also refers to "passers-by" or to "travelers," or those without a homeland. Apiru is also thought to have referred to farmers or shepherds and even to wanderers and immigrants. This connotation allowed some scholars to connect the Hebrews with the "Hyksos" people of Egypt. There is great debate over the origins of the Hyksos and there is little consensus among scholars regarding their true identity.

For more than a hundred years, orientalists have likened the word 'Ibri to the terms 'Apiru, found in Egyptian texts, and Habiru, its cuneiform equivalent. These terms, signifying "dusty" or "dust-covered," apply to western Semitic populations spread over a vast territory, extending from Egypt to Mesopotamia; they were semi-nomads roaming around the fringes of the desert, on the marches of sedentary society. Their identity is obscure; it may be approximated by an anthroponymic reference to a national divinity, 'Apir-Baal, "the dusty one of Baal," or 'Apir-El, "the dusty one of El." By vigorously sifting the "dust", these marginal people could occasionally be put to use and absorbed into the local population as workers or soldiers. But "civilized" society still looked upon them with fear and distrust - Joseph Meleze Modrzejewski (The Jews of Egypt: From Rameses II to Emperor Hadrian)

In Egyptian the word Eebre, (Hebrew Eber) referred to rivers and to water. The reference here was most probably to the Nile, and to the schools of the Hebrew which existed along that great river. With the "H" added to the beginning of the word, we have "the Eber," that is, "the men of the river." Rivers were always considered sacred to the ancients, and were connected to esoteric knowledge. The Rhine river, for instance, takes its name from the Germanic word Rune, meaning "sacred knowledge," or "source of wisdom." Men of the River, therefore, referred to those of the "Underground Stream" of hermetic knowledge. In the Papyrus of Hunefer in the Egyptian Book of the Dead, we see Osiris enthroned upon the sacred river, or pool of water, from which arises the papyrus plant with the four sons of Horus. A famous papyri on healing from Egypt is known as the Eber Papyrus


STAR
A very important term in the ancient world. The word, and the symbol of the star, was used as a title to distinguish high level adepts and initiates of "Judaic" cults and sects. The Queen of Sheba, for instance, meant "Queen of the Star." The so-called "Star of David," is really the star of the Hyksos Dynasty of kings in Egypt, that history knows as the Israelites.


CARPENTER
Refers to architects and masons, those initiates of sacred esoteric sects and guilds. From the Egyptian Setepenre, it was a title used by the Egyptian Pharaohs. In Greek poimen, meant the "king's counselors." This gives a new light to the story of the Nativity which tells of three "Shepherds" visiting the newly born Jesus Christ. (See Gospel of Luke). Akhenaton referred to himself as the "Architect," and this term is frequently used by Freemasons.

AMEN
Here we have a name from the Egyptian sidereal period, their sun-god and highest divinity. Yet we have at the end of every Christian prayer the word Amen. Amen is the sun and one of the earliest Egyptian gods.

EASTER
A long celebrated ritual period, that the Christians particularly recognize as the time of the resurrection of the son of god. What their illustrious seniors do not explain is that the word Easter comes from the compression of the words eastern and star. The star that rises or resurrects on the spring equinoctial point is again, the sun itself and not a man. This is why the Jewish feast of the Passover is called Passover. It is because the sun has literally passed over the equinox at Aries, from the winter seasons into the new year. In fact the feast comes from the Age of Aries, which is why lamb's blood was smeared on the "doors," meaning houses of the zodiac. Easter also contains the word aster, again meaning star.

ATONEMENT
In the Christian religion we are told to seek atonement with God and for our sins. However, what we are not told is that the word means Aton-ment, suggesting oneness with Aton, the Semitic Adonai. Aton also gives us words like Eaton

AUM/OM
This word is similar to Amun or Amon. The Irish alphabet is called the Ogham. This word is, however, pronounced "Aum." The connection of words to mantras should be obvious to those who study the mysteries. As 1 is the root of number, so Aum, it is believed, is the root of all language. It is suggestive that the Celts seem to have recognized this fact in the naming of their alphabet. (For more on this particular subject, see the works of Nigel Pennick, Robert Graves, Charles Squire, Jim Fitzpatrick and Godfrey Higgins, etc.)

CONNAUGHT
Conn, like caan, cahen, cohen, etc, means "serpent," and in Hebrew it means Priest. This was the Province of the great and most ancient Stellar Cult. They were always revered as Magi and the symbol of their wisdom was the Serpent. Even Christ, the paragon of the Solar Cult was reminding his disciples to be "... as wise as Serpents." Now this statement is abstruse and enigmatic until we acknowledge that Christ was referring to the "Serpent People," renowned as the keepers of the high arts of mathematics, temple construction, naturopathy and Magick. Ireland and its Cults, however, suffered the same fate as the rest of the world at the advent of the solar Christian paradigm. The solar priest Patrick (called saint), is said to have come down from the "holy mountain" and declared to the assembled that he had cast out all the serpents form Ireland. People must have been quite puzzled, as they are today, on hearing this as there have never been any snakes in the land of Ireland. The reader may now know to what the words relate. They refer not to the casting out of snakes (what a job for a famous Saint), but to the Serpent-People, who would indeed be rooted out, lock, stock and barrel, by the descending hegemony, of which Patrick was the ambassador. The Arthurian Legends relate the same tale and truth, of the supplanting of one epoch with another. Many scholars contend that the word Cain and its other spellings refers to the land of Canaan. This is only partly true. The Stellar Cult was also proliferate in the land of Canaan (which is why this land is so denigrated in the Old Testament). However Canaan could not compete in majesty with the nearby Egypt, which really contributed to the world’s civilization. Canaan can rightly be considered a satellite locale. Now this brings us back to the words cain or koen, etc. This word actually derives not from Canaan, but from the Egyptian’s name for their own country, which was Khenn or Khem. This is where the words chemistry and alchemy come from. The name for Egypt was Khen which can be rendered cahen, cain, canaan, coen, koen, conn, etc. The word Khan derives from it also. The male name Kenneth (Ken), means, "Man of Egypt" and the English county of Kent was named by those "Celtic" Scythian travelers from Egypt.

GAELIC
Comes from Gal, meaning white or pure. It has the secondary meaning of "foreigner," connoting a stranger from far away. May originate with the Sumerian, Ab-Gal, meaning "masters of wisdom." One of the great Celtic tribes was called the Fir Bolg, incorrectly and habitually translated as "Men of the Bags," when in fact it really means the "Men of Wisdom."

CAIN
Comes from the word Cahen (or Caan), known even in the Mexicos, as meaning Serpent or Priest. Today we have Cohen. This is the Hebrew line of temple Priests. It also gives Canaan, called by the Patriarchs a land of Serpent worship. The worshippers of the Serpents were the Stellar or Sidereal Cult, which preceded the Solar, Lunar and Saturnian Cults. The Stellar Cult were renowned as the keepers of the great wisdom, as masters of the zodiac. This is the reason why we even hear Christ reminding his disciples to be as "...wise as serpents." However, it became imperative that the later Church Fathers utterly remove from history or theology any mention of their existence. The Indian or Persian term Khan, comes from this Can also. The place in France called Cannes, is named so because of it being a place of the Stellar Cult. It is not by chance that the film festivals are held there. Almost all the film production companies use sabean symbolism and the personages behind them, regard themselves as the new priests of the Gnosis. (See; Industrial Light and Magic, Dreamworks, Touchstone, Paramount, Columbia, Universal, Orion, Lion's Gate, Viacom, Hollywood Pictures, Tristar, MGM, RKO, CBS, Arista, Gramercy, Castle Rock, Trilogy, CTS, Cannon, Starz, FOX, Meridian, etc, etc, etc,) "Hollywood," has that name for a reason. In ancient times the Druids of the Stellar Cult used to cut their magic wands from only one kind of tree. The wands were made from only one kind of wood, the wood from the Holly Tree. So we still find that those magi in the movie business are putting their "spells" on us. The makers of cinema know all about the libido, sexuality, desires and drives of the human beings that they are trying to pacify and control. The fact that "programs" are called "programs" is fascinating in itself. Programs are what one puts in a computer. They see the human mind as a computer and have been installing their virus-ridden programs every day for decades.

SATAN (and Lucifer)
This is a word that simply meant "one who tempts" and it referred to any contradicting, skeptical or accusatory agent and their argument. Within holy orders, like the Essenes, a "satan" was a detractor or opposition party. There was nothing supernatural about a satan. To oppose any hegemony, is therefore to be "satanic." So we see that there is a big difference between satan and Lucifer. Lucifer was originally based on the pagan god Mars. Later satan became identified with Mars, the red fiery planet. In the Bible we have Jesus turning to Peter and saying "get thee behind me satan." If we take Jesus to be the sun, then we can take this statement to be of astro-theological significance. Mars occasionally rises heliacally, that is with or even before the sun. The priests of the sun, in the Solar-Cult, would exclaim from their temples "get thee down" or "get thee below" or "get thee behind, satan," in order to not have their deity be ousted, rivaled and outshined.

Nowhere in the Genesis account is there any mention, direct or indirect, of Satan’s involvement, and yet it has become common practice for the Church to portray the serpent as an emissary of Satan, or even as Satan himself - Laurence Gardner

ISRAEL
A fascinating composite word, ISIS, RA and EL. These are three gods of the ancient Cults. There where four major Cults, one replacing the other through time. Eventually, the Cults formed a corporations, so to speak, and joined forces. The earliest known Cult was the Stellar. Next came the Lunar, followed by the Saturnian and Solar Cults. Each cult had separate gods, but they also worshipped aspects of the same god. The word Israel was used by the Phoenicians to represent their god Saturn or Cronos. It may also have come from Iesa, the sun god of the Druids.

AUM (OM)
This meant sun, or light, or oneness. It may derive from Ahom, the first letter of the Egyptian alphabet, which was the same as the Greek Alpha, and Hebrew Aleph. The ideogram for the letter Ahom was a golden eagle. Many symbols of state and business still feature the capital letter "A" near to the symbol of the eagle. In Ireland the sacred alphabet was called Ogham. This word is pronounced Om or Aum. The connections between the world's magical alphabets have been noticed and written upon for centuries.

YULE
Comes from the same root as wheel. At Yule (the Winter Solstice, Christmas) the zodiac has rotated a full turn, like a wheel. The Roman title or name "Julius" comes from this. Julius Caesar for instance, was crowned at the winter solstice, under the god Jupiter. Caesar was infatuated with the Venus/Maia, which he considered his patron goddess.

LAZARUS
Originally French L’azuras or L’asur, means, the Asura. Asur, Asura. Asurya is the sun. The Egyptian name for Osiris is Asur. The raising of Lazarus, is connected to the raising of the dead sun at the Solstice points, especially winter when Virgo is on the Eastern horizon. Later during the Solar Cult the raising of Lazarus in the home of the Biblical Mary, another virgin, was to do with the opening of the Egyptian New Year, July 25th, then in the sign of Virgo. Moreover, the word Asur (sun) also gives the prefix for the male gender, Sir or Sire. Even in India it is the same - Sri. These mean the "noble ones."

MICHAEL
From makal, meaning "Word of God."

SEVEN
From the Egyptian Sevekh, a god. Also from Seshet (see Statue of Liberty). Also from Sebek-Ra, the crocodile god ruling over time.

ABRACADABRA
This word is Persian. It is an incantation and really reads, Abr - Acad - Abr. This translates as, god-the one-god. Literally, "there is but one true God."

HOOD
As in the composite myth of Robin Hood. The word may derive from hod or hog, which in Anglo-Saxon and Scandinavian means Hawk. Robin the Hawk, This fits, as he was identified with Horus and with adroit marksmanship, skill and cunning as well as the fact that he fought the powers of evil

MYSTERY
From Egyptian, mest or myst, which meant woman. The serpent was the symbol for mystery and the Egyptian glyph for woman was also interpretable for serpent. The connection between the Cult of the Priestess and the symbol of the serpent goes back to the pre-deluvian epoch and is an entire study of itself.

MASS
From the word for Woman and also from mes. This was the annual cake made from the clay gathered from the banks of the Nile and considered extremely sacred. It was ritually baked as small cakes and symbolized the life-giving properties of the female and the Nile which was personified as Isis.

BIBLE
From the word Buka. This Buka was the reeds which grew on the banks of the Nile. It gave one papyrus. From buka comes Book. Buka was also called Biblos.

TESTAMENT
From the word Testes, referring to the male generative organs, where the 'seeds of life,' are kept. Words were often thought of as the seeds of life. Moreover, the word Testes also connotes the light of the sun, without which all writing and reading would be impossible. The reason why one writes from left to right was because this is how the sun moved, from east to west across the sky. In other climes this would have been different. (See, "Moon Letters," etc.)

GOD
This word for Deity, originates from the Anglo-Saxon word Gott, which actually means Goat. This arises because the original tribes and peoples worshipped Deity as a goat, a stag or bull, or any horned animal. Due to the travesty of Christianity the very goat, symbol of God, is now the symbol of Satan the opposer of God. All original gods were shown with horns on their heads. This is why Michelangelo shows Moses with them, to mark his wisdom and spirituality. This is why monarchs and shamans have them in their head-dresses, i.e., crowns and coronets. Jews wear the Sheepskin.

EGYPT
The word gives us Gypsy. The Gypsies were reputed to have come from there.

CHRIST (JESUS)
Comes from Egyptian Karast, meaning Anointed. This gives Caress, Cast, Krishna. The Chaldean name of the sun was CHRIS. Karast means to Caress with Oil (hence Crisco oil). Christ was called the "Anointed One," accordingly. The name Krishna also gives rise to Tristna or Tristan (Arthurian legend). Both had evil uncles, both were physically beautiful, both masters of music (flute and harp) and both played to shepherds, etc, etc. Jesus comes from Jarrus or Jasus who was also called Iesus by the Romans. The Romans knew this being as the son of a high priest and dedicated to Neptune. This is of interest since Neptune is the planet ruler of Pisces the sign of the zodiac that is associated, esoterically, with Christianity. This Jasus was known to all Rome, but had no connection to Israel. Alexander the Great made his acquaintance. Moreover, the Druids had a patron god called Hesus, that had died and who would return as a Messiah. Volumes exist that have detailed the connection of the Christian Messiah with the more ancient Druidic schools. The Druids also worshipped the "Bloody Cross," long prior to the people of the Middle East or Romans. Mustafa Gadalla has exposed the fact that the entire "Holy Family" of the Christians derive from the dramatis personae of the Eighteenth Dynasty of Egypt. (See his classic Historical Deception).

An ancient word, spelt Nukt or Nukta, meaning Power. Still we use the slang "nuke." There may be a correlation between the word nuclear, and the name of the Sumerian god-king Enki, who is supposed to have brought mankind the secret of science, particularly genetics. The vowel-less consonants of this name are, NK. This is also the root of the word ANKH which was the symbol of the gods (really spelling or indicating ANU. N. AKI). The symbol represented their special status and knowledge and the fact that they were, in all likelihood, keepers of the mysteries of the science of life.

ATOM
From the word Aton, meaning light or sun or force. Atoms have been compared to miniature solar systems. This word also appears to correlate with a god of ancient times, specifically the progenitor god - Atum, who was known and described, suggestively, as the First Cause.


RA
Meaning Light. This gives us the words Ray and Raj. Many English names end in ray or rey to commemorate the light- (Geoffrey, Deborah, Sandra, etc,).

NUMBER
Comes from the Egyptian god KNUMN, who was the Potter-God, who fashions man, instilling in him the frequencies of life.

ATON
Is the root of the word Atom and gives us words like Eaton and atonement. It is also an anagram of NATO. In the later Hebrew, Aton becomes Adon (Adonai) the name for God. And along with E, the letters A, T, O and N, are the most frequently used of the twenty-six English letters.

AMEN
Comes at the end of every Christian prayer, yet is the Egyptian word for the sun.

MOSES
From mosis, meaning the "royal son." Moses was actually Amenhotep IV, or Akhenaton, pharaoh of the Eighteenth Dynasty of Egypt. It also derives from Meshe, Anointed one or One who Anoints, indicating an initiator.

VATICAN
This derives from Vaticinia, or "Place of Divinations." It also has the meaning "Place of the Sorcerers." Underneath St. Peter’s Square there are miles of mazes and catacombs, reportedly, 25 miles of shelves upon which is kept the secret Vatican Library. (All the astronomical telescopes and observatories in the world are funded and controlled by the Vatican).

CREATOR
Same a the word creature, from the German Kreator, which meant "creature." Creature signifies Nature, not the anthropomorphic God as creator. This definition also parallels the Gnostic precept that the god of Judeo-Christianity is, in fact, the "Demiurge" or fallen archon.

PARIS
From Perisii, or Parisii, meaning - temple of Isis. There was also a place on the Nile river called Paris. The Seine river is the French Nile. The Cult of the Black Madonna is clearly found behind the building in the Notre Dame cathedral and many of the other structures in Paris and other civic centers are from Egypt, see the obelisks, pyramids, sphinxes, gargoyles, towers, gardens and city layouts, etc. Paris is a strong cultic and occultic center and the sexual libertinism that it is renowned for is not altogether disconnected from this. Other cities like Venice and Vienna get their names from the same Goddess (Isis and Venus are names and expressions of the same deity).

PHARAOH
Comes from Pharong, meaning the Liberated One. Also from para or bara, meaning brother. In Hindi the word for brother is pra. It is also connected to the term pharos (fire) meaning light and effulgence. It also derives from the Greek pharos-nous, or lighted mind. Pharoneus or Pharomeus gives Prometheus, the light-bringer of the later Greeks. The word Farragh, was used in Scotland and Ireland, meaning Chieftain.

SACRED
As well as sacrifice, sacrament, etc, comes from the Sacer or Zakar, meaning, phallus.

SERPENT
In Arabic this is Hayyat (Interesting similarity to Hiatt). In Hebrew the word Hawwa, becomes Hevvva, or Eve. The relationship between the serpent or the dragon and the female goes very far back and permeates all mythologies, right up to its most mundane and denigrated rendition in the Christian epoch.

[synergy777]

http://www.redicecreations.com/specialreports/mtsarion.html

Michael is also the grandson of Tara Singh, the renowned philosopher, author and teacher of the theosophic tome A Course in Miracles. He was the intimate friend of J. Krishnamurti (the World Teacher), Swiss architect Le Corbusier, Keith Critchlow, Alan Chadwick, Eleanor Roosevelt and President Nehru. He was entrusted, by the latter, with India’s 5-year plan of restoration after British withdrawal. Tara Singh was also played a key role in the Rev. Paul Solomon’s Fellowship of Inner Light, one of the first true American mystery schools. He now heads the Foundation for Life Action in Los Angeles

The old English spelling of King is "Cing" As in ancient Sanskrit appellation King, Cing, Singh, Simha or Simba (Swahili) for lion meaning powerful chief or leader.

The English language, full of such descendants perceived directly in relation to its sister dialects, Hindi and Bengali is no further remote from Sanskrit. Apparently Sanskrit similarly supplies integral structure and identifying roots of English.

now craigs main man tsarion is a sikh/singh brother of mine, so what are his views on vedic/celtic, race mixing now?

[Mo0n5tar]

Hey Syn, just last night i was reading Moses and Monotheism by Sigmund Freud, well it seems Freud himself saw many parallels between Egyptian philosophies and Indian, that Egypt was an extremely large empire would make it plausible that elements of Vedic theology would find their way in perhaps through Syria etc, and consequently feature somewhat in the new monotheism emerging from the city of Akhet-Aten, when i get the links between ISRAEL and Egypt down i certainly want to look into the Vedic period more thoroughly.

Syn you ever heard of the links between the Massai of Africa and the Judaic religion, seems they faced an exodus at around the same time as the first Mono-theists.

[synergy777]

modern egyptains, are hyskos who came from india, the arabic looking ones eg mido. the hyskos invaded, took over egypt, became the royalty/clergy. my brother went to egypt, the egyptains there speak openly about this fact and gave preferential treatment due to this.

original egyptains were african, nubians, cush, sudan etc.

don't know about the masai thats much, will look into it bro. nice 1.

[synergy777]

to learn about the origin of jews, ask the greatest jewish historian, flavius josephus.

http://www.ccel.org/j/josephus/works/JOSEPHUS.HTM

contra apinon, chapter 1 verse 22:16


Quote:
This man then, [answered Aristotle,] was by birth a Jew, and came from Celesyria; these Jews are derived from the Indian philosophers; they are named by the Indians Calami, and by the Syrians Judaei, and took their name from the country they inhabit, which is called Judea; but for the name of their city, it is a very awkward one, for they call it Jerusalem

after all what would a jew know about his history, lol.

as for Michael Tsarion, his grandad is a sikh Tara Singh, he highlights the celtic/vedic link.

from india to iraq/iran/ARYA, to egypt (hyskos/gypsies = romanies), then onto eire, via the iberian/spain route. also another route through anatolia/turkey and germany.

i have tried in vain to show this common global heritage, and i have used good sources like romany's, tsarion and josephus. aswell as numerous italian and irish vedic/celtic sites.

then again in even in this field, branding/image is everything.


this global vedic heritage and the yashuah/buddha/krishna angle are two things that unite us all, please read and feel free to analyse, comment on.

added to this is the scientific angle, the wave/particle duality, holographic/fibonacci and the powers of mind/spirit eg esp, remote viewing, astral/lucid dreaming.

science, history and religion, connect the dots. then add the endgame and the dossier threads,

its a good starter/basic info on the game.

synergy777, the copy and paste maestro, lol

the real jesus
http://www.davidicke.com/forum/showthread.php?t=11410

freemasonary is religion
http://www.davidicke.com/forum/showthread.php?t=11598

remote viewing
http://www.davidicke.com/forum/showthread.php?t=11600

[synergy777]

endgame plan

http://www.davidicke.com/forum/showthread.php?t=5924

[synergy777]

the nwo dossier

http://www.davidicke.com/forum/showthread.php?t=6061

[anoninnyc]

synergy, you remind me of the greek father in my big fat greek wedding

[synergy777]

explain, never watched it sis.

[anoninnyc]

explain, never watched it sis.

oh, it is just a joke. he is a super greek man who is very very proud of being greek and claims that everything originates from greece. it is a cute movie.

[synergy777]

http://www.veda.harekrsna.cz/connections/index.php

http://www.veda.harekrsna.cz/connections/

Connections: Ancient Vedic World

In India I found a race of mortals living upon the Earth,
but not adhering to it. Inhabiting cities, but not being fixed to them,
Possessing everything but possessed by nothing.

-Apollonius Tyanaeus, Greek thinker and traveller, 1st century AD

search for the truth within and out.

[synergy777]

vedic links to australia.

http://www.veda.harekrsna.cz/connections/Australia-and-Oceania.php

Ancient Australian Ganesha and Hanuman Artifacts
Vedic Maori of Aotearoa

Ancient Australian Ganesha and Hanuman Artifacts found in the Gympie District, Queensland, Australia

The Gympie Times 30/10/75

At Dogun, schoolboy Cliff Brown, 13, found an elephant about 100mm high carved from beige granite. It is thought to be the Hindu God Ganesha.

Note: Although obvious to most, it should be noted that elephants and apes are not native to Australia.

Once We Were Brothers
Evidence Connects Native New Zealanders to India
by Jaya Tirtha Charan dasan

In 1990 we (my wife and three children) had the great good fortune to come to Aotearoa (The Land of the Long White Cloud). When I came here I knew practically nothing of the cultural attributes that pervaded New Zealand (Aotearoa) other than that I'd heard from my education, that New Zealand was colonised primarily by the British to provide a food supply for the struggling and expanding cities of Europe just prior to, and during the time of the industrial revolution.

We'd had the good fortune to also live and travel extensively in India on several occasions, and so were familiar with the look, physiognomy of what is generally termed the Indo-Aryan physiognomy of peoples. We had learned to distinguish the darker wiry haired Tamils, from the light skinned residents of Uttar Pradesh, the rounded faces of the Bengalis from the slender faces of the Nepalese, or the heavy features of the Punjabis, etc. It becomes quite natural after living in India for a number of years to assess like this. So when we came to New Zealand I was amazed at how much the mass of Maori people looked like those of the Indian subcontinent. When we first came to New Zealand I think the first thing I noticed was that the Deities of Sri Sri Radha Giridhari were very beautiful, Radharani in particular. Actually to confirm my thoughts, one day I was coming back to the temple by public transport and I saw a young Maori girl who looked almost identical to the exquisitely beautiful features of Srimati Radharani - everyone at the bus stop noticed too, I observed.

At the temple at that time there were a number of devotees who had come from the local indigenous Maori peoples, and I was impressed with speaking with them. In particular, one devotee Madhu Pandit prabhu who told me of an oral tradition that his grandfather had told him of, when he was a small boy, before getting involved in Krishna consciousness, that the Maori peoples originated in India. He impressed me, in that he told of the social structure of the Maori having a learned priestly class, a warrior class, as well as those set up for trade, and the workers. In discussing with other devotees with links to the Maori culture it came to the fore that among the people, or at least the elders, this was pretty much common knowledge. Somehow, they had struggled to keep their culture alive in an oral tradition, even against the strong onslaught of the preaching of the missionaries who came to teach Christianity.

These devotee told me of a struggle that had ensued much like that of the devotees in India, who had fought the British Raj to maintain their Vedic culture amid the torrid waves of being called savages, uncivilised, etc. The devotees told me of books that had be written by sympathisers of the Maori, written from a Maori perspective, although written by Pakeha (Europeans).

Today in New Zealand there's a revival of the Maori culture, with bilingual classes in schools, TV programs and government grants for Maori land owners, and book publications, etc. Things never dreamed of before.

Over the past year I've been doing a great deal of research into a subject which although has been around for some time hasn't been exposed to the masses of people in general. Some suggest that suppression of information has been one of the colonialist's and especially the Crowns' major weapons in circumventing indigenous cultures all over the world. Especially in regard to the similarities found throughout the Old World, in favour of what they like to call 'the developed world' of Europe. A few years ago when I did a degree on Social Anthropology, Sociology, Social Policy, Systems of Healing, Social Work Practice, Theory and Ethics, and Counselling, etc., I found myself in a situation where I had to learn about the Maori culture. Having read numerous views on how the various cultures conducted themselves, their beliefs, objects of worship, and practical application through art and symbology, has further endorsed the notion that there is throughout the world a common Vedic heritage.

With so few people on this planet, together, it's not that difficult to appreciate how continents have become populated by travellers venturing out to 'new" or 'unknown places'. In the religious cultures and traditions of the world there are so many historical quests, banishments, and even gifts of tracts of land to sages, kings, and peoples. Unfortunately for us, over spans of time some of the details become obscured for one reason or another. From the view of the Vedantist, truths never stay hidden for long, despite the plans of materialistic man to control what he sees around him.

Some are of the opinion that the Maori originated in South America, while others suggest that they were one of the lost tribes of Israel. Many of the reasoning's for this are based on the looks of the peoples of those areas today, the physiognomy; facial features, lip structure, shape of the fore head, shape of head, cheek bones, chin, nose, - all of which like most races are distinct unto themselves, with obvious influences of inter-breading from other cultures giving variations of the distinctness as in that of the Maori of New Zealand.

However, when we start looking at other indigenous peoples around the world, along with suggested expeditions of discovery that are known to be part of the Maori migration throughout the Pacific region, especially, a slightly stronger case begins to develop for the Maori originating in Northern Asia, and more specifically, what is known as modern day India.

Supporting that theory, recently scientists from Victoria University in Wellington (New Zealand) began to take samples of DNA from women from all areas of the earth. The idea behind this, as suggested in the Srimad Bhagavatam too, is that it is the mother who provides the body for the jivas who are born, while the father (bijaman) is the one who provided the seed. In that way genealogical trees develop and grow.

Origins: "Genes link Maori to Asia" (From TVNZ Six o'clock Newscast)

Research by biological scientists at Victoria University points to Maori ancestors originally migrating from North Asia thousands of years ago.

The research team from the university's biology department has just finished a detailed analysis of earlier studies of the gene patterns of different ethnic groups.

They have found levels of a gene in Maori are similar to those found in many Asian populations and bear a strong resemblance to the gene patterns of indigenous groups such native Malays.

Steven Marshall from the research team says the work also links Maori with a genetic group who migrated from North Asia around 8,000 years ago.

He says this group filtered itself amongst islands in Melanesia, West Polynesia over a period of time before a smaller group travelled to New Zealand. (TVONE Network News. Tue Aug 11th 18:22hrs 1998.)

To me this is a brilliant finding. On the live newscast the reporter mentioned that after examining mothers from all the major continents, i.e. South America, Europe, Africa, and Northern Asia, as well as South East Asia there were distinct similarities in the DNA found in the Northern Asian countries that were totally absent in all the other continents. In some cases where they did find similar DNA it was realised that this DNA structure had developed secondary (through possible inter breading), and not as a primary base through migratory family lineages.

For some time theories were supported by some members of the Maori peoples that their origins was possibly in the South Americas, or possibly even in Europe. However, with today's findings, and the support of conclusive DNA testing there is no doubt to support our theory as being true, and that the origins of the Maori peoples was definitely from the Northern Region of Asian mainland mass. Some speculation is that the origins may be China or that region, but cultural differences, genealogical differences, physical differences, and psychological differences seem to discount this theory entirely. If there is any trace in those regions, then we would say that they are not original, but secondary, through tribes passing through the areas in question.

The strongest similarities are to be found when tracing back the origins of tribes throughout the Northern Indian region. Many of the tribes, like those who the modern day Punjabis descend from, and those of the Assamese resemble the Maori features. While examining the basis of the Maori and Vedic cultures, we find that philosophically and culturally, many similar concepts and views between the two cultures remain. In tracing back cultural links and the obvious distinct similarities, brings us to the only logical and feasible conclusion, that such origins were indeed in that tract of land what we now call the Indian Subcontinent. In this regard, on examining the Maori culture, and its origins we have found some truly amazing comparisons in social structure, physiological (Indo-Aryan) appearance, and standards of sacridity.

When on the newscast some local Maori were approached and asked about what they thought, they were obviously not overtly phased by the finding, and even lightly joked as that being why so many Indians were still coming here.

In any culture, it is apparent where the roots lie when one starts to look at the infrastructure of the way people govern their lives, who is in the centre, the emphasis on religion, the positions taken by the priesthood, the elders, and social and familial structures, as well as the rites of passage, and festivals, etc., that reflect the inner most rhyme and reasoning


It is often not until we start to cross compare, and look for common roots that we find just how intrinsically seamless we are as common sons of the same Universal Father, God. Hopefully these findings will take away much if not all it has been so easy for the past to reveal of the "differences" of man, mostly for political purposes.

The Maori worship a multi-faceted "God", who has numerous names according to the function that He performs. The core of the esoteric theology of the Maori was the concept of the Supreme Io which remained wholly unrevealed to foreign inquirers for many decades after the first contact of Europeans and Maori. The Tohunga (Maori priesthood) protected the worship of Io from the religiously ignorant, and from those who may have blasphemed Him, very much like the Brahmins of Vedic times did by writing in codes, etc. If one enquired about God in a challenging way or obviously ignorant fashion, one would be politely re-directed to another priest way across town, who for his part would in turn re-direct the enquirant on to another priest who too could competently handle the situation, by referral.

"In speaking of the gods of the Maori the first matter calling for attention is that of classification. If we include in our purview all beings termed atua by the Maori, and on whom they relied for help in the crisis of life, then it will, I believe, be necessary to form our atua maori into four classes.

In the first grade, and standing alone in His majesty, comes Io, He who is termed Io the Parent, Io the Parentless, Io the Great, and Io of the Hidden Face. The second class is composed of what may be called departmental gods, as those who preside over war, peace, the forest, winds, ocean, agriculture, etc. Then we come to a third class, whom I term tribal gods, not so widely known as those of the second class, and of a somewhat lower grade. Lastly we come to such as are spirits of the dead forebears, and knowledge of whom is confined to a small area."(Elsdon Best [1856-1931]. R.A. Falla. 1954. Some Aspects of Maori Myth & Religion. page 23.)

In Maori thought there was an esoteric as well as a popular version of creation and God. The one was in the keeping of the tohunga (priests); the other was kept alive as fireside stories of the common peoples. Neither contradicted the other; rather they supplemented and enriched each others presentation with practical faith as well as philosophical and allegorical depiction. This is very much similar to the Sruti (Vedas) and Smrti (Puranas, etc.) of Vedic culture.

"In the beginning, Io existed alone in the realm of Te Korekaore, in His passive sate as Io-matamoe, Io-mata-ane, Io-kore-te-whiwhia (Io of the slumbering countenance, Io of the calm and tranquil countenance, Io the unchanging and unadulterated in whom there is no confusion and inconsistency). Nothing existed before Io, for He alone was the pre-existent as Io-matua-kore the parentless, as Io-matua the first parent, as Io-mau the precursor, as Io-pukenga the first cause, as Io-taketake the foundation of all things."(Michael King. 1992. Te Ao Hurihuri - Aspects of Maoritanga. page 130.)

Similarities in the Hindu / Indo-Aryan / Vedic understanding of God are found with the Creative Lord of the Universe Maha Vishnu rests in Divine sleep - slumbering countenance; tranquil transcendence; who is eternal / unchanging, ever existent; all pure / never adulterated or contaminated; Who is never bewildered; the first primeval Being; is never "Born" as we are, and does not have any actual birth parents - being unborn, although for His loving pastimes selects His devotees to act as His parents to enjoy parental love; He is the original cause of all causes; the strength of the strong, and the thread upon which everything (as pearls) rests.

"'We know', writes J.E. Carpenter in his Comparative Religion, "....that both India and Greece reached the conception of a unity of energy in diversity of operation; 'the One with many names' was the theme of Hindu seers long before AEschylus in almost identical words proclaimed 'one form with many names'."(Elsdon Best [1856-1931]. R.A. Falla. 1954. Some Aspects of Maori Myth & Religion. page 26.)

'The number of men initiated into the cult of Io was but small; only members of the higher grade of priestly experts and men of high-class families, were allowed to learn the ritual pertaining to it. The common folk apparently had no part in it and it is doubtful if they were even allowed to know the name of the Supreme Being. The cult of Io was an esoteric one; that of the lower tribal gods may be termed exoteric. All ritual and ceremonial pertaining to Io was retaining in the hands of the superior priesthood, by no means a numerous body. It may be described as an aristocratic cultus, known only to such experts and the more important chiefs. It is quite probable, indeed, that this superior creed may have been too exalted for ordinary minds, that such would prefer to depend on more accessible and less moral deities.(E.S. Craighill Handy, Polynesian Religion, Bernice P. Bishop Museum Bulletin 34 (Honolulu1927), pp. 95-6; quoting Edward Treagear, The Maori Race (Wanganui, 1904) pp. 450-2 and Elsdon Best, Some Aspects of Maori Myth and Religion, p.20) From this we can see that they had a strong sense of taratamya (hierarchal worship) and Varna and Ashram too.

"The universe of Io is a well ordered creation. The supreme God has His home in Te-Toi-o-nga-rangi, the uppermost heaven. It is unapproachable by the messengers of the lesser gods, except by special permission, and the only door to it lies through Tawhiri-rangi.

"Only the messengers of Io, who have been purified, can survive the holiness of that heaven. At that place the whatu-kura and mareikura, the attendant of Io, have control over the other denizens of the over worlds, and on His behalf supervise the growth and order of the world. The mana-ariki (overlordship, the power of the highest chiefs) is theirs, and they go to and fro through all the heavens, the world and the underworld's. They are in effect the members of the spiritual body of Io.(A.W. Reed. 1974. Treasury of Maori Folklore - The Maori Pantheon, page 58.)

The similarities here also, with their being a uppermost heaven, reflects the Vedic Vaikuntha or Goloka Dham, where the worshippers of the demigods or unpurified souls cannot approach. There is also a clear indication that the lesser gods (demigods) rule departmental affairs, controlling the worlds on the Supreme Gods behalf, and order. As well as the strong inference that those purified messengers of Io / God are part and parcel of the spiritual body of the Lord / Io. Also the idea of one performing action that is not in line with the desire of the Lord being sinful or bringing about a bad reaction shows the concept of karma, teleological Free Will of the jiva (individual spirit soul), and Dukhalayam asasvatam - that the material world is the source of all suffering, but absorption in the Lord and His spiritual artefacts brings about liberation or release from such suffering.

On the cosmography of the universe and beginning of creation of the material world again there are strong similarities. When we read Sri Brahma Samhita we find lord Brahma, the secondary creator of this material world seated upon a lotus flower, surrounded by waters, alone in the darkness, then he heard a mystical sound Tapah Tapah...(giving direction and inspiration)....! When we look at the Maori cultural understanding of similar events we find that Tane was in a very similar situation, in the waters, surrounded by darkness when he too heard a mystic sound Tapa Tapa!!!

"In the night regions of soft light, Io established the several Hawaiki: Hawaiki Nui (great Hawaiki), Hawaiki-Roa (extensive Hawaiki), Hawaiki-Pamamao (far distance Hawaiki), Hawaiki Tapu (sacred Hawaiki) in which Io chose to dwell with His divine assistants. The Hawaiki became the abode of gods and heroes. But no one, other gods included, could enter Hawaiki Tapu for it was sacred to Io. The other Hawaiki were also sacred and in ancient times were not even mentioned in common talk except by oblique reference as Tawhiti Nui, Tawhiti Roa, Tawhiti Pamamao.

Having created the nights and the Hawaiki, Io brought into being the first gods, Rangi-awatea and Papa-tua-nuku, the male and female principles out of which all things derived. Awatea was the god of 'space and light' (atea and awatea) and the first heaven was created by him on the foundations established by Io. It was known as the heaven of Watea (Te Rangi-a-Watea). But having completed the first heaven, he looked below him and saw the spirit of Papa-tua-nuku (Mother Earth) and descended to cohabit with her. Out of this union sprang their first born, Tane and the other gods after him: Tangaroa, Rongo, Tumatauenga, Haumia-tike-tike, Ru-ai-moko, and Tawahiri-ma-tea.

But Rangi continued to cling to Papa-tua-nuku and gave up his task of completing the heavens. By this act, he doomed his offspring to dwell in perpetual darkness. Io the omniscient stirred his activity and sent the spirit of rebellion to stir the children to revolt. After consultation among the brothers they decided, with the exception of Tawhiri-ma-tea, to separate their parents and allow light into their world. After several abortive attempts, Tane conceived the idea of standing on his hands on Papa and thrusting against Rangi with his feet. His manoeuvre succeeded and Rangi was flung into the skies.

Tane was summoned by Io and after elaborate purificatory rites, he descended to the borders of Hawaiki Tapu where the sacred winds, the mouth-piece of Io, commissioned him to continue with the talks of completing the heavens. So the heavens were completed and became known as the great heavens of Tane (Rangi-nui-a-Tane). At the same time as Tane received the mana (potency) to complete the heavens, Io delegated through Tane various tasks for his brothers. So they became the regents of Io to continue creation in the departments of nature. Thus Tangaroa became the god of the sea, Rongo the god of vegetation, Ru-ai-moko divided the lands asunder, Tawhiri took over the meteorological department and Tu took over the war office. Tane reserved two departments for himself on earth, the forest and the birds, and the creation of man. The first human created was Hine-ahu-one (the maid that emerged out of dust). Tane took clay, moistened it with water and sculptured the form of the female. He then infused the breath of his nostrils (hongi) into her and she came alive. Meanwhile, Awatea had been summoned by Io (prior to Tane's commission), deprived of his mana and banished into the Night Realm. It was the mana from Awatea that was given to Tane."(Michael King. 1992. Te Ao Hurihuri - Aspects of Maoritanga. page 131-132.)

I'm not professing that all of this in every way is the same as the Vedic understandings of creation, etc., but some distinct aspects are very similar. Even when we look through various Puranas, or Ramayanas (Kumba Ramayan, Ananda Ramayan, Valmiki Ramayan, Adyatmika Ramayan) we find different perspective's, according to the vision and the participants there. In the similar way I'm suggesting that the similarities be noted, rather than the differences.

Tane and Brahma were designated as secondary creators, both heard Tapa Tapa, and took it to mean much the same thing; that there is one Supreme Being, who has numerous names; The Supreme God created a male and female principle - much like Shambu and Ramaa mentioned in Brahma Samhita; that various departmental 'demigods' were created to look after the functions of rainfall, vegetation, the sea, mankind, etc.; the infusing of the life air into a form is distinctly Vedic, as in the Pran-pratishta (installation - avahan) of an icon or Deity; the concept of mother earth; the hierarchal accessibility to the higher realms of the universe through (taratamya), gradation of purity in Vedantic theology.

