Court Case

[daman]

I would like to have an update. Donation Tour is now more than 6 month old? What's the news???

Anybody???

:confused: :confused: :confused: :eek:

[sweet cheeks]

I would like to have an update. Donation Tour is now more than 6 month old? What's the news???

Anybody???

:confused: :confused: :confused:

Yes! What happened w/ Icke's court case?? :confused:

[the king of the mountain]

I would like to have an update. Donation Tour is now more than 6 month old? What's the news???

Anybody???

:confused:

I fear that may be a question? Is it directed towards David Icke? If so, you may find yourself in bother. :(

[sweet cheeks]

I fear that may be a question? Is it directed towards David Icke? If so, you may find yourself in bother. :(

Well, I'm sure the administrator should have some news?? :confused:

[harry]

i'd also like to hear about this... does anyone know if transripts are available for this type of case? and more importantly will someone read the whole thing and summarise in a couple of paragraphs for me?

[sean]

There is no news yet. As soon as the results are in, everyone will be updated via the main website, and the donation links will be removed. It's still an ongoing issue at the moment.

[harry]

thanks for the quick reply Sean, does that mean the case is still going? or a decision hasnt been made?

[the king of the mountain]

There is no news yet. As soon as the results are in, everyone will be updated via the main website, and the donation links will be removed. It's still an ongoing issue at the moment.


For those interested this is THE issue surrounding Icke. We all remember the Warman case, which was donated to and then disappeared. We then received the updated from Dave himself (2 months ago), that the Adams case was closing, and then it didn't.

So, for all those who have being donating since the end of November 2006, and would like to know exactly where their money is now being spent, what is the current situation regarding this issue? Why are we waiting - still - for an official update? Is it prudent for Icke to still be begging for donations for a court case which looks like it no longer needs money pouring into it. Or is Icke using said donations to fund his personal life/expenses?

All we are asking for is clarification, and your reply to this question above is vague to the point of being insulting. :confused:

[sean]

The ruling hasn't been made, and so the legal funds are still a huge drain on the business. Until there is a ruling, most of the money from books and dvd's is sitting in a neutral bank account that David and the business cannot touch.

Keep checking http://www.davidicke.com/content/view/1772/1772/ - as i believe this has been updated a couple of times.

[phoenix1]

So who is this man who had his material??

That would be really good to know.
Are Alphabet agencies involved in this ??

[the king of the mountain]

The ruling hasn't been made, and so the legal funds are still a huge drain on the business. Until there is a ruling, most of the money from books and dvd's is sitting in a neutral bank account that David and the business cannot touch.

Keep checking http://www.davidicke.com/content/view/1772/1772/ - as i believe this has been updated a couple of times.

There is an alternative to letting his wife beg for yet more cash via emotive pleas on his website: The Job Centre. Or, failing that, what about a UK lecture tour? Or utilising one of his many other skills, in order to bring in further income?

And, as you bring it up, when David wins this case and said monies are awarded back to him, does he then refund these donations? Are said donations underpinning the court case costs, his current business costs or his personal expenses? And, what about the revenue from his business concerns outside of the US? Is this not finding its way into Icke's account, and thus enough to immediately support him through this troubled time?

My questions are not about the money, per se, or about the reasons why people are donating. It's clarifying exactly what they are donating towards, and what is the exact position of the current Icke/Adams case.

[sean]

The monies generated from printing books and doing lecture tours and DVD's go back into doing yet more books, lecture tours and DVD's. David and the team run their own publishing company. It costs money to run. Do you think Brixton Academy was free?

The donations go towards the legal bills.

[the king of the mountain]

The monies generated from printing books and doing lecture tours and DVD's go back into doing yet more books, lecture tours and DVD's. David and the team run their own publishing company. It costs money to run. Do you think Brixton Academy was free?

The donations go towards the legal bills.

If Icke and his wizard business colleagues can't make enough money to underpin both his/their professional lives and Icke's personal situation, then who is to blame? The `fans'? You ask them to continually pay over the odds for what is at best regurgitated material - Icke on infinite repeat - and then you come back for more money because there's none left in the pot when things get tough?

Bad business management, especially if you cannot make a profit from selling out Brixton Academy (and then sell WORLDWIDE a DVD recording of the same lecture). But then again, one big gig per year does not a pension create.

Those giving Icke money have already paid him time and time again for his work and efforts (via buying the multitude of books, videos, dvds, lectures etc.), and they should not be emotionally blackmailed - as they are via that plea for cash - to help him out of this self-created mess. And him resorting to this kind of ill-advised bribery does nothing but add weight to the surmounting evidence that he has indeed "lost the plot".

[pleasuredome]

There is an alternative to letting his wife beg for yet more cash via emotive pleas on his website: The Job Centre. Or, failing that, what about a UK lecture tour? Or utilising one of his many other skills, in order to bring in further income?

And, as you bring it up, when David wins this case and said monies are awarded back to him, does he then refund these donations? Are said donations underpinning the court case costs, his current business costs or his personal expenses? And, what about the revenue from his business concerns outside of the US? Is this not finding its way into Icke's account, and thus enough to immediately support him through this troubled time?

My questions are not about the money, per se, or about the reasons why people are donating. It's clarifying exactly what they are donating towards, and what is the exact position of the current Icke/Adams case.

since when has it been a problem to ask for donations? you imagine that if someone donates to icke then somehow they're being ripped off. people have the ability to use critical thinking, and then choose to either donate or not. if people choose to donate and how much, it's their business. it then become david's business in how he chooses to use that donation once he recieves it, nobody elses, and especially not yours no matter how obsessed you are about it.

if david wins, then so what? whatever donations he's had, if any at all, covers him up until that time.

court judgements can take a long time before they're announced, sometimes months later than the originally intended date.

[sean]

If Icke and his wizard business colleagues can't make enough money to underpin both his/their professional lives and Icke's personal situation, then who is to blame? The `fans'? You ask them to continually pay over the odds for what is at best regurgitated material - Icke on infinite repeat - and then you come back for more money because there's none left in the pot when things get tough?

Bad business management, especially if you cannot make a profit from selling out Brixton Academy (and then sell WORLDWIDE a DVD recording of the same lecture). But then again, one big gig per year does not a pension create.

Those giving Icke money have already paid him time and time again for his work and efforts, and they should not be emotionally blackmailed - as they are via that plea for cash - to help him out of this self-created mess. And him resorting to this kind of ill-advised bribery does nothing but add weight to the surmounting evidence that he has indeed "lost the plot".

David isn't out to make a profit. If we was, he would have gone onto Celebrity Big Brother.

