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anoninnyc
14-02-2007, 09:09 AM
sex is a good way to awaken the kundalini. any thoughts on the way religions have put down women and sex?
thoth
14-02-2007, 02:56 PM
Mild trauma. Deny the body its needs and you can cause trauma (Maslow's heirarchy of needs).
seamus
14-02-2007, 06:11 PM
I think it started with a good idea. Children come from sex (duh) and those children SHOULD be considered the most important thing in the adults lives who created them.
Promiscuity essentially deprives children of the security of knowing their parents and knowing beyond a doubt that they love each other. It's very important that children know that their parents love each other. In a selfish, promiscuity-promoting world, childhood mental disorders have been on the rise. I am talking about depression and dissociative disorders, eating disorders, NOT ADD/ADHD, which my sister-in-law has convinced my brother that he has, and tries to tell me I have. What a load of horse hockey. When I was a child, I was ravaged by depression, because I felt unlovable, since my parents divorced and hated each other. Of course I "knew" it was my fault! All children of broken homes feel that way, if their parents were together long enough for them to see the breakup happen.
So YES I am saying that if you create a child, that child is more important than YOU. You have created a totally helpless being who depends upon you completely for its health and well-being.
Then you get the power-tripping Nicolaitans thinking, hey we could use this to control people, just like thoth said. Then it all went to pot.
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aznality
28-02-2007, 08:32 AM
I remember when my parents used to be Jehovah's Witnesses, they were taught that masturbation is a sinful act. Not exactly sex, but it's still on the lines of sexual acts. Apparently other Christian denominations think it is bad too.
rcrist
19-03-2007, 07:29 PM
sex is a good way to awaken the kundalini. any thoughts on the way religions have put down women and sex?
What do you think about pornography?
I remember when my parents used to be Jehovah's Witnesses, they were taught that masturbation is a sinful act.
oh boy, i'm in big trouble, HELP ME BABY JESUS, HEEEELP ME!!! :D
intruder
19-03-2007, 07:47 PM
One promised heaven through abstinence....one promised heaven through indulgence.
Both lied.
See author Sam Keen's, "The Passionate Life"
Brilliant essay!!
sex is a good way to awaken the kundalini. any thoughts on the way religions have put down women and sex?
From "Making Love", by Barry Long
Woman’s basic unhappiness, her perennial discontent, is because man can no longer reach her physically. Her emotional excess, depressions, tearful frustrations, even premenstrual tension and the conditions leading to hysterectomy and other uterine problems, are due to man’s sexual failure to gather or release in lovemaking her finest, fundamental, female energies. These extraordinarily beautiful divine energies are intense and exquisite and when left untapped in woman, as they are now, they degenerate into psychic or emotional disturbances, and eventually crystallise into physical abnormalities. The womb gives birth to all things.
Man’s basic unhappiness, his perennial restlessness, is because in forgetting how to make love he’s abandoned his original divine authority and lost sexual control of himself. His emotional or psychic degeneracy manifests as sex obsession. All men, without exception, are sex obsessed. This means compulsive sexual fantasising, chronic masturbation (even when living with a partner), sex repression leading to anger and violence, and the universal symptoms of chasing wealth and getting lost in work. Busyness and wealth-gathering compensate for being an inept lover and are cover-ups (in both sexes) for the inability or fear to love.
Because of his neglect of love, neglect of woman, man suffers from premature ejaculation, guilt, anxiety self-doubt, impotence, sexual atrophy masquerading as sexual disinterest, sexual abstinence due to repressed fear of failure, sexual bravado and lack of true wisdom - all of which he inflicts on woman, aggravating her basic discontent and his own restlessness.
No matter how much a woman loves her man and wants to give her love to him, she will not and cannot give up all her divine energies if he is not yet himself, fully integrated or aligned with love. As very few men are themselves, the gap of unhappiness between man and woman keeps on growing.
To be a fully integrated male, a man has to assimilate in his body the divine female energies that woman can only release to him through right physical lovemaking. But the man has to be man enough. He has to be able to love her enough; that is, love her selflessly during the actual act of lovemaking. He has to be able to absorb and express sufficient love in his body to reach the highest part of her, and love enough to extract the divine energies from her deepest centre. To be able to love in this way is the authority man has lost - his only true authority over woman.