One could argue that these are prominent in other cultures too, to which I would answer, "Yes, it is my proposal that Vedic culture was indeed at one time all over the world!" Those cultures that profess to have no contact with Vedic culture are either in denial, or are simply most unfortunate!!!!

As we mentioned earlier, there are also oral legends going back to claim that the original Hawaiki (home land) was actually referring to the sub-continent of what today we call northern India. The Melanesians talk of an original Hawaiki, and so do the Polynesians, so neither of them are original in themselves. There are several authoritative books that present this, (The Aryan Maori by Edward Tregear 1896; Who Are The Maori by AK Newman 1846.), showing similarities in language, custom, etc., and showing maps of transmigration, with numerous other books including the possibility (some we have cited herein). Other sources show, not only the possibility, but direct reference to names of tribes which are present in both Maoridom and indigenous tribes of India today.

The strength of Maori culture was transmitted orally, through the telling of stories/legends, song (waiata) and the reciting of whakapapa (genealogies). It was also represented in stylised form in carvings and woven panels that adorned whare (meeting houses). When one visits India, and parts of South East Asia some of the most prominent things to catch one are the graphic depictions of the ancient pastimes of the Lord, Sri Krishna, Lord Vishnu, and their pastime expansions, or cultural displays of the Mahabharata, the Ramayana, etc., etc., through similar culture symbology.

As far as practical day to day sacred rites, as in the Vedic samskaras, the Maori also have a system of daily rites of passage that mark the maturational development of individuals as they grow, create offspring and pass on. The practical role of the priesthood (Tohungas) are also almost identical in function with those of the Purohits (domestic priests) of India. The Tohunga would be employed to consecrate new buildings, to bless warriors going into battle, to bless new structures or buildings (Marae), performing birth ceremonies, name giving, and last rites, etc. Much of the rhyme and reasoning was the same as ours, the practical application according to linguistics and family tradition is mostly all that differs in the ritual symbolism. The Tohunga's function, like that of the Brahmin's is to serve, support and knit together the conditional stages of the people to directional development towards their constitutional positions as sons and daughters, or servants of the Supreme God - Io and Krishna, through which Varna (social functionality - teacher, administrator/warrior, commerce and labourers work) and Ashram (passage of spiritual shelter - student of te culure, joint family member - householder, retired, and elder/teacher) works.

As with so many other aspects of these two great cultures, likened to distant cousins, the concept of the joint family, whereby grand parents, aunts and uncles enhance the depth of family integrity, identity, moral strength and support looks after the destiny and direction of the people in general under its care. That is very prominent.

The Maori ran their communities in the same way as the Daivi Varnashram system, with the Tohunga giving cultural and philosophical direction, the warriors protecting, and the growing of crops, tending the fields being done by those who were unskilled in trade or priesthood. When the Maori went to war the women folk would also assist their men, sometimes taking up arms to defend their Pa (fortress or village). But as soon as the battle was over, they were again mothers and wives.

I'm not expecting miracles to happen, although certainly they could. But I would like to see that the Maori people, who are in general soft hearted and friendly, understand a little more of what the teachings of, and devotees of the International Society for Krishna consciousness have to offer in making accessible the highest knowledge of the Srimad Bhagavatam, and Bhagavad Gita, the kind of knowledge that formerly only the Tohunga had access to.

As with many of the indigenous cultures that were picked to pieces over the past century or so all over the world by the colonialists, now there is an awakening. The opportunity that Srila A.C. Bhaktivedanta Swami Prabhupad has made available to all of us, without exception, and that is now being delivered by his disciples and grand disciples is unprecedented to the disjointed youth of the world today. We have hope that through presenting these multi-cultural view-points of Krishna consciousness, that not only will this affect the plight of individuals by giving them, to the level that they accept it, love of Godhead. It will also affect, on a practical basis; the crime rate, the alcohol and drug use, youth suicides especially among young Maori, but also challenges that face middle aged Maori could be set back, and the cultural legacy be again replenished by their adopting something of the knowledge Krishna consciousness movement has to offer. Let us see what the Lord arranges!!!

In research, as well as presenting, the hardest thing has been to penetrate the wall of propaganda established by the Crowns' missionary arm of the last century's historians, who re-wrote the history of the world and obscured many ancient truths. On a broader scale, this is becoming common accepted knowledge. With the assistance of such favourable winds of change we are well on the way to producing a very informative book that will hopefully enhance empathy and mutual respect for both Maori culture and Krishna Conscious Vedic culture. (A slightly re-edited version of this article appeared in the January/April 1999 edition, Vol 17., No. 4. of Hare Krishna World Newspaper. page 28.)

If anyone has any evidence to support our research I would be very pleased to receive it. In due course of time there will be a book published in this regard - to date we have over 100pages of interesting nectar written down. If your iwi or whenu or friends have some oral history I'm keen to hear it. Please send an e-mail to me informing me of your finds. Kiaora

[synergy777]

GLOBAL VEDIC CULTURE FROM ARTIC TO AUSTRALIA

This to me is our global heritage. check this site out.

http://www.veda.harekrsna.cz/connections/index.php

Connections: Ancient Vedic World
In India I found a race of mortals living upon the Earth,
but not adhering to it. Inhabiting cities, but not being fixed to them,
Possessing everything but possessed by nothing.

-Apollonius Tyanaeus, Greek thinker and traveller, 1st century AD

More about Apollonius of Tyana, Western brahmana, can be found at:

www.apollonius.net/contents.html
www.livius.org/ap-ark/apollonius/apollonius01.html
www.alchemylab.com/apollonius.htm

Vedic culture originates in the spiritual world and in prehistory it was spread practically all over this planet (and others). Later these locations were gradually cut off and developed, or rather degraded, independently. Thus in the present world there are many differences on the basis religion. This leads to divisions, conversions, fanaticism, suppression and even terrorism. Many people wonder how to stop and reverse this trend. Some say that by completely eliminating the religion Those attempts failed because human beings are by nature spiritual beings.

Replacing religion with secularism as was done in the West is also no solution in a long run because such society without higher rules (dharma) quickly degrades and is opposed by hardline religions like Islam. We suggest that it can be done only by the knowledge of origin of all spirituality - the One and Only God who revealed His laws to various people in various places, times and circumstances. This accounts for some differences but the ultimate goal of life in all religious traditions is the same - to reconnect to God by following His laws.

When we search through various archeological, literary, astronomical and other ancient records with knowledge of Vedic culture, we find that ancient world looked a lot different than present history books suggest. Great civilizations and spiritual traditions around the world had more in common than generally known and the common denominator was the Vedic influence.

If one looks at various spiritual traditions, practically all have an external and an internal, devotional form. When one compares those devotional forms, esp. by looking at the lives of saints following them, it becomes clear that they are identical. The differences then remain on the outside for ignorant people to fight about...

"Whatever is read as declared in the Vedas and in other scriptures is regarded as authority. The authority of the Vedas and other scriptures not inconsistent with the Vedas is eternal.

"That person who bears in his understanding merely the texts of the Vedas and other scriptures without being conversant with the true sense or meaning of those texts, bears them fruitlessly. Indeed, one who holds the contents of a work in memory without comprehending their meaning is said to bear an useless burden." (King Janaka, Mahabharata, Santi Parva 306)

"Vaisnavism, Catholic Christianity, Pure Land Buddhism and sattvic theistic Saivism are not four different salvific devotional traditions with four different competing savior-gods invented by different races or cultures. They are four different regional developments of the same tradition with one trinitarian Godhead, and one savior, Lord Baladeva, worshiped in a variety of Visnu (Baal-Yahu, Lokesvara) and Siva forms. They are four forms of worship of the first person of the Godhead, through, with, in, and by the same second person. They are four traditions which are all inspired by the same Holy Spirit." (Bhakti Ananda Goswami, February 26, 2002)

Majority of spiritual and cultural connections presented in this section was discovered by HH Bhakti Ananda Goswami. This table shows connections considered for the last 3000+ years as different and divergent. It is based on 30 years of multidisciplinary research.

Maharaja experienced both verbal and physical attacks from fanatics of all sorts for revealing this information. I have assembled the table based on my understanding of Bhakti Ananda Maharaja's research. It should encourage your personal exploration of his research. It is a preliminary draft. Maharaja appreciates this effort and looks forward to help make additions and adjustments to perfect it. He also plans to have a website dedicated solely to this topic. Sift it thoroughly, verify it as much as you can and if you understand its importance and potential, spread it further by any means without change.

More of Maharaja's writings:

www.hknet.org.nz/BhaktiAnandaGoswami.html

Saragrahi.org - Articles By Bhakti Anand Goswami

Significant part of material in this section comes from Vrin Parker's former site Vedica and current Vedic Empire, previous version). We are using them with permission and gratefulness.

More links

Books on Connections:

Gods, Goddesses, and Images of God in Ancient Israel Othmar Keel, Christoph Uehlinger, translated by Thomas H. Trapp Fortress Press, 1998

Asclepius: Collection and Interpretation of the Testimonies/Volumes I and II in One Emma J. Edelstein, Ludwig Edelstein (Contributor), Gary Ferngren (Introduction) The Johns Hopkins University Press, 1998

Early Greek Philosophy and the Orient (Oxford Scholarly Classics) M. L. West Oxford University Press, 2001

Meditations on the Tarot: A Journey into Christian Hermeticism anon (Valentin Tomberg) Robert Powell (Translator), Hans Urs Von Balthasar (Afterword)

Hindu-Christian Dialogue: Perspectives and Encounters (Faith Meets Faith Series) Harold Coward Orbis Books, 1990

Song of Songs Marvin H. Pope Doubleday & Company, Inc., 1977
Sophia-Maria: A Holistic Vision of Creation Thomas Schipflinger Samuel Weiser, 1998

A Scholar's Odyssey Cyrus H. Gordon (autobiography) Society of Biblical Literature, 2000

Common Background of Greek and Hebrew Civilizations Cyrus H. Gordon W.W. Norton & Co Inc, New York, 1965
other writings by Cyrus H. Gordon

The Origin of Language: Tracing the Evolution of the Mother Tongue Merritt Ruhlen John Wiley & Sons; 1996

Rethinking India’s Oral and Classical Epics: Draupadi among Rajputs, Muslims and Dalits Alf Hiltebeitel Delhi, Oxford University Press, 2001 (about Bhavisya Purana, etc.)

The Cult of Tara Magic and Ritual in Tibet Stephan Beyer University of California Press, Berkeley, California, 1978

Prisoners of Shangri-La: Tibetan Buddhism and the West Donald S. Lopez University of Chicago Press, 1999

Sayings of the Desert Fathers Benedicta Ward Cistercian Publications, Rev edition 1987

The Way of The Pilgrim Walter J. Ciszek (Foreword), Helen Bacovcin (Translator) Image, Reprint edition 1978

The Philokalia, Volume 1 : The Complete Text; Compiled by St. Nikodimos of the Holy Mountain & St. Markarios of Corinth Faber & Faber 1983

Philokalia, Volume 4 : The Complete Text; Compiled by St. Nikodimos of the Holy Mountain & St. Markarios of Corinth Faber & Faber 1999

The Philokalia: The complete text Faber & Faber 1979

If you know of any material (articles, pictures, books, links) suitable for this topic, please let us know. Thank you very much.

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[synergy777]

yashuah ben yosef, how did he cope with being him, how did he cope with telling everyone about a loving compassionate father/source, whilst he had no help/support, no confirmation, no guidance. its his personal strength that humbles me, he didn;t go crazy/egotistic like shayler etc, but kept carrying on. his strength is super.

how did he know who he was, did he think it was coincidence/egotistical analysis, did he think he was crazy/deluded/arrogant, how did he cope?

kalki, mt kailash/lake of compassion is another strong place.


1love/peace

i'm outta here.

[phantom]

Hmmmmmm! Careful synergy777, you might get accused of spamming (http://www.davidicke.com/forum/showpost.php?p=218367&postcount=4).

Interesting post by the way!

[synergy777]

its not spamming, its just being organised (link) with the text, it saves people time clicking. lol

[phantom]

;), sorry, I was taking the pee with the link. Still, your post made interesting reading.

[synergy777]

its all good i like people who have a laugh/take the piss etc, i find too many people are serious, when they shouldn't be.

there are things to be serious about eg politics, history etc, and things to have a laugh about.

comedy is another things that humans have a monopoly on, you don't see many stand up comedians animals do you, or do they take the piss out of us, in their own methods/language unbeknown to us, one must ponder these serious issues.....

[zero1]

Thanks to Syn for such a wonderful thread. I must say though, it's almost too much information to take in! But in a good way...:)

[megafish33]

You always have some of the most interesting threads. Thank you for them. Amazing how far Vedic culture has reached! :eek: It has practically grasped the world! :cool:

[synergy777]

http://www.geocities.com/shivsantan/

http://www.veda.harekrsna.cz/connections/

tara also means star

[synergy777]

if there is vedic clobal culture which all our cultures comes from, if the origin of jews is india as stated by flavius then we must see the connection.

the people who migrated from the black/caspian seas over land and rivers such as danube/volga became europeans. then the other routes were through iran/middle east. these two split into the north africa/iberia-spain/british isles-eire/arya and the anatolia/turkey to germany. thus showing that celts/anglo saxons etc are all the same and have origins in the east.

there is no other culture with the coverage or data connecting all of us on this planet.

i am an adherent of the veic culture, from africa, asia, australia and europe, even up to the artic, and ancient times of atlantis/lemuria. not because of some indian pride but to come to a stage where i can see the world as one culture, one people, which in my mind is what we are.

from the african naga kings, who had devenaghi script which gave birth to sanskrit, from the vedic culture which went to russia, scandanavia, europe, greece, italy. the romany migrations, the hyksos, the jews.

the conflict of the linga/phallic/obelisk/mithras-bull sacrifice cult against the brahma/one god. this conflict is what we have today, you can ignore but you cannot deny it.

1 people, 1 source/god, 1 love.

[snoopsnuffleopagus]

Cordial Felicitations Syn:

Where do I find the Codex of Vedic Law. I have seen: The Law, refered in some Vedic Quotes you have Posted.

I would like to compare the Vedic Codex of Law with the Torah


Syn, doesn't it all boil down (Tincture)


Control Yourself, or, Outside Forces will control you for you.



Be Well, Amigo




Kind Regards: Snoopsnuffleopagus

[synergy777]

snoop, the vedic laws are the same as most of the torah. i respect the torah more than the books which followed it eg bible/koran. these are good books but been heavily tampered with. we say wahe, you say yahweh, what our creator tells us, yahweh says the same. just the same rules in a different language and time/place. but ultimately the same, and from the same source.

[synergy777]

Date: 28 Dec 2007, 03:48


'Irish Times
Friday, December 28, 2007

TaraWatch, the group campaigning against the construction of the M3
motorway close to the Hill of Tara in Co Meath, has said it intends to
go ahead with international protests planned for January 8th, writes
Tim O'Brien.

The group was responding to an Irish Times report that the prehistoric
henge site at Lismullin was handed over to the contractor last week,
clearing the way for an immediate start to the road works.

In a statement yesterday TaraWatch said: "The NRA were not supposed to
hand over Lismullin until January 8th, but they have done it early to
facilitate demolition over the holidays, when nobody is paying
attention.

"We are going ahead with international protests planned for January
8th, and calling on our many supporters . . . to come out in support."

On the day of action demonstrations are planned for Stormont and the
Dáil as well as pickets at Irish embassies in New York, Chicago, San
Francisco and Los Angeles in the US.

Pickets are also being organised in Australia, while a large
demonstration is being planned for the Taoiseach's speech to the US
Congress, expected to occur early in 2008'

[synergy777]

http://www.geocities.com/Eureka/3401/Lvol1.html

Lost Tribes Of Israel Study Maps
Volume I (The Pre-Exodus Flights)


Volume I examines the Zarahite reign in Egypt prior to the Exodus. The Zarahites were descended from the Tribe of Judah; the Egyptians called them Hyksos which means the "Shepherd Kings." Volume I also covers the flights of the Zarahites along with members of the Tribe of Dan to Greece, Troy, Spain, Britain, Ireland, etc. Particular attention is paid to the Hebrew voyages of Danaus, Cadmus, Chalcol, Darda, Brutus and Corineus, and the Danaans. Source material includes the ancient histories and legends of Egypt, Greece, Ireland, and Britain. The remarkable story of the Lost Tribes of Israel reveals clear connections to the most famous Grecian tales such as the Trojan War, and Jason and the Argonauts.


Volume I also contains a detailed history of Jacob's Pillar, which is a special rock that belongs to the Kings and Queens of Israel. The author tracks this rock from Jacob to Moses, and then from Palestine to Ireland and then on to Britian. The current monarch of the United Kingdom received her crown while sitting over this important stone, Jacob's Pillar. And according to Biblical prophecy Christ will one day receive his own kingdom along with this stone.


india-israel-eire-hill of tara!

[synergy777]

no probz pri01, hope you enjoy them.

http://www.bibliotecapleyades.net/biblianazar/esp_biblianazar_11.htm

This extraordinary and controversial topic is packed with intrigue. It begins where others have ended. Laurence Gardner has been granted privileged access to European Sovereign and Nobel archives, along with favoured insight into Chivalric and Church repositories. He "proves" for the first time that there is a royal heritage of the Messiah in the West, and documents the systematic and continuing suppression of these records tracing the descent of the sacred lineage by regimes down the centuries.

This unique lecture gives a detailed genealogical account of the authentic line of succession of the "Blood Royal" from the sons of Jesus and his brother James down to the present day. It casts a penetrating new light on the Bible story, and onto the enigmatic figures of Joseph of Arimathea and Mary Magdalene, and on the real truth behind the Arthurian legends and the Holy Grail. There is also a fascinating history of the Knights Templars of Jerusalem.

Laurence Gardner, Prior of the Celtic Church’s Sacred Kindred of St Columba, is an internationally known sovereign and chivalric genealogist. Distinguished as the Chevalier Labhràn de Saint Germain, he is Presidential Attaché to the European Council of Princes - a constitutional advisory body established in 1946. He is formally attached to the Noble Household Guard of the Royal House of Stewart, founded at St German-en-Laye in 1692, and is the Jacobite Historiographer Royal.

Now let our quest begin, let us search for the "True" meaning of the Holy Grail. We will take you on a journey of discovery that will lead you to new paths of personal discovery.


other links

http://graal.co.uk/bloodlinelecture.html

http://www.greatdreams.com/drmgds.htm


The great solar eclipse on August 11, 1999, in my theory, connects with the symbolism of the "Royal Bloodline" of Jesus, as the legends say the "Grail," and/or son of Jesus was taken to Cornwall and on to Glastonbury . . . and became the bloodline of the Kings and Queens of England. Here's some sites about the subject:

The Hidden History of Jesus and the Holy Grail - Part 1 - Nexus Magazine

Lost Tribes Of Israel Study Maps - With Link to Each Volume

In Laurence Gardner's, "Bloodline of the Holy Grail," ("The Hidden History" site above is a lecture-review), on page 68, he says the tradition of the Royal Bloodline traces back to the Egyptian custom, where the Pharoah's simi-divine sister-bride used a substance made of Crocodile fat to anoint him. The word of "crocodile" in Egyptian was "messeh," which corresponds to the Hebrew, "Messiah - The Anointed One."

It is found at a later time in ancient Sumer - where Inanna (Ishtar) takes the shepard Dumuzi (Tammuz) as her bridegroom. Still later, this took the form Asherah and El Elohim in Canaan, then to Matronit and Jehovah.

Psalm 23 speaks of it as the Shepherd and the Bride - "Thou preparest a table before me . . . thou anointest my head with oil."

Strangely perhaps, it is through the females that the true dynastic inheritance was held through the bloodline. David attained his kingship by marrying Michal, the daughter of King Saul. In the biblical "Song of Solomon," the verses are about the love between a sovereign bridegroom and his bride. The potion used symbolically for the espousal was an ointment called "spikenard." Solomon, of course, was the son of King David.


notice the paralells between king arthur and yashuah/jesus

cornwall, glastonbury, the isle of man/avalon, i wonder if the st michael line is connected to this. also does eire/ayra have connections?

[synergy777]

http://www.tarapixie.net/

myspace message from Irish~Rose

Date: 28 Feb 2008, 00:14

Subject: Activists !! We Need your Support !! Tara in Ireland.

lugh23


I..v been up on the Hill Of Rath Lugh near Tara in Ireland all week and things are comming to a head !!.. There..s been constact attack of bulldozers on the hill itself.. One of the girls has been arrested and more to come.. We are desperate and need as much support as possible !!.. Checkout the article on Indy Media Ireland !!.. Please come up and join the protest !!!.. Also Friday night 29th Feb " Rob Henderson " is playing in the roundhouse so come along.. Checkout last Mondays arrest and demo at http://www.tarapixie.net/ under videos.. It was very scarey as there was only 6 of us on site and they brought a paddy wagon which could have seen all of site behind bars !!.. We need your help, so please come and support us.. There..s plenty of places to stay onsite and a friendly atmosphere !!!

phone 00353861537146

[synergy777]

http://www.tarapixie.net/

RATH LUGH CALLING:

The Rath Lugh Direct Action Camp is situated two and a half kilometres from the Hill of Tara, on the Front Line of the proposed M3 between Lismullen and Baronstown. We are a diverse and international group of activists working together in a non-hierarchal way with the aim of putting a stop to the proposed M3. Currently we are hoping to obtain Gaeltacht Status, as Irish is spoken and taught in the camp on a daily basis.

We participate in Non Violent Direct Action tactics in order to halt the ongoing destruction of the Tara complex. The camp works with an emphasis on the preservation of our heritage and our culture predating Christianity for future generations to appreciate and learn from. This involves blockading the key routes, hence stopping as much machinery and construction as possible on the sites.

As Rath Lugh is an outer defence post for the Hill of Tara, it is possible for us to keep a permanent vigil on the movement of vehicles and personnel working on various construction sites throughout the valley. We also maintain a constant presence on the Rath Lugh National Monument, which is currently under a temporary preservation order. We aim to see this significant monument permanently preserved in-line with the rest of the Tara Complex.

Our daily duties in the camp involve collecting firewood, water from the well, taking and processing footage and photos, cooking meals, washing, scouting the valley for machinery, finding ancient artifacts in the Gabhra River, and jumping in front of diggers, steamrollers, graders and earth movers.

In order to educate and promote the importance of sustainable development within the Tara Valley and through the wider world using energy efficient technologies, we have recently installed a number of wind turbines and solar panels with a pedal powered bicycle generator. This enables us to charge mobile phones, camera batteries and have constant access to internet with the use of IT facilities. Green technology allows us to create an alternative media platform further highlighting the ongoing destruction of the Valley to a world wide community of activists, concerned groups, governments, NGOs and individuals inside and outside of Ireland. www.tarapixie.net is updated every day from the Rath Lugh Woods.

We believe that the Irish Government are spreading misinformation regarding the issues of heritage and culture about the destruction of the Tara Complex. We are currently engaged in active awareness protests around the country. Groups are raising awareness of the Quarry Protest in Kildare and Meath, Pylon Protest, Hill of Allen (Roadstone are mining the hill and the Fianna training grounds), Shell to Sea, Rockall, Dunquinn and various anti incinerator groups. All have the common goal of halting the destruction of our heritage, environment and natural resources. In unity, our voice is heard, in solidarity, we are stronger and we will not rest until sustainable development is obtained.

Rath Lugh Direct Action Camp welcomes all friends of Tara. We need people urgently to halt the Valley's destruction. Everyone has a skill or talent they can lend to this protest. Bring wellies, raingear, sleeping bags, torch, lighter, plenty of warm clothing, and good spirits. The protest is only going to get stronger, we will continue to oppose the motorway until it is moved, so come to Rath Lugh as quickly as you can. WE NEED YOU ALL NOW BEFORE IT IS TOO LATE. Tara is calling, don't ignore the call.

Slan a Pixie ;)

086 1537 146

www.tarapixie.net

save the hill of tara, i had a dream of tara in 1999, its what got me into the esoetric/illuminati stuff, add your support.

[synergy777]

can anyone disprove the vedic culture/hyksos/celtic theory that i present?

why do you think the elite want to destroy the hill of tara, is it coincidence?

i have proved that african/vedic/celtic-european connection exists, and yet people rave about tsarion etc but fail to check history for themselves,

i ask anyone to disprove/challenge my global vedic theory, if you can, lol

one source/creator/god, one people, one love

yashuah/jesus showed us the way, we are his brothers/sisters, and yet we ignore his message why?

[caleb]

its not spamming, its just being organised (link) with the text, it saves people time clicking. lol

Nah, it's just bollocks, but we are all free to beLIEve what we want.

Peace out, bro.

[synergy777]

disprove it, thats all i ask?

if its bollocks, then it should be easy, shouldn't it

after all the irish scolars say it is true,

but caleb knows better doesn't he, lol

you can't, can you, caleb

caleb, a celtic name aswell,

you should be ashamed,

or is being linked to brown brothers a eugenic comedown, lol

disprove it and educate/correct me, please brother

[caleb]

disprove it, thats all i ask?

if its bollocks, then it should be easy, shouldn't it

after all the irish scolars say it is true,

but caleb knows better doesn't he, lol

you can't, can you, caleb

caleb, a celtic name aswell,

you should be ashamed,

or is being linked to brown brothers a eugenic comedown, lol

disprove it and educate/correct me, please brother
What's your name then, bro?

[synergy777]

http://tarawatch.org/?p=209

Tara Is a Site of World Significance, With Many Connections to India

Tara of the Kings

Weekly Lecture Series : Royal Society of Antiquaries of Ireland

Mr Charlie Doherty, UCD

The kingship of Tara—Pagan and Christian: The International context”

The international significance of the monuments on and around the Hill of Tara is only beginning to be understood, and the M3 motorway inappropriate at such an important site.

Mr Charlie Doherty of the School of Early Irish History and Archives, University College Dublin, argued this yesterday, Saturday 28th October, when he opened the Tara of the Kings lecture series at the Royal Society of Antiquaries of Ireland (RSAI), Merrion Square, Dublin. His paper was entitled “The kingship of Tara—Pagan and Christian: The International context”

Mr Doherty first presented Tara in the Irish context, as a pagan site with a Christian dimension, like Navan Fort Cashel, and explained why Tara is the most important domestic Irish site. As an historian, he explained how scholars are now only beginning to understand Tara, and place it in a wider context, because of the non-intrusive archaeological research done at the Discovery Programme in the past decade.

Then Mr Doherty made many connections to other important sites and traditions of kingship around the world. Amazing discoveries are being made when archaeological data is matched up with linguistic and historical evidence. Tara was the site of an exceptional kingship, comparable to including others found in India, Wales and Greece.

Scholars have agreed for some time that Irish is an Indo-European language. Now, similar words and physical attributes of sites attest to the Indo-European nature of Tara. Mr Doherty explained how vestiges of this early culture survived at the edges of the region, like Ireland and India, while they disappeared in the center.

The lecture series will continue every Saturday until Christmas, and the papers given by internationally renowned scholars will be collected into a set of proceedings, to be edited by Professor Paul Muldoon, of Princeton University. Professor Muldoon, who won the Pulitzer Prize, is vehemently opposed to the M3 route through Tara. He has been described by The Times Literary Supplement as “the most significant English-language poet born since the second World War.”

4 Nov: ‘The Kingship of Tara: The Views of the Four Masters’.
Next Saturday’s lecture (4 Nov) will be given by Dr Joseph Flahive, Dept. of Old and Modern Irish, University College Cork, and will focus on The Four Masters conception of the High Kingship and the use of Tara as a semi-legendary prop of nationalism in the seventeenth century.

Lectures take place at noon, every Saturday, in the Helen Roe Lecture Theatre, 63 Merrion Square. The public are welcome and admission is free


caleb knows more than Mr Charlie Doherty, UCD

sure do you fella, sure you do, lol

[synergy777]

whats my name, snoop dogg, lol

[synergy777]

fashizzle my nizzle, you iz my brothers for shizzle, lodi dodi, nah mean, lol

[caleb]

whats my name, snoop dogg, lol
aka Gupta the Master Mason. LOL.

[synergy777]

gupta, a name form a royal household/dynasty of india,

its not me name,whhoopta, lol

why not email mr doherty and tell him his years of study are wrong, lol

mr doherty for sure you are wrong, lol

or support tara, its being destroyed you know.

now why would they build a motorway etc on eire/arya "most important" site ?

they might postpone the prophecy,

oops,

they have only progressed it, lol

he is already here.

[synergy777]

now where is the queen of tara, as every king/man needs a queen/woman

[caleb]

gupta, a name form a royal household/dynasty of india,

its not me name,whhoopta, lol

why not email mr doherty and tell him his years of study are wrong, lol

mr doherty for sure you are wrong, lol

or support tara, its being destroyed you know.

now why would they build a motorway etc on eire/arya "most important" site ?

they might postpone the prophecy,

oops,

they have only progressed it, lol

he is already here.
Tara is under threat. So come on bro, let's go and put our bodies in the way of the bulldozers.
Time for action. I'm not doing anything this week, if you're short of cash, the ferry is on me.
How about it, bro?

[synergy777]

if you pay for the ferry/accomodation, i will go, no probs.

i would love to go to eire

[synergy777]

caleb is a celtic name isn't it, you should protect your heritage.

i am indian, if they were building a motorway through the taj mahal, we indians would fight to the death to stop the motorway, why don;t you?

[synergy777]

also please refer back to the intial point of argument,

disprove the vedic connections, lol

[caleb]

if you pay for the ferry/accomodation, i will go, no probs.

i would love to go to eire
Ferry only pal, we will be roughing with the other protesters.
It would be a bit of a cop out to spend the day protesting and then go check in to the nearest guest house, lol.
Tents, wet weather gear, chains, padlocks, a camcorder and sheer bloody mindedness is all we need.

Err, look we can discuss all the other crap about the origins of civilisation while we are chained to a bulldozer.
The Taj Mahal is not Indian. Correct me if I'm wrong. Mughal (Muslim Invaders).

[synergy777]

mughals, yes, but there is a very good website you should look at, its stephen knapp.

Stephen Knapp

http://www.stephen-knapp.com/

http://www.stephen-knapp.com/was_the_taj_mahal_a_vedic_temple.htm

in india the taj mahal is not a well liked place, due to the murder of the workers who made the temple. the emperor killed all the people who helped to build it, so they could not make another one, its a beautiful building with a bloody history.

the mughals(muslims) invaded and occupied india for many years, india has fought many invaders throughout its history.

[synergy777]

KING ARTHUR

http://www.davidicke.com/forum/showthread.php?t=11249&highlight=king+arthur

[synergy777]

http://img20.imageshack.us/img20/6043/tarahillor4.jpg

[Mo0n5tar]

Godfrey Higgins
The Celtic Druids, published in 1827 and 1829 as three parts, was intended as a precursor to Anacalypsis. The Celtic Druids was "an attempt to show that the druids were the priests of oriental colonies who emigrated from India, were the introducers of the First or Cadmean System of Letters, and the builders of Stonehenge, Carnac, and other Cyclopean works in Asia and Europe." Higgins prefaced the 1829 second edition stating that he was preparing a review of "all the ancient Mythologies of the world, which, however varied, and corrupted in recent times, were originally one, and that one founded on principles sublime, beautiful, and true." This review would become Anacalypsis.

Godfrey Higgins - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia
Anacalypsis - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia
Carnac - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

[synergy777]

yes yes bruv, see why these old books are the best, they speak the truth.

also check out the steven knapp stuff, and flavius josephus, especially contra apinon, chapter 1, 23:16. flavius himself a jew and the most celebrated jewish historian of all time, tells us the origins of jews, they are derived from indian philosophers and created jerusalem.

you have to realise the when in babylon/iraq, the priesthood was of indian origin not african origin/hamatic. the indian/priesthood wanted to have the power, so they took african/hamatic knowledge and used it for themselves. they destroyed the african books and rewrote them in their chaldean/indo languages, and thus have ruled the world ever since.

the talmud was created in babylonian activity.

hence i think it has been the constant war between those who followed the sole creator against those who followed the imposter/satan. the latter where of the lingha/phallic cult and used the obelisk as their sign/monument, now look at every centre of power, washington, london, rome, all have obelisks.

thus hamatic/african/egyptian and semetic/indo-european/babylonian knowledge has the keys to true nature of life.

[Mo0n5tar]

Synergy your knowledge is layered like an onion is bro, I keep comin back to these threads and finding new avenues of research all the time.

biggups.

[synergy777]

cheers bro, its just i think you should follow the trail/history, just go by stage/time period etc. that way if you do it incrementally, you start to see big picture bro, step by step etc.

its just shows that the roots/history of humanity is a shared one. thus the furture should be too, 1love.

[synergy777]

Tara is being destroyed right now!

http://www.davidicke.com/forum/showthread.php?t=21516

krishna = jerusalem = hill of tara

http://www.davidicke.com/forum/showthread.php?t=7428

Vedic Links To Israel And Ireland

http://www.davidicke.com/forum/showthread.php?t=10287

Godfrey Higgins

The Celtic Druids, published in 1827 and 1829 as three parts, was intended as a precursor to Anacalypsis. The Celtic Druids was "an attempt to show that the druids were the priests of oriental colonies who emigrated from India, were the introducers of the First or Cadmean System of Letters, and the builders of Stonehenge, Carnac, and other Cyclopean works in Asia and Europe." Higgins prefaced the 1829 second edition stating that he was preparing a review of "all the ancient Mythologies of the world, which, however varied, and corrupted in recent times, were originally one, and that one founded on principles sublime, beautiful, and true." This review would become Anacalypsis.

Godfrey Higgins - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia
Anacalypsis - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia
Carnac - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

myspace message from irish rose

Sign the SAVE TARA petition



On Friday 21 March, Minister for the Environment, John Gormley, of the Green Party, was quoted in The Irish Times as saying he could "give a cast-iron assurance" that the national monument at Rath Lugh would not be damaged by building the motorway along the current alignment.

" On the same day, Professor George Eogan travelled to Rath Lugh with TaraWatch, and witnessed the demolition works taking place there.

A video of an interview with him is available here, and the transcript is printed below. Professor Eogan is one of Ireland’s most eminent archaeologists. He is Professor Emeritus of Archaeology at University College Dublin.

George is also former Director of the Discovery Programme, the Irish state archaeological research unit, which sponsored the Tara Project, which entailed ten years of non-instrusive archaeological and historical research, by Conor Newman, Joe Fenwick, and Edel Bhreatnach.

Today, The Irish Times published a letter from Professor Eogan:
..
MOTORWAY WORKS AT TARA

Letter to the Editor - The Irish Times
Wednesday, March 26, 2008
Madam, - I was very disappointed to read in last Friday’s Irish Times that the Minister for the Environment, Heritage and Local Government, John Gormley, declared himself satisfied that the National Roads Authority proposals, if implemented, would result in the protection of the monument at Rath Lugh.

This is not so as the monument and its environment have already been mutilated by work carried out on the proposed route of the motorway.

Rath Lugh and its environment is an integral part of the Tara archaeological and cultural complex. Its environment includes the significant Gabhra Valley to the west towards the Hill of Tara. The latter area is now reduced to a strip of rubble as a result of work carried out by and with the authority of the present Government of which Mr Gormley is a member. Furthermore, Rath Lugh is now divorced from the archaeological complex of which it formed a part from its construction many centuries ago. As a result of the destruction, which I witnessed a couple of days ago, a "new" environment has now emerged, the personality of the area is being destroyed.

Standing on Rath Lugh and looking across the Gabhra Valley the main feature of that area is now the equivalent of a "race track" with heavy machinery driving up and down at considerable speed and creating vibrations which can be felt on Rath Lugh.

In the area that I visited three lines of defence were in place. The outermost is a spiked iron fence up to eight feet in height and secured in concrete, next came security personnel and further inwards were members of the Garda Síochána. For me, this was an intimidating experience and one that I never expected to see in order to facilitate the destruction, by our own Government, of a key portion of our own great archaeological inheritance.

- Yours, etc,

GEORGE EOGAN, Brighton Road, Rathgar, Dublin.

TEXT OF TARAWATCH INTERVIEW WITH GEORGE EOGAN

View Interview Here

Professor Eogan: Well I can only use one word, I am horrified. I had no idea that we have a regime in this country that was hell bent on destroying what is really some of the greatest parts of our national heritage. And I read in today’s Irish Times that Mr. Gormley, the Minister for the Environment, said that everything is alright.

Everything is not alright. It is a disastrous situation. What I see here now, with this great fence a couple of yards away, is, I have fortunately, I have never had to spend time in a concentration camp, but this reminds me of a concentration camp.

And, uh, it is too terrible for words. I had known this site, I was here firstly many, many years ago, and it was a reasonably well preserved site. But now it has been, totally, part of it has now been completely and absolutely destroyed. And what is happening here is one of the greatest shameful acts of cultural vandalism that took place in any part of Europe.

In view of my own involvement, I have seen areas, archaeological areas where development has taken place, and I must say that I was also, to some extent, involved for a while on a Stonehenge Committee, and there the plan was to put a road on the ramp, not overground, and certainly not to destroy what is one of the great monuments of the Tara Complex.

BIO OF GEORGE EOGAN

Director of Knowth Research Project and Professor Emeritus of Archaeology, University College, DublinGeorge Eogan (Ph.D., Trinity College, Dublin) is a leading expert in the archaeology of Ireland, with particular interest in the Neolithic and Late Bronze Ages.

He is the Director of the Knowth Research Project and has been excavating at Knowth for more than 40 years as part of his investigation of the Passage Tomb builders in Ireland and Western Europe. Professor Eogan is a native of Ireland and has taught and lectured extensively on the country’s archaeology.

Now Professor Emeritus of Archaeology, University College, Dublin, his archaeological research has led to approximately 90 papers and nine books, including The Accomplished Art: Gold and Gold-working in Britain and Ireland During the Bronze Age (Oxbow Books, 1994), Knowth and the Passage Tombs of Ireland (Thames and Hudson, 1986), and (with M.Herity) Ireland in Prehistory (Routledge & Kegan Paul, 1977).

[synergy777]

http://www.redicecreations.com/winterwonderland/stoneofscone.html

Stone of Scone - Stone of Destiny - Jacob's Pillow/Pillar Stone - BabyLon(don) & Rennes Le Chateau

The Stone of Scone in the Coronation Chair at Westminster Abbey

2005 10 01

Compiled by Henrik Palmgren | Red-Ice.net

The Stone of Scone, more commonly known as the Stone of Destiny or the Coronation Stone (though the former name sometimes refers to Lia Fáil) is a block of sandstone historically kept at the now-ruined abbey in Scone, near Perth. It is also known as Jacob's Pillow Stone, Jacob's Pillar Stone and as the Tanist Stone.

Traditionally, it is supposed to be the stone which Jacob used as a pillow. It was originally supposed to have been used as the Coronation Stone of the early Dalriada Scots when they lived in Ireland. When they invaded Caledonia, it is said to have been taken with them for that use. Another theory states that the stone was actually the travelling altar used by St Columba in his missionary activities throughout what is now Scotland. Certainly, since the time of Kenneth Mac Alpin at around 847, Scottish kings were seated upon the stone during their coronation ceremony. At this time the stone was situated at Scone, a few miles north of Perth.

In 1996 the British Government decided that the Stone should be kept in Scotland when not in use at coronations, and on November 15, 1996, after a handover ceremony at the Border between representatives of the Home Office and of the Scottish Office, it was returned to Scotland and transported to Edinburgh Castle where it remains. Although the Stone is back in Scotland, Edinburgh Castle is the military headquarters of the UK army in Scotland, and some Scots have argued that the stone should be kept someplace solely Scottish, someplace which could not be interpreted as symbolic of United Kingdom union. Provision has been made to transport the stone to Westminster Abbey when it is required there for future coronation ceremonies.

Read more: Stone of Scone - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

Jacob's Pillow-Pillar Stone - Jacob's Dream stone

Jacob's Pillow-Pillar Stone refers to an episode in the Book of Genesis 28:10-18 [1] when the Hebrew patriarch Jacob was running from home after getting the blessing of the first born from his father Isaac (and which his brother Esau also wanted), he came to a place where he rested his head on a stone and then consecrated it after God appeared to him in a dream.)

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Jacob's Ladder (Bible)

Jacob then named the place Bethel (literally, "House of God". "El" is one short form of "Elohim"). The name "House of God" and the term "gate of heaven" are suggestive of the metaphor of the temple as the earthly abode of a deity; this is reinforced by the image in Jacob's dream of a ladder between heaven and earth which the angels of God and (according to the "beside him" reading of the text) God himself use to come down to earth.