I have an idea: Don't donate.

[thirdwave]

So who is this man who had his material??

That would be really good to know.
Are Alphabet agencies involved in this ??



he had it on the website, cant remember the guys name now,,,,

[the king of the mountain]

David isn't out to make a profit. If we was, he would have gone onto Celebrity Big Brother.

I have an idea: Don't donate.

Did I write that David was doing what he does to make a profit? I am asking exactly how the donations are being fed into the court case. Though surely Dave is "out" to cover his costs? And Icke on Big Brother would have exploded the myth, methinks.

I have not donated, and your reply is an answer worthy of only the greatest of sycophants.

So, you should either answer the questions or not get involved (much like Icke, himself). Why? Because there are clearly issues which are a little too sensitive to be cleared up by a forum Moderator.

This kind of flippancy is why many people are currently so pissed with the Son of the Godhead.

[sean]

I don't understand what you are asking.

Are you asking me where the donations are going? I'll answer that one again - the legal bills. If you want to know the ins and outs of what exactly the legal bills are, i'm afraid i can't answer that one myself.

[the king of the mountain]

since when has it been a problem to ask for donations? you imagine that if someone donates to icke then somehow they're being ripped off. people have the ability to use critical thinking, and then choose to either donate or not. if people choose to donate and how much, it's their business. it then become david's business in how he chooses to use that donation once he recieves it, nobody elses, and especially not yours no matter how obsessed you are about it.

if david wins, then so what? whatever donations he's had, if any at all, covers him up until that time.

court judgements can take a long time before they're announced, sometimes months later than the originally intended date.

All the monies currently being collected for the sale of Icke related material are accumulating in a bank account somewhere. When he wins - as I'm sure he will - all this will be then afforded back to him. So, he clears his debts and then what happens to the sum which is equal to the donations received? Is this refunded back to the individuals who supported him? If I had this assurance I'd send him something this instant. However, we have no such confirmation. And it looks likely that once he has all his money returned (that which is currently impounded), he'll also be sitting on a nice little nest-egg provided by the gulliable faithful.

Not a bad couple of months begging, I'll assume.

My point is not about people donating, it's exactly what they're being asked to donate to, and how said donations are being spent.

[the king of the mountain]

If you want to know the ins and outs of what exactly the legal bills are, i'm afraid i can't answer that one myself.

I would like to know why Icke needs to emotionally blackmail his supporters into sending him money which he is clearly capable of earning himself. Where exactly the money being donated is ending up, and what will happen to the said donations once he wins this case and all his earnings these last 6/7 months (from within the US market) are afforded back to him.

Will they be returned to those who gave?

None of the above are you capable of answering to my satisfaction, so I'd not bother, if I were you.

[sean]

You are throwing about some quite harsh assumptions and accusations based on what seems to be a very limited understanding of running a business.

The legal bills are an extra expense on top of business costs. When the donations are no longer needed, the links will be taken down immediately. However, that doesn't mean that there will be a sudden apearance of extra income to pay everyone back. The cost of running the business remains the same, even when there is a legal case taking place.

These extra costs are enough to sink the business in its current state, therefore we are asking for donations to pay for them. When the court case is over, some much needed money will be put straight back into the business and the mounting bills.

The other option is for David to stop what he's doing, including asking for donations, and go to the job center. I don't think he'll be doing that any time soon.

[the king of the mountain]

The legal bills are an extra expense on top of the business costs. When the donations are no longer needed, the links will be taken down immediately. However, that doesn't mean that there will be a sudden apearance of extra cash to pay everyone back. The cost of running a business remain the same, even when there is a legal case taking place.

And why should the faithful be asked to pay for Icke's continuing business costs? Are these not covered via the sale of books, dvds, lectures, tea-cosy and tea-towel sets?

Are you somewhat confused?

Icke is asking people to donate money to replace earnings which he is accumulating in a bank account shut tight by the US judicial system. When he wins, this will be returned. If said money was rolling in as we type, there would obviously be no need for donations (because Icke's related earnings would be in place to cover said costs, that said, we both know he would still ask people to help him out, as in the Warman case). Therefore, once the case has been won in Icke's favour - and all related earnings handed over - there is no need AND THERE WAS NO NEED for said donations.

Do those who have paid Icke then get a refund?

The answer is no, they don't. You know it, I know it, Icke knows it.

[pleasuredome]

I would like to know why Icke needs to emotionally blackmail his supporters into sending him money which he is clearly capable of earning himself. Where exactly the money being donated is ending up, and what will happen to the said donations once he wins this case and all his earnings these last 6/7 months (from within the US market) are afforded back to him.

Will they be returned to those who gave?

None of the above are you capable of answering to my satisfaction, so I'd not bother, if I were you.

what you have to do is work out the difference between a 'donation' and a 'loan'. people aren't stupid enough not to know that david could well win his court case when they decide to donate.

so tell me, by david asking for donations to help him through the court case, how does it become your business to know how he uses the money?

[harry]

sean, thanks for you answers to my previous questions. i have one more. (anyone can answer if they know) out of interest, which court is hearing the case? im keen to keep up to date with it..

[pleasuredome]

You are throwing about some quite harsh assumptions and accusations based on what seems to be a very limited understanding of running a business.

KOTM has a poor understanding of cash flow.

[sean]

And why should the faithful be asked to pay for Icke's continuing business costs? Are these not covered via the sale of books, dvds, lectures, tea-cosy and tea-towel sets?


They aren't. They are being asked to pay for the extra legal bills, which the business costs cannot cover. We don't sell tea towel sets.


Are you somewhat confused?

...If said money was rolling in as we type, there would obviously be no need for donations (because Icke's related earnings would be in place to cover said costs, that said, we both know he would still ask people to help him out, as in the Warman case).


No, but it seems you may be. The business costs cannot cover the legal costs. Nobody in the business is rich. Nobody is living a luxurious lifestyle. There is hardly any spare income.

So, no, when people donate they aren't going to be getting a refund.

[the king of the mountain]

You are throwing about some quite harsh assumptions and accusations based on what seems to be a very limited understanding of running a business.

The other option is for David to stop what he's doing, including asking for donations, and go to the job center. I don't think he'll be doing that any time soon.

In response to your edits:

I am not accusing anyone of anything. I am asking several questions. Any assumptions are based upon my limited knowledge due to said questions not being answered.