This requires pure love. It does not depend on technique. A man may develop his sexual technique but he cannot use expertise to make divine love. Exciting sensations are gratifying and give him a form of authority, but they are not the love that woman craves. He may satisfy her, like a good meal. But soon she hungers again and eventually despises her appetite or herself, because she knows she is not being loved.
http://www.barrylong.org/statements/makinglove.shtml
Barry's a little hard-core for my taste, but this resonates for me, just in general terms of the sexual malaise that exists in modern society today. they didn't have nor need viagra in indigenous societies.
and, with respect to man having to access feminine energy through the female, i strongly disagree with him. in the taoist system of sexual energy, both sexes hold the potential to access yin and yang without a partner.
all this sexual dysfuntion and commoditization of sex is right up the ill.'s alley. sexual energy is the most powerful we have access to as human's, they know it, and they've been trying to beat it out of us for thousands of years.
intruder
19-03-2007, 08:54 PM
OVert genital fixation can contribute to an arrested state of awareness...solo or with a partner...or 2? or 3. Have you ever been with a partner, yet your "lovemaking" just feels like mutual masturbation? To limit the expression of eros merely to the sexual displays a lack of awareness and creativity. DID the greeks have an easier time of it through the subdivision of "love" into "eros", "agape", and "philia"? Can we not learn to unite the 3 as expressions of our creativity. Eros can extend into other areas of your life..as well as the selfless notion of love described as "agape"....and certainly some of you here must feel the "philia", or brotherly love that one member extends to the next.
43 and still learning!!
intruder
19-03-2007, 09:11 PM
Yeah...I'd have to say that Hefner (and all that followed in his rather innocous wake) has done more to "villify" sex and women than religion. According to some, Hefner is now a Viagra popping polygamist who requires gay porn to be playing while he "makes love" to one of his "bunnies". Arrested development anyone? Over-indulgence has probably rendered him insensate.
I'm not here to moralize, as each has his/her own life-lessons to learn.
Hefner's air-brushed fantasies have probably left more than one woman feeling less than adequate. So starved for the love she wants she turns to it's opposite and becomes overtly promiscous, slutty if you will. It's been my experience that men do not marry sluts. This is NOT a gender issue ladies...so no flame-throwing please. Recently, we've heard the term man-whore. He feels that women are just a notch on his meaningless gun....
We're SO "modern", yet still so befuddled & confounded by sex....
why is that?
A piece of latex or a "pill" cannot stand in the way of millions of years of evolution. Let's leave "god" and religion out of the picture for a moment.
OVert genital fixation can contribute to an arrested state of awareness...solo or with a partner...or 2? or 3. Have you ever been with a partner, yet your "lovemaking" just feels like mutual masturbation? To limit the expression of eros merely to the sexual displays a lack of awareness and creativity. DID the greeks have an easier time of it through the subdivision of "love" into "eros", "agape", and "philia"? Can we not learn to unite the 3 as expressions of our creativity. Eros can extend into other areas of your life..as well as the selfless notion of love described as "agape"....and certainly some of you here must feel the "philia", or brotherly love that one member extends to the next.
43 and still learning!!
thanks intruder. that's very insightful.
still, there's nothing like a full-body orgasm to expand consciousness! :D
neondestiny
20-03-2007, 12:37 AM
The denial of our natural sexual selves in religion was just another illuminati ploy to control the sheeple and it worked. Constantine is largely responsible for the whole no sex before marriage in the bible.
seamus
20-03-2007, 06:24 AM
Constantine?!? You mean that bugger who boiled his wife alive? What a dick.
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The denial of our natural sexual selves in religion was just another illuminati ploy to control the sheeple and it worked. Constantine is largely responsible for the whole no sex before marriage in the bible.
don't forget our good friend st. augustine, who was so sex-crazed himself in his youth that he had to project his own lust and lack of self-discipline onto women. yes, these two were the dynamic duo of sexual repression and denial.
friendsinthesky
20-03-2007, 11:20 AM
still, there's nothing like a full-body orgasm to expand consciousness! :D
..enter Tibetan Rite No:6... It's not a myth, it's the real deal.:D
anoninnyc
21-03-2007, 02:47 AM
whats that?