Read more: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Jacob%27s_Ladder_%28Bible%29

Where is the Gate of the Heavens? - Tower of BabyLon(don)?

Jacob Hears the Voice of the Lord

...Jacob's experiences in Charan, where he fled to escape the wrath of his brother Esau, who is angry with him because he stole the blessing (Bereishit 27). Jacob leaves Beersheba, on his way into exile, stops for a nights rest in a place that was to become known as "Beit El" (the house of God) and there he dreams a dream. In his dream: "Behold a ladder set up on the earth, and the head of it reached heaven and behold the angels of God ascending and descending on it" (Bereishit 28:12). After this God reveals himself and promises to protect Jacob wherever he may travel, to give him the "land upon which you lie" (verse 13) and even a multitude of descendants: "Your seed shall be as the dust of the earth and you shall spread to the west, to the east to the north and to the south" (Verse 14). The continuation of the narrative tells: "And Jacob awoke out of his sleep and he said: Surely the Lord is in this place: and I knew it not. And he was afraid and he said: How terrible is this place! This is none other then the house of the Lord and this is the gate of heaven" (verses 16-17).

The description of the height of the ladder that Jacob sees "the head of it reached heaven", reminds us of the description of the tower of Babel, by its builders: "We will build a city and a tower with its head reaching heaven" (Bereishit 12:4). The story of the building of the tower of Babel is a story of human pride that knows no limits. Man wants to build a tower and make a name for himself (ibid verse 4), to cross the boundary between heaven and earth, between man and God. Man's punishment is not slow to come: God scatters them on the face of the earth and divides them according to their languages so that no one understood his fellow man. The story concludes with a Midrash mocking and poking fun at the name Babel: "therefore they called its name Babel because God balal (confused) the languages of the earth" (verse 9). Hereinafter we shall see how the residents of Babylon explained the name of the city they dwelt in; the Torah in any case explains it in terms of confusion and intermingling.

In the whole Bible we find no other similar phrases to the abovementioned two: "and the head of it [the ladder] reached heaven" and "a tower with its head reaching heaven". The similarity between the two phrases should attract the attention of the reader and cause them to compare the two stories in which they are found. But one thing must be remembered: the reader should not be satisfied with finding similarity but even more importantly should look for dissimilarity and even disagreement between them, as it could in fact be there that the message lies. The following is a comparison between the story of the tower of Babel and Jacob's ladder.

1. While the tower connects between earth and heaven, it is the initiative of man; the revelation of the ladder in Jacob's dream is an expression of God's will. Man remains on earth but, if God wills it, man can witness a revelation that connects between heaven and earth.

2. Man's plot to ascend to the heavens does not succeed and God stops the building process. In contrast, the ladder does connect between heaven and earth and ministering angels ascend and descend upon it, as only they are able and allowed to do so.

3. In order to view man's handiwork, the building of the tower, God descends from his place: "And God descended to see the city and the tower which man had built" (12:5). When talking to Jacob, God stands at the top of the ladder: "And behold the Lord stood above it and said 'I am Hashem, the God of Abraham" (28:13).

4. When building the city and tower, the builder made use of bricks: "and they had brick for stone" (11:3), and it's possible that we have here an expression of astonishment - and maybe even mockery - of those who put their faith in the strength and durability of bricks, made by human hands. Jacob, in contrast, places a real stone: "And Jacob arose early in the morning and took the stone he had put under his head and placed it as a monument" (28:18). The stone Jacob placed was the foundation of the house of God which would be established in that place: "and this stone which I have placed as a monument will be the house of God" (ibid 22)

5. In the labor of construction by the builders of the tower there is an expression of defiance against heaven. Jacob's placing of the stone - and the building of a house of God in this place in the future - is to honor God.

6. The builders of the tower begin their initiative when they "travel from the east" (12:2). Jacob goes "to the land of the people of the east" (29:1) after he vows to establish a house of God when he returns to his father's house.

7. The fear of the tower builders, "lest we be dispersed on the face of the earth" (12:4), comes to pass when God punishes them: "And God dispersed them on the face of the earth… and from there God dispersed them on the face of the earth" (12:8-9). God promises Jacob that he will bring him back to his land from the place of his exile: "And I will bring you back to this land because I will not abandon you" (29:15).

8. As in the story of the tower of Babel, in the story of the ladder, the name of the place is also elucidated. In this case the name "Beit-El" (house of God) is explained in a positive light, which expresses God's presence in that place: "…How terrible is this place! This is none other then the house of the Lord …" (verse 17), "And called the name of that place Beit El" (verse 19), "and this stone which I have placed as a monument will be the house of God" (verse 22).

9. And most importantly for our discussion: Jacob continues and declares that the place where an aperture was opened for him to see God and his angels ascending and descending on the ladder is the "gate of heaven" (verse 18). This is a clear expression of polemic against the Babylonian outlook, who saw their city in this way, since the name "Babel" was explained by the Babylonians as the "gate of God" (bab-ili) or "the gates of the gods" (bab- il?ni), in other words "the gate of heaven".

10. Our story declares that the gate of heaven is found in the land of Israel and not in the land of Shen'ar, in Beit-El and not in Babylon; a place where the believer expressed thanksgiving to his God who was revealed to him and not a place where man wished to conquer God's dwelling place. Babylon is no longer worthy of the name "gate of heaven" and it now refers to Beit-El.

Transfer of the place of "the gate of heaven" from Babylon to Beit-El is not the conclusion of the process. In the story of the threshing floor of Arvana, the story of the dedication of Jerusalem in the days of David, as it is told in the book of Divrei Hayamim (Chronicles), we find a verse that has no parallel in chapter 24 of Shmuel II, which is the original source for the compiler of Divrei Hayamim: "And David said: This is the house of God and this is the sacrificial altar for Israel" (Divrei Hayamim I 22:1). The phraseology is very similar to that of Jacob in the story of the ladder ("This is none other than the house of the Lord and this is the gate of heaven" [verse 17]), and it seems that this is an attempt to identify various places of ceremonial significance, Beit-El and Jerusalem, as one place.

This notion is mentioned later in the Midrash. There it is told that Jacob went to "Mount Moriah … and he lay down to sleep there because the sun had set … and he awoke suddenly with great fear and said: This is the house of the Holy One, blessed be He, in this place it was said 'this is the gate of heaven'". After Jacob erects a monument, "what does the Holy One, blessed be He, do? He put his right foot down firmly and pushed the stone down to the depths of the earth … and on it the temple of God stands as it is written "and this stone which I have placed as a monument will be the house of God" (Pirkey D'Rabi Eliezer, chapter 35).

Read More: http://www.jafi.org.il/education/torani/nehardeah/vayeitzeh.html

Is the Stone of Scone or Jacob's Pillow/Pillar stone a cornerstone or a keystone of Solomon's Temple or from the Tower of Babel/Babylon?

Are we talking about the same stone, the Coronation Stone, that used to be in Westminster Abbey, London? From where the British-Israel World Federation Rules. Are they part of the lost tribes of Israel, now under a banner of the United Kingdom of Heaven?

A sidenote: Does this have anything to do with the The Tower of (Baby)London? (Sacrificial Altar)

In an article I found, they ask the question "Is London the New Jerusalem, the City of Revelation?":

London's Ancient Sacred Sites are Located in a Very Significant Pattern
For the last eighteen years, the author has been researching the relationships between London's oldest ancient sacred sites. Their locations define a huge pattern of sacred geometry on the landscape: A vast and beautiful design covering the whole of greater London. Its main alignments link to other ancient sites the length and breadth of the land.

A monumental discovery, like finding another stonehenge beneath oxford circus

The basis of these patterns is a temple groundplan. It is the most important construction of sacred geometry and one that has been used in the design of temples throughout the centuries. Indeed, the oldest example of its use is in the construction of Stonehenge. To find exactly the same design, but at a much larger scale, hidden within the London landscape is startling to say the least. To find that it is defined by some of London's most important ancient sites, Westminster Abbey, St. Paul's Cathedral, The Tower of London and others too numerous to name here, is astonishing evidence that this discovery has a firm foundation in reality.

Is London the New Jerusalem, the City of Revelation?

The Earthstars geometry is of immense significance, incorporating a harmonic relationship with the structure and dimensions of the Earth and Moon. This has been noted previously by no less an authority on these subjects than John Michell who also associates this geometric construction with the measures and proportions attributed to The City of Revelation, the New Jerusalem, described by St. John in The book of Revelation. Remarkably, this is an unusual confirmation of William Blake's visions of Jerusalem within London's spiritual dimensions.

Since the City of Revelation is said to appear at the end of the age, perhaps it is no concidence that this discovery has come to light at the turning point of the millenium. Rather worryingly, it is more likely to be environmentalists who warn us that the end is nigh these days, rather that visionaries like St, John or William Blake.

Read More: http://www.earth-stars.com/visions.htm

The Rennes Le Chateau Connection

There is a legend that the Knights Templar smuggled out a treasure they excavated from under the Dome of the Rock in Jerusalem (where Solomon Temple once was). This treasure eventually ended up at Rennes le Chateau in Southern France, with some kind of connection to the Cathars (another lost tribe?).

We had read about the statement “This place is terrible” above the church door, which is a quote from The Book of Genesis, specifically the story in which the patriarch Jacob falls asleep on a stone and has a vision of a ladder leading up to Heaven, with angels ascending and descending upon it. This stone is the same as the Stone of Destiny brought to Scotland by the prophet Jeremiah, and it became the stone upon which British monarchs are coronated to this very today. What is noteworthy is that beneath the words “This place is terrible” on the doorway, we have the rest of the quote from Genesis: “This is the house of God and the gateway to Heaven.” It is thus not a curse but a statement upon the dual nature of divinity. This is actually how the quote from We also found quite a bit of iconography etched over the doorway that has not been previously noted, including two Templar crosses, two Crosses of Lorraine, and the Masonic image of the “Blazing Star” which purportedly fell from the heavens to enlighten mankind.

Read more: http://www.dragonkeypress.com/articles/article_2004_10_26_4609.html

And Jacob awoke out of his sleep, and he said, Surely Jehovah is in this place; and I knew it not. And he feared, and said, How terrible is this place! this is none other than the house of God, and this is the gate of heaven.

Read more from (GENESIS 28:16-17)

Here is a link to an article that points out that there might be a profound relationship between all these places (even with connections to Mars): Mars, Rennes-le-Chateau, and the Hall of Records

Keep in mind also that the Scottish rite of Freemasonry probably are directly spawned out of the Knights Templar who fled to Rosslyn, Scotland and built the Rosslyn Chapel. They fled due to the catholic church.

The Above article from wikipedia on Stone of Scone states: "It was originally supposed to have been used as the Coronation Stone of the early Dalriada Scots when they lived in Ireland. When they invaded Caledonia, it is said to have been taken with them for that use. Another theory states that the stone was actually the travelling altar used by St Columba (Illuminati Warning) in his missionary activities throughout what is now Scotland."

Could there be a Phoenician/Canaanite connection to the Dalriada Scots or the Picts and therefore to Solomon’s Temple?

The Phoenician king Hiram of Tyre (989-936 BC) built a palace for David and two palaces and a temple for Solomon. The Bible provides a vast amount of information about them.

David’s Palace - King Hiram of Tyre sent a trade mission to David; he provided him with cedar logs and with stonemasons and carpenters to build a palace. (1 Chronicles 14:1)

Read More: http://www.lgic.org/en/phoenicians.php

Scholars have written for centuries about an ancient sea-faring people known to modem history books as the Tuatha de Danan who founded civilizations in Greece, Spain, Britain, and Ireland. Scholars now know that the word, Tuarth, means 'tribe'. Dr Gordon has also established that the suffix, 'AN' was added to proper names in early times to signify a people or community. Thus, the name of these important early European colonists should be translated, the 'tribe of Dan.' Was this the Biblical people, one of the twelve tribes of Israel?

...Bold scholars see the influence of the Danites in Irish folk lore ... and in the name of Danmark (Denmark): the land of Dan

Early antiquarian scholar, Aylett Sammes, published his extensive research in 1676 in a work entitled, THE ANTIQUITIES OF ANCIENT BRITAIN DERIVED FROM THE PHOENICIANS. He pointed out (p. 58) that the Danites were also known in British history as 'Damnonii,'but that 'the transposition is very easy and usual, and hides not at all the original, Dan.'The Danites settled especially in southwestern Britain's 'Phoenician' tin districts, he says, adding that in this area many rivers, cities, and hills have names compounded with the tribal name, 'Dan.'

...Britannia, from the Phoenician,'Baratanac, a country of tin. Metals such as tin and lead were mined and exported from the west coasts of Cornwall and the Scilly islands.'...

Read More: http://www.1335.com/sea.html

Would you believe these are you (Isaiah says; to the "isles afar off")? Are they descendents of the British Isles, Ireland, the countries of northwest Europe, the United States and even Japan?

One important link/key is the term Scythians (Celts); "the people who dwell in booths".

Scythians (Iranians) & Celts (Scots & Picts) Are they the same?


Read More on this: Origins of the Picts & Scots

Did the prophet Jeremiah (a Chief of Iber) die in Ireland?

Did he travel there in 583-560 BC from Egypt around the same time of the destruction of Jerusalem, with: the scribe Baruch, Ebed-Melech, Tea Tephi (daughter of Zedekiah & heir to the throne-line of Pharez), and the son of the king of Ireland who had been in Jerusalem at the time of the siege? Did Jeremiah come to Ireland to build the nation Israel in the Isles of the West and to plant the royal line of David upon Israels throne in the person of Zedekiahs daughter, Tea Tephi? Tea Tephi is the name of the most celebrated queen in early Irish history. With her the lion came into Irish heraldry, an emblem of the Israelites, but especially of the tribe of Judah. With Tea Tephi also a most remarkable 400 pound stone came to Ireland called the Lia Fail, or stone wonderful, or Stone of Scone upon which the Irish line of kings were crowned until about 500 A.D. Thereafter it was carried to Scotland and used as coronation stone there till 1296 A.D. Then Edward I carried it to Westminster Abbey where it has been ever since, until just recently when it was returned to Scotland, as the Coronation Stone of Great Britain.

Tea Tephi married the Irish monarch, Eiochaid, the Heremonn, thus joining the Pharez and Zarah branches of Judahs royal line, and from them through the Irish and Scotch line of kings one can trace the descent to George VI and show that Davids line did not lapse for Yahweh keep His covenant of salt. (2 Chronicles 13:5)

Was Jeremiah the elderly white-haired patriarch, sometimes referred to as a "saint," who came ashore in Ulster in Irish tradition? Wasn't Jeremiah the grandfather of King Zedekiah (last king of Judah); and thus, God's Trustee of the Bloodline and the Throne of David? From these sources we learn that about 565 B.C., soon after Jeremiah and the kings daughters disappeared in eastern history, there appeared in Ireland at Tara, the seat of the Irish kings, a remarkable and mysterious personage, a prophet named Ollam Fola, who instituted a school of prophets in Ireland. From the number of Hebrew words connected with this mysterious personage he is shown to have been a Hebrew prophet. The only Hebrew prophet who disappeared with any such mission as would take him to the Isles of the West, was Jeremiah, whose bust is in Dublin Castle. The name of Jeremiah remains everywhere in those parts even today.

Could a female further the bloodline?

Did Jeremiah bring the ancient Jewish coronation stone to Ireland (was the throne then overturned 3 times, and now is in London?)?

Was it moved three times (finally to England) in fulfillment of Ezekiel's prophecy mentioned in chapter 21, verses 25-27? Did St. Andrew journey to Scotland? Is Israel today Ephraim? Is Britain and the United States Manasseh?

Legend says Ireland was already populated by Hebrews before Jeremiah's arrival. Long prior to 700 B.C. another strong colony called "Tuatha de Danaan" (tribe of Dan) arrived in ships, drove out other tribes, and settled there. Later, in the days of David, a colony of the line of Zarah arrived in Ireland from the Near East. In light of this, imagine how fruitful the Irish potato famine has proven to be.... Or, is all the above a fabrication started via a book ("England the Remnant of Judah." London, 1861) by British-Israel expositor named Rev. F.R.A. Glover who combined two different people Tea and Tephi from two different time periods? Is the Worldwide Church of God behind furthering this confusion? Or, is it all true??

Read More: http://www.bibleprobe.com/lost.htm

The Book of Tephi, Queen of Tara and Gibraltar
Teia Tephi was the daughter (Tender Twig) of the king of Jerusalem (the Cedar) whom Jeremiah went forth to PLANT in Ireland after the ROOTING-OUT and DESTRUCTION of Zedekiah, the king of Jerusalem in c. 588 B.C.

The Book of Tephi describes in detail the journey Jeremiah took with Teia Tephi, The Lia Fail (Stone of Destiny) and The Ark of The Covenant from Jerusalem to Ireland, via Tanis in Egypt (as in "Raiders of The Lost Ark") then on to Gibraltar (where she was proclaimed queen of the Gadite Israelites who live there); Breogan in Spain; Cornwall and eventually landing at Howth, near Dublin, in Ireland on the 18th. of June 583 B.C.

The Book then goes on to describe many of the significant events which occurred at that time in history and are associated with her journey from Jerusalem to Ireland. It is also full of Prophecies about many of the major events which have occurred in the world between her and our time (2,500 years); including the First-Coming of Christ and the colonizing of the world by the British Empire. The Book also gives some very significant prophecies about the times we now live in.

Perhaps the most relevant of her Prophecies, which is the only one in "The Book of Tephi, queen of Tara and Gibraltar" that remains to be fulfilled, is about this (our) time in history when she predicts that she would be recovered from her subterranean tomb on The Hill of Tara, in Co. Meath, Ireland; along with The Ark of The Covenant and once again bring peace and unity to all of Ireland as she had done two and a half thousand years ago; and that Christ would come out of her tomb with her, to be inaugurated King of all of Ireland, on the Stone of Destiny, at Tara, and this time, also bring peace and unity to the whole world.

http://jahtruth.net/tephi.htm
Why is there a Jewish Star/Star of David (Magen David) or Shield of David, Solomon's Seal on the Ulster Flags symbols and emblems of Northern Ireland?

The Orange Order is another name for the same Ulster separatist movement. It's a freemasonic protestant movement of Northern Ireland with William of Orange as the "hero". See: the Grand Orange Lodge of Ireland for more.

Do you remember the Israeli "Orange" revolt? Very similar to Ukraine's "Orange Revolution" with Viktor Yushchenko as front man.

There is a message here folks!

Considering the whole British-Israel Word Federation thingy going on, I find all these connections very interesting.

Is there a connection between these geographical locations? Are they trying to unite the lost tribes and set up a United Kingdom of God? What's the plan here?

More investigation is needed!

More Links: Stone of Destiny

The Lia Fail - Bethel - Stone of Destiny - Jacob's Pillar (Video)

Lia Fail

Jacob's ladder

Rennes-Discovery.com

Rosslyntemplars.org.uk

Lost Tribes of Israel & The Stone of Scone

British-Israel Word Federation

The Lost Tribes of the House of Israel

The Coronation Stone

Orange Order

Google pictures search: Rennes le Chateau

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Tsarion is half Indian and from Ireland.... do you know if he has made any of these connections?

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http://www.the7thfire.com/queen_tephi/queen_tephi_intro.htm

Tamara Tephi - Queen of Jerusalem, Gibraltar and Ireland


Ye have seen what I did unto the Egyptians, and I bare you "on eagles' wings", and brought you unto Myself. Exodus 19:4

Jeremiah was a Prophet during the period that led into the Babylonian Exile and was called to be a prophet in 627 BC. His ministry began during good times for Judah, during the reign of Josiah (640 - 609 BC), and continued through the reigns of Jehoiakin (609 - 597 BC), Jehoiachin (597 BC) and Zedekiah (597 - 587 BC). Jeremiah was sent by God to King Zedekiah of Jerusalem, who had broken God's Covenant, to warn him to return to keeping of the Covenant or else God would send King Nebuchadnezzar of Babylon to lay siege to and destroy Jerusalem. Zedekiah didn't like Jeremiah's message, and he decided to punish the messenger. Jeremiah was placed in a well that was dark and muddy, but that did not prevent the prophecy from being fulfilled. It only made its fulfillment more certain. Eventually one of Zedekiah's servants persuaded the king to spare Jeremiah.

Nebuchadnezzar sent his army and laid siege to the City of Jerusalem whose inhabitants became so hungry that they ate their own children. The city fell and was burned and Solomon's Temple on Mount Moriah was destroyed. 10,000 of the leaders of Judaea were taken captive and were removed to Babylon to become slaves as punishment for allowing themselves to be misled by their rulers. The ten tribes of the northern Kingdom of Israel had previously been punished by the Assyrians in 722 BCE and were taken into slavery in the same way and for the same purpose--punishment for failing to remain faithful to the I AM and the Covenant.

They never returned to their homes and were referred to as the Lost Tribes of Israel.

Nebuchadnezzar; who was sent by God to punish Zedekiah, honored Jeremiah as God's Prophet, released him from prison and gave him free rein to do as he was commanded by God.

Zedekiah and all of his sons were captured; taken to Babylon* where all of his sons were slain in front of Zedekiah's eyes before he was blinded. He died in prison in Babylon and because he had betrayed God. He had broken the Covenant by causing his people to suffer poverty under his own laws, instead of prosperity under God's Laws in the Covenant of the Torah. Torah means "the Law" and is the collective name for the five books given to Moses at Mt. Horeb in Sinai, for the world, and for the people of Israel.

Jeremiah hid with Zedekiah's three daughters, including Teia Tephi in a cave under The Holy Temple. The Temple had been built by Solomon on the site where Abraham had offered to sacrifice Isaac, his only son, There the Ark of The Covenant was hidden along with Jacob's Pillar, the Bethel / Lia Fail Stone, king David's Throne of Israel. He did this to protect Teia Tephi and the Ark from being found, and so that no-one would know where The Ark was being taken. The Ark of the Covenant is the special box inside which are kept the Torah and the Stone Tablets, on which the Ten Commandments were written.

When Baruch, Jeremiah's scribe (secretary) came and told them that it was safe, Jeremiah took the three princesses with their three handmaidens and his secretary Baruch, and fled with the Ark of the Covenant and Jacob's Pillar Stone, first to Mizpah and then to Tanis in Egypt for safety. {In the movie, "Raiders of the Lost Ark," they say that Tanis is the last-known resting-place of the Ark and that is why they start to look for The Lost Ark in Tanis)

After they arrived in Egypt the Pharaoh adopted Zedekiah's daughters as his own daughters and gave them a palace at Tanis, still called today, "Quasr bint el Jehudi," the Palace of the Daughter of Judah. They stayed for a while until Jeremiah was warned that Nebuchadnezzar was going to attack Egypt and that they must leave.

It is written in Jeremiah:

Jeremiah 46:14 Declare ye in Egypt, and publish in Migdol, and publish in Noph and in Tahpanhes (Tanis): say ye, Stand fast, and prepare thee; for the sword shall devour round about thee.

44:24 Moreover Jeremiah said unto all the people, and to all the women, Hear the Word of the "I AM", all Judah that [are] in the land of Egypt:

44:25 Thus saith the "I AM" Lord of hosts, the God of Israel, saying; 'Ye and your wives have both spoken with your mouths, and fulfilled with your hand, saying, We will surely perform our vows that we have vowed, to burn incense to the queen of heaven, and to pour out drink offerings unto her: ye will surely accomplish your vows, and surely perform your vows.

44:26 Therefore hear ye the Word of the "I AM", all Judah that dwell in the land of Egypt; Behold, I have sworn by My great name, saith the "I AM", that My name shall no more be named in the mouth of any man of Judah in all the land of Egypt, saying, The Lord "I AM" Liveth.

44:27 Behold, I will watch over them for evil, and not for good: and all the men of Judah that [are] in the land of Egypt shall be consumed by the sword and by the famine, until there be an end of them.

44:28 Yet a small number that escape the sword shall return out of the land of Egypt into the land of Judah (Judah/Zarah of the "Red Hand" - Genesis 38:28-30* - in Ireland), and all the remnant of Judah, that are gone into the land of Egypt to sojourn there, shall know whose words shall stand, Mine, or theirs.

44:29 And this [shall be] a sign unto you, saith the "I AM", that I will punish you in this place, that ye may know that My words shall surely stand against you for your evil [in worshipping the queen of heaven (verse 25 above)]:

44:30 Thus saith the "I AM"; Behold, I will give Pharaohhophra king of Egypt into the hand of his enemies, and into the hand of them that seek his life; as I gave Zedekiah king of Judah (Teia Tephi's father) into the hand of Nebuchadnezzar king of Babylon, his enemy, and that sought his life.

Teia Tephi's two sisters loved the fleshpots of Egypt more than they loved God and wanted to remain there, so they were slain and did remain in Egypt, as they had desired. Jeremiah's group left Tanis on a moonless cloudy night, sailing in a ship of Tyre, piloted by a Danite (5th tribe of Israel, known to the Irish as the Tuatha de Danaan) called Buchi son of Helek, who was accompanied by his son Boedan, first to Carthage where they arrived three weeks later but did not disembark. At sunset a strong hot wind blew from the desert driving them North and tearing their sails. On the seventh day they entered a little bay by the mouth of an unknown river that ran from east to west; where they dropped anchor.

Drawing lots to see who would go ashore to find out where they were, the lot fell upon Boedan, the pilot's son, who rowed ashore in their skiff. Boedan captured a local and brought him aboard the ship so that Buchi the pilot who spoke all languages could ask him where they were. They found out from him that they were in the Tiber Estuary and he advised them to avoid Rome, both then and throughout the future. Jeremiah made many prophecies about Rome, including about the Roman Crucifixion of Jesus and on up to our day. From there they sailed on between Corsica and Sardinia where Jeremiah prophesied that, in the latter days, Napoleon would unsuccessfully attack Russia.

The Gadite Israelites who had settled there after the Assyrian captivity acknowledged her as its queen. Teia found many of the inhabitants worshipping Melcarth / Neptune and condemned them for their idolatry. There was an idol of Neptune at a shrine to him and the idol held a golden trident in its right hand. Elier the ruler of Gibraltar ordered the trident to be taken from the idol and given to Teia Tephi to go with the Olive-sprig she had brought with her from Jerusalem. During a struggle with the priests to remove the trident, the idol was smashed in two.

They stayed there for five months and both Teia and Jeremiah made many prophecies about the future of Gibraltar, only one of which still remains to be fulfilled. The crew of the Tyrian ship that brought them to Gibraltar were evil and plotted to kill Jeremiah, Teia Tephi and the others, but three months after their arrival the crew's evil plot was discovered and foiled, so they left to return to Egypt.

On their way back to Egypt the Tyrian ship sank and there were no survivors. This explains why nobody knew where the Ark went after it left Tanis or even that it had left. This was confirmed by Baruch who saw a vision of the ship sinking, immediately before his own death, passing away at the age of eighty and being buried at Caer Teia, Gibraltar.

Two months after the Tyrian ship had left Gibraltar and sank, the Gadites' milesian allies helped Jeremiah's party by capturing a Greek vessel, which was then sailed with the aid of Simon, the son of Elier the ruler of Gibraltar, guiding them across the Bay of Algeciras and through the Straits to Breogan in Spain. There he introduced them to Ith Cian, the Israelite ruler who, like the Egyptian pharaoh before him, adopted Teia Tephi as his daughter.


When they left Breogan, heading for Ireland, they got caught in a violent storm that lasted seven days and broke the oars and rudder of their boat, so they could not control the direction of their journey. After being blown North for several days in the storm, they sighted land and the wind of the storm guided their boat right into the bay at Mara-Zion, near St Michael's Mount in Cornwall. This was Divine Providence so that they would not land unannounced and unprotected in Ireland. At Mara-Zion they met Elatha the powerful Israelite ruler of Cornwall, who was a kinsman of Ith Cian of Breogan and an ally of Elier bar Ziza of the Gate (Gibraltar). Elatha welcomed them and had their boat repaired for them. He then sent a message to the high king (Ard ri) of Ireland that Teia Tephi the Queen of Jerusalem and Gibraltar was coming and requested a guarantee of safe-passage for the queen.

When Teia Tephi and Jeremiah informed Elatha of the fall of Jerusalem he wept bitterly, so the name given to that place in Cornwall was and still is Mara-Zion, which is Hebrew not Cornish or English and means "Bitter for Jerusalem". Elatha consulted extensively with Jeremiah and was consoled by the knowledge that all of the Promises God made to His "friend" Abraham would be fulfilled, when Christ would come from the Tribe of Joseph / Ephraim and once again reunite with his kiss all of the twelve tribes of Israel, including the Irish Danites .

The Irish kings on receiving Elatha's message, sent back their reply, a message of welcome and many gifts of gold and silver to Teia Tephi to show her she would be safe and that they all sought her favor and some her hand in marriage. Eochaidh sent his family's most treasured heirloom; a piece of jewelry which is called the "Sun of Helen" (of Troy); that his sires had won as a spoil of war at the Battle of Troy, where his Zarahite ancestors and the Danite Greek ancestors of the Irish people, including Ulysses, had built their famous Trojan horse, that had successfully fooled the Trojans and gained them access to their city.

After receiving their positive answer and invitation, Elatha sent his son Bressail, champion of Nuadh, the king of Ulster, and fifty-three ships, with two thousand and five men, to escort Teia Tephi safely to Ireland. Jeremiah at that point was advised by God to take the Ark of the Covenant in a separate ship and hide. He was warned that there was going to be a rebellion and it was not yet safe to bring the Ark of the Covenant to Tara.

Teia Tephi arrived with the Bethel / Lia Fail Stone and her two handmaidens, at Pen Edair (Binn Eadair - Howth), near Ath Cliath (Dublin), in Ireland on the 18th of June 583 B.C. She was greeted there by Eochaidh, the High king (Ard ri - Heremon) and Ethan, the king's harpist and good friend, between whom she was carried ashore and both instantly fell in love with the queen. Teia Tephi knew only the identity of the harpist (Ethan) and didn't know that the other person carrying her was actually Eochaidh, the High-king, whom she was destined to marry. She stayed that night at the Fort of Crimthann, which was built on the top of Howth Hill.

Eochaidh, who was urgently called away to rescue his sister who had been kidnapped, had, as a child, been given a vision and told that he must not marry, even if he reached middle-age, because one day his queen would come from the East. When he received the message from Elatha that the queen was coming from Jerusalem to live in Ireland he realized that his wait was almost over and his boyhood prophetic-vision was about to become reality.

Teia Tephi was then escorted to Cathair Crofinn (The Hill of Tara), where she arrived on the 20th of June in 583 B.C. and was escorted to the house that had already been prepared for her (Rath Grainne - Fort of the Seed). There, over the door the Druids had written 'Jerusalem' in Hebrew.

At Tara, there were a number of priests of the satanic Baal-religion who had erected a phallic-pillarstone as part of their worship of the mythical gods of pagan Baal fertility. Teia Tephi had brought with her The Torah or God's Laws, which state that worshipping false gods and making graven images of these, or anything else, is strictly prohibited and carries the death penalty (Second Commandment), so she ordered that the obscene stone phallus be removed immediately and the Bethel Stone / Lia Fail (God's Throne of Israel) be put in its place on the Forrad (Inauguration Mound).

The next day Teia Tephi was taken to Cathair Crofinn (now known as the Hill of Tara) where she married Eochaidh, the high king of Ireland, and they gave their pledges of marriage over the Lia Fail Stone (Jacob's Pillar - The Stone of Destiny) that Teia Tephi had brought with her from Jerusalem. She then stood upon the Lia Fail Stone and was acknowledged Queen of all Ireland and Eochaidh as Ard ri.

As Eochaidh was from the Zarah (the 'Red Hand') branch and Teia Tephi was from the line of David of the Pharez branch of Judah, their marriage-union sealed the "breach" caused centuries earlier when Judah's twin sons had been born. This marriage-union, that took place at "Rath na ri" (the Fort of the Kings) at Tara, in Royal Meath, is symbolized on the Ulster flag, where the 'Red Hand' of Zarah is mounted upon the 'Star of David' under the single Royal Crown, symbolizing the union of the two royal lines, that had sprung from Judah.

After Tephi was inaugurated as queen of all Ireland, the people complained to her about Bressail, the son of Elatha of Cornwall, so she arranged an election in which he was removed as regent. His laws and taxes were then abolished and the Torah put in their place. A number of kings and warlords in the already divided and war-torn country of Ireland joined Bressail in rebellion against Tephi, because under the Torah that she brought they would have to give back all the wealth that they had unjustly stolen from the people under their laws and taxes. In a huge battle all of the rebel kings, warlords and their armies led by Bressail fought against Teia Tephi and her out-numbered army. As Teia Tephi was fighting for God and His Laws, her army defeated all of the rebels in the battle at Slane, called the Battle of Unna (Destruction), which commenced on 31st October of 583 B.C. and lasted for four days.

After the Battle of Unna, in which a huge force of Baal-worshippers were defeated, peace was finally brought to Ireland because the Torah was fully instituted as national law. The people began to deify their Queen for the miraculous victory. To try to prevent this blasphemous deification, already begun while she was still alive, Teia Tephi told the Irish people to hold "Funeral Games" every year on the anniversary of her death. The Funeral Games held near her palace at Teltown, close to Kells were intended to prove that she was human, not a goddess, and to help teach the children to behave. Rewards were given to those who upheld the Laws of the Torah and were the most humble. (She died on the Calends of August, the first day of August.) These games had special rules based on The Torah to commemorate and remember her and the Torah (God's Law). The people were to keep only God's Law as He commanded His people Israel (Deuteronomy 4:2; 17:14-20). This was intended to prevent her descendants and others from making-up their own laws and the people thereby returning to poverty, division, strife and war. These "Funeral Games" were referred to by the sixteenth century French Prophet Nostradamus, in code, as the "Hecatombe Games", in his Quatrain 10,74.

Legend has it that Jeremiah landed at Carrickfergus in Northern Ireland and brought the Ark across country to Tara in Royal Meath. Once the Ark was safely sealed in Teia Tephi's future tomb, Jeremiah's mission for God was complete and he died on the 21st of September in 581 B.C. He was buried in what is now called Cairn T at the Loughcrew Hills graveyard. Depicted in hieroglyphics on the second stone on the left as you enter Cairn T is the journey Jeremiah made from Jerusalem to Ireland. The hieroglyphics, or sacred tymboglyphics as Sir William Wilde called them, also show astronomical data from which the date of Jeremiah's death, as well as the date of the Lunar Eclipse that occurred just before the Battle of Unna was fought, can be calculated

Teia Tephi and Eochaidh had a palace built at Teltown, near Kells, where they lived and where Teia Tephi wrote her amazing autobiography, "The Book of Tephi, Queen of Tara and Gibraltar." Tephi and Eochaidh had four children, her firstborn son, Aedh, died as a teen-ager and was buried in the Mound of The Hostages at Tara. In 1955 the Irish archaeologist Sean P. O'Riordhain found Aedh's skeleton, still wearing Egyptian beads that had been given to his mother Teia Tephi, by Pharaoh Hophra, when he adopted Tephi as his own daughter during her stay in Egypt, before she came to Ireland to be its queen. A special subterranean tomb was constructed beneath the Mound of The Hostages and Teia Tephi was buried in it, when she died, along with a number of extremely significant artifacts including David's Harp, which features as the Irish people's national emblem, and probably the Ark of The Covenant.

The Lia Fail Stone that Teia Tephi brought with her from Jerusalem stayed in Ireland, on the Forrad (Inauguration Mound), at Tara, for more than a thousand years and all of the Irish kings were crowned upon the Stone up to c. 500 A.D.

It was then loaned to Fergus, the brother of Muircheartach (Murdoch) king of Ireland, who had emigrated to Scotland and wanted to be crowned king of the Irish who had settled there and had become Scottish.

The Stone was not returned to Tara and stayed in Scotland. There it was called the "Stone of Destiny" (English for Lia Fail) and all of the Scottish kings were crowned upon it, until 1296 A.D. Then Edward the First of England, "Longshanks", invaded Scotland, defeated the Scots and took the Stone from Scone Abbey near Perth to London. From that time forward all of the English kings were subsequently crowned in Westminster Abbey upon the Stone of Destiny, up to, and including, George the Sixth, father of the current queen, Elizabeth II.

In 1950 four Scottish Nationalists removed the Stone from Westminster Abbey; took it back to Scotland and a fake stone called the Stone of Scone was later placed at Arbroath and from there taken to London. It was this same fake stone that Elizabeth the Second was crowned upon in 1953, so in actual fact, she has never really officially been crowned queen of the British people in the eyes of God.

All of the Irish; Scottish and English monarchs after 583 B.C., including Elizabeth the Second, are descended from Eochaidh and Teia Tephi of the line of David from the tribe of Judah. The Stone was taken in 1950 from the House of Windsor from the line of David in fulfillment of God's Prophecies in The Bible Book of Genesis chapter 49:10 -

"The sceptre shall not depart from Judah (the line of David), nor a law-giver from between his feet, until Shiloh (Christ) comes"

Then it will depart from Judah to the line of Joseph. That is its destiny, preordained by God and that is why, since it was first removed from Bethel by the Israelites and carried through the wilderness on a pole for forty years with Moses, it has always been known as the Stone of Destiny. Ireland, is known as Inis Fail, meaning, the Island of Destiny. Amazing significance is that, at the beginning of chapter 31 of her Book, Teia Tephi prophesied that the last overturn of the Throne, to Christ, would happen on the 2,484th anniversary of her death, in 534 B.C., which coincides perfectly with 1950 when four brave Scottish Nationalists removed the Stone of Destiny from Westminster Abbey and deprived Elizabeth II a divine coronation.

The word Brit-ish is Hebrew not English and it means "the People of The Covenant"

The tribe of Joseph is, in fact, divided into two:- Ephraim and Manasseh. Joseph had two sons called Ephraim and Manasseh who, today, are the English and Americans respectively. Abraham, Joseph's great grandad, was told by God that, "in Isaac shall your seed be called" (Genesis 21 v 12). Isaac's sons - Saac's sons - Saxons. The British/English and the Americans are Anglo-Saxons.

Teia Tephi also stated, in her Book of Tephi: Queen of Tara and Gibraltar, that the Gadite Israelite people of Gibraltar; referred to by Jeoffry Keating, in his General History of Ireland, as Gadelians (the Eighth tribe of Israel - Gad was the eighth of Jacob/Israel's twelve sons) traded with the people of the "outer deep" in many things, including apes, and archaeologists have found the remains of a Barbary Ape, which is native to Gibraltar, at Navan Fort and have dated it to the Iron-Age, which is the period of Queen Teia Tephi.

[razed1]

Tsarion is half Indian and from Ireland.... do you know if he has made any of these connections?

he has, his latest books goes into the travels of the druids, to all over the earth

[synergy777]

yes Michael Tsraion is half indian, grandson of Tara Singh/sikh, the renowned philosopher.


i have michael tsarion as a myspace buddy and post these as bulletins. also steven knapp is an awesome author in this global vedic culture field.

the name micheal is derived from the hebrew/indian name mikah/micah.

so i am not as crazy as people think, these vedic celtic connections are true.

also the romany/punjabi connections.

which is funny, as shayler said the staff of aron said " righteous chav - shiloh", and chav is a romany term, lol so how does shayler think righteous chav-messiah, means him. anyway, what would the rod of arron, have to do with the messiah.

i think shayler is either deluded/claridad syndrome/data overload, or as he was a former mi5/6, he is a shill/infiltrator.

[dangermouse]

Well is it any coincedence that some unionists in Northern Ireland fly a flag of david and the nationalists PLO flag


http://www.jcpa.org/jl/vp523.htm
LESSONS FROM NORTHERN IRELAND
FOR THE ARAB-ISRAELI CONFLICT
Dean Godson


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While there are obvious limitations in any analogy between the situation in Northern Ireland and the Israeli-Palestinian dispute, many in the British government and military believe there is such an analogy. As a consequence of the Troubles of the last 30 years, Northern Ireland has become the defining national security experience for that generation of people who now have stewardship for British policy.
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Many British officials see a strong resemblance between the Israelis and the Unionists, both of whom have to be pulled down a peg or two. Both are now perceived as "Afrikaaners," or "settler" groups who have driven out indigenous peoples.
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According to the "consent principle," which has governed British policy throughout the Troubles, Northern Ireland's position as part of the United Kingdom is recognized as long as the majority of its population wishes to uphold the existing constitutional settlement. In the Israeli context, the consent principle is known as the Jewish state's "right to exist." Beyond that, though, almost everything else is up for grabs.
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The post-September 11 anti-terrorism legislation of 2001 holds that terrorism for no rational political purpose, such as the re-creation of a global caliphate, has to be subject to the most stringent anti-terrorism measures. However, the British government does not put Palestinian terrorism or Northern Irish terrorism into that category.
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The British state is well-nigh unique in advertising, quite openly, that it does not really mind if it is dismembered. To ensure the IRA's abandonment of violence, the British will maintain the pace of concessions, at least for as long as the Unionists are prepared to tolerate them.
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In recent years, PLO flags and large wall murals of Arafat can be seen in Catholic-Republican neighborhoods, while Unionist-Protestant zones are covered with Israeli flags. In fact, Northern Ireland is one of the very few parts of Europe where there is a very wide measure of popular support in the majority community for the State of Israel.