And then you go on to lecture me regarding running a business? While Icke's, of which you are a part, is in such self-confessed turmoil? :D

Is David Icke so different, so special, that he is above doing what all of us must when times get hard? Eating a little humble pie and doing whatever it takes to get us out of the shit we find ourselves in? Answer: No. and if Icke practiced a fraction of what he preached not only would he not be in this sorry situation, he'd know that "leading from the front" is the only way to gain respect. In stating the above you prove that - as a matter of fact - David Icke is far too special to get off his arse and work harder for his much needed pennies, how far easier it is to set up a scheme on his website asking for those to donate to his Paypal account.

Oh, how the mighty do come crashing down.

[the king of the mountain]

KOTM has a poor understanding of cash flow.

Now that is far funnier than you could ever imagine. :D

[pleasuredome]

Now that is far funnier than you could ever imagine. :D

you're obsession with david is funnier than you could ever imagine. :D

[sweet cheeks]

Sean, can you give any tid-bits about the case??

I mean, just exactly what is it that is at stake here??

Is it just a business thing, or is it a case that may have to do with Ickes freedom too'??

I'm just wondering....:D :confused:

[the king of the mountain]

They aren't. They are being asked to pay for the extra legal bills, which the business costs cannot cover. We don't sell tea towel sets.


No, but it seems you may be. The business costs cannot cover the legal costs. Nobody in the business is rich. Nobody is living a luxurious lifestyle. There is hardly any spare income.

So, no, when people donate they aren't going to be getting a refund.

You're obviously having a very hard time grasping this, so let me simplify it for you.

Icke has no money coming in from his US merchandise sales, yet said revenue is being collected in an account ready to be returned to him.

He is still earning money from sales in all other parts of the world (an assumption).

He can just about afford to pay his business costs.

He cannot afford to pay his court costs.

He is asking for donations to pay for said court costs.

He wins.

He has all the money returned AND HIS COURT COSTS ARE PAID FOR BY ROYAL ADAMS.

Is this now sinking in? Or am I, like I feel, completely wasting my time with an idiot?

[the king of the mountain]

you're obsession with david is funnier than you could ever imagine. :D


Indeed, you are correct. :D

[the king of the mountain]

We don't sell tea towel sets.


If you did, maybe Icke would not have to badger his fans for extra cash? You may want to speak to someone about selling these, and I of course relinquish all rights to any `royal'-ties. ;)

[freespark]

i'd also like to hear about this... does anyone know if transripts are available for this type of case? and more importantly will someone read the whole thing and summarise in a couple of paragraphs for me?

Yes i agree with you on this point harry. I would also like to see itemised bills of all transactions and donations made in regards to the fund and sworn statements from any individuals involved in the 'processing', distribution and accounting of said funds.

I'm afraid thats just the way i am. I trust nobody and hence unfortunately i find myself having to find and 'create' deciet and dishonesty where ever i care to look.

Let us always remember, it's not what we learn in life that is important. No, no....it's more important where the information came from. I mean what could we possibly learn from anyone who is less than perfect.

Don't forget that. Always judge the man not the information. We are all flawed anyway so what could we possible learn from other flawed people?

But hey. Maybe that's just me.

:)

[mahabaratara]

Still a pain the the bottom Hillock...

[the king of the mountain]

Still a pain the the bottom Hillock...

I cannot be that which I am not. ;)

[harry]

Yes i agree with you on this point harry. I would also like to see itemised bills of all transactions and donations made in regards to the fund and sworn statements from any individuals involved in the 'processing', distribution and accounting of said funds.

I'm afraid thats just the way i am. I trust nobody and hence unfortunately i find myself having to find and 'create' deciet and dishonesty where ever i care to look.

Let us always remember, it's not what we learn in life that is important. No, no....it's more important where the information came from. I mean what could we possibly learn from anyone who is less than perfect.

Don't forget that. Always judge the man not the information. We are all flawed anyway so what could we possible learn from other flawed people?

But hey. Maybe that's just me.

:)

did you even read what i asked? do i care about Ickes money or even whether or not he is trustworthy? nope

what i stated was that i was interested in reading up on the case, i also asked if anyone knew which court was hearing the case but it seems no one yet knows that.

your inability to decipher a couple of simple sentences is concerning.

[sean]

You're obviously having a very hard time grasping this, so let me simplify it for you.

Icke has no money coming in from his US merchandise sales, yet said revenue is being collected in an account ready to be returned to him.

He is still earning money from sales in all other parts of the world (an assumption).

He can just about afford to pay his business costs.

He cannot afford to pay his court costs.

He is asking for donations to pay for said court costs.

He wins.

He has all the money returned AND HIS COURT COSTS ARE PAID FOR BY ROYAL ADAMS.

Is this now sinking in? Or am I, like I feel, completely wasting my time with an idiot?

He doesn't have the money to pay for the legal bills. He is asking for donations. When the case is over, the business will be able to get back to normal and continue to run.

If you feel the need to post personal insults, then please do it elsewhere.

[phoenix1]

Gripping stuff..fuck KOTM you really are obsessive. Entertaining though, best production you've done in a while.:)

[pleasuredome]

He cannot afford to pay his court costs.

He is asking for donations to pay for said court costs.

He wins.

He has all the money returned AND HIS COURT COSTS ARE PAID FOR BY ROYAL ADAMS.

and if he wins, so fucking what? people who donated did so knowing there was a chance of him winning. ffs.

and i'll ask the question again, what business is it of yours to know what he does with the money?

[freespark]

You're obviously having a very hard time grasping this, so let me simplify it for you.

Icke has no money coming in from his US merchandise sales, yet said revenue is being collected in an account ready to be returned to him.

He is still earning money from sales in all other parts of the world (an assumption).

He can just about afford to pay his business costs.

He cannot afford to pay his court costs.

He is asking for donations to pay for said court costs.

He wins.

He has all the money returned AND HIS COURT COSTS ARE PAID FOR BY ROYAL ADAMS.

Is this now sinking in? Or am I, like I feel, completely wasting my time with an idiot?

Sean i am afraid that this person is very attuned to creating his own realty and therefore chooses this little drama as a way of 'connecting' himself to David Icke. This persons 'David Icke' fantasy is a creation within his own thoughts so i'm afraid only he can choose to change it.

So even bothering to get involved in any information transfer within his 'reality' will probably feel after a time like hitting your head againsed a brick wall. Hence a complete waste of time.

It's funny how one can put so much effort into creating when one hasn't even donated one red penny. Fuck that's funny man. And then you still imagine that David Icke owes you an answer.

Fuck me. That's rich even for you.

:D

[thirdwave]

You are throwing about some quite harsh assumptions and accusations based on what seems to be a very limited understanding of running a business.