..enter Tibetan Rite No:6... It's not a myth, it's the real deal.:D
number six, huh? i never got that far. i thought there were only five.
doh! :mad:
mantak chia, multiorgasmic man/woman/couple series:
http://www.positivehealth.com/permit/Articles/Interviews/larth42.htm
and for the ladies...
http://womenshealth.about.com/od/sexualhealthissues/a/taoismsexuality.htm
enjoy!
p.s. a little surprise toward the end of the article. hint: the shining ones. i had never heard about this in connection with taoism.
friendsinthesky
21-03-2007, 02:02 PM
"Tibetan #6 restricted exercise
The series of Five Tibetan exercises described above can be practiced two or three times a day everyday during the entire lifetime. In contrast, the following exercise, according to Lamas, has a very special purpose and it should be practiced only in circumstances described below. If you are not sure, and do not practice the first five exercises regularly, do not practice this exercise. You have been warned.
The purpose of the Tibetan #6 exercise is to redirect the excess of sexual and reproductive energy, generated by the activity of the base chakra to all higher chakras along the spine, especially to the brow chakra, which activity is related to our spiritual awareness and psychic abilities. According to Lamas this exercise should be practiced only when the excess of the sexual urge is experienced, otherwise this exercise does more harm than good, by draining the energy from the base chakra.
By systematically practising the first five Tibetan exercises it is quite possible to raise the energy of the base chakra so much, that the sexual urge appears and needs to be dealt with. This can happen at any age.
One way to handle the situation is to dissipate this powerful energy in sexual activities. The Tibetan alternative is to transmute it to higher use, to accelerate our spiritual development and rejuvenate the body. Instead of dissipating the reproductive energy you can use it to regenerate cells in your entire body. The choice is yours, you have the free will, as always.
In my opinion, sexual activity without sincere love and a spiritually matched partner is like going to a forest and not seeing trees. Or enrolling at a University just to have lunch in the canteen.
Sexual love should be a spiritual union, bringing experiences and sensations far more profound, pleasurable, longer lasting and beneficial than just a physical act of relief.
In the absence of a perfect partner, Tibetan Lamas offer us the alternative, verified over many thousands of years to be not only effective, but also very beneficial to our health, longevity, bio-energy level, Aura and most importantly to our spiritual development. They do not try to suppress the powerful energy of the base chakra. Such suppression is destined to fail, much as any act against the Nature. They offer an efficient way to transmute it for the higher purpose.
Tibetan #6 differs in many ways from all of the previously described Tibetan exercises. Firstly, it is one of the easiest to perform from the physical body motion point of view, hardly requiring any diagram. Secondly, it involves a special breath control, requiring a prolonged holding of the breath, rather than breathing rhythmically. The third difference is that after each cycle of Tibetan #6 several cycles of deep breathing are required. Another difference is that no more than three repeats are recommended for most people."
The monks advise celibacy to practice the 6th Rite, so is only of use to those who are abstaining from sex.
http://personaldevelopmentinstitute.com/five_rites_of_rejuvenation.htm
The sequence of Tibetan #6 is as follows:
the reason i like the taoist system is because it draws the chi down the front of the body, back out of the brain. too much chi in the brain can cause kundalini psychosis. it's more of a cycle than a drawing up.
the meridian points on the front of the body are smaller and require patience to "open", but the effect of the "cosmic" chi coming into the body through them is amazing. it balances out the "personal" chi in a way that's hard to describe.
intruder
21-03-2007, 02:31 PM
I feel I must retract what I said regarding Hugh Hefner and his innocous "playboy mystique." Some have suggested that Marylin Monroe was the first sex-slave that "they" made public. As you know, she was playboy magazines first cover model as well. Perhaps Hefner has "vivified" women. A stapled, centrefold...air-brushed to perfection for your tittilation...
Anna-Nicole Smith made playboy as well. I'm a free-speech advocate and I do abhor censorship. Perhaps I contradict myself as well...because in "my" world there IS NO PLACE, absolutely NONE, for child-porn, exploitation, paedophilia...And let's face it...just because a girl is 18, is no indication of maturity...she's still a child. Anyway...we all know what has followed in the wake of playboy. Cynically exploiting the shield offered by the 1st amendment..it's become a no-HOLES-barred tag-team grudge match against the cultural subverters...pornographers.