Links Between the Two Conflicts

The Northern Ireland and the Israeli-Palestinian disputes have long been the subject of comparative study - and mutual interest. Consider the tangled thread that links the two conflicts. Much of Israeli emergency law dealing with terrorism is the lineal descendent of Britain's own emergency law in Ireland, promulgated between 1916 and 1921 after the Easter Uprising. It was then replicated by the British Mandate in Palestine from the 1920s onwards. This corpus was, in turn, taken over by the Israeli authorities after 1948 and was later applied in the territories after 1967, with modifications. So one can say that the current British emergency legislation, or at least that of it which remains in Northern Ireland (and, indeed, Irish government emergency legislation in the South), is actually a first cousin of the measures in effect in Israel.

A second connecting thread is that many officers of the Royal Irish Constabulary, which was disbanded in 1921 after the British left, joined the new Palestine Police. Later, Yitzhak Shamir studied the IRA's 1916-21 campaign as leader of the anti-British LEHI underground, and indeed adopted the name "Michael" (after Michael Collins) as his nom de guerre. When the IRA campaign was renewed in 1969-1970, its leaders in turn studied the Irgun and the LEHI campaigns, although they themselves were ideologically totally unsympathetic to Zionism, let alone the sort of nationalism that was embodied by Begin and Shamir.

More recently, there has been a connection in the person of Senator George Mitchell, who chaired the talks in Northern Ireland from 1996 to 1998 and then came up with the Mitchell Commission plan during the very last phase of the Barak government in 2000-2001.

The most eye-catching aspect of the linkages between the two conflicts has been a grassroots phenomenon. Traditionally, territory has been demarcated by symbols. Obviously, one can tell a Catholic/Republican area because Irish flags are flying and in Unionist/Protestant areas Union Jacks are fluttering away. But in recent years, particularly after the outbreak of the Al-Aqsa intifada, these have been supplemented in Catholic/Republican neighborhoods with PLO flags and with large wall murals of Arafat. Similarly, Unionist/Protestant zones are covered with Israeli flags. In fact, Northern Ireland is one of the very few parts of Europe where there is a very wide measure of popular support in the majority community for the State of Israel.

While there are evident limitations inherent in the comparison between the two situations, the significant point is that many in the British government and military believe there is such an analogy. This is of particular significance because, as a consequence of the Troubles of the last 30 years, Northern Ireland has become the defining national security experience for that generation of people who now have stewardship for British policy across the world. The defining experience of Harold MacMillan's generation was in the trenches of the First World War. More recently, for Jim Callaghan's and Edward Heath's generation, the defining experience was the Second World War. For this generation, it is the narrow ground of Northern Ireland. But what does this mean in practice?

Many British Officials Now Perceive Both Unionists and Israelis as "Afrikaaners"

Many British officials see a strong resemblance between the Israelis and the Unionists. They see Israel as a settler population that has lived above its means in political, ideological, and military terms - and which has to be pulled down a peg or two. The only question for them is how this best can be brought about. In Northern Ireland, it entailed dethroning the Unionists from their hegemonic majoritarian position and persuading them to accept a new settlement that, by the standards of traditional Unionism, is well short of their historic aspirations.

The British government, along with wide swathes of the British intelligentsia, has made an implicit moral adjudication to consign each of those groups to malefactor status. In Israel's case, the British are dealing with a nation-state, while the other is a sub-national group which is a component part of the United Kingdom. Put more crudely, both are now perceived as "Afrikaaners," who have driven out indigenous peoples with a greater right to the land. This attitude became officially enshrined, as far as Northern Ireland is concerned, after 1997 with the advent of the Blair government.

It is instructive to see how the British Foreign Office website presents the Northern Ireland problem to the outside world. Peter Hain, then a Foreign Office minister, told an audience in New Delhi on 25 November 2000:

In 1921 the Irish Free State was established. That left the six counties of Northern Ireland with their majority Protestant population in the United Kingdom - i.e., that we talk about the partition of what was the original 32 counties of Ireland under British rule. But it was an unsustainable settlement [this was about Northern Ireland], the Protestant majority, i.e., pro-British majority in the North [note the word "North" is an Irish nationalist term; Hain does not call it "Northern Ireland," which is its correct term both in British law and in international law and as such it is recognized throughout the world] ruling oppressively in a devolved administration and denying the Catholic minority basic human rights which it felt could only be achieved by reunification with the independent Irish state in the south, an objective which some nationalists pursued by terrorism.

This is to cast the conflict in Irish Republican terms. In other words, a representative of the British government basically sees Irish nationalists, who seek to dismember his own country, as being in the right. What British governments have said since 1997 is: "Yes, the IRA is terrible; yes, IRA attacks are terrible, but it was the conduct of Northern Ireland's Unionists which made such terrorism inevitable." That mirrors how many British figures see suicide attacks on the Jewish state: terrible, yes, but the sure consequence of Israeli oppression.

Now Blair certainly expresses himself more cautiously on these matters when it comes to the Israeli-Palestinian dispute (though not necessarily his wife!); and his perspective on how to handle the Unionists is not always the same as the Northern Ireland Office, the department of state responsible for running Ulster on a day-to-day basis. Blair effectively says, "I'll be tough on terrorism. But I will also be equally tough on the causes of terrorism." The implicit cause of terrorism is a state run on Unionist majoritarian lines in Northern Ireland. And he certainly views many of Israel's current policies as the root cause of terrorism there.

This is where Blair's pragmatism vis-a-vis both the Northern Ireland Office and vis-a-vis the more traditional Arabist approaches within the British Foreign Office come into play. The Blairites know that neither Northern Ireland nor Israel can be wished away in this generation. Whether Northern Ireland should have been created originally or whether Israel should have been created originally is not really the point; the fact is that neither entity can be destroyed in the here and now. Indeed, if the name of the game is to persuade both Unionists and Israelis to abandon their hardline redoubts, then the first phase of the end game of a peace process, at least, requires a charm offensive. The view was expressed most succinctly by Blair's long-time principal private secretary, Sir John Holmes, who was effectively national security advisor under the British system and is now Ambassador in Paris. According to this analysis, we British ought to get close to the Israelis and understand them, the better to be able to corral them into the kind of settlement that we want (recognizing, of course, that the United States has the lead role in bringing this about).

The Consent Principle

What does persuading both Unionists and Israelis to relinquish their high perches where they are "arrogantly" and "stubbornly" situated mean in practice? The first way to do that is to loudly acknowledge their right to exist. Blair's reputation in Britain as a friend of Israel and of the Jewish community in general rests upon that belief. By the standards of the contemporary British consensus within the intelligentsia, that may be a quite courageous position to hold. It echoes the consent principle which has governed British policy throughout the Troubles, recognizing Northern Ireland's existing status as long as the majority of its population wishes to remain part of the United Kingdom, and not to be coerced unilaterally by political or military means into a united Ireland. In parallel, Israel has a right to exist and Northern Ireland has a right to exist through the formula of the consent principle. Beyond that, though, almost everything else is up for grabs.

Perceiving Different Kinds of Terrorism

Since September 11th there is something called the "international ideology of Northern Ireland," which has found particular expression in the post-September 11 anti-terrorism legislation of 2001 and in subsequent British measures. It holds that terrorism for no rational political purpose, such as the re-creation of a global caliphate, has to be subject to the most stringent responses. However, there are various kinds of terrorism, and the British government does not put Palestinian terrorism or Northern Irish terrorism into that category. In fact, Blair explicitly separates both of those terrorist campaigns because both are motivated, as he sees it, by a rational political purpose, namely, to obtain a fair deal for the Palestinians in the territories and to secure a fair deal for Catholic nationalists in Northern Ireland.

In fact, there have been over 3,000 fatalities from terrorism since the current outbreak of the Troubles in 1969. Thus, Blair is seen as being very tough on American-related terrorism, but specifically excluding terrorists who had killed a very substantial number of British citizens. Indeed, the UK government was perhaps the only government in the world that did not use the events of September 11th as an excuse to engage in a crackdown on its own insurrectionists.

Abandoning Belief in Counter-Insurgency

Now why was this? There is a profound belief, which existed in official British circles prior to 1997 but which skyrocketed since then, that tough measures against terrorism in Northern Ireland and against Palestinian terrorism are massively counter-productive, and that they are especially counter-productive once the British have selected partners for peace from within the relevant insurgent movements. In the case of Northern Ireland, the partner for peace that they have selected is the current generation of the Sinn Fein leadership, personified by Gerry Adams. Indeed, members of the security forces have said they did their utmost to ensure that certain senior Republicans remained alive, to sustain them for the day that they would be able to become partners in what they regard as an equitable political settlement.

Now part of this rests on a belief in tolerating ambiguity in the renunciation of physical force by that particular cadre of insurgents who have been selected as partners until such time as they can supposedly shut down violence for good. Of course, in exchange for affording them that space, Adams and others continue to secure further concessions through the movement's residual capacity for violence. The British fear that if the Sinn Fein politicos are undermined, "mainstream" Republican gunmen will bolt to the dissident Real IRA. This is similar to the line of reasoning that unless concessions are made to Arafat, Palestinians will move over to Hamas.

The arguments for indulging insurgent, revolutionary movements are wonderfully flexible. In the first phase, the "oppressors" must indulge the "moderates." As time goes on, that changes to the "pragmatic hardliners," who are the only faction that can deliver. There are vague echoes here of the mission of Alistair Crooke, the former MI6 officer who served in Northern Ireland and who has been seeking to bring Hamas into the fold as the only people who can "deliver" on a settlement. Judging by past form, future British and EU diplomatic efforts may focus increasingly upon influencing the less "ideological" element within Likud. Many British officials see Hamas and Likud as mutually reinforcing "hardliners."

A key theme in this mindset is that there can be no purely military defeat of insurgents. If this is true, then one has to make a massive number of political concessions. Some of the more robust elements within the British system believe that the Royal Ulster Constabulary, the police force which was at the cutting edge of the struggle against terrorism, was stopping between 7 and 8, and in some cases even 9 out of 10 IRA operations during the latter years of the Troubles. Indeed, year by year we learn just how riddled the IRA was with British informers. But notwithstanding that achievement, the British government decided to give disproportionate political concessions to ensure that the IRA never had "an excuse" to go back to armed struggle. In other words, they believe that the IRA, like the Palestinians, has a great number of very good excuses to go back "to war." That process, of depriving the insurgents of "excuses," inevitably comes at the expense of Unionists and the Israelis.

But what is the definition of victory in Northern Ireland? The British do not define "victory" as the military defeat of the IRA. Firstly, they do not believe it was possible, but even if it was possible, they do not believe in such a defeat as a matter of principle. Victory, as far as they see it in Northern Ireland, is to persuade Sinn Fein/IRA to accept the use of democratic methods. In other words, they have a methodological definition of victory, but have no particular end point of a settlement in mind (which reinforces instability by convincing Republicans that "one last heave," whether politically or militarily, will do the trick).

Indeed, one unique aspect of policy in Northern Ireland is that the British state is well-nigh unique in advertising, quite openly, that it does not really mind if it is dismembered - subject, of course, to the consent principle. All it wants is that the IRA and the Republican movement - in the main - abandon full-scale violence, and then all other roads are open. To ensure that abandonment of violence, the British will maintain the pace of concessions, at least for as long as the Unionists are prepared to tolerate them. And because the British have been working on the Unionist community for so long, they reckon that they have a very good chance of maintaining that grip on events.

[Mo0n5tar]

This is great research, who would have thought there were so many links between India and Eire?

[synergy777]

krishna = jerusalem = hill of tara

http://www.davidicke.com/forum/showthread.php?t=7428

from the thread

http://www.viewzone.com/davidkoresh.html

India's God Krishna Was the King of Jerusalem!
By Gene D. Matlock


What a strange world in which we live! The Catholic Church has always known that Christianity did not begin with Jesus Christ, but yet it tries to make us think it did.

St. Augustine of Hippo (354-430 AD) wrote: "This, in our day, is the Christian religion, not as having been unknown in former times, but as having recently received that name."

Eusebius of Caesarea (circa 283-371 AD) said: "The religion of Jesus Christ is neither new nor strange."

In Anacalypsis, The 17th century British orientalist and iconoclast, Godfrey Higgins, insisted that Christianity was already firmly in place in both the West and the East, many centuries before Jesus Christ was born. He said, The Crestians or Christians of the West probably descended directly from the Buddhists, rather than from the Brahmins. (Vol. 2, pp 438, 439.)

The existence of the Christians both in Europe and India, (existed) long anterior to the Christian era... (Vol 2, p. 202.) I think the most blind and credulous of devotees must allow that we have the existence of the Cristna of the Brahmins in Thrace, many hundred years before the Christian era-the birth of Jesus Christ. (Book X, p. 593.)

"Melito (a Christian bishop of Sardis) in the year 170, claims the patronage of the emperor, for the now so-called Christian religion, which he calls "our philosophy," on account of its high antiquity, has having been imported from countries lying beyond the limits of the Roman empire, in the region of his ancestor Augustus, who found the importation ominous of good fortune to his government." This is an absolute demonstration that Christianity did not originate in Judea, which was a Roman province, but really was an exotic oriental fable, imported from India, and that Paul was doing as he claimed, viz: preaching a God manifest in the flesh who had been "believed in the world" centuries before his time, and a doctrine which had already been preached "unto every creature under heaven." (Bible Myths and Their Parallels in Other Religions; T. W. Doane, p. 409.)

Religious historians have for hundreds of years struggled to find out how and why the stories about Jesus and Krishna, who were born 2,000 years apart, are so nearly identical.

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thus we have krishna/buddha/yashuah/kalki versus the brahmins/priesthood/lingha-pahallic-obelisk death cult, thus the priesthood has always been against the messengers who spoke of equality. wheras the clergy have lied to prerserve their elitest class/caste and their eugenics/master race.

the vedic priesthood like the jewish/christian/muslim priesthood has always took oral law eg talmud etc over the divine truth.

also ask yourself why the corrupt priesthood who follow their own perverted/corrupt version of religion believed hitler to be kalki? why would germans/aryans and indians/aryans be in cahoots

personally its kalki who will destroy the priesthood/elite, not support them, but to anihilate their evil elitest doctrines which are luciferian and not from the source/father-mother.

i think kalki could be indian/aryan, thus the brahmins cannot argue with him, as his lineage will the one which connects indians with africans, and indians with romany, indians with europeans/celts/anglo saxons/latin etc. he will be the living link, the man to unite all his brothers and sisters across the globe.

they know this and i know this.

i have tried to and personally think proved, with the great work of authors both old and contemporry, that we are all united. i have done the celts/anglos saxons/latin links, i have done the african links, i have done the romany, i have shown connections to the jews, the palestinian/middle east/arabs. the connections to the americas, orientals and australisians/polynesians etc. all nationalties/cultures are related if you see beyond the lies of the elite.

so if kalki is outthere, bro, step up.

1love/peace

[synergy777]

http://www.crystalinks.com/tara.html

Tara or Arya Tara, also known as Jetsun Dolma, is a female Bodhisattva typically associated with Tibetan Buddhism. She is the "mother of liberation", and represents the virtues of success in work and achievements.

Tara is actually the generic name for a set of Bodhisattvas of similar aspect. These may more properly be understood as different aspects of the same quality, as Bodhisattvas are often considered metaphoric for Buddhist virtues. As Mahatara, Great Tara, she is the supreme creatrix and mother of all the Buddhas and Bodhisattvas.

Tara is the Feminine Goddess Archetype in Hindu Mythology. Tara governs the Underworld, the Earth and the Heavens, birth, death and regeneration, love and war, the seasons, all that lives and grows, the Moon cycles - Luna - feminine - creation. Typically Tara is seen as a slender and beautiful woman of white complexion, long golden hair and blue eyes.

Her animals are the sow, mare, owl and raven.

She is the most popular figure in the Tibetan pantheon of deities, the beautiful goddess Tara, (pronounced tah' rah) whose name in means 'Star' - originated in Indian Hinduism as the Mother Creator, and her many representations spread from Ireland to Indonesia under many different names.

In later Hindu scriptures, she is depicted as one of the eight major aspects of the Divine Feminine Principle, a loving manifestation in contrast to the fiercesome Kali. Like a star that perpetually consumes its own energy, Tara represents the never-ending desires that fuel all life.

Adopted by Buddhism from Hinduism by the 3rd century B.C. , Tara appears in Buddhism, Jainism, and particularly, Tibetan Lamaism, as a complex array of manifestations: goddess of ascetism and mysticism, mother creator, protectress of all humans as they cross the sea of life.

Polynesian Mythology: Tara is a beautiful sea goddess

Latin: Terra, Mother Earth

Druids: called their mother goddess Tara.

Finland: An ancient legend speaks of Tar, the Women of Wisdom.

South America: indigenous tribe in the jungle call to their goddess, Tarahumara.

Native American: Cheyenne people tell of a Star Woman who fell from the heavens to the Earth. Out of her body all essential food grew. She sent her people to mate with the more primitive inhabitants of Earth, thereby giving them the capacity for wisdom.

more at the link

[synergy777]

http://www.faculty.ucr.edu/~legneref/bronze/seapeopl.htm

THE SEA PEOPLES

All at once, they were on the move, scattered in war. They laid their hands upon the lands to the very circuit of the earth, their hearts confident and trusting; Our plans will succeed... " (Ramesses III).

The name "Peoples of the Sea" comes directly from the Egyptian records, describing the Sea Peoples' exploits. As their collective name tells us, they were tribes who had developed a life style almost totally dependent upon the sea. They perfected boats, sailing and navigational techniques for fishing offshore as well as long distance travel and explored much of the Atlantic ocean. They invented or improved the easily constructed leather boats (coracle) by discovering that oak-tanned hides would keep their shape and usefulness when used in contact with salt water and to keep their boats sea-worthy, even after many days at sea. It appears that all the Sea Peoples adhered to the ancient religion of the one Great Goddess. Close contact was maintained by boat between these tribes trading goods and to standardize their religion, universal language, traditions and oral history. As all the Sea Peoples were actively involved in exploring the Mediterranean, Black Sea and Atlantic, the people keeping up the contacts must have heard fascinating tales of daring deeds, strange discoveries, amazing experiences and also of enormous hardships and loss of life. All these legendary tales are now irretrievably lost. (See Nyland (2001) for more details)


It appears that, as a result of the conquering of Crete by the aggressive Achaian pirates from the Greek mainland in about 1,400 bce., the Sea Peoples realized that their way of life, religion and their very existence was threatened by the new cult of the cruel sky gods of the Near East. The tribes of the Goddess then bonded closer together and formed the league of the Sea Peoples, the religious leadership of which was centered on the islands of Malta(1) and Gozo(2).

It must have been a heart-wrenching decision to organize and arm for war, because most of these traditionally non-aggressive, fun- and life-loving people had rarely been at odds with other people. They had been too busy exploring and settling the empty parts of the earth, which had earlier been inaccessible or made unlivable by the ice and unfavable climate of the last ice age. There was no war mentality among them.


THE RECORDS

Many written references exist in Egypt documenting the activities of the Sea Peoples. Here in brief are a few of those mentioned in historical documents and elaborated on elsewhere:

1341 bce., ambassadors of the Sea Peoples, possibly from the British Isles and Ireland, brought special gifts for Pharaoh Akhenaten and his Queen Nefertiti, indicating a good relationship between their countries. The pharaoh and his queen had tried to break the hold of the polytheistic, male-dominated religion of Egypt and had returned to the old ways of the Great Goddess.


THE SEA PEOPLES IDENTITY

Originally the Sea Peoples had been those tribes which had developed boat building, sailing, oak tanning of leather and star navigation and who led a life style almost entirely dependent on the sea. They may have started their experimentation on the ocean as early as 38,000 bce. and had learned that the sea could provide a reliable food supply at all times of the year and as a result had developed highly advanced sea-food harvesting methods. They coined the name 'ocean', Greek 'okeano', oke-ano, okegin (fulness, plentiful) ano (food supply): "plentiful food supply". When the central Sahara became unlivable because of fast advancing desertification (See Climate), which forced them to flee to the coast, the Sea Peoples were ready and available to ferry the displaced tribes and their livestock north to Europe. The Sea Peoples included the following three main tribes:



1) The dark featured, Rh-negative Berbers, originally from Morocco, Algiers and Senegal, who had discovered and populated the Canary and Cape Verde islands, all of the Atlantic islands off Europe, the Basque country and had established reindeer hunting camps in Finnmark in Arctic Norway and leather tanning stations on the southern tip of Sweden and the west coast of Ireland. They controlled all Atlantic traffic and the far western part of the Mediterranean. The Berbers from Morocco likely were the Shekelesh (3) of the Egyptian records, while the people of Britain may have been called the Aqaiwasha. It appears that the people of the Hebrides and Scotland were known to the Egyptians as the Tyrrhenoi(4), the people of Odysseus' tribe, later known to the Romans as the Picts. Their migration was a simple one and covered an area that was within easy reach of the homeland.



2) The blond, blue eyed, Rh-positive Shardana(5), also known as the Sherden or the Sherdein, from

she-erdein
xede - erdeinatzaile
restriction - scornful
"Scornful of restrictions"


were apparently originally from Cyrenaica, which is located between Libya and Egypt near the Mediterranean.

The geographical name Cyrenaica (Kirunaika) is an agglutination of three words:

kir-unai-ika
kirru - unai - ikaragaitz
blond - cowherd - fearless
"The fearless blond cowherds".


Very early on they had concentrated their efforts on exploring the lands around the Black Sea and must have been impressed with the potential for settlement. In northern Anatolia, on the shore of the Black Sea, they were known to the Hittites as the Kaska or Kirrukaska(6), and their descendants still live in the north east of Turkey under the name of Circaskian Turks. In their extremely wide ranging migration they sailed to the north shore of the Black Sea, and pulled, portaged and rowed up the almost endless Dnepr river and in time populated the Ukraine as far north as modern Lithuania. They then went on to settle the islands in, and the lands surrounding, the Baltic Sea. After settling the mainland of Norway and the Friesian islands they ended their migration in Iceland. In the Odyssey, the people who settled Norway are known by the name of Phaiakians or Phaikians, now called Vikings.


3) The people we call Cretans or Minoans were known to the 18th Dynasty Egyptians as Keftiu.

Keftiu(7)
.ke - eb. - .ti - i.u
ake - eba - ati - ihu
akela - ebakin - atxikilotu - ihuodei
Goddess - harvest - to arrest/hold back - thunderclouds
"The Goddess of the harvest holds back the thunderclouds."

from the beautiful island of Kaphtor. They were in control of all sea traffic and trade in the eastern Mediterranean. When the very large volcano on the Isle of Thera erupted in about 1,420 bce., it devastated Crete with terrible earthquakes, a thick layer of volcanic ash and the north coast was savaged by terrible tsunamis, which destroyed the ships and towns on the north coast and drowned most of the people living there. After that disastrous time, the Philistines of Cyprus and Lebanon, known to the Egyptians(8) as Pulisati(9), filled the sea commerce void left by the demise of the Keftiu. They may have been refugees from Crete.

Other ocean sailing Sea Peoples lived on the shores of the Indian ocean, one of them being the Yemeni from southern Arabia, who traveled regularly to India, Ceylon and Indonesia, but we are not concerned with them here.


SEA PEOPLES HISTORY


During the Ice Age, enormous amounts of water had been stored as ice on the northern continents, which had lowered the world's ocean level some 100 meters and probably even more. The peak of glaciations and the lowest ocean level came about around 16,000 bce. (See Climate) and was followed 4,000 years later by a very warm period which sent so much water cascading down the mountains and rivers, that during several years in a row the ocean level jumped up by an incredible 10 cm each year. Associated with violent storms, it caused enormous flooding and disastrous conditions in the low-lying coastal areas all over the world. Memories of this most destructive time are still told around the earth as legends of The Great Flood. The warm period ended about 9,000 bce. Then a Mini Ice Age followed lasting some centuries, during which the still present glaciers recovered some of the lost ground. The famous Irish archaeologist Michael O'Kelly wrote:

"In the Post-glacial Stage, which commenced about 10,300 years ago [= 8,300 bce.] the climate again began to improve and thus began the present warm stage' in which we now live".(10)

It is likely that the first settlers arrived in Ireland at this time. Imagine the Atlantic coast of Ireland around 8,000 bce. The glaciers and ice fields on the continents were again melting fast and the ocean level at that time had risen to about 25 meters below what it is today, still leaving part of the continental shelf exposed. Low lying, often-flat areas, such as what later became the North Sea and the Irish Sea, which had connected Ireland and Britain with the continent, were now being flooded. The people who were living on these low-lying shores, close to the sea must have known that the sea level was rising relatively fast. They had to live near the sea for at least part of the year because they were dependent on fish, small whales, squid, shellfish etc. for sustenance. The first people to settle on the west coasts of the islands were likely the support crews for the reindeer hunters of Finnmark in Arctic Norway, who needed safe harbs, resting places, supply and repair services for their ocean transport ships. The first and most important of these bases established was likely on Orkney, which has the longest record of continuous settlement of the British Isles and has rich archaeological sites to prove it. The traditional view of the origin of the Picts is that they started out settling the other islands from Orkney as is written by Bede in "The Eclesiastical History of the English People" (731 A.D.) which may well be true. It was also roughly the halfway point between the Basque country and Finnmark. The people sent there had brought any needed tools, livestock, and nets along with them from the Bay of Biscay(11), or even farther, from Morocco. It is sure that they imported goats and pigs, because these animals could survive with little care in the coastal forests and were an essential part of their food supply. Many of the dwelling sites these people had been living in are now well below sea level, it is not likely that much they left behind in these low areas would be recognizable today because of the incessant wave action. The weather appears to have been considerably better than it is today as O'Kelly wrote


"In circa 9,600 BP [= 76,00 bce], the Boreal Phase, birch was still present but hazel began to expand greatly. The lowlands and lower mountain slopes became covered in woodland and the heath lands seem to have disappeared. Pine also became prominent and while hazel continued to increase at the expense of birch, the oak and the elm made their appearance. The climate was relatively dry and not unlike that of the present day, although perhaps less stormy because the forest was able to spread right down to the western coastline. It is known that man was in Ireland at this time..."


Sailors from Morocco and the Basque(12) country had explored the entire west coast of Europe(13) at a very early date, possibly as early as 9,000 bce. Already at that early stage, these intrepid sailors had perfected boat building and star navigation, and explored as far north as Arctic Norway and in the process they discovered the immense migrating herd of reindeer, which moved between present day Russia and Norway. Reindeer hide was an essential material because their sails were made out of leather. Up to that time they had obtained the needed sail skins from another large herd on the high plateau in southern France and the highlands of the Pyrenees, where they had hunting camps. However, by 8,000 bce, the glaciers had retreated into the Alps and the reindeer followed until they were out of reach of the hunters, so a new source was urgently needed, which they knew existed in Finnmark, Norway.


THE Rh-NEGATIVE BLOOD FACTOR

The people of the first ocean-born migration, which populated the northwest coast of Europe, had a very special blood peculiarity that their descendants are still living with today. This was the only tribe in the world with many of its members having Rh-negative blood. Dr. Luigi Cavalli-Sforza published a map of the populations with the highest percentage of their members with Rh-negative blood. He wrote:


"Rh-negative genes are frequent in Europe, infrequent in Africa and West Asia, and virtually absent in East Asia and among the aboriginal populations of America and Australia. One can estimate degrees of relatedness by subtracting the percentage of Rh-negative individuals among, say, the English (16%) from that among the Basques (25%) to find a difference of nine percentage points. But between the English and East Asians it becomes 16 points, a greater distance that perhaps implies a more ancient separation".(14)


The highest percentage is found among some of the tribes still living in the Atlas Mountains of Morocco (40%). The next highest are the Basques, reported in different publications as having 25 and 32%, depending on location. The people of northwest Ireland, the Highland Scots and the western islanders of Norway all have between 16 and 25%, while the Lapps of Norway and Finland have between 5 and 7%. In addition, Cavalli-Sforza reports two small isolated populations of the same tribe, one in Chad and another in Senegal, each with about 25%. On his map, he shows an Rh-negative population in Chad, still living near the formerly enormous Chad lake. Only part of this lake still exists on the spot where the boundaries of Chad, Niger, Nigeria and Cameroon meet. These people may originally have been the sailors on Chad lake. Could it be that this is the original location of the Rh-negative population that then moved to Morocco and Algiers to become the Berbers? Or would it be the other way around?

BLACK IRISH AND SCOTS

The people, jokingly called the Black Irish, have dark hair and eyes, wedge-shaped faces and look like Berbers and Basques. Their blood type proves that Berbers and Basques were originally closely related people, as many of them have Rh-negative blood. They are likely the descendants of the first settlers to Ireland and Scotland. This type of people is especially common in Conamara and Donegal of Ireland and on the Outer Hebrides of Scotland.

Today in many publications, the presence of these dark-eyed people is explained as them being castaways of the huge Spanish armada which was defeated in 1588 by a coalition of British and Dutch sailors in the North Sea. They were wrecked on the islands by storms when the remnants of the fleet tried to sail around Ireland to struggle back home. Many of the sailors had indeed been Basques and several of those that made it safely to land, liked it there and stayed. However, the existence of these dark featured people had already been documented long before the armada was ever thought of. There is little doubt that the Black Irish are the descendants of the oldest population of the British Isles and Ireland.

[synergy777]

krishna-jerusalem-hill of tara

http://www.davidicke.com/forum/showthread.php?t=7428

also

http://www.studylight.org/his/bc/wfj/apion/view.cgi?book=1&chapter=1

FLAVIUS JOSEPHUS CONTRA APION
chapter 1,verse 22:16

Then said Hyperochides, Go on, if it so pleases thee. This man then, [answered Aristotle,] was by birth a Jew, and came from Celesyria; these Jews are derived from the Indian philosophers; they are named by the Indians Calami, and by the Syrians Judaei, and took their name from the country they inhabit, which is called Judea; but for the name of their city, it is a very awkward one, for they call it Jerusalem.

http://www.davidicke.com/forum/showpost.php?p=96714&postcount=34

http://www.vnn.org/editorials/ET0307/ET14-8222.html

Hebrews And Vedic Brahmins

BY DR. SAMAR ABBAS, ALIGARH, INDIA

EDITORIAL, Jul 14 (VNN) — A Review


tell me what you think of the hill of tara thread, my mish mash of cut and pastes, lol

thus could my wacky hypothesis be true?

[Mo0n5tar]

Hi Synergy just found a decent site while googling "Zarahites" + "Caucus", you may have seen it before?

http://christianparty.net/gaelic.htm

Gaelic

The languages spoken by the Celts of Ireland, Scotland and the Isle of Man, a branch of Celtic


The Cult of Aton (Aten) left Egypt along with the Levites (the elite priesthood class) who had served and lived alongside them at Akhetaten (Tell el-Amarna), and at Avairs, Giza, and Heliopolis. These tribes are put before us today as the "Israelites," the supposed "Jews" of history. Those who became known later as "Jews" were, however, originally neither Israelites nor Hebrews. The name Hebrew comes from Ibaru (or Ibri, or Abri, or Abari) an ancient Egyptian term for the "wise ones." The word rabbi is a rendition or variant of this ancient name. The Ibaru were members of the elect and had a strong blood-line connection to the House of the Pharaoh. This word Ibaru had a similarity to Apiru (Egyptian Apir) which meant wanderer, or shepherd, or foreigner. This unfortunate similarity of etymology has caused great confusion but has favored the machinations of those elites who crave to obscure the truth of their ancestry.


bullet The Israelite Dispersion.
bullet Facts about Ireland.
bullet The DNA link between Ireland and Spain.

Our view of Gaelic is based on an East to West movement of civilization which has been proven by archeologists and historians to be wrong. The original civilization was established in the British Isles and points West [Lemuria, Atlantis?] and moved East. Thus what many believe to be Hebrew words which spread to Ireland and other parts of the British Isles as Gaelic was actually Gaelic which spread from the British Isles and was RENAMED "Hebrew".

The following terms are archeological sites pre-date the earliest "Hebrew" writings, are proof that these Gaelic words existed in Ireland before Moses, Abraham, the Great Flood:

1. Torah, a city, the capitol of the Druids, and the name by which God's Law is known
2. Hill of Torah, the ruins of the city Torah, same name as Abraham's father.
3. Olam Fodlah
4. Lia Fail, known as Jacob's Pilar, traveled to Scotland as the Stone of Destiny, now in Westminster Abbey.
5. Celtic crosses which pre-date Jesus.
6. "Nazi" symbol on Celtic crosses which pre-date Jesus.
7. Ogham Script found in Irish, Scotish, "native American", and Mayan temples.
8. Tea Tephi
9. Scota, daughter of Nefertiti, after whom Scotland was named.
10. "Rabbi" from the Gaelic word "abari".
11. "maggi" from the three wise men who visited Jesus is Latin for "Druids".

Irish of the Republic of Ireland, who are 98% Catholic, know that there's something not quite right about Catholic history. They question why the church would attempt to isolate people from the Hill of Torah by putting a fence around it and building a cathedral at the entrance, complete with a statue of St. Patrick, forcing tourists to virtually go through this church to get to the Hill of Torah. They question why they renamed it "Hill of Tara", a word which is meaningless.

There is more at the link.

[synergy777]

http://www.mondovista.com/hinduturk.html

viewzone.com

Gene Matlock: The India, Turkey, Mexico Connection

Introducion

Editor's Note: For almost ten years, Viewzone has been proud to introduce readers to the exceptional and often controversial work of Gene Matlock. Gene has been credited with, almost single handedly, focusing historians and archaeoligists on the cultural similarities between the indigenous people of Mexico, past and present, and the ancient cultures of India and Turkey.

Gene examines common words in use by everyday people, their cultural traditions and even their religious beliefs and "gods" to make an exhaustive comparison that must make even the most skeptical historian pause and re-examine history. His intelligently written articles have been the topic of hundreds of on-line "blogs" and of classroom discussions in universities and livingrooms all over the globe.

Gene is the author of numerous books on this topic and presents some of his most provacative theories for the readers of Viewzone. Enjoy!


During my speaking engagement In Saltillo, Coahuila, Mexico about the Hindu-Turkic origin of the ancient Mexicans during April 25, 26, 27, 28, in 2007, the Hindus present expressed their extreme displeasure that most nations in the world refuse to recognize the truth that the ancient Hindus and Turks are the parents of this world. Nearly every person reading this article has a Turkic or Hindu last name. Yet, most humans on earth will swear that they're anything but.
Right now, the Mexicans and Hindus are collectively accepting the truth of their millenniums-old kinship, both genetically and culturally. I discovered this fact on my own, more than three decades ago. I hope that through my articles, books and other writings, our Hindu and Turkic parents will get the recognition and respect they so well deserve.

Hopefully, the truth that we are all blood brothers may inspire us to stop killing one another.

--Gene Matlock


Suggested List of Books by Gene D. Matlock. All books published by iUniverse.

Jesus and Moses Are Buried in India, Birthplace of Abraham and the Hebrews. ISBN: 0-595-13468-8.
Note: This book led to Mr. Matlock's discovery that all human beings descend from the Turks and Hindus. At the time he wrote this book, which took more than 20 years of research, he had succumbed to a popular Hindu lie that the Aryans were either inventions of European whites or white devils. Later, he found out that the Aryans were just all the homo-sapien-sapien races of mankind. Other than his erroneous appraisal of the Aryans, the book is an excellent reference manual for students of comparative religion. When Mr. Matlock finished the book, he was 100 percent sure that Jesus was buried in India. One of his readers, author Suzanne Ollson, decided to visit Kashmir for a few weeks, wanting to corroborate Mr. Matlock's findings. She ended up staying several years, writing her excellent book, Jesus in Kashmir, The Lost Tomb. Mr. Matlock states that after reading Suzanne's book, he became 200 percent sure.

India Once Ruled the Americas! ISBN: 0-595-1346-8. Mr. Matlock confesses that he also erroneously made demons of the Aryans when in reality they were just modern humans of all races.

Nature's Religion Versus Mankind's Spiritual Frauds. ISBN: 0-595-28208-3.

Christianity-Mankind's First Worldwide Religion! Yes, Christianity preceded all known religions, contrary to our mental conditioning that it is just over 2,000 years old. It is the granddaddy of Buddhism and India's Isvar or Shiva religion. No other religion preceded it. ISBN-13: 978-0-595-36511-0.

The Ego - Mankind's Inner Terrorist! ISBN-13:978-0-595-36181-6. Mr. Matlock wrote this book about India's Jnana Yoga before he even knew what Jnana Yoga was. An Iuniverse Editor's Choice.

What Strange Mystery Unites the Turkish Nations, India, Catholocis and Mexico? ISBN: 0-595-39446-9. Mr. Matlock says that of all the books he has ever written, this one is his favorite.

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nice 1 micky, will have a look

[synergy777]

http://www.stephen-knapp.com/proof_of_vedic_culture's_global_existence.htm

Proof of Vedic Culture's Global Existence

by Stephen Knapp

This book provides evidence which makes it clear that most religious history is not what we think it is. It lets you see the true heritage that has been suppressed for centuries. It shows that there was once a greatly advanced and ancient culture that was a global society. This was the Vedic civilization. Even today we can see its influence in any part of the world, which makes it obvious that before the world became full of distinct and separate cultures, religions, and countries, it was once united in a common brotherhood of Vedic culture, with common standards, ideals, language, and representations of God.

No matter what we may be in regard to our present religion, society, or country, we are all descendants of that ancient, global civilization. The Vedic tradition of India is the parent of humanity and the original ancestor of all religions. Through this book you will see:

* How Vedic knowledge was given to humanity by the Supreme.

* The history and traditional source of the Vedas and Vedic Aryan society.

* Who were the original Vedic Aryans. How Vedic society was a global influence and what shattered this once world-wide society.

* Many scientific discoveries over the past several centuries are only rediscoveries of what was already known in the Vedic literature.

* How the origins of world language and literature are found in India and Sanskrit. How Sanskrit faded from being a global language.

* The Vedic influence and proof of its ancient existence found in such countries as Britain, France, Russia, Greece, China, Japan, Egypt, and in areas of Scandinavia, the Middle East, Africa, and the Americas.

* The links between the Vedic and other ancient cultures, such as the Sumerians, Persians, Egyptians, Romans, Greeks, etc.

* How Judaism, Christianity, Islam, and Buddhism were all influenced by the Vedic tradition and still contain many Vedic elements within them.

* How many of the western holy sites, churches, and mosques were once the sites of Vedic holy places and sacred shrines.

* Uncovering the truth of India's history: Powerful evidence that shows how many mosques and Muslim buildings were once opulent Vedic temples.

* The need to recognize the real history of the world, and to protect what is left of Vedic culture, the roots of humanity.

This book is offered as an attempt to allow humanity to see more clearly its universal origins. However, this book provides enough amazing if not startling facts and evidence about the truth of world history and the ancient, global Vedic culture, that it could quite possibly cause a major shift in the way we view religious history and the basis of world traditions. The book is 353 pages, and 6" x 9" trim size, with Glossary, References, and Index.

"The missing link in our understanding of civilization is the Vedic Aryan culture which thrived on the Indian subcontinent in antiquity and which influenced subsequent civilizations in Sumeria, China, Egypt and the Middle East, Europe and Britain, Southeast Asia and as far away as the Americas. Stephen Knapp, in Proof of Vedic Culture's Global Existence, delves into the history and traditional sources of the Vedas--that ancient body of sacred literature which many regard as the fount of the world's spiritual and cultural heritage." Nexus Magazine, Nov-Dec, 2000.

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Proof of Vedic Culture's Global Existence Table of Contents

PREFACE * This book is Great Food for thought at the Very Least * About the Name "Hindu."