The legal bills are an extra expense on top of business costs. When the donations are no longer needed, the links will be taken down immediately. However, that doesn't mean that there will be a sudden apearance of extra income to pay everyone back. The cost of running the business remains the same, even when there is a legal case taking place.

These extra costs are enough to sink the business in its current state, therefore we are asking for donations to pay for them. When the court case is over, some much needed money will be put straight back into the business and the mounting bills.

The other option is for David to stop what he's doing, including asking for donations, and go to the job center. I don't think he'll be doing that any time soon.

King of the mole hill has been on a mission with david icke on the other forum now for around 2 years.... he uses several IDs and has already started a "third wave" ID pretending to be me here...

there is no discussing with him as he does not really have an interest in Icke he will just try his hardest to stir as much stuff as he can...

he is a bit of a bunny boiler.... Just so you know....

http://www.davidickeforum.com/forum/viewtopic.php?t=45129&sid=c86f658c9f94b53f0837d4768d81b8ea

[pleasuredome]

And then you still imagine that David Icke owes you an answer.

welcome to the strange world of kotm's mind.

[freespark]

did you even read what i asked? do i care about Ickes money or even whether or not he is trustworthy? nope

what i stated was that i was interested in reading up on the case, i also asked if anyone knew which court was hearing the case but it seems no one yet knows that.

your inability to decipher a couple of simple sentences is concerning.

Well concern yourself no more. I thought you were being sarcastic. Even so, my comment was not directed at you personally.

Appologies.

[the king of the mountain]

Sean i am afraid that this person is very attuned to creating his own realty and therefore chooses this little drama as a way of 'connecting' himself to David Icke. This persons 'David Icke' fantasy is a creation within his own thoughts so i'm afraid only he can choose to change it.

So even bothering to get involved in any information transfer within his 'reality' will probably feel after a time like hitting your head againsed a brick wall. Hence a complete waste of time.

It's funny how one can put so much effort into creating when one hasn't even donated one red penny. Fuck that's funny man. And then you still imagine that David Icke owes you an answer.

Fuck me. That's rich even for you.

:D

I don't believe that anyone owes me anything, and I equally expect nothing from Icke whatsoever, he's not got the bollocks to come clean. ;)

"I am me, I am a prisoner of my own thoughts."

As for your remarks about One's reality... Focus upon your own, there's nothing going on here which you haven't already commented upon many times before. And understand that I consciously choose to comment upon the "Life and Times of Mr. Icke..." One wants to do this. When One chooses to stop, stop One will.

[kristian lee]

The question I am most keen to know the answer to is how exactly did Icke leave himself open to someone stealing the rights to his work? When someone writes a book, it is copywrited and the royalties are protected by law, unless of course, the author signes the rights over to someone else. I could be wrong, but I really cannot see how this could have happened unless Icke had made a serious error of judgement. I couldn't walk into Deepak Chopra's office, point a gun to his head and demand the rights to his books, so how exactly was Royal Adams able to claim the rights to Icke's books to the point where a legal court case was even necessary?

If as I suspect, this case is as a result of a serious mistake on Icke's part, surely he should practise what he preaches in his books and take responsibiliy for his own life rather than expecting others to do it for him.

[harry]

i must say, the more i read about this the stranger it seems..

does anyone actually know where the case is being heard? anyone? :confused:

[phoenix1]

I gotta say KOTM, this does get stranger, you obviously know a lot more than me about it. Personally I think an account from Icke himself would put the matter straight.

But in in Seans infinite wisdom ...he closed my thread on whether icke should post here. (so I claim the first closed thread prize on this "Open minded Forum" I reckon you'll run for second prize...But in this case ..you deserve first prize.)

Sean...The Thread Closer...Nice to meet you.

I think King of the Mountain, as much as we fall out, deserves an accurate and valid response here.

He may well be right in what he says.

Especially for the donaters, which dont include myself....at the very least, David ought to come clean with a good accounting of the WHOLE STORY.

The fanbase would love to know where the money has been spent. They all know how hard it is to turn a trick too.

Incidentally, why did you close my thread.

Is David hiding behind a bushel or what ??

You say none of you guys live in a luxuriois manner?? On the Isle of Wight ??

That is a pretty exclusive place to have even an address. Is Osbourne House near any of you Guys...

Put some pictures up on here of the properties and decor ..or your not so lavish houses....so we can do a Lloyd Grossman...and decide how humble you all are out there on the island.

Inquiringly

Phoenix1

Later

[sean]

I gotta say KOTM, this does get stranger, you obviously know a lot more than me about it. Personally I think an account from Icke himself would put the matter straight.

But in in Seans infinite wisdom ...he closed my thread on whether icke should post here. (so I claim the first closed thread prize on this "Open minded Forum" I reckon you'll run for second prize...But in this case ..you deserve first prize.)

Sean...The Thread Closer...Nice to meet you.

I think King of the Mountain, as much as we fall out, deserves an accurate and valid response here.

He may well be right in what he says.

Especially for the donaters, which dont include myself....at the very least, David ought to come clean with a good accounting of the WHOLE STORY.

The fanbase would love to know where the money has been spent. They all know how hard it is to turn a trick too.

Incidentally, why did you close my thread.

Is David hiding behind a bushel or what ??

You say none of you guys live in a luxuriois manner?? On the Isle of Wight ??

That is a pretty exclusive place to have even an address. Is Osbourne House near any of you Guys...

Put some pictures up on here of the properties and decor ..or your not so lavish houses....so we can do a Lloyd Grossman...and decide how humble you all are out there on the island.

Inquiringly

Phoenix1

Later

Trust me, you don't want to see the state of my flat in north London. Not a pretty sight.

I closed the thread because David won't be posting here in the immediate future. His decision, not mine. He's really bogged down at the moment with writing his new book.

[phoenix1]

OK..A pic of Daves will maybe suffice Sean, Trust you??I don't know you, trust is earned, and you aint earning much right now.

Some pics please even of your flat in London ??...Real Estate in Ryde wont be cheap, right ??...or anywhere on The Island.

You got to have a little time to establish this of course, I do realise that.

I still say your a fuck for doing in my thread, you could have let us discuss it, at the very least, it probarbly would have fell into "Old News Posts" anyway.

Lighten up and Open up Dude and re-open it.

This aint no game of follow the leader..that game was seen in full swing 1939-1945..and as you know..it still continues.

Do you want to stop it or not ??

Free speech does really help you know...by the way i'm 42 next week, how old are you ??

So as we can get a feel for you ya know ??

Phoenix1

You will know we are no lighweights by now on Harris' Forum

[thirdwave]

I really don't get what the big deal is....