Again...arrested development. i.e Play "boy"....tittilated by "bunnies"
rcrist
21-03-2007, 02:40 PM
You guys are losing the plot. Who has been trying to turn the "sheeple" into sex addicts by way of the media. Illuminati! They want you to run around having sex and indulging in all sins imaginable. All I ever seem to see is sex on TV and our society gets worse and worse because of it. Especially women! Pornography is a prime example of female liberation and illuminati power, discusting. Before the sixties was there anything wrong with christian society NO! So the reptililian illuminati start a massive hippy liberal movement with the main sign being the symbol of defeated christianity and everyone making the sign of satan. Now society is a shit hole and you lot are wanting to be hippies again WOW!
Sexual feelings should be controlled, we are civilised not animals. Religion gave us marrige which is a great way to find a life long partner and to have lots of kids. Religion has not villified sex. Sex is for reproducing NOT hippy drug gangbangs.
intruder
21-03-2007, 02:47 PM
Loud and CLEAR my friend!!! The cultural subversion through hyper-sexuality has been and remains their most effective method at destroying the family and the dignity of women.WHY? because of the inherent power of sex.
Kundalini awakening and ALL that aside. Let's return to sex and it's primal function. hopefully....a union between a man and a woman who desire to CREATE...with love. Naive of me? It would certainly appear so in this "modern" age. Give rapper "L'il Kim" a listen and you'll have a foretaste of what's to come.
ho1ogram
21-03-2007, 02:52 PM
Sex is for reproducing NOT hippy drug gangbangs.
What about for fun? :)
intruder
21-03-2007, 02:54 PM
Lyrics to Lil' Kim Queen Bitch
If peter piper pecked em, I betcha biggie bust em
He probably tried to fuck him, I told him not to trust him
Lyrically, I dust em, off like Pledge
Hit hard like sledge-hammers, bitch with that platinum grammer
I am a diamond cluster hustler
Queen bitch, supreme bitch
Kill a nigga for my nigga by any means bitch
Murder scene bitch
Clean bitch, disease free bitch
Check it, I write a rhyme, melt in your mouth like M&M's
Roll with the M.A.F.I.A. remember them?
Tell em when I used to mess with gentlemen
Straight up aposttles, now strictly niggaz that jostle
Kill a nigga for the figure, how you figure?
Your cheddar would be better, Beretta inside of Beretta
nobody do it better
Bet I wet cha like hurricanes and typhoons
Got buffoons eatin my pussy while I watch cartoons
Seat the loon, this rap Pam Grier's here
Baby drinkers beware, mostly Dolce wear
Frank kill niggaz lives for one point five
While you struggle and strive we pick which Benz to drive
The M.A.F.I.A. you wanna be em
Most of y'all niggaz can't eat without per diem
I'm rich, I'ma stay that bitch
Roll with niggaz that be thuggin, buggin
In the tunnel in Eso's
Sippin espresso, Cappuchino wit Nino
On a mission for the lucci creno
I used to wear Moscino, but every bitch got it
Now I rock colorful minks because my pockets stay knotted
C-note after C-note, Frank Bo hold fifteen plus the caterer
you think you greater, uh
(You niggaz got some audacity
You sold a million now you half of me
Get off my dick, kick it bitch)
Check my pitch, or send it persona
And I'll still stick your moms for her stocks and bonds
I got that bomb ass cock, a good ass shot
With hardcore flows to keep a nigga dick rock
Sippin Ziffendales, up in Chippendales
Shop in Bloomingdales for Prada bags
Female Don Dada has no broblems spittin cream with my team
Shit's straight like nine fifteen, y'nahmean?