INTRODUCTION: WHAT IS THE VEDIC/ARYAN CULTURE

CHAPTER ONE: VEDIC CULTURE SINCE THE TIME OF CREATION * The Divinity of Sanskrit

CHAPTER TWO: THE HISTORY AND TRADITIONAL SOURCE OF THE VEDAS * The Compiling of the Vedic literature

CHAPTER THREE: REDISCOVERING THE ADVANCEMENTS OF VEDIC SCIENCE * More ancient glories of Vedic Culture * The Vedic Ion Machine

CHAPTER FOUR: THE ORIGINS OF VEDIC SOCIETY: SOURCE OF THE WORLD'S SPIRITUAL HERITAGE * Theories of the Aryan origins * Was there ever an Aryan Invasion? * The Indus Valley Civilization was a part of the advanced Vedic Culture * The Vedic literature supplies no evidence of an Aryan invasion * More evidence for the original home of the Vedic Aryans * The Vedic explanation of the original Aryans and how their influence spread throughout the world * The chronology of events in the spread of Vedic culture * Conclusion.

CHAPTER FIVE: THE WHOLE WORLD WAS ONCE IN UNITED IN VEDIC CULTURE * The Vedic tradition is the parent of all humanity * India and Sanskrit: The source of world literature * Worldwide remnants of Sanskrit * How Sanskrit faded from being a global language and what shattered the global Vedic culture * Vedic culture is the original ancestor of all religions.

CHAPTER SIX: MORE SANSKRIT/VEDIC LINKS WITH ENGLISH WORDS AND WESTERN CULTURE

CHAPTER SEVEN: THE VEDIC INFLUENCE FOUND IN THE MIDDLE EAST AND AFRICA * The Hittites * The Mitanni * The Sumerians * Persia * Afghanistan * Iraq and Iran * The Kassites * Israel * Arabia * The Parsis * The Druze * Egypt * Africa.

CHAPTER EIGHT: ISLAM AND ITS LINKS WITH VEDIC CULTURE * The Basics of Islam * The Vedic connections in Islam * The Kaba was a Vedic shrine

CHAPTER NINE: THE PHILOSOPHICAL ORIGINS AND VEDIC LINKS IN JUDAISM * The History of Judaism * More Vedic links in Judaism

CHAPTER TEN: THE VEDIC INFLUENCE IN EUROPE AND RUSSIA * The Vedic influence in Britain * Stonehenge and the Druids * Ireland * France * Scandinavia * Lithuania * Germany * Central Europe * Spain * Italy * The Pope and the Vatican * Greece * Russia.

CHAPTER ELEVEN: CHRISTIANITY AND THE VEDIC TEACHINGS WITHIN IT * A brief look at Christianity's beginnings * Paganism in Christianity * The sectarian development of the Christian Scriptures * The Vedic influence on Christianity * The dark side of Christianity * The prison of religion * Jesus Taught Bhakti-yoga * Do all Christians go to heaven? * The Bible teaches the chanting of God's names * The names of God.

CHAPTER TWELVE: THE VEDIC INFLUENCE IN THE ORIENT * Java * Indonesia * Borneo * Malaysia and Singapore * Thailand * North and South Vietnam, Cambodia and Laos * Korea * Myanmar (Burma) * China * Buddhism * Japan * Reiki.

CHAPTER THIRTEEN: THE VEDIC INFLUENCE IN THE ANCIENT AMERICAS * More Vedic links in the Inca language * Other cultures that came to America.

CHAPTER FOURTEEN: UNCOVERING THE TRUTH ABOUT INDIA'S HISTORY * The plot to cover Vedic archeology in India * The Taj Mahal was a Hindu temple * The misidentified so-called Muslim buildings in Delhi * The Kutab Minar * Other buildings around Delhi * Ahmedabad * Bijapur * Misidentified Hindu buildings in other areas * Hindus constructed, Muslims destroyed * Time to plan the survival of Vedic culture * An action plan for the survival of Vedic Culture in India and elsewhere.

CONCLUSION

APPENDIX ONE: MORE INFORMATION ABOUT VIMANAS

APPENDIX TWO: REESTABLISHING THE DATE OF LORD BUDDHA

REFERENCES / GLOSSARY / INDEX

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Vedic Origins of the Europeans: The Danavas, Children of Danu
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Common Roots of Vedic and Celtic Culture and Spirituality

Ancient Links Between Ancient Peoples

The Celtic Peoples were spread across Europe about 4 millennia ago and moved into the British Isles and Ireland at the beginning of the last millenneum. The basic day to day spiritual needs of the tribe were generally met by the local shamans, usually women, while the spiritual and ethical welfare of the greater community of the Celtic Kingdoms was entrusted to the mysterious Druids.

A mystical-religious order, these Brahmins of the West trained for 20 years and more in philosphy, oration, metaphysics, ritual, magic, meditation, science, medicine and law. There were several levels of initiation and specialization within the Druidic order such as the Bards, through whom we have what little of the ancient wisdom is exant in ancient tales and songs. Druids were seldom tied to any kingdom or community. The Druids were free to come and go as they chose, for their own mysterious reasons. They generally held regional councils seasonally or in time of need.

The more one examines this ancient cultural and spiritual thread running through the history of Europe and the Western Isles, the more similarities one finds with the Vedic thread of culture and spirituality that runs through the even more ancient history of Bharat (India). The Celtic mark is stamped upon all the cultures of medieval and modern Europe. The Celtic traditions have most clearly survived in Irish faith and culture.This Celtic mark in nearly every instance finds a reflection in the ancient Vedic culture and it's influence upon modern Hinduism, Jainism, Buddhism and Sikhism.

Just as our ancient Celtic forebears began each day by entering naked into the cold, sacred rivers for morning ablutions, chanting mantras in their Indo-European Celtic tongues, wearing topknots in their long hair "so emblematic of the brahmins," as recorded by Tacitus, the ancient historian. From surviving Celtic sculpture, we know special yogic sitting postures were utilized for spiritual purpose. The rubrics and rituals of our Celtic ancestors can be found in any number of the Vedic traditions of modern Bharat.. One of the most telling evidences of historical connection is in music.

If you are at all familiar with traditional Celtic music, especially the slow, yet rythmical mournful ballads will immediately recognize and even anticipate the melodic progression in Indian music from any of the traditions. As a musician myself, I can tell you that a note for note comparison between a Celtic tune and a Hindu tune would show amazing similarities.Druids, in their capacity as the 'spiritual elite' of Celtic society and in their severe and comprehensive training are unique, their only counterparts are the rishi seers and brahmins of Bharat in Vedic times.

The decimation of the Druidic order by the Romans and the subsequent absorption of Celtic culture into Christianity by the Church has left us with precious little knowledge of the Druids, and little more about Celtic daily life. One Greek historian's eyewitness description of an old, bearded druid has him draped in a white, cowled cloak, wielding a sacred gold sickle to harvest a branch of the sacred mistletoe from a holy oak tree. The woolen cowled cloaks were an insignia of druidship-though not always white-as were triple-ended staffs and other talismans embossed with chariot wheel, swastika or triple-swirl symbols. The white robes may have been reserved for the most sagely, psychic druids, called ovates. Their hair swept long, often braided or curled in a topknot. This physical description is uncannily like a typical description of a Brahmin, from nearly any age of India's history. We know that they were exempt from taxes and from warfare, but were required to teach warriors breathing and chanting techniques to induce a battle-trance, or blood-lust, and high body heat, a sign of psychic energy.

The Druids did not dwell in the villages or towns with the general population. They kept to themselves, alone or in austere caves or timber cloisters, just as the holy men of Bharat, be they Brahmins, swamis or sannyasins. On the ancient and magickal island of Avalon (modern Glatonbury?) was a community of priestesses. Depending on what one felt called to, a Druid served the greater community in any number of capacities; seer, nemeton priest, judge, king's counselor, lawyer, bard, healer, or astronomer.

Some Comparisons:

PANTHEON

Vedic gods are called devas, meaning "shinning ones." A philosophically pantheistic overlay built on earlier anthropomorphic deities based on the forces of nature, ethics, culture, and physical skills.

Celtic gods are called deuos, also meaning "shinning ones." Based on a Shamanic, animistic polytheism, the advent of the Druidic order into Celtic society injected a more pantheistic view of deity.

COSMOLOGY

Posits four major interrelated worlds, or planes: the Physical Plane (the phenomenal world perceived by our physical senses), the Astral Plane (the realm of demigods and various non-carnate spirits) and Causal Plane(the realm of Supreme Deity and primal energy), and a hell of sorts, which is more of a corridor to the other three planes rather than it's own plane.

Four major interrelated worlds, or realms; the Nether Realm (Subconscious mind, through which we reach the non-physical realms or planes of existence), the Earth Realm (Conscious mind), the Heavenly Realm (Superconscious mind), and the Star Realm (Cosmic consciousness, transcendent of mind, the abode of all primal energy.)

REINCARNATION

The soul incarnates again and again in response to karma, or the effects caused by actions taken and accumulated life after life until one has attained moksha, or liberation from samsara, the endless cycle of birth, death and rebirth. The Sankrit word for soul is atman.

Although there is only a vague conception of karma, reincarnation was an accepted fact of life among the Celts, who also tended to worship their more successful ancestor, judging their need to be reborn by the physical accomplishments of life. The Gaelic (Celtic) word for soul is anam.

DISCIPLINE

Brahmins study for 12 years to learn oration, mathematics, ritual, astrology, medicine and vedic knowledge. Yogis perform amazing physical austerities through yoga. Breath control is central, the Sankrit word for breath is prana.

Druids studied for up to 20 years to learn oration, mathematics, ritual, astrology, statecraft, diplomacy, and medicine. They also practiced severe austerities, also involving breath control. The Gaelic (Celtic) word for breath is anah

SCRIPTURAL CADENCE

The ancient Vedic scholars were noted for memorizing the lengthy epics conveying spiritual knowledge and dharmic duty. The poetic metre for these sagas was typically fixed syllable line, free form with 3-part cadence.

The Bards of the Druidic order were required to memorize the Celtic sagas conveying metaphysical truths and civic duty. The poetic metre for the Celtic sagas was also fixed syllable, free form with a 3-part cadence.

WOMEN IN SOCIETY AND RELIGION

Hindus (especially during the Vedic period) elevated the feminine virtues, allowing them to own property and to serve the goddess as priestess.

Celts prized strong women, who fought along side the men in war. Celtic women could own property and serve the goddess as priestess.

RITUAL

The central part of puja, or worship is the fire sacrifice, performed in a fire pit, with offerings of spices and rice, accompanied by chanting.

The focal point of a Celtic ritual is the fire, in a central pit. Offerings to the gods of food and wine were thrown into the fire, usually with chanting.

ETHICS

The Vedas show a special appreciation for honesty, even as a supernatural power. Honor and Eloquence are highly valued

The Celtic sense of Honor is strong and deep. Truth-sayers and orators were held in the same respect as kings among the Celts.

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General Indo-European

Piotr Gasiorowski's Homepage

Proto-Indo-European Studies by Chris Gwinn

Comparative Indo-European Data Corpus - a huge and interesting collection of IE cognates

Did Indo-European Languages spread before farming? - a hypothesis article by Jonathan Adams

Everything you wanted... but were afraid... - beginners only

Glottalic Theory - a description and comparison

Historical Indo-European Linguistics - online articles and materials

IE Documentation Center - publications, introductions by the Linguistic
Research Center of Texas University

Indo-European - university materials and good links

Indo-European and other languages mailing lists - addresses online

Indo-European Dialects - a magnificent collection of links to dialectal studies of Indo-European

Indo-European Family of Languages - explanations and a few examples of different modern Indo-European tongues.

Indo-European Language Resources - some really useful things, especially text corpora and online glossaries

Indo-European Language Tree - a picture

Indo-European Professional Online Conference - e-mail "SUBSCRIBE YOURNAME"

Indo-European Roots - some of the Proto-Language roots

Indo-European Texts - comparative materials, and the famous Schleicher's fable written in Proto-IE

Institut für Indogermanistic - the page of Halle University, projects, links and publications in German

John Hutton's Website - also on IE and on theoretical phonology

Journal of Indo-European Studies - online publications

LDC-Online - an online catalogue of comparative Indo-European texts; a good choice of material

Linguistics Research Center - a lot of projects from Texas University

Numerals in Indo-European Dialects - a very professional site devoted to deep analysis of ancient and modern Indo-European numbers

UCLA Program in Indo-European Studies - some materials and links from UCLA
Proto-Indo-European Language - for beginners

Schleicher's Tree and Its Trunk - an interesting article

The Early History of Indo-European Languages - a big and significant article by great Russian linguists Gamkrelidze and Ivanov.

The Ergativic Stage of Early Proto-Indoeuropean - a strong article by Hans-Ioachim Alscher

TITUS - one of the greatest collections of Indo-European on the Web

Web Grammars and Morphology - a good and clear site with many links to grammars of different modern and some ancient languages on the Web

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The Celtic Vedic Connection: Part I

Of all the great ancient cultures perhaps no two share more parallels than those of the Celtic and Vedic peoples. A deep rooted affinity runs between them, what is present in one is mirrored in the other. Myths, Gods, Goddesses, even fairy tales bear a striking similarity in these archaic reflections of one another.

This is the first of two articles introducing the connection between Celtic and Vedic religion, society and folklore. In this and the following article the many similarities between the two cultures will be explored in a comparative context. For easy reading I have separated this article into several categories. These are the Druids & the Brahmins, Gods & Goddesses, Danu in Celtic & Vedic Myth, Places of Worship and Celtic & Vedic Fairies. Each of these topics only skims the suface and future further research will undoubtly reveal much more into the parallels of these two great cultures. It should be stated that for the sake of not complicating matters most of the Celtic references in this article are Irish. Although Celtic religion and culture varied from country to country this has not been discussed as this article is only an introduction to this field. Though it is worth noting that the various Celtic peoples were not a uniform culture.

The Druids & the Brahmins

The easiest of parallels to be drawn between the Celtic and Vedic peoples must be that of the Druids and the Brahmins. The Druids and the Brahmins were both the priests and philosophers of their respective cultures. Both orders of priests were the wise ones of their lands, the seers and teachers, to whom warriors and kings turned for counsel and advice. They were free to wander the lands, as many of India's holy men still do, and, according to Caesar's writings, the Druids were "held with great honour by the people".

However it appears to be a gross simplification to consider the Druids one homogeneous group whose function was only that of priest or philosopher. There may have been three divisions within the Celtic religious order, that of Bard, Vate and Druid. Historical evidence of this is to be found in the writings of Strabo (40 BCE - 25 CE), 'Among all the tribes, generally speaking, there are three classes of men held in special honour: the Bards the Vates and the Druids.' However I have chosen to leave discussion of the three grades for another time as it would detract from the focus of this particular article.

The name 'Druid' is considered by some to have originated the mediterranean and the East. The first syllable of the word 'Druid', according to Pliny the Elder (1 CE), is related to the Greek word for the Oak tree, 'drus'. The root of which is 'dr' and it is to be found in several Aryan languages. The second syllable is thought to have originated from the sanskrit word 'vid', meaning 'knowledge', which is also the root of the term 'Vedas'. If this is accurate then the Druids would have been those who possess the 'knowledge of the Oak tree'. The Oak tree in Celtic myth and legend was closely associated with knowledge and wisdom. In old Irish the term 'Druid' is the plural, referring to more than one of the Celtic holy men, whereas the singular is drui. In order to avoid confusion the term 'Druid' in this article will be used to refer to a single Druid and the term 'Druids' to refer to more than one.

Like the Brahmins, the Druids wore simple clothing. The clothing of the Druids, from what evidence remains, seems to have been a white or undyed hooded robe. It is from the writings of Pliny the Elder that the image of a Druid in his flowing white robes, cutting mistletoe with a golden sickle has now became a popular image of the ancient Druids.

Druid collecting mistletoe

The clothing of the Druids is rather contrasting when compared to some of the clothing, and jewellery, found in the rest of Celtic culture. Often the textiles worn by the Celts were rich in colour and design, in particular their cloaks. The Celts were also avid wearers of golden jewellery and of their jewellery the torque is probably the most recognisable item worn. Virgil gives a classical description of the Celts in writing, "Golden is their hair, and golden their garb. They are resplendent in their striped cloaks, and their milk-white necks are circled with gold." The torque was a neck ornament of nobility, regularly made of gold, worn by males and if we look at the Gundestrup Cauldron it can also be found around the neck of Cernunnos. The Romans during their invasion of Britain were intrigued by these bold and heavy neck displays. So much so that they awarded their soldiers with them in recognition of acts of bravery.

A Celtic Torque

The Druids and their daily activities of bathing in rivers is a mirror image of the Vedic Brahmins, who bathe during the first hours of sun rise in rivers such as the Ganges. Tacitus, a Greek historian, commented on the striking similarity of the bathing Druids to the Brahmins, suggesting they were "so emblematic of the brahmins." Morning bathing in rivers remains a daily activity for the Brahmins, and many Hindus, to this very day.

The Druids and the Brahmins occupied a similar place in the social hierarchy of their cultures. Both formed not only the spiritual elite but also the intellectual caste of society. It was also common for Indian kings (known as 'Rajas') to consult the Brahmins on matters of state, as it was also for Celtic kings (Old Irish - 'Righ'; note the similarity to the Sanskrit) to hold counsel with the Druids. Celtic and Vedic society were hierarchically structured, sharing similar segregated classes of peoples. Celtic culture was a tripartite system based on the three-fold divisions of: the spiritual leaders, the Druids; the ruling/warrior class; and a class of producers which included merchants, hunters and in later periods agricultural producers.

A similar social structure was employed in Vedic society for thousands of years (India has approximately 10, 000 years of continual history during which Vedic direction seems to have been present for the majority of that time). Commonly referred to as the 'caste system', which in recent years western culture has greatly condemned, Vedic culture is distinguished by four social stratas. The Brahmins were the highly respected priestly class; there also existed a regal/military class (the Kshatriyas); merchants and agriculturalist (the Vaishyas); lastly were the labourers or the untouchables (the Shudras). This class (varna) system finds it's sanction in the Rig Veda, book 10, hymn 90:12, and it is also addressed, although less directly, in book 1, 113:6. However there are references to the various castes in other Vedic texts, namely the Yajur Veda and the Artharva Veda. Later in Vedic history, into the period of classical Hinduism, social mobility ceased to exist. It should be noted that in 1947 (CE), Article 17 of the Indian Constitution abolished the practising of untouchability in any form. However many social commentators argue that this has did little to remove the practice.

As with Celtic society Greek historians also commented and noted down their impressions of Vedic society, recorded during the unsuccessful conquest of India by Alexander the Great. Among their observations was the lack of slavery, the equal right to freedom of all people, and that warfare was restricted to the Kshastriyas (warrior class). The overall impression was one of a society with a strong sense of morality and high ethical values.

On matters of state and law parallels can be found between the Vedic system of the Laws of Manu and the old Irish system, the Laws of the Fenechus. Before the Laws of Manu, in early Vedic culture, the Brahmins were not purely a hereditary caste. A child from any caste could be initiated into the Brahmin priesthood to begin their 12 years of training. However this upward social mobility later ceased. Upward social mobility was also possible in Celtic culture as a child picked to be a Druid could be from any of the social division groupings. Caesar tells us that the Druids went through 20 years of training. Though this may have more accurately been 19 years as the Druids may have used a 19 year lunar cycle calendar (the Meton cycle).

The Druids and the Brahmins, probably because of their extensive training, were regarded as being the only ones who could perform certain rites and sacrifices. Diodorus Siculus wrote that the Celts "do not sacrifice or ask favours from the Gods without a Druid present, as they believe sacrifice should be made only by those supposedly skilled in divine communication." The Celts not only held the ritual authority of the Druids in high esteem, the teachings of the Druids were also greatly respected. Men and women, young and old, would ask the Druids to share their wisdom with them on a variety of matters. One teaching that we are certain was prominent in Celtic culture was that of the doctrine of transmigration of souls, the process of death and rebirth. This is known from recorded myths and from the Roman and Greek writings. In the Rig Veda there is no clear reference to reincarnation, yet some verses do suggest it. For example, "For thou at first producest for the holy Gods the noblest of all portions, immortality: Thereafter as a gift to men, O Savitar, thou openest existence, life succeeding life" (book 4, 54:2). It is not until the later Vedic texts, for example the Upanishads, that reincarnation is clearly discussed. Interestingly the term for soul (I use the term soul for reasons of simplicity) in Vedic literature is 'atman', whereas the Celtic term for soul is 'anam'. This similarity in language illustrates a unifiying connecton between the two cultures. However I shall discuss language more fully in the second article.

A difference between the two religious orders that is worth noting is that of the inclusion of women in Druidism and the exclusion of women in Brahminism. For history suggests that while Vedic religion and culture were patriarchal, yet Celtic culture and religion, though not matriarchal, was in no way as male dominated as it's Vedic equivalent. The role of women in Celtic culture and religion seems to have been less constrained and defined, in comparison to Vedic society. Not only were there women Druids but from written accounts it is known that women also fought in battle. Diodorus described Celtic women as being "nearly as big and strong as their husbands and as fierce."

A Druidess

Due to the cessation of the Druids a vast wealth of knowledge and wisdom has been lost. As part of an oral tradition, like the Brahmins of old, nothing was ever wrote down, all myths, laws and teachings were held to memory. Consequently with the death of the Druid order was also the death of their knowledge and wisdom. Now lost to history, perhaps the best approach in attempting to regain their lost secrets is to turn eastwards, to the Brahmins and the seers, to the Druids of India.

Gods & Goddesses

Both Celtic and Vedic cultures were closely entwined around a multifarious pantheon. The Celts had a large pantheon of which about 300 to 400 names are known to us today. Though most of these names appear only once, inscribed on alters or votive objects. Many of these deities were likely to be local forms of pan-Celtic deities. This also stands true for the Vedic pantheon, practically every deity known throughout ancient India had a local name alongside other titles which will have been in more widespread use. Often their function also slightly varied from region to region. It is interesting to note that the Celtic term for the Gods is 'Deuos' and the Vedic term is 'Devas', both terms meaning "Shining Ones".

A Celtic God that is well known today and who was also known throughout the Celtic world is Lugh (also known as Lug, Llue, Llew and Lugus). Lugh was the chief Celtic solar deity, called Lugh Lamfota meaning "Lug of the Long Arm" in Ireland or Lleu Llaw Gyffes "Lleu of the Dextrous Hand" in Wales. In Irish tradition Lugh is also known as Samildánach, "Skilled in All the Arts". The two weapons that Lugh is associated with are the rod-sling and a magickal spear. However the spear, unlike the rod-sling, possessed a life of it's own. Not only was it alive but it was driven by a thirst for blood. A thirst which was so strong that the only way in which it could be controlled was by resting the spear head in crushed poppy leaves. Lugh was the Divine leader of the Tuatha De Danann, after having proved his abilities to the king, Nuada of the Silver Hand.

The Celtic Sun God Lugh

Danu in Celtic & Vedic Myth

One of the most striking comparisons to be found between the Celtic and Vedic pantheon is that of a Goddess named Danu and the myths surrounding her (also known in Celtic traditions as Don, Dana and possibly also Anu or Ana). A Goddess named Danu appears both in Celtic and Vedic mythology. She features heavily in Celtic mythology as the Mother Goddess (and a river Goddess). She is one of the most ancient known of all Celtic Goddesses, from whom the hierarchy of Gods received it's name of Tuatha De Danann, "Folk of the Goddess Danu". Whereas in Vedic mythology the Goddess Danu gives birth to the seven Danvanas, the dark ones of the ocean. Surrounding the Goddess Danu in each culture's mythology is a similar tale of battle, each of which I shall briefly relate now.

In the earliest of Celtic documents there is the battle of Moytur fought between the people of the Goddess Danu and the Fomors. The Fomors being Celtic deities of death, darkness and the sea. They were the offspring of "Chaos and Old Night", their name being derived from two Gaelic words meaning "under sea". The Fomers were born from another Mother Goddess called Domnu whose name seems to have signified the abyss or deep sea. The battle between the Fomors and the Tuatha De Danann began at the end of summer and the beginning of winter, on the eve of Samhain (the Celtic festival of the dead). During the course of the bloody battle many were killed, including many of the chieftains. Of all the Fomors the deadliest was Balor, with his eye that could slay by merely looking upon an individual. However during the later stages of the war Lugh shouted on him and before Balor could look upon Lugh, Lugh had thrown a magickal stone at Balor. the stone struck Balor, forcing his deadly eye out through the back of his head. On falling to the ground the eye then gazed on many of the Fomors, killing them, and turning the tide of the battle toward the Tuatha De Danann. Eventually the Fomors were driven away and the people of Danu were victorious.

A similar struggle between opposing forces is to be found in Vedic mythology. This struggle was between the Adityas, the children of the Goddess Aditi, and the Danavas, the children of the Goddess Danu. The Danavas where the antithesis of all that is symbolised by the earth, the sky and the sun. This myth is referred to throughout the Rig Veda and focuses primarily on the God Indra in his victory over the Danavan God Vrtra. In the Rig Veda Vrtra is described as being a limbless dragon and the source of a great drought. When Indra slays him (Vrtra) with his thunder bolt the seven waters are released. It reads in the Rig Veda (Griffith Translation) "He slew the Dragon, then disclosed the waters, and cleft the channels of the mountain torrents." (Rig I.32.1) In the same hymn it later reads "Then humbled was the strength of Vrtra's mother: Indra hath cast his deadly bolt against her. The mother was above, the son under, and like a cow beside her calf lay Danu." (Rig I.32.9)

Danu in the Vedic myth is bondage and restraint and her son Vrtra is the constrictor. Whereas the Goddess Aditi is the Boundless and the Infinite, and Indra by using his tapas, which is represented by his lightening bolt, becomes the "winner of the light". What is to be found here in an esoteric sense is the cycle of life-giving sacrifice (slaying of Vrtra) and the birth of diversification (realeasing of the waters). It is the macrocosmic struggle between light and dark, order and chaos. While on the microcosmic level it is knowledge over ignorance. In the Celtic myth the Goddess Domnu is regarded as being of "Chaos and Old Night", the abyss, from whence came the Fomors the deities of the dark waters who were conquered by Lug, the Celtic Sun God, and the Tuatha De Danann. Again it is the light conquering the darkness. The two myths are fundamentally the same, both tell of the primordial waters, that undifferentiated state of being before the time of creation, and light emerging in triumph over darkness to allow life to flow. This theme seems to be repeated in a rather abstract creation hymn in the Rig Veda, "Darkness there was: at first concealed in darkness this All was indiscrimated chaos. All that existed then was void and formless: by the great power of Warmth was born that unit" (X.129).

However the Celtic version of the Indra and Vrtra myth is highly anthropomorphic, far more than that of the Vedic version. This is common in myths that have spread from culture to culture over vast time periods. The original myth is often much more abstract than a version of the same myth to be found in another culture hundreds or even thousands of years later. This then suggests that if these are the same myth the Celtic version is secondary to the primary Vedic version. Further suggesting that the strong possiblity exists of Celtic religion have originated out of India. Yet much of the anthropomorphism may be due to a Christian influence which may have, as with much of Celtic myths and literature, altered them accordingly towards their own perceptions, turning Gods into mortal men.

There exists another myth that holds a similarity to Vrtra. This Celtic myth is about a race of Gods before the people of Danu called the Partholons, who also fought with the Fomors. The Partholons fought against a Fomor surnamed Cichol (or Cenchos) the Footless. It is with Cichol that comparisons with Vrtra have been drawn because of them both being of fantastic proportions and having a "Footless and handless" (RG 1, 32:7) serpent/dragon appearance.

Yet what remains unclear in exploring the Danu myths is the Goddess Danu Herself. Between the two myths Danu appears to represent both light and darkness. In the Vedic myth Danu is the mother of darkness, representative of the state of unmanifest being or She may be the mother of the forces of maya. Here Danu is the equivalent of Domnu is the Celtic myth. Whereas in the Celtic version Danu is the opposite, She is the mother of those who symbolise all that is light and lawful, the equivalent of the Vedic Aditi. This confusion surrounding Danu may be the result of migrating Vedic people out of India, travelling westward towards Europe. As with Celtic literature, Vedic literature tells of many disputes between the various peoples of ancient India. Therefore the possibility exists that the contrasting Danus are the result of a dispute between the some of the Vedic groups, or possibly a religious schism within Vedic culture. Some of these groups may have migrated westwards, taking with them their particular version of Vedic religion. Which although may contain some differences, is never-the-less fundamentally identical to the rest of early Vedic religion. Also as trade routes became more widely used cultural (including religious) boundaries became less defined, resulting in a degree of cultural fusion. This also would help to account for the spread of Vedic beliefs and deities, yet at the same time may help explain the Danu dichotomy.

Successful comparisons may also be drawn between Lug and Indra. This is partially made possible by Indra, in addition to his typical associations of rain, thunder and lightning, also having strong solar associations in the Rig Veda. Throughout the Rig Veda there are many hymns to Indra (more than any other God or Goddess) and many of these contain references that associate Indra with the Sun and light. Another parallel between Lug and Indra is that they were both not the original leaders of their respective groups. Lug was given the position of leader of the Tuatha De Danann for thirteen days by Nuada of the Silver Hand. Indra only became the chief of the Vedic Gods and the people's favourite after he had defeated Vrtra. Indra has also been connected with the myth of Tain Bo Cuailgne. Here Indra's symbolic animal representation, the bull, is compared with the Celtic bull of Quelgny. Again what is found is a solar association in both Celtic and Vedic myth.

Contemporary image of Indra

Image source - Mirror of India-

Places of Worship

Some of the most auspicious places of worship for the Celtic and Vedic peoples were rivers. As already mentioned the Celtic Goddess Danu is particularly associated with rivers, she was the "divine waters" falling from heaven. From these waters the great Celtic river, once known as Danuvius, presently known as the Danube, was created. Many rivers in Europe still owe their current name to their associations with the Goddess Danu, such as the Rhone. In both Celtic and Vedic cultures offerings were often placed in rivers and those of the Celts were especially elaborate. The Celts would often offer much of their riches and treasures, sometimes approximately 25% of a tribe's economy would be given to the Gods at any one time.

In the falling of the Danu river we find a parallel to the an India Goddess and the most holy of rivers in India today, the Ganges. In Puranic mythology the Goddess Ganga's fall to earth was broken by the matted locks of Shiva (known as Rudra in the Vedas), who then released her to fall on the earth. The river which is venerated in the Rig Veda is that of the Sarasvati. Like Danu and Ganga, Sarasvati is the name of a Goddess, as well as a river. However the Sarasvati river is thought to have dried up and it is from that time the Ganges has fulfilled her river role.

Sarasvati

Some astounding ancient structures to be found in the Eurpoean lands of the Celts and in India are those of Dolmens. A dolmen is a shallow chamber that is composed of tall vertical upright stones, forming the walls, and a horizontal stone resting across the top to form a roof. Similar to what is found at Stonehenge, though on a much smaller scale. A feature found in some dolmens in both Europe and India is a small single hole in the back of these stone chambers. What the purpose of these small holes is remains unknown, as does the purpose of the dolmens. Though most interpretations link these holes either with birth or death. Most Celtic researchers seem to agree that these structures were created by a Megalithic people prior to Celtic culture, about whom little is known for certain. Is it possible that these Megalithic people had contact with Indian culture long before the Celts and is this why these constructions are to be found in both eastern and western lands?

Stonehenge - A lost Vedic connection? >

Another of the sacred dwellings was that of specific areas of woods and groves. According to Tacitus the "Woods and groves are the sacred depositories; and the spot being consecrated to those pious uses, they give to that sacred recess the name of the divinity that fills the place, which is never profaned by the steps of man. The gloom fills every mind with awe; revered at a distance and never seen but with the eye of contemplation." Similarly there are many Indian tales of Brahmans and holy men who lived in forests of which some were especially sacred spaces (see inf. on the Sleshmantaka Forest in 'The Horned God in India & Europe' article). A selection of Vedic texts written after the four main Samhitas (the Rig, Sama, Yajur and Artharva Vedas) are the Aranyakas, meaning 'forest treatise'. Indicating that these were composed in the reclusive depths of the forests.

Celtic & Vedic Fairies

Celtic stories are well known for their fairy folk, the little people who inhabit trees and hills. Sometimes they were the source of mischief or misfortune, other times the were advantageous and benevolent. The stories tell us that they delight in music and loved to dance. The Celtic fairies (also called Sidhes) often blended in myth with the Gods and like the Gods the fairies knew magick, fought wars and married amongst themselves.

In Vedic culture fairies are called yaksas. This is the collective name of the mysterious little Godlings or sprites that inhabit the fields, forests and jungles. Like Celtic fairies the yaksas could be either beneficent or malignant. They were offered propitiation which was meant to keep them in good relations with the village folk. The yaksas seem to have been vegetal Godlings of Indian rural communities, stretching as far back as pre-Vedic times. Although they were rather ignored in the scriptures there are references to them in the Artharva Veda. The yaksas are asked to give freedom from distress (book 11, 6:10) and they are also spoke of in a passage about creation (book 10, 7:38). The yaksas are also referred to in the Artharva Veda as 'itarajanah', meaning the 'other folk'. At some time these Indian fairy folk must have been widespread in Vedic folklore, evident from their spread into Jain and Buddhist mythology. However much folklore has been lost on the yaksas, either it has been absorbed into sectarian deities or suppressed in later Vedic times. Yet some yaksas remain represented in shrines throughout India, an example of which is the yaksas Purnabhadra near Campa, which is described in the Aupaptika Sutra. Situated in a grove underneath an asoka tree is a black, octagonal altar. Carved into the side of this altar were figures of men, bulls, horses, birds, wolves and snakes, perhaps illustrating some myth or legend.

Supposedly the favourite of the yaksas' locations is in a rural village's sacred tree. Here they would be safe from harms way and it was believed that having the yaksas there was prosperous for the village. Offerings and tiny gifts would be laid at the trunk of the tree, while flower garlands would be hung from the branches. There was also a fertility association with the yaksas in the sacred tree. As were there also associations of treasure buried at the tree roots, again like some of the Celtic fairies.

In the next article on the Celtic Vedic connection other areas, such as ways of worship, language, and cosmology, will be explored.

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Paper II: Irish and Hindi: linguistic Connections
[1] Gaelic and Hindi
Irish is perforce the most westerly and Hindi the most easterly of the Indo-European languages of today. One might imagine that, perhaps five thousand years after the split between the western and eastern halves of the great Indo-European family, when the forebears of the Gael and the Hindu went their separate ways, not much would be left to bind them culturally or linguistically.

For example, as the Celtic and Germanic languages differentiated, tribes of one subgroup remained near those of the other (please see Paper I on this website). One may expect that this influenced the process of linguistic differentiation. No such environment attended the development of the Celtic and Hindu peoples.

The early Celts themselves split into the q-Celts (the Irish and Scots and Manx - who could not say ‘p’) and p-Celts (Britons and Bretons - who could not say ‘q’). Indeed, the Gael at first pronounced the Saint’s name ‘Patricius’ as ‘Quotricious’. Indo-Iranian splintered into Sanskrit, which gave Hindustani and Bengali, and Zend, which gave Persian. Given the historic pre-eminence of the Vedic Arians who had come to India, Hindi was introduced as a culturally pure language, based on Hindustani and Sanskrit, some 150 years ago.

The Sanskrit raj, Latin rex and Celtic rix all mean king: they derive from an earlier proto-Indo-European word of the same meaning. The significance of kingship varied in Indian, Roman and Celtic societies, according to the social practices which developed. Up to the period of Indian colonisation, the experiences of the two peoples were altogether different and all possibilities of interaction had remained fairly remote.

[II] The Point of Separation between the those going east and those going west
Certain evidence supports the postulation of a major separation in the Indo-European family, in the region of the Caucasus, following migration from between the Tigris and the Euphrates. It has been suggested that the place, where the split to east and west occurred, cannot be identified with any certainty. The restricted possibilities for comparing linguistic roots for flora and fauna in Sanskrit and in western languages have not led anywhere.

The Celts are said to have come originally from Scythia, which lay just west of the northern reaches of the Caucasus mountains and north of the Black Sea. Gaelic mythology, a form of oral history, would support this.

Races with Indo-European origins are sometimes called Aryans. This term, from the Sanskrit 'ārya' (of noble birth), most accurately applies to peoples who speak Iranian and Indic languages.

In any event, groups of Aryan stock may have proceeded northwards between the Black Sea and the Caspian Sea. Those who maintained this general direction came to be called Slavonic. When permitted by the topography, others went east to Persia and India whilst a third group went west to Scythia to become Proto-Celts and, in a later split, early Celtic and Proto-Germanic people.

In the case of ancient Gaelic culture, important clans (or tribes) were accompanied by other clans, which had specific occupations, such as law and medicine. In accordance with such norms of tribal society aboriginal tribes may occasionally have allied themselves, for one purpose or another, with the migrating and culturally advanced Aryans.

A tribe called the Sami, in the North of Finland, may be the last true European tribe. In India, tribal people and descendents of the lower castes maintain some separation from the descendents of the Vedic Aryans and their accompanying tribes.

[III] Mahatma Ghandi
A great indication of the long-lost comradeship between Celt and Hindu came in the modern day when Mahatma Ghandi could say that he took inspiration in bringing about Indian independence from the struggles of the Irish people. At the time, the British Empire was spread across the globe. Our country, of insignificant proportions, had caught the special interest of this great and spiritual leader.

[IV] Keeping the Gaelic and Hindu Heritage
Although for a long time far apart on the basis of geological longitude and latitude, both Gael and Hindu nonetheless did maintain their fundamental characteristics of race. This meant that, whatever happened to them, careful comparison of these would still reflect their common ancient history.

The Hindu today occupy the Subcontinent of India. The Gaelic homeland is called the Gaeltacht (formerly written as Gaedhealtacht). Today this territory extends only to seven small areas in Ireland and occupies (by legal definition) some 9.9% of the country. The historic Gaeltacht covered all of Ireland, Scotland and the Isle of Man, in a loose political federation with close cultural ties. What is left of the Scots Gàidhealdacht has no legal standing and ranges through the northern Highlands and Islands of that country. The language of the Isle of Man was a dialect of Irish and is no longer spoken.

The construction of deep, rich cultures marked both India and the historic Gaeltacht. The guiding principle of philosophy and religion nurtured this, in all levels of society, not merely in the ruling castes. The ancients, observing nature and drawing from its lessons, wove the mythologies with skill and in such manner as to give guidance and true meaning to the lives of the generations to come. The sagas of the Gaelic and Hindu gods are outstanding and compelling narratives.

Both cultures pioneered the use of uniform script in their respective regions. The Irish drew upon the Roman, Greek and Arabic alphabets. India developed it’s own script, the great beauty of which reflects the importance given to the written word. Scholarly literature in Sanskrit and Old Irish shows the extent of social and intellectual development achieved.

- Mythological Links
Hindu, Celtic, Teutonic and Greek mythologies contain the same conceptual groundwork. Like Vedic Brahmans, Celtic, Norse and Latin poets imagined the sky, sun, moon, earth, mountains, forests, seas and underworld to be ruled by beings like their own temporal chiefs but more powerful. In each culture, the powers of nature are personified and given human form.

Perhaps the best developed in Western Europe, Gaelic mythology has retained or developed stories which refer to the eastern family. The first Irishman was a Scythian king called Fenius Farsa. He was overthrown and fled to Egypt. His son, Niul, married the Pharaoh’s daughter Scota (i.e. the scythian's wife): she had a son called Goidel, after whom the Gael (formerly written as Gaedheal) are called. In the fifth century BC, Egypt was part of a Persian Aryan empire, which stretched as far east as the Punjab (Celtic Myths and Legends by Charles Squire - Parragon (2000)).

There is the use of art elements like the sun symbol of Brigid, a Celtic Goddess of Fertility and other attributes. Nowadays, this swastika has come to have Christian significance in Ireland - as St Brigid’s Cross. In India, this author has seen reports of a corresponding sun-symbol being used in a rural marriage ceremony, not far from Delhi. An association may exist with the Sanskrit Brhaspati. Other common elements of pre-historic art may be found today in the ethnic jewellery of the two countries.

Medb is one of the Celtic goddesses of Dawn and Dusk. Heinrich Zimmer and Kuno Meyer both thought this name to have been carried by an historical queen of Connacht. That is probably true but does not mean that she did not don the mantle of a legendary figure, as great leaders are sometimes wont to do. The name has been related to the Sanskrit madhu (‘honey’or ‘sweet drink’). In India madhu is also one of the Daityas, a clan of demons.