I donated £10 and do not regret it one little bit as I like Davids Work and have got something out of it over the years....

its a Donation, which means it is anyones choice to offer the money, if they do they do if they don't there is no punishment or they will not lose anything... its an option, you either see that the guy is in a bit of bother and would like some financial support and you offer it.... or you do not buy into it and move on.... no harm done, if people like king of the mole hill want to be so righteous, why do they not put as much energy into letting their friends know what there government is trying to do.... as either way you look at it its a bit more severe than asking for donations.

I am very confused as to why so many people are obsessed with finding out about the court case..so on.... he has made the court case public, it has been in the press and it is the first thing you see when you go to his website, there for he is not hiding anything and in due time we will all hear the outcome... till then, we can only speculate and why even speculate? whats the big deal?

everyone needs to make money.... and anyone that so much as puts a price on something is in the same game...sadly money is something we have made a huge requirement, so of course David is looking to make money... as does anyone else.... I never really look at what people are making money wise... i simply listen to what someone has to say, and I have a very good judgment.... with that judgment I take what I want and leave what I don't want...

I would much rather see people like Icke with lots of money and power than fools like Blair and Bush..... ask your self what the world would be like if people like David Icke had all the power? maybe then money would not be as valuable as it is now and people can stop bloody worrying about it.

[harry]

he has made the court case public, it has been in the press

do you have a link? i'm assuming mainstream press and not a conspiracy website or forum. ive tried searching for it and cant seem to locate.

also, i ask again, does anyone know which court is hearing the case?

cheers

[freespark]

I really don't get what the big deal is....

I donated £10 and do not regret it one little bit as I like Davids Work and have got something out of it over the years....

its a Donation, which means it is anyones choice to offer the money, if they do they do if they don't there is no punishment or they will not lose anything... its an option, you either see that the guy is in a bit of bother and would like some financial support and you offer it.... or you do not buy into it and move on.... no harm done, if people like king of the mole hill want to be so righteous, why do they not put as much energy into letting their friends know what there government is trying to do.... as either way you look at it its a bit more severe than asking for donations.

I am very confused as to why so many people are obsessed with finding out about the court case..so on.... he has made the court case public, it has been in the press and it is the first thing you see when you go to his website, there for he is not hiding anything and in due time we will all hear the outcome... till then, we can only speculate and why even speculate? whats the big deal?

everyone needs to make money.... and anyone that so much as puts a price on something is in the same game...sadly money is something we have made a huge requirement, so of course David is looking to make money... as does anyone else.... I never really look at what people are making money wise... i simply listen to what someone has to say, and I have a very good judgment.... with that judgment I take what I want and leave what I don't want...

I would much rather see people like Icke with lots of money and power than fools like Blair and Bush..... ask your self what the world would be like if people like David Icke had all the power? maybe then money would not be as valuable as it is now and people can stop bloody worrying about it.

It's easier and more fun to kick a man in the teeth when he is down. The whining makes me sick. And the one's that whine the loudest are the one's who don't even care for the guy and hence have probably not even bought a book never mind made a donation.

What a joke.

[kristian lee]

It's easier and more fun to kick a man in the teeth when he is down. The whining makes me sick. And the one's that whine the loudest are the one's who don't even care for the guy and hence have probably not even bought a book never mind made a donation.

What a joke.

Well I certainly have an issue David asking for donations, and I have paid for 4 of his books, his 3 DVD set of the 93 Brixton Academy talk, a ticket to see the very same event live, his 4 live webcasts and the live webcast of his Mount Shasta event. I might add that the latter two went tits up, and those of us that wanted a refund were told we could have just that. Despite several email requests for a refund for the £40 I paid for those events, my emails were ignored and my refund was never received.

The simple fact of the matter is that there is no way someone could just walk into David's life and steal the rights to his copyrighted work. The only way this could have happened is if David had left himself open to this by making a serious error of judgement. It does seem a bit rich for David to write numerous books telling us that we should take responsibility for our own lives, then when he makes a gigantic cock up, expecting everyone else to clean up his mess.

[daman]

Sean I dearly thank you for your honest, straight and clear answers. You are doing a great job in moderating the forum. My compliments to you.
If anybody wishes to make personal insults go ahead, but please do not ruin my thread.

ONE big Question remains, WHERE is his court case ?

:confused:


I can understand that he can not publicise nor comment on an ongoing case, but still, people do get suspicous, including me.
In June his dramatic call for people having created HATE-DAVID ICKE Sites, and people wanting to oust him. His statements were underpinned by a very very very bizarre link:

http://recforums.prosoundweb.com/index.php/t/8430/0


that should have given credence to his argument. Well to me it looks very far fetched.

:confused:

A week to 14days prior to Chistmas he was asking for the FINAL PUSH.

[thirdwave]

do you have a link? i'm assuming mainstream press and not a conspiracy website or forum. ive tried searching for it and cant seem to locate.

also, i ask again, does anyone know which court is hearing the case?

cheers


I have not got the links to hand ...he was on this UK show where you have to guess who the person is, and the guy who was explaining it was saying that he was in a court case and stuff.... also he was on radio once and I heard the guy bring it up when he was being introduced... I have also seen it on a internet page.... one of the news paper websites....

Also Davids Website gets a huge amount of hits and it is smack bang on the front page.... the court case is no secret.

he did say that he could not comment to much on the case until it has an outcome..... which is perfectly understandable and common.

[the king of the mountain]

It's easier and more fun to kick a man in the teeth when he is down. The whining makes me sick. And the one's that whine the loudest are the one's who don't even care for the guy and hence have probably not even bought a book never mind made a donation.

What a joke.

Being obsessed I have several hundred copies of ALL Icke related merchandise, they keep me warm while they burn on my victorian stove through these cold winter nights. :D

[freespark]

Being obsessed I have several hundred copies of ALL Icke related merchandise, they keep me warm while they burn on my victorian stove through these cold winter nights. :D

Lol

Don't put all the 'Icke stuff' on at the same time though, lest the bloody thing get out of control and you be running for your life.....

:D

PS:And leave the bust...that will just put it out.

[i_am]

do you have a link? i'm assuming mainstream press and not a conspiracy website or forum. ive tried searching for it and cant seem to locate.

also, i ask again, does anyone know which court is hearing the case?

cheers



A little info and link to Guardian story can be found here

http://jackbloodforum.com/phpBB2/viewtopic.php?p=59474&highlight=&sid=c461e06b107505c7b730788917e7ce5e

[daman]

A little info and link to Guardian story can be found here

http://jackbloodforum.com/phpBB2/viewtopic.php?p=59474&highlight=&sid=c461e06b107505c7b730788917e7ce5e


Wow an EYEWITNESS

So St. Louis it is...