Cruise the diamond district with my biscuit
Flossin my rolex rich
Shit, I'm rich, I'ma stay that bitch
__________________________________________________ _______________
awwww, lil honey shops in Bloomingdales for Prada bags. She thinks shes on the "cutting edge"...yet she obviously has NO clue what's going on as the illuminati have her exactly where they want her.
intruder
21-03-2007, 03:04 PM
Lyrics to Lil' Kim How Many Licks?
f5c
[Sisqo]
Hold up
So what you're saying is, oh
(Niggaz got me pissed like Lil' Kim)
You want to get freaky again, aight
A-ooh-ah-ooh
Oh, oh, oh, oh
[Lil' Kim]
I've been a lot of places, seen a lot of faces
Ah hell I even fuck with different races
A white dude - his name was John
He had a Queen Bee Rules tattoo on his arm, uh
He asked me if I'd be his date for the prom
and he'd buy me a horse, a Porsche and a farm
Dan my nigga from Down South
Used to like me to spank him and cum in his mouth
And Tony he was Italian (Uh-huh)
And he didn't give a fuck (Uh-huh)
That's what I liked about him
He ate my pussy from dark till the mornin
Called his girl up and told her we was bonin
Puerto Rican papi, used to be a Deacon
But now he be sucking me off on the weekend
And this black dude I called King Kong
He had a big ass dick and a hurricane tongue
[Sisqo]
So, how many licks does it take till you get to the center of the?
(Cause I've got to know)
How many licks does it take till you get to the center of the?
(Tell me)
How many licks does it take till you get to the center of the?
(Oh, oh)
How many licks does it take till you get to the center of the?
(Oh, oh, oh, oh, oh)
[Lil' Kim]
This verse goes out to my niggaz in jail
Beatin they dicks to the double-X-L; Magazine (uhh)
You like how I look in the aqua green? Get your Vaseline
Roll some weed with some tissue and close your eyes
Then imagine your tongue in between my thighs
{*Moans*} Baby.. ohh.. yes ohh!
Jailer.. open up.. cell, block, eight
{*sexual sounds*}
Alright nigga, that's enough
Stop, look and listen; get back to your position
Kim got your dick hard, startin fights in the yard
Hotter than a Pop Tart fresh out of the toaster
Niggaz do anything for a Lil' Kim poster
Eses, Bloods, Crips, all the thugs
Up North in the hole, they all wanna know
[Lil' Kim]
If you drivin in the street, hold on to your seat
Niggaz, grab your meat while I ride the beat
And if you see a shiny black Lamborghini fly by ya
(Shoom!) That's me the Knight Rider
Dressed in all black with the gat in the lap
Lunatics in the street - gotta keep the heat
Sixty on the bezel, a hundred on the rings
Sittin pretty baby with a Cash Money bling
12 A.M. I'm on the way to club
After three bottles I'll be ready to fuck
Some niggaz even put me on their grocery lists
Right next to the whip cream and box of chocolates
Designer pussy, my shit come in flavors
High-class taste niggaz got to spend paper
Lick it right the first time or you gotta do it over
Like it's rehearsal for a Tootsie commercial
How many licks does it take till you get to the center of the?
(Oh, oh yeah)
How many licks does it take till you get to the center of the?
(Yeah)
How many licks does it take till you get to the center of the?
How many licks does it take till you get to the center of the?
(Oh,
and "religion" has villified sex? hmmmm....
I then have to suggest the aforementioned lyrics DO make for a delightful family sing-along....
I'd rather quote a REAL black artist named Stevie Wonder.
We would not care to wake up to the nightmare
That's becoming real life
But when mislead who knows a person's mind
Can turn as cold as ice
Why do you keep on making us hear your song
Telling us how you are changing right from wrong
'Cause if you really want to hear our views
"You haven't done nothing"!
Yeah
bigus_dickus
21-03-2007, 05:11 PM
in case you are confusing "sex" with "porn".
check this out:
pornography
1857, "description of prostitutes," from Fr. pornographie, from Gk. pornographos "(one) writing of prostitutes," from porne "prostitute," originally "bought, purchased" (with an original notion, probably of "female slave sold for prostitution;" related to pernanai "to sell," from PIE root per- "to traffic in, to sell," cf. L. pretium "price") + graphein "to write." Originally used of classical art and writing; application to modern examples began 1880s. Main modern meaning "salacious writing or pictures" represents a slight shift from the etymology, though classical depictions of prostitution usually had this quality. Pornographer is earliest form of the word, attested from 1850. Pornocracy (1860) is "the dominating influence of harlots," used specifically of the government of Rome during the first half of the 10th century by Theodora and her daughters.
porn (n.)
1962, abbreviation of pornography (q.v.). Porno (adj.) is attested from 1952.