Indian mythology includes tales of humans taking on animal forms. In parallel, one of the Three Sorrowful Tales of Erin tells the Fate of the Children of Tuireann. There was enmity between Cian, the father of Lug, and the three sons of Tuireann. As he prepared for the battle of Mag Tuired, he saw them approach and, outnumbered, he changed his shape into a pig. However, Brian changed his brothers Iuchair and Iucharba into hounds, attacked and speared it.

Cian requested to be returned to human form before he died. He was then slain and an éiric (blood fine) was placed upon the brothers. This involved obtained the ‘spear of Assal’, the spear of the King of Persia, amongst several other tasks.

Briciu Nemthenga (Briciu of the Evil Tongue) has been compared with Loki, a mischief-maker of the Germanic pantheon of gods. The story of the Feast of Briciu tells of the ‘Champion’s Covenant’ - the wager with the Bachlach (giant). He had wandered through Alba, Europe, Africa and Asia, in search of Honour by making clever wagers {A Guide to Irish Mythology by Daragh Smyth - Irish Academic Press (1998)}. It may be considered that the ancients did, indeed, travel quite widely.

- Musical Links
In music in both India and Ireland, the use of memorised patterns continues today.

In the case of Irish sean-nós singing, songs are composed to tell tales of long ago and committed to memory. This form of music is very old and, elsewhere in Europe, would appear only to persist in isolated parts of Sicily. If not deriving from North Africa directly, the art form may share a common origin with Arabic music in the Middle East.

Hindu singing (another form of chant) is of religious significance. Lord Caitanya Mahāprabhu practised Kīrtana, teaching that the Hindu chants the name of the Lord Krishna, in the perspective that the name of the Lord and the Lord are not different. Fixing his mind on the Supreme Lord, he can attain Krishna consciousness (Bhagavad-Gītā as it is by His Divine Grace AC Bhaktivedanta Swami Prabhupāda). By carrying his meditation into daily life, he becomes a properly disciplined and focussed person.

Sitar music is not written but is composed as the musician plays. He will need to study the instrument intensively for twenty years to gain a sufficient mastery. The sitar may have come to India in the 13th century from Iran (seh – three, tar – string - as in guitar). The instrument was modified to cope with the idiom of even more ancient Indian music.

- The legal Systems
Prior to being invaded and conquered by the English, both countries had well developed legal systems and relatively stable government. Ireland operated a modified democracy under the Brehon Laws (A Guide to early Irish Law, Fergus O’Kelly - Dublin Institute for Advanced Studies, 2001). These were advanced in concept and gave a strong legal position to women. They were expressed in Celtic idiom.

The Brehon Laws were expressed in an idiom which suited the social strucures of the day. To read them without this understanding, as has been done, can lead to misunderstanding and sometimes to misplaced criticism. In a similar way the history of the Gael, as provided by mythology, has been cristicised as being inaccurate especially when it comes to dates recorded and to the existence of more than one version of an episode. Again, this criticsim is as unfortunate as that which decries the Christian Bible, because of scientific inaccuracies in it.

It must be understood that the ancients knew their craft. They were composing stories which they knew would be told and retold, for thousands of years. These storytellers wanted to record the essential facors and principles of change. The way in which they did this reflects both their high minds and intellectual capacities.

The Brehon form can be compared with that of the legal system in Asia, devised by Genghis Khan, leader of the largest land empire ever won. It has been suggested that the ‘blush fine’ was an import from the Far East. Of course, the name Genghis Khan (‘Lord Genghis’) contains the Celtic ‘ceann’, which underscores a Celtic connection (A Pocket History of Gaelic Culture by Alan Titley – The O’Brien Press Ltd (2000)).

- Enduring linguistic Connections
We can perhaps now begin to wonder whether Ireland and the Subcontinent might be somewhat closer to their common origins than we might have expected. A comparison between Irish and Hindi - looking at basic structure, phraseology and vocabulary - will provide some evidence of the enduring connections.

An important question is whether, to blur these connections, there was ever a period of cultural and linguistic decay such that, to cover lost linguistic elements, an extensive innovation followed. This did not happen with the Irish language, which today remains the dialect closest to ancient Celtic, once spoken across temporate Europe. The purity of Hindi is evident by its comparison with Sanskrit, the language of the Veda, the four books of Hindu Sacred Scripture. (The word 'vēda' means 'written knowledge'.)

In the practical task of comparing modern Hindi and Irish, prefixes and suffixes can tend to occlude the identification of root syllables. The final syllables of Indo-European words are inflected (to show case and tense) and are generally not useful for tracing connections.

Romanised script is used throughout this present paper. The Romanised system used for Hindi is not fully sensitive to the requirements of Hindi phonology.

-Basic Structure
Grammatical features in a language are not matters of everyday discussion. Many people will not have studied languages other than those of Aryan origin or those derived from this. Therefore, simple examples in Chinese (pinyin script) will be provided. This is in order to show that linguistic constructions can come about, which are completely unfamiliar, and that therefore any common usage in Irish and Hindi is not by chance but represents long-preserved connections.

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SAVE TARA demo tomorrow 5.00pm - 8 Merrion Sq Dublin
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PRESS RELEASE

TARAWATCH. org

3 June 2008

'Launch of Tara UNESCO Petition at ICOMOS Ireland AGM Tomorrow'

TaraWatch will launch a UNESCO petition tomorrow at a demonstration outside the AGM of the Irish branch of the International Council on Monuments and Sites (ICOMOS), calling on ICOMOS and UNESCO to designate Tara a World Heritage site, but to insist that the M3 is rerouted first.



The demonstration will begin at 5.00pm, outside the offices of the Royal Institute of Architects of Ireland, at 8 Merrion Square, Dublin 2.



The Minister for the Environment, John Gormley, said in a department press release, 11 April 2008, that he did not see M3 motorway preventing the Hill of Tara from being nominated as a world heritage site. He said his department had engaged Dr Jukka Jokilehto, a member of ICOMOS to visit Tara and issue a report on it.



ICOMOS is an international non-governmental organization of professionals, dedicated to the conservation of the world’s historic monuments and sites.



Laura Grealish of TaraWatch said:

"TaraWatch supports the nomination of the Hill of Tara archaeological complex and natural landscape to the UNESCO List of World Heritage Sites, but is opposed to the construction of the M3 motorway through the Tara-Skryne valley.



"We call on UNESCO and ICOMOS to support the nomination of the Hill of Tara to the World Heritage list, but to insist that the M3 be rerouted first.



"Allowing the M3 to proceed would destroy the integrity of the site, and be a breach of the World Heritage Convention, which Ireland signed in 1992.



"The Minister for the Environment has the power to reroute the M3 motorway, away from Tara. We allege that his failure to do so amounts to a breach of international law.



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For more information see:

Minister Gormley's press release
http://www. environ. ie/en/Heritag...

ICOMOS Ireland
http://www. icomos. ie

ICOMOS International
http://www. icomos. org

UNESCO World Heritage centre:
http://whc. unesco. org/

TaraWatch
http://www. tarawatch. org / info@tarawatch.org

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SAVE TARA - Petition to UNESCO and ICOMOSpetition text signatures email friends

The petition

PETITION TO UNESCO AND ICOMOS to save the Hill of Tara archaeological complex and cultural landscape from construction of the M3 motorway, in Ireland.

THIS PETITION is addressed to:

The United Nations Educational, Scientific and Cultural Organisation (UNESCO), which includes:

- The Director-General, Koïchiro Matsuura
- The Executive Committee of the General Conference
- The Intergovernmental Committee for the Protection of the World Cultural and Natural Heritage, called the World eritage Committee
- All parties in attendance at the 32nd Session of the World Heritage Committee, Quebec, Canada, 2-10 July 2008.
- The Irish UNESCO Representatives

AND

The International Council on Monuments and Sites (ICOMOS), which includes:

- ICOMOS International
- ICOMOS Ireland
- All other national ICOMOS bodies, such as ICOMOS Canada, UK, US, Australia, Norway, and Aotearoa/New Zealand
- All parties in attendance at the ICOMOS Ireland AGM, Dublin, 4 June 2008
- All parties in attendance at the Sixth World Archaeological Congress, University College Dublin, 29th June to 4th July 2008

WHOSE JURISDICTIONS have been jointly invoked in this matter of great national and international importance by the Minister for the Environment, Heritage and Local overnment, of the Republic of Ireland, John Gormley, on 11 May, 2008, in his address at the launch of the legal incorporation and charitable status designation of ICOMOS Ireland. He announced that he had retained an ICOMOS member, Dr Jukka Jokilehto to visit the sites currently on Ireland’s tentative list, as well as the Hill of Tara. Minister Gormley concluded:

- Hill of Tara National Monument has strong merit for inclusion in an application to UNESCO for consideration as a World Heritage Site and that he did "... not see the proposed new road (the M3 motorway) as being an obstacle to making this recommendation."

I EARNESTLY AND RESPECTFULLY PLEAD THAT:

I. The Hill of Tara archaeological complex / cultural and natural landscape, in it's entirety, be inscribed onto the UNESCO List of World Heritage sites.

BUT ONLY on condition that:

II. The proposed M3 motorway, currently under construction, is re-routed beyond Tara, before the site is given World Heritage Site status, because he M3 is destroying the integrity of the site and landscape.

I MAKE THIS PETITION FOR THE FOLLOWING REASONS:

- UNESCO adopted the Convention Concerning the Protection of the World Cultural and Natural Heritage in 1972. Ireland ratified the Convention in 1991. The Convention has as its goal the identification and protection of cultural and national heritage of "outstanding universal value".

- The Hill of Tara complex qualifies as a natural and cultural landscape of outstanding universal value, due to it's unique cultural significance, and the extent of the surviving remains. Tara covers a much larger area than that the 100 acres of State-owned land on the summit of the Hill, which currently delimits the 'national monument'. The M3 passes through the middle of the area to be protected.

- The entire Tara archaeological complex and cultural/natural landscape should be declared a World Heritage site. Expert bodies, such as the Heritage Council, have recognised Tara consists of the entire Hill of Tara along with the Tara / Skryne valley, as well as the defensive forts that encircle the hill, including national monuments such as the defensive forts of Rath Lugh (to the east), Rath Miles (to the north) and Ringlestown Rath (to the west).

- Ireland has been in breach of the Convention since 1991, by failing to nominate the Hill of Tara to be a World Heritage site, until after the M3 motorway was approved. Article 3 of the Convention states:

"It is for each State Party to this Convention to identify and delineate the different properties situated on its territory".

A recent UN report on Ireland's implementation of the Convention found that "Inventories, established at national and local levels, have not been used as a basis for selecting World Heritage sites".

This has resulted in the contradictory approach being taken by the Irish Government, which is on one hand facilitating destruction of significant parts of the Tara complex, and on the other, seeking International legal protection for those same parts.

- The Minister for the Environment, has breached his responsibilities under the Convention by initiating the inscription process of making Tara a World Heritage site, while at the same time, failing in his legal duty adequately protect the Tara complex from the immient threat of the M3 motorway. John Gormley, said in a department press release, 11 April 2008, that he did not see M3 motorway preventing the Hill of Tara from being nominated as a world heritage site. He said his department had engaged Dr Jukka Jokilehto, a member of ICOMOS to visit Tara and issue a report on it. It is these statements and actions, as well as other failures to act, that have invoked the jurisdiction of international law.

- ICOMOS is an international non-governmental organization of professionals, dedicated to the conservation of the world's historic monuments and sites, and is an official Advisory Body to UNESCO, for purposes of implementing the World Heritage Convention. Both UNESCO and ICOMOS would also be in breach of the Convention by accepting the Minister's nomination of the Tara archaeological complex and cultural/natural landscape, without insisting that the M3 motorway is rerouted, while it still can be.

- National survey's have shown that 70% of Irish people want the M3 rerouted and an Irish Times online survey showed that 82% of people want Tara declared a UNESCO site.

- The World Monuments Fund have placed the Hill of Tara on the 2008 List of 100 Most Endangered Sites.

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Italy - India: where the twain meet?

Sleuthing Italy - India links

On the face of it, I'd never have imagined that the culture of the boot-shaped Italian peninsula has much in common with the Indian sub-continent, yet as I study further, I realize that there exist amazing similarities and links suggesting an exchange of culture and beliefs of a proportion that most of us are unaware of.

Geographically, the two countries Italy and India, have a similarity in being protected to the north by a range of mountains, the Alps for Italy and the Himalayas for India. Then again, one common factor is that both countries are a seat of a major world religion, Christianity for Italy (Rome) and Hinduism for India.

But there is much in common that lies beyond this more obvious likeness, for which we must turn the pages of history.

Politically, ancient Italy was the headquarters of the Roman empire, a kingdom that spread across Europe and the west-Asian land mass, to border the Indian empire of the time. Naturally then, there existed interaction between these two greats, which led to appreciation and assimilation of each others culture. The empire to the west of the Indus, or in this case the Roman empire (which followed the Persian and Greek empires) constituted the West of the world, which was also India's immediate neighbor.

Architecture

The two empires had established land and sea links that facilitated communication and commercial exchange. The most apparent signs of influence are the more obvious ones, in this case, being the buildings - the replication of architectural designs in distant lands. The foremost of these is the Stupa hemi-spherical design that was first used outside the Indian sub-continent land mass in Sri Lanka, in the centuries between 300 BC to 400AD. The inter-locking dome of the Stupa became the prototype for the domes built by the Romans and also in the Byzantine empire, influences of which are found throughout Italian art and culture.

Believed to be a sacred design, the dome is said to have originated from primitive architecture which involved the construction of a thatched or animal skin circular roof for shelter. This shelter or home was inhabited by generations and hence also came to represent ones ancestors. In communities where ancestors are worshipped as Gods, the circular designed homes eventually come to be seen as the earthly abodes of their Gods. Thanks to the Roman invention of concrete, the construction of the dome was improved and became capable of spanning enormous spaces. Roman buildings such as the Pantheon (AD 120-127) and the Baths of Caracalla (AD 212-16) are domed structures of an unprecedented scale.

The perfect geometry of this circular structure also symbolized order and harmony; its lack of beginnings and ends, corners and ridges, suggested continuity. When raised to a great height and enclosing a vast space underneath, the outer dome became a prestige symbol (such as St. Peter's Basilica in Rome) and the inner dome became a representation of inclusion and unity for it had the capacity to seat many at public gatherings. No wonder then that the dome was deemed appropriate architecture for religious and civic buildings. Buildings based on Roman architecture stand today throughout the world, however not many are aware that the architecture originated from simple designs in India. Melting pots of art & culture / Commercial ties

Both Italy and India have the privilege of being nations whose past glory has shaped the cultural and social development of the vast regions, if not the whole world. In fact, both countries have to thank the confluence of people from all over at the seat of the Roman and Indian empires for the eclectic art and cultural mix they have adopted as their own.
Just as Italian art is a derivation of antique art, blended with Byzantine and then Gothic influences, Indian culture is largely a medley of art forms brought to it by civilizations lying beyond the Indian peninsular.

As the northern Indian state of Kashmir was by far the easiest to access by artists traveling the land route, it is not surprising that Roman artists who could be found especially during the reign of King Lalitaditya (AD 925-56), were influenced by the prevalent eclectic Kashmiri artistic traditions, imbibing Gupta Indian, the Gandharan, the Central Asian, the Iranian and the Byzantine styles.

These artisans served to carry forth designs to their native lands, designs which may be seen on objects de art created for Italian noblemen. A vase excavated by archaeologists in Italy shows Vali and Sugreeva - two monkey chiefs disputing over a woman Tara whom both claim as wife. Being monkeys they are undressed. It is believed that this is one of the many Indian Ramayanic (an epic) scenes found sketched on Italian art. A Ramayanic episode found painted in ancient Italian homes shows Lav and Kusha driving away a captured royal sacrificial horse belonging to their father Rama. Interestingly, the founding of Rome is ascribed to brothers Remus and Ramulus - again believed to be later-day derivations of the Hindu name Rama.

Further, manifestations of trading exchange between Italy and India lie in the Roman coins that have been excavated in peninsular India. Indian fabrics are thought to have been craved by Roman nobility. So much so, that at one point, so much gold was leaving Rome for India that the Roman economy was seriously weakened.

According to I.K.K. Menon, "there is evidence of a temple of Augustus near Muziris (Cranganore, Kerala) and a force of 1200 Roman soldiers stationed in the town for the protection of Roman commerce." The trade was so valuable that it had to be protected!

Religion

During the early days of the Roman empire, its rulers worshipped the God Mithras. Known throughout Europe and Asia by the names Mithra, Mitra, Meitros, Mihr, Mehr, and Meher, it is believed that the veneration of this God began some 4000 years ago in Persia, where it was soon merged with Babylonian doctrines.

Until the reign of Constantine, Christianity was largely not accepted and Mithraism, along with the worship of other Gods was the norm. Like the Greeks, the Romans made conscious efforts to understand the religions of India by trying to fit them as far as possible into Greco-Roman categories. To make things easier and more familiar, deities were referred to in Greek terms or names. Thus Shiva, was identified as "Dionysos," Krsna (or perhaps Indra) as "Heracles." The great Indian epics were compared to those of Homer.

What needs to be underlined is that the Romans assimilated other faiths and beliefs, possibly for their own benefit and lasting reign. The building known as the Pantheon, designed and erected by Hadrian and considered the greatest of all Roman temples, was dedicated to "all the gods".

This may be substantiated by pictures that have been found that show a Roman consul wearing the Hindu forehead mark, 'V', called tilak and worn on the forehead to represent that one is a Vaishnava, a worshiper of Lord Krishna or Vishnu.

Nuggets of ancient Vedic culture image that suggests the worship of the Vedic Lord Shiva are also to be found in modern Italy. On a public fountain in Bologna stands a figure said to be the Roman God Neptune. A trident on this statue of Neptune, along with the hoods of two snakes coiled around his neck on each of his shoulders, are so typical of the Indian God Shiva, whose emblem was the trident and who is also adorned with serpents around his neck and arms. This proposes the adoption of a belief from a distant land, India, even though it was re-named for the masses of the Roman empire.

Images resembling Ganesh, Shiva, Rama and Krishna have been found in many archeological excavations throughout Italy, although not publicized by Christians. Belgium's historian Konraad Elst also remarks "that many early Christian saints, such as Hippolytus of Rome, possessed an intimate knowledge of Brahmanism."

The road for religious assimilation was open both ways. The Indian civilization is known for its capacity to absorb alien ideas and beliefs and give birth to still new ideologies. In a land that already had a pantheon of gods and goddesses, Christianity, or the Roman Catholic Church as it came to be recognized, was accepted by the masses initially not so much as an alternate faith, but its icons, Jesus and Mary, became two more gods worthy of worship.

Slowly though, the number of Catholics in India has risen so drastically that now outside Italy, it is held as a country having one of the largest congregations of Catholics worldwide.

There is often more to cultural and ideological crossover that meets the eye. Consider this: the Brahmin (highest/priestly) caste of the Hindus are said to be "twice-born" and have a ritual in which they are "born in the spirit." Could this be the ultimate source of the Christian "born again" concept (John 3:3)?
Probably, we will never know…

Roman Baths

The infamous Roman Baths have a precedent in only one other region in the world - the ancient Indus civilization - where building techniques for bathrooms and large basins existed that possibly served as community bathing areas. This ancient design was replicated and surpassed in finesse by the Roman baths, built 2500 years later. The Roman penchant to spend time in the baths (thermae) is well known and led to the construction of the largest of them all, the Diocletian, completed in AD 305 which covered an area of 130,000 sq. yards.

Modern days

Backtracking to the modern day, inspite of the heritage of ancient civilizations that is common to both Italy and India, the countries are relatively young states. Italy was reunified only in 1861 and India acquired freedom from the British in 1947.
Having been literally born or should I say re-born in this modern age, both nations see a democratic framework as the ideal model to ensure the protection of the freedom and rights of all its citizens.

Even though one major difference between these nations is their current state of development, bilateral trade should be encouraged. The emphasis, should possibly be on industries where design plays an all-paramount role, such as automobile, fashion, interiors and jewellery, to name a few. Italy has reached the pinnacle of development in these industries, perhaps because design is written in all facets of Italian lifestyle. An emphasis on form and therefore craft is apparent in Italian food, fashion and architecture, to name a few. In contrast, India is still on the road to developing its talents in the three former industries, but could contribute to the Italian industry with its incredible aptitude in traditional jewellery.

The epitome of crossover culture: Sonia Gandhi

As I look around India, it is impossible not to think of the epitome of crossover culture, Sonia Gandhi, widow of the slain Prime Minister Rajiv Gandhi, grandson to former Prime Minister Jawaharlal Nehru and son to former Prime Minister Indira Gandhi. Born Antonia Maino in Ovassanjo near Torino, she heads India's leading secular political Congress Party and holds a much-respected position within the cadres of Congress workers. She met her husband Rajiv Gandhi when they were both studying at Cambridge in the 1960s. They married in 1968 and settled down in India. After his assassination in 1991, she became reclusive insofar as politics is concerned, however, six years later, after politicians convinced her to join the Congress party, she returned to active public life. Having lived in India 40 years now and holding herself to be an Indian, one can only hope that Sonia uses her political position to encourage Indian relations with her country of origin to mutual benefit.

References:

For archaeological excavations in Italy, see
http://www.stephen-knapp.com/art_photo_seven.htm and
http://www.stephen-knapp.com/art_photo_twentytwo.htm

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The synbology used to structure world religions is easily traced back to very early Egyptian-Nubian concepts. On the other hand, they told us that their symbology and related dualistic wisdom and spirituality came from those who lived during an earlier period which they called Zep Tepi,, hence Thoth (Tehuti).

A prime example is the well-known word and concept of Karma, aka Ka-Maat. Notice the perfect linguistic match as well as the perfect conceptual match?

Ka meaning one's spiritual nature based upon accumulated deeds during your lifetime (http://homepage.mac.com/sevenstarhand/Vatican_Evil_Illuminated/image_galleries/egypt_nubia_etc/egypt_nubia_etc-Pages/Image5.html) and Maat being both the principles of Truth and Justice as the basis for universal balance and order (http://homepage.mac.com/sevenstarhand/Vatican_Evil_Illuminated/image_galleries/egypt_nubia_etc/egypt_nubia_etc-Pages/Image6.html) and She - (of the Feminine nature...) - symbolically personified Truth, Justice, Compassion, etc. (http://homepage.mac.com/sevenstarhand/Vatican_Evil_Illuminated/twospirits.html)

Hence both Karma and Ka-Maat mean spiritual truth and justice as the basis for universal balance and order. Now look around at this world, built by money, religion, and politics, to see the blatantly obvious results of the lack of truth and justice as the unequivocal guiding principles of both personal and collective deeds and results. Good karma comes from truth, justice, wisdom, etc. Bad karma comes from greed, lies, injustice, etc.

Clear enough?

Read these series of articles for more insight. (http://vatican-evil-illuminated.blogspot.com/)

and

Here is comprehensive proof that the symbolism of many ancient texts, canons, and concepts is an advanced and extremely ancient spiritual & philosophical technology that predates all extant religions and mystery schools. Consequently, here is proof, beyond disproof, that all three so-called "Faiths of Abraham" are purposeful deceptions. (http://twocandlesticks.blogspot.com/)

Peace Now !!!

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Nice post 7star, thanks for the links your blog looks very nice.

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http://www.hindu.com/2007/06/04/stories/2007060414170100.htm

Telugu words found in Hebrew literature

W. Chandrakanth

A 1794 BC stone tablet established that the Sumerian-Assyrian culture had its roots in Andhra Pradesh

Samyuktha Koonaiah


CHENNAI: In a path-breaking revelation, a young research scholar of Potti Sriramulu Telugu University has come out with recorded evidence linking Telugus and Israelis on the basis of Telugu words found in Hebrew literature.

The disclosure was made by Samyuktha Koonaiah in her presentation at a seminar on `Telugu History and Culture' on the concluding day of the three-day All India Telugu Conference here on Sunday. She quoted epigraphic evidence traced from Bahrain in support of her argument.

Ms. Samyuktha, who is doing her research on `Andhra Pradesh - The missing link - Tilmun language and Telugu', said a 1794 BC stone tablet established that the Sumerian-Assyrian culture had its roots in Andhra Pradesh.

Interesting revelations


In fact, an article titled `The Seafaring Merchants of Ur' published in the American Oriental Society in1954 by A. L. Oppenheim contains several Telugu words to prove that Abraham migrated from the `land of darkness', the `Andhaka Desa' as the Andhra region was known in the past, she said.

Research findings suggest that `Barbar' or `Barbaras', a native tribe living in the south of the Vindhyas was a common name in Assyrian culture. An earliest instance of calling children `Bullutu' was similar to that of the Telugu usage Bulli, Bullodu etc, she said. Another `provincial spelling' in Telmun literature and references to Sumero-Akkadian vocabularies contain this sentence `ni imta ha-is' similar to that of `nee intiki vachchi' (come to my home).

Letter on tablet


A stone tablet also contained a letter from a seafarer to a local trader demanding to know why he did not sell a particular commodity at a price agreed upon and why it was not weighed properly too.

Old Babylonian legal documents which were unearthed by archaeologists contain evidence of this letter belonging to one member of the Guild of Dilmun, Ea-Nasir. One of its lines when pronounced in Telugu becomes "ayya adhi annakimmani, tusi (tuchi) immani, maaki antundhi" (something to the effect `I have asked you to give it to my brother after weighing'. It was a deal about copper ingots.

Telling proof


Quoting several such examples Ms. Samyuktha said there was sufficient proof to link those Sumerian cultures with the Telugus. Hebrew, Sumerian and Assyrian records abound in such descriptions and suggest that the present Israelis belonged to Andhra Pradesh.

Ms. Samyuktha argues that Kamakur village in Balayapalli mandal of Nellore district still has 21 Jewish families. Only they are not even aware that they are Jews. She is one among them and her first name Kooniah could be found in Hebrew as Koni, she says.


http://sivasakti.com/articles/intro-yantra.html

The Tiangle (TRIKONA)

The triangle (TRIKONA) is the symbol of SHAKTI, the feminine energy or aspect of Creation. The triangle pointing down represents the YONI, the feminine sexual organ and the symbol of the supreme source of the Universe, and when the triangle is pointing upwards it signifies intense spiritual aspiration, the sublimation of one's nature into the most subtle planes and the element of fire (AGNI TATTVA). The fire is always oriented upwards, thus the correlation with the upward triangle - SHIVA KONA. On the other hand, the downward pointing triangle signifies the element of water which always tends to flown and occupy the lowest possible position. This triangle is known as SHAKTI KONA.

The intersection of two geometric forms (lines, triangles, circles, etc.) represents forces that are even more intense than those generated by the simple forms. Such an interpenetration indicates a high level in the dynamic interaction of the correspondent energies. The empty spaces generated by such combinations are described as very efficient operational fields of the forces emanating from the centeral point of the YANTRA. That is why we can very often encounter representations of MANTRAS in such spaces. YANTRA and MANTRA are complementary aspects of SHIVA and their use together is much more efficient than the use of one alone.


The Six Points Star (SHATKONA)

A typical combination often found in the graphical structure of a YANTRA is the superposition of two triangles, one pointing upwards and the other downwards, forming a star with six points (SHATKONA), also known as David's Star. This form symbolically represents the union of PURUSHA and PRAKRITI or SHIVA-SHAKTI, without which there could be no Creation.

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http://www.vnn.org/editorials/ET0307/ET18-8227.html

Jews: A Branch Of The Vedic Family

BY PARAMA KARUNA DEVI

EDITORIAL, Jul 18 (VNN) — "From the results of my research, I can affirm that M. Samar Abbas' thesis is wrong. Actually, the facts are exactly the opposite.

It's the Jews who descended from the Vedic family, and not the other way around. The son cannot generate the father."

Dear friends, Namaste! I have read with much interest the article on connections between Jews and Vedic Brahmins.

I would like to add a small contribution to the issue.

According to my research, most of the "Hebrew" traditions and linguistic features, especially those mentioned by the article, had been absorbed from the Egyptian society and knowledge, which had directly come from Vedic settlers in ancient times.

Before moving to Egypt, Jews had a civilization and language (and religion) descending from their Sumerian origins (Ur, too, had an early settlement of Vedic knoweldge). During and after their life in Egypt, they took up a lot of new (or forgotten) things, including the cow worship connected to the moon, mentioned in the article, and the worship of the snake, not mentioned in the article but mentioned in the Bible in connection with Moses' secret knowledge of medicine.


http://www.veda.harekrsna.cz/connections/Hebrews-and-Vedic-Brahmins.php

Hebrews And Vedic Brahmins
Dr. Samar Abbas, Aligarh, India

EDITORIAL, Jul 14 (VNN) A Review

In 1979 the Oriental Institute at Baroda published a paper entitled "The Hebrews belong to a branch of Vedic Aryans." This was a follow-up to a previous article on the same topic published by the same author, Prof. Madan Mohan Shukla, in the Vishveshvaranand Indological Journal in 1976. The basic thesis of these papers is that the Hebrews represent an offshoot of Vedic Brahmins. It may be instructive to review Shukla's papers as they serve to illustrate the common origin of the Jews and Brahmins. As Shukla's papers are very difficult to obtain both within and outside India, and are virtually out of reach for laypersons, I am reproducing extensive tracts from them for reference purposes.

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http://www.vedicearth.com/veda-jews.php

About the Vedic Origin of Jews
The largest concentration of the Jews are found in Israel. That makes sense, as they have build that country. Important questions here -

What about the ten lost tribes of Jews, and why only two of the twelve tribes came to form Israel?

Apart from Israel, which was a country developed later, why do we find the maximum concentration of the Jews people, including many of the 10 lost tribes in an around Kashmir?

If Jesus considered himself as the saviour of the Jews, why did he travelled to India before coming to Palestine and after being crucified?

Why did he stayed the most part of his life in India teaching the locals there?
Who is Abraham?

Is he the same peronality whom the Veda consider as the creator of world, Brahama?

Why the tomb of a lot of Jews leaders are found in India, including Moses, King Salaman and Jesus himself?

Why the name and nature of the Jews Gods bear so astonishing similarities with Vedic Gods?

Not only Jesus, but also his mother wanted to reach India just after Jesus was saved from crucification. Mother Mary couldn't reach Kashmir, and died by the time they reached where there is the present Pakistan. The tomb of Mary has been found there. Why did they want to reach India? Is it because that this was their native land, of all the Jews?

People opine that that's because the Jews fled to India to take shelter as India was a peaceful and developed country at that time. But, then why India? Why not some other countries between India and Palestine? What if, things happened in the other sense, that a few Jews tribes moved from India to west, in the past. That India (northern) is the root of the Jews people, very much like the Gypsy(romani) community that once migrated westward from India?

May be one of the most interesting fact is the Jews's people's belief that their last prophet is yet to come. That the last prophet will be a human being, an earthly king, who will protect and fight for people who are righteous and believe in the good faith, will unite them and they will get back all their holy land, their temples will be reconstructed that has been destroyed by evil people, and so on. And this is exactly the Hindus believe as well, what's based on one of their sacred books 'Kalki Purana'. For more details the Kalki Purana, and the last 'avatar', one can visit - the Wiki page or do some googling for Kalki Avatar and / or Kalki Purana.

Difference between the Hindu and the Jews faith (if they are really two different faiths) here is that, Hindus believe that India is their holy land, and for Jews it is Jerusalem. Interestingly, there are new reports and books coming up telling that it may be Kashmir, the real holy land of the Jews, and not Jerusalem, as they tend to believe. There has been a lot of discussions recently asking why the graves of a lot of Jews holy people are found in Kashmir, India. Cultural, linguistic and genetic proofs have been established that tells beyond doubt that the people of Kashmir and that of present Israel are basically the same ethnic community.

Besides, in the past India was spreaded much westward, probably as much as the present Israel and probably as much east as the present day Japan. Archeologicel evidences of ancient Hindu temples through out this geographical region are getting discovered. For example, there is one Goddess who is worshipped and respected in Israel (Sarai), India (Sarahswati / Bani) and Japan (Benzaiten) under different but similar names. Some scholars are also mentioning that even the Ka'aba was a Hindu temple.

Also, there are ample evidences in various ancient texts that proves that there was a massive migration of people from east to west. The Parsians (present day Iran) texts tell that the present Aryan people came there from east. It has been proved that the Gypsy community moved westward from the present day Chandigarh and Rajasthan, western provinces of India.

I will put more evidences / opinions about this later, that the Jews people are probably Indians of the past, who moved westward for some reason. I will also wait for other scholars to join me in this research, preferably Jews doing their doctorate. An interesting study in this regard, though not directly related, would be to try to get the ancient map of Vedic India. How far the country was stretched? Is it possible that the whole Asia as it is today, from Japan to Israel, was a part of India once upon a time? How to explain the influence of Sanskrit laguage in this region and even further west, in the European languages for example. How the existence of such huge Sanskrit vocabularies in different languages in the whole Euro-Asia can be explained?


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http://www.studylight.org/his/bc/wfj/apion/view.cgi?book=1&chapter=1

Josephus against Apion

Chapter 1 - In Defense of Judaism

Chapter 1 - 22 - (16)

Then replied Aristotle, For this cause it will be the best way to imitate that rule of the Rhetoricians, which requires us first to give an account of the man, and of what nation he was, that so we may not contradict our master's directions. Then said Hyperochides, Go on, if it so pleases thee. This man then, [answered Aristotle,] was by birth a Jew, and came from Celesyria; these Jews are derived from the Indian philosophers; they are named by the Indians Calami, and by the Syrians Judaei, and took their name from the country they inhabit, which is called Judea; but for the name of their city, it is a very awkward one, for they call it Jerusalem

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http://www.veda.harekrsna.cz/connections/Judaism.php

Jews: A Branch of the Vedic Family

Paola Mosconi

Author of Jews: A Branch of the Vedic Family

aka Parama Karuna Devi, a resident of Puri, Orissa, India

"From the results of my research, I can affirm that M. Samar Abbas' thesis is wrong. Actually, the facts are exactly the opposite. It's the Jews who descended from the Vedic family, and not the other way around. The son cannot generate the father."

Dear friends, Namaste!

I have read with much interest the posting on connections between Jews and Vedic Brahmins. I would like to add a small contribution to the issue.

According to my research, most of the "Hebrew" traditions and linguistic features, especially those mentioned by the article, had been absorbed from the Egyptian society and knowledge, which had directly come from Vedic settlers in ancient times.

Before moving to Egypt, Jews had a civilization and language (and religion) descending from their Sumerian origins (Ur, too, had an early settlement of Vedic knowledge). During and after their life in Egypt they took up a lot of new (or forgotten) things, including the cow worship connected to the moon, mentioned in the article, and the worship of the snake, not mentioned in the article but mentioned in the Bible in connection with Moses' secret knowledge of medicine. Schools and scholars speak too little about the Egyptian civilization, religion and science, that influenced the early Western civilizations, until the destruction of the famous library in Alexandria.

However, from my research I have seen that the similarities of Egyptian civilization, science and religion with the Vedic knowledge are even more amazing than the ones mentioned about the Jews. Specifically, in the philosophical and religious field. The details of the temple worship practiced in Egypt are strikingly similar to Vedic temple worship, including the three sandhya meditations on the sun (Ammon-Ra, the main Deity in Egypt), the form of God as both male and female (Osiris/Isis, assimilated with the Sun and the Moon), the bathing, dressing and decoration of the Deity (with red cloth, still considered in India as the traditional color of cloth to be offered to Deities), arati with the offerings of food and incense, etc. The Egyptian Book of the Dead is an almost exact replica of the Tibetan Book of the Dead, which is coming to us through the Yaksa Saivite Tantric tradition of Himalayas, which strongly influenced the Vajrayana Buddhism or Lamaism. Egyptian priests had a complicated knowledge about the various subtle bodies and astral traveling (as Tantric Buddhists do), and some bits of knowledge about yoga, too. Egyptian priests were strictly vegetarian (not even eating eggs), followed brahmacarya vows and abstained from intoxicants, and went through several initiations in order to practice their service. Meat was only consumed by them in later periods, and exclusively coming from fire sacrifices. (It is therefore very misguiding to say that Brahmins "became vegetarian" in a later period, after detaching themselves from their "origins" as Jews).

They were also in charge of medicine and astrology, and had an immense knowledge about both. Even the temple decorations used the lotus flower as a symbol of purity and beauty. The list could go on and on. Many ancient Greek scholars (including Plato, Pythagoras, etc.) traveled both to Egypt and to India to get their knowledge. While reading Plato's and Pythagoras' teachings, we find exactly the same Vedic knowledge explained in Greek language.

Now we know from the Puranas that at the times of Parasurama avatara, the ksatriya kings of Bharata varsa were scattered all over the planet while fleeing the avatara's killing wrath. We know that a group of such ksatriyas, followed by their family priests and retinue, reached ancient Egypt and established a kingdom there. Other groups settled in South America, Mesopotamia, Northern Europe, and in the lost continent of Atlantis mentioned by Plato and others. Striking similarities can be observed, for example the pyramids that can be found almost exactly identical in South America, Mesopotamia and Egypt. And which also resemble the large and high domes of the most ancient Vedic temples.

Linguistic similarities between Vedic civilization and Northern Europe civilization brought European scholars in 1800s and 1900s to assimilate the Aryans with the ancient Germans or "North Men". In facts from subsequent studies it became apparent that Sanskrit had to be "the mother of all languages" as its basic roots and meanings are the same in all European languages, and much more similar than the stretched "transformation rules" of language and pronunciation mentioned in the article.

Still today, both Siberian native nomadic populations and North American Lakota Sioux call "Meru" the mountain they believe is at the center of the universe, and "Garuda" the powerful thunderbird eagle who is so prominent in their mythologies.

The sanctuary of Apollo in Delphi, and all the Pythian sanctuaries after it, were all centered around the "omphalus", also called the "center of the world", which from the depictions was obviously a Siva lingam, with the Sakti serpent coiled around it and even bilva leaves scattered on it. I can send the drawing by jpg file if anyone is interested. I found it in a book where Vedic civilization was not mentioned at all, and the writer had never heard about Siva or lingam worship.

When Jews came on the scene of historical records (as per the story of the Bible), the Egyptian civilization was at the height of its fame and power in their area. Moses - one of the main figures of Hebrew religion, tradition and science, who single-handedly fashioned the culture of the whole people of Israel by bringing up a new generation of a small core of individuals during the wanderings in the desert before reaching the Promised Land - had received the best Egyptian education (in religion, philosophy, science and Tantric magic) as a royal prince, having being adopted by the King's sister at his birth. He had much more knowledge than what is explained in the Bible. Besides giving the famous Ten Commandments and putting down the Bible text into writing, he wrote a number of other secret books (for "more advanced readers") and organized a priestly class (until that time non-existing in Hebrew tradition) and a number of other powerful secrets (like the famous Ark of Covenant).

Such powerful knowledge was at the origin of the mystical branch of the Hebrew knowledge known as Kabbala, which became so famous and controversial during the Middle Ages in Europe.

Since Kabbalistic knowledge has always been a mystery and a secret (as its mass application is politically undesirable for the Establishment), it disappeared from mainstream Hebraism and failed to bring about its good effects on Jews (with a few and less known exceptions). However, it created a host of seekers of hidden knowledge in Europe - templars, alchemists, mystics, "wizards", etc. Basically, before coming in such a close contact with Egyptian science and religion, Jews had taken very little from the advanced civilization of Ur. They were simple illiterate shepherds without much culture. However, their traditions recorded in the first books of the Bible clearly show their Sumerian descent and influence. The Genesis is filled with Sumeric symbols and references, and it has been explained as such by Bible scholars like Zecharia Sitchin.

From the results of my research, I can affirm that M. Samar Abbas' thesis is wrong. Actually, the facts are exactly the opposite. It's the Jews who descended from the Vedic family, and not the other way around. The son cannot generate the father.

Regarding the famous "lost tribe of Israel", that's another point altogether. According to my research, it should consist of a group of Jews who settled in Kashmir much later than the Vedic period (i.e. after the beginning of Kali-yuga), and who gradually became known as the Sikhs after the preaching of Guru Nanak. This is also confirmed by the local people, geographical names and even family names.

Still today, Sikhs observe the traditional custom of Jews of not cutting one's hair in sign of special austerity and religious fervor, from which some Christian scholars have taken the derivation of "Nazarene", a name by which Jesus was called. We may remember that according to the Gospel Jesus' hair "had never been cut by anyone from birth". We may also remember that, as the Gospel clearly and specifically relates, Jesus' dress was in one piece only, without any stitching - a characteristic which we find in the strictly traditional requirement for Vedic pujaris. These were not usual habits of the general Jews and surely are not today.