Many thanks for the Link.

Sean any new info ???

[ah42]

A suggestion. King of the mountain, why are you wasting your time posting here, unless you are trying to sow doubt among people who are basically seeking information and a format to discuss it. Maybe you should try putting your energies into something worthwhile. Also, the people donating to the court fund wish to see the information flow continue. Its their choice. Its called freedom. As Icke has pointed out on numerous occasions, the tactic of attacking the messenger to discredit the message is a speciality of the powers that be. You seem to be using it yourself. Should we question your motives?...hmmmm.

[the king of the mountain]

Its called freedom.

No, it's called having little conscience in regard to continually fleecing your "fanbase" with rehashed material and emotional blackmail.

We are all responsible for our own lives, Icke constantly points the finger at others as the source for his pain (Warman/Adams etc) and expects everyone but himself (his flock) to pay for his "mistakes".

All I'm looking for is consistancy, proof that he lives by what he preaches. He doesn't, therefore he is suspect and should be called to account. :D

[freespark]

No, it's called having little conscience in regard to continually fleecing your "fanbase" with rehashed material and emotional blackmail.

We are all responsible for our own lives, Icke constantly points the finger at others as the source for his pain (Warman/Adams etc) and expects everyone but himself (his flock) to pay for his "mistakes".

All I'm looking for is consistancy, proof that he lives by what he preaches. He doesn't, therefore he is suspect and should be called to account. :D

You seem to be the only one who reffers to Icke as if he is some 'messiah' or some preacher standing on the 'mount'. I think maybe you should realise that the man is a fucking HUMAN (you know, made of flesh and bone just like you) you dolt and stop expecting him to live up to your self 'created' fantasy.

Has Mr Icke failed you in some way? Is this the root of your current 'reality'?

Get over it. You might even sleep better at night. If you want a messiah go follow a religion.

[thirdwave]

A suggestion. King of the mountain, why are you wasting your time posting here, unless you are trying to sow doubt among people who are basically seeking information and a format to discuss it.



I am not sure if you have posted on the old David Icke forum now called "The Forum", but if you have not, or to anyone else who has not and comes here for good convo... allow me to give a very good description of King of the mole hill.

This guy has spent the last 2 years slagging off David Icke and creating photoshop images of swords going through his head and all sorts... he has done his utmost to do as you say and steer people clear of interesting info that people can take for them self's..... he is not the only one on there that does it but is the king of the mole hill allright, and is one of the reasons this forum has ended up being here. He has a habit of creating loads and loads of IDs to make his argument stand out more (and already has a good few on this forum now including "third wave" an attempt to be me, with a space in-between my name.).... he is very ignorant and stubborn and gets a big turn on out of being so, He is quite happy to be the complete idiot that he is, so unless you just want to abuse him for a pass time, conversing with him really is a waste of time... I will say it is actualy quite intriguing how stipud he actualy is, ...a bit like a car crash, intriguing but unpleasent to see.

Even when he is "being nice" he is just being a creep, and although his "left brain" is farley well groomed, his "Right Brain" is the equivalent of a hamburger.

just thought I would pass my knowledge onto you.

:cool:

;)

[the king of the mountain]

You seem to be the only one who reffers to Icke as if he is some 'messiah' or some preacher standing on the 'mount'. I think maybe you should realise that the man is a fucking HUMAN (you know, made of flesh and bone just like you) you dolt and stop expecting him to live up to your self 'created' fantasy.

Has Mr Icke failed you in some way? Is this the root of your current 'reality'?

Get over it. You might even sleep better at night. If you want a messiah go follow a religion.

:D Yes, He failed to deliver me from Evil. The Son of the Godhead? More like a failed footballer from Leicester!

Burn the witch! ;)

[the king of the mountain]

I am not sure if you have posted on the old David Icke forum now called "The Forum", but if you have not, or to anyone else who has not and comes here for good convo... allow me to give a very good description of King of the mole hill.

This guy has spent the last 2 years slagging off David Icke and creating photoshop images of swords going through his head and all sorts... he has done his utmost to do as you say and steer people clear of interesting info that people can take for them self's..... he is not the only one on there that does it but is the king of the mole hill allright, and is one of the reasons this forum has ended up being here. He has a habit of creating loads and loads of IDs to make his argument stand out more (and already has a good few on this forum now including "third wave" an attempt to be me, with a space in-between my name.).... he is very ignorant and stubborn and gets a big turn on out of being so, He is quite happy to be the complete idiot that he is, so unless you just want to abuse him for a pass time, conversing with him really is a waste of time... I will say it is actualy quite intriguing how stipud he actualy is, ...a bit like a car crash, intriguing but unpleasent to see.

Even when he is "being nice" he is just being a creep, and although his "left brain" is farley well groomed, his "Right Brain" is the equivalent of a hamburger.

just thought I would pass my knowledge onto you.

:cool:

;)


What's with this two years? It's been just over a year that I have given of myself to all who will listen.

I forgive you for everything else which you write, for a monkey knows no better. :D

[daman]

Please refrain from personal member chit chat...

:mad: :mad: :mad:

You can always start your own thread!


I intended to make a thread about

THE COURT CASE-


;)

[daman]

Treating Others:

This is a place for open and free discussion on a wide range of topics, and we ask that you respect eachother by not deliberately bullying or harassing other members of the forum.

This is not the place for personal attacks, or to deliberately stop the flow of conversation from taking place. No Hijacking of threads. No posting of irrelevent images or text in other people's topics for no reason other than disruption. No personal insults.


Just do me a favor and read the guidelines !!!

[the king of the mountain]

Treating Others:

This is a place for open and free discussion on a wide range of topics, and we ask that you respect eachother by not deliberately bullying or harassing other members of the forum.

This is not the place for personal attacks, or to deliberately stop the flow of conversation from taking place. No Hijacking of threads. No posting of irrelevent images or text in other people's topics for no reason other than disruption. No personal insults.


Just do me a favor and read the guidelines !!!

We did, and then dutifully ignored them. Now, calm yourself dear boy, it's only a forum. :D

[eternal_spirit]

The issue is the Court Case. David is trying to hold copyrights over his own work, books and merchandise.

David has exposed alot of evil, talked and written alot of truth.
If people choose to support the man and his great work so he can continue to produce vast amounts of amazing information more than any other researcher or writer that I know of, then they are doing a great service to humanity.