"pornography", or "porn" means nothing more than "whore-o-graphy".
we got male whores and we got female whores.
but, how do you or they distinguish what's appropriate and what's not?
when do you consider yourself to be a prostitute or an adulterer, even within marriage?
marriage has been a means to ensure even by force, that the sins of adultery and prostitution are restrained within a family under religious and government law.
but, people are people, thus most of the time promises are only made to be broken. how can a human being promise to "love always" and to "forever look after", when marriage becomes a way to fulfill their expectations and a cover up for their insecurities?
it is confusing, but it is not. observe the conditions and how many there are. how much is your love conditioned? are your sexual experiences an act of unconditional love and joy, or a duty, a job, a way to get money, status, popularity, or is it a means of control?
even religions have changed their views about this over time. now they don't kill us if we have sex before marriage, thank god! know thyself.
anoninnyc
21-03-2007, 09:03 PM
i think that making sex sinful and dirty goes hand in hand with pornography, sluttifying women etc. sex is a very good thing if you respect yourself and your partner. i am rather old fashioned in that i actually believe in marriage and a monogomous relationship. but religion has played a great role in making us ashamed of our bodies and sexual urges. this leads to the extreme of being a complete ho bag. ever hear of the "catholic school girl" reputation? if we did away with the madonna/whore complex then maybe we could find the sacred sexuality that is so powerful in spiritual evolution.
intruder
21-03-2007, 09:41 PM
agreed bigus.. and anon...
Anon? I wasn't "hijacking" (can WE still say that) your thread. And I agree...a "hyper-puritanism", what have you..will probably lead to migraines at the very least....and the seminary at best.
My folks were not hyper-religious, and they allowed me to reach alot of conclusions on my own. THANK GOD!!
anoninnyc
21-03-2007, 10:45 PM
i find lil kim so unsexy, she seems diseased and vulgar to me.
Sexual feelings should be controlled, we are civilised not animals.
i respectfully disagree.
i grew up with so much body shame, that i was frozen, addicted, and alienated.
it was precisely because my sexuality was beat out of me, i believe, that i experienced all of the other symptoms.
Over the next few years, Reich was appointed to the teaching staff of the Psycholoanalytic Institute. He married and had two daughters. During this time he became increasingly convinced of the absolute significance of sexuality in the lives of individuals and society. He believed that social institutions, the family in particular, forced their members to repress natural sexual energy. Consequently, this energy builds up inside these repressed individuals. With no socially acceptable outlet, the build-up becomes intolerable and manifests itself in neuroses.
Reich believed the way this energy was intended to be released was through orgasm. However, he contended that orgasm alone was not sufficient in and of itself to release all the excess energy stored by an individual. A person must be able fully surrender him or herself to the orgasm and have a truly gratifying sexual experience in order for the discharge to be complete. Because sexuality is often shrouded in ignorance and shame, many people are not able to attain this release and, according to Reich, are thereby doomed to ill health and neurotic disturbances.
In order to combat societal pressure and educate the youth, Reich began organizing mental hygiene clinics and sex counseling. He also began joining liberal and socialistic groups at this time, convinced that only an overthrow of authoritarian society could ultimately alleviate the neurotic suffering of its constituents. To this end, in 1930 he left his wife and daughters and traveled to Berlin to join the Communist Party. Three years later, Reich would be expelled from the Party because of his views regarding sexuality.
http://speck.myweb.uga.edu/bio.html
a lot of people on this forum seem to have orgone devices, which reich invented, but there's much, much more to the man and his work.
i know i sound like a broken record about this, but we have GOT to reclaim our own energy fields! sexual chi is the most powerful frequency we have available to us as human beings.
look at the muslim world; millions of single men, with no sexual outlook and too poor for prospect of marriage. it drives them mad, i'm tellin you!
found a gem of an audio, by bob thurman (uma's dad).
if you're attached to your beliefs, don't listen to it.
hint: it's worth the risk just to hear his mad cackle! :D
http://www.mefeedia.com/entry/1188969/
In this podcast, Bob gives his definition of nirvana; he then describes happiness as that which people seek through orgasm and death and ends with the difference between Tantra and Tantric Sex. Recorded in Bhutan, November 2005.