If Mr. Abbas would care to meditate and research on these points, I think he will find amazing discoveries and a new vision.

Vedic knowledge and civilization is incredibly old, and before the onset of Kali-yuga it contained inconceivable powers and wonderfully advanced science, as the findings in the Sindhu and Sarasvati valleys clearly show. It could not possibly come from a relatively young, uncultured and nomadic people like the Jews.

Even the Bible and the Torah, compared to the Vedas, appear insignificant as per quantity and quality of information. Unfortunately, even many Indian born scholars minimize the value and antiquity of Vedic civilization and knowledge. We hope this trend can soon be reversed.

I think Mr. Abbas should take the pain to actually study Vedic knowledge deeply from a bona fide teacher - which is the system recommended by Vedic knowledge itself.

Roman historian Josephus writes that the "Jews are derived from the Indian philosophers". He tells in Apion, Book 1, verse 22:

"For Clearchus, who was the scholar of Aristotle, says that 'Aristotle his master related what follows of a Jew,' and sets down Aristotle's own discourse with him. The account is this, as written down by him: 'Now, for a great part of what this Jew said, it would be too long to recite it; but what includes in it both wonder and philosophy it may not be amiss to discourse of. I shall herein seem to thee to relate wonders, and what will even resemble dreams themselves. For this cause it will be the best way to follow the rule which requires us first to give an account of the man, and of what nation he was, that so we may not contradict our master's directions.'

"This man then was by birth a Jew, and came from Celesyria; these Jews are derived from the Indian philosophers; they are named by the Indians Calami, and by the Syrians Judaei, and took their name from the country they inhabit, which is called Judea.'" (emphasis mine)

Dr. S. Radhakrishnan offers confirmation of this heritage in his book Pracya Mattu Paschatya Sanskriti, "that the Greeks asserted that the Jews were Indians whom the Syrians called Judea, the Sanskrit synonym of which is Yadava or yaudheya, and the Indians called them Kalanis, [sic] meaning orthodox followers of scripture." The characteristic of strictly following scriptural injunctions is a noted similarity, and would seem to be a requirement of anybody to be identified as a Jew.

Please note that the Jews so identified in this connection are quite different from those who later became the orthodox Jews of Palestine in the 1st century. The later, having capitulated to the occupying forces of Rome were considered as having abandoned their precepts by their contemporary counterparts such as Ebionites, Essenes, Sicarii, etc.

Dhanesvara Das

"Hin-Jews"

Yvette C. Rosser

I thought these notes from a lecture I gave about Judaism and Bhakti might be of interest:

During the sixties and seventies, numerous Hindu and Buddhist spiritual groups came to the West and established outposts of their religious teachings. These groups were called cults by the western media... the "Hare Krishna Cult", the "Tibetan Buddhist Cult"... when in fact they are centuries' old religious traditions practiced by millions of people in their countries of origin.

A generation of American youths, the demographic bulge of the baby boomers, sought spiritual guidance from these wise men and women from the East.

Why did several million Americans turn to the East for wisdom and inspiration? Who were these seekers who were drawn to Asian spiritual movements? What were their religious and social backgrounds? Were they children of secular humanists or atheists who lacked religious training, seeking to fill that void? Were they children of fundamentalists, fed up with the exclusivist, dogmatic approach? Were they disenfranchised, disillusioned malcontents dissatisfied with the options offered by their own culture or were they contributing, creative members of our society?

The majority of the participants tended to be between their late teens, twenties or early thirties. In class or race, it is easy to see that the "neo-Oriental movements" were made up almost exclusively of white, educated, middle- and upper-middle- class people below the age of forty, though a significant number of older citizens were drawn to participate in these religious groups. The percentage of African-Americans who were involved in these Eastern spiritual movements was far fewer than the proportion of blacks in the population at large, as also Hispanics.

Women and men seemed to participate equally, more seemed to come from urban than rural areas, which is understandable given the availability of access to the teachings of these non-Western religious movements. 70% of the participants had been active members in a church or synagogue prior to their participation in Oriental religious practices. Most came from mainstream Christian churches: approximately 20% were Roman Catholic, 15% Methodists, Presbyterians and Episcopalians made up about 6 or 7% each, there is even about 3 or 4% from groups such at the Mormons and Jehovah's Witnesses, these statistics are essentially parallel to the demographic distribution of the American population in general.

The most amazing statistic that emerges from a demographic survey of these religious movements is the fact that people of Jewish heritage comprise at least 20% of the populations of most of these groups, when Jews comprise only 3 or 4% of the general American population. In some of these religious organizations, the number of Jews is even higher, approximating 30 - 50%! Why is this?

In his book titled, "Turning East", Harvey Cox, a noted Christian theologian, enumerates several reasons why the youth of this period stepped outside the boundaries of their traditional Judeo-Christian religious backgrounds and studied Hindu and Buddhist meditation techniques and philosophies. First of all he found that these people were looking for friendship, and were "in search of a supportive community" in which they found a sense of belonging.

Secondly, he found that many of the "East Turners", as he called them, were "looking for a way to experience life directly", to experience a direct relationship with God that they did not get from their traditional Western religious organizations.

Some were "refugees from uncertainty and doubt" and were looking for an authority figure in a teacher or guru. Others were looking for something more "natural" and were rejecting what they believed was the "effete, corrupt or outworn religious traditions of the West." This group of seekers generally shared a concern for health, ecology, and the conservation of the earth's dwindling resources."

But why would the demographics of these Eastern spiritual groups obtain fifty to a hundred times greater percentages of their members drawn from the Jewish faith than are represented in the population at large? In asking this question, I telephoned several of my Jewish friends who have been closely involved with Indian Gurus and asked them what they thought. Here is a narrative summary of their answers:

There seems to be a need for devotionalism. Several of my friends agreed that in their Jewish tradition, the learning was by rote, with a lack of experiential emphasis. They felt alienated from a direct relationship with God, there was too great a gap between God and humans, too great a duality. They felt that Hinduism, and specifically Bhakti Yoga, which is the path of devotion, gave them a greater access to the divine, a closer relationship with God, an immediacy of the spiritual moment. "The Jewish faith", a male informant from Chicago said, "doesn't have a devotional aspect of the supreme deity that can be easily accessed".

The Hindu tradition gives them an opportunity to open up and develop a personal relationship with God. "In the Jewish faith", I was told, "there is little opportunity to experience God as living in your heart". We discussed the concept of subject-object dichotomy, which is greater in Judaism than Hinduism. Increasing the intensity of belief in dichotomy increases the amount of fear of the "divine other", a tangible part of the Judao-Christian belief of being damned or unfulfilled. Either way, "you are not living in the moment, you are living in fear of some future reprisal". Whereas "in the Hindu devotional sects, especially the Bhakti aspect, there is an immediacy of the moment", experienced as "spiritual gratification".

We also discussed ancient Jewish traditions in comparison with Hinduism. My friends noted that "It's laid out very clearly in the Zohar and the Kabbala, which is the mystical aspect of Judaism: the tree of life and the many different planes of consciousness connected with that Tree. The corresponding chakras in Hinduism are the analogous format through which the different expressions of energies can manifest."

Both of these faiths have multiple myths and tales and books written reflecting their parallel ideas that "Godhead was not dual, not two, but one". However, "in Judaism you usually have to read between the lines to get that idea, whereas in Hinduism, it IS the idea". The mystical aspect of Judaism is much closer to Hinduism, but most Jews in America have lost touch with this mystical element of their religion. "This mystical element has been lost and Jews can fill this mystical need in Hinduism". There is also an emphasis on learning in the Jewish tradition has correlations in the Hindu religion's approach to contemplation and speculation.

From the comments of another Jewish informant, a female in California:

"Ultimately, is doesn't matter if you use the format of Hinduism, Judaism, Islam or Christianity, it's the act of talking to God, of becoming ecstatic with love for God and communication with Him or Her. The act of talking to God, of opening your heart to God, the act of humility towards God, are the components through which you can become absorbed in God, drunk with God as they say in the Bhakti tradition. The more the intensity and the thirst for God, the more that God will reach out to you. And the main block for most of us Jews and Christians is that we are caught up in externals, we worship the externals, including our minds. When we get out of our heads and into our hearts, where we really feel the love of God, then the journey is really beginning."

There are also several similarities and correlations between the rituals found in Hinduism and Judaism: food is offered to God and consecrated by God which is accomplished by praying over the food and then sharing it. The lighting of candles and the Hindu arti, or waving of the lights, is also analogous. Shabbat is also similar to the Hindu idea of taking time out for reflection and meditation. Additionally, they are both nonproselytizing traditions, more than a set of religious tenets, a way of life, with historically situated cultural associations beyond the mandir and the synagogue.

Another reason that Jewish people often join these groups is that they want to become conscious of the Goddess. They want to experience the mother as Kali, as Durga. "In Judaism," one of my friend commented, "we live in denial, but in Hinduism we face the negative and try to understand it. In Judaism the teachings are in austere tones, more measured, but Hinduism doesn't do this at all, it brings everything to the forefront. There is a lot of shame and blame in Christianity and Judaism, Hinduism doesn't get into that. Hinduism says, 'stop blaming everyone else and then stop blaming and shaming yourself'. Hinduism brings you closer to the moment. Stop trying to produce-produce all the time and change everything, Hinduism is like a full time Shabbat."

An important thing that happens is that Jews who get involved in Asian religions do not reject their Jewishness. Judaism is a culture as well as a religion. Even Jews who actively and sincerely follow a Hindu guru, or the Dalai Lama, still have barmitzvahs, still often send their children to synagogue schools, they celebrate Passover, Hanukah, yet they feel comfortable in their embrace of Hinduism as well, after all Hinduism is, one informant mentioned, "the ultimate inclusive religion".

Heliodorus and Vaishnava-Jewish connection

JanM, June 2002

(based on text by Brother David Sherman/HH Bhakti Ananda Gosvami)

Among apocryphal (non-canonical) Biblical books stands out Second Book of Maccabees. It describes personal appearance of God in forms known mainly from Vedic tradition to Greek ambassador Heliodorus.

Entry "Heliodorus" in The Columbia Encyclopedia, Sixth Edition. 2001.:

"fl. 175 B.C., Syrian statesman. The treasurer of Seleucus IV (Seleucus Philopator), he murdered the king and attempted unsuccessfully to usurp the throne. According to the Book of Second Maccabees, he entered the Temple at Jerusalem but was prevented from taking the treasure by three angels."

The book is written in Greek based on earlier lost Greek original (Septuagint) in 120 BC. Its story revolves around the sin, divine chastisement and miraculous conversion of a Greek Seleucid ambassador named Heliodorus. It ends with his vow to God and return to the Seleucid emperor. Other (extra-Biblical) sources later implicated this same Heliodorus in a plot to kill the emperor. It is thus clear that this man played a significant role in the history of the time.

During the same time period in India a man named Heliodorus of the same office had a votive column to Krishna erected in his name (famous Heliodorus' column). Such offerings were common in fulfillment of religious vows (thus 'votive' offerings) at that time. This same column has survived to the present, and is one of the primary pieces of evidence used to prove the existence of Vasudeva-Krishna (Krishna-Balarama) worship in the pre-Christian era.

On the column erected in Besnagar in central India near Vidisha, north of Madhyapradesh State, at 113 BC (sometimes also dated 140/150 BC ) he calls himself a worshiper of Vasudeva (Vishnu). This is the first known record that other than Indian-born person became a follower of Vishnu (Vaishnava).

The inscription (in Brahmi characters) says:

1) Devadevasa Va[sude]vasa Garudadhvajo ayam 2) karito i[a] Heliodorena bhaga- 3) vatena Diyasa putrena Takhasilakena 4) Yonadatena agatena maharajasa 5) Amtalikitasa upa[m]ta samkasam-rano 6) Kasiput[r]asa [Bh]agabhadrasa tratarasa 7) vasena [chatu]dasena rajena vadhamanasa

"This Garuda-column of Vasudeva (Visnu), the god of gods, was erected here by Heliodorus, a worshiper of Visnu, the son of Dion, and an inhabitant of Taxila, who came as Greek ambassador from the Great King Antialkidas to King Kasiputra Bhagabhadra, the savior, then reigning prosperously in the fourteenth year of his kingship."

(Transliteration and translation of this ancient Brahmi inscription was published in the Journal of the Royal Asiatic Society (London: JRAS, Pub., 1909, pp. 1053-54.)

Another column inscription says:

1) Trini amutapadani - [su] anuthitani 2) nayamti svaga damo chago apramado

"Three immortal precepts (footsteps)... when practiced lead to heaven - self-restraint, charity, consciousness."

From this inscription it is clear Heliodorus was a Vaisnava, a devotee of Visnu.

The Archaeological Survey of India has inscribed its history on a white marble slab. It reads:

"History of This Pillar

"This column is locally called Khamb Baba and is worshiped especially by fishermen. It bears two inscriptions in Brahmi characters and Prakrit language.

"One of these inscriptions records that the column was set up as a Garuda Pillar in honour of God Vasudeva (Vishnu) by Heliodoros, a Greek inhabitant of Taxila (Takshasila), who had come to the court of Bhagabhadra, king of central India, as an ambassador from Antialcidas, an Indo-Bactrian king of the Punjab. Heliodoros had evidently adopted Hinduism as he has styled himself a Bhagavata, i.e., a follower of the Vaishnava sect. The approximate date of the column is 150 B.C."

The reference to Garuda, the vahana (carrier) of the Lord, is found also in the Old Testament.
2 Samuel 22:11 And he rode upon a cherub, and did fly: and he was seen upon the wings of the wind.
Psalms 18:10 And he rode upon a cherub, and did fly: yea, he did fly upon the wings of the wind.

Thus a Greek ambassador named Heliodorus figures prominently in both the Biblical and Vaishnava history of that same time period. Whether one takes these stories as real or 'legendary' there is obviously still some connection.

If we doubt that there was much contact between India and Jerusalem at that time, again the Greek Jewish-Catholic Bible (Septuagint) has the answer. The post-Alexandrine Seleucid emperors reigned from North West India to North Africa. There was tremendous interaction between India and Judea during this period. For example, there are entire Indian units of elephants and their foot-soldiers described as fighting under the Seleucid Emperor in Jerusalem in the First Book of Maccabees, Chapter 6. Indian elephant units from India, with Indian troops, lead by Indian officers, were commonly used throughout the Eastern Mediterranean region in the centuries just before the advent of Christ. This is only one example of the complete integration of Levantine and Indian history which characterized that entire period.

The 2 Maccabees book describes experience of Heliodorus with theophany (revelation) of God. In chapter 3 (3:25-26, 33-34) of this book God manifests Himself in His temple in Jerusalem - first appearing as rider (Kalki) on a richly armored horse trampling the ambassador who is trying to plunder and thus desecrate the great temple of Jerusalem. Then the Almighty Lord appears as two beautiful youths (Eli-Yahu as Krishna and Balarama), who beat the ambassador with Their own hands. A Vaishnava recognizes that such a chastisement from the hand of God is a great benediction and Heliodorus obviously understood it as such.

2 Maccabees, Chapter 3:

1. While the holy city was inhabited in unbroken peace and the laws were very well observed because of the piety of the high priest Onias and his hatred of wickedness,

2. it came about that the kings themselves honored the place and glorified the temple with the finest presents,

3. so that even Seleucus, the king of Asia, defrayed from his own revenues all the expenses connected with the service of the sacrifices.

4. But a man named Simon, of the tribe of Benjamin, who had been made captain of the temple, had a disagreement with the high priest about the administration of the city market;

5. and when he could not prevail over Onias he went to Apollonius of Tarsus, who at that time was governor of Coelesyria and Phoenicia.

6. He reported to him that the treasury in Jerusalem was full of untold sums of money, so that the amount of the funds could not be reckoned, and that they did not belong to the account of the sacrifices, but that it was possible for them to fall under the control of the king.

7. When Apollonius met the king, he told him of the money about which he had been informed. The king chose Heliodorus, who was in charge of his affairs, and sent him with commands to effect the removal of the aforesaid money.

8. Heliodorus at once set out on his journey, ostensibly to make a tour of inspection of the cities of Coelesyria and Phoenicia, but in fact to carry out the king's purpose.

9. When he had arrived at Jerusalem and had been kindly welcomed by the high priest of the city, he told about the disclosure that had been made and stated why he had come, and he inquired whether this really was the situation.

10. The high priest explained that there were some deposits belonging to widows and orphans,

11. and also some money of Hyrcanus, son of Tobias, a man of very prominent position, and that it totaled in all four hundred talents of silver and two hundred of gold. To such an extent the impious Simon had misrepresented the facts.

12. And he said that it was utterly impossible that wrong should be done to those people who had trusted in the holiness of the place and in the sanctity and inviolability of the temple which is honored throughout the whole world.

13. But Heliodorus, because of the king's commands which he had, said that this money must in any case be confiscated for the king's treasury.

14. So he set a day and went in to direct the inspection of these funds. There was no little distress throughout the whole city.

15. The priests prostrated themselves before the altar in their priestly garments and called toward heaven upon Him who had given the law about deposits, that He should keep them safe for those who had deposited them.

16. To see the appearance of the high priest was to be wounded at heart, for his face and the change in his color disclosed the anguish of his soul.

17. For terror and bodily trembling had come over the man, which plainly showed to those who looked at him the pain lodged in his heart.

18. People also hurried out of their houses in crowds to make a general supplication because the holy place was about to be brought into contempt.

19. Women, girded with sackcloth under their breasts, thronged the streets. Some of the maidens who were kept indoors ran together to the gates, and some to the walls, while others peered out of the windows.

20. And holding up their hands to heaven, they all made entreaty.

21. There was something pitiable in the prostration of the whole populace and the anxiety of the high priest in his great anguish.

22. While they were calling upon the Almighty Lord that He would keep what had been entrusted safe and secure for those who had entrusted it,

23. Heliodorus went on with what had been decided.

24. But when he arrived at the treasury with his bodyguard, then and there the Sovereign of spirits and of all authority caused so great a manifestation that all who had been so bold as to accompany him were astounded by the power of God, and became faint with terror.

25. For there appeared to them a magnificently caparisoned horse, with a rider of frightening mien, and it rushed furiously at Heliodorus and struck at him with its front hoofs. Its rider was seen to have armor and weapons of gold.

26. Two young men also appeared to him, remarkably strong, gloriously beautiful and splendidly dressed, who stood on each side of him and scourged him continuously, inflicting many blows on him.

27. When he suddenly fell to the ground and deep darkness came over him, his men took him up and put him on a stretcher

28. and carried him away, this man who had just entered the aforesaid treasury with a great retinue and all his bodyguard but was now unable to help himself; and they recognized clearly the sovereign power of God.

29. While he lay prostrate, speechless because of the divine intervention and deprived of any hope of recovery,

30. they praised the Lord who had acted marvelously for His own place. And the temple, which a little while before was full of fear and disturbance, was filled with joy and gladness, now that the Almighty Lord had appeared.

31. Quickly some of Heliodorus' friends asked Onias to call upon the Most High and to grant life to one who was lying quite at his last breath.

32. And the high priest, fearing that the king might get the notion that some foul play had been perpetrated by the Jews with regard to Heliodorus, offered sacrifice for the man's recovery.

33. While the high priest was making the offering of atonement, the same young men appeared again to Heliodorus dressed in the same clothing, and They stood and said, "Be very grateful to Onias the high priest, since for his sake the Lord has granted you your life.

34. And see that you, who have been scourged by heaven, report to all men the majestic power of God." Having said this They vanished.

35. Then Heliodorus offered sacrifice to the Lord and made very great vows to the Savior of his life, and having bidden Onias farewell, he marched off with his forces to the king.

36. And he bore testimony to all men of the deeds of the Supreme God, which he had seen with his own eyes.

37. When the king asked Heliodorus what sort of person would be suitable to send on another mission to Jerusalem, he replied,

38. "If you have any enemy or plotter against your government, send him there, for you will get him back thoroughly scourged, if he escapes at all, for there certainly is about the place some power of God.

39. For He who has his dwelling in heaven watches over that place Himself and brings it aid, and He strikes and destroys those who come to do it injury."

40. This was the outcome of the episode of Heliodorus and the protection of the treasury.

Vedic Archeology - Heliodorus's Column (more info)

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You might like this movie...

I have started my "inner" work now and this exoteric information will have to wait but please keep it coming one day I will sit down and read the lot...

Maha

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Neither historical events nor cross-cultural currents can explain the unique parallels in the myths and imagery of ancient Egypt and India. Walafrid Strabo (c. 809–849) German scholar has said: "The lotus flower, sacred to Buddha and to Osiris, has five petals which symbolizes the four limbs and the head; the five senses; the five digits; and like the pyramid, the four parts of the compass and the zenith. Other esoteric meanings abound: for myths are seldom simple, and never irresponsible."
Indian contacts with the Western world date back to prehistoric times. Trade relations, preceded by the migration of peoples, inevitably developed into cultural relations. Evidence of Indian contact with the ancient civilizations to her west, however is certain. Knobbed pottery vases came to Sumer from India and so did cotton. In the Akkadian tongue, Indian cotton was expressed by ideographs meaning "vegetable cloth." Assurbanipal (668-626 B.C) cultivated Indian plants including the "wool-bearing trees" of India.

According to the Skandha Purana, Egypt (Africa) was known as Sancha-dvipa continent mentioned in Sir Willliams Jones' dissertation on Egypt. At Alexandria, in Egypt, Indian scholars were a common sight: they are mentioned both by Dio Chrysostom (c. 100 A.D.) and by Clement (c. 200 A.D.) Indirect contact between ancient India and Egypt through Mesopotamia is generally admitted, but evidence of a direct relationship between the two is at best fragmentary. Peter Von Bohlen (1796-1840) German Indologist, compared India with ancient Egypt. He thought there was a cultural connection between the two in ancient times. There are elements of folk art, language, and rural culture of Bengal which have an affinity with their Egyptian counterparts and which have not been explained satisfactorily in terms of Aryan, Mongolian, or Dravidian influences. There are similarities between place names in Bengal and Egypt and recently an Egyptian scholar, El Mansouri, has pointed out that in both Egypt and India the worship of cow, sun, snake, and river are common.

Recently, more definitive evidence suggesting contact between India and Egypt has become available. A terracotta mummy from Lothal vaguely resembles an Egyptian mummy and a similar terracotta mummy is found also at Mohenjodaro. In this context it is of interest to note that the Egyptian mummies are said to have been wrapped in Indian muslin. Characters similar to those on the Indus seals have also been found on tablets excavated from Easter Island.

Of all the Egyptian objects and motifs indicating some contact between India and Egypt during the Indus Valley period, "the cord pattern occurring in a copper tablet in the Indus Valley and on three Egyptian seals is the most striking link between the two countries. Gordon Childe has said, "In other words, in the third millennium B.C. India was already in a position to contribute to the building up of the cultural tradition that constitutes our spiritual heritage as she notoriously has done since the time of Alexander."

Introduction
The Lotus and the River
Cultural Contacts with Egypt
The Sun King and Dasharatha
The Persian Connection
Links to Ancient Egypt
Conclusion

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Introduction

Peter Von Bohlen (1796-1840) German Indologist, compared India with ancient Egypt. He thought there was a cultural connection between the two in ancient times.

(source: German Indologists: Biographies of Scholars in Indian Studies writing in German - By Valentine Stache-Rosen. p.15-16).

In his book, Empire of the Soul: Some Journeys in India, Paul William Roberts, states:

" Recent research and scholarship make it increasingly possible to believe that the Vedic era was the lost civilization whose legacy the Egyptians and the Indians inherited. There must have been one. There are too many similarities between hieroglyphic texts and Vedic ones, these in turn echoed in somewhat diluted form and a confused fashion by the authors of Babylonian texts and the Old Testament."

(source: Empire of the Soul: Some Journeys in India - By Paul William Roberts p. 300).

It is believed that the Dravidians from India went to Egypt and laid the foundation of its civilization there. the Egyptians themselves had the tradition that they originally came from the South, from a land called Punt, which an historian of the West, Dr. H.R. Hall, thought referred to some part of India.

The Indus Valley civilization is, according to Sir John Marshall who was in charge of the excavations, the oldest of all civilizations unearthed (c. 4000 B.C.) It is older than the Sumerian and it is believed by many that the latter was a branch of the former.

(source: The Bhagvad Gita: A Scripture for the Future - Translation and Commentary by Sachindra K. Majumdar p. 28).

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more at the link.

remember what i said before that egyptain and vedic texts were fused in babylon by the priesthood, this then could have been the basis for the old testament, imho. then remember the vedic connections to jews, eg flavius josephus, conta apinon, chapter 1 22:16. then from babylon to rome.

add to this the romany migration from india to europe, and the vedic/celtic connections.

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The Hopis and Mayans Hold the Keys to the Origins of Our American Indians!

excerpt from Christianity--Mankind's First Worldwide Religion!

(now available from Amazon and Barnes & Noble) by Gene D. Matlock


The Cologne Sanskrit dictionary meanings of the four italicized words in this first paragraph led me to intuit that the Indo-Turkic (Kuru) Phoenicians once governed both the eastern and the western hemispheres: Sanskrit Kashi = "Descendants of Prince Kashi; the family of Bharata (India's true name).

Shikha = "chief; head; sheik; best of a kind." Kashikha = "Chiefs or Sheiks of Kashi or Bharata."

The following is a list of many Amerindian leadership castes which I compiled from studying the traditions of most American Indian tribes:

Keshua (Inca leadership caste);
Kashitl; Kashikeh (Aztec, Toltec, and Nahuatl chiefs);
Kashikel; Kisheh (Mayan leaders);
Kashekwa; Kashikah (Caribbean and Florida Taino and Arawak chieftains);
Kushuu (Mexican Mixtec and Zapotec rulers);
Kashonsee (Mexican Tarascan leaders);
Kais (Arizona O'odham word for "rich, wealthy people");
Katsina (Hopi and other Puebloan protective deities);
Koshair (Southwestern Puebloan sun priests);
Koshikwe (Zuñi leadership clan);
Gasha (Seneca Indian chiefs);
Kaddi (leaders of the Caddoan tribe); etc., etc.

Notice the similarity of the Amerindian names for "leadership caste" with their Old World equivalents:

Kush (ancient rulers of Egypt, Ethiopia, and other parts of Africa);
Kais (hereditary leaders of Afghanistan);
Kish (hereditary leaders of Persia);
Kassi (Kassites; ancient rulers of Assyria and Mesopotamia);
Kashu (Babylonian leaders);
Kastra (Roman hereditary leaders);
Kish (Hereditary leaders of Kishtawar, Kashmir);
Kathay (China's ancient leadership caste);
Kshatriya; Hattiya (India's ruling caste);
Kossoei (Persian or Iranian aristocracy);
Kshatrap (early Greek leaders);
Katholic (universal religion of mankind);
Kashteel (a name of Spain's first leadership caste);
Kastro (another name of Spain's leadership caste);
Kaesar/Caesar (mispronounced as "Seezar"; title of Roman kings);
Kushang (a fierce warrior tribe that once left Eastern Siberia, moved across Mongolia, swept across China, and kept on going to India);
Kaiser (title of German kings);
Kzar (title of Russian rulers);
Goths, Guti, Gades, Cadis, etc., (ancient Rajput or Yadava warriors that once overran Europe);
Kossaks; Kazaks (hereditary warrior class of Russia);
Castle (home of hereditary leaders).

I have in my files enough information to provide a large volume about the ancient Indo-Turkic (Kuru) Phoenicians' domination of every region on earth. Various names of God Shiva also existed in every part of this globe.

The Hopis' creator God is Yaiowa (Jehovah). Their great spirit oracle is Massawa (Mahesvara or God Shiva). The wind god who brought them to America was Yaponcha (Swift Phoenician). Those who furnished the transportation to bring them here were the Bahanna, a Sanskrit word for "mover; transporter:" Vahana. The Hopis' tribal name derives from the Afghan and ancient Turkic (Kuru) ophiolaters (snake worshippers) known as Khofis, Ophis, Hopis, or L'Hopitai. Edward Pococke, author of India in Greece, wrote that the word Afghanistan derives from Oph (Snake) + Gana (Tribe) + S'Tan (of Dan): "Snake Tribe of Dan." Kiva derives from the Sanskrit word Kiva, meaning "Anthill Residence." The Greeks called the ancient Turkic (Kuru) non-Indo-European peoples living in those Kivas, Muski, Mushki, Mousika, Mesech, etc. The variations of this word mean "mouse; rat" because their homes resembled mouse or rat burrows to the Greeks. Even today, many Turkish villagers live in pit houses, Puebloan style buildings entered from rooftops, and cliff dwellings.

On a recent trip to Turkey, my wife Sandy saw these dwellings personally. The arts, textiles, and crafts of the Turkic villagers resemble their American Indian counterparts. Turkish authorities told her that their ancestors were the primogenitors of the American Indians. They also told her that in ancient times, a large tribe of "snake people" once lived in Kurustan (the Turkic countries and Northern India). During the summer of 2005, my wife and I traveled throughout Southern Arizona. She took a purse she had bought in Turkey with her. Both tourists and Indians thought that her purse had been made by Amerindians.

The origin myths of the Hopis mention Kiva and Muski. The Hopis and other Puebloan tribes' place of origin was Sibapu (Sivabhu), meaning "Sacred Land of God Shiva." The way of life of tribes of all the puebloan tribes is Inday. The Hopi word for "money" is Siiva. Its Sanskrit equivalent is Sva. The Hopi word for "people; humanity; group of people; the American Indian nations collectively" is Sino, similar to the collective names of the Indians on South America's west coast of Sinnar: Sinu. The Sanskrit word for "group of people" is Sena.

Like the Hopis, the Mayans pinpointed their Old World origins accurately. They claimed that their forefathers came from a western land lying 150 days' sailing time from Meso-America. They gave several names for this land:

Shilanka (Xilanca) - an ancient name of Ceylon (Zeilan-Ka).

Shikalanka (Xicalanca) - Ceylon. In Tamil, Shikalam.

Itzamna was one of their culture heroes. He claimed to have come from a western country. Isham, meaning "Tiger," "Land of Gold," was a Dravidian name of Ceylon. The Na in Isham-na is an honorific.

Ishbalanka (Xbalanca), another culture hero. In Tamil, it means "Shiva of Lanka." India's God Shiva was supposed to have made the footprint on top of Adam's Peak in today's Sri Lanka.

Shibalba, the Mayan underworld. This word stems From the Sanskrit Shivulba, meaning "from the fountainhead of God Shiva-Mt. Meru, in India."

Palenke (Palenque). This name derives from the Tamil Pal-Lanka, meaning "Protectorate of Lanka." Ancient Lanka was India's "Atlantis."

Ceren, a name of Ceylon. Some Mayan ruins in El Salvador are called Ceren.

Lacandon, a tribe of Yucatan. India's god Kubera banished the Laks, a Tartarian Huna or Rakshasha tribe from Northern India to Ceylon, giving the country one of its many names and becoming the Lakan or Lakam people. The Don in Lacan-don derives from Dan. (See the online Cologne Sanskrit and Tamil dictionaries for comparison of ancient Ceylon names with those of Mayan tribes and places.)

Ancient Ceylon was divided into three provinces: Maya, the central division of the island; Ruhuna, and Pihitee, the northernmost of the three. The Ceylonese Maya were known for their impressive architectural marvels, temples, and irrigation ponds. (Reference: The History of Ceylon, by William Knighton, first published in Colombo Ceylon, in 1845.)

One of the names of Ceylon's cult religions was Mayon. It still exists among a few aboriginals living on the island.

About 4,000 BC, perhaps even earlier, Kubera or Khyber (Kheeber/Heber), India's God of Good Luck, Gold, Riches, Merchants, Traders, Mariners and Miners, tried to rid Northern India (Sivapuri; Sivabhu; Shivulva) of its most barbarous tribes. These were mainly the Tartarian Hunas, also called Rakshasas (barbarians). They came from Huna-Bhu, meaning "Hunas (Tartars) from the Sacred Land around Mt. Meru." Many of these tribes were cannibalistic, given to intertribal fighting, practitioners of human sacrifice in their religious rites, flattened the foreheads of their babies, took scalps in battle, and observed other customs attributed to many Amerindian tribes.

The Ramayana tells us that Kubera (really a group) exiled them to Lanka or Ceylon, taking along with him many of his Yaksha or Yakkha subjects. These would be the Veddhas, considered to be Ceylon's first inhabitants. In Ceylon, the Hunas (Huns) refused to settle down and become peaceful. Therefore, Kubera took them to Patala (Meso-America), along with his fellow Yakkhas. The Mayans remember them as the culture hero, Hunapu (Huna-Bhu?).

Had the natives of Meso-America been able to pronounce the "ST" combination, today's Yucatan would be Yucasthan. Even today, the Mexican Indians and peasants cannot pronounce this combination. For example, instead of Cómo está? (How are you?), they can only say, "¿Cómo tá?"

Guatemala may derive from Gautemala, meaning "A Subsidiary Land of Gautama Buddha."

Besides the Ceylonese and Tamil tribal names Yakkha, Maya, and Lak in Maya country, there are also the Lenca and Rama tribes. I want to add that no less than two-thirds of all the aboriginal regional names of Mexico are either variations of the name of Lanka or Tamil names of West Indian regions.

The architecture of ancient Ceylonese temples and buildings is also nearly exactly like that of the Mayans.

Kubera even gave his name to North America. The Meso-Americans told the Spaniards that North America was Quivira (Land of the Khyber People).

Most of us have heard of the Mayan holy book, Chilam Balam. Chilan or Chilam is a title of Mayan priests. Balam is the Mayan name for Jaguar. In Sanskrit, Cheilan = Ceylonese and Vyalam = tiger; lion; hunting leopard. "Jaguar" probably stems from the Sanskrit Higkara, meaning Tiger-like or "sounding like a tiger."

Chak was the Mayan God of thunder, lightning, rain, and crops. His equivalent in other parts of the world was Zeus, Dyaus, Jupiter, Ca, Jah, Ju, Jahve, Jehova Jeho, Sakh, Sagg, Sa-ga-ga, Sakko, Zagg, Zax. a.k.a. Zeus, is often depicted holding a serpentine thunderbolt and a grail, or someone is handing it to him. The Mayan Chak is equally depicted. He, too, is God Shiva!

They claim to have been brought to Meso-America by a person or group called Votan. This name means "Boat People" in Sanskrit.

A New Mexican Membreno Apache chief told me recently that at certain times in human history, the past and the present snap back together as if they were two ends of a gigantic rubber band. He told me, "The past is now." The Hopi and Mayan origin stories, as well as those of the Incas, Aztecs, Caddos, O'odhams, and many other Indian tribes are at last telling us that all humans are inter-related. For me, that is a comforting thought in a world that has been fragmenting almost beyond redemption. Can Humpty Dumpty be put back together again?

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Gene D. Matlock © Copyright 2005. All rights reserved.
E-mail: genmatl@msn.com

Gene D. Matlock, summer 2005

Gene is a retired high school foreign language teacher who spends his retirement researching the history and origins of mankind's religions, the origins of our Amerindian tribes, and related subjects. His interest in Hindu philosophy started in Kansas where he grew up in the 1930s and 1940s. His father, a staunch Christian fundamentalist, disapproved of Gene's favorite reading materials. Gene had to hide his books in the barn granary. One day his father found the books and destroyed them. But Gene just went out and bought others. His father then relented.

After graduating from high school, he went to Mexico City College in Mexico City (now the University of the Americas in Puebla) to get his B.A. degree in Spanish and Latin American History. While there he noticed that there had to be a relationship between the Nahuatl-speaking peoples and the Hindus. After getting out of the Marine Corps in 1954, Gene traveled throughout Central America and then went to New Orleans where he got his Master's degree in Spanish and Latin American Affairs from Tulane University. After Tulane and a year of teaching in a rural Kansas high school, he went to California and has been there ever since.

His latest book entitled What Strange Mystery Unites the Turkish Nations, India, Catholicism, and Mexico will be available in late May, 2006 from Amazon.

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Who Was Abraham?

by Gene D. Matlock, B.A., M.A.

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In his History of the Jews, the Jewish scholar and theologian Flavius Josephus (37 - 100 A.D.), wrote that the Greek philosopher Aristotle had said: "...These Jews are derived from the Indian philosophers; they are named by the Indians Calani." (Book I:22.)

Clearchus of Soli wrote, "The Jews descend from the philosophers of India. The philosophers are called in India Calanians and in Syria Jews. The name of their capital is very difficult to pronounce. It is called 'Jerusalem.'"

"Megasthenes, who was sent to India by Seleucus Nicator, about three hundred years before Christ, and whose accounts from new inquiries are every day acquiring additional credit, says that the Jews 'were an Indian tribe or sect called Kalani...'" (Anacalypsis, by Godfrey Higgins, Vol. I; p. 400.)

Martin Haug, Ph.D., wrote in The Sacred Language, Writings, and Religions of the Parsis, "The Magi are said to have called their religion Kesh-î-Ibrahim.They traced their religious books to Abraham, who was believed to have brought them from heaven." (p. 16.)

There are certain striking similarities between the Hindu god Brahma and his consort Saraisvati, and the Jewish Abraham and Sarai, that are more than mere coincidences. Although in all of India there is only one temple dedicated to Brahma, this cult is the third largest Hindu sect.


In his book Moisés y los Extraterrestres, Mexican author Tomás Doreste states,

Voltaire was of the opinion that Abraham descended from some of the numerous Brahman priests who left India to spread their teachings throughout the world; and in support of his thesis he presented the following elements: the similarity of names and the fact that the city of Ur, land of the patriarchs, was near the border of Persia, the road to India, where that Brahman had been born.

The name of Brahma was highly respected in India, and his influence spread throughout Persia as far as the lands bathed by the rivers Euphrates and Tigris. The Persians adopted Brahma and made him their own. Later they would say that the God arrived from Bactria, a mountainous region situated midway on the road to India. (pp. 46-47.)

Bactria (a region of ancient Afghanistan) was the locality of a prototypical Jewish nation called Juhuda or Jaguda, also called Ur-Jaguda. Ur meant "place or town." Therefore, the bible was correct in stating that Abraham came from "Ur of the Chaldeans." "Chaldean," more correctly Kaul-Deva (Holy Kauls), was not the name of a specific ethnicity but the title of an ancient Hindu Brahmanical priestly caste who lived in what are now Afghanistan, Pakistan, and the Indian state of Kashmir.

"The tribe of Ioud or the Brahmin Abraham, was expelled from or left the Maturea of the kingdom of Oude in India and, settling in Goshen, or the house of the Sun or Heliopolis in Egypt, gave it the name of the place which they had left in India, Maturea." (Anacalypsis; Vol. I, p. 405.)

"He was of the religion or sect of Persia, and of Melchizedek."(Vol. I, p. 364.)

"The Persians also claim Ibrahim, i.e. Abraham, for their founder, as well as the Jews. Thus we see that according to all ancient history the Persians, the Jews, and the Arabians are descendants of Abraham.(p.85) ...We are told that Terah, the father of Abraham, originally came from an Eastern country called Ur, of the Chaldees or Culdees, to dwell in a district called Mesopotamia. Some time after he had dwelt there, Abraham, or Abram, or Brahma, and his wife Sara or Sarai, or Sara-iswati, left their father's family and came into Canaan. The identity of Abraham and Sara with Brahma and Saraiswati was first pointed out by the Jesuit missionaries."(Vol. I; p. 387.)



In Hindu mythology, Sarai-Svati is Brahm's sister. The bible gives two stories of Abraham. In this first version, Abraham told Pharaoh that he was lying when he introduced Sarai as his sister. In the second version, he also told the king of Gerar that Sarai was really his sister. However, when the king scolded him for lying, Abraham said that Sarai was in reality both his wife and his sister! "...and yet indeed she is my sister; she is the daughter of my father, but not the daughter of my mother; and she became my wife." (Genesis 20:12.)

But the anomalies don't end here. In India, a tributary of the river Saraisvati is Ghaggar. Another tributary of the same river is Hakra. According to Jewish traditions, Hagar was Sarai's maidservant; the Moslems say she was an Egyptian princess. Notice the similarities of Ghaggar, Hakra and Hagar.


The bible also states that Ishmael, son of Hagar, and his descendants lived in India. "...Ishmael breathed his last and died, and was gathered to his kin... They dwelt from Havilah (India), by Shur, which is close to Egypt, all the way to Asshur." (Genesis 25:17-18.) It is an interesting fact that the names of Isaac and Ishmael are derive from Sanskrit: (Hebrew) Ishaak = (Sanskrit) Ishakhu = "Friend of Shiva." (Hebrew) Ishmael = (Sanskrit) Ish-Mahal = "Great Shiva."