[limelady]

David Icke has had Internet intelligence creeps following him round for many years now....their job is to get onto internet forums (like this one) under different identities in order to cause chaos and doubt wherever possible. Such people 'stick out like dogs balls', as their modus operandi is ALWAYS the same. Such people are paid to sit on their bum all day and write tripe to distract and cause doubt. KOTM is so obviously one of them, and the fact that he is here in this new forum carrying on as he always has in the old one is very telling. To enter into dialoge with such a person is to allow yourself to be distracted and swayed off track, and this is EXACTLY what this fool is paid to do......get truth seekers off track.

If you really care about the work, learn to intuitively recognise these 'professional muck stirrers' and stop being drawn into their taunting....every time you do, you are helping them earn their pay packet. This guy doesn't give two hoots about David Icke or the work....he is PAID to discredit David's personal integrity... ITS HIS JOB! He is being paid to discredit David, not his work which stands alone as an amazing body of research. The Royal Adams court case was likely another case in point. Adams was probably an undercover stooge (or a mind-controlled dupe) who was paid to become David's friend, then 'set him up'. The idea being to keep him tied up in costly litergation trying to get back the rights to his own work. This is how the the intel world works.....keep your victim distracted and worrying about copyright issues and stressing about finances to pay for it all, then he has less time for researching and writing the stuff that's so threatening to the secret keepers. THIS IS WHAT ITS ALL ABOUT. What David exposes is very damaging to the secret keepers.

I don't want to insult anybody here, but REALLY folks, you need to become a lot more savvy.....things are going to get a lot rougher soon, and if you are already allowing yourselves to be taken in and distracted so easily by such an OBVIOUS goon, just imagine how easily some of the more crafty goons are going to be able to hijack your thinking?.......Well, what more can I say....you've read the books - you know as well as I do what we're all up against. You need to learn how to ignore the blowflies.....swatting them is ineffective, the buzzing just gets worse.....JUST IGNORE THEM....there is real work to do and we can no longer afford the luxury of time these people love to waste.

[jimijams]

If your correct and I suspect you might be then he is certainly a leader in his chosen field and I mean that in a loving way..:D

[societyisthematrix]

David Icke has had Internet intelligence creeps following him round for many years now....their job is to get onto internet forums (like this one) under different identities in order to cause chaos and doubt wherever possible. Such people 'stick out like dogs balls', as their modus operandi is ALWAYS the same. Such people are paid to sit on their bum all day and write tripe to distract and cause doubt. KOTM is so obviously one of them, and the fact that he is here in this new forum carrying on as he always has in the old one is very telling. To enter into dialoge with such a person is to allow yourself to be distracted and swayed off track, and this is EXACTLY what this fool is paid to do......get truth seekers off track.

If you really care about the work, learn to intuitively recognise these 'professional muck stirrers' and stop being drawn into their taunting....every time you do, you are helping them earn their pay packet. This guy doesn't give two hoots about David Icke or the work....he is PAID to discredit David's personal integrity... ITS HIS JOB! He is being paid to discredit David, not his work which stands alone as an amazing body of research. The Royal Adams court case was likely another case in point. Adams was probably an undercover stooge (or a mind-controlled dupe) who was paid to become David's friend, then 'set him up'. The idea being to keep him tied up in costly litergation trying to get back the rights to his own work. This is how the the intel world works.....keep your victim distracted and worrying about copyright issues and stressing about finances to pay for it all, then he has less time for researching and writing the stuff that's so threatening to the secret keepers. THIS IS WHAT ITS ALL ABOUT. What David exposes is very damaging to the secret keepers.

I don't want to insult anybody here, but REALLY folks, you need to become a lot more savvy.....things are going to get a lot rougher soon, and if you are already allowing yourselves to be taken in and distracted so easily by such an OBVIOUS goon, just imagine how easily some of the more crafty goons are going to be able to hijack your thinking?.......Well, what more can I say....you've read the books - you know as well as I do what we're all up against. You need to learn how to ignore the blowflies.....swatting them is ineffective, the buzzing just gets worse.....JUST IGNORE THEM....there is real work to do and we can no longer afford the luxury of time these people love to waste.

Thank you! That was very enlightening. I have some questions, if you don't mind:

1. Who is paying these people? I've heard Icke say that internet disinfo is mainly a military operation. What's your opinion about that?

2. Why do these people do this work with such glee? In my mind's eye, I see an office somewhere with these goons sitting at their computers busily typing away producing their bs. It seems like a really boring job to me, especially if, as you say, "This guy doesn't give two hoots about David Icke or the work." I mean, I know that if I had the job you're describing (I never would do it but just for instance) and I was assigned to say, a country music board (a type of music I can't stand) or even a UFO board (something I'm mildly interested in), I would get bored really quickly.

But, the people on the Icke board seem to just enjoy their work immensely, if they have no interest in the subject matter, how can they enjoy what they're doing so much?

3. If David Icke knows that this is going on then why is he allowing "The Forum" to keep using his name in the site's URL (http://www.davidickeforum.com). If they didn't have David Icke's name in the URL, the whole operation would be over, IMHO.

[the king of the mountain]

David Icke has had Internet intelligence creeps following him round for many years now....their job is to get onto internet forums (like this one) under different identities in order to cause chaos and doubt wherever possible. Such people 'stick out like dogs balls', as their modus operandi is ALWAYS the same. Such people are paid to sit on their bum all day and write tripe to distract and cause doubt. KOTM is so obviously one of them, and the fact that he is here in this new forum carrying on as he always has in the old one is very telling. To enter into dialoge with such a person is to allow yourself to be distracted and swayed off track, and this is EXACTLY what this fool is paid to do......get truth seekers off track.

If you really care about the work, learn to intuitively recognise these 'professional muck stirrers' and stop being drawn into their taunting....every time you do, you are helping them earn their pay packet. This guy doesn't give two hoots about David Icke or the work....he is PAID to discredit David's personal integrity... ITS HIS JOB! He is being paid to discredit David, not his work which stands alone as an amazing body of research. The Royal Adams court case was likely another case in point. Adams was probably an undercover stooge (or a mind-controlled dupe) who was paid to become David's friend, then 'set him up'. The idea being to keep him tied up in costly litergation trying to get back the rights to his own work. This is how the the intel world works.....keep your victim distracted and worrying about copyright issues and stressing about finances to pay for it all, then he has less time for researching and writing the stuff that's so threatening to the secret keepers. THIS IS WHAT ITS ALL ABOUT. What David exposes is very damaging to the secret keepers.