A third mini-version of the Abraham story turns him into another "Noah." We know that a flood drove Abraham out of India. "...Thus saith the Lord God of Israel, your fathers dwelt on the other side of the flood in old time, Even Terah, the father of Abraham, and the father of Nachor; and they served other gods. And I took your father Abraham from the other side of the flood, and led him throughout all the land of Canaan." (Joshua 24:2-3.)

Genesis 25 mentions some descendants of his concubine Ketura (Note: The Moslems claim that Ketura is another name of Hagar.): Jokshan; Sheba; Dedan; Epher. Some descendants of Noah were Joktan, Sheba, Dedan, and Ophir. These varying versions have caused me to suspect that the writers of the bible were trying to unite several different branches of Judaism.

About 1900 BC, the cult of Brahm was carried to the Middle and Near East by several different Indian groups after a severe rainfall and earthquake tore Northern India apart, even changing the courses of the Indus and Saraisvati rivers. The classical geographer Strabo tells us just how nearly complete the abandonment of Northwestern India was. "Aristobolus says that when he was sent upon a certain mission in India, he saw a country of more than a thousand cities, together with villages, that had been deserted because the Indus had abandoned its proper bed." (Strabo's Geography, XV.I.19.)

"The drying up of the Sarasvati around 1900 BCE, which led to a major relocation of the population centered around in the Sindhu and the Sarasvati valleys, could have been the event that caused a migration westward from India. It is soon after this time that the Indic element begins to appear all over West Asia, Egypt, and Greece." (Indic Ideas in the Graeco-Roman World, by Subhash Kak, taken from IndiaStar online literary magazine; p.14)

Indian historian Kuttikhat Purushothama Chon believes that Abraham was driven out of India. He states that the Aryans, unable to defeat the Asuras (The mercantile caste that once ruled in the Indus Valley or Harappans) spent so many years fighting covertly against the Asuras, such as destroying their huge system of irrigation lakes, causing destructive flooding, that Abraham and his kindred just gave up and marched to West Asia. (See Remedy the Frauds in Hinduism.) Therefore, besides being driven out of Northern India by floods, the Aryans also forced Indian merchants, artisans, and educated classes to flee to West Asia.


Edward Pococke writes in India in Greece,

"...in no similar instance have events occurred fraught with consequences of such magnitude, as those flowing from the great religious war which, for a long series of years, raged throughout the length and breadth of India. That contest ended by the expulsion of vast bodies of men; many of them skilled in the arts of early civilization, and still greater numbers, warriors by profession. Driven beyond the Himalayan mountains in the north, and to Ceylon, their last stronghold in the south, swept across the Valley of the Indus on the west, this persecuted people carried with them the germs of the European arts and sciences. The mighty human tide that passed the barrier of the Punjab, rolled on towards its destined channel in Europe and in Asia, to fulfill its beneficent office in the moral fertilization of the world.the distance of the migratory movement was so vast, the disguise of names so complete, and Grecian information so calculated to mislead, that nothing short of a total disregard of theoretic principles, and the resolution of independent research, gave the slightest chance of a successful elucidation."

(p. 28.)


If all these refugee ruling peoples were exclusively of Indian heritage,
why doesn't History mention them?

The exodus of refugees out of ancient India did not occur all at once but over a period of one or more thousand years. If all these refugee ruling peoples were exclusively of Indian heritage, why doesn't History mention them? Indeed they are mentioned as Kassites, Hittites, Syrians, Assyrians, Hurrians, Arameans, Hyksos, Mittanians, Amalekites, Aethiops (Atha-Yop), Phoenicians, Chaldeans, and many others. But we have been wrongly taught to regard them as ethnicities indigenous to Western Asia. Our history books also call them "Indo-Europeans," causing us to wonder where they were really from. "The people of India came to realize their social identity in terms of Varna and Jati (societal functions or caste); not in terms of races and tribes." (Foundations of Indian Culture; p. 8.)


Here's an example of how the ancient Indians identified people: The leaders were called Khassis (Kassites), Kushi (Kushites), Cossacks (Russian military caste) Caesars (Roman ruling caste), Hattiya (Hittites), Cuthites (a dialectical form of Hittite), Hurrite (another dialectical form of Hittite), Cathay (Chinese leaders), Kasheetl/Kashikeh among the Aztecs, Kashikhel/Kisheh by the Mayans, and Keshuah/Kush by the Incas. The Assyrians (in English), Asirios (in Spanish), Asuras or Ashuras (India), Ashuriya, Asuriya (Sumer and Babylonia), Asir (Arabia), Ahura (Persia), Suré in Central Mexico, etc., were people who worshipped Surya (the Sun).

Naturally, in areas where this religion prevailed, they were known as "Assyrians," no matter what the real names of their respective kingdoms were.

Another problem that western scholars have in identifying the Indo-Europeans as Indians is that India was not then and never was a nation. Furthermore, it is not "India." It is Bharata, and even Bharata is not a nation. Bharata is a collection of nations, just as Europe is a collection of nations, presently held together by the real or perceived threat of Moslem expansionism. Indian scholars have told me that when and if this expansionism ever disappears, the "Bharata Union" will again splinter into many smaller nations.

"The Arabian historians contend that Brahma and Abraham, their ancestor, are the same person. The Persians generally called Abraham Ibrahim Zeradust. Cyrus considered the religion of the Jews the same as his own. The Hindoos must have come from Abraham, or the Israelites from Brahma..." (Anacalypsis; Vol. I, p. 396.)



Was our Abraham Really the Hindu Deity Ram?

Ram and Abraham were possibly the same person or clan. For example, the syllable "Ab" or "Ap" means "father" in Kashmiri. The prototypical Jews could have called Ram "Ab-Ram" or "Father Ram." It's also conceivable that the word "Brahm" evolved from "Ab-Ram" and not vice-versa. The Kashmiri word for "Divine Mercy," Raham, likewise derives from Ram. Ab-Raham = "Father of Divine Mercy." Rakham = "Divine Mercy" in Hebrew; Ram is also the Hebrew term for "highly placed leader or governor." Indian historian A. D. Pusalker, whose essay "Traditional History From the Earliest Times" appeared in The Vedic Age, said that Ram was alive in 1950 BC, which is about the time that Abraham, the Indo-Hebrews, and the Aryans made the greatest India-to-the-Middle East migration since the Great Flood.

"One of the shrines in the Kaaba was also dedicated to the Hindu Creator God, Brahma, which is why the illiterate prophet of Islam claimed it was dedicated to Abraham. The word "Abraham" is none other than a malpronunciation of the word Brahma. This can be clearly proven if one investigates the root meanings of both words. Abraham is said to be one of the oldest Semitic prophets. His name is supposed to be derived from the two Semitic words 'Ab' meaning 'Father' and 'Raam/Raham' meaning 'of the exalted.' In the book of Genesis, Abraham simply means 'Multitude.' The word Abraham is derived from the Sanskrit word Brahma. The root of Brahma is 'Brah' which means - 'to grow or multiply in number.' In addition Lord Brahma, the Creator God of Hinduism is said to be the Father of all Men and Exalted of all the Gods, for it is from him that all beings were generated. Thus again we come to the meaning 'Exalted Father.' This is a clear pointer that Abraham is none other than the heavenly father Brahma."

(Vedic Past of Pre-Islamic Arabia; Part VI; p.2.)



Several word-meanings can be extracted from "Abram," each of which points directly to his exalted position. Ab = "Father;" Hir or H'r = "Head; Top; Exalted;" Am = "People." Therefore, Abhiram or Abh'ram can mean "Father of the Exalted." Here's still another: Ab - î - Ram = "Father of the Merciful." Ab, also meaning "Snake," could indicate that Ab-Ram (Exalted Snake) was a Naga king. All the meanings that can be extracted from the compound word "Abraham" reveal the divine destiny of his followers. Hiram of Tyre, Solomon's close friend, was "Exalted People" or Ahi-Ram (Exalted Snake).

In ancient India, the Aryan cult was called "Brahm-Aryan." The Aryans worshiped multiple gods. Abraham turned away from polytheism. By so doing, he could have become "A-Brahm" (No longer a Brahman.) The Aryans called the Asuras "Ah-Brahm." Therefore, we can logically assume that the fathers of the Indus civilization were probably prototypical Jews.

Jerusalem was a Hittite (Indian hereditary leadership caste) city at the time of Abraham's death. In Genesis 23:4, Abraham asked the Jerusalem Hittites to sell him a burial plot. The Hittites answered, "...thou art a prince among us: in the choice of our sepulchres bury thy dead; none of us shall withhold from thee." (p. 6). If Abraham was revered as a prince by the Hittites, he, too, was a highly regarded member of India's hereditary ruling and warrior caste. The bible never did say that Abraham wasn't a Hittite. It just said, "I am a stranger and a sojourner with you." (Genesis 23:4.) As the Hittites said, they recognized Abraham as being even above them. Just as the Hittites were not a unique ethnicity, neither were the Amorites or Amarru. Marruta was the Indian caste name of commoners. The word "Amorite" (Marut) was the first caste name of the Indian Vaishyas: craftsmen, farmers, cattlemen, traders, etc.

G. D. Pande writes in Ancient Geography of Ayodhya, "Maruts represented the Visah. The Maruts are described as forming troops or masses. Rudra, the father of the Maruts, is the lord of cattle." (p. 177.) Malita J. Shendge states: "...the Maruts are the people." (The Civilized Demons; p. 314.) We should not be surprised to find the Khatti (Hittites) and Maruts (Amorites) functioning as the fathers (protectors) and mothers (helpmates or assistants) of Jerusalem.

In India, the Hittites were also known as Cedis or Chedis (pronounced Hatti or Khetti). Indian historians classify them as one of the oldest castes of the Yadavas. "The Cedis formed one of the most ancient tribes among the Ksatriyas (the aristocratic class made up of Hittites and Kassites) in early Vedic times. As early as the period of the Rgveda the Cedi kings had acquired great reknown... they are one of the leading powers in northern India in the great epic." (Yadavas Through the Ages, p. 90.) Ram or Rama also belonged to the Yadava clan. If our Abraham, Brahm, and Ram are the one and the same person, Abraham went to Jerusalem to be with his own people!

Ram's congregations segregated themselves in their own communities, called Ayodhya, which in Sanskrit means "The Unconquerable." The Sanskrit word for "fighter" is Yuddha or Yudh. Abraham and his group belonged to the Ayodhya (Yehudiya, Judea) congregation who remained aloof from non-believers and Amalekites (Aryans?).



Melchizadek... the sage of Salem

If what I have said thus far isn't convincing enough, maybe the word "Melchizedek" will be. Melchizedek was a king of Jerusalem who possessed secret mystical and magical powers. He was also Abraham's teacher.

Melik-Sadaksina was a great Indian prince, magician, and spiritual giant - the son of a Kassite king. In Kashmiri and Sanskrit, Sadak = "a person with magical, supernatural powers." A certain Zadok (Sadak?) was also a supernaturally-endowed priest who annointed Solomon. Why does the Kassite (of royal caste) Melik-Sadaksina, a mythical Indian personage, suddenly appear in Jerusalem as the friend and mentor of Abraham? According to Akshoy Kumar Mazumdar in The Hindu History, Brahm was the spiritual leader of the Aryans. As an Aryan (Not of Yah), he naturally believed in idols. The bible says that he even manufactured them. Upon seeing how increasing idol worship and religious guesswork were contributing to the further downfall of his people, Brahm backed away from Aryanism and reembraced the ancient Indian (Yah) philosophy (Cult of the MaterialUniverse) even though it, too, was foundering in manmade evils. He decided that mankind could save himself only by dealing with what was real; not the imagined.

Shocked at the barbarism and blind selfishness of the people, the wise men and educated people among the proto-Hebrews isolated themselves from the masses. Dr. Mazumdar wrote, "The moral fall was rapid. The seers and sages lived apart from the masses. They seldom married and were mostly given to religious contemplation. The masses, without proper light and leader, soon became vicious in the extreme. Rape, adultery, theft, etc., became quite common. Human nature ran wild. Brahma (Abraham) decided to reform and regenerate the people. He made the chief sages and seers to marry and mix with the people. Most refused to marry, but 30 agreed." Brahm married his half sister Saraisvati. These sages became known as prajapatis (progenitors).

"Northern Afghanistan was called Uttara Kuru and was a great center of learning. An Indian woman went there to study and received the title of Vak, i.e. Saraisvati (Lady Sarah). It is believed that Brahm, her teacher (and half brother), was so impressed by her beauty, education, and powerful intellect, that he married her." (The Hindu History; p. 48, in passim.)

From the holy community in Southern Afghanistan, similar communities spread all over the world: the whole of India, Nepal, Thailand, China, Egypt, Syria, Italy, the Philippines, Turkey, Persia, Greece, Laos, Iraq, - even the Americas! The linguistic evidence of Brahm's presence in various parts of the world is more than evident: Persian: Braghman (Holy); Latin: Bragmani (Holy); Russian: Rachmany (Holy); Ukranian Rachmanya (Priest; Holy); Hebrew: Ram (Supreme Leader); Norwegian From (Godly). A sacred word among the Hindus was and is the mystic syllable OM. It is associated eternally with the earth, sky, and heaven, the Triple Universe. It is also a name of Brahm. The Aztecs also worshiped and chanted the syllable OM as the dual principal of all creation: OMeticuhlti (Male Principle) and OMelcihuatl (Female Principle). The Mayan priestly caste was called Balam (pronounced B'lahm). Had an "R" sound existed in Mayan, it would have been Brahm. The Peruvian Incas worshiped the sun as Inti Raymi (Hindu Ram).

Names that undeniably derive from Rama literally pepper Native-American languages, especially the languages of those tribes extending from our American Southwest, to Mexico, and all the way to South America, beyond Peru. The Tarahumara Indians of Chihuahua are an ideal example. Their real name is Ra-Ram-Uri. As in Sumeria and Northern India, the Ra-Ram-Uri "Uri" = "People." Because the Spanish "R" is trilled, this "Uri" could also be Udi or Yuddhi, the Sanskrit name for "Warrior; Conqueror." Many Mexican tribes mention that a foreign race of Yuri once invaded their part of the world. The Ra-Ram-Uri sun god is Ono-Rúame. In Kashmiri, Ana = "Favorite Son;" The Ra-Ram-Uri moon goddess, the consort of Ono-Rúame, is Eve-Ruame. Kashmiri Hava = "Eve, or The Female Principle."

A Ra-Ram-Uri governor is called Si-Riame. In Sanskrit/Kashmiri, Su-Rama = "Great Rama." According to ancient Mexican legends, the Yoris belonged to a tribe called Surem (Su-Ram?) Before the conquest, Central Mexico and the American Southwest, as far as Eastern Colorado, were known as Suré. Suré = "Sun" in Kashmiri. The Tarahumara cure doctor or spiritual guide is an Owi-Ruame. In Sanskrit, Oph = "Hope." Their devil is called Repa-Bet-Eame. Kashmiri: Riphas (Appearance) + Buth (Malignant Spirit) + Yama (Angel of Death). Many other astonishing Kashmiri/Sanskrit correspondences appear in the Ra-Ram-Uri language. Their relation to ancient Phoenicia, Sumeria, and Northern India is beyond question.


The Phoenicians... global navigators.

Most people think of the Phoenicians as a tribe of sailor-traders that inhabited what is now Lebanon. However, the Pancika or Pani as the Hindus called them, or Puni, by the Romans (a name also derived from Rama), were, like gypsies, scattered all over the globe.

The Spaniards called the land of the Ra-Ram-Uri Chiahuahua, pronounced as Shivava by the natives themselves. In Sanskrit, Shivava = "Shiva's Temple." According to Hindu religious scholars, Ram and God Shiva were once the same deity. Shiva and Yah's (the same one we read about in the Bible) name are also prominent in Native-American religious practices and can be found inscribed as petroglyphs all over the American Southwest. (Refer to my book India Once Ruled the Americas!)

Ayodhya was also another name for Dar-es-Salam in African Tanzania and Jerusalem (Judea). It is true that the Jerusalemites were known as Yehudiya or Judeans (Warriors of Yah), a fact making the Jews' Indian origins incontrovertible.

There was no part of the ancient world, including China, that wasn't influenced by Ram's religious views. For example, Christians and Jews have been brainwashed to believe that Mohammed copied his teachings from Jewish sources. The truth is that in Mohammed's time, Ram or Abraham's theology was the foundation stone of all religious sects. All Mohammed did was to purge them of idol worship.


"...the Temple of Mecca was founded by a colony of Brahmins from India.it was a sacred place before the time of Mohamed, and.they were permitted to make pilgrimages to it for several centuries after his time. Its great celebrity as a sacred place long before the time of the prophet cannot be doubted." (Anacalypsis, Vol. I, p. 421.)

"...the city of Mecca is said by the Brahmins, on the authority of their old books, to have been built by a colony from India; and its inhabitants from the earliest era have had a tradition that it was built by Ishmael, the son of Agar. This town, in the Indus language, would be called Ishmaelistan." (Ibid, p. 424.)


Before Mohammed's time, The Hinduism of the Arab peoples was called Tsaba. Tsaba or Saba is a Sanskrit word, meaning "Assembly of the Gods ". Tsaba was also called Isha-ayalam (Shiva's Temple). The term Moslem or Moshe-ayalam (Shiva's Temple) is just another name of Sabaism. The word has now shrunk to Islam. Mohammed himself, being a member of the Quaryaish family, was at first a Tsabaist. The Tsabaists did not regard Abraham as an actual god, but as an avatar or divinely ordained teacher called Avather Brahmo (Judge of the Underworld).

At the time of Jesus, the respective languages, religious symbolism, and traditions of the Arabs and Jews were nearly identical. If we could take a time machine to the past, most of us would not see any real differences between the Arabs and Jews. History tells us that the Arabs of Christ's time worshiped idols. So did the lower class and rural Jews. For this reason, the Middle Eastern squabble between the Jews and the Moslems and the hate between the Moslems and Hindus in India are ridiculous. The Moslems are fighting the Jews and Hindus, or vice-versa, over nothing. All three groups sprang from the same source.

The Kashmiri-Sanskrit equivalent of Hebron (Khev'run in Hebrew) screams out the Indian origins of Jerusalem's earliest inhabitants: Khab'ru (grave; tomb). (See Grierson's Dictionary.; p. 382.) Even in Hebrew, Kever = "Tomb."


Indian linguist and orientalist Maliti J. Shendge's The Languages of Harappans welds together, once and for all, West Asia and the Indus Valley civilization. Not only does she prove that Harappa was Akkadian and Sumerian, she also proves that the first "Abraham" was none other than Adam before Eve was created from one of his ribs.

"...it may be said that the region from Tigris-Euphrates to the Indus and its east was inhabited by the Akkadian speaking Semites who later called themselves as Asshuraiu. Their Indian name as known from Rgveda is 'Asura' which is not far removed. That this region should be inhabited by different clans of the same ethos is not very surprising. It would however be wrong to think that it was a racially homogenous group. As our linguistic evidence shows it was a mixed population of the Akkadians and Sumerians. The other ethnic groups also may have been present, whose traces may be looked for in future work. This mixed composition of the population is not inconsistent with the present state of knowledge, as the presence of these ethnic elements in the Indus valley only confirms and extends an identical demographic pattern, which was in existence probably from the earliest times of prehistory and civilization.

"If these Akkadians were the same as the West Asian clan, there should have been an equal preponderance of this primaeval couple in the Vedic mythology. However, beyond one cryptic reference, there is no reference to them. This was baffling. It seemed unlikely that this clan was without the primaeval parents, though their god was Asura. The predominance of Brahman in RV as the primaeval father is there which is also inadequate as he is male principle alone. A close look at Brahman revealed its ancestry to be made of two words Abu + Rahmu which is the primaeval pair in the Semitic mythology. The Akkadian counterpart of Rahmu is Lahmu which later became goddess Laksmi, born in the sea and courted by both gods and demons. Lahmu is a dragon in Akkadian but in Ugaratic Rahmu is the lass of Abu. Brahma (abu + rahmu = abrahma = brahma) all the changes postulated here being covered in the above correspondences, or lass of Abu, the supreme Semitic godhood, has undergone many transformations and has many counterparts in the Indian pantheon, amongst whom is Laksmi one of the important ones being worshipped as the goddess of all material creation. Thus the Asura clan of the Indus valley worshipped Abu-Rahmu as the primaeval couple."

(pp.269 - 270.)


Ms. Shendge's research really strengthens my conviction that the remains of Abraham and Sarai in Hebron may really be those of the real Brahm and Saraisvati. Our Abraham was evidently a priest, perhaps even the founder, of the Abu-Rahmu (Adam and Eve) cultus, who brought his monotheistic religion to West Asia. Though he and Sarai were deified in various forms back in their native India, they remained as humans in Judaism.

[anthony65]

What an interesting thread! :)

To be copied, printed out and read with a glass of red wine (or two) while sitting in a comfy chair with the children packed off to bed... :D

[synergy777]

What an interesting thread! :)

To be copied, printed out and read with a glass of red wine (or two) while sitting in a comfy chair with the children packed off to bed... :D

cheers, this one of my fave areas of the whole truth/conspiracy stuff, the global vedic culture. it fascinates as there are links thats coonect all global cultures, throughout history. from the whole atlantis/lemuria, to egypt/india/middle east/americas, to europe eg celts, romans, modern day. its a global cultural timeline that i am trying to construct.

[anthony65]

cheers, this one of my fave areas of the whole truth/conspiracy stuff, the global vedic culture. it fascinates as there are links thats coonect all global cultures, throughout history. from the whole atlantis/lemuria, to egypt/india/middle east/americas, to europe eg celts, romans, modern day. its a global cultural timeline that i am trying to construct.


So am I! :)

The Big Picture! :D

[itsallundercontrol]

phew.....more great info yet again synergy777 and i still haven't finished it

thanks man keep it up

[astrochicken]

From another thread here on megaliths, the fresians and celtic origins

Just noting the similarities.

"Runes are descended from the Frisian alphabet"

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and here's the Hebrew Alphabet (Aleph Bais) descended from the magan star.

http://i135.photobucket.com/albums/q143/TorahJudaismAndIsrael/1aleph-tetinMagenDavid.jpg
http://i135.photobucket.com/albums/q143/TorahJudaismAndIsrael/2youd-tzadiinMagenDavid.jpg
http://i135.photobucket.com/albums/q143/TorahJudaismAndIsrael/3kooftonoonsofitinMagenDavid.jpg


Both depicting a 2 dimensional view of this

http://www.crystalinks.com/movmerkaba.gif

[synergy777]

bump

[synergy777]

‘ History cannot be permanently falsified; the myth cannot stand up to the scrutiny of scientific research; the sinister web will be brought into the light and torn to pieces, however artfully it has been spun.’

Dr. Jacob Ruchti - 1916

[mephibosheth]

Bump indeed. These are really fascinating threads.

:)

[richanpoor]

hey synergy! saat sri akaal.

I have just come upon this thread and I am going to start reading it all properly now. I just wanted to thankyou for posting all this info. nice one bro!

couple of questions for you -

have you read any of the David Frawley books and what are your opinions and also have you read The Cosmology of the Bhagavat Purana by Richard Thompson

There is a video link here Part 1 - Hindu Cosmology - Bhagavatam - Mysteries of the Sacred Universe - YouTube

[shaivite]

hey synergy! saat sri akaal.

have you read any of the David Frawley books and what are your opinions and also have you read The Cosmology of the Bhagavat Purana by Richard Thompson


I've read maybe two or three of Frawley's works, the one I was particularly impressed with was his book on the Mahavidya's and Tantra. The first section on Tantra is probably one of the best general introductions to Tantra that I've read. He covers most of the themes of Tantra, though not with great depth but enough to give an accurate overview of traditional Hindu Tantra. For anyone wanting a general overview of what genuine Tantra (not westernized neo-Tantra) is I recommend this work.

A link if anyone is interested - Tantric Yoga: And the Wisdom Goddesses: Amazon.co.uk: David Frawley: Books@@AMEPARAM@@http://ecx.images-amazon.com/images/I/51c9jTu-83L.@@AMEPARAM@@51c9jTu-83L

[synergy777]

thanks to runciter

http://jrbooksonline.com/HTML-docs/Phoenician_Origin_ch23.htm

ARYAN PHŒNICIAN RACIAL ELEMENT IN THE MIXED

RACE OF THE BRITISH ISLES AND ITS EFFECT ON

PROGRESS OF BRITISH CIVILIZATION

E have found, by a mass of concrete attested facts and other cumulative confirmatory evidence, that Civilization properly so-called is synonymous with Aryanization; and that it was first introduced into Britain in the Stone Age, about 2800 B.C., or earlier, by Hitto-Phœnician "Catti," or Early Gothic sea-merchants from the Levant engaged in the Tin, Bronze and Amber trade and industries, who were Aryans in Speech, Script and Race—tall, fair, broad-browed and long-headed. Of the leading clan of Aryans, they bore the patronymic of Barat or "Brit-on," and, settling on the island of Albion, conquering and civilizing the dusky aborigines therein, they gave their own patronymic to it, calling it "Barat-ana" or "Brit-ain" or "Land of the Barats or Brits."



There were several successive waves of immigration of this Aryan Catti-Barat civilizing stock from the coast of Asia Minor and Syria-Phœnicia by way of the Mediterranean into the British Isles; and the different sections of that Aryan civilizing race called themselves variously Muru or Martu ("Amorite"), Cymr, Somer or Cumber, Barat or Briton, Goth or Gad, Catti, Ceti, Cassi, Xat or Scot, or Sax or Sax-on.



Their descendants continued to be the ruling race therein until modern times, excepting the Roman period, though even then several sections continued to maintain their independence in Wales, Cumbria, Scotland and Ireland. The later invaders, Jutes, Angles, Saxons, Norse, Danes and Normans were merely kindred North Sea colonists of the same Aryan racial Catti or Gothic stock; while the minor immigrations of batches of Belgians and others from the Continent into South Britain, mentioned by Caesar, do not appear to have been racially Aryan. And we have seen that the fair round-heads of Germanic type of the East Coast and Midlands were also racially non-Aryan.



The Phœnician Catti or Gothic Aryan strain, derived from the first civilizers of Britain, although more or less mixed with aboriginal blood in the course of centuries, has nevertheless still survived in tolerable purity, as evidenced by the typically Aryan physique of great numbers of their descendants. And it constitutes the leading Aryan element in the present-day population of these isles, the mass and substratum of which, although now Aryanized in speech and customs, still remain preponderatingly of the non-Aryan physical type of the "Iberian" aborigines, and are racially neither Briton nor British, nor Anglo-Saxon, English, nor Scot, properly so-called.



It is desirable now to examine the extent of the intermixture of these Aryan and non-Aryan races in the British Isles, and its apparent and probable effects on the progress of British Civilization.



[p. 365] The Early Aryan Gothic invaders and civilizers are seen to have been essentially a race of highly-civilized ruling aristocrats; and relatively few in numbers in proportion to the aboriginal population of the country. In physical type they were of the Aryan race, that is to say, tall-statured, fair-complexioned, with blue or greyish eyes, broad-browed and long-headed, as opposed to the small-statured, dark-complexioned, narrow-browed, and long-headed Pictish "Iberian" aborigines of the Stone Age, and the fringe of somewhat superior-cultured Stone Age race of medium-sized, fair-complexioned, broad-browed, but round-headed Slavonic or Germanic Huns, the beaker-using men of the "Round Barrows," who came from the Baltic and Germany, who settled along the East Coast and in the Midlands; and whose descendants still exist there to a considerable extent at the present day in relatively pure form. {This "Germanic" round-headed type is still marked along the East Coast. Thus, whereas Glasgow has only 2 per cent. of round-heads, Edinburgh has 25 per cent. (Sir A. Keith, in address to Universities Club from Glasgow Herald, Nov. 25, 1921).} It is presumably the bones of these Early Aryan Gothic invaders which are found in the Stone Cists (as at Keiss) and in the Dolmens, and also to some extent in the Long Barrow graves, though in the latter alongside are some skulls of the narrow-browed and small-statured aboriginal type, with cephalic indices so low as 73.73, suggesting some racial intermixture even at that early period. {Prof. Parsons has recently shown that the Long Barrow race differs little in their skull form from the modern average inhabitants of London. —J.R.A.I., 1921, 55, etc. Most of the Long Barrow skulls figured by him have relatively broad brows; cp. Figs. on pp. 63 and 64 ib.} But it seems probable that the bodies of the Aryans were largely cremated, as Fire was a heavenly vehicle in the Sun-cult, and there are references in the Gothic Eddas, as well as in Homer, in regard to the Trojans, to the committing the bodies of heroes to the funeral pyre.



Anterior to the arrival of Brutus about 1103 B.C. the Catti-Phœnician occupation of Albion appears to have been only very partial and sporadic with little intermixing with the aborigines. These early "prehistoric" exploiters of the Tin, Copper, Gold and Lead mines, and jet and Amber trades, appear to have been floating colonies of merchant seamen and adventurers, who at first occupied strategic islets or peninsular seaports off-lying the chief native trade marts or mines, such as the Phœnicians usually selected for defensive purposes in most of their early colonies, on the model of Tyre, Sidon, Acre, Aradus, Carthage and Gades (or Cadiz). Of such a character are Ictis or St. Michael's Mount, Wight, Gower, the Aran isles off Galway, Dun Barton, Inch Keith, etc. Later they established themselves inland in the hinterland of their ports, as evidenced by their Stone Circles and other rude megalith monuments, which were chiefly, as we have seen, in the neighbourhood of their mines, or near their flint-factories for the manufacture of high-quality stone implements for their mines and miners, when Bronze was still too precious to spare. And these Early Phœnician pioneer exploiters of the mineral wealth of Albion do not appear to have attempted any systematic Aryanization or colonization of the country, or to have settled there with their wives and families to any considerable extent. What early civilization the aborigines of Albion then received was mainly through being employed in the mines and workshops of the Phœnicians.

Permanent settlement with systematic civilization and colonization with cultivation appears to have begun only with the arrival of Brutus and his Britons about 1103 B.C. They brought their wives and families with them. They were strictly monogamists, as was the Aryan custom. At first they appear to have lived apart from the aborigines in home towns and villages of their own by themselves, presumably from their exclusive racial instincts, or possibly in part for self-defence, being so few in numbers. This is evidenced by the great number of the earliest towns and ports bearing merely their own Aryan racial or tribal names. It is supported also by the British Chronicle tradition that Brutus "made choice of the citizens that were to inhabit" his first-founded city—London. The relationship and attitude of these highly-civilized Aryan invaders towards the primitive Stone Age aborigines of Alban or Britain must have been much of the same aloof kind as obtains at the present day in the contact between civilized Europeans and the primitive races in Africa, Asia and America. And the comparative fewness of these ruling Aryans to the mass of the indigenous population may perhaps be compared to the few handfuls of British civil servants who suffice nowadays to rule large dependencies of the British Empire.



Intermarriage of the Aryans with the non-Aryan uncivilized primitive people of a different colour and inferior mentality was naturally repugnant to the racial instinct. And even marriage with an aboriginal princess was viewed with disfavour. Thus we have Virgil lamenting in regard to the re-marriage of Æneas, the great-grandfather of the Aryan king Brutus, with a native princess in his Italian exile:



"An alien bride is the Trojan's bane once more." {Æneid, 6, 94.}



As time went on, however, and the Aryans multiplied, and in the meantime the aborigines had gradually been raised in the scale of civilization by passing through the mill of Aryanization in speech, customs and habits of life, a certain amount of intermarriage would doubtless begin to take place. Especially was this likely to happen under the usual policy of the Hitto-Phœnician statesmen, who early recognized that the stability of the state depended largely on its being based upon Nationality. Hence in their colonies, as seen in Asia Minor, Mesopotamia, the Levant, Ancient Greece, etc., they were in the habit in their city-states of welding together the diverse racial and tribal units of a region into one Nation, united by the bonds forged by a common Aryan Speech, and by living together under the same Aryan Laws, with equal rights of citizenship and a common patriotism. For the Hitto-Phœnicians were the founders of Free Institutions and Representative Government. {Details Aryan Origins.}


As a result of this more or less free intermixture of non-Aryan blood with the Aryan, operating through many centuries, there is now, perhaps, no such thing as an absolutely pure-blooded Aryan left in the British Isles. Yet in spite of the free mingling that has taken place, it must be evident even to the casual observer that there still exists at the present day, a considerable proportion. of the population in the British Isles which is relatively pure-blooded Aryan in physical type, just as the round-headed Stone Age Germanic type has still survived in their original location along the East Coast in relatively pure form. {See footnote, p. 365.}



Tending to conserve the Aryan type, by restraining free intermixture with other races, is the conscious or subconscious racial instinct which has been variously called "race pride," "race prejudice" or "race antipathy," as has been shown by Sir Arthur Keith and other anthropologists. These observers remark that this feeling still exists to the present day in the British Isles, and is exhibited as between the fair Lowland Scots and the dark or "Celtic" Highlanders, between fair Irish and the dark "Iberian" Hibernian "Celts," and between the fair Cymri and the dark Welsh and Devon and Cornish "Celts."


much more at the links.

[synergy777]

hey synergy! saat sri akaal.

I have just come upon this thread and I am going to start reading it all properly now. I just wanted to thankyou for posting all this info. nice one bro!

couple of questions for you -

have you read any of the David Frawley books and what are your opinions and also have you read The Cosmology of the Bhagavat Purana by Richard Thompson

There is a video link here http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jmeQB2XkyqA&feature=related

cheers bro.

i have read steven knapp, gene matlock, the viewzone website etc, post any links you have bro.

theres a good wesbite check this:

http://www.hinduwisdom.info/index_new.htm

http://www.hinduwisdom.info/War_in_Ancient_India.htm

http://www.hinduwisdom.info/Vimanas.htm

http://www.hinduwisdom.info/quotes1_20.htm

[nihil]

On a Linguistic side:

Druida <--- Dravida

Awesome thread indeed .

[synergy777]

On a Linguistic side:

Druida <--- Dravida

Awesome thread indeed .

good spot, bro.

bump for eternal spirit.

[nihil]

Let's add that the holy Makkah, where Muslims go on pilgrimage, was originally an hindu site . I just assume that the monotheistic religions of the near east and western world HAVE some linkage with the hindu religion - being the latter an ancient and well-organized way of living tout-court, a complete philosophical, religious and social system that should have influenced the more recent religions . Now, stated that religions have links between them, a positive comparison of their principles could give some good hints to develop a better spirituality on a global scale . Just read some books from Joseph Campbell to see a real hero, fascinated by all those spiritual paths of the past, present and future .

Enjoy Simple Life . :)

[haukipesukone]

*subs*

[synergy777]

i don't know much about the falashas, but as for the star od david, its similar/connected to a vedic symbol called the shatkona. its combination of two triangles, one up and one down, which together make the star.

Shatkona - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

The Shatkona is a symbol used in Hindu yantra that represents the union of both the male and feminine form. More specifically it is supposed to represent Purusha (the supreme being), and Prakriti (mother nature, or causal matter). Often this is represented as Shiva - Shakti.[1]

The Shatkona is a hexagram and looks exactly like the Star of David in Semitic lore.

http://symboldictionary.net/?p=1533


Hexagram (Shatkona, Seal of Solomon)

A hexagram is a six pointed star composed of two overlapped triangles, found in use by a number of faiths and cultures. Outside of the cross and the swastika, the hexagram is one of the oldest and most universal spiritual symbols. The hexagram is associated with the Biblical Solomon, best known as the Star of David in the Jewish religion.

The Seal of Solomon

In Ritual Magick, the hexagon is called the Seal of Solomon, and represents Divine Union, being composed of a female, watery triangle, and a male, fiery triangle. The traditional elemental triangles of earth, air, water, and fire are derived from the seal. According to a very old legend, the seal was engraved upon a magic ring, which Solomon used to control demons, which he enslaved to build his famous temple. When the points of a hexagram are connected, a hexagon is formed. Kabbalistically, the hexagram represents the Sefirah Tifaret, perfection.

Hindu Shatkona In the Hindu religion, the hexagram is called the Shatkona, and is equivalent to the symbolism in ritual magic. The Shatkona is the combination of the Shiva kona (trikona, triangle), the symbol of the God Shiva, representing the element of fire, and the Shakti kona, representing the element of water. Together, they represent the union of male and female, and the heart chakra.

[chanakya]

As an Indian raised in Europe, I always felt great cultural identity with the Irish, Welsh and Brittany French...and I had exposure to them all.

Your views are substantiated in two books.

The first: India and Europe, Wilhelm Halbfass - Motilal Banarsidass

The second: The Journey of the Upanishads to the West, Swami Tathagatananda.

For example, are you aware there are schools of thought that claim: that the ancient Brehon law of Ireland is modelled on Manu Smriti and that the German Enlightenment immediately followed Duperron's translation of the Upanishads into Latin, circa 1700's?

[haukipesukone]

I finally started reading this thread. Great stuff.

So Christ and Krishna are related somehow. When I heard "Hare Krishna" I used to joke "Jesus was a rabbit". It's something that's too obvious so most people don't notice the resemblance.

One thing that springed to mind was avatars. There's the new movie and everybody uses an avatar on the internet. Metatron is Yahveh's avatar like Hindu gods have avatars too, right? An avatar is a manifestation of a being in this world. Gods exist somewhere else, but they can affect this world through avatars? Just like we exist in this world, but we can affect electronic worlds through our avatars.

[octopusrex]

http://img517.imageshack.us/img517/284/bharatmatajh5.png

http://img403.imageshack.us/img403/7253/britanniawo0.jpg


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http://irishoriginsofcivilization.com/appendices/appendix8.html

thanks to tsarion


BRITAIN
From the goddess Baratana and the name of India, given by the Indo-Europeans, who later came to England. Today the name of India is Bharat. The Indians were known as the Barats or Parats. English are the Brits.

INDIA
Derives from the ancient word Sindh, which relates to the Cult of the Moon. The Lunar Cult was very strong in Asia, as a look at the various flags and emblems will confirm. The myth of Cinderella, comes from this, the fact that the moon was considered the bride of the sun, that she wedded when entering into the sign of Leo, the sun's "palace."

Now we are really beginning to understand Aryan Gods. Excellent.
Synergy, try to tie this in to Baron Samedi.

[synergy777]

Now we are really beginning to understand Aryan Gods. Excellent.
Synergy, try to tie this in to Baron Samedi.

cheers bro.

who is baron samedi, any links/pdfs etc.

[synergy777]

As an Indian raised in Europe, I always felt great cultural identity with the Irish, Welsh and Brittany French...and I had exposure to them all.

Your views are substantiated in two books.

The first: India and Europe, Wilhelm Halbfass - Motilal Banarsidass

The second: The Journey of the Upanishads to the West, Swami Tathagatananda.

For example, are you aware there are schools of thought that claim: that the ancient Brehon law of Ireland is modelled on Manu Smriti and that the German Enlightenment immediately followed Duperron's translation of the Upanishads into Latin, circa 1700's?

bro do you have any pdf's/links, these books sound awesome.

the connections to india are obvious eg blavatsky/theosophical books contain loads of indian knowledge.

[astrochicken]

I've only just discovered this great thread.

Still have to digest it.

[synergy777]

I've only just discovered this great thread.

Still have to digest it.

thanks, i was heavily into this stuff, but i have hit a glass ceiling with the data, i can't find anymore stuff on the net. thus if anyone can add data, please feel free to do so, it would be greatly appreciated.

[Mo0n5tar]

Have you read Anacalypsis or Godfrey Higgens book on the Druids Synergy?

[octopusrex]

cheers bro.

who is baron samedi, any links/pdfs etc.

Baron Samedi is the dude that ... Rocked Haiti.:)

I'll give you a little help:

Indra = Donner = Chango

Folks who forget their Gods are destined to get their ass kicked by them.

The reasons are simple:

1. The Gods are NOT human.
2. They live a LONG time.
3. They have PERFECT memory.

[chanakya]

bro do you have any pdf's/links, these books sound awesome.

the connections to india are obvious eg blavatsky/theosophical books contain loads of indian knowledge.

Hi and sorry - haven't checked in for some time.

The books and other good links include:

1. Orientalism - Edward Said
2. http://www.shriramsharma.com/chapters_13,_14,_15.htm
3. http://www.indiadivine.org/audarya/hinduism/24039-shiva-worship-ancient-arabia.html
4. Consider the similarity of the one Aramaic instance of "Maranatha" in the bible with the "Amarnath" caves in India dedcicated to Lord Shiva.
5. www.tombofjesus.com - Google Search