I don't want to insult anybody here, but REALLY folks, you need to become a lot more savvy.....things are going to get a lot rougher soon, and if you are already allowing yourselves to be taken in and distracted so easily by such an OBVIOUS goon, just imagine how easily some of the more crafty goons are going to be able to hijack your thinking?.......Well, what more can I say....you've read the books - you know as well as I do what we're all up against. You need to learn how to ignore the blowflies.....swatting them is ineffective, the buzzing just gets worse.....JUST IGNORE THEM....there is real work to do and we can no longer afford the luxury of time these people love to waste.

Or maybe I'm just someone who has a strong opinion about someone else, and I come on to forum's to express said opinion? Much like you do yours.

Conspiracists = Paranoids.

Life is NOT as Icke would want you to perceive it. It's as you want to perceive it, and if you take on his projection what does that make you? :D

[the king of the mountain]

Thank you! That was very enlightening. I have some questions, if you don't mind:

1. Who is paying these people? I've heard Icke say that internet disinfo is mainly a military operation. What's your opinion about that?

2. Why do these people do this work with such glee? In my mind's eye, I see an office somewhere with these goons sitting at their computers busily typing away producing their bs. It seems like a really boring job to me, especially if, as you say, "This guy doesn't give two hoots about David Icke or the work." I mean, I know that if I had the job you're describing (I never would do it but just for instance) and I was assigned to say, a country music board (a type of music I can't stand) or even a UFO board (something I'm mildly interested in), I would get bored really quickly.

But, the people on the Icke board seem to just enjoy their work immensely, if they have no interest in the subject matter, how can they enjoy what they're doing so much?

3. If David Icke knows that this is going on then why is he allowing "The Forum" to keep using his name in the site's URL (http://www.davidickeforum.com). If they didn't have David Icke's name in the URL, the whole operation would be over, IMHO.


And you really do not have to indulge in what they wrote, you're already paranoid enough! :D

[limelady]

I rest my case ;)

[thirdwave]

David Icke has had Internet intelligence creeps following him round for many years now....their job is to get onto internet forums (like this one) under different identities in order to cause chaos and doubt wherever possible. Such people 'stick out like dogs balls', as their modus operandi is ALWAYS the same. Such people are paid to sit on their bum all day and write tripe to distract and cause doubt. KOTM is so obviously one of them, and the fact that he is here in this new forum carrying on as he always has in the old one is very telling. To enter into dialoge with such a person is to allow yourself to be distracted and swayed off track, and this is EXACTLY what this fool is paid to do......get truth seekers off track.

If you really care about the work, learn to intuitively recognise these 'professional muck stirrers' and stop being drawn into their taunting....every time you do, you are helping them earn their pay packet. This guy doesn't give two hoots about David Icke or the work....he is PAID to discredit David's personal integrity... ITS HIS JOB! He is being paid to discredit David, not his work which stands alone as an amazing body of research. The Royal Adams court case was likely another case in point. Adams was probably an undercover stooge (or a mind-controlled dupe) who was paid to become David's friend, then 'set him up'. The idea being to keep him tied up in costly litergation trying to get back the rights to his own work. This is how the the intel world works.....keep your victim distracted and worrying about copyright issues and stressing about finances to pay for it all, then he has less time for researching and writing the stuff that's so threatening to the secret keepers. THIS IS WHAT ITS ALL ABOUT. What David exposes is very damaging to the secret keepers.

I don't want to insult anybody here, but REALLY folks, you need to become a lot more savvy.....things are going to get a lot rougher soon, and if you are already allowing yourselves to be taken in and distracted so easily by such an OBVIOUS goon, just imagine how easily some of the more crafty goons are going to be able to hijack your thinking?.......Well, what more can I say....you've read the books - you know as well as I do what we're all up against. You need to learn how to ignore the blowflies.....swatting them is ineffective, the buzzing just gets worse.....JUST IGNORE THEM....there is real work to do and we can no longer afford the luxury of time these people love to waste.


Thanks for the post, good to know some are still alive.

to be honest the amount of people who buy all the crap I have got to the point where I think they deserve to be bitter and confused about it all.... its like trying to get through a brick wall..

King of the mole hill is with out a doubt a shill, professional or fear based Im not sure but he is, and his obsessive posting is credit to how man kind is growing up and making these people get more and more hot around the collar.

[societyisthematrix]

I rest my case ;)

limelady, I have some questions, if you don't mind:

1. Who is paying these people? I've heard Icke say that internet disinfo is mainly a military operation. What's your opinion about that?

2. Why do these people do this work with such glee? In my mind's eye, I see an office somewhere with these goons sitting at their computers busily typing away producing their bs. It seems like a really boring job to me, especially if, as you say, "This guy doesn't give two hoots about David Icke or the work." I mean, I know that if I had the job you're describing (I never would do it but just for instance) and I was assigned to say, a country music board (a type of music I can't stand) or even a UFO board (something I'm mildly interested in), I would get bored really quickly.

But, the people on the Icke board seem to just enjoy their work immensely, if they have no interest in the subject matter, how can they enjoy what they're doing so much?

3. If David Icke knows that this is going on then why is he allowing "The Forum" to keep using his name in the site's URL (http://www.davidickeforum.com). If they didn't have David Icke's name in the URL, the whole operation would be over, IMHO.

[thirdwave]

Or maybe I'm just someone who has a strong opinion about someone else, and I come on to forum's to express said opinion? Much like you do yours.

Conspiracists = Paranoids.

Life is NOT as Icke would want you to perceive it. It's as you want to perceive it, and if you take on his projection what does that make you? :D


LOL

you like to shout mate.... its not how loud the amp is, it show sweet the chords are, and you are hitting some stinkers!

You do not express your opinion like you have said, you obsessively force it into the forum and obsessively ridicule anyone who disagrees with you and you have done this for well over a year now on the other forum...

which for me leaves 3 conclusions.

1, you are working full time to destroy and ridicule these kind of forums

2, you are a compleat and utter fool that has magor issues with this whole subject.

3, you are petrified and so full of fear, you are obsessed with changing other peoples view on reality to create a comfort zone for your self...much like an addiction.

then again even if you are a pro you are still an addict and a slave to your fear and lack of truth, created by the very thing you serve

any of these 3 is enough for me to see you are a compleat first class nob.

and if you really think people don't know what your up to then you are an even bigger nob than I already think.

this has nothing to do with paranoia, it is simply putting the pieces together and using common sence.

what are your plans for your next life time? ... by the looks of things your running in red and are gona have lots of pay back :(

[jimijams]

LOL
you like to shout mate.... its not how loud the amp is, it show sweet the chords are, and you are hitting some stinkers!
Love it!:D

[sean]

This thread has degenerated into personal attacks and insults, and as a result is being closed.